North Korea's NEW Tank is a Nightmare
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The M2020 was first unveiled in October of 2020, during a military parade celebrating the 75th anniversary of the North Korean Communist Workers’ Party. A total of nine drove down the main avenue during the parade, sporting what looked like modern optics, armor plating, and even active protection systems. The prototype tanks were shown off along with their new rocket systems, and a mobile gun system that’s definitely not a stryker at all.
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By all accounts, the M2020 is still in its prototyping and testing phase, and each time this tank has popped up, it’s been a bit more developed. But based on current information and looking at the rest of the DPRK’s tank fleet, we have a good idea of where the tank is at in production, and what its rough capabilities are.
One of the first things you’ll notice about the M2020 is just how visually distinct it is compared to what North Korea has shown off in the past. Historically the country has used a derivative of Russian T-62 tank designs. Trade embargos on the country, especially in the realm of military equipment have largely prevented North Korea from obtaining modern tank technology. The tanks we do see are generally frankensteined designs incorporating a base model T-62 design, with various overlapping additions from other tanks like T-72s and Type 88s as they’ve managed to get pieces of them.
Currently North Korea fields three designs, the Chonma-ho, the Pokpung-ho, and Songun-915, the latter of which was equipped with a standard 125mm smoothbore cannon.
Typically with each newer iteration of North Korean tank, a few incremental upgrades are all that are done with each, but the M2020 quickly broke this trend.
On the surface the new tank looks like a rough combination of an M1 Abrams, the T-14 Armata, and Chinese VT-4 in some areas. This has led to some speculation that China or Russia provided some level of assistance in designing the tank, which would fall in line with trends of greater cooperation between North Korea and the other two countries. This comparison to Western tanks was highlighted with its choice of desert camo, which by all accounts is useless in the Korean peninsula, but similar to a majority of modern tanks it would be based on. The latest images of the M2020 post 2023 and into 2024 now show them sporting a darker greener look, which is more suited to North Korea’s geography. Additionally with the new paint came the addition of explosive reactive armor bricks on the turret, and what appears to be T-14-like ERA plating on the side, which was absent in the initial introduction in 2020.
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Imagine investing in upgraded tank designs and when nearing completion you watch videos from Ukraine taking tanks out with handheld drones.
The microchip myth is stupid. Why would only US allies and the US themselves be able to make microchips. Its really not hard to make those: By or steal the plans to make the machines to make them. Step 2, build the machine. Step 3 watch the microchips being made as all you need to do is feed the machine with energy and materials.
the bradleys sent to Ukraine dont have a reloading capacity for their tow missiles.
Rather than knowing how bad North Korea's new tanks are, I'm more shocked that they even have "new" tanks
Its still a tank and they are still able to produce their own with modern technical equipment so underestimating that is BS
I'm not that shocked I was waiting for either Russia of China or even both countries to slighly help the DPRK get fairly modern tanks to help keep the balance against what they see as American imperalism
You are so naive to underestimate them so much.
@@Matthew-is7zs Our country's tanks have not launched new products for several years. On the Chinese Internet, we will complain that the Army's tanks are too old compared to the Navy's warships and Air Force aircraft. As for the Russian tanks... at least they're still trying to move in Ukraine, right?
I'm honestly more shocked that they made a working APS system, that's honestly impressive
Kim wanted a twin-barrelled tank but they had to talk him down to bolt-on ATGMs instead.
He wanted a mammoth tank hahaha
@@dorivaldojunior2254 Kim has the only computer in North Korea. It is only able to play Red Alert 1. He is playing Red Alert 1 to learn how to fight the Western countries. Twin barrel big tank with anti-air missile launcher will win the day.
@@dorivaldojunior2254 , the War Elephant design seems like overkill for an armor vehicle but sure, someone like Kim can dream that up. I can see it possible for mobile artillery, but not for tanks.
on a serious note, i don't know the capabilities of the russian kornet ATGMs, but if it is like Ukraine's Stugna-Ps that can also be used on low flying helicopters, i could see a possible use for them. other than that, they would be more of a liability between cost, additional maintenance, and an exposed weakness on the turret.
@@dorivaldojunior2254he probably plays halo wars
First rule of warfare, NEVER underestimate your opponent. Even if they were made from wood, you should treat them like they are more advanced than yours, until you know for certain it's not.
90% of YT videos are nothing but Murican propaganda (including this bs)
Overestimating can be even worse than underestimating, especially if a general knows how to use his reputation.
underestimating is more fatal than overestimation! do you hear yourself?@@TovKafur
@@TankboiDeng Yes, i hear myself. I also know lots of situations when the battles and wars were lost solely due to overestimating, like famous ploy of a fortress being defended by a sole musician, or like entire history of Rommel's adventures in Africa.
@@TovKafur respectfully, can you name a war that was lost due to overestimating the enemy
Looks funny how the main gun is wobbling around in that parade footage. This tank will not be able to hold a beer.
Tanks dont usually drive around with the stabiliser on at all times due to a increased maintenance cost but I do agree it looks funny
It's funny I already know what video you are talking about.
Like Abrams can. Western tanks have not been battle tested until Ukraine where they failed miserably.
@@alexorehowski3387 I want whatever it is that you're smoking. Russia has lost somewhere in the neighborhood of 5,000 tanks over the course of its illegal invasion of Ukraine. Ukraine has lost a handful of Leopard 2's and at least one Challenger 2.
@@kylerogers175 while also the biggest note not being used by American Troops who have much more extensive training/combat use with said Tanks. Its like watching an amateur gun enthusiast use a m60 vs a highly trainer Marine. The results will be massively different.
