Strange Supreme VS Captain Carter Final Fight | What If? Season 2 Episode 9
2023 ж. 29 Жел.
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Ending new episode Doctor Strange VS Captain Carter and Kahhori
Evil strange tried to resurrect Christine and his world. The Avengers and all Villain lend their weapon to Peggy Carter. Captain Carter use infinity stone armor, Hela crown and Thor Hammer.
#marvel #whatif #supremestrange
What irritates me is that Strange Supreme was almost equal to the entirety of the infinity stones wielded by one person, and this is supposed to be a considerable time later, so he should be even more powerful. They should never even come close to beating him.
It's the infinity stones, they grant the wilder INFINITE POWER.
Same. Supreme Strange eats a galaxy expolsion blast from infinity ultron like a cake in what if season 1, now he's struggling to fight 2 little girls
@@-AIWillRule They don't though. The name is a misnomer because they can most certainly be beaten.
It's the power of woke women characters
@@ilariasdiary8074you know what’s stupid as fuck? Kahori tping killmonger out of the suit, like wtf is that bullshit lmao
When you run out of villains and turn a great character into one .💁🏻♂️
They didn't run out. For some reason they're not using villains like Knull, Void, Tyrant, Galactus, Onslaught, Kang, Mephisto, or TOBA. They have plenty to choose from
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@@sedriquetyrone If all of the villains u mentioned got the same treatment, will u still like it?
@@captainmd3361 maybe, maybe not but they still have a long list to choose from to make interesting stories. Also, let's not forget Dr. Doom!
@@sedriquetyroneI'm pretty sure the rights to Knull are at Sony and they may use it in Venom films
Ya’ll remember when Peter Quill as a half celestial touched just the power stone and he almost died. Y’all remember when Hulk, a character that is immune to gamma, was literally groaning of pain wearing the infinity gauntlet which Banner himself said majority of the radiation is GAMMA. And Captain Carter just took all of them inside her hand, she should’ve just blown up
And some comments say: bUt ShE hAs SuPeR sOldDiEr SeRuM 🤡
To be fair, she was using the armor that Killmonger took from Ultron last season which let him wield the stones without dying, and he had the heart shaped herb which seems more or less equivalent to the super soldier serum
To be fair, she was using the armor that Killmonger took from Ultron last season which let him wield the stones without dying, and he had the heart shaped herb which seems more or less equivalent to the super soldier serum@@YouCann0tSeeMe
Kid pl read the episode Info kahori have make a shield around the stones to protest her kid
@@jonasjanner9761 I don’t know where you’re from, but get your grammar corrected and then I’ll let you call me kid 😂
I like how Carter embraces her Britishness by taking treasures from other realities.
Bloody true! The crown colonization of realities
😂
Shut up
Im dead from cringe when she put on hela's helmet :D
Likewise using native american's to fight her battles, another fitting touch.
Captain Carter was plenty likeable in season 1. Seeing her return to fight the hydra stomper was cool. Watching her clown Loki and the Destroyer and go toe to toe with Thor was a bit of an eye roller. But watching her lose all the magic props and still get the better of Strange by simply throwing hands at him? That's beyond absurd.
Accurate af.
absolutely i really like carter character but they just ruined it
Exactly ! Like, no matter what, she's just a super soldier. She's nowhere near the level of characters like strange or thor
And yet if it had been Steve you wouldn't have had a single problem.
@@georgew3270 And yet you all never had a problem when Steve was doing it and he had far less magical gear than she did. But he had a dick and thats all you care about.
Next thing they'll show is Captian Carter defeating the Living Tribunal 💀
No wonder i think if it was happening
LMFAO😭
Beyonder too
Don't give them ideas.
@@cidkagenou2962 Don't forget about The One Above All. Fuck it, have her defeat Galactus.
They saw his popularity in the last season and thought naaw naaw a man cannot have the glory while we are here.
Unfortunately that's true
Glory by destroying a universe and still doing the same
"Quick sub out strange, here's a young minority girl" "Ok I guess" Disney
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In S1 strange used evry spell to defeat ultron In s2 he just used Beam,barrier and portal I hate writers 😒
The only threat in S1 for Strange is Infinity Ultron. In S2 Strange facing lot of enemies, not only Kahori and Peggy Carter, but also strong creatures that he capture accross infinity of multiverse.
