It's pretty amazing to think that the software industry is so young that the OG's are still alive today and can be interviewed like this. We've come a very long way in a very short time.
@ExpensivePizza2 жыл бұрын
Technically programming goes back further but yeah it's a new industry.
@monsterhunter445 Жыл бұрын
what is OGs?
@thesuperyou2829 Жыл бұрын
@@thesuperyou2829 It's a slang term that stands for "Original Gangster"
@ExpensivePizza Жыл бұрын
I never thought of it that way, but it's very true and very profound.
@RyoHazuki1 Жыл бұрын
I felt the same way when I came across this thumbnail
@ruslanfernandes1266 Жыл бұрын
The fact that I can watch conversations like these for free, with no spammed ads along the way is absolutely amazing. Keep up the brilliant work Lex!
@Wrathos4 жыл бұрын
Do you think will any of them consider Maria von france
@colingeorgejenkins94184 жыл бұрын
Dude, install ad blocker.
@romakrigin81784 жыл бұрын
Its not for free, his getting viewer base and thats more valuable than few cents out od advertise. Don't be fooled.
@hexploit27364 жыл бұрын
Adblock is not magic. You deny the content creator money for their work that you don't even have to pay for.
@ToastyWaffle4563 жыл бұрын
Ever heard of adblockers?
@klarnorbert3 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed this conversation with Bjarne. Here's the outline: 0:00 - Introduction 1:40 - First program 2:18 - Journey to C++ 16:45 - Learning multiple languages 23:20 - Javascript 25:08 - Efficiency and reliability in C++ 31:53 - What does good code look like? 36:45 - Static checkers 41:16 - Zero-overhead principle in C++ 50:00 - Different implementation of C++ 54:46 - Key features of C++ 1:08:02 - C++ Concepts 1:18:06 - C++ Standards Process 1:28:05 - Constructors and destructors 1:31:52 - Unified theory of programming 1:38:10 - Machine learning 1:44:20 - Proudest moment
@lexfridman4 жыл бұрын
Dear Lex Thanks for your effort and providing this opportunity...
@HasanBasri-vf2kg4 жыл бұрын
Great interview and great questions. Thank you Lex and Bjarne.
@diemaus58424 жыл бұрын
No AI?
@waqidj4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the timeline. It really helps me filter information! Great interview!
@djmilen4o4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the timestamps! This helps a lot and saves us so much time.
@GG-ms8ey4 жыл бұрын
This reminds me of Neo talking to The Architect in The Matrix.
@Mortum_Rex4 жыл бұрын
Kekeke
@superitgel13 жыл бұрын
Yes, but which iteration?
@Robert_McGarry_Poems3 жыл бұрын
Indeed it was lol
@0dyss3us513 жыл бұрын
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@sherylacree96083 жыл бұрын
@@sherylacree9608 You forgot to close the script;
@Robert_McGarry_Poems3 жыл бұрын
this man wasn't getting what he wanted out of the languages he had at his disposal, so he just said fuck it and created his own language and it became one of the best languages of all time. legend.
@jshook2 жыл бұрын
Cppfront is a legacy.
@yunjiehong4649 Жыл бұрын
except he is too nice of a guy to say the word fuck
@viisaus7187 Жыл бұрын
@@viisaus7187eah, but that showed he wouldn’t hesitate to take action when he faced an issue.
@yunjiehong464911 ай бұрын
I got to learn C++ at college. This guy is indeed epic haha
@olivierbertier52999 ай бұрын
That was good, however, maybe that should have gone to a portable library or synthetic, so you can give those power to another language.
@kogaryu55585 ай бұрын
"These C vs. C++ fights are for people who don't quite understand what's going on." Linus Torvalds: *Angry typing of e-mail intensifies*
@cheesuscheetos40763 жыл бұрын
@popasmuerf It requires a bit of knowledge to create the most used OS in the world. Linus also uses C because it's simple, C++ can be a real mess to deal with, and for an added bonus C compiles faster.
@dko19053 жыл бұрын
@erik masterchef I admit I was wrong, but creating a kernel is still a big job.
@dko19053 жыл бұрын
So true!
@NickEnchev3 жыл бұрын
@Mermaids love dickYou are saying “forked” as if Unix’s source code was open source at that time.
@siddharthupadhyay63473 жыл бұрын
@Christian Weissmuller Do you disagree that a wider array of ideas can be expressed directly in C++ than in C while maintaining the same performance?
@ObsessiveClarity3 жыл бұрын
Lex, thank you greatly for interviewing Bjarne Stroustrup! He has been a personal hero of mine for the last twenty years or more. He is not only a supreme engineer but also an adroit consensus builder. That is a rare combination and his consensus building seems to have played a critical role in forging the success of C++. I highly recommend his "The Design and Evolution of C++" to anyone interested in computing history, language design, or even politics. To me, Stroustrup's approach seems to be 1) understand the "customer's" problem and needs 2) assess the shortcomings of existing tools and prior art 3) design simple, pragmatic, correct solutions to fill the gaps and 3) deliver and communicate those solutions with humility. That is an admirable process I aspire to emulate.
@nomenec3 жыл бұрын
"error: same variable (3) already in use" ;)
@johnmachter40 Жыл бұрын
"By the way, philosophy is important. You can't do good language design without philosophy, because what you are determining is what people can express and how."
@seanfitzgerald42074 жыл бұрын
The difference between Bill Nye or Tyson and the real scientist is that he understands the foundations of a field and assumptions made in the process.
@McRingil4 жыл бұрын
@@McRingil I assume by "Tyson" you're talking about Neil DeGrasse? If so, I'd say there is another significant layer of separation between Nye and Tyson... While they are both public figures, spokespeople, etc...Bill Nye doesn't even have a masters...he has a BS in engineering, while Tyson has an MA and a PHd... I think that's worth mentioning.
@caseypdx5034 жыл бұрын
@@caseypdx503 Tyson is on theleft side of the comparison here but I don't really remember him specifically going against philosphy.
@McRingil4 жыл бұрын
So why is c++ such a steaming pile of fecal matter?
@arthurswanson32854 жыл бұрын
@@arthurswanson3285 because you're dumb and can't handle it
@McRingil4 жыл бұрын
Thanks to Bjarne for starting and continuing to work on C++. I have been programming in C++ for 10 hours a day every day for the last 10+ years and I am still in love with it.
@mika314 Жыл бұрын
What do you work with? Do you write complex code daily or you do more debugging than coding?
@gcma1999 Жыл бұрын
@@gcma1999 I make games. During the day I work on the server code and at night I work on my own single player game. Of course, debugging takes a lot of time.
@mika314 Жыл бұрын
I met Bjarne few days after watching this video, it was one the best experiences of my life. He is very humble, i asked him a roadmap to be better c++ programmer, he gave some excellent advice.
@nikhilrajbhar Жыл бұрын
Recite his wisdom
@anona4682 Жыл бұрын
Can you share his advice please?
@hsheikh8000 Жыл бұрын
Such a humble guy. You can tell he is really interested in the languages and meta-level stuff. It reminds me how business-oriented programming today has become. It's so nice to see a guy like this, with so much love and thought for the craft itself.
