There's a new kid in town, and it isn't drywall-- It's TRUSSCORE, an alternative to drywall! It's stronger and lighter- but is it the right choice for you?
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00:48 Not a Paid Video
01:42 What Is It Made Of?
02:12 How Big Are The Sheets?
03:33 How Do You Install It?
05:05 How Do You Cut It?
06:47 How Tough Is It?
07:43 Fire and Sound Rating?
08:37 How Do I Patch/Repair It?
09:38 Can I Paint It?
11:23 How Much Does It Cost?
13:15 Bonus Features
16:20 Cons: Heavy Cabinets
17:19 How It Looks
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18:50 Requires Trim
19:23 Where Can I Use This?
FIRE SAFETY: We've had some great questions about fire ratings and sound rating specifics. Here's some more info on that. The gist of it is that this performs the same as 1/2" drywall. You can use it anywhere you use 1/2" drywall but, just like 1/2" drywall, it does not have a 1 hour fire rating. In the few specific locations that require that, it's suggested that you stick with 5/8"" drywall. • Fire Performance: Just like drywall, Trusscore panels have a Class A fire rating (a flame spread index of 10 and smoke developed index of 380 per ASTM E84). This rating measures how effectively the panels limit flame spread and smoke development in the event of a fire. For areas requiring walls that restrict fire spread between rooms, Trusscore must be installed over an approved fire-rated wall assembly or other approved material. • VOCs or Off Gassing: Trusscore panels are comparable to low VOC paints, they are low VOC compliant and meet the strictest standards the US has, the California Department of Public Health 01350 standard for low-emitting materials. • The Noise Reduction Coefficient (NRC) performance of Trusscore Wall&CeilingBoard is estimated to be 0.15 (i.e., 15% of sound is absorbed). 1/2" Drywall's performance is also 0.15. • The STC or Sound Transmission Class of Trusscore is 30 to 35. 1/2” Drywall's STC is 33. STC is a measurement of how much sound the material lets through.
Reminds me of Dumwall I used in our bathroom remodel.
are the fumes toxic when its burned/melted?
@@justpassinbyywas wondering that too. I know with Ethernet cabling for example, "plenum" rated Cat 6 UTP is made with either less PVC or is 100% PVC-free so that if the cable catches on fire, the fumes don't get into the plenum space and HVAC. Apparently PVC is pretty toxic when it burns.
I'm wondering if you could add fire rated paint to this in order to increase it's applications? I had that done to my converted finished attic right on spray foam and it's a much better idea than the decades old quiet board.
I'd stay away from that PVC stuff. If that ever burns you have huge volumes of toxic gas emitted.
I work at a PVC pipe manufacturing company, when PVC burns, it will release a number of harmful toxic fumes, like Hydrogen Chloride Gas, which will burn your eyes and lungs and can be fatal with high exposure. So if you have this product in your entire house to replace drywall and a fire starts, the smoke and fumes alone can kill you within less than a minute. Here in Trinidad and Tobago 🇹🇹 where I'm from most homes are made with brick and mortar, not drywall for internal walls, however, this product has become very popular in doing the ceiling, so we call it PVC ceiling, some are white or you can get textured patterns or even marble type design patterns etc. It's not illegal in Trinidad, but more importantly some insurance companies won't accept it because of it's potential hazards as stated above.
I agree 100%, putting pvc inside the house is a major concern. It outgases chlorine gas when it burns which is toxic. As a design engineer we are not allowed to put things like this in plenum spaces by code. I wouldn’t put this in my house.
You can smell plastic even normally at room temperature. That is also offgassing. I wouldn't opt for plastic inside a house.
Thank you for your valuable input. I’m just a normal person with normal knowledge in general, but I even know, plastics, PVC, or otherwise, are not a good thing to have all over the house, let along the cheap looks of it. This product just don’t provide the minimum standards of improvement over drywall.
Just like plenum rated PVC cable jackets you can easily add additives that prevent PVC from smoking or catching fire in home and commercial fires. It is simple chemistry and used in many PVC products at a nominal cost. Just because your pipe company doesn't make their product fire retardant doesn't mean other manufactures like this PVC wall panel product are making a safer product.
Is it true that when PVC degrades it puts off gasses that will cause metal to rust almost instantly? I'm an injection molding process tech and that is what is said about it. Ever have a contactor stick closed on a heater band? I've had that happen when molding acetal. That puts off gasses that are the same as tear gas. That evacuates a shop very quickly. Someone has to go over to the machine to shut the power off. Tough thing to do going over to the source of the gasses to hit the main disconnect.
For a garage, I can see using this. However, unless you're a fan of making your home look like a mobile home trailer, I just can't see using this in the interior of a home.
I came here to say this. No one likes the esthetics of paneling.
@@rhuwynJust to clarify this does not apply to wainscotting panels which definitely still has fans.