Me too,
@@kingki1953Infinity ultron was a thrrat to the multiverse. He blinks those characters.
@@Sinislovesbillcypher. Technically strange wanted to capture them not kill them. HOWEVER that's thrown out the windows when his in a chamber only fighting the 2 of them. Oh yeah clearly the is NO SPEED META
Correct✅
In no way should Strange have lost this. Dude should've dogwalked *all* of them.
yeah... and he literally learned that it's useless to try and alter fixed points. (and he accepted it cannot be changed) So why is he trying to save Christine here again as his plotpoint???
Logic doesn’t work on fiction 🤬🤮
@@noparuthirankate7895 I mean, it does when the writing is good. Most people have an innate desire for stuff to make sense, and skilled writers know this.
@@tek512 yes (on skill writer) but it doesn’t always need to so that’s why logic doesn’t work in fiction because all of their ability and stuff are come from writer not logic. I mean you can try to copy and adapt logic into fiction but that doesn’t work either because fiction isn’t real and that logic (only in fiction) didn’t even existed.
So that's it? They beated Strange Supreme? Bro something is wrong, he was supposed to beat the crap out of all with a little a snap literally
They are females characters, they can beat anyone.
I forgot about that👁️
@@guruxara7994 you right I forgot it's M-She-U now
@@MinoTaurus205Bro that made me laugh so hard MSheU is here
He never turn off his plot armor off Carter and they had additional buffs with the weapons but I get it
I don't usually criticize fight scenes, but I don't get how Carter can even wield all the stones with no problem. Heck, Strange Supreme should've wiped the floor with them, and anyone who watched S1 would know this.
Strange Supreme is the main reason Ultron didn't win in s1, he was so powerful that he basically had to carry the entire team
@@shazaz1059once ultron knew, he started targeting him directly which forced strange to go on a defensive mode
So what was going on in the writers' heads....
Well Mary Sue, bad writing, and M-SHEU is that
Hell, he even become more powerfull in season two and also defeated and captured so many powerful characters by he's own,like Thanos with infinty gems,infinity ultron,killmonger with infinity gems,hela,thor,loki and so many other.Loosing to those two female with infinity gem and other weapons does not make anysense it is just a bad writting and because now it is M-she-U time.
What if : how female oriented do u want our script to be Kevin Feige: yes
what if: how male oriented do you want our script to be (in a mcu which male dominance is more than abysmal) @thirunavukkarasug1805: yes
@@donovanfejeran3901litelary no one have problem with strong female character if she is well writen. Problem is where paggy carter is just female version of steave rogers and since start of the serion she has no character chenge + for her screan time marvel kill one of best character of the series. For me 90% of the characters in what if coud be females is they will have good character disagne, problems and didint break law of MCU. For egsample good female character is Hela.
@@donovanfejeran3901difference is, females are only used as much just for bs feminist propaganda. Every movie or show must show how strong and independent they are with shit writing too
@@sigmaman3632she was a great character to begin with. She is a strong a female character with emotions and actual conflicts. This one episode just ruins her and destroys lot of characters arcs along with it.
@@sigmaman3632 let me remind you she is wearing the same armor that killmonger had that protected him from the Infinity Stones you got to remember dude
Strange is flying half the fight but as soon as he actually needs to fly he can’t
Writer's power
You did see strange pop out he hold strange back right, aka strange was MVP in this fight again
"The strongest character is whoever the writer wants it to be"- Stan Lee
Okay that final punch where Peggy grabs all the Infinity stones should not even be possible thanos and tony had to create a whole gantlet to even get a couple of seconds with the things without getting burned by radiation and yet she comes off with nothing
Yeah, even a half celestial like Star Lord almost got destroyed by the power stone... Thanos can briefly use it, but is in great pain... So Carter leaving this fight unscathed (much less alive) by using all infinity stones in her bare hands, is impossible.
Strange ate mjolnir but didnt break captain carters shield🏃🤸
how exactly did she punch him with the stones in her fist without getting disintegrated? She was neither wearing the armor, nor hela's clown or any other protection while she did that? So she has superhuman durability all of a sudden now?
I think it's because of the super soldier serum in her. She is not a mere human.