@Wituz Жыл бұрын
well said
@shantanudahiya5122 Жыл бұрын
You should organize a playlist with all the programming language creators. It was brilliant to interview many of them, it’s going to be a reference for many years from now. You’re the bomb
@leonciofigueiredo3 жыл бұрын
Since programming has become such a fundamental part of the 21st century perhaps the Swedish Nobel committee should consider a Nobel prize in this category 😊
@JBravo69 Жыл бұрын
Especially since all of STEM relies on programming these days. In the past, mathematics was what tied it all together, but in the modern world none of it would be possible without programming
@peterk2735 Жыл бұрын
There's not even a noble prize for math though
@itdepends604 Жыл бұрын
Turing Award?
@ldpenrose Жыл бұрын
@@itdepends604 Some say that there's no math category in Nobel prizes because a mathematician married the girl that Alfred Nobel fancied after. I guess Alfred was a bit bitter about that and excluded mathematics from the prize.
@MikkoRantalainen Жыл бұрын
Hilarious really as Nobel undoubtedly had to use math for his dynamite
@Pepespizzeria1 Жыл бұрын
How about Linus Torvalds next?
@KasparJohannes4 жыл бұрын
We would definitely need a C advocate also on this show. I mean when starsoupe makes it then why not Ken Thomson.
@platin21484 жыл бұрын
@mint CHILL There would be no linux without the GCC, What about stallman next? Oh right, we probably won't be hearing much from him either.
@90hijacked4 жыл бұрын
@@90hijacked he's probably gonna promote senders for presidency rather than talk about gcc. Stallman is not that technical person even though his background is.
@nicolareiman96874 жыл бұрын
Let's start a petition for it
@snlagr4 жыл бұрын
@@platin2148 starsoupe? haha
@Misterz3r04 жыл бұрын
In a hundred years or so, people will watch this interview and be in awe seeing these people that paved the way for the grandeur of humanity.
@misanthrophex Жыл бұрын
C++ is wonderful. Thank you Bjarne and team working on C++.
@Morning_Rays2 жыл бұрын
This podcast is a gift to the humanity
@konstantinosvasios38524 жыл бұрын
i have glazed chicken wing bits on my elbow, also drunk.. but gonna pass out to this thinking about that time i wrote the best aterm window and setup the best scripts... then i formatted and installed windows to play age of empires 2.... =\
@operatoncreation63962 жыл бұрын
linux just had to make games work... nobody nerds out 24/7...
@operatoncreation63962 жыл бұрын
true!
@jpsxlr8 Жыл бұрын
In the early 90s I met Bjarne at a Usenix conference. Presented a problem per C++ and a proposal to address it, that he took an interest in and we corresponded via email for a while about it. Alas, at the time RTTI ended up being the lion share of C++ mindset for new improvements. And the problem I was looking at ended up being addressed by Microsoft with their COM implementation - which made it sort of feasible to have more or less practical runtime loadable modules extendability. But what was cool was that Bjarne is a great guy that is not aloof, but approachable. Lot of flame wars over the decades saying this or that, but in my book, Bjarne is a class act. And he's a giant in the world of computer science and programming languages.
@TheSulross3 жыл бұрын
The fact lex was able to have him on is incredible. What this man has done for computer science!!
@Laz3rs2 жыл бұрын
The world owes Bjarne in so many ways... thank you Lex!
@javierfernandez63274 жыл бұрын
There is something so satisfying hearing Bjourne talk about the fundamentals and low level code, as well as OOP. Definitely makes me want to get back into learning about low level code, as well as the concepts of OOP.
@KHANPIN2 жыл бұрын
1:43:47 Tensorflow is a good example of that. You can give all those libraries with Python to AI/Data scientists/Neurophysicist but under it you have a computer scientist/hard-core engineer who made it with *C++*
@PaxiKaksi4 жыл бұрын
What did he say, I can't quite make it out
@uncommonsensor3 жыл бұрын
@@uncommonsensor "all of this ai stuff is on top of c++"
@thebigboi53572 жыл бұрын
@@thebigboi5357 thanks
@uncommonsensor2 жыл бұрын
nicely put, al the "esy" to use ready made libr and compnents as written in C++, , people have to learn C and C++ and leave the other languages, i hate best effort languages like java and python it;s intermdiate language and needs a VM , comming with with overhead penalty.
@ronaldhofman1726 Жыл бұрын
Don't tell him about torch
@the-designer- Жыл бұрын
It’s amazing to here Dr. Stroustrup comment on his thought process of the C++ language. His ease of explaining a complicated subject in such elegance is truly artistic! Lex, amazing execution on you part, thank you for capturing this and sharing it with all of us.
@jemo_hack4 жыл бұрын
Yeah this guy is a Legend. I love C++
@abdoulayediallo37774 жыл бұрын
The Pong game he was talking about by Jason Turner was actually written for the C64 not Motorola. Here's the video for that: kzhead.info/sun/raakfqaIZ2KtfX0/bejne.html
@k1ngjulien_4 жыл бұрын
Bookmarked
@MarcofAmerica3 жыл бұрын
This comment really should be pinned
@Blendletan3 жыл бұрын
Was looking for this link. Thank you!
@danoak93713 жыл бұрын
This guy talked about the “turning left of different vehicles” being the spark of inheritance and polymorphism, and now I understand it 😂 it’s safe to say, there’s only one person who can truly teach c++, and that’s the inventor of it lmao. It’s makes sense to define a virtual turn left method and then whatever vehicle off the base class can use it for its form of vehicle at run time. Truly amazing story and explanation. C++ is great.
@tannerbarcelos68804 жыл бұрын
Was c++ the first object oriented language ?
@roronoa_d_law10754 жыл бұрын
@@roronoa_d_law1075 No, that was Simula. He references it a couple times in the discussion. His leap was to make "C with Classes"
@alecpbennett4 жыл бұрын
In class they always teach it like an animal inheriting its features etc. Which didn't make any sense to me at all. Seeing it in the form of a problem is a better way to understand it since you can tell where did this solution originated from.
@devrim-oguz Жыл бұрын
this is one of the best interviews i've ever seen, superb. Bjarne is a treasure
@jphonevids10654 жыл бұрын
What a privilege to be able to see such a legend and listen to his thoughts.. I was just a kid learning programming 20+ years ago - and back then this name was like a name of a god to me and others around me. Mindblowing.
@aimantlavielj Жыл бұрын
I think he enjoyed this. You let him takes his time and didn’t rush him. One of his most fascinating interview. Thank you!
@chswin Жыл бұрын
Lex, thank you very much for bringing the legendary Bjarne to your channel. 🙏. The question about comparison between machine learning and C++ is unclear. One can implement machine learning in a variety of languages including C++. Machine learning is a way of building the model that describes a system using extensive data collected from the system while operating. The form the model takes may be different from the usual analytical closed form that one may be used to, but once the model is learned, programming the system is no different from what we have always done. A closed form analytical model is prone to error as much as a model derived from learning from data. The main difference is that we feel comfortable with closed form analytical model because we can name the variables and their interactions in the model. But a model is nothing but an approximation of “truth” about the system under consideration.