Some paneling is just fine depending on the style of the house. But this PVC stuff is just plain ugly.@@rhuwyn
If there is no way to hide the horizontal seams, yes you will feel like trailer trash in a million dollar home.
I thought the same thing about the aesthetics. Also, I imagine it offers poor sound absorption so it'll make for an acoustically unpleasant space.
If you've ever looked at vinyl siding and thought "Man, I'd love to put that *inside* my home", this product is for you!
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That means cooking and heating registers will have to be outside, and smoking will have to be done as well outside..lol!
Drywall has a feature that this PVC wall does not. As an Ex-Fire Marshall, I'll tell you right up front, it won't stop or slow the spread of fire and is far more likely to feed the fire, endangering Firefighters and occupants everywhere it is used. Not to mention that PVC is a primary source of noxious fumes when it burns. It increases the likelihood of Firefighters and occupants getting poisoned by the emanating fumes. It's a serious deficit that should cause it to be banned from primary living spaces. It's a cheap cop out. It's used in China and it doesn't stand up well. It doesn't weather well, and it doesn't last. It's an unsafe junk product. I am also a Certified Quality Assurance Auditor for over 35 years.
@@jp-ty1vd If it burns... You'll care. But, It's your choice.
I meant that I would not finish my garage, leave the framing show, "who the fk cares".
@@jp-ty1vd OK, Got ya. That I get. 🙂
@@jp-ty1vd And why, if the guy already has the garage walls covered with wafer board, would he put this stuff over it?
@@jammin3858 I had to look up "wafer board" (: I don't know, maybe he's shilling for the manufacturer?
Basically siding for indoors.
Exactly. This video should have been 30 second long.
Installs just like vinyl siding 😂
It's worse, overpriced plastic.....
That's exactly what I thought as soon as he said J channel 😂😭
This is all about companies making bigger profits, It has nothing to do with a better product or finish.
My biggest issue with this is that if it were to catch on fire, the amount of poisonous gasses and thick dark smoke it would produce would be tremendous rendering escape more difficult. I could be wrong, but that was one of my first thoughts.
My first thought was "trailer park skirting".
I can't imagine your wrong. This is vinyl siding for the inside of your home.
That was my first thought, too. Is this stuff really acceptable for interior spaces? Seems dangerous. Does code allow it?
It will give of highly toxic phosgene gas, and other poisonous gases. If PVC Smurf tube is banned in commercial buildings (it is), there is no way that crap would ever be allowed.
@@kwilliams2239Maybe for home owner home improvement, but it would NEVER EVER be allowed in any commercial building with an occupancy rating above 9 people. Drywall is actually doubled up for fire rated firewalls and is rated for 30,60,90,120,360 minutes of exposure to open flame. This PVC stuff supports an open flame, and it gives of tons of poisonous gases when it burns. There is no F'ing way I'd ever put that sh**ty crap in between my living space and my garage!!!
"That would look great in my living room" said no one, ever.
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I'm all for new materials But I wouldn't choose PVC. Drywall has a Fire Rating and PVC when hot enough will melt and catch fire, but the Fumes are what will Kill you First. Get a sample piece of this new material and a sample of 1/2" drywall and hold a Torch to both "Outdoors" You can't just Paint a slick Surface like PVC without Roughing it up first with sandpaper.
Oh look, what a surprise, here's what this fake conversation was leading to@@albacus2400BC
Not sure your pitcher is a pro at 70mph. 🤫
I looked at some of these comments and haven't seen anyone asking about VOCs. Volatile organic compounds (VOCs) are emitted as gases from certain solids or liquids, some of which may have short- and long-term adverse health effects. How much off-gassing takes place? What did the room smell like after installation? This may be okay in a garage, but I wouldn't want it in a room where people spend a lot of time. Volatile organic compounds in polyvinyl chloride (PVC) plastic products readily evaporate; as a result, hazardous gases enter the ecosystem, and cause cancer in humans and other animals. Something to consider.
Very important issue. Too much plastic material are used in our homes! Good old fashioned solid wood is the best for environmental concerns.
Yes, you correctly identify VOCs as a real issue with PVC. You named the issue that others did not. I covered off-gassing but did not name VOCs. Others talked about smells emitted from Vinyl Siding as an example. So we are glad you raised this issue in a more technical manner. Thanks
www.nj.gov/humanservices/opmrdd/health/pvc.html#:~:text=PVC%20contains%20dangerous%20chemical%20additives,posing%20unnecessary%20dangers%20to%20children.
@@SgtJackRose I like how you think, give it time and you wont' have much to cover, even more so if you let the wood working bug 'get you'. Just kidding of course.
If a house burns down with this stuff in it, those clouds of smoke will be very toxic! Black clouds of death down wind..
I put some PVC panels in the bathroom because they're waterproof. The problem is, they become literal electro magnets for dirt.
I did the same. I did the tub/shower area about ten years ago. It yellowed.
@@kewrock tried the hydrogen peroxide with uv light method of de yellowing plastic?
Good to know!
