In this video we have set up a drag race between two of the best performing Mini's on the market. The 2015 Mini Cooper S F56 takes it up against the quickest Mini in the range, the 2018 Mini Cooper John Cooper Works F56. The Mini Cooper JCW has 39 more BHP and is 15 KGS lighter than the Mini Cooper S. Which one will win the battle and how big will the difference be? See it in the video!
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A lot closer then I was expecting given the price difference
Same here
Yes indeed! Price/performance, the Mini Cooper S seems the best option to us.
Engine power is not the only upgrade you get. The JCW is a, not so, different car than a S. The handling of a JCW is far better balanced and sportier. The weight of the car is reduced due to different materials. Brakes are much better. and the exhaust is slightly more noisier.
The exhaust sound of the Mini Cooper JCW is remarkably louder than that of the Mini Cooper S!
In Sportmode that is, imho.
*cries in basic Cooper*
Aditra P 😂😂😂
Same fam. Lmao!
Never would buy this its slower than a bike
@@MsMisHaK most cars are slower than a bike friend
@@DustyDesertRat Even the Chiron?
I've got the JCW. No comparison. I had the carbon Pro Exhaust fitted too so it sounds even more ridiculous. 3 years on, I still giggle like an idiot when I drive it.
Haha everyone who is a car enthusiast knows that feeling I think! The Mini Cooper JCW indeed sounds terrific...
How has it been reliability wise? Any major issues?
Yes. And when you're a big kid like me, then it hits the right buttons
It's been fine. Runs really smooth and , so far, had no issues. It also had it's first MOT in June, and it sailed through so I'm really happy with it. And I do push it on quiet country roads and nothings fallen off yet ;)
@@nemmie Good to hear!
Wow the quality of this video is amazing! A pleasure to watch, waiting for some more MINI content from you guys! Currently I own a 2007 MINI Cooper S and I love it, makes me smile all the time :)
While making the video we were laughing all the time! It's all about the experience. More Mini content is coming! Stay tuned! ✌️
I love both of them we drove past a beige colored cooper s that was stock and the exhaust crackles and it sounded pretty loud for a 4 banger
Drag racing isn’t a good test to compare mini coopers. You need turns, like a road course to see the difference in what you are getting. I own a r56s JCW GP
You've got a point there! Thanks for your feedback, we will keep these things in mind for our next videos 😊
Thats a nice little investment
@@M17_Max I wouldn't call it investment lol
@@chrisdrumz7 you wouldn't call a limited run, individual spec, gp an investment?
@@M17_Max no since they depreciate in value quickly
I have a 2016 S with full John Cooper Works tuning kit. Sounds way better and standard JCW and is almost as powerful. Worth the upgrade.
A rolling race would of been a good test as well
Indeed! Maybe a good idea to implement this in a next video 😊
And if you add a brake test to it too you'd be competing with Carwow! Bring out more content, I enjoyed watching, thanks.
Welp...I'm glad I tuned my S rather than dishing out the extra 10k for a JCW
Haha that has saved you a lot of money!
I have a 2012 s, what do you recommend for more hp gains? Thank you
john mac smaller supercharger pully, free flow exhaust then remap.
@@Robcatist smaller supercharger, what brand? I didnt think they offered smaller pullies for a 2012 s
@@Robcatist also, do you have any idea on mini electrical? The exterior mini warning light came on? I checked all lights and that all seemed fine. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
I've had both these. Jcw exhaust sounds a lot nicer but the mini s with variable suspension was way more comfy. The mini s for me is a better daily drive and cheaper. Sure its a bit slower but who takes these cars to the limit anyway on the road. Do we need to have jcw better handling and bit extra bhp on the road. Pushing a mini s on the road is fast enough.
Having owned both these cars, I can tell you that the JCW is considerably quicker through every gear.Handles better, sounds and looks better. I'm not sure i'd pay full price for one though, you're better off getting a used one in good order !
We see how much quicker 😀
@@derekmclv yeah they are basically the same. The only differences are the bigger brembo breaks, little more power and different bumpers. All the parts fit the Cooper S.
@@Fabio-cx8jt also more cooling on the JCW.
jeez Louise... was expecting a solid two car lengths ahead for the works..
We also thought that the difference was going to be bigger given the horsepower difference...
@@CSRTV007 kind of disappointing considering the prices
Cool video simple & sweet i have a mini cooper standard chilli pack with jcw exhaust was looking to change to cooper s next year but it does tend to use abit of oil especially when im stigging it.
