It's actually easy when you know how. Here I explain how to identify the most common types of gear, spur and helical gears.
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YT is full of over complicated, underinforming rubbish about gears. This is the clearest, most informative video I have seen. Well done!
@mousemade12 жыл бұрын
Great video. My father was a gearbox designer and these parameters were often spoken of at out house. He wrote software in Pascal to calculate the various design parameters and working life according to the various DIN/ISO/AGMA/BS standards that all had their own quirks. and incompatibilities. All new designs were metric but he often had to fall back to the other standards when repairs were required for older imported machines. Trip down memory lane, thanks.
@KallePihlajasaari4 ай бұрын
Simple and useful video. First time I understood the left handed and right handed helical gear. Thanks a lot sir.,
@MrPTHANGARAJКүн бұрын
This is a very clear and no nonsense description of gears / gearing - exactly what I have been looking for!
@user-sd6db6gd5k8 ай бұрын
This channel is better than school. Gratitude
@nunomiguelrodriguessilva3028 Жыл бұрын
Some subjects are best learned from a video rather than falling a sleep reading a machinist book. This is one of those subjects. Great info, thanks for sharing! 👍
@michaelk5889 Жыл бұрын
Excellent video, please keep them coming, as you are the only person I've found that is putting this in to term even I can understand.
@gutsngorrrr2 жыл бұрын
That's a great video, thanks. I reverse engineer gears so infrequently that each time I have to re-learn what little I once knew about it, which is time consuming even with the notes I keep on it. Your video is much more concise, and also showed me how to do helicals, which I've never needed to do. I'll be adding a link to it to my notes, and probably checking out some of your other videos too. Thanks again.
@richardjones38 Жыл бұрын
You earned my subscription. Simple and clear explaination. Thank you.
@ophirb252 жыл бұрын
Very clear and well explained. Looking forward to your next episode.
@slypig242 жыл бұрын
A very clear explanation, thanks Andy
@garychaplin98612 жыл бұрын
Very good job my friend.... 👍 👍 👍 👍
@billsill2 жыл бұрын
The best and most wonderful explanation I have ever seen in my life Thank you very much and we want more videos full of knowledge Well done sir
@tebbiramzi5231 Жыл бұрын
I used to be given chewed up gears to remake at short notice due to production breakdowns etc. It was like being Sherlock Holmes at times but very satisfying when I sussed out what it was and created a sparkling replacement for the grateful customer.
@neilbanks68457 ай бұрын
Tanks! I learned a lot about gears with your videos, never learned anything reading books about this topic! Now, a gear is less intimidating!
@hiperformance712 жыл бұрын
Outstanding, stunningly informative. Many thanks for posting, subscribed 😊
@rc166honda2 ай бұрын
Thankyou for making this so incredibly easy to understand its helped me a lot
@sweetpeaz61 Жыл бұрын
Your video helped me, it's easy to understand thanks!
@folkkay4 ай бұрын
It's an amazing compendium about gears identification. Kudos ! I'll save it for future reference. Thanks ! Edit: I'm anxious for part 2, bevel gears ? :o)
@merlin19432 жыл бұрын
This really helped me to identify a helical gear! Thank You
@lcegraphicservices Жыл бұрын
Watching your explanation of the helical gear reminded me of a related experience. I worked with a mechanical engineer who specified which direction to feed the tap when tapping holes because he thought that tapping a hole in the "wrong" direction produced a left-hand thread. The machinists just played along with him. Since no incorrect threads were ever produced, the engineer never had any doubts.
@andrewhall2554 Жыл бұрын
I wonder if that would actually be possible with a very large diameter fine thread tap with lots of flutes? (And a lot of force). I expect it would just shred the tap.
@AndysMachines Жыл бұрын
@@AndysMachines Sorry, I didn't write my comment very well. The fellow I was referring to would always specify which side of the part to feed the tap into. There was no intention of trying to feed the tap opposite to the normal direction. His intention was to tap the hole from the same side as the fastener was threaded in. He sincerely believed that tapping from the opposite side produced a left-hand thread.
@andrewhall2554 Жыл бұрын
@@andrewhall2554 If he was making a taper pipe thread then he was right to be careful. :-)
@KallePihlajasaari4 ай бұрын
Thanks for the refresher! It’s been more than 30 years I studied this topic, and now that I need it your explanation helped me a lot. Hey I even remembered where my notes were. I need 2 gears in my new (used) lathe and I keep messing something in my calculations. I should’ve started with module and, if not working with diametral pitch. Thanks again.🙏
@thigtsquare9502 жыл бұрын
Terrific video! Really looking forward to the spiral bevel gear video as that's what I need atm. Thanks for explaining so clearly:)
@nicholasmuller30212 жыл бұрын
Thank you this is pure gold
@nunomiguelrodriguessilva3028Ай бұрын
Very well explained good job Thanks a lot!
