I used a split ortho keyboard for 30 days... and it was rough. Is using a strange ergonomic keyboard worth it - or is a normal keyboard better? Let's find out. We used the RGBKB Sol 3.
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“It kinda felt like legos, but for adults” *So IKEA?*
*YES*
Probably.......
Oh yeah.
as a swede i can completely relate
@@pizzasampletext8271 As a Finn. I hate buildable IKEA products like nothing else.
my main motivation for wanting to try out splits is to put each one on an armrest and pretend i'm lelouch from code geass
My favorite comment right here
Yeah, my dream is to achieve optimum comfort with just my fingers moving, except for mouse, but I would like a hybrid mouse pen.
Watashiwa zero da!!
@@evelynfarfellwooosh1219 There are keyboards with built-in trackball. You can even build a custom one with a tiny ball replacing a key like the Pimoroni trackball. For example, the Kyria keyboard can have scroll-wheels (rotary encoders) and a tiny trackball built-in.
Thats actually why I bought my ergodox. The ergodox connects the two halves with an audio style cable (standard). I have yet to build this chair since I’m moving out soon and need to come up with armrest extensions
130 wpm 99% accuracy that's actually pretty impressive
I once got 156 with 100% accuracy when my average was 121, it was out if the blue.
I once got 27 at 100%
True. I for once got 125wpm (100%) but it's once for my entire 40 years keyboarding. Normally I'm at like 60 - 80 wpm.
I remember getting 197 at 100% and it was one of the best achievements of my life. My avg is around 140-150 btw.
I type faster on iPad lol. I remember the spots on ipad and it is the same as the computer but I’m not as comfortable with computer :/
Weirdly, when I switched to a split ergo keyboard I also switched to a completely new layout, but that meant that when I went back to a flat QWERTY board, I wasn't mistyping. I think my hands treated them as two completely separate input devices.
YeH
Same. I type almost exclusively on a 40% ortho keyboard in Colemak mod dh and whenever I go to my laptop it's not that bad typing. Albeit my typing speed and efficiency is much better on the 40% layout.
“It kinda felt like legos, but for adults” 18+ lego sets:😔
Haha I myself have built 3+ lego sets in the past few months
what kind of legos for adults? ah yes this adult's legos, but halal
Lmao I was thinking the exact same thing. Though "18+ LEGO sets" kind of sounds like R-Rated LEGO sets 🤣
I had a couple thousand dollars worth of Legos. Enough to build a whole city. But my parents kinda dragged me into selling them for $300 to a family friend as a teenager. It's so sad.
@@deViant14 same but it was kinda my fault because I lost a lot of the instructions and had no idea what the sets were 😔
“It kinda felt like Lego,but for adults.” So Lego?
( Legos for big ear olds)
@@imnot_aj no I didn’t
@@imnot_aj okay and??
@@imnot_aj it's a comment-
@@maliza1691 it’s called being unoriginal you buffoon
I've been using a split keyboard (Kinesis Freestyle 2) and Colemak for almost 10 years. Some comments: 1. Monitor. You need to place your monitor higher. Your neck and shoulder pain is not caused by the keyboard but by your hunched-over position. 2. Chair armrests. Having proper positioning of your elbows greatly helps/hurts your typing style. Having armrests that have width and height adjustments is great. 3. Glasses. If you work that many hours on the computer, you might want to consider fixed-focal-length, blue-light reducing, anti-glare, high-index, titanium-framed, lightweight glasses. In short, glasses normally are made for reading (12" away) or driving (30+ feet). However, having custom computer glasses for 3 ft. distance is a great benefit for computer use. 4. R&R. Your needs need relaxation. I sugest a minimum of 10 min. every 2 hrs. However, be aware that this 10 min. relaxation is for your eyes, not your brain. You need to spend that 10 min. focusing on something in the far distance. Just closing your eyes for 10 min. DOES NOT RELAX your eye muscles.
The main thing I don't like about the Freestyle 2 is that the '6' key is on the left hand. The '6' belongs on the right hand. It's done that way because it makes the split between the two halves look nicer. I did discover recently that the Kinesis Ascent lets me mount the split segments vertically, but some of the keys are in just a slightly different position than a normal keyboard.