Thanks for the positive feedback. The Mini Cooper S is definitely a good option if you want something more sporty. A disadvantage is that it consumes quite a lot of petrol compared to other Mini Cooper models.
CSR TV no problem & yea that makes sense i was thinking cooper s d ? But my friend said its alot slower ill have a look at specs then decide in the future....cool vids keep uploading 👍🏼
The Mini Cooper SD has almost 170 hp but the experience is completely different with a diesel engine. We do our best to keep uploading from time to time 😉👍🏼
I agree that the horsepower difference doesn't seem to be quite worth the extra cash by itself, but you are also getting way better brakes, and suspension. Also were these tests done with stock tires?
Yes! both cars have standard tires and with the road surface also being not ideal, the JCW struggled more with grip than the Cooper S.
@@CSRTV007 still fair tho and that’s what matters when racing to see the actual difference good vid guys keep em stock
If you get the cooper s sport you get the same suspension as the JCW and styling . Just the HP is missing 😂
Hallo! Waar is dit gefilmd?
The JCW has stiffer suspension in general with adjustable dampening on the fly, a little faster, looks nicer, sounds a little nicer, is usually fully loaded, and has much bigger brakes. How do people not realize this is what you’re paying for? They’re not fucking dodge demons.
It also has a higher flow turbo manifold with slightly bigger injectors meaning you can tune it up more than you can tune up a normal S
What the actual fuck are you talking about. No ones talking a about a dodge demon. It’s just a fucking video pull your head out of your ass
Joseph Williamson he used a very nice analogy, of course that’s way too complicated for your brain so let me explain, Dodge demon is a car made to be a drag racer and that’s why he used this analogy because all the comments are all about how the price difference doesn’t make up to the difference in drag speed. He’s trying to say the price difference isn’t just about the speed
Diego Gregoir Thank you
Diego Gregoir Cooper isn’t a drag car .... the real test will be on the track Suspensions already hella stif
The roar of the JCW 🔥🔥
I bought 2006 jcw for $1000 bucks i fell in love with da brrm..brrm..brrrrm.sound n pulls real good torque😎😎
I currently have a 2015 Cooper S and was thinking about getting the JCW but this video makes me wonder if upgrading to the JCW is worth it...
We are happy to have been able to help you with your choice 😊👍🏼
You can buy the jcw programming from bmw.
Wayne C yeah I think that’s what I’ll do
Can you buy this upgrade at the Mini dealership?
CSR TV yeah and I think the JCW tuning kit is like $2200 with installation.
Sooooooo. A mini with 50bhp more than another mini is the faster mini. Brilliant.
Yeah with a tune
Great sound
F56 vs R56 please!!
Good idea! We will try to arrange that, but we can't promise anything 😉
Salut csr tv si tu veux j'ai un clubman r55 cooper s je suis de mouscron
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legit lit
Jordy Vandenbussche Thanks mate! 🤙🏼
I own a JCW and it's insane
I've been debating between a 2nd hand Cooper S and JCW, I found a Cooper S with JCW aero and JCW pro exhaust. If I would buy a compareable JCW F56 I would be spending around 4-5000 euro more. For that money I can fit a proper mechanical LSD and a good tune to the Cooper S to get it around 260whp, I will also have enough money left to buy a big brake kit from Mini/BMW brand new.
I want to see a GP1 vs a GP2...!
Stefan Leggott Good idea! We will try to arrange that, but we can't promise anything 😉
I own both a gp1 and gp2 (both stock) and also have a gp3 coming in April-June. I can tell you as a current gp1 and gp2 owner that the gp2 out preforms my GP1 significantly (as it should). That being said, there are multiple things i like about the GP1 Better! Including interior all around and also the exterior body of the gp1. I’m excited to own all 3 at once!
The mini jcw the saound is modified?
Love My JCW 2012
Nice video !
OCF Productions Thanks man! 😊
JCW falls on its face after 4,000 rpm
Great road! Where is this?
Secret location 🤐
not much different in speed but really different in the price
And very different in quality and technology!
@@ramonsousa8923 How so?
I thought the JCW would absolutely dust the S but not such a difference.
lol if you knew racing......it dusted the S. It was a full car ahead at barely any distance
Both stock ?
why tyres are so thin?
I have a stage3 R56 S... And has a bit more power than the stock JCW's. It would be nice to add a modded vs stock mini
I have a mini one d it might not be as quick as this but it's quick enough for me
Zou ik mijn stage 1 mini met 285pk mogen testen tegen een van deze 2?