@TechnicalRangbar Жыл бұрын
Great video. I learned all that in school many decades ago, and The Algorithm must have known that I'd forgotten how to do it.
@mattw7949 Жыл бұрын
Each time I was typing a question the answer popped up! 20+ years go I wrote some software that helped me determine screw threads. I was restoring my 1966 Norton 650 SS at the time, and had biscuit tins with indeterminate rusty screws from previous repairs. The result was probabilistic in that, given diameters and very rough tpi/pitch, and correcting for 30 years of rust, a likely thread was proposed. It worked well. I wonder if something similar could be done for gears. The next step would be to determine screw threads and gear splodules optically, using a smartphone app.
@frogandspanner2 жыл бұрын
Just what I'm looking for. Thanks for sharing 🙏
@mmnyako Жыл бұрын
Excellent! I can now finally identify the change gears on my Chinese made lathe/ milling combination machine. It has some damaged gears and I need to make new ones so I can screw cut some standard metric threads. Obviously I need to know the module so I can buy the involute cutters to do the job. I've got a rotary table with the disks with different holes in them for setting up the number of teeth, god my memory is getting bad these days I can't remember the correct name for them lol anyway thanks for this video it's so helpful.
@samrodian919Ай бұрын
A wealth of information. Thank you so much Sir!
@garyhardman83692 жыл бұрын
Very fine explanation of this important technical fact. Great !
@9traktor2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much! I think it was my comment on your last video that prompted your making this one. I'm so glad. Now I have the information I need to either order an off the shelve gear for one of my old machines, or maybe even make one myself. Thank you!
@KW-ei3pi2 жыл бұрын
Yes, it may well have been your question that prompted me to make this, though I've been asked how to identify gears a number of times, both on YT and in real life, so the next time it happens I can point them here!
@AndysMachines2 жыл бұрын
Amazing. Thanks for sharing. This is exactly what I was looking for. I'm just beginning to cut gears on my old Atlas.
@sky173 Жыл бұрын
Bloody hell, you had me at 1:10 And here I thought that TubalCain (that was a schoolteacher) made it easy to understand, you have him beaten hands down
@sidewind13125814 күн бұрын
Very informative! Thank you for taking the time to share
@maloyaircraft11742 жыл бұрын
Great video, Andy. Don't be teasing me with that spyroid gear! ;)
@MyLilMule2 жыл бұрын
Great info and explanation. Thank you!
@TheUnimaker2 жыл бұрын
This guy is legend👏👏👏 you cleared all my doubts🔥
@shashikantsingh6555 Жыл бұрын
Well done - thanks! I look forward to the follow up video on bevel and whatever that last gear is called!
@andrewwakefield45192 жыл бұрын
I'll probably never use this knowledge but I really enjoyed it. Thanks
@siratahlemuhammad81892 жыл бұрын
Very useful! Thanks for sharing your knowledge 👍
@pepzi_2 жыл бұрын
Great video!!! Thanks for posting! 👍
@mxcollin952 жыл бұрын
Damnit I wanted to know the last one lol nice video you do really clean work 👌
@lazguevara1512 жыл бұрын
Excellent explained for gear module. Now you should make another video on bavel gear module formula.🎉🎉
@dashrathkumargoranagorana19711 ай бұрын
Thankyou so much for this!! Your explanations are very good 👍
@TABE-O2 жыл бұрын
8:22 Andy: "Okay then, what's this?" me "That's just like the one I'm trying to identify!" (except mine isn't helical) Andy: "Maybe I'll save that for another video." me: "Nooooo!!"
@somerandomnification Жыл бұрын
BRILLIANT, I've been searching for this exact explanation in simple layman's terms, for ages, came across an American one, but he waffled on for over 8 mins what you explained in 1min. 😊😊 I'm assuming the 25.4 you mention is 1" in mm ?
@mickyas100011 ай бұрын
Thanks! Yes, 1" =25.4mm.
@AndysMachines11 ай бұрын
Very great explanation💐💐💐
@abdulkhalegalghamdi6635 Жыл бұрын
Very complete and useful explanations Thank you
@alirezamirabdolbaghi651 Жыл бұрын
extremely useful! Thank you!
@chrismayer89905 ай бұрын
great video! waiting for your next video to find out measuring bevel gears for reverse engineering and also a way to find profile shifting .thanks man.
@farzamkarnia321 Жыл бұрын
Awesome video! Any chance of you expanding on this and laying down some simple techniques for working out the profile shift factor for non-standard gears?
@justRD1 Жыл бұрын
Excellent video, thank you much!
@paulbriozzo48956 ай бұрын
You are the best!!! Thanks for the video
@dmitryp5530 Жыл бұрын
Excellennt video, very clear, many thanks!
@Sigean11130 Жыл бұрын
Well done!