The Kinesis Freestyle 2 is not mechanical, is it? I'm trying to find a ergo mechanical keyboard.. seems to be the perfect combination
I think the biggest mistake people make when moving to an ergonomic layout is too not move the location of the most commonly used key, ie backspace. Put it under your thumb, possibly next to space. Space is under your thumb because you use it a lot, moving to an ergonomic layout you will make mistakes so put backspace next to space and you won't have to worry about losing your home row. Ctl, alt, space, back space, enter are all under my thumbs on my Ergodox layout.
I've got a backspace key under the spacebar on my split keeb, and I can hit both with my left thumb. I still fin myself reaching up to the original backspace with my right-little finger half the time though, and I've had my split board for over a year now
When I designed my own split-ortholinear keyboard, the backspace key was placed under my right thumb right next to the Enter key - it gets a lot of use. To be fair, it got a lot of use on the standard keyboard when it was buried up at the top right of the board, it's just that now it's quicker and easier to reach...
or just use a regular keyboard correctly lol
@@venturoes1912 and suffer from pain/RSI issues? No thanks!
@@thechildrenoftherev0 Just keep your hands straight, of course if you bend your wrists 90 degrees its gonna hurt
Perfect. My cat could lay in between the split keyboards instead of on top of the keyboard.
Thanks for the idea
Trust me, Cats will find a way!
Facts
@@Handskemager true
Hahahahah nicee
Everyone: “You should lower your desk so your arms don’t hurt as much.” Me and my chair: *”You raise me up!”*
When im so short that raising my chair does nothing
I heard this comment
@@catrice1296 same
@@catrice1296 i look like a Trex even tho i have a freaking big ass office chair...
I can remember German Jesus.
5:47 Man, this feature with the split keyboards is _not_ without it's perks - I bought my first last year while studying my first year in Uni, and being able to fit my Chinese textbook _in the middle of my keyboard_ really was a useful feature during classes. I am currently back on a traditional keyboard due to durability issues on the split keyb (A Moonlader), but I will most likely be going back to it once that gets solved.
Might as well go all the way and aim for a SP-111
what do you mean by durability issues? I am currently waiting on receiving a moonlander
i have a moonlander too and fully get the durability issues. the key caps themselves tend to break on the part they mount. overall still an amazing keyboard
@@MrJanus19 Agreed. For me what broke was the small plastic hinge that holds the thumb cluster in place. It first developed a crack, and then slowly became loose over time. ZSA were kind enough to send me a whole 2nd right half as a replacement with a better designed hinge on the thumb cluster - apparently it had been enough of an issue for others as well for them to change the design
@@overfall. Apologies to you for not responding on the question - I simply did not notice the notification for your comment. I figure by now you've made a decision one way or the other, but in my comment above to MrJanus you can see what the issue in question was - a broken plastic hinge on the thumb cluster.
I remember when I used to use a razer orb weaver and noticed how my typing changed so vastly from using that off hand half keyboard for years, when it eventually stopped working after like 8 years, it did take me a couple weeks to figure out how to type along with just game normally on a qwerty board. Neat video, honestly might try one of these split boards out.
"a simple sentence" the sentence about cytoplasmic membranes:
What’s not simple about that? I learnt about them in 6th grade
@@stonksagent9040 A simple sentence is exactly the sentence I am typing. A sentence about cytoplasmic membranes is nothing simple. It may be common knowledge, but that does not make it in any way simple.
@@josephc.558 yip
@@josephc.558 okay, thanks Mr. Microwave!
bro she regained most of her typing speed in 5 days while its been 4 months since i switched keyboards and decreased by 20-30 wpm i made so many typing mistakes that its all that my brain remembers 😂
Do be like that tho
Lol i have been typing for years now and my speed is only 43 w/pm (i use only two fingers btw)
@@zacat825 Maybe you should try to learn a different system then xD
@@silberh5672 Yeah but I am to lazy xD
@@zacat825 Oh I can relate to that 😂
The way your describing this is how I would describe switching from controller to mouse and keyboard. It was really really hard to go back. But, I can play both proficiently now even within a single match. I've found that the more custom layouts I try the easier it is to switch between them. My input memory is just far more malleable now. It's a fun and expensive hobby of mine testing strange peripherals at this point.
The best thing you can do for ergonomics, is to ditch QWERTY itself. It's brutal, and it takes a whole month; but the result is definitely more comfortable. I originally started learning Dvorak; but I found that the L and S locations were TERRIBLE for interactive use of POSIX-like shells. Colemak was the layout I ended-up going with, and I've been using it ever since -- for over a decade. I type the same speeds on QWERTY and Colemak, with a similarish error rate (Colemak is slightly better), but my fingers move a lot less overall, and it *is* somewhat noticeably more comfortable after long periods.