The fourth guy is down deep inside the tank, pedaling as hard as he can
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some flinstones type shit, hes walking that hunk of junk all the way
My first question when i saw the M2020: "Wait...why the hell it looks like an M1A2 Abrams tank?"
The Chinese got a lot of them from Afghanistan. We left a LOT there and not just old M1A-1 but newer ones. The CCP got a lot of gear from their.
Most modern MBT have that same boxy layout the same as stealth fighters have the save general design features because of the function dictates the form!
@@rustynail6819 i'm kinda upset that they acquired the hummer h1 but didn't make anymore of them for sale
@@rustynail6819 We left gear, but we did not leave an Abrams... Given the number of UH60 left behind, do not be suprised a chinese copy of that comes out soon...
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🇰🇵: We have new tanks, but we won’t reveal much information about it tho. War Thunder Players: *nuh uh*
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Those slots in the turret armor for the APS mean it's probably not actual armor, just a skirt or spaced armor over the same old cast turret.
Yeah, IDK what OP is smoking. Pretty obvious that isn't armor plating and the real armor is behind it.
They probably mounted a slot for an APS just so that when other countries ask where their armour is they can say "an APS goes there, we just don't have the APS. There's armour underneath there though." "How much armour?" "I'm late for school and my dog ate my homework" "How much armour is under that APS slot?" "Byeeeeee!"
@@Lurch-Botyou do realise how modern armour works do you? Composite armour is a sandwhich. you have a baseplate and an outer plate, at times there is a middle plate. All of those are traditional facehardened steel. Inbetween you have layers of composite materials stacked and angled. It is 100% possible to have holes in that stack for mounting of systems. And every tank using such a system on its turret has done just that. Optics are all mounted in exactly that way.
@@cryhavocandletslipthedogso1873 oh, your problem is that you go with that as "armour" but no modern mbt uses it as armour. it is the material used to sourround armour and guard it. All steel plates are either face hardened or just hardened depending on the quality, it does not really matter. Lighter vehicles use aluminium for the same purpose. Composite armour is the mix of it all but it needs a frame and that frame is still usually steel. Exact composition remain a secret. It would make sense that only one plate is treated specially while the internal one is softer on purpose to reduce spalling, but again most people will probably never know. I donˋt know for the M1A2 or leo 2, but the T72s use(d?) face hardeing on their upper front plate with the composit materials behind it in a sligtly milder angle than the front plate. but the exact material really does not matter to my point. it is just a shell meant to cover the composite armour inside, which is usually multiple slates of ceramic and other materials arranged in a specific form to increase protection.
Prob also why it's equipped with the APG...Most likely a primitive response to drone warfare...
"Tractor parts and cardboard held together by duct tape" Don't diss my boy Bob Semple tank like that
That was corrugated steel, TYVM
@@Attaxalotl and chewing gum plus some laminated crustacean shells as a spall liner.
RedEffect wasn't this sceptical
@@ligametis Because he's an authoritarian rooster suckler
Every 10 yr olds, 40k titan made out of pringles cans.
my Chinese friend said the tank was built with the spirit of the people, he then said: "i mean literally, dead people's souls"
I see what you did there. 💀💀
Can’t blame them, gotta please the machine god 😊
He most likely say the truth.
How is your friend being Chinese relevant here
@@markpozsar5785 Because they have a better understanding of NK than me?Because he went there as a Chinese tourist for one day? Because they have tighter trade with NK than the west? Because NK students studies at his school? Why is that irrelevant when it’s factual?
As long as you don't plan to use them in action, they can be as fancy and look as fierce as you want. All they need is to look shiny during the parades.
Same playbook as the guys who “produced” reactive armor out of cardboard for Russia. “No way they’ll ever use this… oh, snap!”
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“….. is the factory that I just mispronounced …..” hahaha. This is why I love this channel.
you enjoy being propaganized by the C.I.A :)
I added the same comment....you know for the grithm
Glad to see this comment! Great humour - haha
"Why do you watch Task & Purpose instead of other military channels?" This. This right here.
Like everything else the engines are probably provided by China and as well tuned for climate and environment as is all the junk they produce. Being all speculation from what I know if it is a diesel engine top range would be about 60 to 75 miles if that. One can clearly see by the things profile there is no spare fuel spaces on the thing. Not even a tool compartment either by appearances I make that subjective statement. Part of the height of the Abrams is the fuel tank under it. Otherwise if would look a lot like that 2020 abortion on treads. Being made in NK that produces next to nothing mechanical the hydraulic systems are probably the worst of their kind as far as surviving diff climates and the engines surviving diff blends of fuels. Thee epitome of the reasons Russian tanks ain't so popular in South America. Mexico had quite a few T34s and T72s. Over the years they just stopped running because of lousy fuels. Most South American truck drivers fill up in the USA and take reserves back. I have noticed quite a few trucks going back and forth over border with extra saddle tanks on em even 100 gallon main fuel tanks for just such purposes.
They had 9 of them that were apparently able to move under their own power for an entire parade. Say what you will but its still better than the T-14 Armata.
The tank itself or the impression given by the presentation?
Design wise it's got a lot of similarities to the T-14 Armata doesn't it?
I read that the reason the T-14 actually looked broke down was because the crew had absolutely zero training on it outside turning on and giving gas. Not sure if it's true but read the driver accidentally hit the parking brake and didn't understand why it would not move.. not sure it true but seems kind of believable.