@philipogunbona86024 жыл бұрын
For each programmer 👨🏼💻 who has made some *C++* code available to us *TypeScript developers* hidden behind the JavaScript code in an NodeJS Package Module _( NPM acronym is - _*_Not Perfectly Managed_*_ )_ I will have to say thanks for your work… I am so passionated about high level languages I didn’t choose to go deeper into the C++ journey… Knowing a small subset of C not to die in my journey and like driving an automatic car first and never feeling bad about not driving manual 😅😅😅😅 I am shameless but grateful… Gratitude is encoded in the fabric of Lex Friedman podcasts and I am also grateful for being able to witness this interview…
@Luxcium10 ай бұрын
I barely ever got a C+ in school , yet as a seventy year old, I have the regular opportunity to listen in to Lex..and now to hear about C++😉
@patriciat1694 Жыл бұрын
Badass 70yr old!
@YyNRCyY Жыл бұрын
for people who work with C++ every day, this interview must be like a interview with god.
@MilMike3 жыл бұрын
Last 12 yrs basically, 🙏
@kadambachannel3 жыл бұрын
C++ has always been complicated. And the development goes on and on. Stroustrup does not exactly stand out as a brakeman. The question is how "modern" your code should be. If you run a static code analysis according to the C++ Core Guidelines against a 30 year old code base: 10000 to 20000 warnings are nothing special there. The idea of what good C++ is has changed over time. Because C++ is always evolving, you have to consider how "modern" you can afford to be. And whether it really makes a difference. I don't rewrite proven legacy code just for fun. You don't have that much time. But sure: A tool that checks your code against the C++ Core Guidelines is of course a blessing! I can't imagine doing without such tools anymore.
@piechulla19662 жыл бұрын
Interview with god. That is why C++ has become a cult. Stroustrup is to C++ as L. Ron Hubbard is to Scientology and they are both to good thinking as Hubbard is to Bertrand Russell.
@ijoyner2 жыл бұрын
more like an interview with Satan
@renegadeace1735 Жыл бұрын
@@renegadeace1735 why
@SOMEONE-eq5bu Жыл бұрын
“Because we can surely do better than we do today” Phrase of a legend.
@george4804 жыл бұрын
strong statement on the base of being already brilliant.
@Bobbel888 Жыл бұрын
no. this is normal. imagine if he said that we can't do better than we do today
@xybersurfer Жыл бұрын
Because we can surely do better than C++ and the obsession of creating class hierarchies for everything. Because the assumption that the world is made of objects is fundamentally mistaken, the world is only made of processes, and objects are only illusions created by temporarily repetitive enough processes.
@d0nj03Ай бұрын
This was my favorite episode you did so far, it may not be the most popular by views, but I enjoyed it. Bjarne Stroustrup is such a national treasure, a man we can learn allot from. I enjoy his talks on C++ whenever cpp con happens.
@dragonore20094 жыл бұрын
I daresay he's an international treasure.
@shantanudahiya5122 Жыл бұрын
Awesome podcast. I am studying C++ as my main language in my BA in CS. Loved to hear the history and meet the man behind the curtain. Good stuff Lex.
@drew40543 жыл бұрын
The best thing about Bjarne Stroustrup, is that if you'd imagine a guy, who would have invented C++, he looks like it.
@SamuelHauptmannvanDam4 жыл бұрын
Is that called a self-fulfilling recursion of perception?
@dmoon90373 жыл бұрын
because the stereotype is based on him
@keenobaerry31952 жыл бұрын
05:44 classes used for define type, simula, Nicklaus Wirth 06:19 brief history of programming languages, Fortran (formula translation), portability 08:09 Cobol, business people 08:24 algol, type, scope, not a set of translation phases, syntax, lexical, technical breakthrough 09:27 then simula came along to make that idea more flexible 10:58 for me the key idea, basically I could get my own types, that's the fundamental idea, under the constraints, hardware, environment 13:47 lisp, performance, reliability, deployability, cost of hardware, I don't like things to be too dynamic 15:47 smalltalk, ML, Haskell 16:45 it's good for any professional programmer to know at least five languages 18:09 the important thing that the number is not one 18:53 it's actually good to know machine code, machine architecture, assembler, c++ 20:21 Jason turner, kzhead.info/sun/raakfqaIZ2KtfX0/bejne.html 22:40 machine code and C++ 22:45 functional languages, you can learn a lot, I don't care which, pick Haskell or ML, type notion that's really strict 23:08 you could pick JavaScript, python, ruby, when you build a tool you do not know how it's going to be used 24:13 bitcoin mining 25:07 original story of C++, efficiency, reliability 28:45 security, type, SQL injection 33:12 correct code looks like, c++ core guidelines 36:39 static checkers, sloppiness, great fan of static analysis 38:33 leaks, static analysis, error handler 42:00 tension between efficiency and abstraction, object-oriented programming language, I've never said that 47:15 algorithm, lock free, compiler techniques 50:15 GCC, compilers, single implementations, monoculture, clang 54:07 llvm 54:50 c++ is for people who wants to use the hardware really well and then manage the complexity of doing that through abstraction 55:21 thats looks very much like C, it has loops, variables, pointers, 55:57 after Dennis Ritchie, I'm probably the major contributor to modern C, Brian Kernighan 56:15 this C vs C++ fight are for people who don't quite understand what's going on 56:32 abstraction 59:26 vectors, Fortran ~ 01:01:10 implementation, simula, object-oriented, virtual function 01:09:46 generic component like a sort function
@domaincontroller Жыл бұрын
The pong talk Bjarne mentioned: kzhead.info/sun/raakfqaIZ2KtfX0/bejne.html
@jazzochannel2 жыл бұрын
C++ opens to me a new world, I', started with version 2 and later the 3. The C++ compiler war was great. Thanks for your contribution.
@agustinbcu4 жыл бұрын
We really appreciate this kind of things, the interview. Thanks Lex for making it possible. So hyped up!! Its a pleassure to hear how Bjarne comunicate computer concepts...
@Kybalion884 жыл бұрын
This is GREAT stuff. I have tried to watched Bjarne a few times and it was all beyond me but you brought his ideas out of him in a way that was possible for me to understand. THANKS.
@springford95114 жыл бұрын
Longest video I have ever watched on youtube that I didn't skip around . Thanks Lex. Thanks Bjarne for doing the interview.
@tijani31413 жыл бұрын
i watched the whole conversation. thank you! I learned a lot just from from this video.
@nojvaz23924 жыл бұрын
Amazing! Lex has some serious podcast cred with all these big names hes able to get on. Keep it up!
@marcsman074 жыл бұрын
ikr xD
@xDMrGarrison Жыл бұрын
Yeah, curious--not really oddly connected if you consider who he is--but the industry/public needs a common community conduit for communication.
@billlets5460 Жыл бұрын
Jason Turner's brilliant keynote on c++ compiler explorer: kzhead.info/sun/raakfqaIZ2KtfX0/bejne.html
@J0n3eR4M4 жыл бұрын
1:40 The smile right after the question explains how excited Lex was for this interview.
@cesar_otoniel3 ай бұрын
I would love to hear a conversation with: Gerald Jay Sussman, Guy L. Steele Jr., Robert Virding and the Knuthinator: Don Knuth! I wrote c++ for 13 years so this was an interesting talk.
@jamesanderson68824 жыл бұрын
Thanks for bringing in one of the gods of modern programming languages. It was so great to watch even after a very long day!
@ppalutube4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for these amazing interviews. I began programming in 1983 and was an extremely ordinary programmer until 2001. After that I went back to school. History is most interesting to me. I became very good at C but always struggled with learning C++.