I've heard so many times qwerty is inefficient and slows us down. I've never tried other layouts before but honestly I don't doubt it.
It’s not much slower, it’s just a lot more uncomfortable and inefficient.
Yea I actually use a variation of halmak on my moonlander and its great. I was never really that fast before on qwerty only like 45-50 maybe 60. I more focus on making typing as comfortable as possible as I type just normally every day not trying to go blazing fast.
Yeah from what I've heard Dvorak isn't as good as I thought it was. I was recommended Semimak because of being a previous Dvorak user but because I can't download software I was told to go with Workman international 😎 MonkeyType discord server has helpful people in there for choosing a new layout. Don't go with Dvorak though, there's even someone with 5 years or more with it that switched off. Outdated and only based off a few hundred words. The research on it working was mostly conducted by the maker themself TLDR: Don't use Dvorak. I used to love Dvorak though 😔
@@sammy_sand_utubeyt6901 Yeah, my personal opinion: Go with Colemak CAW. That's a further variation of Colemak DH, you can install both with the cool program EPKL on Windows. On other platforms, you need scripts or for mac it's generally harder to use custom layouts. What's best about EPKL is the Extend layer. You should definitely try it.
“You use you’re keyboard a lot... and it could cause pain because of it” Mobile users: *”bonjour”*
I am triggered you used your’re instead of your
The tapel bonjour aswa
سلام عليكم لا ايش
*your keyboard
@@wigglygrass3066 i wonder, do these people do this intentionally or they actually don't know the difference??
"It kinda felt like Legos, but for adults." So, kind of like building a PC then?
Those are adult toys
@@minilamma4879 well yes but no
LEGO is for all ages how dare she!!!
No, because if you put a Lego together wrong you aren't at risk of breaking thousands of dollars worth of equipment.
@@st_orlie 😭😭
I'm suffering after changing my Microsoft sculpt for an Corsair strafe, my WPM was around 90+ but now im able to do only 41. I can imagine using a split keyboard whow frustrating it can be at first. Nice content you have in your channel! Just started discovering about mechanical keyboards.
Just received my first ortho-linear keyboard, an Ergodox. I've been typing on a staggered split keyboard for over 10 years, but trying to type for about 20 minutes on the Ergodox and I am completely lost. I can't imagine I will ever get used to it. Your video gives me hope I can do it, so I will keep trying. Thanks!
I've found that for me stretching for 15 minutes every morning makes a huge difference. I include stretches for shoulders and forearms. I hold each stretch for 1 minute.
Could you list the stretches you do? Just curious
@@BYCARRIE Mostly normal stretches. I try to stretch every major muscle group, but for someone who types all the time there is one stretch that I did find particularly effective for the shoulders and upper back and spine. I will try to describe it and a couple others I found most effective. (Stretch 1) I do this by using a doorway. Left arm / shoulder: While standing close to the corner of the doorway. Hold your left arm out straight in front of you and put your left elbow on the corner of the doorway. Move your right shoulder toward your left elbow to get a good shoulder stretch. While holding that position step forward with your right foot as well to put a gently twist on your spine. Hold for 30 seconds or one minute. I use a youtube interval timer. This is a powerful stretch and it is easy to put too much torque on your shoulder or spine so be careful. The rule I use for myself for stretching is I push it until I feel a tiny bit of pain and either keep it there or back off slightly. There is another way to do this stretch but I'm a guy with wide shoulders and I have quite a bit of muscle. This will work for larger people while some of the other variations won't. Prior to doing this stretch my upper back was so sore I thought I had cancer or something lol. 5 minutes after doing this I felt great! This is what got me into stretching every day. Ok, rambling on... (Stretch 2) Stretching my quads without killing my knees. This is also a very powerful stretch. I use a stairway with a railing on each side and I use these railings so I don't get hurt. Start at the bottom of the stairway...all the way down, not on the first step. Standing position, facing away from the stairs. Grab each railing. Bend one knee, and place your foot on the third stair (most likely the right level, you might want the fourth if you are tall and flexible). Your foot is on the stair, but it is the top of your foot on the stair. Your knee will rest on the first stair. Control your lean with the railings to get a good quad stretch. You are using your knee bend to stretch your quad but you are also pushing your hip forward to stretch your quad. The railings and the stairs give you an effective way to stretch your quads and balance the stretch with the bend of your knee and pushing your hip forward so you do not over tax either the hip or knee. Repeat with other leg. Do not hurt yourself this is a very