How To Diagnose a Broken Timing Belt
In this video I share my methods of diagnosing a broken timing belt. Mechanical issues are so often overlooked when diagnosing a no start problem and I think this is important information that could help you if you’re dealing with a timing belt driven engine that isn’t starting.
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good thing that Toyota Camry's don't have interference engines , otherwise that engine is pretty much toast , at least on a Toyota they are relatively straight forward , on a Alfa Romeo not so much
commodore665 indeed!
Isnt it a interference Engin ?? How !!??
Non interference the owner is golden as it looks to be pretty roomy to change that timing belt. If it was a v6 the bill would be quite a bit more.
I once dodge a preety big bullet when i replaced a timing belt on my father's fiat tempra which is an interference engine because as it turned out the tentioner for the bearing seized and the belt was literally rubbing on the tentioner so much that it caused discoloration and the smooth side of the belt having melted from the rubbing and having cracks all over it.
Lol
Normally just undo a couple of bolts on the timing cover, pull it back a bit which allows you to be able to see the belt, if its there or not. :D
^^ This. Also, on many engines you can pop the oil fill cap, and watch the followers (or rocker arms) while the engine is cranking.
I did this only the other day! Great way of diagnosing it 👍
I’ve seen timing belts that strip a few teeth from the belt and when they get to the crank its unable to rotate the belt but looks good when you remove the timing belt cover.
@@malcolmdown9170 Surely when turning it over with the cover off you would realise this?
@@malcolmdown9170 True, ive also seen belts jump or loose teeth. Then you do the other steps like mentioned in this vid, like a compression test. Always do the quickest and simplest first, as mentioned, oil cap is one of them, if its above the cam and you got someone to crank the engine while you look.
Amazing, new belt and it starts right up! I thought that engine was a goner. Long live non interference engines.
Nah, I knew this would get saved... I've got a '97 Camry with this same engine
Great video Eric. Your ability to show the theory with the techniques of a mechanic is top notch. Thanks.
Someone following information in this video can be under the impression that it is a good idea to turn the engine over using the starter, with the timing belt off. This is generally a bad idea. If the engine being worked on is an interference engine 'where the valves can collide with the pistons if not in sync' with the starter engaged and the timing belt removed, it can bend valves! Eric, it is probably a bad idea to use a car with a non-interference engine, as it can cause confusion and worse, engine damage may occur. Precautions must be taken to ensure that the relationship between the camshaft(s) and crankshaft remains in sync for interference engines. Given the scenario that the timing belt hasn’t jumped time, then removing it and turning the engine over with the starter, bad things can happen. I’m a big supporter of your channel. Watch every new episode of yours and have learned a lot from you. Keep up the good work!
An easier way to minimize damage is turn the engine over by hand and remove the valve cover or cap and check if the camshaft rotates. There is less chance of serious damage.
Great video, very informative. I have seen plenty of engines where you can see the cams spinning (or not as the case may be) though the oil filler cap. Nothing wrong with your steps but its a good 'quick and dirty' check to add to the list.
Yes, that's a great way to check, but this engine has a baffle under the oil cap. Thanks for the comment.
Knowledge is power! Thanks Eric!
Thanks for sharing Eric👍
Eric, on some cars you can remove the oil filler cap and watch the cam shaft and rocker arms when cranking the engine over. If the cam and rockers don’t move the timing belt may have stripped teeth. Thanks for the videos!
Who else wishes that there was a full video on replacing the timing belt on this car?
dadefope80 there are about 500 of those videos on KZhead.
@@richieschmidt6225 Yeah and over half of them don't go into detail, less than 10 minutes in length, and the camera shaking all the time.
dadefope80 I'm pretty proficient with them, feel free to ask questions.
kzhead.info/sun/Zc-KfLGIcHOPeqs/bejne.html Here's a really good one by 1a auto
Look up hardly moving productions
Thank you. I needed that closure.
Thank you for the bonus footage. Us Carolina boys like to see the carnage and the fix!
