$150 Honda Clone vs $600 Honda? Let’s settle this! Fuel Efficiency, Horsepower, Durability, Starting
Is the Honda clone just as good as the Honda? Is the Honda better than the Harbor Freight's Predator and Briggs and Stratton Engines? All engines compared for fuel efficiency, oil consumption, noise and vibration during a 48-hour test. Used oil samples sent to an oil testing lab to provide information on wear metals. Engines also compared for torque and horsepower. I bought the engines, fuel to test the engines and all supplies to ensure an unbiased review. So, thank you for supporting the channel.
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Genuine product vs knock-off is one of my favorite guilty pleasures on this channel. I love seeing if you can still get your money's worth if the discount is enough and not many people besides Project Farm cover this kind of thing.
Thank you very much!!
Wouldn't even call it a guilty pleasure, it's a legitimately useful service.
Awesome video! Can you make one of the best wood splitters! Thanks so much
@Don't Read My Profile Picture OK, I didn't.
I refuse to support IP theft with my money, but I agree it is still good to see someone doing these comparisons that show just how cheaply made the fakes are.
My 24 yo son who is just now getting into building things. Just bought several tools and told me he watched your videos prior to purchasing. Makes a father proud! Thanks for doing what you do 👍
You are welcome! Thanks for sharing.
PF sure saves from learning the hard expensive way.
@@ProjectFarm When you say lbs can you add kg into the text on screen?
Great test. I’m disheartened the Briggs has been cheapened up as it has. Used to be as good of small engines as you could get for a reasonable price.
@@us1fedvet I agree! I have a B&S 8hp generator from the 70's and it starts on the 2nd pull... it's like a American made Honda. Unfortunately I would not buy anything with a B&S engine today😢
If only all YT videos were like this... absolutely no padding or wasted time, just content packed with value. I'm not even that interested in engines and I still watched the whole thing.
Thanks for watching!
This is the best comparison video on any product I've ever seen. No wonder he has 3.5 million subs.
I love his tight video editing and slight speed up of the audio explanation, it gets the content delivered quicker and is a more efficient use of the viewers / my time. The thought planning and execution of all of his videos has the inner geek in me grinning on some of the next level items he uses as testing statistics for his tests, always valuable and useful in giving a straightforward unbiased review. Good stuff!
The effort this guy has gone through just to make a 14 min video is amazing, keep up the amazing work
His test of motor oils was simply AMAZING. The detailed testing, had my head spinning!
its not "just" a 14 min video. its for millions of views and the associated income generated
another exceptional video
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Predator is a legitimate brand in the small engine racing community. Harbor Freight even sells a dedicated cart racing engine now with racing accessories (intake, exhaust, fuel pump, etc). That would be an interesting test to throw that one in the mix.
There's a dude who put a predator engine in his Honda and started tricking out the engine for more power using those racing parts.. edit: and yes it works and it works surprisingly well
@@TBPony project cantina
Predator ghost racing engine isn’t nothing special nor worth the ridiculous price. If you know a lot about small power sports building and racing you know you could get way better engines for less than $500
Harbor Freight has it's pros & cons that's for sure.
@@rosapercs4524 I can walk into my local HF right now and get a ghost race engine for $300. They are not $500.
I put a Predator 212 engine on a log splitter and never looked back the thing rocks. But what I really want to say is thank you for these entertaining and educational videos. I know you're making some money on these but the time , energy, and complexity you put into them has got to be the main reason very few if any other people are doing this level of comparrison videos. Really great. To an extent it has to be a labor of love. And i'm sure like many , its a major factor when purchasing. I can't imagine the amount of solicitation you get for products.
You are welcome!
I have one on a chipper I crack corn with and run it alot. It always starts on the first pull.
Given all the mods you can find for a Predator 212, I would probably choose that one for a go-cart.
They also don't claim to be more then they are.
@@qwertykeyboard5901 given the price, pretty smart they don't claim to be something dumb like "80% better then a Honda" or some other nonsense like that
I've built plenty of go karts predator engine are amazing for their price
I mean If there are a bunch of cheap easy to get parts to repair your engine its basically better
@@francisconikotian2326 sort of, I'm not sure I would trust my life on a Predator engine, I don't have any experience with them. However, I'm perfectly comfortable trusting my life on a Honda engine, I've used them in the past on equipment and they always performed flawlessly.
I tell you what for $150 bucks you can’t go wrong with that Predator engine. What a great review you did. Absolutely the best review channel on KZhead. Thank you!