powerful stretch. Every other stretch I do is pretty normal and you can find anywhere. Order of the stretches I do that works for me: Stretch to open chest, shoulder stretch, open chest again, touch toes, calf stretch, hamstring / glute stretch using stairs, quad stretches on stairs, hip flexors, forearm stretches, and finish with seated stretch for inner thighs. For an IT / office worker, the shoulder stretch I described and all leg stretches help a ton! I try to stretch in the morning and at night. I started out just doing 5 minutes a day and using one of the youtube interval timers. ( just search for "30 second interval timer with 5 second rest" later I switched to "1 minute interval timer with 5 second rest") If you are feeling tight from sitting all day and feeling hopeless I will tell you that even just 5 minutes of stretching a day can literally change your life. Potentially it is a small effort with huge rewards. How I think stretching benefits me....this is my opinion: General improved feeling of well-being. Vastly reduced or eliminated muscle pain and discomfort. Reduces feelings of stress. I also think it improves circulation. Increased ease of mobility. I plan on continuing to stretch my entire life. Other recommendations for office workers if you work at home and can control your environment: Get a good standing desk. Walking treadmill is a nice add-on. Get a good office chair! I used to use the $100 officemax chairs. I changed to a steelcase leap. Game changer. It's interesting how people will pay $600 for a recliner they might use an hour a day but don't want to spend a lot on a chair they use 8, 10, or 12 hours a day. Make this investment in yourself or see if your company will pay for it. C989M keyboard also worked great for me but you have to see what works for you. I hope this helps someone!!
Forgot a couple things :-) Test your blood sugar. I found out mine was really bad, but now I'm controlling with Keto. Keto and bone broth I also believed helped my joints a lot. I found out my blood sugar was high during the height of the pandemic. If you don't want to see a doctor for any reason you can get a meter and test yourself.
@@FatHulkRideEbike Bruh thats like a paragraph i don't wanna read it
@@HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHP0011 lol, I understand.
"Typing at this speed isn't exactly... optimal..." Meanwhile I'm happy when I get consistent 30 wpm with a normal kb
I know the feeling 😉. It's quite easy to improve if you want. First accuracy then speed, because what good is typing if you're not typing the right things. A site like keybr.com can help train both and adjusts to your progress. Spending fifteen minutes a day will already make a good deal of progress.
Well my parents just got me a new keybard. And its super weird to use. Before i had to click on my previous keyboard harder but now i barely have to press any of the keys for the letters to registar.
I got 200 wpm with a normal keyboard, and 120 wpm with a split keyboard
@@Yggdrasil42 yeah, I've been using keybr.com and typeracer to practice. Turns out the average 30 wpm from keybr were just because it picks the hardest combinations (which is great for training obviously!) and on type race I get >70 wpm. I'm actually pretty happy with that and the only way is up!
I get an average of 22 wpm
When you mentioned that one could put a number pad in the middle of the two boards, I totally felt validated! That's exactly what my setup looks like, that I use for work.
I have a number pad on the second layer of my Moonlander
I'd love to try a fully split keyboard like this but my biggest issue is the price point. No matter what keyboard I'm buying I simply can't justify a full $350 keyboard. Even other options are just too much. Look forward to trying this tech in the future if it ever becomes more affordable in a mass market.
After a year's workman's comp injury claim, $350 is cheap to me. I'd do it again to get a keyboard that meets my needs.
Sadly the prebuilt variants will never get cheap since it's such a niche product category. You just have to buy them as kit and solder yourself to get something even remotely affordable and even then you will be paying quite a lot.
Custom split keyboards are like $200 now
What do you mean “legos for kids” legos are for everyone unless your 100+🙂
99+
@@rowbo_7749 no the set says from ages 4-99, so 99 is still for them
@@emiliomanzo3740 ok
Why not 100
There are 16+ Lego sets
She said "Your keyboard looks like this" 😭 oh how I wish you were right Edit: I CAN FINALLY SAY IM YT FAMOUS
Got em
Got em
Got em
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I actually like the satisfaction to seeing a company that influences a building aspect of things where "manufacturering" is implied... I personally find it appealing that someone would build something they bought and have increased sentimental value of their accomplishments. It also shows less amount of laziness while using a keyboard as you design it yourself. :)
Been into keebs for two months or so, and now I am here. I just bought a Sofle RGB, solder kit and what not. This video is great. Sucks I am watching it after I bought everything, but it would've been cool to see before.