The T-14 is a next generation tank that all others must compete against 🫡
@@4411825they are already fighting against getting canceled by ruZZian MOD
One note, at 7:51, you mention bright feathers to scare off predators, you're in the right realm of Asomatic coloration, but its not feathers and birds in this case usually, its mostly Amphibians and some reptiles, such as snakes. Feather color is mostly used to attract mates. Great video though.
at 4:22 the game simple games was used to show a 3d diagram of the tank its cool how the community for that game makes so many vehicles
Meanwhile the other Korea's k2 can function as a pseudo artillery with smart rounds, and their actual artillery can give the topographer a job every seven seconds
The T-series tanks they have most technical experience with all have the ability to do this, either with manual range tables, or electronic range calculation. The Russians have been doing this for years, and the North Koreans almost certainly have this ability as well.
Doesnt matter if they have no south koreans to man them in 20 years
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@@ghostofmarx867 Fair. If they want more kids, should start a program to incentivize having one or two children.
I really enjoy all the humor you slip into your videos without emphasizing what you just did making it subtle. Good stuff!
C.I.A are excellent comedians
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@@Taskandpurpose Central Infantrial Averageness
This channel is like "ally weapons good, enemy weapons bad"
This is Western propaganda, what did you expect?
@@lolzasja Because it's true propaganda o-o... If Russia is any indication at the levels you have to lie to your enemies just to "Cope" with how terrible your equipment is. Then you tell me who is the bigger liar.
M2020: a repurposed bob Semple with the maneuverability of the kursk submarine, the protectiveness of the m113, the fire rate of the yamato, caliber of that one Japanese light tank from ww2, and the blessing from our great leader Kimmy. perfection.
$10 million Abrams tanks are taken out by $500 RPG-7. It does not matter what tanks are built of today, they are just too expensive for any real combat. Small drones and unmanned launching platforms are the future, just like terminators.
I preordered 5 of these when the Kickstarter was launches. They work well as dimmer/volume switches (Hue & Sonos) and even managed to get a button press to trigger a specific playlist. I got excited about all the more complicated things it might do, but quickly discovered it can't do any of them.
How did you get around the sanctions to buy those tanks?
@@temper44Don't worry about it
Lmao this is very much not the video this comment was intended for
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it nearly works though. :)
IDK! Did you see his generals at the military parade? They had service metals down past the belt!!
Medals*
metals are correct, they are what you wear to pretend you did something@@hckr_-gh7se
Thats because in North Korea the generals wear medals that their grand parents or great grand parents had won
It has been this way since before you were born. If you just now saw that they wear an unholy amt of medals, you are uninformed / stupid.
@@damianodonnell5844👏 congratulations
I just saw you on Fox Buisness talking about the stinger missle. Keep up the good work bro, your doing the 56th SBCT proud.
Fantastic video! Really insightful look at North Korea's military advancements. Thanks for the great content!
It's incredibly efficient! Inside the rear compartment are 4 wheels with 9 year old Korean kids running like hell.
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@@NorthKorean_dictatorship you funny boy Jung-Un. Congratulations on this new 'best tank in the world' comrade. Look very pretty. Da da. It's nice.😊
Ah, is the old flintstone engine design making a comeback?
How many horsepowers does a 9 year old create?
not to even mention the huge weakpoints in the armour they made in the turret to simply carve in the smoke grenades in it instead of simply putting them on the outside of the armour that every tank in history have
5:14 not only those things listed, but also the added logistics and space required. Generally speaking, the tank’s gunner or commander would man the ATGM launcher, but with added space required in the turret, the tank (or vehicle) would need to be built with that and/or a smaller weapon in mind, such as the M3A3 Bradley IFV (Infantry Fighting Vehicle)
One thing toward the turret - look at the Israeli M60 upgrades, namely Magach 7A and 7C. There is still a cast and rounded turret under that boxy shape with all of the new shape being aplique armor, so there might actually be a rounded cast turret that we know from previous DPRK tanks.
They don't just completely replace the turrets Magach?
It´s a plausibility. French and israeli did uparm shermans well into the cold war the latin american countries operated the shermans with experimental 60mm high velocty guns,as well as other models well in to the cold war, the reason was that there was large number of them and they were quickly growing obsolet, so they were dirt cheap, and in many cases USA, didn´t even want to get paid for sharing their toys. The 75mm autoloader was a gun inspired by the panther´s gun in terms of ballistic performance. Not only regional refurbishment´s of pattons were made by individual nations, but US arms industry did supply several nato and asian countries with either kit´s or fully refurbished M47´s,M48´s and M60´s during the cold war, meanwhile the soviets were not willing to supply their T-64´s outside the USSR, instead choosing to supply T-54/55,T-62 and T-72 for export´s.
Adding to this, South Africa has done the same thing with the Olifant 1B and Olifant 2 which are modernized British Centurions
@@not_stardust Indeed, but Centurion turret was far less of an egg shape.
I remember Richard Deutsch of the Farmboorke regiment in Austria allegedly said that Israel and the Brits found a way to inject concrete between the mated pieces. Could be his assumptions were correct? I used to talk to the guy pretty regular but he passed away in 2021. He was a military contractor and kind of a Mentor. He said the UK did that with some obsolete tanks they mothballed for just in case purposes. To me it does sound plausible.
Bradley has entered the chat. Bradley's main gun actually killed more tanks than tanks have killed tanks. One benefit of the TOW though, is that it has a longer range than the main gun. You can hit the enemy before they're able to hit back.
It killed more _obsoletely armored_ tanks than other tanks in the same theater killed tanks. Fixed it for you.
@@Chris-fn4dfno you really didn’t fix shit. You just showed the whole internet that you’re a windbag that likes to hear his own voice
The TOW is wire guided, correct? If so, how’s it possible to have a wire that is thin enough, spools out fast enough, and knows when to let go of the originating weapon? I mean, how does it work. I understand some submarine torpedoes operate the same way. And for miles, right?