Thanks so much!
Honestly it’s probably the better buy than the Honda considering you can buy 3 to 4 of them for the price of 1 Honda and they are pretty comparable to the Honda.
@@Back_door_bandit_98 a honda will last you much much longer. and the predator in the video had more CC than the others
Will the Honda last more than 3x as long as the knock offs?
@@davidelliott5843 absolutely
This man is a national treasure! We are blessed to have someone to provide us wrenchers with all this unbiased data. Cheers to you, and looking forward to many more videos!
Thank you very much! This means a lot to me!
Yes he is and he'd be even better / easier to understand for an alien (like me) if he'd talk about 25% slower!
I’ve bought quiet a few of the products he tests simply because of the videos he puts out!!!! Thanks project farm. Keep up the great work….
@@johnlong384 There is a function on KZhead that allows you to adjust the playback speed. (the little speedometer icon)
@@johnlong384 you can select playback speed of .75 by clicking the gear icon.
I love how comprehensive and detail-oriented these tests are. I appreciate all this number crunching for the final results!
Thank you!
Man, ı can see how much effort and time spent on these tests absolutely deserves a like and share
Thanks!
This guy is the "new" Mr. Wizard (Don Herbert), for those of you OLD enough to remember!
Great videos but afterward I want him to break them apart and see how they are made. I believe the Honda's use quality bearings on their cranks and pistons and have better attention to detail on the internals that mean longevity. Same with their generators, just better quality parts, like the old Maytag washing machines.
Love that you went the extra mile and sent the oil off for testing. As always, fantastic real-world reviews.
Thank you!
@Don't Read My Profile Picture Don’t be an idiot. 🤦♂️
@Don't Read My Profile Picture why spam instead of constructive talk? You might learn something
I read some where that you are not to use Senti oil in an new engine.the rings can't seat.during break in
Good point, perhaps he should run the engines for another 500 hours and redo the oil testing.
A lot of people saying thanks for what you do, and I absolutely agree; but the thing that makes me happiest is to see you doing these tests with joy. It's nice to see after all these years you've kept doing a service to us all but also still get joy from the work. I hope you're as happy as your videos let on, the content is terrific.
I completely agree. Todd is a class act 100%
Repent to Jesus Christ “For the Spirit God gave us does not make us timid, but gives us power, love and self-discipline.” 2 Timothy 1:7 NIV ht
@@repentandbelieveinJesusChrist3 yea no… that’s ok. Religion isn’t for me. This isn’t the place for your propaganda.
You really do a thorough job. I appreciate how much work that goes into each test.
Thanks and you are welcome!
I've been a Honda small engine fan since using my family's wood splitter with a Honda motor as a teen. I borrowed the splitter last year, which is now about 30 years old. Engine started first pull and ran without an issue through a couple of cords of wood. The engine gets little maintenance- typical splitter it is used a few hours a year then stored for the next year. I'm just amazed at the longevity of this thing. Last year I bought my own Iron Oak splitter with a Honda motor and it's been great.
Thanks for sharing.
Thats incredible, wow! 💪💪💪
I know this has to be a repeat comment but, my god, the amount of effort put into these videos is astounding! Not just on the mechanical testing side but content editing! It is appreciated!
Many, MANY years ago, consumer reports used to do testing like this. I haven't seen anyone do such a transparent, unbiased, complete analysis in decades. Really great work.
@@bigbossimmotal Which magazine does.
Really great core work here, and as an aside (but important to me) is that the cadence of the video is swift - saves me time, generally. Usually, I have to run most videos at 2X speed just to bare watching. Project Farm hits my comprehension comfort level at 1.5X. And, man, the thoroughness is impeccable. I bet manufacturers absolutely HATE this guy, LOL! Go ahead, try and cut a corner here or there, he'll bust ya wide open!
These are amazingly thorough videos. Todd probably makes cousin Eddie do all the farming by day and editing by night (he doesn't need a lot of sleep) so he can prep and perform all these great tests. Thank you Todd and cousin Eddie!
Project Farm is the Gold Standard for testing. Consistent and thorough.
For anyone new to the channel, this could be 14 days worth of prep-work, recording, analysing, and editing, boiled down to 14 minutes of what we want to see.
Thanks for watching!