Me who would be slow on either keyboard: I don’t have such weaknesses
Same lol
Me too
nice rubric
Everyone gangsta till they lose half the keyboard and have to manage with one...
HASHAHAHAHAH
OMG WHAT LMAO
Use it as a keypad for gaming and all the other keys are macros
Ppl actually use one handed keyboards
You mn his? Im ypin ih h ih i kybo.
DT is really inspiring and so you are with this video. Thanks for sharing you experiment.
Enjoyable content, informative, detailed and great visual to show the exact keys for the hand placement.
Thank you!
“You type on a keyboard 42 hours a week.” My 836 hours on gmod: *No*
rookie numbers
@@onzer52 me or him?
@@boppinn3504 both
@@FryingPanFrijoles i know only 9021 hours is only a year but i just got my pc last year to
Mm i type like 109 hours
As a Linux user, it feels a bit strange to find DT here😂
...and oddly satisfying, indeed.
Haha nice, I don't know much about him but saw that video and it was super cool
Cue: Leonardo Dicaprio pointing 🤣
@@SwitchandClickOfficial I've been subscribed to his channel for quite some time already, just because I've started to like Linux. I'm now using Arch Linux.
Sorry I'm out of the loop, Is this keyboard friendly with Linux ?
Tried split for 6 months before. My typing speed was not affected after around 2 weeks of use. The most important thing is to keep a great typing habit, I mean finger positions. It works for both split and unified keyboards.
I made the change to an ergonomic keyboard and a vertical mouse about 6 months ago. Glad to say it worked for me and I'm pain free!
2:50 : Oh, this is why I have no pain, I don't put my wrist like that. Also me : Type with 2 fingers.
Same lol
Bruh same
lmao i never learnt how ppl use all their fingers i literally just use the index and middle finger
@@marssilly Ikr!
@@marssilly wut? You just memorize the key spots so you know where they are so you can just go and use all ur fingers pressing everything
Love it. I also put my mug of tea between my *split keyboard! Most underrated feature haha. More seriously, thanks for showing one of these, I switched to an Iris split keyboard a couple of months ago and it completely solved my neck, shoulder, and wrist pain. You're right that taking frequent breaks is the best solution, but one of these certainly helps.
Very true haha I thought about an iris before but it seemed too small
Just don't spill it on the keyboard and we won't have a problem.
Spit keyboard lol it’s called split keyboard
@@tamiluvs2759 😂
I love love love my two Keyboardio model 01s and looking forward to my model 100. Their ortholinear layout and sculpted keycaps are the best I’ve ever used. The thumb clusters are the best. Game changer. I hope you will review one someday. Best keyboard I’ve ever used.
After having a split keyboard for a while and still typing on a standard keyboard. Honestly whatever works best for you. I love the standard keyboard for on the go, while split for the long grinds. being able to type in whatever way your hands are is under appreciated. anyways great video. you should try the voyagers, they're really good. great software to customize too
And this is why I work in construction, I wouldn't wanna strain myself typing all day
🤔🤔🤨🤨
bruh
I....I..No, no. He's got a point.
lmao
As a future lawyer, i will stick to the pens and then ask my assistant to convert it to digital lol
*7:58** the real split keyboard was the friends we made along the way*
I switched to ortholinear about a year ago and had the same issues you faced. I now can't go back to a normal keyboard - I even have trouble on a phone screen keyboard LOL! Had huge trouble typing fast with ortho at first because I couldn't find the punctuation keys. Took me like 8 different reconfigures to find a layout I like
This is my favorite of your videos I've watched, of course, I've only been watching your channel for 24ish hours now.
Glad you enjoyed it!
@@SwitchandClickOfficial I ordered a keychron k8 jis last night, but this morning I realized there is effectively zero aftermarket support for it, so I sent an email to keychron asking for them to switch my order to the ANSI layout. But I kinda want to just cancel the order and get a split board instead.
everyone: wow thats cool me: how do you use your mouse
Well, just take your right hand off the keyboard like a normal one, since the distance is not fixed, you're able to accommodate the table to your liking( in games, it's not like you can't use WASD as well)
Use your leg xd
@@yourstudymanager2225 😂
Split was mainly for games I believe so the left side is more valuable then right
Her: “You can even fit a cup of coffee or a snack in between the two halves. I’m not that weird, I promise.” Me with snacks directly on my keyboard: 👁👄👁💧
*thinking about r/mk
Bruh that's gonna get dirty.