So i just got done watching your video called “basics of car parts” from 2012 and wow you have changed a lot. Well of course.
That was really helpful thanks Eric !
Great video! very informative
Thanks bro for the explanation
Good video. Thanks for taking the time to explain things.
This is perfect timing. I'll show myself out.
Excellent diagnosis, Eric! Pretty simple and easy to do. Any chance of a video on what you just did....?
Thanks ERIC always clear and entertaining, think I have the same thing. Lexus IS200 auto 1999, parked up and started it daily while not using until one morning it didn't ,appeared to be flat battery so charged it. starter spins and not turning over. Reason I 'm posting this is if I put it in Drive /Reverse I can roll it forward or backward and I'm fairly certain that's not right either.
Old school ETCG diag vid.. Iove it!
Sometimes i look through the oil cap
I ALWAYS take a peak, even if I DON'T see anything. Looking is super easy!
That's a great idea, and I wish I would have put that in this video. However, there is a baffle under this oil cap that prevents a clear view of the cams. Thanks for the comment.
@@ericthecarguy a little off topic but hoping u can help...I got a duralast 8amp battery charger/maintainer my 12v car battery after sitting for 4 hours still connected to my car it will settle around 12.3-12.2v volts and some mornings my car will not start my alternator is good it charges the battery while the car is on at 14.2v volts so i decided to try charging it with my charger and its charging my battery at like 15.3v is this normal? its like 20°-30° degrees here in chicago...The charger has a microprocessor in it but i havent left it on long enough to see if the voltage goes down im afraid its gonna ruin the battery or even possibly cause it to explode...haha (not funny i know) haha...thanks in advance
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Great informative video Eric
Thanks for showing that even if you have no compression it can be the timing belt and not a bad engine.
Thanks so much. Good info and process
Good job Eric👍👍👍👍
You're a more patient man than I Ezza. I would have have removed the oil cap and looked inside, or as you said the dizzy diamond capilious. That said, you are a legend Ezza, an you fixed it!! Ezza (Sir Eric) is a modern legend I'd suggest.
Hi Eric, could you tell me if the timing belt will break suddenly without any sign/warning/symptom??? I have an odyssey, but cannot tell if the last owner replaced or not. No any records either. The mileage is 110K. I opened the cover and see the belt looks fine; teeth are good; no crack on the surface.
love your videos Eric. wanna ask you a question i no you work on lot of hondas J series engines i have 2006 honda odyssey EX-L MODEL and the rear bank has a ticking sound would you be able t o tell me what that sound is.
Thanks Eric for another great video!! Have 89 Toyota 4x4 3.0 engine just bought it guy said it just died going down road thinks It's timing belt but has sit for several year's I turned it over by hand turned bout half round got pretty hard to turn is that normal
good to have a customer car in the shop, do more.
Would it have been a good idea to open the throttle when doing g a compression test, let some air in the engine
super helpful thanks man
Hey Eric! I have a 2005 Neon SRT-4 with only 22k miles. Non interference motor. It has the original timing belt. Would it be a good idea to get it replaced despite the low mileage? Or not to worry about it?
Great Video Eric!
Thanks.
new subscriber here. i want to ask you a question sir, i am stock in buying car same engine but the other one has turbo. what car should i buy in terms of saving fuel turbo or non turbo
Just had a timing belt on my works diesel transit go last week, when I had it recovered to a local garage when they checked first just by listening when turning it over no compression, looked in the oil filler and there looked like bits of rubber?
Right at the end... "Thanks for watching..." And I immediately started thinking the way AvE signs off for some reason.
You can still crank the engine if the timing belt is broken? Is there potential for further damage if you do this?
Why did you get some compression on one of the cylinders?
Hi Eric, i was wondering if you could help me figure out my issue with my 89 civic hatchback. What its doing has me a little puzzled.
I had a 1984 Accord with a manual transmission. I was on the highway going 60+ when the timing belt broke. At the time I lost all power and didn't know it was the timing belt. I immediately put it in neutral and coasted to the shoulder. I think that car had an interference engine but somehow I suffered no damage at all. How lucky was I? Was throwing it in neutral what saved me?