@nhabib1142 жыл бұрын
I am happy that this channel and these interviews are present. Thank you 🙂
@swaminathan_r19 ай бұрын
Too bad we didn't had the podcast in time for John McCarthy or Dennis Ritchie =/. On the other hand, Lex's work it's being far better than we could expect, every week.
@MarcosScheeren4 жыл бұрын
We gotta get Gerald Sussman, Rob Pike, and Ken up here as well.
@hexa33893 жыл бұрын
@@hexa3389 that would be awesome.
@rahulvig5298 Жыл бұрын
0:00 - Introduction 1:40 - First program 2:18 - Journey to C++ 16:45 - Learning multiple languages 23:20 - Javascript 25:08 - Efficiency and reliability in C++ 31:53 - What does good code look like? 36:45 - Static checkers 41:16 - Zero-overhead principle in C++ 50:00 - Different implementation of C++ 54:46 - Key features of C++ 1:08:02 - C++ Concepts 1:18:06 - C++ Standards Process 1:28:05 - Constructors and destructors 1:31:52 - Unified theory of programming 1:38:10 - Machine learning 1:44:20 - Proudest moment
@ginowadakekalam4 жыл бұрын
Thank you Lex for this and many other Interviews, you created library of such a enormous value that will be valued many decades from now.
@markovujanic Жыл бұрын
Ian a life long C++ programmer- of course graduated from Fortran & Boland Turbo C++ ! But I have not heard about C++ Builder!!! However it is great to from Einstein of C++. Thanks for the opportunity! Keep doing From Dr. S. Gopal, India
@rajeswarigopal7722 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much, Lex! Beautiful guests, beautiful podcast!
@zavarzak4 жыл бұрын
The story of the creation of c++ is amazing. Such a humble person created one of the most important programming languages that are used in so many places. For more than 30 years c++ did not have real challengers for certain tasks and even though Stroustrup himself notices that languages like lisp, python, javascript, etc... are great for certain things but sometimes you need that zero-overhead abstraction to write reliable and efficient software. The only real challenger we currently have is rust which proposes really interesting ideas, I guess only time will show how useful of tool rust will become but it seems great that innovation on that front did not stop.
@tigrantadevosyan7312 жыл бұрын
One of, if not THE, most significant conversations on software engineering principles and philosophy I've had the pleasure of listening to. Very well done, as relevant today as it was when originally recorded.
@w4gap5 ай бұрын
I'm so happy to have the opportunity of hearing a conversation from someone that started it all. It's not often you get to hear a long form interview from historical figures like him.
@lowmax4431 Жыл бұрын
Bjourne : 24:00 ""Bitcoin uses as much energy as Switzerland. Mostly used by criminals"!! Lex : "Yes". Pretending as though he doesn't deal lin Bitcon!! Lol
@cacoolkid14 жыл бұрын
Cash is used by all sorts of criminals
@Tavernum3 жыл бұрын
That was really an awkward moment.
@Muhammad-sx7wr3 жыл бұрын
I am really shocked that so many geniuses do not understand the role of cryptocurrency in economic
@lotgon9113 жыл бұрын
@@lotgon911 they do and that the problem, its the best thing ever happen to the dark market.
@alaaawad71803 жыл бұрын
@@alaaawad7180 It's the best thing that happened to free humans ever, but you're too stupid to understand the opportunity and rich people don't care. The biggest criminals are the ones who profit from central banking.
@RabbitConfirmed3 жыл бұрын
One of the living legend of Computer Science
@nilanjansarkar1004 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@maspesasmasperras55543 жыл бұрын
Omg this video must be the most valuable thing you can find in this messy world. Thank You Lex for having the king talking in front of you.
@gstkrr82 жыл бұрын
Almost two hours of extremely enriching brain massage - Thank you very much!
@isoadvector58194 жыл бұрын
I have attempted to meditate many times in my life and prior to this CD the only success I've experienced is with live guided meditation. kzhead.infoUgkxzpa8CIfZcihW4Z0F_ja0QF3W9KIatrsq This is the first CD I've used that cuts through my unmedicated ADHD and enables me to truly relax and experience a quiet and energizing interval. The instructors voice is very soothing and pleasant to listen to. I am easily able to sit successfully through the entire CD, and for quite some time after. I cannot adequately express how tremendously helpful this CD has been on my spiritual journey!! Two thumbs up and 10 stars!
@jacquelinecook561311 ай бұрын
what???? hahaha
@orionbr9 ай бұрын
Those most grateful are those who used to write device drivers in "C" Tell Bjarne THANK YOU!
@rftulak4 жыл бұрын
rftulak agreed.
@nullbyte22154 жыл бұрын
@@nullbyte2215 Every time you do char* lol
@YoloMonstaaa4 жыл бұрын
I was surprised that the functional languages got many mentions and that telecom as a use case was brought up quite a bit, but there was no mention of Erlang. Either way, this is amazing to listen to.
@kazwalker7644 жыл бұрын
Inspiring and honest... not cocky at all and humbling ... Thanks !
@astroboy014 жыл бұрын
Jason Turner's talk at cppcon: kzhead.info/sun/raakfqaIZ2KtfX0/bejne.html
@redrum1952 жыл бұрын
so happy theres a podcast featuring guys like Bjarne. keep it up, Lex
@Toumasu3 жыл бұрын
Wow! I've always been a fuge fan of Bjarne as I use C++ on an almost daily basis as an engineering student, and I love it. This is gonna be good!
@nickbelanger52254 жыл бұрын
20 years back, I had communicated with Bjarne Stroustrup with a question on virtual functions, virtual table, pointers. Within a few weeks he responded with a detailed email. I wish I had saved that email. His response helped and vouched to prove my solution was right back then while the client argued it was not. Looking up functions in a virtual table vs direct call. There is always a cost for flexibility. It all depends on the use case (or user story) and the scenario. Anyways, It was a great feeling to be able to directly communicate with the C++ Guru and get a response back with detailed explanation who agreed with my perspective. Nowadays, there are not many who knows what is Dynamic Binding and Polymorphism (or even heard about it) while it plays a vital thing in AI.
@amotorcyclerider32304 жыл бұрын
Isn't polymorphism one of the core concepts of OOP? I don't think I've ever met OO programmer who did not hear about it. That statement makes no sense.
@bloodycrepe3 жыл бұрын
amazing, Bjarne is incredible. so glad you interviewed him, Lex!
@joshflick70454 жыл бұрын
I'm only a few minutes in but I just realized I'm watching a podcast where the inventor of c++ is talking about programming in the early SIXTIES. My mind is blow.
@kilocide62424 жыл бұрын
he seems quite pleased by the intelligent questions, it's charming. i've been waiting for the right moment to crack the C++ book on my shelf.. i sense it's time has come
@KerryOConnor14 жыл бұрын
The man who made my CS experience a living hell, but proved useful on the long run.
@mexico14000 Жыл бұрын
So interesting and enjoyable, I'm a bit saddened I have finished this podcast. Thank you both!
@i.katsantonis13783 жыл бұрын
Those diagrams and crops from wiki/webpages are great too. Thanks for the extra work!
@samiehessi81634 жыл бұрын
Great interview! This guy is really good at speaking and expressing himself.