This right here 👍
Really? Maybe you live in an area with extraordinarily low humidity. I installed some and have been very, very happy.
First thing I noticed was holy crap your entire garage has plywood over the studs already?
PVC has a huge coefficient of expansion compared to drywall. Where uneven heating occurs, I wonder if buckling will be an issue. Another thing we do'nt need is more plastic in the landfill.
Seems dangerous. We cant even use pvc pipe in certain HVAC installs because of the offgassing if it burns
And everything else in the house is ok if it burns😂
Absolutely. The stuff is lethal. That would fill the house with toxins in the event of a fire.
I was thinking that, the poor flame resistance, and the fact that it's PLASTIC. Recyclable or not, I don't like the idea of using plastic in my house. What if something happens and my house has to be torn down? Will the wreckers KNOW it's recyclable, or even what it is? There's a high chance that, whether I'm alive or not, when it is taken from the house through either wrecking, remodeling, or whatever, it'll end up in a landfill. Yes, that's where drywall ends up and drywall isn't recyclable, but drywall has worked for 65 years and we already have facilities in place to make it. Which brings up another point I thought of. Start-up for any business is so high now, and the market is already flooded with drywall, I doubt this will get off the ground more than it already has.
@@zackmarkham4240 You are speaking trueness, I think. It's stupid.
@@woozy607 It's what happens when it is heated. The gasses from it may mean you can't even escape in a fire that you would normally escape. It's the reason why certain materials are banned for use on ships.
Yeah, finally: More plastic. And "PVC is recyclable" - maybe, in theory. But ultimately, it will end in a landfill or will be burned, releasing cancerogenic gases. There is a better alternative to drywall: Clay sheets. Made from clay with fibreglass net reinforcement. Clay can be recycled endlessly, even at home. And, due to its ability to control moisture, makes a fantastic inside climate.
I appreciate your comment and know that the petroleum industry has doubled down on maintaining its sales
85% of what you put into your recycle bin end up in landfill. Recycling is a scam.
Well the petroleum used to make the PVC came from under the ground so it's just returning to where it came from.
@@MAGAMANMay be true for the US
@@stephenshelton4267 Poly Vinal Chloride is one of the most toxic plastics in all stages of it's life cycle. Part of why PEX is used for water pipes now and PVC is only used for stuff like sewage and electrical conduits these days.
Soooooo its basically siding.
It's all about what standards it meets and what it's rated for.
The Grenfell Tower block fire in 2017 showed what plastic walls do to a building. The tower had the "safer" PE as opposed to PVC (which releases toxic fumes), but it helped the fire spread quickly. 72 died.
@user-uk8tl3xy9e Yep, and it was still dangerous.
Not safe for internal walls. The toxic off gasing during a fire will take any breathing thing out quickly in a confined space. I'd never place that inside a living structure. Drywall does have some fire resistance.
There is also Type X sheetrock with additional fire resistance.
Why does everyone talk about the toxic gasses in a fire? Does anyone worry about all the other items in your home burning? Nearly everything is going to asphyxiate you in a fire. That's why you need to have working fire/smoke alarms and when they go off, get OUT of the HOUSE!
Yes, I said something similar. I think most foam, comfortable furniture, beds, etc., are a far greater source of toxic and easy to burn materials. Still would rather have sheet rock as it gives you more time against the fire and it is safer.@@rickcollins1825
@@fishy2939: Exactly 💯
Drywall not only offers some fire resistance, it also offers a much lower (orders of magnitude lower) fire-load than PVC. What a nightmare emvironmental hazard this would become if PVC paneling became the goto product for ilining the interior walls of homes. Things are already bad enough given how many homes are covered in vinyl siding a/k/a toxic synthetic plastics :'( PVC wall paneling is a huge step, in the wrong direction :'(
Literally from their website: *Trusscore Wall&Ceiling Board does not meet the requirements for fire resistance if a fire-rated wall assembly is specified by code.* To meet code requirements, Trusscore Wall&CeilingBoard must be installed on top of an approved a fire-rated wall or ceiling assembly. Here are a couple of examples of fire-rated wall assemblies commonly used in building construction and their components: Fire-Rated Garage Separation Wall: Fire-rated assembly using 5/8-inch Type X gypsum board designed to separate a residential garage from a living space.
Yeah, I wondered about this when it’s being installed over OSB. How is it better when there’s two layers of materials instead of just one?
Type X or C drywall is by no means 100-percent fireproof. Simply it is drywall that will stand up against flame longer than regular drywall. Also, just because an area is covered in Type X or C drywall does not ensure fire safety for that area, since fire can still find other pathways, such as vents, doors, gaps, cracks, and unblocked stud wall assemblies. If a conventional 1/2-inch thick sheet of drywall will stand up to 30 minutes of fire, then the added 1/8-inch found in the Type X or C drywall, along with its other properties, will double your margin of safety to 60 minutes. For this reason, fire-rated drywall is sometimes called one-hour fire wallboard.