What was the result after replacing timing belt did it bend valves or not?
wow! that's a great tip
My timing belt failed twice on a 1983 Honda Civic S and it kept on going after fixing. I do however think the valves bent as it sounded a bit raspy afterwards.
3:44 He speaks car! Thanks for this great video. Xoxox
That's a good reason for people getting the timing belt replaced on a schedule. No one does it untill it's too late and possibly damages the engine. Depending on design. :-(
Meh, depends on the owner. Some owners are very good about maintenance. Others, not so much. In this case it was an old man that didn't drive the car much. Based on the new tires, I'd say when he needs to spend money he does, just not on anything preventative. Thanks for the comment.
Hayyyyy You knows what's weird the 2 times I've encountered a broken timing belt the engines were interference engines but after replacing the belts the engines ran perfect... I wonder why sometimes the valves get bent and sometimes they don't. Proper weird m8
DaBossk I would say it was sheer luck on an interference engine, a 50/50 chance. The only way to be sort of safe is to replace the belt before the scheduled replace. But who remembers belts, some people need a good kicking to check and replace the oil lol.
Would your methods be the same if it were an interference engine?
Eric, I'm surprised you didn't try the simplest and dirtiest option. Just unscrew the oil cap and look at the cam turning, or not (maybe it's a car specific). No possibly destructive disassembly needed.
That only works on cars that don't have any baffles.
Many valve covers have baffles under the oil cap, including this one. That is a good test though.
my 2004 honda accord timing belt and water pump has broken, the mechanic told me to change my engine. Does it affect my engine?
Hello Mr Chris Iam from Iraq I have question If the timing belt control open and closing valves What does VVTi function?? Could you explain please
Hi. My 2004 Ford Explorer has started cutting off. As soon as I try to give it gas...it shuts off. How do I know if it's the fuel pump or something else? Also, all of the windows stopped going up and down at the same time.
The shop said that the crankshaft seal and camshaft seal have been leaking and that oil got on the new timing belt ( well 6 month old fairly new) and with that hot oil and excessive heat it snapped the belt in 2 pieces so they have to replace both seals and belt ...the question is can those 2 bad seals get the timing belt snap in 2 like that???? Toyota Camry 1999 2,2 L 4cyl auto.
Had one that I suspected had a broken timing belt, but when I pulled the cover off the timing belt looked intact and tight. Didn't see any broken or damaged hardware but it had all the symptoms of a timing belt. Went through similar diagnostics as Eric. Scratched my head for a while. Cranked the engine while putting the Mk I eyeball on the cam. Engine cranked fast, but the cam didn't move. How the hell can you have a tight timing belt and have the crank turn but not the cam?!?! Pulled the timing belt. The crank had scooped all of the teeth off of the timing belt right there at that one spot and left the rest of the belt undamaged. Wish I'd saved that belt to show folks.
maingun07 that’s actually how most timing belts are “broken” the teeth of the belt get sheared off, as opposed to the belt literally shredding.
@@bigragu6828 Thanks. Didn't know that. Only done a couple of belts. Most of my vehicles have chains.
Do to a broken timing belt can my 99 toyota camry engine siese the engine, 4 cylinder. Does no interference apply??
Well that was convenient that it broke down in front of your shop, and yes thankfully it wasn’t an interference engine. I see the valve cover gasket is leaking so I’m assuming you replaced that as well. Those are great cars and I’m sure that it will continue to last a very long time.
Why I replace the timing belt on my Tdi diesel every 2-4 years. It’s $50 for oem part and it’s good to look around every few years. It will prevent a breakdown on the side of the road. Even if you just notice a coolant leak or something. It’s cheaper than having a mechanic take a look at your car.
In many cases you can just remember the oil filler cap and crank the engine while looking through the oil filler cap hole. You should be able to see if the camshafts are rotating. Something times removing one the CAM sensor is easier and quicker.