@edenalmakias8174 жыл бұрын
He's a Professor at TexasA&M and lectures extensively as well. Check out his keynote speeches at each year's CPPConvention.
@rdubb774 жыл бұрын
I like that he's basically describing rust's ownership semantics when he talks about rules/guidelines coupled with static analysis.
@tytrdev3 жыл бұрын
No he wasn't
@gickygackers3 жыл бұрын
Thank you Lex for this fascinating conversation with such a brillant mind
@frankthefrank6413 жыл бұрын
Never written a line of code in my life. Still listened and loved the entire podcast. Thanks to Bjarne and Lex
@Andreas-yy8uk Жыл бұрын
Programming: Phase 1: Being able to get away from machine code to more abstracted code based on pure mathematics. Phase 2: Adding types and scope. Phase 3: Inheritance and runtime polymorphism....
@dispatch3499 Жыл бұрын
Great interview of an OG. I would have loved to have his perspective on Rust which implements all his principles.
@NicolasGryman Жыл бұрын
"There's more to it all than just code, but code is central". You can be proud of your life's work, Bjarne. A big salute to the legend!
@the_arung4 жыл бұрын
Damn u Lex, I was going too sleep after a long day at work.
@ekbastu4 жыл бұрын
C++ is the first language i have learnt, i have a love-hate relationship with it. Nonetheless C++ is arguably the most important language that every programmer should learn. Using recent high-level language like Python is good for prototyping but in term of performance, C++ is the king , period
@nguyenduy-sb4ue4 жыл бұрын
Shiiieeeet. I've been slacking by knowing only java and python
@marcsman074 жыл бұрын
Python is only useful by having libraries written in C++ and C behind it. Numpy for example, but also TensorFlow, PyTorch usw.
@naibaf7104 жыл бұрын
@@naibaf710 Yep, the Python interpreter is itself written in C (and not C++ for historical reasons)
@marc23774 жыл бұрын
Python is over 30 years old, your definition of "recent" seems to be a little broad
@vibovitold Жыл бұрын
This channel is a gem, usually youtube is full of junk but this video made this advertisment webpage into something nice.
@JoeHADDAD-pt2fo Жыл бұрын
Lex you are yourself a legend. Please publish an interview of yourself as well someday. Like me, lot many people will be interested to know as to how you are able to pose such intelligent questions to all these legends 😊
@TheNishant19804 жыл бұрын
Brilliant interview and brilliant channel, thanks. I don't know if it's actually doable but please consider an interview with Ken Thompson!
@nazavode4 жыл бұрын
So much good has come from C++, nearly enough to make up for Twitter but not quite.
@RoySATX3 жыл бұрын
'There are things you can regulate but not inspiration'. Bjarne... Simply marvelous insight
@pratik2452 жыл бұрын
Very pleased to learn that Stroustrup pronounces "char" with a "ch" as in "chai" not "care". :) Stroustrup works at Morgan Stanley these days, a heavy C++ customer. He met with our team when I worked there but sadly, I was out sick that day.
@trzy3 жыл бұрын
Haha, now someone run "GIF" by him.
@TurboGoth2 жыл бұрын
1:39:53 "Not everyone can become a great artist; but a great artist *can* come from *anywhere*." -- Anton Ego (Ratatouille)
@Chiramisudo4 жыл бұрын
I like what he says about simplicity, that applies to everything in engineering.
@guillermotomasini4 жыл бұрын
@pedro gomes I like C++ but ngl this is true lmao
@nishanth64032 жыл бұрын
i met Bjarne in person, humble C++ architect!
@rafalkowalczyk8080 Жыл бұрын
C++ is a curse upon humanity. it combines the terrible design sins of C, with the utterly disastrous ideas of OOP
@coolbugfacts1234 Жыл бұрын
I love these interviews. You get to understand the human behind the design
@hank-uh1zq3 жыл бұрын
Mr. Stroustrup! Thank you for you contribution to computer science!
@user-qy2wf2lt6v4 жыл бұрын
These are getting good and good and good
@SachinDolta4 жыл бұрын
20:20 Jason Turner’s talk: kzhead.info/sun/raakfqaIZ2KtfX0/bejne.html
@MRKRRNZ Жыл бұрын
I feel the need to create a GitHub issue in one of my repos each time he speaks. Very much enjoyed this!
It's pretty amazing to think that the software industry is so young that the OG's are still alive today and can be interviewed like this. We've come a very long way in a very short time.
Technically programming goes back further but yeah it's a new industry.
what is OGs?
@@thesuperyou2829 It's a slang term that stands for "Original Gangster"
I never thought of it that way, but it's very true and very profound.
I felt the same way when I came across this thumbnail
The fact that I can watch conversations like these for free, with no spammed ads along the way is absolutely amazing. Keep up the brilliant work Lex!
Do you think will any of them consider Maria von france
Dude, install ad blocker.
Its not for free, his getting viewer base and thats more valuable than few cents out od advertise. Don't be fooled.
Adblock is not magic. You deny the content creator money for their work that you don't even have to pay for.
Ever heard of adblockers?
I really enjoyed this conversation with Bjarne. Here's the outline: 0:00 - Introduction 1:40 - First program 2:18 - Journey to C++ 16:45 - Learning multiple languages 23:20 - Javascript 25:08 - Efficiency and reliability in C++ 31:53 - What does good code look like? 36:45 - Static checkers 41:16 - Zero-overhead principle in C++ 50:00 - Different implementation of C++ 54:46 - Key features of C++ 1:08:02 - C++ Concepts 1:18:06 - C++ Standards Process 1:28:05 - Constructors and destructors 1:31:52 - Unified theory of programming 1:38:10 - Machine learning 1:44:20 - Proudest moment
Dear Lex Thanks for your effort and providing this opportunity...
Great interview and great questions. Thank you Lex and Bjarne.
No AI?
Thanks for the timeline. It really helps me filter information! Great interview!
Thank you for the timestamps! This helps a lot and saves us so much time.
This reminds me of Neo talking to The Architect in The Matrix.
Kekeke
Yes, but which iteration?
Indeed it was lol
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@@sherylacree9608 You forgot to close the script;
this man wasn't getting what he wanted out of the languages he had at his disposal, so he just said fuck it and created his own language and it became one of the best languages of all time. legend.
Cppfront is a legacy.
except he is too nice of a guy to say the word fuck
@@viisaus7187eah, but that showed he wouldn’t hesitate to take action when he faced an issue.
I got to learn C++ at college. This guy is indeed epic haha
That was good, however, maybe that should have gone to a portable library or synthetic, so you can give those power to another language.
"These C vs. C++ fights are for people who don't quite understand what's going on." Linus Torvalds: *Angry typing of e-mail intensifies*
@popasmuerf It requires a bit of knowledge to create the most used OS in the world. Linus also uses C because it's simple, C++ can be a real mess to deal with, and for an added bonus C compiles faster.
@erik masterchef I admit I was wrong, but creating a kernel is still a big job.
So true!
@Mermaids love dickYou are saying “forked” as if Unix’s source code was open source at that time.
@Christian Weissmuller Do you disagree that a wider array of ideas can be expressed directly in C++ than in C while maintaining the same performance?
