Zak George Reaction Video - The Dog Is A Liability To Zak. Trainers Are Scared of Dogs.
The dog is a liability, and it's not just Zak, it's pretty much all dog trainers from PP/PR to balanced and everything in between. Trainers declare aggression to be a condition that is not fixable. Hence the reason for "control and management". Zak mentions that it could be a lifelong management for the dog. And that's not fair - at all.
Aggression is a symptom, the outcome of a problem - it is a behaviour. The science of behavior is understanding causes - and nobody seems to care about the cause anymore. Just train the dog - but you can't "train" behaviours and what you're seeing is the result.
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As a trainer who works with difficult dogs, I wish Zak would stay in his lane... trick training and maybe puppy training. He's completely inept and I think he knows it. He's just too busy these days trying to destroy other trainers. He's made so many rookie mistakes in just the first few minutes of this video that he's the worst trainer for this dog.
Behaviors are never a training issue in the first place.
Said it perfectly. I have a friend who does positive only training she stays with small friendly and insecure anxious dogs she does AMAZING with them, Infact I've given many clients over to her like anxious greyhound or vizsla I've trained that I had no idea wtf to do with. She has also given me MANY of her clients that come to her ( aggressive pitbull, rottweiler, high drive shepherds etc ) there's a place for this type of training. And Zack wants to believe this is thee only way. If all dog trainers could just stop being such whiny little shits and making it political, all dogs would be in a much better place. My good friend, if I had a client with a collie puppy, or even english lab for a family, I'd happily send to her as she has immaculate conception of these dogs and is amazing with those type especially starting as puppies. If she has someone with a young Italian mastiff she is sending them to me immediately. Things don't have to be so fucking complicated
If you are familiar with the movie, Contact, Zach is the David Drumlin character. Has a smooth approach, counts on the public's ignorance and plows ahead.
I totally agree with you. I work with aggressive dog and it so obvious that he doesn’t know how to read a dog body language.
@@littlewigglemonster7691Exactly. All we ALL want at the end of the day is a better relationship with our dogs and useful training that works for our dogs. Drop the drama and politics, and stop circling the wagons. Before this, I only saw 1 video of Zaks, and that was his #3 in a 6 part series to train a dog to walk with manners on a loose leash. It was 20 minutes long and edited heavily for time, and little progress was made with the dog, so at the end he popped in content with walking between his legs and such to try and keep people interested I guess. I hit the back button and the next video I found a balanced dog trainer that had a 15-20 minute video with a 4 YO GSD with no leash training, and with 75% of the video being narration, at the end, his 5 YO daughter was walking the dog on a loose leash. Thus, why I never went to look at any of Zak's content.
Zak George is a master of avoidance. I repeatedly see response videos, comments, and now reaction videos with the same sentiment - he’s in over his head when it comes to training difficult dogs. He sits in a glass house and throws stone after stone, and he will not acknowledge the stones thrown back. It’s really sad to see and even dangerous for him to act like his way is the only correct way.
I think you hit the keyword there... "Dangerous" - he's showing that he's literally afraid of these dogs and I suspect avoids working with them to not have the liability of someone being hurt because they had "positively related" with their dog, yet were not in control. My German Shepherds have all loved me and without a doubt would give their lives to protect me- one almost did trying to discourage a 12-13' alligator by running back and forth just out of it's reach and the gator DID back down and retreat to the water. 30+ years of owning GSDs and I've NEVER had one unjustifiably or even un-commanded bite. A couple known by all the kids in neighborhood would do tricks for them with great pleasure (and the parents approval). But these dogs were also trained with a balance of correction and reward. Call me old school, but I've heard of a "behaviorist" who had to rehome a dog that he "just couldn't connect with". Huh? I've worked with truly large and dangerous rescues... once trained well over 100 were rehomed with perhaps only 5-6 unable to be rehomed with kids or other dogs.
Zak is a dyed in the wool narcissist. He has flying monkeys who bow and scrape at his every serving of word salad.
@@TomRolfson I dunno if you’ve seen it recently but this joker just got a Cane Corso puppy. We’re about to see his shortcomings happen in real time I believe.
@@Anna-rv3fv I cannot lie, I spend NO time watching Zak.... so no, I hadn't seen that. And yes, this should prove interesting. While CCs CAN be gentle giants, they are strong-willed. How will holding a treat out and calling it sweetly work if it decides it wants to chase the neighbor's Poodle? I just watched someone who had been through SIX... yes SIX "Trainers" who could not get a German Shepherd puppy to accept a leash and being "asked" to walk anywhere on the leash. None would use a prong collar. A GOOD/REAL Trainer put a 2.5mm prong collar on, that dog was HAPPILY heeling, sitting upon stop and already catching-on to free shaping in less than 2hrs. The owner was at the end of their rope... almost giving-up and "knew they were doing it wrong"... because they'd hired six faux trainers to teach them nothing but a "nice theory".
@@TomRolfson this is what is so scary. If I wanted to get help with my dog, who can be a bit reactive on leash, who would I go to?? It seems like balanced trainers are nearly extinct. I think that’s why despite all the hate, trainers like Dog Daddy and Tom Davis are doing so well. Good for them. I hope they both make waves. The fact that Zak George calls his training a “revolution” is a joke. He, and anyone who perpetuates his ideology, is a disease to the dog training community.
I always thought that being calm and relaxed around dogs was a ground rule.. And yet, here we have someone callling himself a trainer while dancing around and waiving his hands like propellars in the face of a dog he does not know.. 🤷🏼♀️
Yep. Trainers have normalised the excited, it's all mental stimulation these days. What dogs really need is mental exercise. A run is physical exercise - the purpose for the run - the chase, that's the mental that dogs are missing. Everyone wants an overall calm dog. Calm dogs are never a problem but people don't know how to achieve it anymore.
Calm assertiveness is always best in my experience. That guy is no trainer. Not in my mind anyway. I never saw him pay a moment’s attention to the body language of the dog. That turned me RIGHT OFF.
@@roberthynesdogtrainingZack has more videos about Dog Daddy than his own training 😂😂😂
@@hersheywalker6447 Very true.
@@hersheywalker6447 I have a hard time watching DD - first of all the abuse. Second of all, he's lit up like a christmas tree - and wearing sunglasses. And people wonder why the dog lights up in his presence?
If I was a dog and I was next to ZG... I'd either bite him or quietly lift my leg for a little spray on his pants. 🐺
If a stranger started petting me on the head without permission, there will be a correction.
@@roberthynesdogtraining yeah it's amazing how few people seem to get that generally dogs don't like that pat on the top of the head thing. Certainly not the way to greet a dog you don't know. 🐺
@@mikey_atman Show a dog respect, you get it back. Give a dog trust and you have a friend for life. Dogs rarely get respect anymore, i rarely hear a trainer talk about respecting the dog. And they actively tell you not to trust the dog. There goes "mans best friend" in the garbage. Dogs can't hide their intention, people don't know what to look for anymore.
@@mikey_atman Most dogs also don't like to be hugged.
@@mikey_atman I think people should try this on positive trainers too!
They’re rewarding her being scared patting her being stressed and giving treats and he backed off when she snapped and taught her that’s what to do to get rid of him
Yep. When one understands Skinner and the quadrants, one realizes that Zak is actually punishing the dog then rewarding punishment. But calling it "positive reinforcement".
ZG is a blithering idiot and the fact that he’s popular shows how ignorant people are about dogs
Thanks for explaining these things in clear terms. Its exactly how i see things. I foster dogs for an animal rescue and they come in all kinds of emotional states. The first thing we have to establish is trust and a working relationship. Sometimes its a bit scary but giving them the space and time to come to you works best. Also thanks for pointing out that positive reinforcement isnt a technique or methodology. Zak was great at teaching kids how to do tricks with their dogs. He should have stayed in his lane.
That you for what you do. I have no real fear of dogs, but there have been a few that stood the hair up on my neck when they bluff charge to within inches. There are always moments to learn. Once positive and negative are truly understood, the dog becomes so easy.
I am so glad you've covered this, what a fantastic review. I love your perspective and had enough of this Zak George nonsense. We need more people like you on the internet. Thank you ❤
Thank you. I'm trying to change peoples way of thinking.