@bryanburger3 ай бұрын
Great info mate..thanks👍👍👍👍
@garyknight30192 жыл бұрын
Very informative, thanks!
@HM-Projects2 жыл бұрын
Great channel.
@deanharris7149 Жыл бұрын
the last week or so I am literally trying to run all this down for some old transmission gears that are no longer made / in short supply and trying to figure out how to I.D and make my own should it become necessary ! Thank you !!!
@automan12232 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing 👍
@CraigLYoung2 жыл бұрын
What a nice job!
@ebrewste2 жыл бұрын
Excellent Sir love from India
@jayantagoswami12810 ай бұрын
Great information....thanx
@karannayyar803010 ай бұрын
I have a similar trick to figure out which hand is my left from which one is my right: The right hand is the one that has the thumb on the left. easy.
@nicolasaudouard8956 Жыл бұрын
Excellent learning video Thanks. But "what about the pressure angle" I was thinking. I am bogged down at this step, so I guess from your video I should just go with 20deg unless it looks too fat or too thin. With a small gear I find it hard to judge.
@gregwmanning2 жыл бұрын
You can use 2 guage pins and a micrometer and a gear chart to find it, but that chart may be extemely hard to find unless you have a gear textbook, and it would only work for even tooth count gears. The best way realistically is to genereate the gear in a cad program, add guage pin cross sections in sketch, and measure the distance in cad and compare to a micrometer measurement
@alextreseder62742 жыл бұрын
For pressure angle of a spur gear tooth, find the point on the tooth that is radially 5/9 (0.5555) of the distance from the root circle, to the crown of the tooth. Find the centerline of the tooth. This is the tooth's line of symmetry, which passes through the axis of the gear. Measure the angle between the tangent line of the tooth at the aforementioned point and the centerline of the tooth. And _that_ is the pressure angle. *Example 1:* If you find that the point on a tooth that is 5/9 the height of the tooth, has a tangent line angle that is 20° from the centerline of the tooth, then 20° is the pressure angle.
@richardhead82642 жыл бұрын
Informative, Thanks...
@ashupeetu2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting. Thanks
@RustyInventions-wz6ir25 күн бұрын
Really clear thanks I enjoyed that. 😀
@julias-shed2 жыл бұрын
Looking forward to your «another video». Those helical bevel-gears are a nightmare to understand and even more so to replicate. Allmost there, CNCing in nylon, but still not perfect.
@robertelstad66022 жыл бұрын
Spiral bevel to be exact. I used Gearteq to generate them in solidworks and sent them out for fabrication. They cost a fortune to make on those specialised gleason machines.
@impactodelsurenterprise2440 Жыл бұрын
Brilliant thanks for this
@johnlarkin29802 жыл бұрын
Thank you 🙏
@joell4392 жыл бұрын
really nice video 👍
@pk07creation Жыл бұрын
same applies for a helical gear?
@HopeScreen7 ай бұрын
Great... What a cliffhanger, exactly at the moment when it got "interesting". Have to wait now for a second part, to identify my strange gear I have in front of me... :)
@benjaminbergmann26072 жыл бұрын
can't wait for the another video you mention at the end (I think its name is a bevel gear)
@aldobruno7122 жыл бұрын
I'm still wondering where that formula came from. Still great video. I'm already waiting for the next episode
@kudui212 жыл бұрын
Bravo!
@ApukEldar2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant
@normesmonde53322 жыл бұрын
Great video! What animation software are you using and do you like it?
@alextreseder62742 жыл бұрын
Please keep making videos, they're great! Why do you need to add 2 to the number of teeth when determine module or DP?
@ledfootlou25402 жыл бұрын
I didn't go too deeply into the theory in this video (I've covered this in other videos). The reason is that the pitch circle diameter of the gear is equal to the module x the number of teeth. The height the teeth protrude above the pitch circle is (called the addendum) is 1x the module and there is a tooth on each opposite side which makes the outside diameter equal the module x number of teeth +2 x module, which simplifies to module x no. teeth +2.
@AndysMachines2 жыл бұрын
@@AndysMachines seems to me by that logic - the formula would be (OD-2)/N
@laurelgymnastics1634 Жыл бұрын
I have gears files in STL format in CAd and i don't know what are its parameters? like the module, pitch etc
@HopeScreen7 ай бұрын
If you have an .stl you should be able to take measurements from it in the CAD program.
@AndysMachines7 ай бұрын
Nice
@Madhankumar-bh4wz5 ай бұрын
I also have a helical gear. o.d 39.25 helix angle 16 degrees, and 11 teeth. Does the profile shift factor affect the modulus of the gear? Best regards
@velitom11602 жыл бұрын
Next video please new beast here from the Philippines 🇵🇭🇵🇭🇵🇭🇵🇭
@sandyimperial59282 жыл бұрын
thanks i just learnt some thing...i guess the width will be called out for too.