1/2 drywall will give you 30 minutes. There’s no way trusscore even provides a few minutes under the same conditions. 1/2 drywall is an incredible way to slow fire spread. 30 minutes may not seem like much, but this is typically long enough to stay alive and get help (rescue or put the fire out) which is why fire departments around the country emphasize keeping the door shut when sleeping… it’s the most important thing you do in VEIS (vent, enter, ISOLATE - meaning shut the door and turn the room into a survivable space, search) which is one of the many tactics a fire department will use to save people.
kzhead.info/sun/lbeJYJd6fGlqink/bejne.htmlsi=n99eIpzcDjiUX0M6 This doesn’t work with a trusscore wall. Insinuating they are the same is really dangerous.
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I had something similar to that in the home I purchased recently. Ripped it out and replaced with driwall. There were several reasons for this. Having seen the results after several buildings using it had been burned out and speaking to the firemen, they mentioned the extra heat over a normal fire as well as the toxic fumes. That however was not my major reasons for removing it - they were insulation related and appearance. This does not noise dampen as well as drywall. The rooms also appeared to have higher moisture content, so I am guessing it does not breathe well. The dehumidifier was taking out more than double the moisture before replacement. It also does not look as nice painted as drywall.
This is basically a retread of Trusscore's marketing materials, as other commenters have said, PVC is a pretty dangerous material to work with and some insurance companies won't cover you if you have it installed as wall cladding. No attempt to test sound dampening or fire resistance, for example.
IT will KILL you in SECONDS in a fire, due to toxic smoke.
Who cares
@@bobbybanks77 pvc when it burns is literal war grade gas SUPER toxic
@@bobbybanks77 you obviously
Whenever a man advertising for a company (Trusscore) tells you they aren't making anything from this, they are lying, it doesn't mean the product is crap, it just means they are trying to marginally improve sales than they otherwise would be if they were honest about their motives.
Your presentation was spot on. If you wore a nice suit and sold used cars, I would buy one in a heartbeat. The best part of your video was your recommendations concerning the best way to cut TRUSSCORE. I'm sure many DIYers didn't know to mount the saw blade backwards and use a blade with many TPI. Remind your viewers to remount the saw blade facing forward before cutting wood.
Imagine having pvc floors, walls and ceilings with air foam insulation and they all offgass voc into your airtight energy efficient home. They're literally trying to kill you.
VOC is so low in general you could sleep in a coffin of it and not be harmed.
@@SophiaAphrodite Even with all the cut (dusty and melted) ends everywhere ? Like when you lay a carpet.. probably not a bad idea to vent for a while until it gets down to that "VOC is so low" period. Yes, I know that drywall install leaves a tremendous mess.. worse than this stuff no doubt. lol
Trusscore is in compliance with low VOC standards. After much research, I used Trusscore to construct a 40x20x10 clean room for a medical product manufacturer, and not a single whiff of plastic. The stuff is good, but it definitely has limitations on where its best used (especially in a residence).
@@photog1529 These panels meet the California Department of Public Health 01350 standard for low-emitting materials. This compliance ensures better indoor environmental quality and healthier indoor spaces.
yaaaaa, I don't know about that. lol. @@SophiaAphrodite
Can you imagine the vapors in there during a hot 100+ degree day? All that pvc warming up...
Literally from their website: Trusscore Wall&Ceiling Board does not meet the requirements for fire resistance if a fire-rated wall assembly is specified by code. To meet code requirements, Trusscore Wall&CeilingBoard must be installed on top of an approved a fire-rated wall or ceiling assembly. Here are a couple of examples of fire-rated wall assemblies commonly used in building construction and their components: Fire-Rated Garage Separation Wall: Fire-rated assembly using 5/8-inch Type X gypsum board designed to separate a residential garage from a living space.
@@basillah7650 And that just upped the price right there again... good product for limited utility application use in an open air environment... like garages and car wash, laundry room...
@@basillah7650 yes but i would bet that is because the code specifies materials rather than just ratings
Not surprising since PVC is one of the most polluting substance to manufacture. I won't even buy PVC shower curtains.
@@beartankoperator7950 I don't know the USian system (or, more likely, 50 systems, 1 per sub-country ; if not 1 per municipality), but on this side of the world, "codes" are more often "goal-setting" rather than "(material) prescriptive". If the properties are such that fume generation, flame transmission, etc are adequately low, you should get approval. But it'll take some test cases first. Which I'm sure TrussCore Inc are working on. One issue I have is that the results will probably be very different for the material oriented vertically versus horizontally. But that'll be for them to address in seeking national (or pan-European) approvals.
I would use this in a casual basement and any garage for sure. The panel look is a factor for me, as I assume it is for a lot of people.