@@mathewlawani1364i dont think that is really enough even tho
@@maxlol6924 Lol. I honestly do not know what the writers had in mind.
stones only hurt to the point of disintegration if u are snapping half of existence away (or back), infinity gauntlet was made for the purpose to tank the recoil, but it still hurt thanos' arm. Peggy currently has strange's protection spell, the infinity ultron armor (recoloured with her aesthetic), and is a super soldier. So even she did something equal to the feat of snapping, she'd be fine. But yeah all she did was infinity stone powered punch strange here, no need for disintegration.
@@AvatarLiger did u not watch guardians of the galaxy?? starlord is part celestials and still got affected. celestials > infinity stones
This series shouldn't have been called "What if" but "Captain carter vs the multiverse"
Next what if: All female superheros vs The one above all. TOBA gets destroyed to oblivion
I mainly just hate how they took away all the meaning from Supreme Strange’s tragic story in his season 1 episode
I was genuinely disappointed, I guess what I had pictured happening was Hela getting The Ten Rings and going OP and then Strange Supreme, Kahhuri, Captain Carter, Nebula, Iron Man and Happy Hogan as The Freak were going to be this seasons multiverse Avengers
No we can’t have nice things
This
that would've just been season 1 but again. also Hela in that episode became good and redeemed, so why would she become the main villain, and why would she even become a multiversal threat even then?
Strange Supreme at this point should be even stronger than the stones or any of the artifacts, hell he couldve known the secrets of the Darkhold too, given the number of entities and demons he possessed...but then again this is Disney Marvel. Season 1 was awesome then this is just disappointing
Keep in mind strange supreme swallowed a Galaxy that Ultron set to just explode yet what if season 2 is just what if Captain Carter did everything like Doctor strange was the hard carrier of the team when they were going up against Ultron with the Infinity stones
He swallowed the explosion not the galaxy
There's still one thing I can't understand. There were much discussion about just how Peggy was able to wield all of the Infinity Stones and how her alliance with Kohorty was a gamechanger - it's all can be explained, yes. I have another question - how in the Nine Realms vibranium still able to withstand all the power of Strange Supreme and not even crack? Must I remind that equal shield was broken by Thanos with just his blade and physical strength? And Thanos WAS actually defeated by Strange Supreme, we saw it in the same episode!
Not to mention, Wanda’s raw power was enough to break Thanos’s blade, the same blade that destroyed Cap’s shield, so if Wanda could do that in her infinity war era before she was even fully powered, there’s no possible way Supreme wasn’t powerful enough to do the same at this point if not completely disintegrating it on contact, i mean we’re talking beyond multiversal level
Right!!!! Right???? Thank you for pointing this out, i have never seen one mentioning this. The vibranium's only one of the most powerful (that we know) on earth, not universal, not to mention multiversal now 😭
@@banganne602lmao. Vibranium isn't the most powerful on earth. Adamantium is the most powerful, ask wolverine about adamantium lol
@@darthjedi3287 oh okay thank you!! Now i know!!
Kahori has part of the power of one stone and she somehow had enough power to almost defeat strange herself? Marvel needs to get there game together and fast.
supreme strange is capable of destroying an entire universe but which is something not even the infinity stones can do and somehow he still lost? oh wow marvel, he quite literally can match and even surpass the powers of the infinity stones combined- ultron who was capable of destorying galaxies was surprised by strange's power like-- HE SHOULD HAVE WON
I wish strange supreme said at the end before he fell into the forge “Fly you fools” as this parallels both the balrog and Gandalf falling into the abyss.
The reference was obvious enough
Ok how did strange get beaten, like they should've explored and explained it more, and him turning bad again is pretty annoying like he was supposed to be redeemed and doing he's punishment.
Terrible writers who must destroy likeable characters and replace them with generic ones
Strange had powered up so much he wasn’t hurt in the least by any of the attacks, even a direct strike from all the infinity stones barely managed to stun him long enough to lose control of the demons he absorbed, the only thing that could even kill him was the forge that he made, and he chose to go willingly.
Honestly thought strange was gonna do a nick fury and gather people to fight a new big baddy but nope disappointing
That’s America Chavez’ job
Fun fact--- 1 bullet is enough to kill peggy But she can stand infront of blast which can destroy reality.