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Great comparison
The host has a nice fast delivery without feeling rushed and the quality and professionalism is great!
this video is nothing short of amazing
Amazing comprehensive test. I've used predator engines for years. I had one that wasn't correct right out of the box but all of the others have treated me well. We're on a small farm that has a lot of gas powered equipment so we've had a bit of everything over the years.
Thanks! Thanks for sharing.
I think a longevity test is the next obvious step seeing as you already bought the motors. Still waiting for someone to give motorcoat some competition! Your testing is the standard I now count on for a lot of the products I buy, keep up the great work
Thank you for the video idea!
I think my Briggs and Stratton lawn mower will probably put last me. It had such bad compression after sitting for a long time that we put really thick diesel oil in it and after a season of running that it works like brand new
This is nostalgia of original project farm, good to see an honest showdown. Please make more like this
100 yes! I think he had to stop those kind of videos. Think of how many push mowers he blew up that summer for us
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As an engineer, I really appreciate your attention to detail and dedication to creating scientific worthy tests that can be repeated and measured with high precision. I picture you having a closet filled to the brim with testing instruments for all types of data like I do. It takes meticulous planning and organization to conduct these tests and I enjoy watching them.
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I agree he has a very good sense of judgment and great detail explaining
I watch this guy at times he is pretty accurate.
Any engineer can design something to last forever! It takes a great engineer to design something to fail right after the warranty expires....:)
*@Barry Thompson* Good god, aint that the truth? Of course, anyone who knows how things were made 70, 50, even 30 years ago can see how pathetically inferior most "consumer products" are now. So by that measure, you could be an "anybody" engineer & become great to your customers simply by making something that makes sense & lasts. Instead of a design philosophy of "noble simplicity," "what is simpler thicker heavier is better," its been "thinner lighter more plastic zero metal more electronic more sophisticated less reliable is most profitable"
I don't think i've seen such a thorough video in the realm of small engine testing. Excellent.
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Once again, I search for something and your channel has the video on it! Hand down one of the very best DIY channels. Thank you! Regards from UK
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I've never and will never use half the things tested on this channel. Yet I see a new video come up and I'm like, cool project farm! 😁 Love your tests and the time and length of all your different trials of whatever you happen to be testing. Thanks Project Farm, keep up the good work. 👍
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Heck, I don't even know what a quarter of things sometimes are used for. I still watch. That's how you learn.
I most likely you will used a gasoline engine even if not a horizontal one. I wounder what that Brigs was use for.
Lot of knowhow in devising these tests and making it interesting. I love it
@@dlewis9760 that's what it's about. My bro in law was looking for a power washer. The brand he was looking at I saw on this channel. I said you'd better watch this, and sent him the episode. He bought the winner of the test instead of his original pick. 😉 There's also one more subscriber to this channel after that.
Harbor Freight is just killing it these days. Also many thanks as usual for the amount of work you put in for us folks to guide us in the right way.
There stuff works just fine for most for sure!
@@fredrhodes Indeed but they are slowly but surely creeping into the professionals space all my guys are switching over as stuff breaks. And I even used to say but yeah it's all Chinese made, and yeah it is for the most part but so is everything else outside of a few overpriced legacy brands and even that often is. Although if you want affordable American made look to the hammers Vaughan and Estwing they are still doing it right at least.
HF has upped the products and the prices, and lack of 20 percent off coupons
@@alpham777 I use an estwing everyday for my own 30 years, plus however long my father used it before he died. They are amazing.
@@shystermagoo6823 You mean the recalled ones where the welds would break? Killer for sure.
This is a really great comparason video !!! Thank you for sharing your time and money...
Thanks and you are welcome!
Wow your level of in depth equal comparison, subbed right away! Straight to the point!
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This is by far the best and the most trustworthy comparative test of most of the common products that we all either own or may buy during our lifetimes at least here in the USA. I have followed PF for over 4 years now as well bought many industrial products from simple tools to some big appliances based PF reviews. Every one of them has stood up to the recommendations over that time and I expect they are the best value for every buck I had spent. We all owe a great deal to PF for his unbiased and thorough in-use testing, evaluation and recommendations
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I agree!
Very very good test. I personally prefer the predator, I've absolutely used the crap out of the predators before and they handled it. My personal experience is predator gives more bang for the buck.
