Stoneforge Mystic Just Got a Power Boost | Vintage Cube Draft
2024 ж. 28 Сәу.
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Assimilation Aegis and Stoneforge Mystic is a big game - will my pick 1 SFM get there?
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LSV: Bet you can't guess what I take first Me, seeing the thumbnail: Bet I can 😎
honestly kinda sucks. i don't mind the give aways of the title/thumbnail most of the time. but if it's the question in the very first 20seconds, it takes away a lot of it.
@@NINtastischthe important part of that bit is the explanation instead of the guessing game, at least to me
i really apreciate that you upload even the drafts that go poorly because sometimes i do horrible and feel like trash but if even the goat gets screwed from time to time i cant be harsh on myself
Thanks for posting drafts like this and staying mostly positive throughout. We all have drafts that go like this, and this is the sort of thing that puts me massively on tilt. It's a good reminder that it's just a game and sometimes things don't go your way
"Plot their Mana Leak with your Interruptor" might not have been the best example for which counterspells you can realistically strand with the card 😅
While I get what you are saying here, it's not like people don't play cars like mana leak to get you to tap out, and this would be a tempo play, so it's not non zero. But yeah 3 mana open to 'cast interruptor' yadayada
Seems like a card that pairs with Vial, so might happen to tap for something and then vial in this for the mana leak
Why? People do tap out quite a bit in vintage Cube. I've seen many games where holding up a counterspell rather than accelerate mana is the wrong play.
@@philosopherhobbs he is talking about the fact that you don't spend 3 mana to cast interruptor on a mana leak, you just pay the mana leak
@@manfredire8370 , then that's even dumber. That assumes you've got 5, 6 or 7 mana for 2, 3, or 4 mana cards.
That first round was definitely something. Bk with some disgusting draws in both games. Feels like the last few white drafts have been cursed as hell.
this is the earliest i’ve seen lsv take jitte in years
This seemed like a pretty sick deck, I always love a solid mono white deck, and ephemerate is so cool when it works. Wish we'd gotten to see you play it.
BK putting the smack down
I guessed Lim-Dul's Vault and was super duper wrong. But I'm more impressed that I jedi-mind-tricked myself into ignoring the video title? We count those wins.
LSV please do not underestimate Lavaspur boots+ Urzas Saga. turn 2 construct and turn 3 construct fetching the boots and throwing them on the new construct is legitimately tearing up the legacy meta right now. You had it giftwrapped and handed to you. It's 100% worth building around the next time you get the opportunity.
Whatever curse affected the matches in this draft aside... I wonder if in the match 3 game where the Stoneforge Mystic and Mother of Runes got Arc Trailed, it might have been better to leave up Ephemerate. Setting aside that we now know the opponent had Arc Trail in hand, it seems like we were almost certain to win the game if we untapped with the Stoneforge, so keeping Ephemerate available might have left us with the best odds of victory.
I came to say this. Especially against a RG deck that can't do anything about kaldra. And you aren't worried about wraths either, so it's not like waiting a turn on mother mattered that much.
No need to wonder. That was an absolute punt.
@@kristopherhergenrather9578 Captain hindsight gets in with the obvious punt line fresh from not having gotten dicked 2 matches in a row.
@@dylanm.4875 Dicked or not OP is correct. Ephemerate on Stoneforge gets Aegis in hand if a removal spell is played. It guarantees the Kaldra in play next turn barring two removal effects. The decision to play Mother of Runes lost LSV the game. LSV had a more optimal line of play to almost guarantee the result he desired of getting Kaldra in play next turn, but chose not to take it. That's a punt.
@@kristopherhergenrather9578 Oh of course, I am not arguing that it's a punt, I'm arguing that it's extremely easy for you to call it a punt after watching the results of the punt play happen then pausing the video and thinking about alternative lines while not being tilted at all and then dropping into the comments section like a righteous crusader and telling everyone how obvious it was. OP probably knew it was a guaranteed punt and was simply using tactful wording because it was pretty obvious that by match 3 LSV might have been "slightly tilted" after losing to not drawing an island 17 turns in a row in a game where his opponent gave him a free card for 4 life.
Oof, rough to watch matches like these where nothing seems to break your way, but happens to all of us! Hope to see another of these sometime where we can actually see it pop off :D
Always enjoy when LSV mixes up his archetypes a bit. Weenie is always fun for a change of pace! EDIT: obviously this was written before the games. I feel the frustration of this draft implicitly.