Correct😂
How can Captain Carter tank a blast from the destroyer? Captain America couldn’t. That blast is powerful enough to hurt and potentially kill Thor. Also, how is she using all of the infinity stones without any damage? Hulk couldn’t even do that. They should have had Hela beat Strange, that would have at least been believable. Someone over at what if has a hard on for Haley Atwell. Her strongest form should be equal to Captain America. She isn’t equal to Thor or Hulk on her best day.
The armour lets her use the stones, exactly the same reason killmonger used the stones in the last season. Strange even comments on it in this clip.
Plus she's female. That adds up to over 9000 Plot armor
@@Barely_Editedthat doesn’t explain the scene where she held them in her hand. Or the fact she can beat Strange just throwing hands, even without the infinity stones?
Literally i can't beleive it. i only have one thing to say and that is they both are nothing against strange and he himself sacrifised and was not defeated
literally plus the kahoori character i liked her episode but in this finale she was just shouting on strange and saying bad like she can defeat her easily what this needs to have an ego check strange could killed her but again plot armor i guess
Writers: “So how many power ups should we keep giving everyone in this fight?” The others: “until you lose count”
It doesnt make any sense how dr strange was able to capture more powerful villians like infinity gauntlet Thanos, ultron,hela and what not but couldnt beat kahouri and carter. And carter just punched her away out to beat strange
He probably took them by surprise
6:46 This was so stupid 😂
Ik. How did she not die from holding all the infinity stones?
@@alexperez1591apparently kahori put a force field around them
Powers levels are so shitty.
I really hate they made strange a villain again bruh and i can't really take captain carter taking no risk holding the 7 infinity stones in her hands like at least she should've lost an arm
yeah I find it stupid they essentially erased his entire redemption arc to make him a villain and Carter should have definitely had some drawback to using the stones while they were in her hands
An arm? She should have been deleted from existence. That would be better.
What if writers are literally on dr*gs
I'm glad this episode happened. Now we have context for just how bad a multiversal conflict can get with all the tools that Marvel has. And keep in mind, this would only be a skirmish. How bad would all-out war be?
He Had Sacrificed his Whole Life For Christine but What Happened He Reborn his World but Without Himself
Never seen hela so helpless before..😅
😂
So all we had to do was watch Captain Carter playing Gandalf with the balrog falling into the chasm of Khazadum😊
This is probably a universe where simple basic fighting logic does not apply
TBH, I can buy Carter being able to wield a lot of the things she does in this episode, namely the infinity stones since it has been established since Loki Season 1 that their power and usability depends on the universe in question and you could theoretically afford to add more if they’re not at full power. That being said however, I feel like the priority was making all this a spectacle without thinking about how it works narratively later (which is Strange because other episodes balanced both very well). This really isn’t something you can’t do just because you can and completely expect everyone to follow.
Bro They Did Strange Dirty In S2 Bro He Would Walk Them Over Like Paper But They Made Him Lose Due To The Good Always Win 😐
う〜ん…このシリーズも目覚めちゃったのか…
What if is literally excuse for bad writing
Have you ever read a What If comic? They are usually pretty nonsensical. Just have some fun and get off your high horse.
@@lucascassol2995 You can have fun and have some credible writing, not much success for marvel lately with fun writing
That’s true but context is also important, the spin off-short form stories in animation are pretty perfect for just having fun with ridiculous concepts, even if it’s nonsense.
I think you're confusing writing quality with premise. Not everything needs to be the equivalent of a 5 star meal, sometimes you just want a drive thru burger or a microwaved mac 'n cheese for lunch. If you still insist on having a 5 star meal you can go eat at another place, you don't just keep going to Comic Book McDonald's expecting a Wagyu Beef. Hell, make your own meal if you can't stand them serving you trash.
@@youraverageguy4930this was the final episode of the season. It had to be 5 stars. So your argument is invalid
Its because of the watcher was secretly empowering Peggy that's why she was able to hold the stones and even do the things she did The watcher was the hero all along😅
Dr strange supreme is real alpha character not peggy
Wait, didn't Strange supreme to be more humble? That's literally his plot in What if s1 (still prideful, but more understanding)... And now sometime later... he just became evil? Like what??? Man... Marvel is just taking Ls after Ls since phase 4. If they can't make creative ideas on a literal "choose your own adventure" type of show... Then there is no hope but to reboot everything past phase 3. Like c'mon, this show now has become a missed opportunity.