@russellwilson5246 Жыл бұрын
What about bevel helical gear? How to indentify it. Thanks for explanation
@masmarten9102 Жыл бұрын
5:18
@AndysMachines Жыл бұрын
super sir
@Know-Tree Жыл бұрын
These videos of yours should be shown in trade school
@nedshead59062 жыл бұрын
Hello. What kind of milling machine you use, and what modification do you make in it? Greetings
@rafaelklu2 жыл бұрын
It's an RF45 type milling machine, I have several videos on the hobbing attachment I built for it starting here: kzhead.info/sun/arullayOq3uZZJs/bejne.html
@AndysMachines2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant , I need to pick your brain. I have a left tooth gear and a right tooth gear both the same size in every way, with a missing gear in the middle but not only is it missing it will be a smaller one in size, How do I determine what tooth and pitch and module tooth gear cog to buy. I own a old jewelers hand crank roller for rolling gold and silver, between the rollers ,but at the top there would of been a T bar handle with the stem of the T bar running through a small tooth cog, So when I turn the T bar the smaller cog would turn, When this small cog turns it also turns the left and right bigger cogs and these raise the roller.
@piecetoyou82857 ай бұрын
Does the rolling mill have helical gears for adjusting the gap between the rollers, or straight cut spur gears? If they are helical they can't be opposite-handed if there is only one gear in between. A left will only mesh with a right, so the centre drive gear must be the opposite of both the larger driven gears. Perhaps I misundertood, and you just meant they are located on the left and right? If they are spur gears, this can be calculated from the number of teeth, (outer) diameter, and center distance between the gears (measure across both and subtract the diameter of one).
@AndysMachines7 ай бұрын
@@AndysMachines If I put it in another way, if I am looking down at the top of the machine (,birds eye view) there are meant to be three gears all in a vertical line so all the centers are in line with each other, The gear on the left is present, the gear on the right is present ,the gear in the middle is missing , so if i was to look down from above at these gears it should look like this OoO but the little center gear in the middle would be more central in line with the left and right , but at the moment it looks like this O O as there is a missing middle smaller gear. Now the left and right gears cannot be moved closer or further as they have center shafts holding them in there position, So the space between them can not be adjusted, So I need to find out what size , pitch and module gear is needed to fit into the center between the other gears, so when turning the middle gear, clock or anti clock it will turn the left and right gear at the same time. IF you could look up jewelers rolling mill on E bay you will see the three gears at the top, the middle one will have a T bar or a round wheel and handle connected to it by a shaft, this is the one that`s missing, on mine
@piecetoyou82857 ай бұрын
Yes, I know what a rolling mill is. I was confused by your original description of left tooth/right tooth gears, but I think the gears should be straight toothed spur gears? (Teeth not at an angle). Can you provide the measurements above? (no. teeth, OD, center distance). If so I should be able work out what you need.
@AndysMachines7 ай бұрын
I need that 😍
@machineworld187311 ай бұрын
I think I'm missing something here. I have some old helical gears from a 1970s Triumph gearbox. I measured the OD of one of them (89.85mm.) and it has 33 teeth. That makes the Module = 2.567mm.. I take it that is the width of a tooth around the PCD? I've measured a tooth at the approx. PCD and it is 4.6mm.
@MaddMart Жыл бұрын
The tooth pitch (one tooth+one space) is pi x module, which would be just over 8mm. One tooth width would be half of this, ~4mm, which is a lot closer to your measurement. It can be hard to estimate exactly where the PCD is so you might have measured slightly further down, it's a little above half the tooth depth. 2.567 module sounds like it's probably a 10DP gear (=2.54 module) or if it's likely to be metric then probably 2.5 module.
@AndysMachines Жыл бұрын
@@AndysMachines Thanks Andy. The gearbox was derived from the earlier TRs so probably 1960s or even 1950s. I'm guessing we were using imperial measurements back then?
@MaddMart Жыл бұрын
I'd guess imperial, but it could be either. 10DP and 2.5 mod are so close to each other though it might not make a difference.
@AndysMachines Жыл бұрын
Sir, how do we calculate profile shift factor. Thank you video
@velitom11602 жыл бұрын
I didn't touch on this subject, profile shift is basically cutting a gear with a modified pitch circle diameter. eg. you might cut 8 teeth on a gear blank that is the diameter of a 9 tooth gear. This produces a different tooth profile (less undercutting). It is often done on gears with low tooth counts (
@AndysMachines2 жыл бұрын
This was my bread and butter stuff back in the day when I was a gear engineer. Your videos are bringing it all back so thanks@@AndysMachines
@neilbanks68457 ай бұрын
Please make a tutorial of how to make a helical gear from computation and set-up. The conventional machining way.