Exactly about the ATGM and why the lack of professionalism of this video didn’t understand that is funny! All Russian MBT beyond the T-62 series have this capability 🤦🏾♂️
@@4411825 I was gonna say the same lol. The question isn't why a tank has an atgm. Spoiler alert many tanks around the world have atgms on it that's not the problem. If these are top attack atgms then they're actually useful. Problem with a main gun fired atgm or shell is that it has to go through armour. Top down attack missiles... don't. I don't think this guy knows much about tank weapons. As for it being on a launcher. Technically makes it more versatile. Like it can at theory kill a tank with the atgm then follow up with a shot from the main gun. The atgm is a guaranteed hit essentially but the gun can still deviate. also the talk about a grenade launcher being on top instead of a 50 cal. Yeah. That's pretty obvious why you'd want that lol. The whole point of the 50 cal was to take out armoured vehicles and these days just light armoured vehicles. However how useful that actually is compared to a normal machine gun and more importantly, a fully automatic grenade launcher that can fire dual purpose rounds for anti armour and anti infantry... yeah a grenade launcher is a bit more useful. Israel already uses them. So does the US but the US doesn't mount them on tanks. Not that it makes much sense to me because if you're forced into an urban environment an automatic grenade launcher is hands down more effective than a main gun, coax or 50 cal. Whatever though.
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If they switched out the TOW for some AA missile, well i could see some use for countering tank poppers like the Apache. Which for them would make sense, our air-force bodied their tanks before, they would want something to keep possibly more offensive tanks safe from a similar attack.
Don't forget the A-10 warthog's...Highly effective/accurate anti-tank weapons when unchallenged by laser targeted ground defense.
North Korea also designed a new Wheeled Tank Destroyer also called " M2020/2024 ", it resembles an American Strike IFV / Russian BMP-3 but with a 155mm duel purpose anti-tank / field gun and 4 ATGM systems.
Planning on doing a video on the Stryker knock off ! That was my ride in iraq so I’m flattered they made one haha
"designed" is a strong word
Is it as good as Russian Terminator? (Sarcasm)
@@TheRezro Probably less as the Russians have at least designed some good tanks/IFV (for the time) so they have SOME experience.
"Designed" designed? Or like they sketched one out on a napkin because "Dat be soooo cool!" designed? ^ said with NK accent, ofcourse...
"A break in the armor would be a weak point" Yeah, well, that is if that *is* armor, and not just a bit of superstructure on top of a normal T62 turret hiding beneath. :P
It looks like plywood to me, a bad try at pimping their T62's. I'm not convinced they are real.
@@davidpowell6098 Who do ya think China has been selling all our used recycled washers and dryers too?
The only reason I can think of for those twin-tubes bolted on the side, is to have extra rounds available at a moments notice, if the main gun is busy or reloading or loaded with a different type or round.
Excellent presentation on an area where very few of us have any reliable knowledge.
I'm actually impressed to the fact that they produced a tank that looks modern without thinking it's capabilities is modern too
And unlike the T-14 Atrapa, it actually managed to get through its first parade without breaking down.
Of course it's made for show off their current tactic is just nuclear bombs and show of some fake thanks it's not like these times needs to be in war
My uncle in garage can make modern looking tank. It is based on tractor, but still.
@@h.a.9880 TBH T-14 is probably over-complicated but unrefined tank. M2020 is clearly just a prop.
@@h.a.9880 Armata T14 got through its first parade just fine.
That was actually exactly what i was wondering when I first saw them brag about it. Adding dual atgm rws is like adding loads of spikes to your helmet or chariot for "extra killage". It also makes it more complicated to modularly up-armour the tank against new in field threats.
ATGMs offer beyond line of sight targeting as well as lock on after launch capabilities. Both features a regular tank gun is lacking, so in theory a mbt could score two hits against enemy armor without even leaving cover and being detected by the enemy.
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Good video, great level of details, I'm just amazed you are able to present everything so well.
He did not present how it will stand up against Bidens new EV tanks that shoot them giant pink dildos and glitter bombs.
Love the "wish" thing you did there on the thumbnail 😂 so accurate
6:16 That Death Stranding guy carrying TOW missile struggling killed me 🤣🤣😂😂
Someone has to stay outside to reload it...
Playing devil's advocate regarding the ATGM's: As mentioned, tank on tank combat is relatively rare. Having a couple of ATGMs can allow the tank to carry more HE rounds and use the expensive ATGMs for other tanks (though probably still carrying sabot, only less of them). ATGMs are quieter and harder to spot where they are fired from, and can fire from longer ranges, not to mention may hit other tanks behind cover with a top attack (assuming the missile has the capability). They might also make sense if used against other tanks with active protection, allowing a quick double tap ATGM+Sabot in an attempt to defeat the APS (depending on the APS, this may or may not be effective). ATGMs can also be used against low flying aircraft, giving the tank limited AA capability. I think ATGMs can make sense on MBT's if they are used sparingly for those niche cases. With this in mind, awkward reloading of the missiles is not such a big deal, as they can fall back to SABOT from the main cannon if they expend both missiles in combat.
Increased HE complement was my first thought as well. The other very valid reason to add missiles is if the gun lacks in long range precision. Might be the sights, firecontrol system or the gun barrel, but either way a missile would solve that problem, leaving the shorter range engagements to the gun. A third reason is if NK has problems producing long rod APFSDS capable of reliably punch through modern armour, thus limiting them to HEAT rounds that are notoriously difficult to use at long range due to their slower speed and thus long travel times (which was the reason Soviet Union dabbled in gun launched missiles to begin with).