@@ProjectFarm however, for the test to be complete, there should be long-distance test and then a retest comparison. So what if the predator has results when, for example, after 100 working hours could be a rubble. Anyway ❤ ;)
@@kevinballuff1164 Hi Kevin, what about predator’s long term durability? Could be good or (…) I guess honda could be best value after long-term test. E.g Ryobi is powerful (price vs Nm etc) but only for weekend jobs not often, otherwise lifetime will be short.. therefore ryobi manufacturer has in portfolio aeg or milwaeukee for small/business. Br, Mariusz
I have owned three of these engines, each quite a few years. Honda, Briggs & Stratton, and the Predator all for a well pump. The first motor, the Predator, lasted only 4 years before burning out. The Briggs & Stratton lasted 6 years. The Honda we have not replaced yet after 9 years. This test mirrors our experience with the motors. The Honda is the most expensive, but the most durable. When the motor dies (as we expect it will soon) we will just get another Honda. They are really unsurpassed in motor durability.
Last I checked, Thailand wasn't using their Navy to encroach on other countries fisheries and sending spy balloons to scope out our nuclear bases while planning to invade our allies and sink our aircraft carriers. With the other three Engines being made in China, the reliable Honda is an easy choice.
What went out on the Predator and Briggs, did you do any maintenance?
Just put up solar panels and electric pump.
4 years for $150, and 10 years for $400… works out pretty well
@Sam S At the 150 vs. 600 as per the video, you would be better getting the clones and replacing them. Assuming a failure rate of 10 years for the Honda and 4 years for the clone, you could purchase 4 clones equalling 16 years for the same cost as one Honda.
As always, thank you Todd. I’m curious, what are you using for your IR temperature readings? I’ve been looking into getting one for some basic diagnostic, but as always I get mixed signals of what out there is worth purchasing. Thanks!
PROJECT FARM FOR LIFE! lmao but seriously always great videos and covers absolute all questions most would ask. I dont think Ive ever seen a video where something was missed unless it was an odd request but even then he takes them into consideration as well for most videos! Amazing job PF thanks for the great content as always :)
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Just a few years ago you could get the Predator engine for just $99 with the 1 year warranty. We used to put them on our racing go karts and they held up surprising well with the governor removed. There's actually two different styles of engines and they look identical except for the valve cover. The hemi version is the one you were testing in the video with a rectangle cast valve cover. The non hemi version has a octagon shape valve cover. The hemi version seems to last longer than the non hemi version but you have more upgrade accessories for the non hemi version. I've seen guy get 25hp out of the predator with upgrades. Great video.
I got a Non-Hemi with a billet flywheel, jetted stock carb, governor removed, 22lb valve springs, billet rod, flat top piston, high compression head gasket, a straight pipe header and a mild stage 2 cam with a torque converter and it gets my BT200x to 52 mph. They're rockets
I've got a Hemi on my log splitter, and 2 non-Hemi's on a pair of pressure washers. The hemi definitely starts easier than the non-Hemi's. BTW... I think the Hemi is made by Loncin, and the non-Hemi is made by RATO, as best I can tell.
@@BKD70 same I replaced a worn out brig's with a 212 predator and the splitter works better than it ever worked just run it barley above an idle and it splits everything
My hemi put that out its billetproof
A few years ago, just about everything was a half price, thanks to Bidenomics
I can only imagine the hilarious sight of someone stumbling onto your farm and seeing a guy in a go cart towing a tractor with a mannequin on it lol. Always love seeing your videos. You are truly a godsend when it comes to KZhead content creators!
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I was wondering if the chinese spy balloon caught this on camera and are wondering WTF is going on down there ? lol
My favorite was when you tested electric-heat jackets by having Cousin Ed ride on top of FARM-A-BAGO!
This guys always put out awesome videos and helpful information from the start. keep it up man! Glad you’re still making awesome content.
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Another great video!!! Glad you included cousin Eddie. That's the Christmas spirit!
The level of commitment for these tests is absolutely phenomenal 👌
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When will he do a video comparing ex-wives or ex-girlfriends to new ones? :) :)
The 6.5 predator engines are quite popular among the Amish for their field implements like hay rakes. Very durable and at 1/3 the price quite the bargain where one can be kept in stock on the farm for emergencies. I haven’t heard of a failure yet.
Thanks for sharing.
Wasn't expecting to see a comment from another Lancaster viewer when I clicked this video!
I thought the Amish used horses n shit
@@dkis8730, they do use horses but many use small gas engines on equipment rather than ground drive.
@@dkis8730 Nah, they don't use electricity, but they use just about everything else. You should see some shops... they have some sick ass pneumatic systems you could only dream of.
You are like the America's Test Kitchen of tech. Your analysis of best quality vs. best value is always welcome.