I wish I would have men toned that in the video. That said, this engine has a baffle under the oil cap preventing a clear view of the cams. Thanks for your comment.
@@ericthecarguy Great video like always. Thanks for your hard work.
How about a link to the light that was mounted across the hood?
hey Eric...nice video, thanks for sharing. Just one question, Is the technique the same on diagnosing the timing belt on an interference engine?
Non interface means the pistons will never meet the valves. An interference motor will destroy the valves
Sure. People seem to be hung up on this issue in the comments here. If the valves were bent when the belt broke, you're not going to bend them more by turning the engine over. Remember the belt is already broken, the cam can't move as a result. Thanks for the comment.
Timing chains are the best thing ever
Eric I have been watching from before the time you purchased the 82 mustang AKA Black Pearl! For the Fairmont build. Love the Fairmont ride along video kick ass. How ever would love to see the resurrection of the AKA Black Pearl . The ride along in the mustang was alsome before it was sacrificed . I am a car guy and dig your channel. Will you be considering bringing it back?
Non interference engine. I have a 99 Toyota rav4 same sound. Did a compression test also . Broke timing belt on s 95 honda odyssey whole different ballgame bent valves
My car too this happened yesterday.... Bent vavles are no jokes
Your rav4 might be the same engine so hopefully for you he does more videos on this car, I know they used the 89 camry motor on the older rav4s but I'm not sure on the newer ones, have a look on Wikipedia
I’m doing a motor swap on a 99, replacement is a 96 engine. I have several components to transfer over to make it work. The 96 had just had all timing components and water pump replaced prior to my son crashing it. 🙄
My Nissan versa note sv has started to jerk and the rpm arm gets stuck and goes back and forth between 1 and 3 ?
On the engines I work on: Take the timing belt cover off (two clips) Inspect the timing belt.
That’s pretty rare. Actually I personally never saw just two clips holding the cover. But yeah should be a no brainer to do that first if you have that possibility.
@@AttilaTheHun333333 Worst case scenario: undo a T30 screw and remove the timing belt cover.
@@panzerveps Sadly it's a bit more involved than that in my car. I cannot remove the upper cover without removing the upper engine mount.
@@AttilaTheHun333333 Actually Volvo family s40 has 2 Small bolts
So i replaced my altanator from my old 94 civic and put it on my 95 civic and my ground wire from the battery termanal sparked that attached to the car as soon as i turn the car over it sparks need help asap
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Does every brand engine react differently with a broken timing belt? I know b that with old 90s Honda engines if the timing belt goes, usually the car goes to the crusher.
Yes. It depends on if it's an interference engine or not. For example all those Hon-duhhhhs that went to the crusher... most likely have interference engines, which means bent Valves everywhere. Meanwhile on this 5S-FE Camry there is no interference, so all Eric has to do is make sure #1 is TDC, somehow realign the cam shaft to where all the Valves are set correctly, then put a new timing belt (bare minimum) on there and BOOM
There's a lot of misconceptions about broken timing belts, especially in this comment section. Yes, engine damage can occur on some engines if the belt breaks. However, in my experience, it's mostly just a couple of bent valves. Once the bent valves are replaced, the engine can go on to live a long and happy life. If it's properly maintained that is.
In a fair number you will get brocken valves, but then it's a cylinder head replacement... and worst case a piston or two as well.
Even on those particular engines, which are indeed interference engines you won't see bent valves every time. Sometimes the belt will break at idle and you'll get a bunch of bent intake valves, sometimes it will break at 8000rpm and not do any damage. Certain Kias however would sometimes break a timing belt and break valves which would then punch a hole in the top of the piston and smash into the head as the engine spun down
I could've used this video about 4 months ago Eric, my 89 camry had a busted timing belt but I'm a noob, and 2 friends that are very much car guys couldn't work it out, that both picked it had no spark so I checked the distributor and it wasn't turning so I worked out it was the timing belt, after almost losing my job due to taking a few days to work out the actual problem
Glad you didn't loose your job. Sorry to get the video to you late. ;)
@@ericthecarguy it's still a useful video cos the camry completely died so I'm now driving a car with no distributor so at least I know how the diagnose if the timing goes on this car, although I plan on replacing before it happens this time because I believe it's an interference engine
IS THE 2004 ACURA MDX AN INTERFERENCE ENGINE?
