8 SITUATIONS NOT TO USE DIFF LOCKERS
2023 ж. 29 Қыр.
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8 SITUATIONS NOT TO USE DIFF LOCKERS, when to use and when NOT to use Diff lockers
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Great video! Do more with air lockers, e lockers, and auto lockers. Keep up the good work.
Wanted to let you know that between you and Robert Pepper you've literally saved my life with your information on winching and safety. All your other content has made me a better more well rounded off roader and I truly appreciate you and your content. Thank you
one other thing to keep in mind in an open diff, if one tire is stuck and the other is free spinning, the free spinning tire can spin up to 2x faster than it would in a normal situation vs what ur speedo reports cause the way open diff works. if that spinning tire suddenly catches, thats more shock load than you might expect.
That classic 'look' from Ronny on the Flinders, love it. Your teaching videos are awesome, the explanations with visuals plus years of experience make it a 4x4 educational blast.
So the ultimate solution is to keep all lockers on all the time and negotiate every turn via 4 wheel drifting...
Excellent explanation and synopsis. Thank you for posting.
Very informative, thank you! My vehicle has a rear locker and I havent had to use it yet, but this really helped me understand that there is definitely a wrong and right place to use it. Cheers
Very informative and helpful! Thanks.
Thank you for the great video. Appreciate sharing a video with tips for 4x4 vehicles that do not have lockers and everything is manual, like for old land cruisers . Many thanks.
Great video! Tend to not use the rear locker or think of it as a resource tool but got me out of trouble once recently on a sandy bumpy hill that tyre pressure and momentum didn’t help. Rear locker on, climbed the hill like a breeze.
Very informative. Looking at how "brutal" electronic traction controlsystems in modern awd vechicles act, i always thought that that shockloads and stresses the driveline even more than when both wheels are locked together. (There's more seemingly sudden "stops" of a fast turning wheel, loading the stress via the diff onto the other one)
Great information to help others that are new to the 4WD Scene!! Even I had trouble explaining when and when not to use and this helps a lot!! I would also like to see a deep dive video of different locker types against each other
use lockers all the time. but not with 10,000 revs as ronny did.. best lockers are ones you dont fk with.. like detroit, or lunchbox.. e lockers & air, brake, as they have dangling parts & subject to heat.. cant beat yank sht.. if you have to turn your locker off to turn,,you got the wrong 4x4.. great information,,heres some,, join a registered club,,with trainers..
@@harrywalker968 clearly you don't know what you are talking about. A Detroit Locker is really just a Limited Slip type Differential that Mechanically locks under the right conditions if lucky. A lunch box locker is simply a cheap box that barely puts pressure on the axles. Both an E-Locker and Air Locker have a simple mechanism that will engage when either a Coil is Energized or air pressure is applied. Can these fail? To an extent yes, but usually it's the simple stuff that is able to be replaced. Also if you feel that you have a problem by having to turn a locker off to turn then you don't understand how the drivetrains operate on vehicles.
Outstanding coverage of the matter.
Yes would love to see a deep dive on diff locker types. Keep up the great work!
Great video. Well put together.
Great video, with good tips! Greetings from Germany! I drive an 80 Series Land Cruiser in forestry and hard offroad and will remember when to use which locker 👍
Been waiting for a video about this, thankyou!
Mate, I love your videos even though I don't do four-wheel driving and don't own a 4wheeler but one day I will! You seem like a real gentleman and a genuine man. Thanks and keep'em coming!
Top vid mate. A long time ago I put an auto locca in the front diff of my 2002 hilux. Wasn't much info about any locca back then. I figured I had LSD in the back and the ifs was limited travel. Still does me good with limited height and articulation also I didn't have as much weight as what every one is carrying now
great video mate. id like to put lockers on my 2014 sr5 but dont know which is best to use.
Great informative video. Thanks
I didn’t think there was much more I could learn on this topic but I stand corrected. Thank you!
Brilliant content as always!
definitely do the deep dive on the types of lockers :)
Would love to see a more in depth video on lockers. I have heard that if you have a Patrol, go front because their rear LSD is so good. If you have a Cruiser, go rear. I have a 105 so I get could flex out of the front. Things like this I’d be really keen to know more about.
front locker first,,it pulls you thru, rears get bogged, try pushing then pulling something.. lockers,,detroit or lunchbox in the front, if,,, you have hubs..