Those Predator engines are a great value. Also crazy the amount of aftermarket there is for them.
Agreed, I live in an area where they're quite popular replacement engines, people use them for everything. As long as you don't severely abuse them and maintain them, they seem to be not only quite reliable, but also incredibly cheap to repair. I have a buddy that heavily modifies them for go cart usage, using big bore kits and such, and when he does break them, depending on what breaks, it's often cheaper to buy a brand new predator than it would be to replace a broken bottom end of a Honda or Briggs.
I agree. I’m glad the Predator tested well since I have that on our go-cart.
Predator engines are pretty great. We gutted the one we put on my nephews go kart and it really cranks out the horsepower.
I use the 22hp Predator twin cyl only modified with electric fuel pump and better spark plug for replacement skid steer engine. 45 hours and still going strong after some pretty abusive use
But they are produced in China (Honda in Thailand). If it comes to a show-down between USA and China, I wouldn´t be sure, if I wanted Chinese products on the markets, as the sabotage risk would be high.
Okay, okay, alright, you got me. I've been watching these for years, but this is the last straw. This one was so well done, and so useful, and so awesome that I'm signing up on Patreon right now to support this whole thing. You leave me no choice.
YOU - make the most awesome, reliable and trustworthy review videos. Your video format has been copied by other KZheadrs because it is so good. Thank you for all the time you take to make these videos! I enjoy them immensely while at my dinner table. Great job sir!!
Thanks so much!
your way of explaining is so soothing and easy to follow!
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you never cease to amaze me.the time & expense to film these videos, plus the mountains of data to keep track of.your success is well earned for all the work & time spent behind the planning & execution of your short videos.well done todd.MUCH respect sir.
You're exactly right timkis! Todd deserves ever cent he earns bcoz he absolutely works for it $$$ 👍👍
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Yes!!! This has been a long debate! Thank you for doing what you do for the community.
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This was an an insane amount of effort ! Liked and subbed . Great comparison !
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Another great test review, your the best keep up the great work.
If you didn’t come from tiktok raise your hand 🤚🏽
I didn't start a tiktok account.
I like tic tacs
@@ProjectFarm I’ve seen your content on there from people reposting it.
@@ProjectFarm And that's why we love you man!
@@ProjectFarm those Chinese accounts getting lots of views by reposting your content I’m sure! We love you here!
Surprising results! Honda has been a rock solid small engine brand in my opinion. But I just assumed the clones were all about the same, pretty good for the price but a far cry from Honda. Great to know the predator is a viable option on a budget👍🏻
Thanks for the feedback.
Speaking as someone that's worked on hundreds of small engines; the true Honda clones. The ones that are part for part copies of a real GX engine are usually about 98% as good as the real thing for a quarter of the price.
I have a 212 cc in my Toro single stage snowblower made by Loncin. I have read on forums that the Harbor Freight Predator 212 is a suitable replacement if you should happen to need one for whatever reason. After this video, I have no doubt about that being true.
'made in Thailand' like many of their small equipment like generator , etc.
It's impressive that for all the junk HF sells that the Predators are so good. I've got one on a kart that I absolutely thrash and it takes it like a champ
You're the best!! My neighbor has one of those Predator engines on his rototiller & that thing runs great!! I still use Engine Restore & just added some last night to my Grand Prix. It now has 285,000 miles & still runs great!! Thanks & keep making great videos!!
Thanks, will do!
I've purchased dozens of predator engines, and have yet to have any complaints. Most of my swap outs were on garden tillers, mainly because they adapt better to different brands and their bolt patterns. Great little engines for their price.
I am debating on swapping out the gas golf cart engine for one of these. (Predator).
Thanks for sharing.
@@paulpiatt5610 Predator is Lifan. They are good engines. The 224's are a different manufacture of lesser quality.
Garden tillers get run on angles and even fall over running so they starve for oil. Use their oil up and keep going as it's only another row and not use it again for another year.
@daylongdriver1 one great thing about the modern predator motor is the low oil cut off. The only two times a tiller was brought back to me for not starting, this was the issue both times. Added a half a cup of oil, and they started right up.
You never let the community down with these great tests and reviews. Thanx Bro.
Thanks and you are welcome!
I was jus looking at motors and generators at my local harbor freight this video definitely helped me decide, thank you again my good man
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I've watched you for years and I just want to tell you that your videos are superb! Thanks for keeping it sponsor free! I base many purchases off of your videos.