I’ve just got a 6-month old stray puppy from a shelter. Been in a clicker training session once. They said,- Oh, look who’s come! We have an impulsive one here! Thank you for the video.. I’ll never go to that training again. I feel my dog is more than that.
In reality, Zak George is a person who speaks without reasoning, he sounds polite but has no common sense, he talks a lot about other trainers like dog daddy, wasting their time because each trainer has their own style and negative reinforcement is necessary for correction in most cases of aggressive dogs. Good content Robert
Zak has zero education and he's not even certified in anything. Zak is a great marketer, that's all he is. He loves punishing and disrespecting dogs and he likely doesn't realize it.
@@roberthynesdogtrainingYES!!!! I AGREE 💯 AND I AM SO SO GLAD YOU CALLED HIM OUT! YOU HAVE A NEW FOLLOWER HERE!!
Zak is a bonafide Karen all day.
You are 100 percent correct in your assessments of this situation. It's actually quite sad, and potentially dangerous; the aversive muzzle is actually making things worse.. That's an otherwise gorgeous and capable GSD that's being treated like a poodle. And everyone wonders why WH Commander bites smh.
Zak is literally punishing the dog, and rewarding punishment. And people wonder why it doesn't work?
To be fair, I don't think Biden's dogs really have ANYTHING to do with him, they likely have handlers that are not trainers and/or were trained for protection work and not handled by people who know how to handle a protection dog. It's just a big mess... their "his dogs" in title only, he's never trained or cleaned-up after one once. I'd not even be surprised if the time he "tripped over" one wasn't the dog being aggressive (potentially in play) with him and he simply fell over as result.
This poor dog didn’t get enough time with her mum as a puppy but is very good at communicating in dog language regardless she is a very good dog the humans aren’t listening to her. She doesn’t need treats she needs the owners to listen to her corrections.
The most talkative dog trainer in the world and that is Zach George. Fake dog trainer or just puppy trainer. That is why he is so jealous of dog daddy. He can't do what dog daddy does to those aggressive dogs...
There is no such thing as an aggressive dog. That's the joke of all this.
@@roberthynesdogtrainingwhat would you call a dog that enters the others space and actively attacks as the aggressor? Not every bite or snap is a distance creating behavior. You seem to acknowledge that dogs recognize dominance, I have seen many dogs try and dominate others, and start fights unprovoked.
@@tristan1505 I would say that's a dog that has not been socialised. Dom/sub is sorely misunderstood. I've watched females in dog parks beg to be dominated by a male dog. And that's what's supposed to happen.. Even in human dom/sub relationships, the sub is in control - they are supposed to be. Dominance by force isn't dominance - it's abuse.
All he did was talk and feed the dog. What did he do for the dog? 😢
It's a great question. But Zak won't answer it.
Dogs should not be pet on top of the head by strangers period.
Not the first video of him doing that
Love your honesty, man. Watching Zach is like watching a Monty Python sketch. Hilarious.
Thank you.
Excellent review, pointing out body language signals and explaining what's going on there from this dog's perspective. It boggles my mind how, especially in the US it seems, EVERYONE seems to be so darned obsessed about their dog letting strangers pet them!?!?! Even big-ass Mastiffs like Corsos, their owners are having people barge right in and grab and hug that dog. It's a big MAYBE for even a well-socialized Corso (or guardian breed in general) to accept that without "correcting" such a mindless move. I never, ever, allow anyone to even try "saying Hi!" to my Mastiff girl, hell no, if someone wants to speak with me, the dog is in heel position and I step slightly in front of her, just in case the person makes a sudden movment that triggers her. My default answer to people wanting to interact with her is "She doesn't trust strangers, so I prefer to keep distance." Invariably, they THEN ask "Oh, does she bite?", and my response to THAT is " I DON'T KNOW - BUT better to not try and find out." I'm so sick and tired of all those stupid people out there thinking other people's dogs are playthings they can use to please their needy inner child or something. Hence we moved to a very remote location, in the mountains, where dogs like my girl were bred to guard farms and flocks. HERE, funnily enough, not a single person ever asked to "say Hi" to my guard dog, as it's understood by the locals here in "big farm dog country" that YOU DON'T GO NEAR OTHER PEOPLES GUARD DOGS. - With the Beagles, different story altogether, those enjoy social interaction a ton, and again, people here respond in kind and then everyone is happy. It's actually quite remarkable to me how tuned-in the more "old-fashioned" people of Portugal are into dog body language; I've learned a lot from the local villagers about reading, and influencing, dogs.
I agree...I visited my son's new Workshop on a farm with my Whippet a year or so ago- and son met us on the lane leading to the Farm to introduce the Farm Collies to us- I didn't attempt to touch them, or look at them, just ignored them til they approached me calmly - even then I didn't touch them. No way would I have walked up to the farm without in 'intro' first.
@18:40 Yes! Louder for the people in the back! A trainer can spend a week working with you and your dog, but if you don't do your part and put what we show you into practice, you're relationship with your dog will never improve. A trainer working flawlessly with your dog just means that the trainer and your dog have a good relationship, because the trainer understands how to work your dog and what it needs. It's a proof of concept and nothing more. Your dog will still look at you as not being a leader if you don't change as the handler. Successful dog training is not DOG training, it's people training. We teach you, the handler, how to teach and lead your dog.
Thank you. I'm so glad people see the reality.
His hands whirl around like a helicopter 🚁 lol I'm surprised the dog doesn't take offense to that 😂. He doesn't know what to do with the dog. Management forever is so true they just avoid all the triggers and walk at night etc to avoid as they distract distract with treats.
I love that you're doing this video about Zak George!! Can't stand the guy...he likes to tear other dog trainers down and call them abusers, tries to ruin their lives and careers yet he will NEVER show how he deals with SERIOUSLY aggressive dogs. Zak needs to stick with his lil puppies and treats training and leave the tough stuff to the BIG GUYS! Zak George is just an idiot! And I love that u called him out!!
No, Zak needs to go work at McDonalds where he can't do any harm. Zak screwed up his own dog Inertia, and people cheered it on.
wow gosh. Any videos on that?@@roberthynesdogtraining
@@roberthynesdogtraining Inertia - seems - better now, she certainly is listening to him a lot more, but that could be a misconception as Zak is rarely in urban environments anymore, so she does not see 'the real world' with the distractions most dogs have to deal with.
@@EvelineUK When I watched the video of Inertia terrified in a dog park while Zak flapped his gums at the camera? I didn't have any respect for the man at that point - and I have far less now. How much damage has Zak done just over inertia? People believe in this - the man screwed up his own dog big time and people cheered it on.
@@roberthynesdogtrainingvery sad. My heart hurts for his poor dog
Hi, I have followed Zac since I got my rescue in November and everything I’ve tried has failed. Then today I found your video. Can you recommend a good resource then to train my dog?
One can't train behaviours, one need to understand why the behaviours exist and focus on that. I honestly don't care that a dog is showing aggression or reactivity, all animals can do that - I need to understand the why. Behaviours are only symptoms, the outcome of a problem. That takes discussion. If you're willing and on facebook, join my group and I"ll try to help you understand. facebook.com/groups/540079038188077
Thank you I’ve requested it
5:50 I thought so. I am 4 month into a rescued Husky (now 22 month old). She is best behaved when we go on bike rides. She is most destructive when left alone by herself. 6:56 after running away from me (three times) when I first got her, she follows me everywhere now. I believe (I have no science to prove it), because unlike the two previous owners, my husky and I have built a symbiotic relationship. BTW we are less than perfect, and a work in progress.
Focus on the relationship - that bond between animals based on mutual trust and respect. That's what builds confidence in any relationship.
Zak is obsessed with Dog Daddy and I would have ZERO confidence in him if he showed up to my home.
Subscribed 💪 You’re very observant and explain things in a way I think makes sense 🙏
Thank you.
7 mins in and Zak is whipping out the treats
Treats fix everything right? Treats actually make things worse - the dog is actually being punished and Zak is rewarding punishment. But, lets call it "positive reinforcement".