You answer all my questions. Thanks and Greetings from Germany
Yes please mate, I would love to work out what would best suit my needs regarding lockers, and having the differences and pros/cons explained like you did with the campers. I enjoy your videos and look forward to more mate. Keep up the good work. Stay off road
Thanks Ronny! This was a very very good and education episode.
A great video, Ronny! Lots of useful information, do's and don't of using diff lock. Nicely presented. I have a question: what if we don't have manual control or don't have diff locks in the vehicle. E.g. Suzuki Jimny 4x4 setup, will this be possible for you to make a quick 3-5 minutes video on do's and don't or how to efficiently use Jimny 4x4 without breaking anything. I don't have the luxury to have these trucks but I drive Jimny. One quick video will help me or many others a lot. Thanks again mate ❤
Great stuff - thanks!
Fantastic video, would love to hear the difference in the types of lockers. Looking at getting a rear locker in my 08 200 series
kzhead.info/sun/ZNKSitNlZGmOm2w/bejne.html
A good over view of different types of lockers. I have an E locker in the rear and auto locker in the front.
Good video. Thanks for sharing it clear and simple. All makes sense and could save a lot of drama. Hard pill to swallow eventually if you’re not wanting to go with this advice Keep it up, good job 👍
This was great, Ronny. What do you think about adding a rear air locker to a rwd vehicle? Worth it? I hear a lot of poeple say a 2wd vehicle with a rear locker will go 98% of the places a 4wd will go, but for me, it's about getting out of sticky situations (muddy mountain roads and sandy beaches).
I have installed an e locker in my Toyota slwb 2wd campervan. It's been a life saver, keeping me from bogging when off the hard surfaces. It's not infallible though and i also carry a winch which i can fit front or rear to get me out of bad bogs. Also chains and mud boards. Who needs 4wd??😂😂
Defending on the locker with 2wd vehicles to do 4wd stuff is Just dangerous. because you can't get out if you stuck unlike when 4wd with rear locker got stuck, there are not enough ways to get enough traction and right weight distribution. lockers are safety device!
Great video. And the talk about differentials and high traction surfaces is another point of data to support the need for the old 2L feature ... it used to be available on some vehicles, and disappeared. On rock surfaces where all 4 wheels aren't needed, 2L would be a godsend.
They need to bring back 2L great for reversing trailers up steep driveways
Totally awesome Mate! I learned a lot! Did not really know the finer points of lockers. We have front and rear on our Gladiator Ecodiesel.
Yes Ronny i would love to see a deep dive into all the different types of Lockers & their pros & cons, thanks.
I think you mean how all the different operating mechanism work? Air pressure vs vacuum vs electric vs mechanical? Or do you mean front vs rear pros and cons?
Air pressure vs vacuum vs electric vs mechanical for Reliability, durability, bank for buck etc. @@trickster8635
Another great video legend. Please do a deep dive into all the diffrent types of diff lockers.
already been done - do a search
What a great video. So many things to learn in 10 minutes. One option for a front differential is a Torsen dif. I would be very interested to have your opinion on this.
Great information, please do that follow up video. Also when you do that one could you cover the use of the Prado rear and centre locker setups that some of the models come with
I have ARB lockers front and rear on my 80 landcruiser diesel I’ve owned for 20+ years since I was a teenager when I bought it. I’ve broken three rear diff centres (once was the air locker bolts) and one front. But that’s in Victorian high country. I also have a PTO winch running from gearbox. Good set up. But you’re right, and one thing I know for sure, never reverse up hill with a locked front diff. The rest of the time, I hardly ever get stuck. Especially when I put front and rear chains on in snow season and lock both diffs. Cool info. Many people are totally ignorant and wonder why they always get stuck and cannot follow my path 😅
Thanks Ronny! You da man.
Deep dive yes please thank you. 🤠
Can I get more detail on not using on side slope. I don’t have lockers ATM but are seriously considering them (or upgrading to a vehicle with them). 90% of my 4WDing is on the beach. Sometimes when getting off the top line gravity pulls you down to the water line. What's the best option?
Thanks Ronny, I wasn't sure if I should watch as I don't have lockers yet but super helpful. You explain things very well.
great vid ronny, these videos are ur best
Nice Ronny Great video Thanks heaps Cheers
Nice one Ronny as you know you do learn from mistakes experiences and you have plenty would, love to here more about the different type of lockers good and bad points cheers man 👍
Top notch splainin' Ronny.
