What Does Xbox Need To Do To Win Next-Gen?
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Better Games. There you go, answer is simple.
Sony just laid off 900 people because their games were too expensive
Consoles are dying. Xbox has 1 gen left. PS has 1 1/2.
@ContrastCopy And ms layed off 1900 employees a couple of months ago.
@@ContrastCopy And how many expensive Triple A games are trash compared to the many great AA and indie games that cost a fraction to make?
@@garyr5866that number is just because Xbox had a big acquisition and they needed to cut some fat.
a competitive base console…a strong first party showing …unique games
They just need an identity at this point first person shooters probably, as much I meme on Sony making games that feel like movies they have an identity, same with Nintendo they make fun single player games and co-op games. Xbox or Microsoft on the other hand just throw shit on the wall and see what sticks.
Microsoft has to use their wallet and do whay sony does. Moneyhat
MS Hardware is decent. They need to give reasons for consumers to buy their console or join their gaming ecosystem. They can have the most powerful console and no games and no one will be interested to join their platform. So, it all comes down to compelling value, and in the gaming industry, means great games that players can only play on XBOX. Going 3rd party makes no sense, since no one is really interested in their studio’s games enough to make sense. If their studios makes compelling games that Sony and Nintendo gamers like, they would have bought an XBOX to play it. Since they don’t even have enough great games, I don’t see how going 3rd party will save them. This is in contrast to Nintendo who has great 1st party games and weakest hardware spec-wise. Gamers would love Nintendo to go third party because they want Nintendo games. XBOX doesn’t have these caliber games. - hence that is MS XBOX biggest issues. Lack of great games that no one has played before it was released and couldn’t be experienced anywhere else but on XBOX. Have a few games like this, and they will get gamers into their platform. To entice 3rd party preference of XBOX, they should port Office 365 to XBOX, and include it to XBOX Live/GamePass without increasing the price further. Imagine games + Office 365 + 5TB one drive and optimize for XBOX consoles (they can use on Windows Desktop too). Now XBOx because a gaming and home education console. Instead of having just one console per family, this could be 1 console per child. Even XBOX Series S would sell a lot as an educational system.
@@gene081976Heavily agreed. MS is focused on synchronization which is cool and all, but without exclusives, I'd rather stick with Steam between my PC and Steam deck. Gamepass is another selling point , but personally it's not a good enough pull to take me away from Steam for most of my library. As long Sony and Nintendo make good first part exclusives, I'll probably purchase their system and games.
They been doing that all gen
Sony and Nintendo to quit
Well...shit. Straight shooter ain't you? 😂
Xbox 360 beat PS3 though
@@DarkStryder360that was 2 generations ago
@@DarkStryder360 PS3 ended up selling more than the 360
PS3 outsold Xbox 360 in January of 2013 and Wii outsold them both by +15 millions@@DarkStryder360
The solution is simple: make good exclusive games again. The 360 did well for that sole reason. The Halo 3 hype was gargantuan, Gears of War was a new concept that everyone loved, Forza was getting popular. We need massive innovative Microsoft games again.
According to their CEO “making great games isn’t enough”
wouldn't say the sole reason - the ps3 launch was a total mess, and the marketing from Sony was horrific... and considering the base xbox was $200 cheaper than the base ps3...yeah.
@@destinsather9757 it's true, at best people would buy a pc to play xbox games. As a console the series x is amazing, one of the best consoles they made, personally I prefer it over the ps5, but I didn't see the narrative change or people considering an Xbox more, unlike in the past, you have a whole digital library you want to take with you to the next generation. And let's not talk about journalists spreading doubt about every game wether its going to come to Ps instead of the narrative they push when Sony releases an exclusive, just buy the console if you want to play the game.
@@EvilMammal and yet it eventually caught up to the 360 in sales, because it eventually got great games. It’s proof of concept. Although I will agree that the price of the 360 and things like Xbox Live really did give them an advantage. But I’d still say if they didn’t have any good exclusives they wouldn’t had done nearly as well. I bought a Xbox for Halo, so I guess I’m a living testimony to that.
@@joshjmilliPS3 just didn't get great games, but 360 went all in on Kinect and abandoned their core audience.
Better games despite what Phill says.
Better games don't sell without marketing. Sony can release turd after turd and have them sell like hot cakes because of viral marketing and buying if game "journalists" like ign and kotaku. MS simply doesn't market their games nor their services. Lots of People online still don't know there's a Windows 11 nor the fact that MS owns Chat GPT. That's how bad their marketing is.
@@dreadlord2704san Marketing definitely hurts but I mean, good games are still good games. Most of Sony's games are very good to excellent. Might not be everyone's type of game but they are very cinematic at least. Starfield was pretty average and felt a bit soulless at times, though I quite like it. However, they just are not willing to take risks and create something great at this point. Theyd rather buy up existing 3rd party studios and make them exlcuisve to where Gamepass is.
@@chalpua8802 On the contrary they are taking too many risks instead of being formulaic like Sony, Ubisoft or EA. They are spending too much money on experimental games like Redfall, Starfield, Indiana, Awoved, Hellblade 2 when they need to be releasing sequels and remasters to Halo, Gears and Fallout. Gamers are suckers to remasters and sequels.
@@dreadlord2704san "They are spending too much money on experimental games like Redfall, Starfield, Indiana, Awoved, Hellblade 2..." You haven't played many games if you think those games are experimental.🤣 Also, Microsoft released Halo Infinite, and no one really cares about that one. But gamers are suckers to sequels, right?🤣
@@G360LIVE that was sarcasm.
"Xbox is not suddenly going to be successful just because we make great games." Phil Spencer
He is not wrong, Gamecube and the Dreamcast had a lot of great first party games but they were not successful consoles.