@@roberthynesdogtraining I made a huge mistake and followed trainers like this with my pup. Now I have a 2 year old working line Springador that does tricks for treats - no treat and he will listen when he wants to. He hasn’t been a happy dog, he doesn’t know his job and can sometimes be stressed out when he doesn’t know what he should be doing. I’m in the process of retraining him
@@toadintheh0le It's never too late to change. Stop training, focus on relationship - that's how you build a happy dog. Find the dog a job, a purpose in life - find a good analogy for what they are bred for. Springers are bird dogs. They would excel at scent work. Some owners buy a RC truck, put a bit of scent on it - either bird scent or urine and let the dog track it. Tie an actual dead bird to it, let the dog find it.
Brilliant, Robert and thankyou for not finishing the video because I was face palming from the beginning.
Pretty hard to watch.
I very much liked this video - great talking thru and analysis of the “Zak” approach
There are other reaction videos to balanced as well. I'm on the fence about doing more.
Force free trainers be like "if we feed them enough treats, they'll be too obese to lash out or chase x, y , and z" lmao
That's pretty much it. Treats are actually punishment in the behavior ring. Positive Reinforcement is actually punishment overall.
Let force free trainers apply their psychology with being mugged. They use an imbalanced system because it cannot be applied across a spectrum of species.
@@madmaxx5612 There is no such thing as a force free trainer - there's the joke. We think of force as physical, trainers sell force as physical only - but it goes deeper than that. Positive reinforcement is a desire that all animals have, not something you apply.
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@@roberthynesdogtrainingThat makes absolutely no sense
I just found this video I don’t know how and you sound like you’re very good behaviorist I’m gonna look at some others that you have on KZhead. Not sure if you post weekly or monthly or whenever you have time but looking forward to a new one. Thank you.
I'm not a behaviourist per say, but once you understand what a behaviour is - then you realize that "training" a behaviour is impossible. Lots of videos, and I create/upload as needed.
@@roberthynesdogtraining oh thank you I’m going in to look.
Thank u!! More like this please!!! I’m so interested in dog science , behaviour and body language. I have a golden retriever and want to help him in all ways I can Thank u!!
Thanks. Any requests from specific trainers? i'm going to do more of Zak in the next couple of days. I think it's important for owners to understand what positive reinforcement is - and the damage it's doing. So too with balanced.
@@roberthynesdogtraining anything really! I’m just looking to learn and better help my dog. Your knowledge and voice overs really helped break everything down. I really loved it If u have any advice on a reactive dog with gravel and garbage trucks that would be 😊
@@roberthynesdogtraining also I think it’s taken me twice as long to train max with all the conflicting advice and information out there People like zac really confused me Need more videos breaking things down so we can really understand
I'll do whatever I can to help you. Do you have any video of your dog displaying the behaviours that concern you? It would really help to see the body language. Is there a video that I can react to that can help? If you're on FB, feel free to join my little group if you want, you can post anonymously. facebook.com/groups/540079038188077
I just added a couple of new ones that will likely help you understand.
I 100% agree most people buy a dog because they like how they look and never give any thought to what that dog was bred to do this is terrible. Dogs want to work not just sit there and be stroked on top of the head or thrown a treat once in a while. If we understood really understood they need a job they want to be fulfilled and as you said respected we’d receive that in return
Exactly. If you don't invest in a dogs genes, then don't blame genetics for the outcome.
Unfortunately, there are lot of big powerful in the cities where they can't do what they were bred to do. Even some medium sized dogs bred to herd cattle like corgis or other smaller dogs bred to hunt rats or moles have become lapdogs. They can't run around on city streets like they can do in farmland. Dog parks are conducive to dog fights and not for running around, based on that old trainer from Leerburg channel. If only city folks buy lapdog as pets then there will be less issues about dog aggression that we see more in cities. Those on farms can also have issues as well like some videos I saw a long time ago with Cesar Milan. That American bulldog liked nipping a horse. Of course, I have to make an exception with fighting dogs that were bred to maul other dogs, not wolves or bears to protect the flock.
@whatevergoesforme5129 agreed. A good dog is a tired dog and a tired dog is also a good dog. We need to honor their genetics and if we aren't in an environment where they can do what they were bred to do, then we have to find activities that either mimic their jobs or wear them out by exercise, long walks, socialization, ect. Training also wears them out. My dog goes into his cage to go to sleep without me putting him in there. I take him to Home Depo, then Pet Smart, then a long walk in the trail next to home depo. We will be out for 2 hours and that's only one walk of three for the day. The evening walk before bed knocks him out. He's snoring right now. He needs all that exercise to wear him out if not, he can cause alot of damage in my house. I keep him busy all day when I'm home. I have socialized him since he was 7 weeks old. He is now 160lbs and 14 months. He will be getting more training all his life or until he's too old.
Hello, Do you have any tips for dogs who resource guard? She is a 1 year old Labrador retriever who guards her food and directs her agression towards us and our other dog. Is it best to keep her on a leash while she is eating to correct her if she trys to bite? We also are trying her on an e collar
Do you understand what's causing the food aggression? This is where troubleshooting comes in. If you can't understand the behaviour, then you'll never fix it. Behaviours are not fixable conditions - one needs to understand the cause, focus on the cause. Right now, you're focused on the outcome of the problem - the symptoms. It's akin to your car not starting, what's the problem. Where do you start looking? Can you by chance get it on video?So much easier if I can see what's happening.
I am in the UK and one of our TV trainers said food time is the highlight of any animal's day so - never attempt to take food from a dog until it has finished eating and walked away from the bowl, keep other dogs away so there's no fear of its food being taken. Start by placing an empty bowl down and gradually adding the dogs food in small amounts - it will then have a good association with being given food. Do this a few times a day to reinforce good behaviours. Also, giving extra high value treats during food eating will help the dog look forward to being given meals by its owner. Ensure the dog can always eat in peace and quiet. Hope this may help. Please don't bring in an ecollar to cause the dog more insecurity and distress - as it will then associate eating with fear and pain and will get worse. Good luck!
@@suebrown7882 I wish people would explore the channel before posting. I'm neither balanced or PR - I don't use quadrants. I don't use treats, and I don't use tools of any kind. But you see, this is the problem - you're either balanced or PR - there is nothing else - and that's what owners are convinced of.
@@suebrown7882sometimes I hand feed my dog, I can reach for his food and take his food away. He has no food aggression towards me but I'm not sure how he would react towards others doing the same thing. He's not a small dog and I'm the only one that feeds him.
Have you tried using the food as reward? In other words take each piece/pieces of kibble and use it to reinforce good behaviors outside or around the house. Try teaching both your dogs the leave it trick. HOWEVER if you feel uncomfortable find a behaviorist.
Oh thank god someone is talking about this. These "trainers" like this "Zak" are a disaster for dogs..they don't understand dogs, make supernice videos, talking shit to make people like them..all these food givers do is just because they are scared of dogs, but they want money so bad at the same time. So they do what people like - sweet videos with dogs, treats, full of smile and hapiness. None of this would upset me if it didn't directly hurt the dogs. And I love dogs. That's why I decided to work with dogs - I want to help them, not to profit from them. What these fake trainers do is just disgusting. 🤮
I'm the same. I want to help owners to understand their dogs and find a better way. Dogs are amazing, moreso than humans.
So far almost every client I’ve had, has been purely down to lack of exercise, socialisation, stimulation and lack of purpose, these are then exacerbated with the issues being nurtured by the handler. Like you say, nobody is removing the cause of the issue, only subjugating te dog to ‘behave’ despite the catalyst with ‘behaviour management’. So good to see someone else listening to the dog! Channel subbed ✌🏼
Thank you. You are correct.
I know that Cesar Milan and Dog Daddy got bashed for their tactics but most of the time, the dogs are not muzzled.
I don't like Cesar's methods, but his messages are bang on. I wouldn't compare Cesar to Dog Daddy - dog daddy should be in jail for his antics and abuse inflicted on dogs. Cesar understands the underlying cause of the dogs issues, he's focused on the underlying cause. Dog Daddy could give a shit about the cause -with him, it's all about suppression. Show me the money baby cause someone is paying for that vette and all the flash. At $1500 a private session?
Loved your commentary!