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@@CSRTV007 ik heb u een bericht op insta verzonden (:
Thanks!
John Cooper Works !
So not too different... I saved myself nearly £10k and can still get near 40mpg by going for the S over the JCW, quite a wise decision by the looks of it!
Robert Christie A fuel consumption of 40 mpg or converted 7 litres per 100 kilometres is low for a Mini Cooper S. We own a F56 Mini Cooper S and the average fuel consumption is around 8.5 litres per 100 kilometres or 33 mpg...
@@CSRTV007 yes it can be done: you really need to focus on efficient driving to keep it at the 39-40 mpg mark, and of course traffic and road conditions help. If driving without the focus on keeping fuel consumption down, and using the car's acceleration & performance, then 33-35 mpg is about right. I've not yet taken it on a truly long motorway trip; my 2015 Cooper (the non S version) that I had before this S did 65 mpg on a 100 mile+ trip, I'm not sure how high I can get the MPG on this one.
Even though this conversation was 2 years ago, just for info I’ve had 63mpg on a long run in my 2015 Cooper s (100miles plus). Though day to day mixing between 30 to 45 mpg dependant on being a hooligan or a gentleman.
@@Outlaw-Pete now that I’ve had it a longer and gotten used to the car (which I got in Dec 2018, so just before I posted the comment) I have seen an improvement in efficiency. And of course I’ve seen a marked improvement thanks to lockdown and the lower amounts of traffic, getting a reliable 38-40 mpg without trying too hard. Even when being a bit more hooligan with it I don’t really see it drop below 37 mpg although I think I tend to offset my more exuberant driving with more relaxed trips too. I’ve found that turning the DSC off whilst driving helps with economy as well as just being giving a better driving experience, plus I spend about half my regular journey on the motorway which helps. Overall I think it’s just the perfect car; efficient and economical yet fast enough and fun too. I have been thinking though that when I come to change it in a couple of years time I’m going to get a JCW just because I reckon that’ll be my last petrol car before I end up with an electric one, I might as well go the whole hog for the last hurrah for the internal combustion engine!
Need a track test , and roll
now do a r53 JCW vs the new ones :p
Many of you are asking about this! We will try to arrange that, but we can't promise anything 😉
Sound of mini jcw 211hp of 2007
Both Minis look so similar it's hard to distinguish the JCW from the S.
You can tell by the bumper
Bgm..... which music.?
Well I would hope so 😆
2018 JCW has a 7 DCT and 2015 S has a 6 auto, honesty the difference can be just the gearbox, I think the JCW is a little bit shy. This is like if an Audi S3 was that close to an Audi RS3: the RS3 would make no sense; or if a GTI was that close to an R again it makes no sense, JCW SHOULD be noticeably faster.
It is top end everything else is minimal. The jcw will do 10 + mph more.
SuperBoris1976 yes, I have seen dyno numbers and the extra hp of the JCW are above 5000rpm, also the S seems to be underrated at 189hp, I have seen numbers from 200 to 215 and The JCW seems to be at what it’s claimed(230)so that makes things even closer. I own a 2016 JCW and is great, I have never raced against an S so I can’t tell what happens with 6spd auto vs 6spd auto. What I can say is the brembo brakes are the big disappointment of this car, the JCW breaks worse than a GTI a A3 and many other cars. I usually drive the JCW and a A3 sedan and the A3 breaks better, I hace I en confirmed it in many reviews of the JCW.
As you can see in the video, the difference is minimal during the acceleration but at high speeds the performance gap is clearly noticeable.
All F56 JCW's are 8 speed Aisin conventional auto. Only F56 1.5T and S have a Getrag DCT.
@@vmoca NO, I own a 2016 JCW and is 6 speed auto, I'm not sure if the DCT happened at some point, I think it went from the 6 speed auto to the 8 speed. I just read or probably misread about the DCT, I'm not sure.
I doubt both cars could properly put there power down looking at the road surface, I bet the JCW really struggled.
The Mini Cooper JCW did indeed suffer from wheel spin several times.
Got mine SD 170 fuking awesome sadly not that loud But Maybe in the future upgrade.
Not a lot in that so id just get the Cooper S. Whats the point of paying extra for a split second faster, and on public roads it would make even less of a difference in normal driving conditions.
Best review ever !!!!
Minis are cars I'd rather buy second hand, the depreciation you get hit with on a new one is insane.
I have the exact 3 door S and she's quick but more is more.