He's right. Even if Hellblade 2 is awesome and gets a 10/10 rating there will be haters. Plus one game won't appeal to everyone. It also doesn't make Playstation games bad. They would both have great games. So it will take consistent releases and even then enough of them to bring people in. It doesn't mean these gamers will then leave the Playstation or Nintendo. They will aim to own all of them. I own both the Series X and PS5. Will have to see what Nintendo brings with their new console.
The difference is Xbox, 3 & a half years in, has 2 space games, 2 racing games, & Redfall....& that's it....
Such a loser
Phil is like the worst salesman I have ever seen. At least with Don Matrick he was just going along with Microsoft's vision of having a multi media device that does everything in the living room that they were already trying to do since putting Windows on the OG Xbox prototype. Phil has spent 10 years of gaslighting people into believing he is "one of them" and slinging shet across the room and seeing what sticks. ReCore, Quantum Break, Crackdown 3, Halo 5 and that all fails try to find the next thing. Gamepass, Cloud Gaming while ignoring leading and managing the trainwreck Xbox's future upcoming games will become.
100% agree with the Series X/S feeling like “More Xbox One” because of the same OS. Need that new console OS flair, or it feels like a scaled up last gen machine.
PS OS is still basically the same cross bar as it has been since PS3 yet it's not holding the PS back. I think the general public just need to stop being blind PS fanboys
The Nintendo switch is a 720p console yet it's the third most sold console of all time, games matter, specs dont
That and Nintendo has their release schedule down perfectly there is a new Nintendo published game almost every single month where as with Xbox all we have seen in the last 5 months is ports and DLC
@@AzaiaMonotadon’t forget to mention Nintendo’s 1st party stuff is almost always *quality*
Yes. Nintendo is great at releasing fast but freaking Xbox. Maybe hurry the studios up.
For a handheld is pretty sad. If anything it should have eclipsed the PS2 lifetime sales a long time ago by now. The market is saturated. There’s no growth in the console business. PC is the future growth of gaming.
@izaac7777 how is being the 3rd most sold video game device sad, it sold way more than the Gameboy, a staple of 90's culture
The success of a console is directly linked to how good the exclusives are. Microsoft is finding out the hard way with this "play everywhere" experiment.
I dont think a super powerful console would be that good of a move. The people with that sort of money are likely just to build a PC.
One of the problems is the better backwards compatibility is, the less likely to jump ship to a different vendor.
Yup. XBox had their opportunity with 8th gen when PS4 broke compatibility, but they just had to mess with the always-online nonsense, and excessive TV focus in marketing. Now the hill is a much steeper climb, and XBox doesn't really even have anything unique to them. Then again, Sony is somewhat diluting their appeal with the PC support too.
They lost all hope , when Phil said they don't need to make good games because good games don't matter, or something like that it's over all that matters is the games seriously
When did he say that ? I really doubt he ever said anything like that .
Two simple things: great exclusives and a lot of marketing. Apparently they’re going in the opposite direction.
Games are too expensive to keep on one platform though.
@@fcukugimmeausernameXbox, PC and Cloud are more than enough. Not having exclusives is much more expensive because it kills the console.
@@VaultBoy69Even PlayStation can't sustain the exclusives model now.
@@fcukugimmeausername PlayStation games are still console exclusives, they’ll never come to other consoles.
@@VaultBoy69well, who actually plays on cloud
A miracle at this point
Xbox already beatsplaystation easily in multiple ways
@@De1usionsofGrandeur is that why playstation is outselling Xbox 3 to 1 👀🙃
@@spinksy173 it was confirmed not to be 3 to 1... sales never proved somthing was better just that people bought it.... like the original xbox kinect actually broke Guinness world sales records... and it didnt magically become this fantastic product due to selling
@@De1usionsofGrandeur in what ways?
@@Andre-yy3en hardware, services, backwards compatibility, consumer friendliness, customer service, features, etc
If suddenly everyone who works for PlayStation and Nintendo have a heart attack, I think it's possible for Xbox to win.
MS cant just rely on hardware - It needs amazing exclusive games - simple...
@@okay7332Fingers crossed :)
@@okay7332😂
@@okay7332 "best exclusives we've seen in a while" is laughable. I'm sure you mean "best exclusives xbox has seen in a while" because none of those exclusives releasing from xbox this year are in the ballpark of Last of us, spiderman, God of war, uncharted type of quality and gameplay. Dont count your cards so early like you did with Starfield, Forza Motorsport and Redfall. you seen how those played out
They don't though. 2 space games, 2 racing games, & Redfall is the extent of the Xbox library. I always hear people tout last gen games from 2019 lol
@@gkey06 Forza horizon is the single most successful racing game ever, biggest IP for racing, Microsoft flight simulator is the most realistic flight sim Hellblade 2 is a visual masterpiece - GOTY contender Indiana Jones will do incredible numbers And many many more, Xbox has Activision now, which means they have more studios than playstation by a large margin and will over time release exclusives to do with them. Xbox is for the future honestly, They have multiplayer games down, Halo infinite is incredible, Forza horizon still going strong, Motorsport on the comeback - Redfall wasnt even Xboxs fault it was the publishers and Xbox had very little to do with the state it was in, do your research lmao. Starfeild launched great? No bugs on a game so big and was received genuinely well, just a mid 6-7/10 game not bad not amazing for many, I enjoyed. There is so many games that will be coming our due to this Activision deal, stop living in delusional these games could very well touch your beloved single player games - which i play two because i have both consoles Should add that spiderman 2 was a disappointment - Sony has nothing fucning planned for the foreseeable future its all remakes and no new IPs, Xbox has so many more in the works - Helldivers 2 is unbelievable though holy shit I cant stop playing that game lol
Imo its to late for Xbox to come back..They let Halo Die, They are horrible at communicating now all we get is a big corporation statements that says alot without saying anything important, Phil lost alot of credibility when he said "Great games dont matter anymore"
And to top it all off there is the online only DRM
They let Halo die? Halo infinite have more players than all gows together...