Can't easily be cut and shaped like drywall. Holes cut into it (e.g. for electrical receptacles) can't easily be patched like drywall. It's PVC, so when it burns it'll produce toxic smoke, unlike drywall. Yeah, nah, this isn't a "drywall killer". It's just vinyl siding for use indoors, and who wants that?
you have to put up particle board first which is wood lol this defeats the purpose of less work..... failed product
it can easily be patched with a plastic sheet and pvc glue
I think that by "drywall killer" he means that in a fire, PVC drywall will kill you.
PVC isn't legal where i live for construction use like this, because of fire risk (toxic fumes), I am also concerned about sound insulation of such a light product.
I can vouch the sound insulation is pretty good. Legality depends on your region
It's probably not "just PVC". Maybe just need to check codes and provide it's fire certification documentation??
Is it more or less sound proof? Curious for studio applications
@@user-gt2yf5tr8j what did you use to measure this? because physics disagrees with you. taking away mass will NEVER result in better sound insulation or isolation. they only way to legitimately sound proof a room is by adding mass.
Seems like a bad idea for many reasons, everything is plastic anymore and not good for us.
Fixing holes with caulk? Imagine what it will look like after 10 or 20 years -- holes visibly filled with caulk everywhere. Drywall can be patched with plaster and the hole is gone forever. Not to mention the other concerns people have already mentioned about off-gassing during fires, or even just off-gassing in general. I don't see this catching on.
pvc has a fairly low melting point so it will readily melt in a fire. Of more concern is that it will also combust (burn). The problem is with PVC is that it contains chlorine and as such when it burns it releases a range of toxic substances including hydrochloric acid and dioxins/furans and other organochlorides.
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Another thing is it starts with P. You may have issues when trying to look this up.
It being an engineer substance i would hope that they design a fire resistant version in the future. This might be of use in cement buildings with very high innate fire resistance - provided nothing flammable is used in the halls to prevent travel.
I do wonder if it has an hour or fire resistance that you would get using a 15mm fire-check board. (Which are very heavy!) I'm sure that these panels are probably UPvC which has been used in window frames for years, and is A) hard to light on fire B) usually self extinguishing when source of fire removed. So doesn't really spread fire. There are full scale fire tests done at BRe Cardington, and the upvc windows softened and the glass fell out! But they really didn't burn much at all. So these panels could actually be quite good in fire. It does look pretty good, at least until you scratch it.
@@CorporateZombi it has zero fire resistance
The whole purpose for drywall, and previously lath and plaster, is for fire protection. The asthetics wrought by its surface are actually secondary to its primary purpose. Even 1/2" DW provided significant fire protection and is very resistant to fire breakthrough. This is also the reason we use 5/8" Type X DW on the ceiling, because the flame jet is significantly more intense above than from the sides. PVC, as another commenter stated previously, has a low melting point and thus, and low flame point once vaporize. It must be remembered that, all things being equal, the typical modern furnished room, once lit, will progress to flashover in about 5 minutes. Flashover is when all combustible materials will ignited simultaneously, and the heat generated will be in the 1500F range. I cannot see this stuff meeting code specs at all and I would tend to advocate against its use, other than perhaps for exterior siding.
I pinned a comment with more info but Trusscore Wall & Ceiling Board has a "Class A" fire rating with a flame spread index of 10 and smoke developed index of 380 per ASTM E84. It's definitely not intended to replace Type-X or 5/8" drywall but is comparable to 1/2" drywall when it comes to both fire rating and sound transmission. It's always a good idea to double check everything you hear (including what I say) but I had a tough time finding any fire rating info for 1/2" drywall. The info I have comes from Trusscore itself.
100% seems like a horrible idea for anyone but the manufacturer.
1/2" type x has a 30min fire rating and 5/8 has a 1hr fire rating.
@@LRN2DIY Does not meet the requirements for fire resistance. "Trusscore Wall&CeilingBoard does not meet the requirements for fire resistance if a fire-rated wall assembly is specified by code. To meet code requirements, Trusscore Wall&CeilingBoard must be installed on top of an approved a fire-rated wall or ceiling assembly." No one tries to sell anything without compensation. Nice try though. Sure it lasts supposedly 100 yrs but it is also expensive upfront and worse yet, "If you still want to mount or fasten items directly to Trusscore Wall&CeilingBoard, keep this advice in mind: When hanging an item directly on a Trusscore Wall&CeilingBoard panel, items should never be directly fastened without back support." An alternative? Perhaps. Drywall replacement? No. Oh, btw, "PVC is useless without the addition of many toxic additives, which can make the PVC product itself harmful to consumers. These chemicals can evaporate or leach out of PVC, posing health risks to children and consumers (off-gassing). The new car or shower curtain smell is that of chemicals off-gassing from the PVC." "PVC is the most environmentally damaging plastic. The PVC lifecycle -- its production, use, and disposal -- results in the release of toxic, chlorine-based chemicals" Oh and, "THE MANUFACTURER IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR PROBLEMS RELATED TO EXPANSION DUE TO. TEMPERATURE FLUCTUATIONS. IF WIDE TEMPERATURE FLUCTUATIONS EXIST". Some of us are aware that plastics can change shape with temperature changes. Cool product though..