Great video Ronny. Some vnew vehicles HiLux - downhill desscent engaged, do not engage rear locker, that will turn DAC off.
A comparison and rating of the different types of lockers would be great Ronny. Cheers
already done - do a search.
Ronny is like the Dr Karl of 4WD
Cool informative video which leads to a lot of questions. I've just bought but not yet installed an auto lokka for the front diff in my car. How does this compare with what you've just said in this video
Useful video, Ronny. Love the new Akubra :)
Great information! I always something new with your videos. Keep up the great work and it would be nice to see a video on the different type of lockers! Still trying to figure out what would be my best option.
Going to boil down to what is available for your particular vehicle.
Great vids again! Lake Havasu 🌞 Az USA
Thanks for the video, it's very informative. I have a question however; don't some cars engage the rear locker automatically even in 4H? I have a 2011 Ranger (used in a farm) and the moment I engage 4H I get the rear locker sign light up. If I want to disengage it, I have to go to two wheel drive and press the locker button which you cannot do in 4H or 4L (at least according the icon on the dash). Am I doing something wrong? Thanks in advance for any help!
Please do a complete locker comparison.
Excellent video. I’ve heard lots of people say to never put a front locker on an IFS vehicle because it will break a CV. I think the problem is that they are using them at incorrect times. I’d love to hear your thoughts on air versus E lockers.
Maybe not the perfect example, but: Audi did put self locking diffs in their quattro cars for years. (torsen diffs front middle and rear) They don't anymore, for cost and weight reasons Audi didn't have problems wiht snapped driveline parts. All of these cars had IFS and IRS, but due to the nature of it, the torsen probably only really "locked up" on snow. So when the traction wasn't sufficient and thus in the right condition for locking a diff.
And a Torsen is not actually a locked centre. It is a torque biasing limited slip centre that still requires some resistance from from the wheel with no traction, ie, it will not carry torque across to the wheel on the ground if the other is in the air. Different animal altogether.@@nirfz
@@trickster8635 i don't think that's the case. As soon as there's too much difference betweeen the wheelspeeds it basically locks. You may want to take a look here: kzhead.info/sun/famig7iygl93ZXk/bejne.html
Could you please explain the advantages and disadvantages of a limited slip differential LCD? I have a Delica L400 fitted with one
Old video but very interesting and informative, thanks!
Good info. I'd like to see you do a diff locker comparo.
very practical scenarios,
Thanks. Learned a lot!
Yet again great infos and I learned one or two things. Thumbs up! Concerning a Locker Video, what about Torsen Diffs? Are they to be seen as locked diffs e.g. at higher speeds/momentum? What downsides do they bring compared to a manual locker?
Torsen is not a locker. Will fail in high horsepower applications.
Excellent video. I have rear Harrop E locker in the 07 Prado 120 V6 and its handy on the beach/sand tracks. Thought about adding one to the front diff as well but have not made my mind up yet
It's great to see Wayne back in the videos ........
Great animations and explanations! Best I've seen explaining what a differential does and how it operates in 'open mode'. (grasshopper speak) Also what lockers do and how they 'level up' the 'mod'. (again) 100% agree. Tho will say that full-time rigs (80series for example) and 'part-time' or AWD rigs can be operated differently still. That'd be a good video if you could wrastle up the rigs to demo for it.
My Grenadier has the factory front and rear lockers, which I’ve never had before. Turning left off a beach on the run up to the big “escape dune”, I discovered the effect the front diff lock has on steering.
Yes indeed correct.
Those info are great thank you
Enjoyed that video. What about centre lockers? Would love to hear/see more on the different types of diffs/lockers.
A centre locker is nothing more than connecting front and rear drive together, which is exactly what happens in a part-time 4x4 when the stubby lever is pulled. Same difference.
Awesome video and explanation, thanks!
how to break your driveline: use rear locker for drifting on the supermarket parking. cool video, always great to learn.
Good info. Hv always wonder when is bad to use lockers. Would love your analysis on auto lokkas. Have been using one in the front of an ifs for years due to better affordability.
Yes, cheap but will cost you in the long run due to = increased load on all the other front drive components when you don't want it or need it.
Thanks for the interesting video! Would you put the diff in, when crossing deep rivers with round loose gravel?