@@dusermiginte4647 ....🤣 yea if you grew up when Halo was Great you would understand more.. 343 already pulled the plug on infinite even tho they said it would be supported for 10yrs last month they said no more BP or major updates moving fwd..
People thought Nintendo died before Switch release too
@@f2o.f2oThing is, Xbox has been poor over the past two generations Nintendo hasn’t.
Release good games like in the Xbox 360 era.
360 was alright but tbh the original Xbox had the best exclusive titles
@@xBonafidexProdigy I loved my OG Xbox, but Xbox 360 got Gears of War, Halo 3, and Mass Effect within the span of one year.
@@xBonafidexProdigyI was going to post something similar. 360 wasn’t bad, but something got lost between that unique og Xbox flavor and the more mass market 360 content.
Nothing comes close to the GOAT, Halo 2 on OG Xbox.@@G360LIVE
@@G360LIVE Kinda crazy that those were all shooters. No wonder that became Xbox's reputation!
I do agree that the migration from Xbox One to Xbox Series was all too familiar. In many ways it was convenient that the controllers were the same and that the interface and console aesthetics were similar but altogether the similarities reduced the 'event' of purchasing and exploring a new console. It all honestly just felt like buying a new computer for work.
The same thing they always needed going into this generation. Excellent, high quality, exclusive (no PC version for 6 months/ 1 year) games.
This. Even if the consumer never intends to buy a PC, exclusivity is a strong incentive
That's the problem with Xbox, if everything is available on PC day one what's the point of owning a Xbox. Ideally what u said should of been what they should of done from the start of this generation.
@@Electro096 Exactly. That 6 month/1 year exclusivity is essential.
@@Electro096that's the weird thing, they sell their console at a loss, to promote their games and games pass, but if they release their game on pc and make a game pass pc version, they are just killing their console for no reason
The console is only for people who dont want the hassel of pc,Microsoft wants you to get a windows pc over an xbox truthfully speaking
Games. Buying studios does not give you great games. Encouraging your studios to make new IPs is risky, but it’s what the gamers wants. And that’s why Sony is dominating. Great single player games.
Sony don't have that many popular exclusives. And their games are underperforming which is why they tried to turn TLOU into an online game and why they're now porting their exclusives to PC. Nintendo is the only company doing it right from a business stand point
@@TheBadElfalmost of ps exclusives are popular, even days gone who didn't do well on release, is now popular, what are u talking about? Oh wait, sure, let's make popular ips into shitty live service games like halo infinity, that's a better idea
@@gerardopellegrini2698 My point is very clear. Read it again and try to understand it better
@@TheBadElf what point, u don't even have an argument to defend, u think saying " ps exclusives are not popular" is an argument?, ffvii rebirth is doing well, helldivers 2 is doing great, rise of the ronin is doing good a far as I know ( haven't play the game yet so can't tell), Spiderman 2 did extremely well, even ffxvi who "barely meet expectations" did well enough to sell 3m units in 4 days, and im talking about this and last year releases, so yeah, sony make great (mostly single player) games, then again, what are u talking about
@@gerardopellegrini2698 Playstation's profits have recently hit a decade low LOL. You don't know what you're talking about.
It's games, games, games and games. They need to get the most out of what they have.
They don't have that many AAA studios. Even less than EA or Ubisoft. Activision is stuck making COD so they don't have any studios that can make good AAA games.
@@dreadlord2704san They have enough studios to put out quality products. Two of the biggest games this year aren't AAA. Palworld and Helldivers 2 are doing quite well.
So much that they have is multiplat and more exclusives will certainly go multiplat, so they're just starting to feel like a 3rd party publisher. They've given up on xbox as a unique ecosystem.
Losers focus on winners. Winners focus on winning.
A winner is just a loser who wins.😉
A loser is just a winner who loses? 🤔
@@SICK_O Everyone wins, everyone loses. But like with sales, sometimes the difference between 6% success and 10% success is the difference between a poor salesman vs a great one. While in reality, success with only 1 out of 10 seems pretty awful anyways. Same thing with winning, a 10% rate could equal a winner in public perception vs the 6%.
Better games, better dev support (software tool, dev kits, and such), and for God's sake... a less confusing naming scheme.
You're not ready for Series X box 720 One
a miracle?
Even as much as a Xbox fan as I am, I fear that at this point you're right - a miracle is needed.
They just to find their own Switch. In 2017 Nintendo released a weaker, pricey console with ZERO backward compatibility that still outsold everyone else, despite a weak antecessor.
If Xbox finds its own thing - say, an Xbox which runs both XboxOS and Windows 11, or a Deck-like handheld Xbox, or a Switch-like hybrid Xbox - then they can not only match but surpass its competitors. Form factor entices people as much as games.
Pretty much, yeah
Ouch, straight to xbots balls.
Full backwards compatibility with previous consoles. Not make every thing related to internet downloads and cloud data
It would help if they made Xbox One games run better on Series X/S - new batch of resolution and framerate boosts and more backward compatible games.
As much as I hope they'll change, they won't. The whole cloud stuff is their business. Same with Windows.
Microsoft has been much better with backward comp. than Sony from the start .
Rumours of Microsoft releasing their next gen XBOX console a little earlier tells me they don't actually have a plan. This feels like a desperate attempt to get a jump on the console sales.
Could be smart if they make the thing powerful enough to last for some time .