Lex, thank you greatly for interviewing Bjarne Stroustrup! He has been a personal hero of mine for the last twenty years or more. He is not only a supreme engineer but also an adroit consensus builder. That is a rare combination and his consensus building seems to have played a critical role in forging the success of C++. I highly recommend his "The Design and Evolution of C++" to anyone interested in computing history, language design, or even politics. To me, Stroustrup's approach seems to be 1) understand the "customer's" problem and needs 2) assess the shortcomings of existing tools and prior art 3) design simple, pragmatic, correct solutions to fill the gaps and 3) deliver and communicate those solutions with humility. That is an admirable process I aspire to emulate.
"error: same variable (3) already in use" ;)
"By the way, philosophy is important. You can't do good language design without philosophy, because what you are determining is what people can express and how."
The difference between Bill Nye or Tyson and the real scientist is that he understands the foundations of a field and assumptions made in the process.
@@McRingil I assume by "Tyson" you're talking about Neil DeGrasse? If so, I'd say there is another significant layer of separation between Nye and Tyson... While they are both public figures, spokespeople, etc...Bill Nye doesn't even have a masters...he has a BS in engineering, while Tyson has an MA and a PHd... I think that's worth mentioning.
@@caseypdx503 Tyson is on theleft side of the comparison here but I don't really remember him specifically going against philosphy.
So why is c++ such a steaming pile of fecal matter?
@@arthurswanson3285 because you're dumb and can't handle it
Thanks to Bjarne for starting and continuing to work on C++. I have been programming in C++ for 10 hours a day every day for the last 10+ years and I am still in love with it.
What do you work with? Do you write complex code daily or you do more debugging than coding?
@@gcma1999 I make games. During the day I work on the server code and at night I work on my own single player game. Of course, debugging takes a lot of time.
I met Bjarne few days after watching this video, it was one the best experiences of my life. He is very humble, i asked him a roadmap to be better c++ programmer, he gave some excellent advice.
Recite his wisdom
Can you share his advice please?
Such a humble guy. You can tell he is really interested in the languages and meta-level stuff. It reminds me how business-oriented programming today has become. It's so nice to see a guy like this, with so much love and thought for the craft itself.
well said
You should organize a playlist with all the programming language creators. It was brilliant to interview many of them, it’s going to be a reference for many years from now. You’re the bomb
Since programming has become such a fundamental part of the 21st century perhaps the Swedish Nobel committee should consider a Nobel prize in this category 😊
Especially since all of STEM relies on programming these days. In the past, mathematics was what tied it all together, but in the modern world none of it would be possible without programming
There's not even a noble prize for math though
Turing Award?
@@itdepends604 Some say that there's no math category in Nobel prizes because a mathematician married the girl that Alfred Nobel fancied after. I guess Alfred was a bit bitter about that and excluded mathematics from the prize.
Hilarious really as Nobel undoubtedly had to use math for his dynamite
How about Linus Torvalds next?
We would definitely need a C advocate also on this show. I mean when starsoupe makes it then why not Ken Thomson.
@mint CHILL There would be no linux without the GCC, What about stallman next? Oh right, we probably won't be hearing much from him either.
@@90hijacked he's probably gonna promote senders for presidency rather than talk about gcc. Stallman is not that technical person even though his background is.
Let's start a petition for it
@@platin2148 starsoupe? haha
In a hundred years or so, people will watch this interview and be in awe seeing these people that paved the way for the grandeur of humanity.
C++ is wonderful. Thank you Bjarne and team working on C++.
This podcast is a gift to the humanity
i have glazed chicken wing bits on my elbow, also drunk.. but gonna pass out to this thinking about that time i wrote the best aterm window and setup the best scripts... then i formatted and installed windows to play age of empires 2.... =\
linux just had to make games work... nobody nerds out 24/7...
true!
In the early 90s I met Bjarne at a Usenix conference. Presented a problem per C++ and a proposal to address it, that he took an interest in and we corresponded via email for a while about it. Alas, at the time RTTI ended up being the lion share of C++ mindset for new improvements. And the problem I was looking at ended up being addressed by Microsoft with their COM implementation - which made it sort of feasible to have more or less practical runtime loadable modules extendability. But what was cool was that Bjarne is a great guy that is not aloof, but approachable. Lot of flame wars over the decades saying this or that, but in my book, Bjarne is a class act. And he's a giant in the world of computer science and programming languages.
The fact lex was able to have him on is incredible. What this man has done for computer science!!
The world owes Bjarne in so many ways... thank you Lex!
There is something so satisfying hearing Bjourne talk about the fundamentals and low level code, as well as OOP. Definitely makes me want to get back into learning about low level code, as well as the concepts of OOP.
1:43:47 Tensorflow is a good example of that. You can give all those libraries with Python to AI/Data scientists/Neurophysicist but under it you have a computer scientist/hard-core engineer who made it with *C++*
What did he say, I can't quite make it out
@@uncommonsensor "all of this ai stuff is on top of c++"
@@thebigboi5357 thanks
nicely put, al the "esy" to use ready made libr and compnents as written in C++, , people have to learn C and C++ and leave the other languages, i hate best effort languages like java and python it;s intermdiate language and needs a VM , comming with with overhead penalty.
Don't tell him about torch
It’s amazing to here Dr. Stroustrup comment on his thought process of the C++ language. His ease of explaining a complicated subject in such elegance is truly artistic! Lex, amazing execution on you part, thank you for capturing this and sharing it with all of us.
Yeah this guy is a Legend. I love C++
The Pong game he was talking about by Jason Turner was actually written for the C64 not Motorola. Here's the video for that: kzhead.info/sun/raakfqaIZ2KtfX0/bejne.html
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Was looking for this link. Thank you!
This guy talked about the “turning left of different vehicles” being the spark of inheritance and polymorphism, and now I understand it 😂 it’s safe to say, there’s only one person who can truly teach c++, and that’s the inventor of it lmao. It’s makes sense to define a virtual turn left method and then whatever vehicle off the base class can use it for its form of vehicle at run time. Truly amazing story and explanation. C++ is great.
Was c++ the first object oriented language ?
@@roronoa_d_law1075 No, that was Simula. He references it a couple times in the discussion. His leap was to make "C with Classes"
In class they always teach it like an animal inheriting its features etc. Which didn't make any sense to me at all. Seeing it in the form of a problem is a better way to understand it since you can tell where did this solution originated from.
this is one of the best interviews i've ever seen, superb. Bjarne is a treasure
What a privilege to be able to see such a legend and listen to his thoughts.. I was just a kid learning programming 20+ years ago - and back then this name was like a name of a god to me and others around me. Mindblowing.
I think he enjoyed this. You let him takes his time and didn’t rush him. One of his most fascinating interview. Thank you!
Lex, thank you very much for bringing the legendary Bjarne to your channel. 🙏. The question about comparison between machine learning and C++ is unclear. One can implement machine learning in a variety of languages including C++. Machine learning is a way of building the model that describes a system using extensive data collected from the system while operating. The form the model takes may be different from the usual analytical closed form that one may be used to, but once the model is learned, programming the system is no different from what we have always done. A closed form analytical model is prone to error as much as a model derived from learning from data. The main difference is that we feel comfortable with closed form analytical model because we can name the variables and their interactions in the model. But a model is nothing but an approximation of “truth” about the system under consideration.