I’m always willing to keep an open mind ! They could be dope as heck for all I know
ATGM idea is great! Not only tank on tank combat is rare, it can be used to engage at long distances. It can be used against helicopters.
@@Taskandpurpose could also be like the 75mm B-25 guns (Military Aviation History put up a video recently), solid reasons and flawless solution but in the end the application was so limited that it in hindsight was a waste of time and resources.
The ATGMs could also allow for engaging targets at a wider depression/elevation range than the main gun, which is relevant in the very hilly Korean peninsula.
Chris, I’d watch your videos even if I were blind. Besides the information, you have a viciously hilarious and increasingly subtle sense of humor that makes me look forward to every posts. Even if you have others to help do research, only you could pull off that delivery.
Just a thought, maybe the ATGM launchers serve more of a purpose than just cosmetic. Maybe it serves the purpose of a first-fire weapon, that could give it the initiative in a modern armored engagement. I would imagine that the NK is probably aware of its shortcomings and this may be a way to compensate for them.
I love this for the same reason i like IFVs main battle tanks always have a 120mm smooth or 125mm smooth bore with a coaxial 7.62 machine gun but IFVs can be amphibious they can have a 30 25 or even 50 mm cannon they might have a missile and they have different amounts of people they can even have different levels of stanag
If only this new tank was a symbol of North Korea's ability to feed its population instead of launching nuclear firecrackers into the Pacific Ocean, lmao...
If you wanna go there: - It actually is. Korea aint experiencing a (US induced) famine as of now. At the same time tho: 44 Million americans go hungry to bed every day and that despite the Dozens of Billions in Taxes being gifted to people like Elon Musk.
If only the USA was a force for good in the world and it's diabetics did not have to make a choice between buying food or insulin...........
Those soldiers look quite buff. They can't obtain that physique from being under fed. I don't think we should underestimate opponents. It is well demonstrated how underestimation can lead to defeat. Ask Ukraine.
NK just sold few million shells to a certain country ... that is world greatest exporter of wheat ... Hmmm 🤔
@@robertbennett9949 Bit outdated on that burn, Insulin is price controlled in the U.S. now, as of January of last year.
HEYY!! I GOTTA LET YOU KNOW. I WATCHed a handful of channels with military Info, with older guys, most of which are prior military pilots. But, you do a really good job! You give accurate info, even include/explain,vital side notes, where relevant. I've been following you for a pretty good while now. Never commented. Thanks again!
Theoretical application : With a UAV scouting for the tank and marking/lazing targets beyond range of the main gun it should be possible to engage from a long stand off using a high angle of attack. Using the tank gun for protection and the missile/uav combo as the main way of attack..... would be a different type of warfare, but the Korean peninsila is anyway too hilly/mountainous for tank warfare.
More tailored as a mobile surface to air system...Specifically A-10 warthogs, and possibly drone attacks...Ise the ATG's to protect their longer-range traditional launchers...Or, even their airfields, against A-10 straffing...
@taskandpurpose did you notice in the picture ( at 17.08) with the tank crew that 2 tanks are damaged and the tracks are visible. from right to left it is the second and the fourth tank. The second one is missing the track cover on the right and the fourth one is heavily bent and torn out on the side
A recent video from a major South Korean youtuber interviewed a defected North Korean engineer, saying that after the first Gulf War, Kim Jong-Il was shocked by the poor combat performance of Soviet equipment. The Supreme Leader gave an order to obtain an actual example of the M1A1 Abrams and to copy it as best as possible. According to the engineer, they did indeed succeed in getting one, and the copying work was well underway when he defected in the mid 2000s. He says that the M2020 should be the result of this 3 decades long project and is indeed based on the Abrams, with some of the more advanced(less copy-able) tech coming from China, Russia, and/or Iran.
Just because you have a copy of something does not mean you can easily reverse engineer it. I'd be interested in what the defector engineer has to say about NK actually got an M1. An entire vehicle? Doubtful.
@@adamwsaxe "Just because you have a copy of something does not mean you can easily reverse engineer it." Sidewinder missiles and the USSR would like to have a word with you. One ended up in the side of a Chinese MIG, undetonated. The official statement from the USSR was "thanks for the university course in AA missile design" NK is greatly underestimated. Same with Iran, given they got a free predator drone a while back.
@@daviddavidson2357 the Predator drone is 90's technology. It's not like some cutting edge super weapon, and where has that drone lead Iran in their drone techology? Oh right yeah they're using Shahed drones that sound like flying lawnmowers powered by a turboprop engine.
To be fair, they spent 30 years reverse engineering a tank that was in combat 30 years ago. While the modern Abrams may not be too different, It's still a gulf war era tank going up against the next generation. I also have a theory that the military technology that the public is aware of is 5-10+ years behind the true cutting edge of military design. All that plus the poor tank design of the East along with the reduced industrial capacity of NK means I don't think this tank is going to be a huge issue. The attached ATGM means that even if they have Abrams designs, they're still gonna make a lot of stupid tank decisions on their own.
@@TheStacato Shaheds are meant to be cheap and disposable. They’re suicide attack drones, in case you haven’t noticed. Nobody, not even the US, is going to put super-high-tech stuff on a suicide attack drone. It’s hardly a worthy comparison with something like the Predator. Iran has a bunch of recon/strike drones as well, and from what I’ve seen, they seem to be more or less comparable with the early Predator models at least.
loved this episode, very informative as usual
One thing an ATGM can do that a tank round can't is fly over the target tank and blast downward into the thin topside armor, greatly increasing the chance of a kill. Ordinary tank projectiles have to come from a horizontal plane, and tank armor is specifically designed to minimize vulnerability from those directions. So putting ATGMs on tanks makes a lot of sense after all from a lethality standpoint, although it's a valid question whether that increased lethality is worth the added logistic penalties.