I like no initiative. It's such a time pressure, really nerfs control strategies and just feels overall OP to me.
Solid mech.
Cutting it really nerfs aggro though, especially ww as we saw.
Agreed
@@stephenglaeser7830 I wouldn't draw too many conclusions from these games. LSV drew poorly, opponents drew really well.
Initiative is a pretty cool (and skill-testing) minigame when it comes down on a relatively even board state and both players have to manage battling for initiative with their board presence and life total. Unfortunately a lot of the time Initiative creatures seem to be best used as a free win when ramped into. Less interesting back and forth, more "play an initiative creature before the opponent has had a chance to develop their board, instantly win", which doesn't create the most interactive games of magic. This is most obvious with White Plume Adventurer, and why I think LSV was smart to leave it out of his cube for a while even with the other initiative creatures in there. Games with turn 2 White Plumes are simply not actual games of magic, even compared to other 3 drops being ramped into on turn 2.
I enjoyed watching thisore than most vids! Keep the great attitude!!
BK laughing maniacally
Omfg why'd you have to remind me of that time twister into 6 lands. That shit still gives me nightmares 😂😭 funnily enough I had a similar thing happen in an OTJ draft today. I cast Villainous Wealth for 5 and hit all lands and then slowly bled out on my desk as I had just thinned their deck of most of its lands, they ofc only drew gas.
Geez those first two matches were painful, I'd have to quit playing for the week after those experiences.
That's what happens when you don't pick miscalc p1p1
fun first pick, excited to see where this goes. I know collectors cage just got cut, but i think its worth trying windbrisk heights again. Creatures are so much better now, and white is playable in more decks, its quite common for vintage cube games to have 3 creatures out and able to attack.
I was laughing so hard during match 1 :D
The guess for Pick 1 was spoiled by the title Wolf have otherwiese been a nice guessing Game
Any thought on adding Kellen to the cube? The Boros one that search’s up equipment? Could act as a second copy of stone forge (although admittedly not as good).
I'm always yelling at the screen for you to take the Stoneforge. Great to finally see the card shine!
I never saw Stoneforge shine in this video. Lol
Did you comment before watching?
Somehow, through watching your videos, I've passed my curse to you. I'm sorry.
LSV, isn't the urza's saga + skull clamp really good since it can tutor and make a dude to draw off of, plus the combo potential with adeline and all the white weenies just make it a crazy card that can run away with games? You would have two tutors for skullclamp including the stoneforge. Or do you still value the free removal from solitude more?
I like to joke that some of these drafts are just LSV posting bad beats stories in video form, and well, after this one I think I might actually be on to something...
Some days, they just always have it. Some days your deck just hates you. Both those days fell on the same day today
Shadowspear pack 2 pick 2 to go with the Saga over Adeline?
Daily Cube Dose, just what the doctor ordered!
14:53 Since you'd have to cut something for Emperor, is it worth taking Hedge Maze since Heath can get it? Maybe not cause this deck really doesn't want taplands and you already have one, and it doesn't really want nonwhite lands.
Good timing
Considered any other equipment payoffs in the cube? You had access to a lot of C- level equipment here, and it would be cool if there was an incentive for those cards now that Stoneforge has so many value options
Initiative, Monarchy and Thassa’s Oracle could all be removed from cube.
I'm not sure mono-W is powerful enough to be competitive without any fast mana, or initiative. 1-2-3 is often not fast enough, and there aren't many ways to get card advantage. You drew poorly, and your opponents drew well, so it's tough to be too critical of the deck. Mono W can also be particularly annoying to play, because as you pointed out, lines are narrower and you have to spend the majority of the match watching your opponents clock slowly drain. Thanks for all the content, LSV, I appreciate your efforts!
I don't think I need to hate the abrade potentially famous last words
Oof that was a beating and a half. Yikes :D
Mana screw is in fact great for magic.
Just going to skip over the fact that your team carried you to a hard-fought draw after this beating? 😂 Man, I knew you had a rough draft but didn't realize how rought until I watched here.
My team did carry me, including you 🙏
I bump my lunch break an hour back for this. I love it
everyone talks about the magic gods but how about the magic devils that d/c'd Luis in order to shuffle away the much needed lands off the top of his deck? let us unite in winning vibrations to put LSVs excellently drafted decks into the right order
Pack 2 Pick 11 isn’t there an argument for Seat of the Synod as a fetchable land for Urzas saga, especially if you won’t play evangelist?