Thanks so much!
Absolutely love this “knock-off vs genuine” content! It’s scary to think that a fake looks so similar and can easily be made to look real with little effort. Great video!
That is what the scammers count on: the ten foot view has them looking near identical. It's not until it's in hand and they already have your money that you realize it's nowhere near the the same as the product they stole the IP of (at which point, the dents, dings, misaligned holes and that cheap China plastics smell are just bonuses they include for free).
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Yeah, but they copied final product.... Honda needed to do R$D from scratch... Hence the price... People don't understand that
@@Crotch_Goblin1 honda didn't do good in the QA and real world division on these little engines. not to mention all the metal shavings in the oil they left for the user.
Look at the ‘90s Hyundais. They always tried to mimic the look of Camry or Accord. It’s the fake it until you make it theory.
You make the best comparison videos! I always look for one of your videos before I buy a new tool. I just bought a gas powered air compressor and would have loved to see you test the most popular brands. It would be pretty expensive but a gas powered air compressor comparison test would be awesome and I’m sure very popular. Maybe the big makers would give or at least use one for the testing. Keep up the great work! Thanks!
Thanks, will do! Thanks for the suggestion.
I sure do appreciate these videos! Thank you for such diligent testing!
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Great video! I bought the same Predator engine you tested three years ago and have not had a problem with it. It's nice to hear that it stacks up against the much more expensive engines for heck of a lot less money!
Thanks! Thanks for sharing.
Predator all the way 🤙
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Predator is the way to go for sure
Best part about the power of the Honda clone is that it also says 4.0kW, which would be 5.4HP - so this engine has 3 different values for advertised power.
Great point!
At the dealerships we call them “One Tank Wonders”.
He said that the manual references a GX160 which is a 5.5hp engine A lot for these cheap clone engines actually has a 160cc block even though the sticker says it's a GX200. $150 is very overpriced though, these clones only costs $60-70 where I live (southeast Asia)
You, my friend, have miles and miles of more patience than I. That given, your comparisons and results are exceptional! Great work.
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That was an awesome comparison. It's one of my favorites to date. There is no telling how much money you have saved people over the years with this channel. Anytime I buy almost any product, I go to your channel first to see if you've done testing on whatever it is I'm about to purchase. Thank you for the great work, brother.
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I agree. I do the same thing!
More engineering was put into this than the actual engineers who designed them. Great work.
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Especially considering the "engineering" for the Honda clone and the Predator involved buying a Honda engine and having someone copy the design as closely as they could while using slightly less expensive materials! I have to give Honda engineers credit for designing the gold standard for small engines. It is always interesting to see various brands of snowblowers, lawnmowers, and pressure sprayers etc. which slap a "Powered by Honda" sticker in a predominant location. It seems people know what quality is and they are willing to pay for it. That said, I'm sure for most users the Predator engine would probably work very well and last for many years.
I can't do work on engines of any kind anymore. But, I enjoy the everything about your information comparisons. Work 38 years as a mechanic of one kind or another in that time. From my uncle's gas station and garage to my time in the Navy Seabees. But I just have a good time watching and recalling all the procedures that are done. Thanks again!
Thanks for watching! You are welcome!
All good stuff on your channel! Does Cuz Eddie have Rigor mortis?
I like how these videos have been made more efficient by getting right into the details we want to know, and some details we didn't know we needed. 👍
Then I watch them at 1.25x speed. Have to pay close attention.
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Excellent comparison as usual. To me, the most striking difference was the amount of vibration. For dependability over the long run, I'd choose a well balanced engine. Thanks for the information.
Thanks for sharing!
Your channel is awesome, good information. I'm a Honda and Toyota man, I love videos that prove why!
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I watch a lot of these motor tests and by far , by far, you are the absolute best on the internet with the analysis that you do on any product. What about a brakdown comparison of the small diesel motors ? There are a few videos on here on the cheap chinese diesel motors and none of the videos are comparison vids or as in depth as yours. It would be interesting to see a comparison of the cheap diesel motors ( I am overwhelmed there are so many available ) vs. a Kubota or other major brand. I should probably do a search - you may have already done one - Thanks for all your work
Thanks! Thanks for the suggestion.
I just realized that you already did a diesel engine video the one using biodiesel and waste motor oil - Thats a good one too.
Really love your format, you don't waste any time and get right into the comparative results in every test!
Thanks so much!
and no head banging music...