@@The_Bird_Bird_Harder already is- 😌✌️
I own a Corne split keyboard (42 keys) and after 2 years of usage I'm faster now with the split keyboard than with the regular one, even though I can switch back and forth between regular keyboard and the corne. Nowadays, I don't have any more wrist pain... even though I keep my corne kbd flat with no tenting, just a little diagonally oriented to keep my wrists straight. I would never go back to regular keyboard for work, even though I'm a programmer and some of the symbol keys are harder (initially) to get due to the reduced number of keys, once you assimilate it you are as fast as with a normal keyboard (the difference is you have to press combinations of different keys to get the symbol). It took me about 2 months to get as fast with the corne as with the regular, but now I'm faster. Nice video!
Distro Tube is a linux legend glad you found him. Very helpful amoungst other linux open source legends! Subscribed!
You’ve saved my hands!! My hands have been in pain for the past 3 years getting progressively worse but after seeing you do that weird stretch towards the beginning of the video, and imitating it, I’ve been able to almost eliminate the pain!! Thank you so much!! 😭😭❤️❤️
Kinda reminds me of driving manual transmission in a car and manual transmission on a motorcycle. The two are basically completely opposite and yet they both feel intuitive...after a while of allowing your brain to adjust. So yeah I'm not surprised that eventually you adapted to both layouts...we really should push our brains more.
Haha true. Our brains need lots of stimulus
This is a well made/edited video. Very entertaining!
I have been using an ergo ortholinear keyboard at home for ~2 years, and a staggered keyboard at work for ~6 months. i never thought there could be issues switching between the two until this video. it was tough getting used to the ortholinear layout at first, but i guess my hands are still familiar with the staggered layout to go back to it whenever
The algorithm likes this one. Got your channel in my recommended :D
Nice to know KZhead is spreading the word
So inspirational! Really wanted to move forward to this setup, if it was available in my country. Content aside.. your upbeat vibe, coupled with that bgm is joyous!
Thank you so much! I appreciate that.
I know from a DT video with the moonlander, you have "layers" so you basically have a num pad layout within the keys, you'd just have to use something like "shift" to do so. Not sure the case with yours. Also, I think the real ergo benefit would be keeping it shoulder width apart so you can maintain good posture (but of course that can all be preference. I've yet to try split but because of DT I'm definitely looking to get one.
I moved from a staggered 60% keyboard to a 40% ortholinear keyboard, it's been less than a week and I'm already very used to it. The ortholinear layout makes so much sense to me I'm loving it.
“It kinda felt like legos, but for adults” Are you saying LEGO aren't for adults?
She’s never said that-
@@lanbee9116 😐
She either meant IKEA or 18+ Lego **trollface intensifies** .
I find it really cool that you gave the little tidbit from DT. I love DT and didn't expect to see him on this channel! This is awesome!
I was just saying how I hate how all the keeb videos i see on twitch and youtube are just plain staggered bois. Really nice to see splits get some love. You should try a Dactyl. If you want to, I will be happy to send you one.
My sol 3 that I pre-ordered last year was finally delivered over the weekend. I built it, and have been using it non stop on multiple computers since Saturday. I love it.
That's awesome! I've been using a Dygma Raise and it's been much easier for me to switch back and forth between my normal keyboard and this split one
@@SwitchandClickOfficial I was so impatient waiting for the sol 3 that I bought a ZSA moonlander. So I've remapped the keys on the sol 3 to mimic the moonlander. I like the switches that I ordered for my sol 3 so will probably swap out the switches that came with the moonlander. I still struggle going back to a normal keyboard. I'm all about that split life now.
Just checked out that Dygma, not having the ortho linear helps when switching back and forth. I'd probably struggle with that board also even though it's split haha.