ATGM's can be worth it if they significantly outrange the standard gun, and you can fire from ambush. This checks out if they are designing this tank for a specific role and/or a specific area.
For the tanks having ATGMs, one other explanation could be they aren't confident that their FCS is capable of matching or beating M1/K2 FCS in terms of first round hit probability at range, so similar to the logic of gun/missile hybrids in the 60's and 70's, they slapped on an ATGM to cover off on the "short" range envelope with the main cannon and for things they deem in excess of the cannon's effective range, they have at least a pair of missiles on tap.
False!
If ATGMs on tanks would have any tactical value actual army would have already deployed these. I am quite sure that these "ATGM" launchers on this North Korean "tank" are just mock-ups. The econimic capabilities of North Korea and the military capababiites they claim to have do not match at all.
It is possible that their tank's main gun is not capable of firing ATGMs and they have to put an ATGM launcher from the outside, the best way to fix this problem is to not rush your tank production and actually just make a better gun.
Yeah...Only problem being that is a 2A46 derivative, which CAN shoot TGMs. Having an additional bolt-on ATGM system, which is a Kornet-type laser-guided launcher which is capable of HE-VT Anti-Air capabilities, Thermobaric Warhead capabilities, Tandem AT capabilities on a range from 5 to 10 km....That gives you a lot more capabilities while keeping it relatively cheap. Also, before you talk about things being "jury-rigged" and "poor", take a look on the Ukraine front and what got the Leopard, the Abrams, the T-s. The West laughed at "cope-cages mhahaha copium so hard ruzzia lose" and then what? Everyone started doing it, what do you know.
External ATGM's don't have limitation of being squized through the barrel. It means they can have longer range, bigger warhead, easier way to upgrade...
@@sergeyalaev9393 Having an unnecessary external atgm launcher creates a weak spot on the side armor, they added ERA for a reason and it may just be that the hull armor isn't enough protection, so taking up space for an atgm launcher instead of ERA will only make it another weak spot with the APS placement, kornet is good, yes. However, it will only be a logistical problem with it being external (this also applies to other external launchers other than kornet) the crew will have to add another stress on resupplying those atgms once they all get used up, also the probability that north Korea has low numbers of atgms designed for the m2020 may force them to remove it to the design completely. Ps, the wars in Ukraine and the middle east Aren't being won, one is just in an advantage than the other, in the end we are just shoving each other down. No matter how strong or well protected your war machines could be, there's no guarantee that it won't be destroyed, it is a factor of war to lose something to gain.
And maybe the Armor piercing round of the tank isn't good enough to fight modern tanks. Usually North Korea recycle part design from older vehicles like the canon or put add on armor on an older tank.
Lol what? The wested billions of dollars on a tank that can shoot atgms. Even then the gun was overly changed in coming years because of problem after problem. Meanwhile having a atgm launcher outside is better since it can help in targeting multiple targets as well as equipping higher calibre atgms
Let's see it in action before jumping to early conclusions.
Point being; We don't want to see it in action, because that would mean war were declared...
It's probably a heavily up-armored Yugo GT 4 door wagon, nicknamed, the "Wego..."
It is possible that the ATGM launcher was added so that it could achieve standoff with potential enemies. ATGM’s usually have longer range than a tank’s main gun, so standoff would be possible with that weapon system.
Most missiles will have ranges of about 3.5-4km. Most modern APFSDS fired from western MBTs should be able to deal with Russian tanks from 3+km away with their modern anti-era tips, so the distances are actually somewhat similar, if we consider the armor to be on similar level for the mbt2020. European countries are also installing new fire and forget ATGMs on their IFVs with range of 5+km like the AKERON and spike missiles, which would be the bane of tanks on long range engagements. So while the ATGM might look like a good idea on paper, I think it’s uses are still pretty limited.
@@vizender Smoothbore guns using fin-stabilized ammunition aren't as accurate as rifled barrels using spin-stabilized ammunition like British 120mm HESH. So, over longer ranges of 4km or more, smoothbores aren't especially accurate, not to mention that you need to wait 2 seconds for a 120mm APFSDS round from M1 Abrams to hit a target 5km away which will likely miss a target going at high speed over rough terrain, while ATGM can constantly update trajectory and thus it's plausible to hit even slow airborne targets like helicopters or low flying drones which is why you got smart guided munition on modern tanks like Israeli Merkva MK4 or South Korean K2, not to mention beyond visual range wire-guided missiles on IFVs like latest versions of CV90 with Trophy APS that can kill your fancy but obsolete M1A2 Abrams without active ballistic protection from behind a hill by top attack or even by an insurgent using cheap modified civilian drone...
@@IonorRea France advertise that they can hit a target moving at over 40ph when they themselves move at that speed over 2km away. From interviews of crew commander they also claim that, with an APFSDS they are able to hit in an area of a disk with a diameter of about 50cm from 4km away. Modern FCS and rods can still be very precise at such distances
It’s a good point ! Personally I don’t think ranges over 100km are likely in Korea geography , it’s not the desert . Not sure you’d need more range there , maybe in Iraq geography .
But what is the point of anything long range in a country like North Korea which is mostly rough mountains with steep sided winding valleys? To use range they would need to place the tanks on the mountain peaks which would leave them as sitting ducks.