@mitchelle05 Жыл бұрын
I'm going to be doing a video soon showing making a worm and wormwheel. I might do one in the future hobbing spur and helical gears with calculations etc. I get a lot of questions about how to do this.
@AndysMachines Жыл бұрын
@@AndysMachines it's a skill not usually shared, never have found here in YT a proper tutorial about helical gear. Your explanation and how to's are outstanding! Big thanks!
@mitchelle05 Жыл бұрын
What if you don't have the gear? As in no change gears for a lathe?
@opieshomeshop Жыл бұрын
Then you have a blank slate to start with!
@AndysMachines Жыл бұрын
You just make it with the same module and pressure angle as the matching gears. You decide on the tooth count and the diameter comes out of the equation. Change gears can be moved to accommodate various diameters as only their ratio matters. If you have no gears at all then you can pick a suitable module (DP) to suit the sizes and expected tooth counts.
@KallePihlajasaari4 ай бұрын
Now what if they are Stub Tooth gears? Used to cut a lot of those. The Fellows variety. The pitch circle was one DP. And the tooth height was another. The gear pitches expressed by the pitch circle over the tooth height. One example being a 40 tooth 10/12 DP gear. A pitch diameter of 4.000 and an overall diameter of 4.000 + (1/12 x 2).
@mpetersen62 жыл бұрын
Yes, they would be a special case, which would fall into the category of 'all the other types of gear I didn't mention'.
@AndysMachines2 жыл бұрын
Experienced eyes would spot the pressure angle or stub teeth etc. Some corrected gears can appear a different pressure angle and when I used to design gears for the motor sport industry, We would often design gears with corrections so that standard tooling can be used for designing strong high pressure angle gears. (Not easy to spot with the nakid eye though)
@neilbanks68457 ай бұрын
When I get your measurements36 divided by 34 + 2 came out to 3 you said it came out the one how did you do it
@12mp1212 жыл бұрын
36 ÷ (34+2) = 36 ÷ 36 = 1
@AndysMachines2 жыл бұрын
👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
@VladekR2 жыл бұрын
Hey I was confused becuase i dont speak english but lets say i have a gear that has 12 teeth and a diameter of 32 and i did 12teeth + 2 ÷ 32= 12.0625 module but then I didn't get what the rest of the video meant could you please explain? Like what is the actual number I need to use? Like what's the final number to work the gear?
@user-mg9mg1dy8n10 ай бұрын
Well, first of all you want to divide 32 by 12+2, not the other way around, but what you've actually done is divide the 2 by 32 and then add it on to the 12. ie. the formula should be 32 ÷ (12+2). I'm not sure if this is an actual gear or just an example, (or if something's been lost in translation) but that comes to 2.286 module, which is much closer to an imperial 11DP gear than any metric size, so the actual number you want is probably 11DP.
YT is full of over complicated, underinforming rubbish about gears. This is the clearest, most informative video I have seen. Well done!
Great video. My father was a gearbox designer and these parameters were often spoken of at out house. He wrote software in Pascal to calculate the various design parameters and working life according to the various DIN/ISO/AGMA/BS standards that all had their own quirks. and incompatibilities. All new designs were metric but he often had to fall back to the other standards when repairs were required for older imported machines. Trip down memory lane, thanks.
Simple and useful video. First time I understood the left handed and right handed helical gear. Thanks a lot sir.,
This is a very clear and no nonsense description of gears / gearing - exactly what I have been looking for!
This channel is better than school. Gratitude
Some subjects are best learned from a video rather than falling a sleep reading a machinist book. This is one of those subjects. Great info, thanks for sharing! 👍
Excellent video, please keep them coming, as you are the only person I've found that is putting this in to term even I can understand.
That's a great video, thanks. I reverse engineer gears so infrequently that each time I have to re-learn what little I once knew about it, which is time consuming even with the notes I keep on it. Your video is much more concise, and also showed me how to do helicals, which I've never needed to do. I'll be adding a link to it to my notes, and probably checking out some of your other videos too. Thanks again.
You earned my subscription. Simple and clear explaination. Thank you.
Very clear and well explained. Looking forward to your next episode.
A very clear explanation, thanks Andy
Very good job my friend.... 👍 👍 👍 👍
The best and most wonderful explanation I have ever seen in my life Thank you very much and we want more videos full of knowledge Well done sir
I used to be given chewed up gears to remake at short notice due to production breakdowns etc. It was like being Sherlock Holmes at times but very satisfying when I sussed out what it was and created a sparkling replacement for the grateful customer.
Tanks! I learned a lot about gears with your videos, never learned anything reading books about this topic! Now, a gear is less intimidating!
Outstanding, stunningly informative. Many thanks for posting, subscribed 😊
Thankyou for making this so incredibly easy to understand its helped me a lot
Your video helped me, it's easy to understand thanks!