I always liked the idea of a Windows big picture mode with every pc game including Steam account libraries but with the minimalism of a console, that would be the ideal Xbox
Turn it into a "Steam Machine"
You already have that in PC and steam deck
i would buy that. I have a PC but i want to game on the sofa on the TV. Barely anyone takes their PC from the desk to the living room.
You mean the failed predecessor of the SteamDeck?
@dreadlord2704san xbox has the resources to sell them at a lower cost and make it run windows from jump
@@huawafabesteamdeck or Asus rog ally
Es würde schon reichen, wenn ihr Sony nicht immer in den A... kriechen würdet ! Nintendo setzt auch nur auf Mario und Konsorten ! Mario hier, Mario da, Mario hier, Mario da !
Du hast recht.
Have real GOOD exclusives
A fucking miracle
I had the OG and the 360, I then moved to the PS4 due to the Xbox One pre-launch debacle and I am on PS5 now due to the lack of direction from Microsoft. You know what I liked during the OG and 360 era? A good lineup of games, most of them exclusives (even temporary) but more than that, real hard hitters. OG XBox: Halo 1 and 2, Jet Set Radio Future, Crimson Skies, Otogi 1 and 2, Riddick, KOTOR, Jade Empire, Fable 1, Steel Battalion, Splinter Cell, Top Spin, Ninja Gaiden, Panzer Dragoon Orta, Dead or Alive 3, Conker's Bad Fur Day. Xbox 360: Halo 3 and Reach, Gears of War, Ace Combat 6: Liberation of Gracemeria but also a lot of Japanese RPGs that were exclusive (at least temporary)! Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey, Eternal Sonata, Tales of Vesperia, Infinite Undiscovery, Bayonetta really superior version etc... Do you realize the power of those lineups compared to the current Xbox Series lineup. Sure the market has evolved and since new engines like Unreal, most of games are going multi-platform. But still, the reason I also got happy with the PS4? FF7 Remake, Persona 5, Yakuza 0, Nier Automata, God of War, Horizon, Uncharted for example were true exclusives unavailable on Xbox and even PC at that time. For the PS5 it's less appealing again due to how the market evolves, but still, the Spiderman series, Horizon and God of War again, FF7 Rebirth, FF16, Stellar Blade, Gran Turismo 7 are still titles that make it worth getting the console. On Xbox Series, except maybe Halo Infinite, I don't have reasons to buy the console or games are also immediately on PC (like HiFi Rush)
Thank god someone admits gamepass is not doing wat certain fans are claiming
Gamepass does have it's appeal for some no doubt but not something I'm interested in .
When I play my PS5 it feels like a New Experience (User Interface, Controller, PS VR 2, PS Portal.) When I play my Xbox Series X, NOTHING feels New (Same User Interface, Same Controller, ect.) as the last Generation had.
Don't think that's a big issue for most people , just have more games .
Since Xbox is allergic to modernizing their controllers, (and now can't with Game Pass). They need to focus on good games. Halo Infinite came out in a state it just shouldn't have for their flagship series. All these acquisitions mean nothing if the games coming out are Starfield and Redfall. You can say what you want about Nintendo and Sony, but their output of games and controller innovation is just not comparable.
Starfield was a roaring success though. 86 Metascore + most played Bethesda game ever + best-selling Bethesda PC game ever, lifetimes considered. Microsoft doesn't much care about Steam User Reviews or angry Sony fans bashing the game in web forums.
@@OneLastScholar Starfield is the "fastest selling" at launch, but player numbers dropped right after. 86 doesn't make it a critical darling either.
@@OneLastScholardiscrediting user reviews as "ps fanboys bashing" is desilusionaly dumb, the performance was trash, it was full of bugs that sometimes made the game unplayable, the exploration was shallow and the story was just ok, they paid 70$ for the game, they have the right to complain about the game issues
They need to make compelling unique games. And offer something you can only experience on the platform. Basically what Sony and Nintendo have been doing for decades and what they themselves did with the 360 generation.
Pivot to snapdragon ARM and make handheld which you can dock into a bigger box, which has discrete gpu, extra storage and controllers. Maybe have a couple of different skus of gpus. Base dock with no gpu for the cheapest config and then a couple of higher skus.
The Xbox hand held should have a seagate SDD port to put in your SDD drive into. You could the. Transfer your installed games on the console to the handheld with minimal effort
I believe they can shift their position in the market if they put time on making a handheld that are as powerful as Series S. Series S Portable with a docking system.
I agree but they just need to put the Xbox series S in a handheld form factor
@@theghost4040 I mean that’s obvious. Release a handful list of timed exclusive titles that only available on Xbox then release them on PC 6-8 moths later. People bought the machine because of the game available on them not because of how powerful they are. If all the titles available on Xbox also available on PC on day one, then chances of people downloading a crack going to be very high. They will ignore how cheap Xbox is compared to PC because you can literally play all exclusive AAA titles for free. Nintendo and Sony tight game release policy is the testament to that. Back then people bought so PS4 or Switch just so they can play plenty of titles that aren’t available on PC. With the rise of mobile gaming on smartphones, portable device makes much more sense now. They can use a slightly weaker GPU while handheld for 1080p gaming and add both AI chip (for AI upscaling) and secondary GPU to their docking system so that you can get a sharp and crips 4K presentation on your 55inch 4K TV. I believe people would still buy if it cost $150 more than a standard Series X cause the price increase is pretty much justifiable.
I think fsr 3.1 really needs to be standard for console gaming so that performance is there
Did the investment in the better silicon on the SX that Rich mentioned not pay off because devs either couldn't/wouldn't develop/optimize for it?
You can put a 4090 in an xbox and it would still only maintain parity with ps5 because of parity clauses and PS5 being the console devs first develop for
It's not that big of a difference against PS5 for devs to design games that specifically take advantage of it. Perhaps slightly better resolution and RT, but not much more.