I worry about the gasses PVC gives off in fire. Drywall, being mostly gypsum which can give off small amounts of sulferous compounds, but is largely inert. in ordinary fires. PVC gives off significant amounts of chlorinate gasses. Mostly Hydrochloric acid in gaseous form which is VERY nasty stuff, as it becomes a very strong acid in your tissues and in any water around. FWIW HCL will extinguish a nearby fire ... but the heat is still there and ore HCl will be released until things cool off and it won't help if a fire is getting fuel and oxygen from somewhere else.
It's interior vinyl siding. Ironically, it looks cheap but is among the more expensive options. I'd only use vinyl in an area where water was regularly going to be splashing on the walls, and heat was going to be nowhere near the walls - including sun coming through windows!!! I've seen so much vinyl siding damage from stupid stuff like a BBQ or pool reflecting onto the siding and melting it. If you want a non-drywall wall covering, pine shiplap is a fantastic choice and you can usually pick it up at your local BORG.
like an indoor pool
I love that with a bit of effort, and very little material cost, I can make a small or large hole in drywall virtually disappear. I can do exploratory cuts/holes or make mistakes and not have to worry about the cost of undoing the damage. Can't say the same thing about Trusscore.
"I'm not getting any money from the company" They just send me enough to do my garage for free.
Just $4000 dollars worth of material
@@cohenbeach8874 you can smell the petrochemical ceo's licking their chops at his 800 thousand plus followers
I got to read a few comments and so I won't waste my time and watch the rest of the videos. What a scammer lol.
Yeah, I caught that too. Any review done by someone who gets free stuff is totally invalid. The only valid review is done by someone who has to do the research, purchase the product on their own, anonymously to the manufacturer to ensure they are not be provided with product that was binned to be selected high quality product from the production run, and paid for it all with their own money. This review is BS because it was bought and paid for by the manufacturer.
@@jamesclaeys3192 Good luck with that, seems like 90 percent of youtubers weasel in some product placement constantly. Now they are basically just big long commercials. They are supposed to disclose it but rarely do.
I can't believe that I willingly agreed to watch a 20 minute advertisement.
I got about 30 seconds in before I realised, then read the comments... seriously this guy's channel is a joke
I only made it about 2 minutes, after he said he didn't get paid or anything for this video and then 30 seconds later he says how they were "kind enough" to send him enough material to do his whole garage.
Just watch 30 seconds and stop.
I didn't even make 30 seconds
I was a minute in and saw your red flag. Thank you.
I would worry about toxicity, especially should it burn. Love your videos; always learn something. Thank you.
First, I get the fire danger comments from other subscribers. Having said that, i can see this as being a nice wall treatment for a finished garage - looks fantastic for that application. The anti-mildew property along with the ability to hose it down for cleaning is great. Also the reflective light increase when backing a vehicle into the garage would be great - lots of visibility and of course a generally brighter workspace. Have done a lot of drywall as a home owner and I can make it look pretty good, but a lot of dust and such, not to mention the weight. This product would probably give the DIY crowd a higher sense of pride of the finished look - just my opinion.
1:49 No, PVC is not recyclable. Almost no plastics are recyclable. Of the six major plastic categories (there are thousands of variations, which contributes to the recycling problem) only PETE (type 1) and HDPE (type 2) are even remotely recyclable. Most of type 1 and 2 and almost all of the other types just end up being incinerated. The types, for those curious: 1 polyethylene terephthalate (PETE) - commonly known as polyester 2 high density polyethylene (HDPE) - most single use plastic bags are made of this, it is kind of crinkly 3 polyvinyl chloride (PVC) - AKA vinyl, used a lot in construction (pipes, siding, flooring) and of course records 4 low density polyethylene (LDPE) - used a lot in packaging, it feels "softer" and more flexible than its high density counterpart (compare a shopping bag to a bread bag) 5 polypropylene (PP) - typically strong and has higher chemical resistance, most pill bottles will be made of this 6 polystyrene (PS) - when foamed it is styrofoam, also used a lot in unfoamed form for things like single serving sized pudding or yogurt cups (it molds well) 7 "wait I thought you said six" - some combination of the previous six, completely unrecyclable
Milk jugs and washing detergent bottles are made of HDPE, thin plastic bags are usually made of pe
All plastic is recyclable. It.can be recycled back to oil by thermal depolymerization. So-called recycling that is actually reusing plastic simply doesn't work.
PVC (polyvinyl chloride) is recyclable, but its recycling process is more complex compared to other plastics like PET or HDPE. PVC recycling involves several steps to ensure that the material is processed safely, as it contains chlorine and potentially hazardous additives. The recyclability of PVC also depends on the presence of recycling facilities equipped to handle it, as not all recycling centers accept PVC due to these complexities.
@@jamestyrer907 does thermal depolymerization work for thermoset plastics like epoxy?