They glazed Peggy a lil too hard in this season..
Dr simp rebuild his home universe to bring back christine but he never existed, that's the ultinate simp ever
Does this mean the time stone is literally erased too along with the other creature things inside him
Uhg....what even. He shouldn't have been that beatable. Dude carried the entire team duringnUltron battle and ate a galactic.explosion like it was a skittle. This was such bullshit.
Mary sue vs chad strenge.
This show me about how character scaling just doesn’t work on fiction, it’s depend on writer only 💀
This plot was something out of 2 children arguing during play time
MF Strange Supreme if he would have absorbed that One damn Bug that he stole the Cafe from he would have won 😢
He was a Good guy doctor strange rip
Two episode in one video? Why? For which purpose? Still dont understand
Wtf is this powerscaleing and isnt "kahhori" using just base space stone power like wtf is happening
Girl power again. This is what slowly kills MCU. And not just girl power. A she-grunt hero wielding all stones and surviving.
The black panther also had a handful at 6 and didn't die because she couldn't either
why exactly does kahhoris power work outside the strange tesseract world ? and how the fuck can the tesseract make her so op ?
Because she has Bullshit as a ability and its Rank EX. Which means the writers want to push her even if it doesn't make sense for her development to be in this in ghe first place.
She is basically teenager Captain Marvel, she got her powers from the power stone as is basically a walking infinity stone. Her fighting Strange I can understand, but not Carter. The only explanation I have is that it didn't look like Strange wanted to hurt Carter.
why ? Because the people who were "colonized" were infinitely better and smarter than the colonizers . Just a woke propaganda .
If we're comparing kahori to a slightly weaker captain marvel who got demolished by a dreamwalkin wanda , the math ain't mathin .@@Ed_Games234
Her character is so off, why didn't they bring white Hela back, i don't mind if S-Strange defeated by her.
Man I forgot I can’t read comments that Marvel fans make yall really choose to complain instead of enjoying the action they had going on 😭😭😭
When you look at it, no male character simply has superpowers, he either invents them himself: Iron Man or goes through a very difficult path and acquires that superpower: Supreme strange. What about female characters? He is given super power from somewhere, and he masters that power without going through any path.
I never liked strange but it's pretty sad how they did him dirty
Naaah captain carter be using those stones like her own basic Skills aint no way Hulk, peter dying and iron man died just because using the stones once
People moaning about this didn’t pay attention to the episode. She can use the stones without being hurt because of the armour they’re in, Killmonger could use the stones and not get hurt so why y’all not moaning about that? and Strange wasn’t defeated by Carter, he let himself be killed. just pay damn attention
Infinity suit, legendary weapons, and yet it took stranges willpower to beat himself. Which is why his true potential is kept a secret in movies otherwise thanos was a joke to this guy 😂😂😂.
Movie name?
was this ep directed by woman?
😂😂
What makes you think that?
Supreme Strange in Season 1 should have power equal to Infinity Ultron and in these Season 2 he should have power at least close to The Watcher himself. They literally do dirty to him, and throwing away all of his character development.
Why would Strange a guy who knows Captain England specializes in close combat go in close combat with her?
I think the thing that disappointed me the most about this fight is the fact it’s a considerable step down in creativity compared to Ultron. Like there’s still a handful of moments that are super creative, but like Ultron and Strange were throwing new attacks out every time. Like they still created beams and what not, but it was once in a blue moon while this was 75% beams.
6:46 MF should have just turned into atoms the moment she touched it wth, by this logic, Tony should still be alive
Ronan held the power stone for like 20 seconds and was completely fine.
@cythism8106 yeah, one singular stone and only for a few seconds before putting it on his hammar, you could even say his Kree armour withstood some of the damage
@@Dawn23716 wasn't Carter also wearing armor? Not to mention she held the stones for all of one second.
@@cythism8106 the kree race is much much superior to normal humans.