I don't think so, when you look at the majority of gamers in the PC space, they too aren't using RDNA2 feature sets and above for the majority. How viable and good were these RDNA2 features that Microsoft invested in them, while Sony didn't because they spent time with developers and found these features weren't going to be the targets. Newer mesh shading for instance was an RDNA2 feature, but how many games are even using RDNA2 mesh shading? As far as raw performance goes, 12 tflops of RDNA2 vs 10.2 tflops of RDNA2 isn't even enough to justify or create a gap between 2 different Radeon GPUs of the same RDNA2 class. They did it to shoot for the excitement of "the worlds most powerful console" and it just didn't pan out as they were hoping. Sony made software solutions to some of the hardware missing features of RDNA2, and it simply worked out for them in the end. RDNA2 is also not known for strong RT either so there was never going to be a difference there. Sony really weighed it out and talked with developers to get an idea of how the next generation was going to go, Microsoft wanted to try to shoot for the hardcore crowd of "the worlds most powerful console" and now know they are actually the minority of gamers.
@@Mcnooblet Alan Wake 2 doesn't run on gtx class gpus simply for their lack of mesh shaders. Sony uses primitive shaders which Alan wake 2 and Cyberpunk use. Sony was forced to come up with solutions since they lack dx12 technologies. Their faster ssd is literally to make up for their lack direct storage tech. The truth is if series X were the higher selling console devs would have squeezed the hell out of rdna 2 feature set.
Hey DF, I thought it was always about the Games and love of video games and the technology behind them and being that there's no partiality we ultimately want all platforms to win. Or these types of ongoing themes are just job security?
Could Xbox make a modular console that could use a hybrid of specific console but also some PC parts? Then the handheld could have some of that to a way lesser extent but would also be the more budget friendly console.
Microsoft wants out of the hardware business. Let's be honest, if they wanted to they could outspend Sony and get every third party deal on the planet and make Xbox dominant . They simply don't have the hunger to compete in a dying console space. Mobile and cloud are where the future is at and Apple holds the keys to the golden gates. That's why the lawsuit against Apple to open up their ecosystem.
@@dreadlord2704san not very cost effective to spend that much money. A lot of money doesn't mean infinite money and the FTC has always been willing to target them. The Surface is hardware, they seem to be sticking to that and they have shown regret not staying in the mobile phone market.
So when Xbox supposedly had the most powerful console they were creaming their jeans. Now It's Sony and "Power just doesn't matter anymore". You can't make this up.
Yup
Make good games and mint them on these cool, shiny little plastic circles I saw once
Solid exclusives that's it, they're literally too rich to lose why the heck aren't they investing massively in a vision of exclusivity where they make games that everyone wants to play? This works like magic for sony and nintendo, the fact that the one party with unlimited money incredible power can't make this happen is insane.
Why did Alex get frustrated and say "whatever" when rich was talking about ps5 outperforming series x. Why would he care lol
Games, need a lot of (good) games. They own so many studios but the output has not been great. Had high expectations of Starfield but that was not fully met.
at least youre honest.
They are releasing 10+ first party games this year though..
@dusermiginte4647 yaaay 10+ first party games. after how many years of releasing nothing but halo and forza? You guys are apologetic to xbox. The abysmal Xbox one generation should have made you guys not even buy a Series X
Yeah but what can they do when the studios they own produce shit ?
@@gkey06 uhm.. one first party game last year and zero first party games this year.. You were saying?
Idk if there’s really any chance anymore. I think they need to be comfortable operating in third place, and branch out to strategies that’ll keep increasing profit from a business standpoint. There is one chance though. If they made the Xbox consoles run windows 11 and had the Xbox interface as a Steam Big Picture mode sort of option, I think they would really jump up. They would be the most affordable gaming pcs on the market, keep the Xbox name, keep the Xbox store, but allow full pc capabilities.
The solution is to advertise disney does it, netflix does it, and so does hulu. If MS put out ads saying what's new on gamepass people would subscribe. Right now all people that don't follow Xbox know is that MS has another subscription service and not what's in it. I would go as far as some people not knowing there's a subscription service. Plus MS needs to change the naming some people right now think it is still the Xbox one series X and S. The interface being the same doesn't help either.
They need to just be a 3rd party developer.
So poonies can buy their exclusives foe $200 a piece and new consoles for $1200.. yeah, competition is so bad.. Poonies are sooooo fking clueless.. 😂
They need to do more than just say our box has best graphics. Ever since the kinect they havent innovated because they are scared to.
The fact that their main marketing gimmick this gen was "most powerful box" & yet became the console with more inconsistency & texture issues, and occasionally whole PC-like stutters (likely from having half the I/O than what PS5 ended up going with) really makes it hard to see what the appeal is for them this gen, especially now that Game Catalog is a thing. I'd be very interested in buying an Xbox handheld if those rumors are true, but as for at-home consoles, it's hard to see what their point is atm.
How has Sony innovated? Psvr2, that bombed.
They need to stop putting games on other platform and start going after devs who purposely downgrade games on Xbox to make PS look better like Capcom
@@ContrastCopy how is selling more than the previous generation "bombed"? Are you okay? Is Xbox not able to be propped up without trying to swing at something else?
😂 the most powerful console bs indeed. Looks at halo infinite that looked like a wii game. Inconsistent brick. Terrible situation xbox Is in.
As someone living in Uk , Xbox need up there advertising , maybe have time delay on 1st party games going onto game pass might drive sales . Or make good mid tier console at 200-300 price point as lower price = better sales with game catalog.
I think working from home has been the biggest hangover from COVID. It's a poison to overall productivity.