It's an amazing compendium about gears identification. Kudos ! I'll save it for future reference. Thanks ! Edit: I'm anxious for part 2, bevel gears ? :o)
This really helped me to identify a helical gear! Thank You
Watching your explanation of the helical gear reminded me of a related experience. I worked with a mechanical engineer who specified which direction to feed the tap when tapping holes because he thought that tapping a hole in the "wrong" direction produced a left-hand thread. The machinists just played along with him. Since no incorrect threads were ever produced, the engineer never had any doubts.
I wonder if that would actually be possible with a very large diameter fine thread tap with lots of flutes? (And a lot of force). I expect it would just shred the tap.
@@AndysMachines Sorry, I didn't write my comment very well. The fellow I was referring to would always specify which side of the part to feed the tap into. There was no intention of trying to feed the tap opposite to the normal direction. His intention was to tap the hole from the same side as the fastener was threaded in. He sincerely believed that tapping from the opposite side produced a left-hand thread.
@@andrewhall2554 If he was making a taper pipe thread then he was right to be careful. :-)
Thanks for the refresher! It’s been more than 30 years I studied this topic, and now that I need it your explanation helped me a lot. Hey I even remembered where my notes were. I need 2 gears in my new (used) lathe and I keep messing something in my calculations. I should’ve started with module and, if not working with diametral pitch. Thanks again.🙏
Terrific video! Really looking forward to the spiral bevel gear video as that's what I need atm. Thanks for explaining so clearly:)
Thank you this is pure gold
Very well explained good job Thanks a lot!
Great video. I learned all that in school many decades ago, and The Algorithm must have known that I'd forgotten how to do it.
Each time I was typing a question the answer popped up! 20+ years go I wrote some software that helped me determine screw threads. I was restoring my 1966 Norton 650 SS at the time, and had biscuit tins with indeterminate rusty screws from previous repairs. The result was probabilistic in that, given diameters and very rough tpi/pitch, and correcting for 30 years of rust, a likely thread was proposed. It worked well. I wonder if something similar could be done for gears. The next step would be to determine screw threads and gear splodules optically, using a smartphone app.
Just what I'm looking for. Thanks for sharing 🙏
Excellent! I can now finally identify the change gears on my Chinese made lathe/ milling combination machine. It has some damaged gears and I need to make new ones so I can screw cut some standard metric threads. Obviously I need to know the module so I can buy the involute cutters to do the job. I've got a rotary table with the disks with different holes in them for setting up the number of teeth, god my memory is getting bad these days I can't remember the correct name for them lol anyway thanks for this video it's so helpful.
A wealth of information. Thank you so much Sir!
Very fine explanation of this important technical fact. Great !
Thank you so much! I think it was my comment on your last video that prompted your making this one. I'm so glad. Now I have the information I need to either order an off the shelve gear for one of my old machines, or maybe even make one myself. Thank you!
Yes, it may well have been your question that prompted me to make this, though I've been asked how to identify gears a number of times, both on YT and in real life, so the next time it happens I can point them here!
Amazing. Thanks for sharing. This is exactly what I was looking for. I'm just beginning to cut gears on my old Atlas.
Bloody hell, you had me at 1:10 And here I thought that TubalCain (that was a schoolteacher) made it easy to understand, you have him beaten hands down
Very informative! Thank you for taking the time to share
Great video, Andy. Don't be teasing me with that spyroid gear! ;)
Great info and explanation. Thank you!
This guy is legend👏👏👏 you cleared all my doubts🔥
Well done - thanks! I look forward to the follow up video on bevel and whatever that last gear is called!
I'll probably never use this knowledge but I really enjoyed it. Thanks
Very useful! Thanks for sharing your knowledge 👍
Great video!!! Thanks for posting! 👍
Damnit I wanted to know the last one lol nice video you do really clean work 👌
Excellent explained for gear module. Now you should make another video on bavel gear module formula.🎉🎉
Thankyou so much for this!! Your explanations are very good 👍
8:22 Andy: "Okay then, what's this?" me "That's just like the one I'm trying to identify!" (except mine isn't helical) Andy: "Maybe I'll save that for another video." me: "Nooooo!!"
BRILLIANT, I've been searching for this exact explanation in simple layman's terms, for ages, came across an American one, but he waffled on for over 8 mins what you explained in 1min. 😊😊 I'm assuming the 25.4 you mention is 1" in mm ?
Thanks! Yes, 1" =25.4mm.
Very great explanation💐💐💐
Very complete and useful explanations Thank you
extremely useful! Thank you!
great video! waiting for your next video to find out measuring bevel gears for reverse engineering and also a way to find profile shifting .thanks man.
Awesome video! Any chance of you expanding on this and laying down some simple techniques for working out the profile shift factor for non-standard gears?