@@jamestyrer907 Not back to oil, exactly, but to a variety of hydrocarbons of different molecular weights. It is also a very energy intensive process. So you end up spending a lot of effort sorting plastics, then a lot of energy depolymerizing them, and then have to do a lot of processing to get anything useful out of the resulting mix of liquids and gases. As far as I know, no one is doing it at scale because the cost - dollars and carbon emissions - is too high. PVC is particularly difficult to work with because depolymerization of it creates highly corrosive hydrogen chloride.
Finally, a material that lets even MORE sound through. Hopefully my next apartment will be made of this so my neighbors can hear me better.
Great product. I was always wondering how to get the walls in my house to look like a double-wide trailer.
by double-wide trailer you mean a super high-end finish only the ultra elites can ever dream of?
@@jcschwarb Nope, I believe he means "Looks like a bleached dog turd."
@@jcschwarb No, more like smeared and bleached dog turd
I’ve seen it in a lot of garages on farms. A similar product in a university labs. I love that we’re experimenting. Bugs probably love it too. I’m excited about a gypsum/paper replacement. I’m not sure this is it. I honestly believe instead of lighter and cheaper we should stay focused on pre fab and use the exo-suits + more droids/drones/robots to aid in the heavier more dangerous applications with the materials we have. Cool product, awesome video 👍🏻
PVC may be considered "tough" when it's new, but UV radiation in sunlight degrades the strain rate sensitivity (impact resistance) a lot. Just look at any PVC fence after a few years. So install it where it won't get sunlight.
disingenuous to start with blanket statement that this is not a sponsored video.. only to show sponsor provided $4k worth of material for your garage. Come on now, have a little bit more integrity if you are trying to earn viewer trust.
I don't trust him anymore. Unsubscribed.
@@samc1056A 20 minute commercial. And…AND…he throws like a girl (his words).
Dumb damn comment. Are you dishonest because you receive something free? You're either not an honest person, or you are. I have ZERO issues with his disclaimer.
What a bunch of ❄️ ‘s
@@tray4666 normal, mentally healthy people do not condone lies. It has nothing to do with being a "snowflake". The irony though, is that people who call others snowflakes are the biggest snowflakes. They cry about far more things than anyone they call a snowflake and get triggered by the slightest little thing. Not to mention that they live their entire life in constant fear of everything they're told to be afraid of because they lack critical thinking. Imagine wanting someone to get away with blatantly lying. I hope you get conned by all the lying conmen you pointlessly defend. You're not even getting paid by them to be an idiot, how embarrassing.
PVC oxidizes and over time, those panels will yellow and become brittle. The UV protectant they put in the PVC off gasses as it oxidizes and breaks down which accelerates the breakdown. If there is any natural light where this is installed, it will yellow and become roughly textured. You would absolutely need to paint it to allow for a long useful life span.
Probably why they only offer white and light grey options. It's almost like surfaces generally need protectant for long term usage.
so if you paint it does that change the coloring over time? He did say they used an exterior paint which should give it more protection
@@rangerrick2246 vinyl is hard to paint
@@sfuchs oh no how scary let's just leave everything to the trained professionals Why is everything expensive now?
@@rangerrick2246no if you paint the material, it will prevent the oxidation if the coating blocks the uv light. most thick coatings of paint will do that.vinyl that is painted can't exactly spend time outside or it'll warp from the sun and heat. the paint does however also change over time it often gets darker if it's light or lighter if it's dark.
there is a similar product in the uk, which was designed to replaced bathroom tiles, which my parents installed and passable as a poor product tbh. After 2 months the door hand made a hole in the stuff and it feels quite flimsy. honestly wouldn't touch the stuff, yours looks thicker and better made but still would go with drywall/plasterboard, as its easy to repair and i do not have to remove all the panels above to fix a bigger hole
They’re not paying me a commission for this video, but they ARE sending me whatever I need to make a video and talk about it. semantics *COME. ON. MAN.*
Absolutely - this is the cess-pit side of youtube, it really is
I called a trusscore installer about this product for my carport. He told me the cost would be huge and not to bother. Perhaps this is because he would do the install rather than going DIY. I still worry about this product in the house (looks, melting in a fire ect. ) but cool to see new innovations out there.
Where I live, pvc panels are used by some for interior ceilings, but insurance companies won't insure you because of its fire risks and toxic smoke (during) and residue risks after a fire.
I was just saying exactly the same thing, in Trinidad and Tobago 🇹🇹 it's PVC ceiling and insurance won't accept it.
Class A for fire spread and a smoke index of 380. It can't be used solely if a room requires fire resistance by code, still has to be put over type X drywall for certain applications to meet fire code
Class A is the same as drywall. And the firecode for interior walls for smoke index is anything under 450, here at least.