Thank you. I just want people to understand.
Good to see this proper analysis here. It's hard to find any positive trainers, especially this Zak, guy even trying with aggressive/reactive dogs. It is actually incredible he has so many followers.
Zak, like most other trainers are salesmen, that's it. They have no skills with dogs at all. Go ask trainers to define what a behaviour is. I'm willing to bet that none of them can. Once you understand what a behaviour is - then "behavioural modification" training is out the window. So is behavioural euthanasia.
I have a reactive dog. The e collar had little effect on him. When it would come off. He went back to his old shenanigans. When I tried to stand my ground when he would bite me it only made him more worked up. When I started being more affectionate with him. He started to chill out. I grew up in an abusive home. When people yell at me I fight back. Just like my dog would do if he's cornered. When my dig sees an e collar or a prong collar. He runs away. I sent him to a trainor. And the e collar conditioning didn't stick.
thanks for explaining and giving clear insight came from DD and got recommended Zak and thankfully a lot of Good trainers putting record straight over his bad methodology after i watched him and Zak just reminded me of issues with youth today rewarding for bad behavior and then locking them up when people had enough we see how that is playing out with rampant jump in crime and repeat offenders
It's all common sense and so simple when understood isn't it?
@@roberthynesdogtraining with good people like yourself breaking it down it sure is
Thank you for doing this video.
I'm so mad because 2 wks ago my condo complex decided to institute a ban on "aggressive dog breeds". They made a list. My dog is Alaskan Malamute/German Shepherd. He's never made an aggressive move towards anyone!
There is no such thing as an "aggressive" dog. When one understands behaviour...
@@roberthynesdogtraining I agree. It's crazy to label an entire breed aggressive.
We had a malamute crossed woth a German shepard and Rottweiler. He was the nest dog ever. Loved us kids and was so funny. My mom took him to school for show and tell and used broccoli and carrots as treats. 😅
There are so many different opinions on KZhead about the correct way to train a dog, it’s a bit confusing. I plan on getting a puppy in the future, and am wondering if the behavior of the dog in the video was due to the lack of training/ socialization when the dog was younger? Also, if I get local basic training for my dog and make sure I socialize it while getting the dog it’s adequate exercise, that I will not run into the problem this trainer has in the video?
Hi Poser. The real issue here is that you cannot train behaviours in the first place. Behaviours are not conditions at all - let alone conditions you can fix. Aggression and reactivity are not a diagnosis. Something is causing the behaviour, aggression and reactivity are outcomes of cause. There are many things that can cause aggression. Frustration, fear, diet, lack of purpose, the list goes on. What makes you angry? What makes you aggressive? What scares you? What makes you reactive? Understand that, and you'll understand your dog. Relationship, not training my friend. I didn't put an ounce of formal training into my dog. I have a great dog.
I have a loving secure GSD/Husky mix 2.5 yrs old. When I take him out and people ask if he bites (He is a big boy 26" at the shoulder and 90 lbs) I tell them only if you hit me. He is great at reading people and has lunged to bite at a homeless guy who at a stop light had asked for a cig. As I was handing it to him and about at my steering wheel with it he reached in the window, bad move my dog was half in my lap from the back seat and snapped at him when I got my arm in front of him and pushed him back. I handed the cig the rest of the way rolled up my window and praised the heck outta my good boy.
I love Tom Davis take on this - just because you see a dog it does not give you permission to go get in its face. How would you like it if some stranger got into your personal space to say hi, I think you are adorable and try to touch you. SAME THING. Disrespect is so key with dogs.
Tom Davis? The man that goes to war with every dog he meets? The man that's full of bravado that's scared of dogs? I would pay to see Tom meet and work with dogs the way I do. No tools, no muzzle, nothing. Shutting down behaviours results in a dog that will never be trusted - the dog is a liability and always will be to Tom. kzhead.info/sun/Y7eMes2Nsaisa6s/bejne.html
But what confuses me a bit is, why must your dog be friendly with strangers who approach them??? I never let anyone randomly come up to pet my beautiful black GSD. I need her to protect me from strangers when necessary lol. That being said we can walk on the street comfortably without her lunging at people. SHE is allowed to approach and get to know who I want her to know and that is done step by step.
B.F Skinner, the man blamed for all this dog training nonsense would tell you this. Negative reinforcements are the things you don't want in your life. If you're scared of spiders, then spiders are a negative reinforcement to you. You have 3 options - you can fight, flight, or become indifferent - overcome the fear, make it not a big deal. Positive reinforcement is also the act of taking steps of removing negative reinforcements. Your fight or flight, that's your positive reinforcement - same goes for your dog. Positive and negative reinforcement needs to be looked at through the animals eyes. When your dog barks at strangers - strangers are a negative reinforcement to your dog. Imagine, you're scared of spiders and there are spiders everywhere. This is your dog - constant fear, constant reaction. What you're looking for is for everything to become not a big deal - indifferent. It doesn't mean your dog needs to like people and run up to every person. It means they can exist around all these things and they don't need to react. Advocating for your dog isn't what you think it is either. You need to become your dogs protector. Nobody runs up to my dog and pets him, I don't allow it. You show him some respect, give him the choice to come to you - and he will always respond positively.
This dog is beautiful, and what is wrong with a dog being "selective" as to who they meet? the person might just be a threat to the dog, or worse in the dog's eyes a threat to it's human. So they have every right to be selective as to who they will allow to approach them, or their owner. As this woman states if she lets someone into the house the dog is usually very friendly and sometimes even bring it's toy's to the stranger. why? because the owner has already "informed" the dog that it is a friend, by owner opening the door and letting the stranger into their home. RH, I can tell you right now what Zak's reaction would be if the muzzle was not on the dog, at 9.53 as the dog goes to smell him, Zak is actually backing away from the dog. If that muzzle was not on, "Zak would not even be in the same house, on the same street or even in the same county, with this dog! this might have been the first video I have ever watched of Zac, and I can assure you, I will never watch another. So I want say to a "Big Thank you" to you, as now I know, not to ever watch any of this annoying idiot's videos
She is a beauty. It's not so much selective, she wants people to respect her. To give her choice, but... What she offered up to Zak was a correction for being disrespectful. You're right, Zak is scared and this is all a show. I'm still trying to find one PR trainer that shows how they deal with aggression on camera.
So I need a little help with my dog… my dog is an Australian shepherd bloodhound American pitbull terrier mix. He is extremely food motivated and doesn’t want to do anything that I ask him to do unless I have food in my hand. How do I for one get him to listen to me without having to bribe him and get him to trust me trust me more. I dog sit and he’s constantly stressed out trying to control the other dogs. I have tried almost everything. I don’t know how to become the leader he needs me to be.
You have to stop dog sitting for awhile and work one on one with your own dog. Stop the treats so attention and praise and other things become the motivators. For example, I have a reactive dog, he gets reinforcement and great pleasure from watching things. At first he would flip out at said thing so I would walk him away and redirect him so he couldn’t see it. Eventually found and expanded on his threshold to where I could ask for him to sit or lay down calmly. If he was calm, he could watch the thing. Not calm, no watching. Now he can be off leash and looking at a cat and he will sit or lay down vs mad barking/lunging. The behavior he wanted to do in the first place “staring” became the reward, then he learned how to do it acceptably
Bro, I have a dog that lives by me that looks and acts like this dog. It's tried to attack me and my pup multiple times and it wears a mussels just like this. I've tried to tell them to control it but I get the feeling that the kind of enjoy the behavior! I really don't wanna blast this dog of the planet. What can I do to resolve the issue? I've tried to call the police but they seem to act like this dog is a saint. What should I do??
Would you say the dog is getting their needs met? Dogs don't bite or go on the attack for no reason - there is always a reason. I doubt there is much you can do other than try to make friendly.
@@roberthynesdogtraining as far as them taking care of the dog? I'd say yes. But they let it out lose all the time. And he's tried to bite me on several occasions. He comes in my yard and pisses and pops. I'm guessing it's a dominance thing. But I have a presa that he hates maybe even more than me! I don't want there to be a fight when he gets older. The owners say he's good with them and their family but that means nothing for me! I've come close to ending this dog multiple times. And I feel as tho I shouldn't be put in that kind of situation for irresponsible owners.