@@cythism8106that armor is bullshit, it makes no sense. Ultron was able to wield the stones cuz he's a bloody robot, they don't get affected by radiation but look at thanos,hulk and tony, they were rekt by the stones power and radiation but this mf Peggy somehow managed to hold em and use em without dying from the radiation. Welcome to the Era of M-SHE-U
I’m I the only one that wishes strange won the fight?
Tell me your character is a Mary Sue, without telling me they’re a Mary Sue…
Damn, why couldnt we have this instead of the Multiverse of Madness?
Very sweet battle ❤
Superhuman Durability Energy Absorption Energy Projection Flight Portal Generation teleportation Force Field Self Duplication via matter manipulation transmutation via matter manipulation Telepathy Gravity manipulation Super Strength All Of Stranges powers shown in this battle
Who’s the blue glowing lady? Name of show?
Kahhori (What if? Season 2).
Increible como la indigena le da pelea con apenas una fracción del poder de u a gema😂
My favorite doctor strange 😢
It's basically a spit to the face from the writers to Strange for being too op
Its a mix of 2 episodes
Captain America how hold stones 😅
Esto es mas que inlogico...😐 Es absurdo que strange supremo pierda contra una carter con gemas...😒 Ni ultron infinito con las gemas mas poderosas pudo vencerlo, hasta las gemas se estaban quedando sin poder, por favor disney, no hagas 3stup1deses...😠
Question how did Captain Carter manage to control and survive the infinity stones on her because in Avengers endgame Hulk(Bruce) got his arm burned and Tony sacrificed his life by using the stones to blip Thanos and his army.
Why thay allways use laiser
MCU is complety turned in to M-SHE-U.Dr strange has become more powerful and was able to defeat and capture all those powerful beings like Thanos with infinity gauntlet,infinity ultron,infinity killmonger,hela,thor,loki and so many other powerful beings, and lost to peggy with infinity gems and kahori who got her power from one infinity gem😂.He could have wiped them from existence but what can we do this is just bad writting.They killed my favorite character in mcu and for that I would not watch mcu from now on.And for the record strange supreme could solo the entire DCEU by his own.
Plot armor Peggy
It's so hard to take any scene seriously when EVERYONE QUIPS! For once, can't they just shut up and let the audience take in the stakes?!
Spence when were all the marvel editors female? No seriously all of the super overpowers weapons that are supposed to have no contest all belong to or are FEMLE
Her plot armor was insane
The final battle isn't as bad as the weird men online think it is. Here's some notes. Carter was wearing kilmongers infinity armor. It'd be weird if she couldn't use the stones. Ultron with the stones beat Uatu, Carter can stand toe-to-toe with Strange. While the last season already had a team-up ending, and could risk being repetitive, it definitely felt less impactful without it. The portal battle had entertainment value, seeing them gear up, and Strange eat said gear. The main issue, is how even though they made Kahhori feel formidable, they want us to invest in her story too quickly. They should have introduced her in the comics first to establish a fanbase. They could have established her as an adversary for Strange Supreme, or increased her display of cosmic power more, some degree of foreshadowing. The overall fight was dazzling, the final act of Strange Supreme being brought down by his own inner turmoil was touching. To the people constantly crying about woke media. Okay, boomer.
But why is Strange a villain here?
@Awesomeflame16 Because people fall back into bad habits easily, Strange made the great sacrifice, but was either: - Still held back by his pursuit of bringing back his love. - Or was being manipulated by the corruption that came from absorbing all that power. This caused him to seek out more control over the multiverse, trapping various peoples he envisioned being the next "Multiverse Avengers" There is also the fact his episode last season was SO good, and he definitely fits the villain esthetic.
"I am a woke shill and anyone who disagrees with me is a weird man"
Marvel creates the most over powers weapons and then adds mid tier ones and somehow the mid tier ones make the actually good ones look weak?
Very good
OK I just want to ask how many times Thors hammers been broken because Nathah feels like a story Hella Odin, and now evil version of Doctor Strange brought this point Thors hammer is probably now gonna be the weakest weapon ever at 6:12
once i saw that the main character was a woman we all knew that they would give her ALOT OF PLOT ARMOUR
It’s not plot armor bud, it’s called having a strong independent female character 💀 Also known as Bull shit
@@kindplanet1 well it is 2024 they gotta make woman the strongest thing in existence in every fictional franchise
I can feel the msheu coming inside of me