Get Outrun Coast to Coast sorted to play on back compat…
i think its clear as pointed out here, one is xbox need to move away from AMD. Xboxs next console moving to nvidia would likely have a tangable performance improvement over the next sony console, and dlss tech would be awsome. and two, a dedicated handheld, powerful with nvidia tech released alongside a new console would definetly get people excited again in xbox hardware.
Nvidia has been known to be an awful partner for both Sony and MS. Even Nintendo was just a good opportunity for Nvidia to get rid of all those vanilla X1 and not invest much in RnD. Switch 2 may prove that Nvidia has changed but there is a reason why MS and Sony (and even Apple) dropped Nvidia in the past.
@@ZratP theyd be more expensive no doubt. but. its all about generating excitment for there next console. and xbox coming out strong with an nvidia based machine, especially if ps5 go amd again, well that would generate alot of buzz around the console, it would no doubt be more powerful than the playstations amd solution, but having dlss instead of fsr would be very exciting as fsr is crap and way better ray tracing. them going nvidia would generate alot of buzz around there product within the industry, which is exactly what they need. i believe that, plus bringing out a handheld aswell, that would get people talking about xbox again.
Nope
The thing that made me buy a Series X wasn't Microsoft games it was it's backwards compatibility all the way back to some OG xbox games and upscaling some of them to 4K and even adding HDR and 60fps. I use it to mostly as a retro game machine to play tings like Sonic Generations, FEAR, Ninja Gaiden etc. If MS were to focus more on that, because they seem to have given up, I would continue to buy their consoles as they were the only ones really doing anything about back compat.
That’s a huge reason for me buying an Xbox, too. Jim Ryan made it clear that Sony didn’t really care about older games. That sealed the deal for me.
@@seth4321 Didn't seal the deal for the majority though, so he made the right call. Not everything is about each person individually, as it is impossible to make everyone happy as they all want everything, including opposite of each other. Sony made the right calls, they won this one, this time. Microsoft is changing their approach and going after different goals now.
Same here dude. To play my 360 library
Xbox OS on PC platform would be great - Even if it only accessed Game Pass to avoid copy protection issues with physical media. Low level operating system experience for gaming is very interesting.
It's difficult if not impossible for series X to jump ahead while tethered to series S. Series S was a stupid idea.
Microsoft needs to get rid of us, the ones who still remember E3 2013. Forcing things on your loyal customers that way, it's not an easy pill to swallow. Sony PSN increased the price which made it hard for people to connect with friends and stay engaged.
It's about the games.
It's better having just one spec per brand per generation. The benefit of consoles rarely mentioned is it offers a uniform global specification for developers. Developing games is hard enuff, a unified ecosystem removes a huge variable from the equation
When are you going to cover Brotato? You need to let us know how it can run at 4k 60fps.
Unique and different exclusives. Halo and Gears are great but we need more variety like Hi Fi Rush, besides I never seem a company spend so much money and delivery almost nothing in 4 years of a generation :(
There hasn't been a new gears of war in over half a decade.
Most of the money was spent in buying mobile game studios like King
Lol, they have no chance. They just sent notice to devs that they, devs, should avoid sexy female characters. So when they are concerned about stuff like that I doubt they have capacity to focus on actually important part... making good, not DEI or other BS games.
Start with the getting rid of the batteries in the controls.
Why hasnt microsoft done the valve thing where you can boot xbox mode or windows mode. The stean deck is awesome in that regard
Nothing. It's impossible. The Halo franchise is pretty much forgotten by casual players, Gears is in good hands but one good exclusive is not enough to be a system seller. What other exclusive does the Xbox brand has? Some fucking racing game? It's ogre and Microsoft already knows this, which is why they're planning on releasing a bunch of former exclusive games on PS5.
Idk if this year MS has better exclusives than Sony is right. Just like a quarter into the year Sony already has 2 exclusives that are GOTY contenders in FF7Rebirth and Helldivers 2 and still has Rise of Ronin and Stellblade coming out in the near future while Xbox has Palworld and nothing else until like May or June when Hellblade 2 comes out
Sony has confirmed they having absolutely nothing launching from their first party studios for the rest of 2024. They’re not much better off.
That’s not what they said. They said no major franchise till 2025. Misinterpreted as no games. The doors still open for smaller franchises or any new ip like Concord that releases this year.
If MS goes with Nvidia what happens to backwards compatibility?
Honestly I have no issues with Xbox and had one for a long time as my main platform to play on but I really and truthfully doubt that Xbox will ever “beat” Sony in anything anymore. Sony just has such a massive lead and so many loyal customers that they’ll always have it. Xbox could be the superior console in every way and still probably under sell compared to Sony.
Actual exclusives. And interesting ones at that.
I want to then to stop putting exclusives on pc day one. If they are to get an Xbox game, they should get it when the console game is finished and they can concentrate on the port properly. Take Forza for instance, the majority of complaints about performance are from pc players. Yet it's Xbox's name that gets dragged through the mud.
Very simple, more good games.
Right at the end there it sounded like you were suggesting the 3DO.
I agree with many points here on MS direction. I think they can go this way next gen. 1) I like the Xbox os console concept. Xbox os runs as a hypervisor where windows 12 let say is an app you can run that will give you a full desktop windows experience. Now your not just buying a console your buying a PC. Now you have more users. How many people will buy a computer that also happens to be an Xbox. 2) the handheld can leverage the Xbox os hypervisor but also when your in the same wifi network as your Xbox stream the console or PC version of Microsoft games. Play with all the bells and whistles no reduced graphics. 3) they can offer a higher tier at launch based on discreet PC GPU get closer to 1k dollars. 4) would be nice to see them leave AMD. Arm processors are about to come out for windows. It's ability to game will be a big driver. If the series S handheld and X console ande XX pro console all leverage arm CPU soc with Blackwell GPU architecture we will see developers flock to support it and it will drive adoption of equivalent surface tablets and notebooks.
apply FSR 3.1 to all games
And what will that do? The frame gen side wont do anything if games start going back to 30fps The upscaling will help but not much as they are trying to upscale from really low internal reses to hit those higher frame rates people want... Also it wont do anything to save Xbox as a brand. They need games that people want to actually play, they literally haven't released anything good in a very long time.