Excellent video, thank you much!
You are the best!!! Thanks for the video
Excellennt video, very clear, many thanks!
Well done!
Great info mate..thanks👍👍👍👍
Very informative, thanks!
Great channel.
the last week or so I am literally trying to run all this down for some old transmission gears that are no longer made / in short supply and trying to figure out how to I.D and make my own should it become necessary ! Thank you !!!
Thanks for sharing 👍
What a nice job!
Excellent Sir love from India
Great information....thanx
I have a similar trick to figure out which hand is my left from which one is my right: The right hand is the one that has the thumb on the left. easy.
Excellent learning video Thanks. But "what about the pressure angle" I was thinking. I am bogged down at this step, so I guess from your video I should just go with 20deg unless it looks too fat or too thin. With a small gear I find it hard to judge.
You can use 2 guage pins and a micrometer and a gear chart to find it, but that chart may be extemely hard to find unless you have a gear textbook, and it would only work for even tooth count gears. The best way realistically is to genereate the gear in a cad program, add guage pin cross sections in sketch, and measure the distance in cad and compare to a micrometer measurement
For pressure angle of a spur gear tooth, find the point on the tooth that is radially 5/9 (0.5555) of the distance from the root circle, to the crown of the tooth. Find the centerline of the tooth. This is the tooth's line of symmetry, which passes through the axis of the gear. Measure the angle between the tangent line of the tooth at the aforementioned point and the centerline of the tooth. And _that_ is the pressure angle. *Example 1:* If you find that the point on a tooth that is 5/9 the height of the tooth, has a tangent line angle that is 20° from the centerline of the tooth, then 20° is the pressure angle.
Informative, Thanks...
Very interesting. Thanks
Really clear thanks I enjoyed that. 😀
Looking forward to your «another video». Those helical bevel-gears are a nightmare to understand and even more so to replicate. Allmost there, CNCing in nylon, but still not perfect.
Spiral bevel to be exact. I used Gearteq to generate them in solidworks and sent them out for fabrication. They cost a fortune to make on those specialised gleason machines.
Brilliant thanks for this
Thank you 🙏
really nice video 👍
same applies for a helical gear?
Great... What a cliffhanger, exactly at the moment when it got "interesting". Have to wait now for a second part, to identify my strange gear I have in front of me... :)
can't wait for the another video you mention at the end (I think its name is a bevel gear)
I'm still wondering where that formula came from. Still great video. I'm already waiting for the next episode
Bravo!
Brilliant
Great video! What animation software are you using and do you like it?
Please keep making videos, they're great! Why do you need to add 2 to the number of teeth when determine module or DP?
I didn't go too deeply into the theory in this video (I've covered this in other videos). The reason is that the pitch circle diameter of the gear is equal to the module x the number of teeth. The height the teeth protrude above the pitch circle is (called the addendum) is 1x the module and there is a tooth on each opposite side which makes the outside diameter equal the module x number of teeth +2 x module, which simplifies to module x no. teeth +2.
@@AndysMachines seems to me by that logic - the formula would be (OD-2)/N
I have gears files in STL format in CAd and i don't know what are its parameters? like the module, pitch etc
If you have an .stl you should be able to take measurements from it in the CAD program.
Nice
I also have a helical gear. o.d 39.25 helix angle 16 degrees, and 11 teeth. Does the profile shift factor affect the modulus of the gear? Best regards
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thanks i just learnt some thing...i guess the width will be called out for too.
What about bevel helical gear? How to indentify it. Thanks for explanation
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super sir
These videos of yours should be shown in trade school
Hello. What kind of milling machine you use, and what modification do you make in it? Greetings
It's an RF45 type milling machine, I have several videos on the hobbing attachment I built for it starting here: kzhead.info/sun/arullayOq3uZZJs/bejne.html
Brilliant , I need to pick your brain. I have a left tooth gear and a right tooth gear both the same size in every way, with a missing gear in the middle but not only is it missing it will be a smaller one in size, How do I determine what tooth and pitch and module tooth gear cog to buy. I own a old jewelers hand crank roller for rolling gold and silver, between the rollers ,but at the top there would of been a T bar handle with the stem of the T bar running through a small tooth cog, So when I turn the T bar the smaller cog would turn, When this small cog turns it also turns the left and right bigger cogs and these raise the roller.
Does the rolling mill have helical gears for adjusting the gap between the rollers, or straight cut spur gears? If they are helical they can't be opposite-handed if there is only one gear in between. A left will only mesh with a right, so the centre drive gear must be the opposite of both the larger driven gears. Perhaps I misundertood, and you just meant they are located on the left and right? If they are spur gears, this can be calculated from the number of teeth, (outer) diameter, and center distance between the gears (measure across both and subtract the diameter of one).