I would love to see a deep dive different kinds of locker video I have a 2005 regular cab 6foot bed 4x4 5 speed manual with open diffs right now I built up the 2.7l inline 4 on and it has high and low I'm putting a 3.5 in lift kit on it stage 10 icon I was looking at ether arb air lockers or a set of electric lookers front and back this is a dally driver and a weekend Warrior not a camping rig I live 45 miles from my offroad area no need for camping gear yet what do you think I'm an low to mind level offroader and I tend to no do stuff that will damage body panels it's manly hard dirt and gravel hills with dome sall sand spots over here both e lockers and air lockers cost about the same to install I already own a atb dual airpump in a carry case I can hard install under my set easy right now I just use it to fill my tires up before I head home
Great video man! I'd like to see others about the different types 👍🏻
Thank you for this video.
Good info in ther! You should do a vid on lockers and their differences. You should check out the vids of AllOffroad and have a chat with Stefan cos he knows a lot about Harrop elockers and what they can and cant do!
Would love a deep dive into the auto lockers
Hello mate! Here from the states. I wanted to comment on using the rear lockers in high speed. I currently own a ford Bronco with 35” tires and front and rear lockers. My Bronco allows me to travel at very high speeds in Baja mode. Great video!
A deep dive on lockers from you would be awesome, given the detail & no BS approach you do in your vids. I personally run an auto locker front & factory vacuum locker on the rear & have done for many years with no issues, however I mainly run on clay/ mud up in Northern Rivers NSW. It would be very interesting how they all stack up against each other...........😃👍
in the u.s. there locked front rear allways, off road.. watch trailmater. & any other vids from u.s.. as they have been doing it for 300 yrs, as to our 3 yrs.. most all items 4x4 come from u.s. stikered made in au..or copies..
What’s your opinion on automatic front lokkas?
I always manage to learn something new from you, thanks! Lockers comparison video please, if possible including cable lockers! Majority opinion seems to favor air lockers (like arb) over e-lockers (like harrop), I hear that they engage more quickly, are (maybe?) stronger, don't disengage on rollback, etc. But I really, really dislike the idea of airlines running the length of my chassis. So many places to spring a leak! Diagnosing n repair would terrible on the trail, seems to me! And I have a nice portable air compressor that I like to throw in the back for 4x4ing, n take out the rest of the time when using my kzj78 as my daily driver. So I lean towards elocker, since mine does not have factory locker. But i live in Africa and I love simplicity! What about a cable locker? I see virtually NO reviews, bug 8m the kinda of guy would is open to that option, if they are any good - simplicity is a beautiful.thing!
And, I can only afford one. I don't generally do serious uphill rock crawllng, but do come across deeper water crossing and sand/mud and traction issues, with some wheel lifts. Am thinking if only one, go for the rear?
only lockers to buy, are detroit, or lunchbox.. detroit lock up under pressure, or there then like an lsd normally.. lunch box, good for front diff, if you have hubs.. e lockers, air, lockers, have cables hanging in the air to get ripped off.. & they fail internally..
What do you think of Spartan lockers been thinking about getting one for the rear got d21
I would like to see the deep dive on elocker vs airlocker 🙏
thanks for a good informative vid, would have loved it if you had talked a little about LSD's and how they work in similer situations and thow you can tighten or loosen them depending on the type of offroading you do.
Great job on this video!
Please do a Video on Lockers v Traction Control
Best tutorial info I’ve found on lockers!
of course we want video on types of lockers :)
Great content! I like the visuals.
Great Video
Any advice on lokka locker (auto locker) in the front diff?
What do you think about torsen lockers? I was thinking it might be better for avoiding breakage on a weak front end because you wont have so much free spin.
Limited availability for only a few vehicles. Are not a true locker. Will not handle high horsepower applications.
Very well prepared that video. thx :)
I think this will be helpful! Thank you.
One thing I like about Land Rover traction control on my old solid axle disco is that instead of just having open or Locker I can have open, TC and then a locker when needed . I don't like just having open or Locker because the TC is very very fantastic and makes using a locker less often
This problems occour when we use automatic mechanic Lockers (Kaiser type) or Limited Displacement Slip (LDS) in both Axles??? Excellent Video👏👏👏!!!
This was a great video. I would really like to learn the differences between say ARB and my factory Nissan rear E-Locker. I am absorbing as much info as I can so I can better tour the USA. Cheers!