@@AffordBindEquipment Nothing wrong with the music, especially the head banging music !!!!! 🤘🤘
My thoughts exactly!
No extra cost for the dents lmaoooo, I love this guy for his unbiased reviews and his own sense of humor. Cant believe it took me this long to find this channel lol, he deserves so much attention for the amount of work he puts into every video!
I appreciate that! Thanks!
Very good videos, just one question. Did you run each engine at full throttle without any load nothing on the pto shaft and check each engines rpm to see if they were all the same before doing any tests ? If you have one running at 3600 rpms and another running at 3200 your output is going to be different. Maybe you did and I missed it, I have a digital tach to check rpms on small engines. If you did do this and I missed it I truly apologize for bringing this up. I do like your videos and am very impressed by your professional efforts. Thank you
certainly the most impressive and entertaining video I've seen this year. Excellent. Thank you.
Wow, thanks!
no, thank you -@@ProjectFarm - amazingly well done...
Wow! Another incredible video. I've noticed over the years the value of the products you test is gradually increasing. You're obviously making a good (and much deserved) living off of your channel. I'm curious if it started off with a business model or just as a hobby that evolved on its own to what it is today. Either way, you have earned the trust of a lot of people and entertain 100s of thousands every week. I've bought two of your shirts and will soon sign up as a patron in order to help ensure your channel continues just the way it is. Thank you.
Thank you very much!
Thanks so much Todd for all you do. This is not only super expensive, it’s very time consuming. Can’t thank you enough! Love the Cousin Eddie cameo😂😂
But we never hear what Cousin Eddie thinks of the products
@basedwhitedevil so we should be less appreciative because of that?
Thanks and you are welcome!
@basedwhitedevil he has that many subs bc ppl love watching his channel.
Amazing work that you do. Thank you for all the research and sharing with us.
Thanks and you are welcome!
Thanks for this excellent comparison. I have the Predator 212 cc on my fire-fighting pump (RATO brand) It's nice to know the Loncin Predator has good performance and reliability. Cheers from Sunny Australia!
Thanks so much! Thanks for the feedback.
It'd be so cool to see a side by side of all four engines running 24/7 to see which one will continue to run longest until it completely wears out, but obviously would be such a waste of gasoline.. Great video!
Thank you for the video idea!
I always wondered how good the Predators were because they're real popular for go carts and modding. Now we know, for the price, they're a beast!
Thanks for the feedback.
Love your no nonsense, non biased comparisons, helps me to make proper choices 😎
Thanks so much!
Here in Canada the Honda clone is sold under the King name. I installed one on an old John Deere model 110 to replace a tired Kohler 8hp. It has worked well with only one problem. If the fuel is left "on" the engine will flood particularly if the tractor is pointed downhill. Solution is to turn the fuel off at the carb when not running the engine. Price at Tooltown was about $180CDN or about $140US. Due to the short amount of time the engine runs it has been a terrific value IMO. Edit: The flooding problem is caused by fuel siphoning from the tank into the carb through the vent hose (pollution control) and only if the tank is really full.
Thanks for sharing.
You should use the borescope to check the cylinder walls. I have a predator and a Briggs both with similar hours and the predator has worn away the factory honing marks and the Briggs cylinder wall looks brand new.
Then do your own channel🤦♂️
Great idea,
That's where the price difference comes in. Honda and Briggs have low power compared to predator but both have limited carbon built up. And we can assume that both would last longer compared to the cheap one.
@@martinqizeaq Yeah, the cast iron quality is higher in the briggs and honda.
Could be the quality of cast iron they use in the sleeves...
Thank you, Todd. Close to 2.8 Million subscribers are a testimony to the great value of your content. Even if much of your testing applies to the North-American market, some of your testing results can be applied here in Germany as well. And Cousin Eddie is always welcome entertainment. This is one of two channels I support via Patreon and I can only encourage others to do likewise. This is really useful content. 😊
You are welcome! Thanks for being a Patreon and supporting the channel!
@@ProjectFarm And now you are soon a wealthy man thanks 2 KZhead
Your testing methodology is always solid. Thanks for all the great content.
You are welcome!
Great test, and I love the clarity of the details.
Thanks!
I am constantly impressed by the time for variety of tests that you perform. I would have never thought about testing the pull starter strength. And tell Cousin Eddie job well done.
This fellow is better than consumer reports.
CR is trash
I worry about cousin Eddie he looks a little stiff
he IS Consumer Reports
I think this guy's tests are the best, period. I always look to his channel first.