For each programmer 👨🏼💻 who has made some *C++* code available to us *TypeScript developers* hidden behind the JavaScript code in an NodeJS Package Module _( NPM acronym is - _*_Not Perfectly Managed_*_ )_ I will have to say thanks for your work… I am so passionated about high level languages I didn’t choose to go deeper into the C++ journey… Knowing a small subset of C not to die in my journey and like driving an automatic car first and never feeling bad about not driving manual 😅😅😅😅 I am shameless but grateful… Gratitude is encoded in the fabric of Lex Friedman podcasts and I am also grateful for being able to witness this interview…
I barely ever got a C+ in school , yet as a seventy year old, I have the regular opportunity to listen in to Lex..and now to hear about C++😉
Badass 70yr old!
for people who work with C++ every day, this interview must be like a interview with god.
Last 12 yrs basically, 🙏
C++ has always been complicated. And the development goes on and on. Stroustrup does not exactly stand out as a brakeman. The question is how "modern" your code should be. If you run a static code analysis according to the C++ Core Guidelines against a 30 year old code base: 10000 to 20000 warnings are nothing special there. The idea of what good C++ is has changed over time. Because C++ is always evolving, you have to consider how "modern" you can afford to be. And whether it really makes a difference. I don't rewrite proven legacy code just for fun. You don't have that much time. But sure: A tool that checks your code against the C++ Core Guidelines is of course a blessing! I can't imagine doing without such tools anymore.
Interview with god. That is why C++ has become a cult. Stroustrup is to C++ as L. Ron Hubbard is to Scientology and they are both to good thinking as Hubbard is to Bertrand Russell.
more like an interview with Satan
@@renegadeace1735 why
“Because we can surely do better than we do today” Phrase of a legend.
strong statement on the base of being already brilliant.
no. this is normal. imagine if he said that we can't do better than we do today
Because we can surely do better than C++ and the obsession of creating class hierarchies for everything. Because the assumption that the world is made of objects is fundamentally mistaken, the world is only made of processes, and objects are only illusions created by temporarily repetitive enough processes.
This was my favorite episode you did so far, it may not be the most popular by views, but I enjoyed it. Bjarne Stroustrup is such a national treasure, a man we can learn allot from. I enjoy his talks on C++ whenever cpp con happens.
I daresay he's an international treasure.
Awesome podcast. I am studying C++ as my main language in my BA in CS. Loved to hear the history and meet the man behind the curtain. Good stuff Lex.
The best thing about Bjarne Stroustrup, is that if you'd imagine a guy, who would have invented C++, he looks like it.
Is that called a self-fulfilling recursion of perception?
because the stereotype is based on him
05:44 classes used for define type, simula, Nicklaus Wirth 06:19 brief history of programming languages, Fortran (formula translation), portability 08:09 Cobol, business people 08:24 algol, type, scope, not a set of translation phases, syntax, lexical, technical breakthrough 09:27 then simula came along to make that idea more flexible 10:58 for me the key idea, basically I could get my own types, that's the fundamental idea, under the constraints, hardware, environment 13:47 lisp, performance, reliability, deployability, cost of hardware, I don't like things to be too dynamic 15:47 smalltalk, ML, Haskell 16:45 it's good for any professional programmer to know at least five languages 18:09 the important thing that the number is not one 18:53 it's actually good to know machine code, machine architecture, assembler, c++ 20:21 Jason turner, kzhead.info/sun/raakfqaIZ2KtfX0/bejne.html 22:40 machine code and C++ 22:45 functional languages, you can learn a lot, I don't care which, pick Haskell or ML, type notion that's really strict 23:08 you could pick JavaScript, python, ruby, when you build a tool you do not know how it's going to be used 24:13 bitcoin mining 25:07 original story of C++, efficiency, reliability 28:45 security, type, SQL injection 33:12 correct code looks like, c++ core guidelines 36:39 static checkers, sloppiness, great fan of static analysis 38:33 leaks, static analysis, error handler 42:00 tension between efficiency and abstraction, object-oriented programming language, I've never said that 47:15 algorithm, lock free, compiler techniques 50:15 GCC, compilers, single implementations, monoculture, clang 54:07 llvm 54:50 c++ is for people who wants to use the hardware really well and then manage the complexity of doing that through abstraction 55:21 thats looks very much like C, it has loops, variables, pointers, 55:57 after Dennis Ritchie, I'm probably the major contributor to modern C, Brian Kernighan 56:15 this C vs C++ fight are for people who don't quite understand what's going on 56:32 abstraction 59:26 vectors, Fortran ~ 01:01:10 implementation, simula, object-oriented, virtual function 01:09:46 generic component like a sort function
The pong talk Bjarne mentioned: kzhead.info/sun/raakfqaIZ2KtfX0/bejne.html
C++ opens to me a new world, I', started with version 2 and later the 3. The C++ compiler war was great. Thanks for your contribution.
We really appreciate this kind of things, the interview. Thanks Lex for making it possible. So hyped up!! Its a pleassure to hear how Bjarne comunicate computer concepts...
This is GREAT stuff. I have tried to watched Bjarne a few times and it was all beyond me but you brought his ideas out of him in a way that was possible for me to understand. THANKS.
Longest video I have ever watched on youtube that I didn't skip around . Thanks Lex. Thanks Bjarne for doing the interview.
i watched the whole conversation. thank you! I learned a lot just from from this video.
Amazing! Lex has some serious podcast cred with all these big names hes able to get on. Keep it up!
ikr xD
Yeah, curious--not really oddly connected if you consider who he is--but the industry/public needs a common community conduit for communication.
Jason Turner's brilliant keynote on c++ compiler explorer: kzhead.info/sun/raakfqaIZ2KtfX0/bejne.html
1:40 The smile right after the question explains how excited Lex was for this interview.
I would love to hear a conversation with: Gerald Jay Sussman, Guy L. Steele Jr., Robert Virding and the Knuthinator: Don Knuth! I wrote c++ for 13 years so this was an interesting talk.
Thanks for bringing in one of the gods of modern programming languages. It was so great to watch even after a very long day!
Thank you for these amazing interviews. I began programming in 1983 and was an extremely ordinary programmer until 2001. After that I went back to school. History is most interesting to me. I became very good at C but always struggled with learning C++.
I am happy that this channel and these interviews are present. Thank you 🙂
Too bad we didn't had the podcast in time for John McCarthy or Dennis Ritchie =/. On the other hand, Lex's work it's being far better than we could expect, every week.
We gotta get Gerald Sussman, Rob Pike, and Ken up here as well.
@@hexa3389 that would be awesome.
0:00 - Introduction 1:40 - First program 2:18 - Journey to C++ 16:45 - Learning multiple languages 23:20 - Javascript 25:08 - Efficiency and reliability in C++ 31:53 - What does good code look like? 36:45 - Static checkers 41:16 - Zero-overhead principle in C++ 50:00 - Different implementation of C++ 54:46 - Key features of C++ 1:08:02 - C++ Concepts 1:18:06 - C++ Standards Process 1:28:05 - Constructors and destructors 1:31:52 - Unified theory of programming 1:38:10 - Machine learning 1:44:20 - Proudest moment
Thank you Lex for this and many other Interviews, you created library of such a enormous value that will be valued many decades from now.