Fun games, that's it.
i think they should design a modular upgradable console
Why not let Steam stream to Xbox consoles like with a Steam Link app on the Xbox?
Make a good AAA game, HI FI Rush doesn't count. Halo used to respected and liked and Starfield was hyped to be the game of all time and they messed both up
Over 35M people played Halo Infinite..
@@dusermiginte4647 4 500 players on average the last 30 days (halo) vs 13 000 (battlefailed 2042)
@@dusermiginte4647 yeah but after 1-2 months everybody quit because of a severe lack of content
Unfortunately, the wonderful weirdness of the console market that existed in the 1990s is gone and that wild west feel will never come back. What I really want is more companies entering the console market (Samsung? Apple?) but that’s an absurdity at this point. We are stuck with two uncreative mega-corporations literally getting parts from the same source and Nintendo playing in its own sandbox making them look foolish.
Nintendos sold so many because parents buy them to shut the kids up on journeys lol. I know I’ve brought two!! Me and the Mrs both play ps5 because… games
What if they did a boot into Windows Desktop option. Like the Deck does with Linux.
How about making expandable storage without there being proprietary nonsense. Thats the only reason u can't catch a break with the price on storage cards for xb. I got a WD 2tb nvme last year for my PS5 for $125. That cant ever happen with my XBox.
The worst Sony console has sold better than the best Microsoft console. 👋
what, PS5 is the best console ever
Well that's not true
@@ThinkTinkhno? Xbox 360 sold 85.7 millions of consoles, while ps3 sold 87.4 millions
@@Andre-yy3en ah you meant by popularity. I thought you meant by sales numbers and the worst selling Sony console is currently the ps5 at 50 or so million
Indeed PS3 outsold xbox 360. Playstation always win. Lol the blind people in denial ps Is far superior.
Microsoft have fluffed it up majorly, losing the Xbox one gen by such a margin has sullied any type of revival. Awful marketing and a generation of uninspiring titles lead to a poor console player base leading to further poor sales on exclusives. Wouldn’t be surprised to see Microsoft pull a ‘Steam machine’ in the future. Microsoft are simply their own worst enemy.
I believe that cloud gaming is more next gen vs the box under the tv. So phone cloud and PC is the future! But i do think the partnership with Nvidia is what Xbox will use in the next-gen hardware / server blades
I'm mostly about vr gaming now. Hardly play flat screen games
They're not going to. The Playstation brand is just too culturally entrenched outside the US. The only way they could really win is if Sony or Nintendo make some major, irreversible misstep.
It’s not possible Microsoft is going to leave the gaming industry halfway through next generation (The writing is on the wall anybody could see it)
@@okay7332 lol sure it is. Obviously you don’t know much about the gaming industry and you don’t know nothing about how Microsoft as a company works.
@@michaeldietz2648 I know far more than you ahahaha , someone who works in a fortune 500 FinTech company I promise you I do know lmao, they acquired activision for 69 billion Microsoft utilising that enormous amount of reserve cash is a commitment to the industry, They have the backing of the biggest company in history and have stayed committed to next generation and gamepass. The console is peoples entry into gamepass. Do you think they don’t know what they are doing? Of course they do they have all these exclusives lined up this year, far more than playstation mind you. They are obviously going to have exclusives come out of this activision deal they acquired so many studios they were just given the infinity stones. Xbox is part of Microsofts brand, to lose that would be an enormous hit to them and they wont do that anytime soon. A company worth 25x ( yes that much) more than Sony has a lot more leeway from cancelling projects. They have more money in reserve cash still than Sonys entire net worth. They are by all means too big to fail/quit - The gaming lineup alone this year says it all Coming from someone who owns both consoles it hilarious when someone who has one shits on the other its embarrassing. They reassured us in their “podcast” about all the rumours spreading and set in stone the direction they are going.
@@michaeldietz2648 They already have a head start into next gen, they are now on route to release more first party games than PS this year, they will continue to have exclusives from Bizzard and Activision they did not spend 69 billion for nothing - they have the best car game of all time arguably with no competition FH5 , best flight simulator - they have such an incredible variety of games coming, indiana jones, hellblade 2 and other massive titles coming. They have so many studios now they can utilise them, I suspect they can't announce many new exclusives from their massive acquisition of Activision, they will however in time. Gamepass is leages ahead if PS plus, i love my PS but Spiderman 2 let me down and they are announcing remakes. However, Helldivers 2 is amazing its incredible (wish halo took a page from their book) - In short for everyone saying they need a miracle please use your head - Xbox is far from in trouble they have just acquired the infinity stones studios wise - exclusives will stem from this - Microsoft went all in on Xbox with using that much reserve cash on gaming studios they are focusing on services and games now which is better late than never Very excited for the future of Xbox this generation is already better than the Xbox one far and away - they have came back and will continue to.
Microsoft's too dumb! What were they thinking? Trying to beat Sony and Nintendo at their own game? LoL! Xbox should be a publisher first and turn their console into a full fledge pc, that's the only way they could beat Sony and Nintendo!
@@blues05 Realistically I don’t think Microsoft is not smart enough to beat Sony, it’s that corporate greed will not allow them to. I’m sure somebody at Microsoft said something along the lines of do not buy Activision, invest into your own first party studios grow them, start making deals like Sony does to bring popular games to the consuls (for example go to square and say make us Crono trigger like you did With FF7 for Sony) put the Xbox consul first stop putting exclusives on PC (sorry but any game that goes to PC is not exclusive anymore and that goes for any of the big publishers) The problem is the higher-ups think that they can outspend Sony when art is something that cannot be bought. Microsoft does not know what they’re doing in the gaming industry and honestly they don’t belong in it they should get out.