Thanks!
Very Nice. I always use Honda. I am in the concrete business. I have 2 trowel machines with the GX160 engines. I just add oil when they turn off. One is 28 years old and the other is 25. Back in the day we only got 3 years off of Briggs. Havent gotten the opportunity to even test any other engines. They worth every penny to me.
Thanks! Thanks for sharing.
This video is amazing, like all his videos. Your comparisons are really helpful. Thank you very much for enriching the content of the platform... this is the best channel 👋👋👋
Thank you very much!
This was one of your most impressive videos yet! Honda is king as always, but the predator punched way outside its price point.
Thanks!
I agree
That Predator engine was very impressive! That's an extremely high value engine for the money right there!
cheap and very good!🐱👍🏿
I think someone somewhere said that predator is made in same line than genuine Briggs and Stratton It would be interesting to take both apart and try to mix up the parts and put both together. But now I know what engine I'll use to replace genuine honda
Thanks for sharing!
@@felixchaus the Predator is another Honda clone. But remember it's not a real Honda. And whoa to the man who doesn't go out in the snow and start it up every 3 months.
@@thisoldrelicyou mean woe?
The Predator GX clones are so close to the GX series that the parts will swap. The engine will blow up on you, but the parts will seem like they fit on the equivalent engine. I learned this the hard way when replacing the engine on a generator that came with a clone GX160 or GX200(can't remember), and the replacement Predator 212cc seemed identical. Because of the tapered shaft on the generator head: I was forced to use parts from both engines together. Last time we had a power outage it blew up on me and we ended up losing food. The 2020 Iowa Derecho was hell. We had no power for 4.5 days. Just long enough to lose all our food. Shame I didn't know those parts weren't quite identical though...
Thank you for sharing!
Excellent 👌 breakdown... best I've seen on KZhead.
Thanks so much!
Would love to see a follow-up on legevity. That is, how are the engines looking after 100 or 200 hours rather than just this quick test. Pretty sure the knock-off would fail, but Predator vs. Honda would be interesting in the long run.
Thanks for the video idea.
You are probably correct...obviously, all the Chinese knock off engines are not the same quality wise..and sadly, the Briggs is basically just a Chinese knock-off with a "brand name"...
I've had a knock-off on my American Snow Blower for 8 years now with no issues.
Ran my old Honda generator for at least 7200 hours in its 12 year life literally ran it 6 hours every night and im not even counting the several times I used it for running tools on jobs .
@@bishbosh7728 Impressive...
An idea I had for a video is comparing permanent marker performance. It would be interesting to see if any has the edge in less than ideal environments like dusty or oily surfaces. Or if any of them last longer than the other. Thanks for all these comparisons by the way. Always excellent work
Thanks and you are welcome! Thanks for the suggestion.
sharpie pro are better than sharpie.but not by much
surely like to know. I write timing belt, and oil change stickers and it seems like most of what I write is gone or nearly gone when the car returns for service. Timing belt ones disturb me the most. I don't want to use an engraver. some customers have me engrave anyway, right on the valve cover big letters. date and next change mileage. Just timing chains and motor rebuilds. Writing with a marker seems to always be gone. Off road stuff that gets washed with a pressure washer, or the caked on dirt dries on and gets scraped off later. seems like nothing stays on those 4 wheelers. Inside of the back of the seats. even then those are getting gone also. Need to mark where it doesn't have to be out of sight, therefore out of mind and therefore the oil gets changed too late and they blow up.
I love your work man. I would love to see the breakdown of price and operating cost of each unit. Like a metric that would show how many of the other brands you could buy before you spent as much as the Honda. Or even a percentage of value shown as if the fuel economy is better how many hours until you recoup your loss on purchase price (that is to say "Bang for your Buck"). This seemed to be a very close performance margin with a very large price margin.
I've swapped those predator motors into different things for years. They're absolutely great especially for the money. I always shut down by turning off the fuel and it starts first pull no matter how many years it sits.
Thanks for the feedback.
You're killing it as always. Great analysis. The variety of tests is outstanding. Love your videos. Keep up the good work.
Thanks, will do!
Hell Yeah! Same! 🎉
ProjectFarm is a legend. Shows what 1 man can achieve if he puts his mind to something and works hard.
Thanks!
Very good morning I have a good mood in
1 man ?? Christ, what about Cousin Eddie ??
Excellent vid as usual! Cheers from Australia
Thanks!