Ian a life long C++ programmer- of course graduated from Fortran & Boland Turbo C++ ! But I have not heard about C++ Builder!!! However it is great to from Einstein of C++. Thanks for the opportunity! Keep doing From Dr. S. Gopal, India
Thank you very much, Lex! Beautiful guests, beautiful podcast!
The story of the creation of c++ is amazing. Such a humble person created one of the most important programming languages that are used in so many places. For more than 30 years c++ did not have real challengers for certain tasks and even though Stroustrup himself notices that languages like lisp, python, javascript, etc... are great for certain things but sometimes you need that zero-overhead abstraction to write reliable and efficient software. The only real challenger we currently have is rust which proposes really interesting ideas, I guess only time will show how useful of tool rust will become but it seems great that innovation on that front did not stop.
One of, if not THE, most significant conversations on software engineering principles and philosophy I've had the pleasure of listening to. Very well done, as relevant today as it was when originally recorded.
I'm so happy to have the opportunity of hearing a conversation from someone that started it all. It's not often you get to hear a long form interview from historical figures like him.
Bjourne : 24:00 ""Bitcoin uses as much energy as Switzerland. Mostly used by criminals"!! Lex : "Yes". Pretending as though he doesn't deal lin Bitcon!! Lol
Cash is used by all sorts of criminals
That was really an awkward moment.
I am really shocked that so many geniuses do not understand the role of cryptocurrency in economic
@@lotgon911 they do and that the problem, its the best thing ever happen to the dark market.
@@alaaawad7180 It's the best thing that happened to free humans ever, but you're too stupid to understand the opportunity and rich people don't care. The biggest criminals are the ones who profit from central banking.
One of the living legend of Computer Science
Thanks
Omg this video must be the most valuable thing you can find in this messy world. Thank You Lex for having the king talking in front of you.
Almost two hours of extremely enriching brain massage - Thank you very much!
I have attempted to meditate many times in my life and prior to this CD the only success I've experienced is with live guided meditation. kzhead.infoUgkxzpa8CIfZcihW4Z0F_ja0QF3W9KIatrsq This is the first CD I've used that cuts through my unmedicated ADHD and enables me to truly relax and experience a quiet and energizing interval. The instructors voice is very soothing and pleasant to listen to. I am easily able to sit successfully through the entire CD, and for quite some time after. I cannot adequately express how tremendously helpful this CD has been on my spiritual journey!! Two thumbs up and 10 stars!
what???? hahaha
Those most grateful are those who used to write device drivers in "C" Tell Bjarne THANK YOU!
rftulak agreed.
@@nullbyte2215 Every time you do char* lol
I was surprised that the functional languages got many mentions and that telecom as a use case was brought up quite a bit, but there was no mention of Erlang. Either way, this is amazing to listen to.
Inspiring and honest... not cocky at all and humbling ... Thanks !
Jason Turner's talk at cppcon: kzhead.info/sun/raakfqaIZ2KtfX0/bejne.html
so happy theres a podcast featuring guys like Bjarne. keep it up, Lex
Wow! I've always been a fuge fan of Bjarne as I use C++ on an almost daily basis as an engineering student, and I love it. This is gonna be good!
20 years back, I had communicated with Bjarne Stroustrup with a question on virtual functions, virtual table, pointers. Within a few weeks he responded with a detailed email. I wish I had saved that email. His response helped and vouched to prove my solution was right back then while the client argued it was not. Looking up functions in a virtual table vs direct call. There is always a cost for flexibility. It all depends on the use case (or user story) and the scenario. Anyways, It was a great feeling to be able to directly communicate with the C++ Guru and get a response back with detailed explanation who agreed with my perspective. Nowadays, there are not many who knows what is Dynamic Binding and Polymorphism (or even heard about it) while it plays a vital thing in AI.
Isn't polymorphism one of the core concepts of OOP? I don't think I've ever met OO programmer who did not hear about it. That statement makes no sense.
amazing, Bjarne is incredible. so glad you interviewed him, Lex!
I'm only a few minutes in but I just realized I'm watching a podcast where the inventor of c++ is talking about programming in the early SIXTIES. My mind is blow.
he seems quite pleased by the intelligent questions, it's charming. i've been waiting for the right moment to crack the C++ book on my shelf.. i sense it's time has come
The man who made my CS experience a living hell, but proved useful on the long run.
So interesting and enjoyable, I'm a bit saddened I have finished this podcast. Thank you both!
Those diagrams and crops from wiki/webpages are great too. Thanks for the extra work!
Great interview! This guy is really good at speaking and expressing himself.
He's a Professor at TexasA&M and lectures extensively as well. Check out his keynote speeches at each year's CPPConvention.
I like that he's basically describing rust's ownership semantics when he talks about rules/guidelines coupled with static analysis.
No he wasn't
Thank you Lex for this fascinating conversation with such a brillant mind
Never written a line of code in my life. Still listened and loved the entire podcast. Thanks to Bjarne and Lex
Programming: Phase 1: Being able to get away from machine code to more abstracted code based on pure mathematics. Phase 2: Adding types and scope. Phase 3: Inheritance and runtime polymorphism....
Great interview of an OG. I would have loved to have his perspective on Rust which implements all his principles.
"There's more to it all than just code, but code is central". You can be proud of your life's work, Bjarne. A big salute to the legend!
Damn u Lex, I was going too sleep after a long day at work.
C++ is the first language i have learnt, i have a love-hate relationship with it. Nonetheless C++ is arguably the most important language that every programmer should learn. Using recent high-level language like Python is good for prototyping but in term of performance, C++ is the king , period
Shiiieeeet. I've been slacking by knowing only java and python
Python is only useful by having libraries written in C++ and C behind it. Numpy for example, but also TensorFlow, PyTorch usw.
@@naibaf710 Yep, the Python interpreter is itself written in C (and not C++ for historical reasons)
Python is over 30 years old, your definition of "recent" seems to be a little broad
This channel is a gem, usually youtube is full of junk but this video made this advertisment webpage into something nice.
Lex you are yourself a legend. Please publish an interview of yourself as well someday. Like me, lot many people will be interested to know as to how you are able to pose such intelligent questions to all these legends 😊
Brilliant interview and brilliant channel, thanks. I don't know if it's actually doable but please consider an interview with Ken Thompson!
So much good has come from C++, nearly enough to make up for Twitter but not quite.
'There are things you can regulate but not inspiration'. Bjarne... Simply marvelous insight
Very pleased to learn that Stroustrup pronounces "char" with a "ch" as in "chai" not "care". :) Stroustrup works at Morgan Stanley these days, a heavy C++ customer. He met with our team when I worked there but sadly, I was out sick that day.
Haha, now someone run "GIF" by him.
1:39:53 "Not everyone can become a great artist; but a great artist *can* come from *anywhere*." -- Anton Ego (Ratatouille)
I like what he says about simplicity, that applies to everything in engineering.
@pedro gomes I like C++ but ngl this is true lmao
i met Bjarne in person, humble C++ architect!
C++ is a curse upon humanity. it combines the terrible design sins of C, with the utterly disastrous ideas of OOP
I love these interviews. You get to understand the human behind the design
Mr. Stroustrup! Thank you for you contribution to computer science!
These are getting good and good and good
20:20 Jason Turner’s talk: kzhead.info/sun/raakfqaIZ2KtfX0/bejne.html
I feel the need to create a GitHub issue in one of my repos each time he speaks. Very much enjoyed this!