They'd be absolutely fine if they just had a stable line up of exclusives from all the publishers they've bought, as long as they didn't do something stupid like make those exclusives multiformat.
Recently I’ve been wondering “What if Xbox offered free online?” I feel like that could sway people 🤔
With the recent no curvy female character in video games policy development, Microsoft is going to win nothing but gamer's middle fingers.
I was thinking about the latest interview with Phil Spencer and his quote about, basically, mutating the Xbox consoles into gaming-focused PCs, and at first I thought "well, Phil wants to let other stores be on Xbox so they then can go to regulators and demand Sony and Nintendo do the same as there'd be precedent". However, later I got into a certain realisation: If Xbox has PC games playable just by itself, then all the former PlayStation exclusives that Sony is now putting onto PC would be playable on Xbox as well, even if Sony doesn't want to. I still believe the way to make Xbox playable would be (would have been) if they made different levels of certification for games, in a way that makes the games certified linear. If Rockstar needs it, they can certify GTA 6 for Series X, but maybe EA certifies EAFC for Series S (and by virtue of that, immediately for Series X). And do it in a way where newer consoles would either have a new certification process that would autopass with former certifications (say, the next Xbox console "X") or set that console to have the same certification as others (say, a Xbox Portable with the same certification as Series S). Such a way, even though it would've needed a good deal of sweetening the deal for consumers, for example with stuff like allowing games to play on Cloud for lower end consoles, it would have streamlined the Xbox development pipeline for developers big time and effectively eliminated generations in a seamless way, as well as help Xbox themselves set up hardware without needing to train everyone for everything. Only downside would be not perfectly optimising for the console, but that's not something devs do due to extreme lack of time and proficiency on the platform.
Since they bought ACVB i really feel like Xbox could do more to improve old IP Black ops 4 could really benefit from a current gen patch. No reason it can't support 120fps
Replace Phil Spencer
Bobby Kotick in
Literally the only person Xbox is still alive. The people surrounding him don't seem to know what they're doing, though.
I mean, he’s the only one who theoretically pulled the Xbox brand out of the mud when Don Matterick fucked the Xbox image up for good in 2013. He’s not great, but are there other options?
@@lirfrank He doesn't know what he is doing... He literally didn't understand that games sell consoles. Which is funny as that is why Nintendo sells so damn well, they have amazing games which people are willing to pick up their consoles for. What games does Xbox actually have that is worth picking one up for??? None...
@@lilpain1997 I don't disagree that games are Xbox's biggest issue right now. But considering all of the course correct Phil has done, I don't actually think he doesn't understand that. I think that a lot of the studios are still carrying the poor management that they were given before Phil's time.
You guys got it all wrong. Nintendo didn’t prove specs don’t matter. It proved that software is king. Even with limited hardware. Microsoft has never been a gaming brand, never will be. It has no “soul” it has very few classic games under its umbrella. Every single time I hear about a new box coming, the only guys that get excited about it are the Halo guys and guess what - it can be played on a PC. Fable isn’t here anymore. MS bought a shit ton of studios just to press them to release average games that will be on PC anyways. There’s no reason to buy a box. Game pass alone won’t do it.
Or perhaps they should leave the console space altogether? It's not that I want them to go, but I often get the feeling Microsoft only cares about selling us high tech hardware and Gamepass (a carrier). But the software itself, the games on it? I just don't feel it. We're a long way off from 360's heydey. EDIT: Microsoft mimicking the SteamDeck handheld (seamless UI included), of course combined with Gamepass and maybe even Steam? Now that is a proposition I could get behind.
If Microsoft releases an "Xbox OS" that conso-ifies PC's for people who want that. They'll win. Then all they have to do is maintain the Xbox hardware as lower spec entry point, the console war will be effectively over. The steam deck showed that there's a market that wants a console experience with PC capabilities and Microsoft is poised to do that better than valve ever could.
This! Pcs are seen as complicated and unnecessary.
I feel like Xbox missed a huge marketing point by not tripling down on backwards compatibility. One of the main reasons i got a Series X first was that I could play a bunch of my fave games across gens on it by just opening up my disc collection and still play most current gen mainstream games that i want on it. Xbox wants this play anything, anywhere mentality in their products which is great imo, but being so hands off on their current software and also basically just cutting off backwards compatibility has left them in a state where their most hyped titles disappear from the public eye for years and people essentially have nothing but current games that devs openly (and rightfully) deprioritise for the more surefire platforms. And we know the attitude of some Xbox leads needs to change. Lets not forget how much Baldurs Gate 3 was shit talked in those leaked emails before it was a hit, and even then Larian had to fight to remove the feature parity clause to release on both the S and X. 343 leads like Frank O'Connor were known to be toxic for years and still led that studio into the ground for a decade before Xbox even looked at fully changing that studios leadership. And he only left last year! I do think Xbox in the long term has a much better plan than Sony when it comes to Xbox as a whole, but god is it frustrating watching them fumble really easy ways to win back people actually interested in their platforms.
The backwards compatibility is a bit worse than I was expecting too. The Gears of War games aren't consistent with FPS or resolution improvements.
Ditch customers like you. LOL I bought my "Next Gen" System to play my old games. ^^^^ It is EXACTLY why Xbox has been failing the console wars.
Xbox has always had weird anti-developer restrictions since the 360 days. The optional hard drive and requiring XBLA games to be under 50MB are just a couple examples. Now they have a weaker SKU holding things back, again, just like the 360 Core pack.