@@stormb8433 Yep. Irresponsible owners. Dogs need a job, a purpose in life, and many don't have one so they create a purpose. These dogs need to get out and run and chase. Unless you're willing to work with the dog, I don't know what you can do. Start recording and show the owners.
Is approaching a stranger dog from their side and avoid eye contact a good way to introduce yourself to any dog?
I always squat down a few feet away, let the dog make the choice to invade my space to say hello.
All the mentions of B. F. skinner takes me back to my University days study Special Education (behavioral ‘disorders’) and child psychology. The building all my classes were in was named for him. And the place was a frickin’ make. No matter how many days/years you spent there you de always get lost at least once. I always thought it was the architect’s little joke on us. Especially as Skinner had moved away from rats & mazes, made it rather ironic.
Even Zak admits that "dog training" IS "operant conditioning" which is the "quadrants of dog training". Positive and negative reinforcement, Positive and negative. How do trainers define "operant conditioning"? A method of behavioural modification using rewards and punishments. Does that sound like Skinner to you? Not to me. I love psychology. Hung by Jung.
zak is so damn annoying. He thinks he is so intelligent, even as his ignorance shines through his bullshit. I don't necessarily agree 100% with some of your stances, but they are at least well thought out and plausible. zak's thoughts are very childlike in depth, and seem to be based on his interpretation of crap he has read and not based on personal knowledge or discovery. good video...
Mind me asking what stances you don't agree with? Always open to hear it.
Great video! I have a masters in behavior analysis and had to extensively learn about Skinner. I think people hear “positive reinforcement” or “ negative reinforcement” and use those words without fully understanding what skinner meant by them. Positive isn’t always good and negative isn’t always bad. It refers to the presentation of a stimulus (positive) or the removal of a stimulus (negative) increasing the likelihood of behavior. I never understood why these trainers focus on “positive reinforcement” like it’s the only “good” method. Clearly, they don’t have a basic understanding of behavior.
When I got to reading About Behaviorism, that book really got me thinking. Everyone is trying to control dogs, and oddly enough, Skinner would call that exploitation. But dog trainers blame him for it all. Skinner was a dangerous man. He figured us out by experimenting on other animals.
New subscriber here as you really know what you are talking about. 👍
Much appreciated. If you have any questions.
@@roberthynesdogtraining Thankyou so much.
@@roberthynesdogtraining Actually, I do have a question which gets tossed around and I get so many different answers fom Vets and dog owners. When would you suggest to get a dog desexed? I will be getting my new GSD in 6-12 months. I always thought 6-8months is suitable?
@@neenekinskins6241 I have never desexed a dog in my life, never will. There is zero benefit to desexing. Then people scream pyometra? But they don't realize that pyometra is caused by an e-coli infection - from dog food. When a female is in heat, things are swollen and susceptible - poop comes out just above. Ask your vet about vasectomy or tubal ligation, hormone saving operations that are quick with very fast recovery. Every time I ask, I get laughed at. I'll let a vet explain it, she does a great job. Dr. Karen Becker, she's what vets call "fringe". But I would take her on as my vet without question. kzhead.info/sun/mNKJc755aIl8fpE/bejne.html
@@roberthynesdogtraining hmmmm, interesting. Will read up on that. Thanks.
I correct my dog if does something wrong. If my dog feel fear, I ignore, if my dog feel fear and misbehave, I correct.
You're working backward like everyone else - and that's a result of training. I don't correct dogs. I don't ignore fear. Fear is lack of trust and every time a dog shows fear, I take it as a chance to earn trust. When a dog trusts you 100%, they won't need to be afraid at all - because they know you have their back, that you won't put them in harms way.
Ok lol I was in an interview with 2 other people to work at a board and train that does basic house dog obedience. The other 2 had formal training experience and when the interviewer asked if anyone had ever been bit I was the only one who raised my hand. I was wondering how someone trains dogs and never gets bit. I had gotten bit by a female GSD that was a stray during COVID and my female spayed was great with the strange dog for weeks as I was trying to find a rescue to take her, then she went into heat and all bets were off. Like an idiot when I was home for a fight I called my dog off and she backed down then I stuck my hand in... the bite didn't do any lasting damage and as soon as the stray realized it wasn't fur she got she released. Still not afraid of dogs after that it was my fault.
Really enjoyed this video
Thank you. There are lots more.
If you watch trainers who have to deal with aggressive or "last stop" dogs, you ALWAYS hear from the owners of other trainers failing on the dog. Those are the Zak trainers of the world.
Balanced is no better.
@@roberthynesdogtraining I think balanced is better than Zak "training".
@@machone539 Why? I don't. None of it is any good.
What about the harness? All a harness does is help the dog pull. Put a prong collar on dog and teach them riht from wrong. Good decisions get rewarded, bad ones, get corrections. Make training fun and let them figure our impulse control. It helps to know your dog as well!! I believe every moment of the day is a trainable moment. Every situation can include some training. Dogs like to please their owners. Respect works both ways and there should ALWAYS be boundaries
Harnesses are designed for pulling, or carrying things. It's a tool for work. I don't reward anything. If you take a dog for a walk, and the dog is scared - by Skinners' definition, you are removing the dogs positive reinforcement - you are punishing your dog and rewarding that punishment. This is why it never fully works. As John Stodden says, when you start using high value anything - like treats or shock, it changes the repertoire of the animal, changes the relationship. And actually creates competing behaviours. To understand that, look up Skinners' Pigeon superstition. This is a real thing - food at the wrong time makes animals do stupid things to replicate what they did to get the reward. This is why I try to curb the use of "high value" like treats, prongs or shock - and try to get the owner to become the highest value treat in the dogs life. What kind of relationship do you want with your dog? A positive relationship or a punishment relationship. can't have it both ways.
You do what works for you because people will have their own opinions about training or for this guy non-training. If your dog is well-behaved and this behavior lasts, then good for you. The proof of the pudding is in the eating. The city was not the place dogs were bred for in the past but a lot of dogs are in cities so you have to navigate this reality of time and place and the dog's breed/genetics. It is what it is.
I have a dog that’s like this she does not want to interact with strangers that want to interact with her and do not give her the respect of space, but instead move in and want to stroke her, when she is clearly saying she doesn’t want this.
Monty is the same. I love when children are respectful with him, he struts right over for some loving. But be disrepectful and he wants nothing to do with you. Now that he's deaf, I have to ask people to show respect, don't sneak up on him - it startles him. He's super chill but I respect his choices.
Are you the captain from Jaws? Loved you in that film dude.
Are you on the right channel?
Aye Captain! Just finished reading your history of dog training blog, very interesting. I recently got my first dog, a lovely english black lab. Did all the PR, food and clicker shizzle but I quickly realised she was picking stuff up without needing all that. I felt she was learning via my body language and hand signals and I also felt she was trying to communicate her needs to me just as much as I was with her. So I stop speaking so much and started listening. Thar she blows Captain - fare thee well.@@roberthynesdogtraining
Yes dog looked very incomfortable and did not look at owner. Noticed dog was leaning against girl my dog does that she leans head against screen door to claim the door.
It's interesting to watch with a different perspective isn't it?
Your take on the situation with the door is incredibly bizarre, in my opinion.
@@hippiebits2071 what is your assessment?
@roberthynesdogtraining I would have to see it to offer further opinion.
@@hippiebits2071 Go find the video on his channel.