@@AndysMachines If I put it in another way, if I am looking down at the top of the machine (,birds eye view) there are meant to be three gears all in a vertical line so all the centers are in line with each other, The gear on the left is present, the gear on the right is present ,the gear in the middle is missing , so if i was to look down from above at these gears it should look like this OoO but the little center gear in the middle would be more central in line with the left and right , but at the moment it looks like this O O as there is a missing middle smaller gear. Now the left and right gears cannot be moved closer or further as they have center shafts holding them in there position, So the space between them can not be adjusted, So I need to find out what size , pitch and module gear is needed to fit into the center between the other gears, so when turning the middle gear, clock or anti clock it will turn the left and right gear at the same time. IF you could look up jewelers rolling mill on E bay you will see the three gears at the top, the middle one will have a T bar or a round wheel and handle connected to it by a shaft, this is the one that`s missing, on mine
Yes, I know what a rolling mill is. I was confused by your original description of left tooth/right tooth gears, but I think the gears should be straight toothed spur gears? (Teeth not at an angle). Can you provide the measurements above? (no. teeth, OD, center distance). If so I should be able work out what you need.
I need that 😍
I think I'm missing something here. I have some old helical gears from a 1970s Triumph gearbox. I measured the OD of one of them (89.85mm.) and it has 33 teeth. That makes the Module = 2.567mm.. I take it that is the width of a tooth around the PCD? I've measured a tooth at the approx. PCD and it is 4.6mm.
The tooth pitch (one tooth+one space) is pi x module, which would be just over 8mm. One tooth width would be half of this, ~4mm, which is a lot closer to your measurement. It can be hard to estimate exactly where the PCD is so you might have measured slightly further down, it's a little above half the tooth depth. 2.567 module sounds like it's probably a 10DP gear (=2.54 module) or if it's likely to be metric then probably 2.5 module.
@@AndysMachines Thanks Andy. The gearbox was derived from the earlier TRs so probably 1960s or even 1950s. I'm guessing we were using imperial measurements back then?
I'd guess imperial, but it could be either. 10DP and 2.5 mod are so close to each other though it might not make a difference.
Sir, how do we calculate profile shift factor. Thank you video
I didn't touch on this subject, profile shift is basically cutting a gear with a modified pitch circle diameter. eg. you might cut 8 teeth on a gear blank that is the diameter of a 9 tooth gear. This produces a different tooth profile (less undercutting). It is often done on gears with low tooth counts (
This was my bread and butter stuff back in the day when I was a gear engineer. Your videos are bringing it all back so thanks@@AndysMachines
Please make a tutorial of how to make a helical gear from computation and set-up. The conventional machining way.
I'm going to be doing a video soon showing making a worm and wormwheel. I might do one in the future hobbing spur and helical gears with calculations etc. I get a lot of questions about how to do this.
@@AndysMachines it's a skill not usually shared, never have found here in YT a proper tutorial about helical gear. Your explanation and how to's are outstanding! Big thanks!
What if you don't have the gear? As in no change gears for a lathe?
Then you have a blank slate to start with!
You just make it with the same module and pressure angle as the matching gears. You decide on the tooth count and the diameter comes out of the equation. Change gears can be moved to accommodate various diameters as only their ratio matters. If you have no gears at all then you can pick a suitable module (DP) to suit the sizes and expected tooth counts.
Now what if they are Stub Tooth gears? Used to cut a lot of those. The Fellows variety. The pitch circle was one DP. And the tooth height was another. The gear pitches expressed by the pitch circle over the tooth height. One example being a 40 tooth 10/12 DP gear. A pitch diameter of 4.000 and an overall diameter of 4.000 + (1/12 x 2).
Yes, they would be a special case, which would fall into the category of 'all the other types of gear I didn't mention'.
Experienced eyes would spot the pressure angle or stub teeth etc. Some corrected gears can appear a different pressure angle and when I used to design gears for the motor sport industry, We would often design gears with corrections so that standard tooling can be used for designing strong high pressure angle gears. (Not easy to spot with the nakid eye though)
When I get your measurements36 divided by 34 + 2 came out to 3 you said it came out the one how did you do it
36 ÷ (34+2) = 36 ÷ 36 = 1
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Hey I was confused becuase i dont speak english but lets say i have a gear that has 12 teeth and a diameter of 32 and i did 12teeth + 2 ÷ 32= 12.0625 module but then I didn't get what the rest of the video meant could you please explain? Like what is the actual number I need to use? Like what's the final number to work the gear?
Well, first of all you want to divide 32 by 12+2, not the other way around, but what you've actually done is divide the 2 by 32 and then add it on to the 12. ie. the formula should be 32 ÷ (12+2). I'm not sure if this is an actual gear or just an example, (or if something's been lost in translation) but that comes to 2.286 module, which is much closer to an imperial 11DP gear than any metric size, so the actual number you want is probably 11DP.