Hard to participate in the guessing game after reading the title 😂
I think he kinda threw the last match game 1. Greeding for the stoneforge AND mother with ephemerate in hand to protect the stoneforge (and grabbing the removal equip before i can be drawn if you are forced to use it) was obv punish to the max by arc trail, but also a poor play imho. the gruul player obv has no choise vs a potential kaldra to kill stone forge, so tapping out with the trick in hand vs a forced play by the opponent certainly not LSVs best day of magic :D Tho the draws/mulligans and solitude playing hide and seek in his deck certainly wasnt helpful.
Seeing Aragorn last pick in so many packs lately, what's up with that??
When I see Luis 0-3, i feel less bad at the game😅
@53:00 why not attack the player with both? Trample damage? I probably missed something.
Oh. They can double block and still eat food with their chumpers as mana source.
Should have taken Miscalc first pick I suppose.
White creatures were looking underpowered, whew, glad they got help
Please join us for LSV'S descent into madness
If you're gonna quiz us on your first pick, maybe don't put it in the title...
I think we all learned that WW is never the way to go.
Hmm, LSV is running like I usually do, maybe if I draft I'll run like he usually does... edit: nope.
Not flickering the aegis just seems wrong.
Rage quitting on your behalf for these games.
Based on title I guessed stoneforge.
Never gets a mox, hmmm, certainly not 3 in one draft....😂
But did she?
These games were ROUGHHHHHH OOF
First pick pack 3 hate pick..gotta hate it.
Did we ever find out why he attacked with the elf there?
This is an attack i make less than 2% of the time. But if i do make this absurb looking attack there is a thought process behind it and some alarm bells should go off. I considere this Elf an excess resource with it's biggest utility being that it is able to hit for 1 this turn before he plays something that can block it. I essentially decided to get in for 1 damage, and if it dies i get 4 damage. My deck's manacap was 5 and it has no ability to draw cards. I also have land drops for the next few turns. I am essentially a bit flooded and my deck was about as aggressive as a burn deck. You can think of the play as a mono red deck deciding to chain lightning you for 3 on turn 1. That's how confident i felt in this deck's ability to deal damage. But yeah, i would almost never make this attack. This was just an extremely rare case where i valued 1 dmg or 4 life over the utility of the Elf.
Certainly this enough bad beats to make up for the DT Thassa's run
pause: 2 picks in and hes got a stoneforge and a skyclave lsv blink twice if you need help
Man what the heck was that Elf attack? We they really that eager for 4 damage?
I make this attack less than 2% of the time because it's an absurd looking attack. I answered another guy in greater detail. This was just an extremely rare case where i valued the dmg of the elf over the utility it could offer me.
@@Stokkeland23 idk why everyone freaked over this attack. Is it impossible to imagine a scenario where Vexing Devil is better than Llanowar Elf? I feel like 5-7ish% of the time it probably is. Not that controversial
@@nickk6556 It'a a decision that is out of the norm or against the consensus. Just because something is the correct play 99% of the time does not mean it's always correct. I also think Lsv was abit frustrated in this video towards the end. This attack might be wrong aswell. I think it was the correct decision and i'd do it again. I don't care if it looks crazy and absurd hehe. If i think a play is good i'll make it regardless of how crazy it looks.
I think I know why the draft was cursed. You were supposed to draft UW Cheons, not uW aggro.
No Initiative
No respect for the jeweled amulet in your mono 3 drop deck?
Land Destruction is one of the cheapest ways to win a game. I absolutely despise it.
try 42!
solitude got pretty shy on you...
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what is this cube half OTJ and half vintage cube
So sad when the seat of the synod got ignored because it could have been taken by the urza s saga.
BRING BACK COMET!!! FUUUUU-
Record well deserved for going blue for no reason
Mic is way too hot- we can hear every time you swallow. ASMR MTG.
Bro ... I literally switch out my senheisers for generic Bluetooth because I can hear... Way to much... Lol. There is a whole saga from like 6mos ago regarding mic comments so I leave him alone. He tried. :) try a really cheap POS pair of headphones. Helps me. :)
@1:00:00 flicker the aegis to get a questing beast?
bad beats DAMN
Wearfox? Where’d it go? As I dad, I much appreciated this