Can a rip timing belt while driving bend some valves?
Did it have bent valves?
Happy Valentine's Day Eric!
Happy Valentines day!
On January 1sr, my 17 yrs old car stalled on highway, and cannot restart. ODB code for cam position sensor failure. I opened the timing belt cover and found out it was a broken timing belt.
It happened to me not so long ago, just replace the head because the valves are going to be all bent
@@ogkrillin9834 Not if it's a non interference engine. Those are built so that the piston cannot slap a valve no matter the position.
So my friend has a 2005 Kia Rio and the timing belt broke and he replaced it and the car still won’t start what could it be
Hey Eric it's Kyle, the blind guy. I did a timing belt job on a 99 contour
Hi Kyle!
you are not blind if you fix a time belt
@@fatthar4804 could have before he was blind, smartass.
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@Random Stuffs Well heck, with the way today's vehicles are built, you are kind of working blind many times anyhow, and there are several different types of blindness from what I've been told. I think its really cool that someone that is visually impaired can still work on vehicles and I'm sure many have told him he couldn't...this is awesome he's doing what he wants regardless of his vision impairment...great job Kyle.
My engine wont crank at all and has battery power ? Is that any sign of a broken timing belt?
Didn't mention a very important issue. Yeah, only if your engine is non-interference. If I were to do this on my Honda it would have probably bent some valves from the top of the pistons hitting them. Couldn't you just take the oil cap off and watch for cam activity also?...Thanks Eric. Always love your videos...
I disagree. Even if the engine is an interference engine, you won't damage it further by turning it over because the cam can't move. If a piston is obstructed by a broken valve or other damage, the engine won't turn over at all. Attempting to turn it over won't cause any additional damage either, the engine is already done. Yes, you could just take the oil cap off, and I wish I would have mentioned that in this video, but on some engines, like the one in this video, there is a baffle under the oil cap which prevents a clear view of the cams. As for your Honda, they don't always bend valves. kzhead.info/sun/mNKJfsZwm6p5jaM/bejne.html Thanks for your comment.
@@ericthecarguy Thanks Eric. That is why I watch and learn from the videos that you make. You are the professional... And I did say "probably bent some valves", because even though the cam isn't moving couldn't there be a possibility of 4 valves being open at the same time (2 intake and 2 exhaust)? And by turning it over any further could cause damage to the open valves. yes, I've seen some cases where they dodged a bullet and stopped the engine without it doing any damage, but I just assumed that turning it over any further like you did in the video could possibly cause damage that if luck was on your side hadn't happened yet from when the timing belt first broke. That's why I suggested maybe a different diagnostic approach first... thanks again!
Is it a good idea to crank an engine with suspected broken timing belt? Could this make more damage to the engine?
Not to this engine...It's known as a non interference engine...Valves won't hit pistons
If that were the case, it wouldn't turn over. It would suddenly stop during cranking.
But the oil pump is driven by the timing belt on 3sfe/5sfe, so that would mean no oil pressure while cranking? But then again nothing turns in the top end anyways, or am I thinking wrong? Awesome video😀👍
I’m glad i know how to work on cars.
You have to love a Camry ......and those 2liters and 2.2 motors ...lol
So many times i have wished that manufacturers would provide a small inspection cover into the top timing belt cover. would be great for checking if your belt is still in one piece - like in this instance, but it would also be great for checking the condition of a belt. If you get a sticky tensioner you would see the wear on the back of the belt. But on a lot of modern cars it is a job in itself just to get the top timing belt cover off. A little inspection hatch would be so good.
Honda uses those on the J series V6.