Did the woman say 'basket ' muzzle? 😅 nugget. He said it as well. It's a 'baskerville' muzzle. All he did was feed the dog 😂
He is outright disrespecting this dog - if the muzzle wasn't in play, Zak wouldn't be in play cause he would have taken a good correction. He deserves to get bit - but he won't allow it - cause he's scared of the dog. And he's not the only one.
my younger rottie lab is also very selective who she lets pet her on the head, she lets me do it even she doesnt really like it but others she kind of blows off, so if people want to pet her and im to let them i tell them to not go for the top of the head and go for the neck area instead. I became a dog trainer because everyone in the ++ comunity told me my older rottie lab is untrainable, after the firrst 3 years with that dog i had enough and wanted to train my dog to be a good service dog as she could perform her service task to me perfectly but her behavior was not where you'd want it in a service dog, so after spending really hard earned money for ++ training that did not work at all i went full Thanos on the problem and did it myself, that dog is now 9 and she is amazing, she is still learning even tho the++ trainers said she would never learn like that. With that said, i know im not as experienced as other trainers out there but i understand completely your points and agree with them dnd see the issues you mention already by myself before you point them out and love the explanations you give, they are easily understandable and even people that have initially no idea what you are talking about will understand your points. Very good video, i like your thinking as well, i just found this channell but i will check in with you a lot more now
Well, it sounds like you are on the right path. Patting a dog on the head is a dominance thing. My dog doesn't like it, though he tolerates it. I don't usually blast this around but... I don't know if it's nerves or impatience but once in a while I screw up and try to push the dog. Disrespect the dog and I get corrected. I don't blame the dog at all, this was completely my fault. I earned it, and that's why I don't muzzle dogs. Had I run, it wouldn't have ended well. This is Fred's positive reinforcement, the removal of negative reinforcement. kzhead.info/sun/Z5iMnKePrZWeiZs/bejne.html
@@roberthynesdogtraining i completely understand, i have that problem as well with impatience, especially when i see a dog do really good i try to push for more and it always backfired on me as well so im slowly learning to not do it as much. I think its important for all of us that work with dogs to be critical of ourselves more than the others are because if we are honest with ourselves we can spot the mistakes we make on our own and find our own solutions and thus the growth you make as a trainer is more significant and more impatcfull for us. I also find my clients to have a bit of trouble with understanding what respecting the dog means as they really dont understand dogs, so i find myself explaining that part alot and repeating it so much its basically drilled in my brain now. I like how you dont hang on the mistakes you make but recognize them and grow from them instead, im yet to get good at that i tend to kick myself way too much when i make a mistake and hang on it for way too long, i usually also take a break from training when i make such a mistake, just so i can write it down so i can work through it later on my own if i see the need and i take a moment to calm down. I never worked a muzzled dog, when a client brings me the dog with a muzzle, as soon as the client is out the door so is the muzzle. I dont usually work the dogs of my clients in front of the client, they tend to be a distraction and a deteriment to most of the training, i train owners separately from the dogs before i get them both in the same room as me, i dont start off with the client present usually, unless the problem is in the trust between the dog and the owner, in such a case i would probably start with both, at least in the few such cases i had so far i started with both on advice of my mentor and it turned out to be the right thing to do.
@@weedhigh2564 It took me alot of years to learn that everything that happens is in the past already, can't change it, learn from it, don't dwell on it. Every dog teaches us something, and sometimes it comes with a lesson in respect. Remember, trust and respect is earned. So too is mistrust and disrespect. Give a dog respect, you get it back. Earn their trust and you get "mans best friend". You and I sound alot alike. The dog tends not to be the problem. If you have any videos, I'd love to see them.
In the UK we would call him a 'prized prick'..
I like that. Bull Terriers are rare to see around here, love the breed. Like a 2 year old dressed in a dog suit.
This dog has no leadership. No one understands her. She's on her own, feeling her way. A Baskerville muzzle is not a bad thing to use as part of a program (we may disagree there, Robert), but we haven't heard anything about that program, other than giving her treats, and stroking the top of her head, which hasn't worked so well for Zak, and which only reinforces her anxiety when her owner engages her in that way. You seem to be absolutely right that no one has yet taken a second to assess this dog. She seems to me to be a lot like my dog, who is acclimated to the very same muzzle for certain times and transitions, but who is off leash, no muzzle, 99.99% of the time, meeting and greeting other dogs and people, with my oversight and advocacy. I don't have a problem with the word "management." I have to manage her because I have responsibility for her. But I don't hear any relevant conversation (so far) about this dog's issues, and a program for going forward.
You're right. But muzzles are a hot topic for me. I don't use muzzles cause I don't want to take away a scared dogs ability to defend. I'm fallible, there have been times where I screwed up - and took the correction from the dog. Can you imagine being in a fear state - and I tie your hands behind your back so you can't defend? It's no different for the dog - it creates more insecurity and changes the repertoire of the animal - changes the game. Anything of high value does - muzzles, treats, shock, prong etc.
I put this comment and got no reaction from Zak I think what I'm talking about is quite self explanatory ..."OMG how depressing... no idea of Strong Positive Leadership at all. Zak is not a leader to the dog, just a playmate. He's clearly not developed that role, the dog likes him but does not respect him. Yes because the dog likes him, he's been able to develop a lot of obedience and they have a lot of fun together. But once the dog sees something it perceives as a "threat" it goes into stage 2 of the prey drive, which is staking, "eyeballing." Stage 3 would be the lunge/bark and chase. The root cause is partly fear and partly Protection. Because of Zak's general demeanour I think the dog has gone into Protection mode. Zak as leader did not even try to go into Protection Mode, the dog is in front acting on it's own imitative. Poor dog. Zak is giving absolutely no "body language" that indicates that he can deal with the threat so the dog takes over. This is what I would have done in those circumstances. Dog on long lead, can mooch and wander, sniff wherever it wants. I see a dog in the distance. Instant get the dog onto short leash, exactly by my side and close heel. All this can be trained with Positive Reinforcement. Walk briskly with me between my dog and the other dog, really important. I would watch my dog constantly and maintain engagement. Moment "eyeballing" starts, simple command, say NO or Leave it, divert dog's gaze, with a touch of the hand, jump into "Protection Mode," standing really solid, both legs locked, feet pointing directly at other dog, other hand on hip, and my dog directly behind me. The dog would pick up on my "body language" and feel protected and then not need to react. Why is Zak not doing this? "
Don't expect a trainer to explain the "science", it's not going to happen. There is no science backing this. Zak is more concerned about his face being on camera than the dog. Dog training really has become a spectator sport. Everyone is going to battle with the dog instead of trying to understand the behaviour.
I have seen Zak comment on a LOT of videos of smaller channels pushing back on what they have to say. Generally, he finds a flawed argument and attacks, or he finds areas where he can come up with a good rebuttal. I don't see him here. I wonder why
I'm pretty sure he's seen this. Zak won't reply to any comments I make to his channel. :D
@roberthynesdogtraining I've made many comments on videos that are very science centric. I've looked through some of the studies being used for all these conclusions, and I've found some very concerning points where I don't personally believe they should be used to advise the public, as he thinks they should be. I've directly challenged them, pointed out the poor data collection, missing data, lack of logical analysis, little to no raw data accompanying those studies, etc. No responses. Honestly though, as a Data Analyst who is not a professional dog trainer and has a couple of months in a bite suit working under mentors, someone like me should not be pointing out flaws in studies written by those who hold PhDs, nor should someone like me be able to point out flaws within an alleged experts training, as I made some of the same conclusions (not nearly as many) as you did.
@@jailenbailey When you're a liar and a fraud, you pick your battles carefully. this is why Zak and other trainers through the spectrum won't talk to me. They won't debate me. They know they are lying to dog owners, and they have to keep the lie going. If dog owners really understood the reality, they wouldn't be hiring dog trainers, they would be kicking their arses down the street. Positive Reinforcement isn't something you apply,, it's not a tool to use. It's a desire that all animals have, and PR has to be looked at through the animals' eyes. Negative reinforcements are the things you don't want in your life, the things that scare you etc. Fear and desire - negative and positive reinforcement. B.F Skinner defined positive reinforcement as the removal of negative reinforcement. He defined punishment as the removal of positive reinforcement. When you understand that, you realize quickly that Zak is punishing every dog - but calling it positive reinforcement. This is the joke played on dog owners. Anything "high value" like treats and shock are punishments. B.F Skinner is the father of "Operant Conditioning", there was no punishment in OC - Skinner railed against the use of punishment. So where did the punishment quadrants come from?? Not from Skinner. Trainers redefined "Operant Conditioning", created the quadrants as a result - and created this mess we have today and it's killing dogs in droves. You cannot train behaviours. The science of behaviour is understanding the causes of behaviour. But that science has been thrown in the garbage too. Trainers always pay lip service to the root cause - but focus on the symptoms called aggression and reactivity. Follow the money, and you'll understand how trainers turned dogs into a cash cow. Trainers tell you that you can't possibly help your dog on your own so "hire a trainer".