It is a huge relief to see you came out with a new video after spending hours studying to the point where my brain is melting. Thank you.
ATGM has a 4km range -vs- 1.5km range for a sabot fired from the 125mm Main Gun (2A46 Canon)... but then again the 9M112 missile has a 4km range, and 9M119 missile a 5km range, which can both be fired from the 2A46 Canon.
The ATGM can engage out to 10+km. What tank main gun can reachnout that far? Iirc theybcan also engage aircraft/helos and because its wire guided, good lucknwith coubtermeasures because they wont be spoofed by flares, chaff or ECM
Allegedly the tanks barrel is made out of the finest bamboo.
That's goooood... 🤣
I see now why NATO ships tons of bamboo to Ukraine.
Can’t wait for this to be added to war thunder and have it’s documents leaked.
Xdd but imagine if they add North Korea 💀💀💀
:) what could possibly go wrong?
lol
i think with the atgms they aren't designed to be reloaded in the middle of combat, people always think "oh how would you ever reload those in battle and how would you constantly keep them supplied with the missiles" and i think it's more of a thing where they start out with them, they use them, and then they don't get reloaded until they're out of combat and the missiles are available, the tank would still be perfectly capable of being deployed just without the missiles loaded
The fact that they were able to build a tank at all with their sanctions is impressive.
I like how every time Russia, China, NK, etc comes out with a new piece of military kit the internet decides to critique the designs so they can go back and fix the critiques in the next iteration.
Are you amazed that they do the basics of iteration to their BIGDILDOX9000 9th version that will cripple and destrory the homesex west, while western designs are either at 4th gen with minimal compromises or at the 6th generation in the state of the art equipament. T4 Armata might as well be considered a fairy tale instead of a tank.
@@jumpergamer1913 I'm more amazed that they don't bother taking the information and actually putting it to use yeah. It was more a comment on the situation more than anything else.
A very smart way to get a free consultacy.
Thank you for the adventure time reference, very nice.
One of my favorite shows !
I subscribed just because he's a fan.
It's soo funny when I learn all about these military weapons and logistics when I just blundered my way around them when playing through Operation: Flashpoint game, like me not knowing what certain tank shells or launchers was.
So me and some of my friends looked at it to see what it could be it looks like it could be a t-something ( don't remember what we figured out the hull was but they match pretty closely) or maybe another tank in there inventory but modernized to NK best ability and extra armor add to it
There was an old PC game called "Army Men" where you fight with little plastic soldiers and tiny toy equipment. This is the first thing that came to my mind when I saw this LOL
This is the video about NK army, not about US army, dude 😋
@@aleksazunjic9672 You're joking, right? Comparing NK to the US in terms of military might and technological advancement. What a joke lmao.
@@otectus2187 Well, US army is now full of little plastic "men" i.e. "persons" , with sensitivity training and high heels 🤣😆
Army Men RTS was gold
@@otectus2187NK defeated US Army once before. You may call it a cease fire but we all know why the Korean war stopped. USA lost. Thats all there was to it. Then they lost in Vietnam, once again a loss to a primitive enemy. Then latest they lost to Taliban, a bunch of bearded guys who are afraid of little girls in school, what is your point here??
A tank that needs an anti-tank guided missile. Defeats the purpose of what a tank's cannon is design to do.
Not really. Tanks job since forever is for the most part to lob HE at positions. It's very weird though yeah, but it doesn't defeat the entire purpose
Russia's ATGM has range overmatch over the Abrams 120mm cannon.
No, ATGMs are used for long distance combat and low flying aircraft.
Lol, tanks basically never get the chance to shoot sabot rounds at other tanks anyway.
ATGMs are better for moving targets and helicopters, have more range and accuracy than shells, and aren't affected by velocity drop off from range like most shells because they have warheads instead of kinetic penetrators and can carry a larger payload
Someone or something can target something the tank can’t see. “Line of sight” The spotter can wrap the missile around or over a obstruction. Much like the javelin, goes up and then hits the armor from above. I think it’s a good concept…. If that is what it is…
Mounting that rocket launcher on a tank is like mounting extra double barrel shotgun on your rifle or mounting a flamethrower on your M41A pulse rifle to fight alien queen. 😀
So, dope as fuck?
No. It's not. It's like adding laser guided, heat seaking slugs to your gun...
"10 years dungeon for you" had me dead ☠️😅
Their slap-dash approach reminds me of the VW Bug conversion kits from the '70s where you swap the body for a fiberglass dune buggy body or a Bradley.
Hey man, a dune buggy using a VW bug air cooled 4 and drivetrain is NOT 'slap dash'. done right and running a tuned and built Air cooled 1600cc flat 4 out of a late model bug? Damn thing'll run for what it is. A Manx kit with a hot rodded flat 4 in it is WAY lighter than a stock, un chopped bug Chassis and body. (Which is not exactly a heavyweight to begin with) I drove one once, it was NOT like driving my ex GF's mom's stock '68 bug with a 1200cc motor in it... like at all. It was more like driving an under powered shifter Kart. Seriously, it was a ridiculously fun little motor... didn't want to give it Back to the owner. Lol.
4:55 - In the heat of combat no one will ever consider the price of a missile vs price APFSDS round vs price of their life. Proportional use of force also goes out the door when you are angry/scared.
The advantage of Abrams tank is that they can be seen by satellite because of the intense heat they exhale. 😂
Out of all your videos i've watched, this by far the one i've gotten the most kick out of. Really really enjoyable. I laughed I cried I thought why not add some truck nuts at the back of the tank? because at some point, why not?