Funny thing is that the Veloster N PP would leave these both in the dust. For less $
*0:06* music? 😄😎
I own a 2018 CooperS (same model) with the JCW Design Trim, love the styling, feeling and joy of riding this car. I did test the JCW 2017 model and did (although the engine is a bit different )- not just see myself in the car. The JCW is a sure thing for regular speeding tickets, and i think the mileage be better on the S model. So i can drive like an idiot (still) and get decent mileage.
Cooper S with JCW design trim is like buying a Mercedes C 200 and put AMG badges on it...
@@PorscheCayenneS why not?
@@astrovenus8345 Obviously because they are a prosche 911 driver.
Anyone knows if jcw spoiler fits on mini sd f56 2015?
It does fit
Can we have Cooper S vs Cooper SD
Good idea! We will try to arrange that, this could be possible 😊
CSR TV muchos gracias, i have the SD but not seen anything on KZhead comparing the two
Yes please
@@CSRTV007 what about a gp version, or are those pretty rare? or do i just sound stupid and one of these is pretty much a gp. (im not a huge car guy i just like mini's)
Haha no, there exists indeed a Mini Cooper GP. This is a special version of the Mini Cooper JCW designed for track use but you can also drive it on public roads.
On a straight jcw isn’t that much faster but it does handle better considering the big brakes and aero kit, plus you get a better exhaust
And the antiroll bars are the same?
how much oil went for this test? sory for my english:) Mini cooper is fantastic car but love oil:(
SZCZUR WODNY Official Mini documents say that the average fuel consumption of the Mini Cooper S is around 6 liters. We drive this car as a daily and from our experience the car uses around 8,5 litres per 100 km. So the mileage is pretty bad 😕
Depends how you drive it. Not that bad...! Wasn't bought for watching fuel/oil consumption anyway lol
Stefan Leggott Haha true story! Epic car to drive! Maximum go kart feeling 😉
I can reach 6l if i drive really smooth to work. But with a bit fun im fast over 6.5
The fuel consumption on the highway is indeed quite good of the Mini Cooper S.
Cooper S also benefits much more from a stage 1 remap in terms of % gains.
I would've liked to see some dash cam footage as well, but this is not a critique of the video.
When compared, make it a 4 run dragrace, switching the sides of the road every run. Perhaps more honest. Btw, I'm not that into dragrace to begin with. You can only compare when you leave the human element out of the comparison. So you can run each car separate, using instruments to measure how quick a car is.
You are right! Thanks for your feedback! We will keep these things in mind for our next videos 😊
expecting more difference though..
We also thought that the difference was going to be bigger given the horsepower difference...
Let me see if i got this right... i spend an extra $7,000 for about 40 horsepower between the s and the jcw and they accelerate the same? Something is not adding up!
When accelerating from 0-100 the difference is rather small but at higher speeds the difference is more obvious.
S's do not sound like that stock. I would bet the S in this vid has been customized/tuned.
@@astrovenus8345 they do actually just push that bitch sounds nasty. Mines is a 2020 flutter sounds nice when I push the gas but when I rev that bitch to the max sounds nasty
@@fuhjrvr7474 😂👍🏼
I can say as an owner of an R56 jcw the s models don't compare in the canyon the level of confidence with the jcw is way more
R53 vs. F56 ?
Many of you on this channel are asking for a race against the R53. We'll have to get it done I think 😂
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My gf has a F56 Cooper S and it's insanely fun to drive and feels super quick for only 190 HP, even more fun than my M240 😂😂😂
Debating on buying my 2017 S when the lease is up or leasing just one more and then buying. I want a car I can keep for 10 years or more.
The Mini Cooper S 2017 is indeed a good choice but I don't know if you can/will keep this car for 10 years.
i dont think so. for 10 yrs, Mini cooper? Japanese cars may be
My wife finally parted with her 2006 Cooper S. 140,000 miles. Only sold because her bad left knee can’t handle the clutch ( lots of stop and go commuting). Awaiting delivery of her new 2020 Cooper S. So yeah it can last for 10 years. BTW she got over 100,000 miles on original clutch.