Gravy, Zac makes me want to bite him. Annoying guy
You're good! I'm glad I found you! I can completely sense with this dog what Zak cannot, and I'm not a professional trainer.
I am so glad some people can see through the nonsense.
Haha Robert, @ 8:12 you say the science of behavior is understanding the causes! Do you know what the cause is in this dog?
She's not a fear case. She's not an aggression case. But she will correct those that invade her space. Zak said it right on video - then he proceeds to prove it by disrespecting her. She tried to correct him - but the muzzle prevented it. People are disrespecting her and she doesn't like it. All she wants is respect. And that's sorely lacking today in human/dog relationships. It's people that need to be taught to respect all animal life - but we don't anymore. Humans have this measuring stick for life and intelligence and we are the only ones that can measure up.
@@roberthynesdogtraining I get your explanation but what's the dog underlying cause!? What makes her feel disrespected when Zak pets her on the head or is in her space?
@@chrisr-m6568 If I walked up to you as a stranger and started patting you on the head, you would correct me. If I walked up and started patting your kid on the head and scratching their ears, you would correct me. That's the animal that we are, it's no different for the dog. Patting a dog on the head is construed as dominance to dogs. My own dog is the most chill dog, but if I move to pet him on the head - he cowers. He doesn't like it. Some dogs don't care. Get on google images, look for people hugging their dogs - especially kids. The dog is putting up with it, they aren't liking it. Give every dog the choice to invade your space, and you will never have an issue.
@@chrisr-m6568 It's mutual trust and respect that builds confidence in any relationship. If you want it - you have to give it.
@@roberthynesdogtraining Haha I get the explanation! of what I'm asking you why!? You touch on a bunch of things I just want to see if you know what the underlying cause is?
Taking away the dogs ability to communicate Just insures that it escalates straight to a bite. It's like the same people who want to supress their dog for growling.
This is all bravado. Zak is going to war with the dog but dares to call it "positive reinforcement". His videos are anti positive reinforcement. He is a negative reinforcement - something the dog doesn't want in their life - something to fight or flight from - but they aren't allowed. Welcome to dog training. Man fears that which he does not understand - if he can't control it, he destroys it.
@roberthynesdogtraining it's a shame he has amassed such a following, because he's pumping out a lot of BS to people who could use real help and guidance, and these people have so little understanding on the matter they take him as gospel. Also, how can he possibly ever get any real training done with how often he is posting on social media. “The best training is the training that is actually done.” -Deb Jones, 2020
@@Lil_Kumquat It's sad for the dog. It's not just Zak, all dog trainers from PR to balanced are doing the same. Pushing the same garbage. It's starting already. They are destroying themselves with their own bullshit. They are drowning in their own BS. I'm loving it. Owners don't need "dog training" - they need a bloody relationship intervention. The dog isn't broken, the relationship is.
Can anyone comment on the way the dog is "pawing" zak ... That to me is a sign in itself..... Would love to know what you all think!
Dude Zak is the epitome of, "Writing a check that your a🤑🤑 can't cash." Too prideful to admit he was wrong.
U must got a crush on zak…. train your dogs the way u want n move on 😂
If you're the one defending him, then it's you in a love affair with the man.
zak constantly waves his hands erratically when talking-chill and be calm dude
*BOOM...* There it is!
All we ever hear is the "science" of dog training. There is no science to the garbage they are pushing. But don't dare question it.
The dog: I've just trained this dumb to give me food 😁🐶
As a trainer since 1969, I am in complete agreement with you.
Thank you. I guess you haven't seen my reaction to balanced trainers.
-@@roberthynesdogtraining No I have not seen your other videos as I have just found you. I am a realistic common sense trainer. I was doing the same things that Temple Grandon brought to light before she was born. Dogs do not just do things. They have reasons for every behavior that they display. They are constantly trying to communicate, and most humans are too blind and deaf to see and hear what is in front of them. Many of the "trainers" here online are about likes, clicks, and such. It really shows too. Me, I go to the dog's home and I only charge $50 a session. Any issue related to that session, I address it free of charge. Do I have all of the answers? No. But when I am working with a client I tell them this, you have to believe in your dog. You have trust in your dog. You have to listen to your dog because your dog will tell you everything you need to know about it. You have to remember dogs are not humans, and they do not speak any human language. Dogs are neither stupid nor vindictive. Unfortunately, I cannot say the same for people.
The dog isnt calm so Zak never should have tried to pet this dog, and at 7 minute mark the owner should not be continuously pet her dog. I never even try to pet if too excited, or anxious, nor obviously aggressive.
I just don't understand why this lady even take this dog to him. When he asked her, how is she in the home? And she says; she brings toys, and blankets and such. I'm like 🤔sounds like a damn good dog already. Beautiful pup. Thank you for pausing and discussing the body language as the clip goes. That side eye at 12:10 just says it all.
People tend to start off in "Positive Reinforcement" because it's supposed to be the good quadrant right? But Zak is punishing the heck out of the dog. Well, when positive reinforcement fails - which it tends to do - and owners get blamed for the failure - and a bill - and maybe a death sentence? The only other option is "balanced" - there's some good news. Balanced used to be the desired outcome for the dog. Now balanced training is nothing more than a path to control and management. When you understand what a behaviour really is? Then you realize that all of this is nothing more than garbage. You cannot train behaviours. This is the joke called dog training. This is the joke played on dog owners and most trainers haven't a clue that they are outright lying to you cause they haven't read Skinner - most have never heard of him.
@@roberthynesdogtraining Thank you for your detailed explanation. I've watched dog trainers on and off over the years, and I've been around animals all my life. When I see a well-natured animal like this one in the video being treated the way she is, it makes MY hackles raise up. And I'm glad you're calling it out for what it is. Over controlling is what that shit in the video is definitely. I 100% agree. When the owner said, when people come over, the dog CHOOSES to bring toys and blankets like... such a sweet natured animal already. Don't need to pay this guy a dime for bullshit 🙄
THANK YOU! Thank you for being a voice of reason and common sense. Zak is such a fucking hypocrite; how is that muzzle any different from prongs or e-collars? You're right, she's stressed, but she's definitely not scared. Animals deserve respect too, and trust needs to be mutual between dogs and their human leaders. I like how you touch on genetics as well, because as much as people like to ignore or deny it, it DOES play a key role. Also, can we talk about how he's moving around like an absolute idiot? If this dog was a fear case, he'd be setting off ALL the triggers right now. Hell, he probably still is. I feel so sorry for this dog; I'm sure her owner's heart is in the right place. We all make mistakes. But I hope after this, she reevaluated who she takes direction from. I've also had people randomly pet my dog without permission, and those people are so lucky he took it in stride. He's definitely not comfortable with it, and it's something (if I see it coming) I will be advocating against in future interactions. Because one of these days, he could snap, and I will not allow anyone to take him or I to task over it when THEY should have respected his space. I've never seen your vids before, but I'm definitely sticking around for more. It's refreshing seeing someone who doesn't subscribe to either/or training methods and explores different avenues centering the relationship, first and foremost.
Well, there is a lot of content. What I'm seeing in dog training is opinion becoming fact.
This is a 4 year old video, I guess he had not fully jumped on the 'even telling your dog NO is aversive' band wagon yet....
Lol this is awesome
My GSD , even as a puppy did not want strangers to pet him, especially on top of the head. Many dogs are like this. Never walk up to a dog you don’t know and put your hand over their head.
Monty is the most chill dog there is. If I move to pet him on the head, he lowers his head. It's dominance to dogs. When other dogs go over another dogs back or head, it's dominance.
Zak still doesn't have a clue. Building a relationship with my dog through mutual respect was as basic as it gets. Then its providing my dog guidance and direction. That is what worked for me and my 3.5 y/o highly reactive multi re-homed treat abscessed GSD, Now a 5 y/o completely confident relaxed dog that will prefer engagement over teats any day.