😂 can you imagine a pair of truck nuts on the back of a tank
A tank that has not seen combat designed by committee with an infallible leader, what could possibly go wrong?
Keep the " not seen combat" out of this .. we seen how "combat proven" Western tanks are. Nothing survive in a war specially when you come against a determined enemy with enough capabilities to fight back
@@ahmadloai2378 Except our tanks Will keep the Crew alive. Russian tanks throw the crew and turret in the air.
@@ahmadloai2378 What a bizarre rant... "combat proven" does not mean invulnerable.
@@Pesky_Anon Its just a western hating, russia cheerleading muslim/arab. None special
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14:04 got no problems with those cutouts if the surrounding is jsut a thin sheetmetal mockup^^
If you have ever played the video game "Battlefield 3", in the game you have the option to actually attach an anti-tank missile to the M1 Abrahams. I don't know if this also happens in reality or not though but, while playing, it is true that it's much easier to hit a tank from a very far distance by just "lock on, fire and forget" than it is to calculate the distance angle of a shot with a standard tank round. Especially if you are very far a way and especially if the enemy is looking at you, you will never hit it with a tank round because by the time the shell reaches the destination your enemy had time to move the tank away from it (much in the same way you're able to dodge a rock someone throws at you) and if they're a moving target then good luck because you're never gonna hit a moving target that's considerably far away with a standard tank shell. These two issues doesn't exist when you are using the self-correcting heat-seeking anti-tank missiles. It's not a coincidence they are more expensive because the added price means they have systems that guide the projectile to the target. The only real disadvantage in terms of hitting the target is if the target has countermeasures to turn the missile away from it (in the game they have this thermal smoke system that turns heat-seeking missiles away from them). EDIT: I just read that the Abrahams doesn't have that capability but previous American tanks did: "No, the M1 was never designed to fire ATGMs from its gun. That distinction belongs to different American tanks of a previous generation, namely the M60A2 Starship and M551 Sheridan.Jan 14, 2023"
From the 7 pair of wheels part this tank remember the TR-125 prototype tank based on the T-72(6 pair of wheels), but made in Romenia, taking out the turret, the chassis looks almost the same, and the fact that 5-10 tanks of the TR-125 were built.
So, it´s a modified T-72 which has been given a touch of new paint, and few other touch-up´s. For NK it´s basicly the Space age..
I like to think that the tank gunner optics are dude with a periscope passing hand drawings to the Gunner below him.
😂😂😂😂 I will now also adopt this view of their tanks
A kaleidoscope. To aim, rotate the lens till the top of the images all touch.
Could be Air Defense Missiles. Those are also on Bradleys.
When you can’t feed anyone, who are you fighting??? 🤣🤣🤣
hahaha the meme's and graphics were on point for this vid. kept me chuckling all the way through it .. great work!
Missiles on MBTs is a "common" thing for North Korea. Chonma-215, Chonma-216 and Songun-915 have all been seen mounting MANPADS (SA-7 for the -215, and SA-16 for the other two), and the -216 and -915 with Busae-3 and -5 respectively. It's not a good idea, but NK procurement seems to like how it looks.
One quick thing about the anti-armor missile vs just firing a round from the tank, what is the effective accuracy at further ranges? That is the one thing that would need to be considered, is that a few of them could be useful in longer range engagements. In no way would you want it to be the main use, but 1-3 of them per tank could easily mean softening up the enemy going into an engagement with them. I am not saying these are real, but a real world reason for putting anti-tank missiles on a tank does make sense depending on the type of combat you expect. In all honesty I am a fun of keeping things modular so you can repurpose quickly to where ever you might need to send your equipment and soldiers (and having a slot that could be used for a wide range of missiles does seem like a good idea). Then too I am keyboard general so I might be way off on this.
Peacocks use those feathers to attract a mate, they don’t scare away predators
They gotta keep Russia and China don't they? Edit: I am fairly sure that it's the males who have those feathers to attract the females.
Maybe that's the plan... If they can attract and mate with an Abrams. They might be able to breed a real modern tank. 4d chess glorious leader always one step ahead of the West
@@Mortarion-xt9wp are you, sir, implying that vladimir putin and glorious leader xi jingping are infact, femboys?
Actually the bright feathers on birds are to attract mates, not scare predators. One has to wonder what type of mate a tank is trying to attract.. 😅😅😅
The ATGM could actually be useful. Especially if it was a vertical landing system like a javelin.
That Adventure Time Meme Got You A New Subscriber ;'ZD
The NK war thunder tech tree gonna go crazy. From tier 1 ->2.3, some huge leaps were made.
@Taskandpurpose: I saw the PyeongYang military parade too, and noticed the ATGM launchers on the new M2000's. Yes, such is a good idea, and putting in systems of APCs with motar systems is also good, instead of staying in one area, be agile, mobile, and deadly. Modular design is the now and future. Hoorah!
Looks like a pretty good tank to me. Has ATGMs which even the Abrams lacks.
I did the math. According to the numbers displayed at 11:16, NK's gdp isn't "about 100 times less " than SK's gdp, it's 34.6 times less.
Is it just me, or does the video of the parade with the first reveal (39 seconds in) of this tank show that NK went in the opposite direction to the rest of the world? I'm used to seeing tanks moving through rough terrain with the gyroscopically stabilized sitting motionless while the tank seems to move around it. NK's new tanks are driving down a smooth, tarred road while the guns bounce like they're at a rave.
Seems like I wasn't the only one who saw that.
The guns are prob decorarive decoys. All the firepower is in the ATG...Do what you can with what you get...
It being a weapons testbed might explain why it has so many diffrent weapons