Bumpers jcw is better
It's now at the very end of 2022. I've had a 2011 Cooper S for 11 years. Other than all the costly repairs I've loved it but I'm ready for a change. I was lusting after the Hyundai Veloster N but they've discontinued it. I guess it just wasn't boring enough for the average American driver. Anyway, when I'm ready for a new car the default choice so far will be either the Cooper S or the JCW. So far I'm not seeing $6,000 worth of value in the JCW; a half second quicker to 60mph and a bit more attitude and more edgy, maybe worth a few thousand more to me, not double that. Plus I hate the instrument layout on the 2022. The cluster directly in front of the driver looks like an oval iPhone. Comments from JCW owners? Is it worth it?
vs Perodua Kelisa (Malaysia)
😂😂
J ai la même mais la gp 2020
*cries in r50*
why? r50 is an amazing car
close, but the horsepower is one thing, the upgraded suspension and brakes is another
So who won wtf
Haha. Totally
*puts glasses on* Hmm, Glad I just got the S
Almost no difference between the 2 in terms of straight line speed? Until the 3rd go at least… wow
Damn, I’ll go save £5,000 and and pick the CooperS 👍
Jcw is pricey because there now bmw engines and can do a lot more mods with it , I have the 2.0 jcw and it’s unbelievably quick
SET IN STONE FIFE LTD stonemasons and builders The JCW is indeed verrrry quick when we compare it with other hothatches!
So is the S model. It's a full BMW as well.
Go to 1:17 for actual head-to-head action
1/4?
Emilio Bravo What do you mean?
CSR TV quarter mile numbers, i guess
cookiemonstahmetal Thanks for helping me out 😉 1/4 Mile Mini Cooper S: 14,7 seconds and Mini Cooper JCW: 14,2 seconds.
CSR TV i mean if the race was 1/4 mile. Because it looks 200 mts. I have run against mini cooper s in 1/4 mile and the jcw its a lot faster than the video
CSR TV i mean if the race was 1/4 mile. Because it looks 200 mts. I have run against mini cooper s in 1/4 mile and the jcw its a lot faster than the video
I used to have a supercharged John works 😭
Kai Yznaga-Smart Which car do you currently own?
CSR TV i still own a Mini Cooper but it’s a newer four door model. Just the basic Cooper. But I used to have a 2007 two door supercharged JW. It was yellow and beautiful. I’m still grieving 😂
Do an R53 Cooper s vs a new Cooper S
Many of you on this channel are asking for a race against the R53. It is hard to find someone with this type of car who wants to join for a video... But we keep looking!
I have one ! yellow white top 2003 supercharged selling it for $3500 clean title even has a SPARE runflat Astoria, Oregon
Sounds like a good deal!
Where do you get those dark taillights and spoiler from the cooper s?!
The cooper s isnt bad at all the jcw is just a lil quicker(not much)
Same engine just programmed different
You're right!
JCW has a larger turbo, and the race is a little unfair considering the Cooper S is a non facelift and the JCW is the newer more emission conscious ECU.
JCW has a larger turbo, and the race is a little unfair considering the Cooper S is a non facelift and the JCW is the newer more emission conscious ECU.
You've got a point there! Thanks for your feedback, we will keep these things in mind for our next videos 😊
ECU map is different, turbo is bigger, different pistons thus different compression ratio (10 vs 11:1) but essentially the same
The Works should have out run the S easily ! Given the BHP difference.... I have a Works and wife has an S and the works is considerably quicker
Feels quicker but feelings can be deceptive.
Are these cars automatic?why not manual?sounds auto.
Yes, both Mini's have automatic gearboxes.
diddydavid67 because if it was manual the win could come down to user error/expertise not just the car itself
No manual offered in the USA this year. Dealer said may have been due to Brexit issue. Dont know for sure.
I'm done
I’ve owned both, the JCW is much quicker. Both on accelerating from start and roll on acceleration. Had a F56 cooper s from new for 2 years, then changed it for a JCW which I’ve had for nearly 3 years. The JCW has gone in for the odd fault and servicing in that time (the last was a parking sensor issue which took 3 visits to the dealer to sort out!). Each time I had a Cooper s as a courtesy car, and each time I noticed it was definitely slower. As soon as I picked up my JCW each time, you can feel straight away the extra power and faster acceleration. This video is misleading.
Cool story bro
Ok 🗿
I own a 2011 S Clubman... that little car hauls ass! 181 bhp out of a 1.6L 4 cyl!
It’s like watching two slugs race. How cute.
my cooper s with lightweight flywheel, FMIC, CAI, and turbo muffler delete will fuck that JCW up at a fraction of the cost and it ain't even tuned yet, just saying ^___^
What about when it gets to a corner, will lose
Im so sorry to say that our Mini Cooper S 2015 did 260 km/h stock....but now when its tuned it goes 290 km/h with the 250 HP
Yes
Not really much need for the jcw considering the price hike 👍🏻
its not that huge difference, maybe he did not use the launch control system in the JCW !!
the S also has Launch Control....
Rich keds cars