Cool to see you try split! I’ve tried out different split keyboards in the past year and what’s called “columnar stagger” feels confier to me. The columns are shifted to suit the different lengths of your fingers. Corne, Kyria, Sofle V2, and others are good at this 😄
Cool to see others discovering split and ortholinear keyboards! I would recommend a palm rest. That might help with some of the "new pain" you felt when switching. And as some others mentioned the correct table height is also important. As a Ultimate Hacking keyboard (with tenting kit and palm rest) and Kinesis Advantage 2 user I don't think I could have a keyboard again without palm rest.
Just the thing I was thinking looking at those raised hands at the footage. Funny thing, armwrist also gets getting used to. I had to sort of force my hands to stay at the armwrist and remember to totally relax and fix my hands on it. Ofc if youre gonna leave bkspc and esc at their original positions, then youre gonna need to move your wrist, but when going 36 keys you just kinda don't move at all.
I think if you have palm pain, just resting on something softer is targeting the symptom rather than the cause. Check what is being strained and why. You may need to speak to a physiotherapist for diagnosis. Beware not to have your wrists flexed back or at an unnatural angle.
hey! i love this video so much i love your passion for keyboards! keep making such awesome videos
Thank you! Will do!
I am using both qwerty and colemak-dh and I need a new keyboard, so I'm looking into split keyboards. Thanks for the video!
Trap pain can also be caused when your desk is higher up. So you may end up hunching your shoulders somewhat to compensate for the height difference. Make sure that you are typing with you elbows at 90 degree angles.
as a short person in life, all tables are too high :(
@@normalnova5281 As a person with an adjustable height chair, all tables are perfect height.
@@jo_naash Adjustable height chairs dont tell the whole story. im an average height man who inherited some taller than average desks. With my dx racer at full height, it’s still very uncomfortable for long periods. At this point i’m building a standing desk
@@jo_naash yeah but now your feet wont touch the ground and you have to buy another stool lmao. The dentist chair is the most comfortable chair at this point lol.
@@seraby7151 Dentist chair required for Keyboard Genisis?
I got myself a split keyboard like 6 weeks ago - the Dygma "Raise" - and I love it. While it is a split keyboard, it keeps the staggered set of the keys. I love the possibility of changing the angle and distance between each half, depending on my sitting position and posture. I still need to improve on my touch typing, as my old typing style was not that disciplined. Gaming is also great, as you can move the right, unused part of the keyboard out of the way to better adjust the distance between left hand and the mouse.
Oddly enough, I have the exact same mousepad as you! (or at least, one similar enough that it's basically identical). I've been considering a split or ergo keyboard for a while, but thought I was weird for it. Now, considering my job is 100% work from home, and I've gotten back into final fantasy xiv, having an ergonomic solution really will save my wrists long-term. So, thank you for this kind of video! I definitely appreciate the insight and will probably watch more of your stuff now to learn more about keyboards. :)
thanks for watching!
The spacing you finally felt comfortable is what I somewhat have with the Microsoft ergonomic keyboard. No ortholinear though.
Your arm might be hurting because of how high your table is. Try lowering its height and see if that makes a difference
When she showed the typing speed for split keyboard: I’m doing worse than that for my normal speed
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I just got mine! Put it together and it feels amazing! I thought typing on it would be super hard but so far so good. Helps that I type slow already so not too much of a difference lol.
"helps that I type slow already, so not to much..." my man 😂😂😂 👌
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dvorak will give you pain in your right hand, don't go for that one, I learned that mistake in few months hahaha. I made my Own layout. where you can still look at your keys and be more comfortable then qwerty. WYOEI PTRUQ ADLF GK JSH' ZXB CV MN it's not prfect, but you i made it optimal for both hands to do less finger movements :P
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I saw Andy Nguyen's sound test of this board and it sounds amazing, despite how strange the layout really is. Split boards aren't really my favorite, but the Sol 3 is a really nice build. The mounting is very good value for someone who wants a split ortho board.
Great video man i hope you make it really far
I literally was wondering about this and it just popped up on my recommended
"Such as typing a simple sentece" *Literally types "Cytoplasmic membrane"*
Isn’t that just a fancy way of saying cytoplasm
@@gamercon1302 I mean close enough but still I wouldn't call those common ordinary words. Like, sure it's nothing huge but it's still uncommon in daily conversation and hardly simple. XD although ofc im looking too much into it to try and be funny
40 hours a week? I can't even remember the last time I actually used a legit computer!