Is it true that if that motor was an interference motor turning it over with a broken belt will bend the valve. Just asking.
Yes depending on cam position and valve depth on exhaust stroke.
Hands up. Busted
On many cars, you can remove the oil fill cap to see if the rockers move while someone attempts to start the vehicle. If the belt is broken, they will not move when cranking the engine over.
You are correct, and I wish I would have put that in the video. However, there is a baffle under the oil cap on this car that prevents a clear view of the cams. Thanks for the comment.
Thumbs up!
You said that you could smell the raw fuel. When you were cranking the engine, and getting sparks in the open, couldn't that have possibly caused fire or an explosion?
Thank you that's the problem on my car
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Hello Jonard! Thank you for watching and for your comment!
long time ago a broke a timing belt in a honda accord. They towed my car to a garage and the guy there showed me a quick and dirty way to see if the timing belt broke......just take off the oil cap and look inside for movement while you are cranking. Naturally , this doesn't work for a slipped belt but is good for a broken belt or if many teeth are missing on the belt.
Change oil pump gasket while you're in there it is a common leak on Camrys.
Had one of mine snap on the motorway in the fast lane, 110KPH then the engine goes silent. I managed to get to the shoulder then turned the key to get that depressing no-compression sound .Took the head off, and it had taken one valve clean off, snapping it at the stem! Never assume the previous owner had the common sense to change it when due.
Glad you made it out of that ok.
Eric, why not simply remove the upper timing cover to look for timing belt and not do any engine cranking etc to avoid any potential valve/train damage?
1. You won't always see a damaged belt by removing the cover, it could be broken farther down like it was on this engine. 2. Removing the upper timing cover on this engine is more difficult because you have to remove an engine mount and move the power steering reservoir out of the way. Lastly, once the timing belt breaks, the cam stops moving. There really is no way to damage the engine more by turning the engine over as it was running when the belt broke in the first place. If the engine is damaged, say with bent valves, you won't bend them anymore than they're already bent. If there was a catastrophic failure, such as a broken valve dropping down into the cylinder, the engine won't turn over, at least not very far, and the damage would already be done. It's not like turning it over in that situation will make things any worse. Thanks for your comment.
@@ericthecarguy really appreciate your thorough response which completely make sense.. Thank you!
Isnt all this cranking a good way to bend valves if they arn't already?
1. This is a non-interference engine 2. If it was an interference engine, the valves would've already been bent when the belt broke. The damage is already done; cranking the engine isn't gonna cause more damage
I can't see how. If the belt is broken, the cam can't move. Even if the valves are bent, you really can't bend them anymore. Also, if something was really broken, it would stop the engine from turning over completely. You wouldn't be able to crank it over at all.
Used to have a 91 Honda Civic. Was leaving a gas station one day and the whole car just shuts off. Pulled over and tried to crank it and it was making same sound as car etcg is working on in this video. Had no resistance at all. It was also the timing belt. So The old Honda d-series engines are non-interference as well. Didn't do any damage. The 3.0 Toyota v6 engines found in the old pickups r also Non interference
I aslo want to add that I had that car for maybe 6 years and besides that timing belt breaking, which is normal failure, I never had not one single problem with that car. D series may have been slow but that was the most bullet proof engine I have ever seen. Drove parts car just like it down the road one day that had baseball size hole in front of block shooting oil out 20 feet running on 3 cyl vibrating like crazy but but Car never stopped running lol. I finally just removed the engine and replaced it
Hey, Eric, do you have a trick to lining up the timing marks?
I dunno what he does but I usually turn them to where they belong
Not really, I just line them up and install the belt.
Erick how many miles did the Camry have ??? Had they ever replaced the timing belt on that car ??? I had a 98 Camry until the head gasket went at 500,000 miles..
Sorry, I don't have that info.
What a solid chunk of vehicle.
I'm guessing it's ok to crank the engine because any damage would already be done? (bent valves). It's the main reason i don't care for interference engines. They could at least use a chain (which in my experience get noisy as hell, but don't break)