Good on you. Common sense and dogs has been thrown out the window.
this is hilarious, you never hold your hand above the eyes of a dog like at 3:13
I want to point out on Zak's aggressive dog training video. In Zak's original video, here are the time stamps: 1:18 "I asked the DOG OWNER to get their dog comfortable with a dog muscle BECAUSE I'M A WUSS." Pathetic, Zak didn't even try to take the dog from the owner or even tried to put the muscle on the dog himself. I am assuming he is scared. 5:57 "ideally you get strangers to give her treats" - 6:02 "The idea is that over time. Strangers dropping treats" - 7:37 "Something that doesn't necessarily resolves quickly. Some times it can be years. Some times it can be lifelong." Zak's comments are hilariously dumb. He believes that to fix this specific dog, strangers/people will and should be carrying treats at all times. Lastly, Zak didn't even try to take the dog for a walk or test the dog with other strangers. HE BELIEVES the dog is now fixed or will get fixed if a stranger carries treats. That's the only way. How stupid can Zak be?
Zak isn't stupid, he knows what he's doing. It's about the money, the cash cow that every trainer has built. He's punishing the dog and rewarding punishment. it's his followers that aren't too bright.
The only thing wrong with this picture is this Zak is throwing off " his " own fear, which is actually what the dog is responding to, period ! This guy is all BARK, no trainer ! 🤔😐
Zak George is afraid of this dog. He backs up while the dog sniffs him.
Of course he is. Zak's positive reinforcement is money. It's easy money.
This video is 4 years old. I don't think Zak has worked with dogs unknown to him much since then, only his own dogs (who still have issues, but it doesn't show as much as he's now mostly in remote areas) or foster dogs that are boisterous at worst, no agression cases. When asked to show how he would deal with agression cases using positive reinforcement only, he'll either show other people's videos or say that he has worked with dogs with behavioural problems, and will list those few forster dogs that barely displayed any issues other than not knowing how to behave on leash.
I have a small group that have fired ALL dog trainers. Why? Because they understand the actual science of behaviour - that dog trainers have thrown in the garbage. They also threw the dictionary in the garbage along with the science. Zak talks about "scientific consensus" which is all garbage anyway. Get enough birds together that are willing chirp the same old song and there is your scientific consensus. Science by vote - nothing more. "Follow the science" - yep, right off a cliff.
Muzzle is on upside down 😂
I didn't notice that.
It's not upside down...the gap for the nose is at the top. {Source...Greyhounds often arrive in rescue centres in UK wearing a plastic 'Basket' type muzzle for the journey from Eire}
@@Oakleaf700 it most certainly is upside down 😂😂
@@dansmall2614 It obviously isn't ''Upside down''. Anyone with eyes can see that. Look closely at the design.
@@Oakleaf700 the writing on the muzzle is upside down and the opening that is meant to be by its mouth isnt, dont try and tell me its on properly when its clearly fucking not. Bet your as good a trainer as Zak George though arent you 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
This dogs need to work and have a job. All this bs talk is just a waste of energy imho. Fear response? That guy is hard to watch and still he is followed by many.
It's really not that hard to understand is it... Give the dog a purpose in life and give them respect and trust. Trainers threw "mans best friend" in the garbage and replaced it with treats, tools and protocols. They are actively telling owners not to trust their dog. If you cannot trust, there is no relationship.
Can't stand this blues clues fool Zack he literally did nothing he's not a trainer all he did was feed the dog thats it
Now I have blues clues stuck in my head. Thanks for that, but so true.
I would love to see Zak's reaction to this video lol
You won't see a comment - but I know Zak has seen it. I've tagged him on facebook and youtube. It's interesting, I've gotten comments and emails saying that Zak loves to go to smaller channels and back himself up - but he won't dare do it to me. I would love for him to make comment.
I have to agree with what you say ….. and something else I found interesting was that skinner never actually trained a dog
Bingo. I can only find one example of an experiment on a dog. He detailed that in the behaviour of organisms. Shock is a negative reinforcement - when he turned off the power - that was positive reinforcement. The removal of negative. Turning negatives into positives - that is positive reinforcement. This is the science. Zak has no science behind him. None of them do. Balanced trainers have no science either. It's all pseudoscience. You don't get to redefine the science of "operant conditioning" and call it science. Skinner would call dog trainers liars.
Zak is a social media content producer, not a dog trainer. I wouldn't let him near a dog of mine.
This was hilarious. 😂 Zak is just awful
Zak is a direct threat to this dog by having his hand on top of the dog's head. Giving treats makes him submissive, and more likely to provoke an attack. I know he means well, but he really should find another line of work. Don't hire just any trainer, especially a treat trainer. Hire a professional that understands dog behavior.
The muzzle is much too small. Always buy muzzles, where the dog can freely open the mouth (in the muzzle shown in the video, the dog can only open its mouth about 1-2 cm - much, much too less), and the muzzle should not sit this tight on the nose. It must fit correctly and the wearing of a muzzle has to be trained step by step. If the dog is used to the muzzle, than it can wear it without any malaise and unease. Big, metal muzzles, a bit square like, are the best. They protect safely people and other dogs, and the reactive dog itself of course. PLEASE take your time and get consultation with your trainer or in a good pet shop when you buy a muzzle. It is only a few bucks more to buy a good fitting one with much space for the dogs mouth and nose. 🐶❤
For me Zak was always goog in puppy stuff. My 8-week-puppy leaned to pee outside within a month. It was great. But he is awful with real problems like aggression or reactivity. He should teach puppy ownders and evebybody would be happy.
I adopted Monty from another family when he was 5 years old. He peed and pooped on a mat in the basement for those 5 years. The first morning with me - he was howling at the door to get out to pee. To be a dog for the first time in his life. On the morning of day 3, he was off leash in unfenced dog parks. There is a big difference between learning and understanding.
@@roberthynesdogtraining I don't know what you want to tell about my comment. Do you agree or not? I don't get it. Sorry
@@katarzynaciepucha9358 Zak shouldn't be around dogs at all - let alone training them. The amount of damage that people like him are doing to the dog community overall is irrepairable. And it's worse on the balanced side. What you know as "dog training" needs to go in the garbage where it belongs. If you want to understand my reasoning, feel free to browse around my social media.
I am genuinely confused with your usage of positive reinforcement, negative reinforcement, positive punishment, and negative punishment. You stated how they cancel each other out a few times with no clear explanation about why, how, or in what the terms even mean. In the closing of this video you mentioned B.F Skinner and did not clearly define what the four quadrants are. Only that he did not use two of the other quadrants (negative and positive punishment) and I really don’t recall that in anything I’ve read about him. I could be wrong but that’s something that I do not remember. I’m all for the balanced approach but I just don’t understand some of the critique that you’re giving and nothing to counter besides telling your audience that this is a “respect” issue. Was anyone else confused or am I tripping?
Skinner openly opposed punishment - so please, tell me how he created the quarants? Konrad Most created the quadrants. Skinner proved Konrad wrong.
I'm sorry, what? "Zak is a negative reinforcement to this dog, the dog is a negative reinforcement to Zak because Zak is scared of dogs." Please explain this. Because, by definition, negative reinforcement would be something that would want them both to repeat a behaviour. If Zak is scared of dogs, being near a dog would not be negative reinforcement. And vice versa with the dog as well.
I have a channel full of videos that are free for the watching. You see, there are 2 definitions of "operant conditioning" which IS "dog training. Why? One page from one of B.F Skinners books - he is the father of operant conditioning. kzhead.info/sun/jMmuc7J5hWSVoYU/bejne.html
@zakgeorge has no clue, I absolutely love this video and this analysis exposing him for what he is, an actor that makes commercials for dog products. Too much incorrect scientific analysis that doesn't fit in the real world. Well we have all been screaming out for Zak to do a video with a reactive dog, this is why, because we all knew he was going to screw it up, although I didn't think it would be this bad. Trying to talk his way through this, because that's all he can do, talk and give treats. I didn't think it would take long for the hotdogs to come out. 😂😂😂😂😂 Absolutely love this real life exposure of this con man 💪👍🐶♥️
Zak - like DD is a marketer. I get flashbacks of Jim Bakker sobbing on TV for the sympathy - and he got it. DD and Zak do the same.