Me too🤣
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It's funny. I switched to a split column stagger board and saw an immediate reduction in upper back, arm, and wrist issues mostly because it corrected my posture immediately by virtue of the split keeping my arms in more natural positions. You're right about the brain getting used to it pretty quick. I now have a Sofle Choc and a Corne with choc switches so I went from MX spacing to choc spacing as well, which threw an additional wrench in the learning process. I definitely recommend typing at least an hour a day on monkeytype or a typing trainer like typing club if you're switching to this. I also found that going back and forth a bit helped me get my head around using both types of boards faster. I had to send my sofle in for repair and I'm typing on an alice board right now so I can start to feel the wrist strain. I definitely recommend trying a split board if you have RSI issues. My carpel tunnel has been a big issue with typing in the past since my hands will go numb but the split boards along with a trackball mouse have made a big difference.
as someone who "recently" (like a year ago at this point lol) switched to colmak. I can say that its really weird to try to change back to cwerty ( my cueue butten is broken) but as time goes on it s pretty easy. AT this point if i just look at the keyboard my mind just goes into cwerty mode.
This video was a literal masterpiece. How did 8 people dislike this ?
This is too quality for a below-100k channel, you really deserve 1 million subscribers :33 keep going !!
I came across this video while I started on a search for a more comfortable keyboard. This made me really want to purchase a split keyboard that I can tent, but I wasn't ready to reprogram my muscle memory to ortho or columer (spelling?). Now have my split keyboard with a staggered layout, and I love it. I have the two halves at about shoulder width apart, and it's great for me. Between work, school, and personal projects I type pretty much all day. Going to a split layout was a game changer for me, I don't want to go back to a standard. I refuse LOL
That's awesome!
I really want to try a split keyboard someday but I worry a bit about getting used to a completely different layout. I don't just type on a keyboard at home, sometimes work at the library or take notes in class and I certainly wont bring my mechanical keyboard to any of those places (weak , I know). It would be awesome to be able to use something like this for long writing sessions but I think having to use two very different types of keyboards and needing to deal with the strain of using both seems to kind of defeat the purpose. It's about time we make at least ortholinear arrangements a standard lol
I've wondered the same thing about typing comfort and ergonomics. I'd love to try a split ortho (or staggered columnar), but not enough to buy something I might not like! I wish there were a rent-a-keyboard program somewhere!
That keyboard gonna make my gaming set up look even cooler, I need it
I've used 2 keyboards for like 6-7 years and never experienced pain from it. only from jitter clicking on my mouse also, thanks alot for the heart ur my fav yt!!
The old Microsoft ergonomic keyboard is amazing.
Me: Who tilts the keyboard 45 degrees when playing games so I don't have rist pain
Wrist*
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As someone who uses a dygma raise for my daily, seeing the journey I had to go through is awesome to me. Great content!
That is AWESOME
Cool! You could also try learning a different keyboard layout for better ergonomics. Look up colemak, where you you'll can type most of the words with the fingers in the middle row.
Your vids are so good, keep up the good work
Thanks, will do!
“Oh wow, cool” “But first I had to build it” “Build-“ *speed building process” Me: nope 😃
You know the motivational ads on social media? This video feels like the same. It's like boosting someone's esteem 😂
I switched to Microsoft's Ergo Sculpt in 2018. Since I'm a software engineer, and type A LOT, I had a lot of pain in my wrists. I'm also a body builder, so my shoulder size didn't make it better with the angle my wrists had to bend to reach all the keys on a normal keyboard. But the slight angling and elevation that this keyboard gave me not only took away the pain, it also made me a lot faster at typing. Thanks for this review. Microsoft doesn't produce the Ergo sculpt any more, so I am on the hunt for something remotely as good.
Thanks for the link!
"But why would you even do that?" Honestly its just looks cool
Damn, I didn't even know that these types of keyboards exist!
The thing to consider as well is that a month is not actually that long. You take many days to get used to the new layout and spacing, which is not something you have to do regularly if you stay on the same keyboard. Also, as I see others have commented on, moving often used keys to more practical positions is a game-changer. I personally moved shift to my right thumb, and I will never go back. Having my pinky constrained to a specific key makes the rest of that hand SO much worse at the touch typing I usually do, this was my primary motivation for getting a custom keyboard. Adding layers and thus getting symbols, numbers and arrow keys to better positions also helped a lot. I love my custom split keyboard more than I thought I would, and I know I'm only gonna love it more as I understand better and better how to personalise it for how MY typing style
Great video ! I’m just thinking about switching my tofu 65 to a split one layout :)