@rdizzy1 so, basically it can be used anywhere code doesn't call for a fire resistant barrier like garage to living space wall, again....depending where you're at
@@steeeeve86 Yeah, but I can't find any specs that show it being any worse than sheetrock drywall. (In terms of regulations.) They use nothing but painted drywall in my walls in my apartment.
Funny as well how most states' fire codes consider the garage to have lower requirements despite most homes having the garage attached to them. This should only be used in a structure that is separate from the house.
I work for a large drywall company, I do not see this replacing any drywall we use at all. no 5/8" and PVC off gassing as well as flammability, I know you say same as 1/2" but the smoke and gasses PVC produces as it burns is nothing like drywall.
Hmmmm re: fire dangers... PVC smoke is one of the primary killers in house fires. For that reason alone I'd not use it in the house, but yep for the garage, workshop, or shed, the panels plus slatwall combo seems to be almost ideal.
PVC should not be inside your house in large quantities. "One of the most common toxic additives is Di(2-ethylhexyl) phthalate (DEHP), a phthalate that is a suspected carcinogen and reproductive toxicant readily found in numerous PVC products."
and what of chlorine gas?
I just asked about this and saw your comment, so I edited my comment. Do these chemicals off-gas normally or is that something you'd only have to worry about in a fire?
It's an Ad hidden in the form of a project. He gets free stuff, they get an Ad.
One hand washes the other...
Thank you, 21 minutes saved!
The only good thing about the channel is how impressively good he is at making me click on his videos - they are like clickbait v2.0 - the titles don't SOUND really obviously clickbaity and the subject interests me and so I often click before remembering this guy is a joke. I wish it were possible to block channels on youtube.
Yep, this is becoming more and more common on youtube. Advertisment-as-content. Gross.
Did you watch it? I think he addressed this concern quite thoroughly.
When I heard PVC, I thought that the man is insane! PVC is a type of plastic that is far from being ecological, while drywall is absolutrely ecological.Drywall absorbs moisture imagine what it's going to be in a aplastic room. PVC will burst in flames once exposed on fire, the drywall will not. Imagine the whole room in flames within minutes, do you still think PVC is a good choice? I'd rather not use PVC.
Drywall has to remain dry. The advantage of pvc under a large veranda is the resistance to moisture. Drywall can fail on ceilings where there is even minor persistent moisture. Verandah lining can get moisture forming on top of the sheet. So moisture from inside due to condensation, where the upper surface of the drywall isn't protected by paint.
They put something like this on the façade of an apartment building in Spain...and a small fire turned the entire façade and then the building into an inferno. 12 people were killed and the building was made of concrete.
The fire happened in Valencia Spain on February 23. According to an article by the The Guardian, "Final death toll from Spanish tower block blaze is nine, say police", Esther Puchades, an industrial engineer who once inspected the building, said the fire had spread so rapidly because the block, which was completed in 2009, was covered with highly combustible polyurethane cladding. When the material is heated, “it is like plastic and it ignites”, she said. She said the fire was the first of its type in Spain but that others involving the material have been similarly destructive in the UK and China... ...The tragedy recalled the 2017 fire at the 24-storey Grenfell Tower in London, which killed 72 people after it spread rapidly because of highly combustible cladding on the block’s exterior walls. A public inquiry has yet to publish its final report.
😢 So sad! That was my first thought, that this might be quite flammable.
Yikes...it must have been PVC like this stuff.
@@brian_castro The material on that building is not the same at all. The cladding on that tower and in spain as well were polyurethane coating, PVC is not polyurethane. And even polyurethane can be made to be fire resistant (you add other ingredients into it). Some firestops are made of polyurethane for instance, even in nuclear reactor buildings, because they can be made very fire resistant.
@@brian_castro WHAT ? AFTER Grenfell Tower !!
“I have ‘basically’ nothing to gain from this and I’m not getting paid” … “Btw, They gave me enough of this material to redo my entire garage” Now I’m not suggesting you’re a bad person for taking their gifts, just maybe tone it down with the “I gain nothing from this”, because it seems an incentive was definitely there.
Great video to introduce this product. I've never heard of it before. I think the antimicrobial, durability and waterproof features makes it very good in a utility-based location like a garage. But it's just not going to replace drywall inside my house.
I will use this to "drywall" my garage. I life the durability of it. Would be super useful in a bathroom. One thing not mentioned is mixing in some drywall for the top of walls and using the trusscore as a kind of wainscoting. The would work well in mudrooms, dining rooms and kitchens. Kids rooms could really benefit from this too. Lots of different ideas. This was not around when I was in general contracting.
I was sold until you came to the price. $4k for a 20'x20' room?! Insane. Drywall is here to stay. Not to mention the toxic smoke others have pointed out.
Add to that cost the price of covering every wall with plywood that is the backing for this product. The costs will be astronomical.
the price is no problem when every customer does a youtube ad that is 20 minutes! ;)
4K? Wtf? I didn't watch the whole video but thought about installing these in my detached garage because it's old and has some moisture issues but 4k it's just too much.
Drywall=$10 for a 4'×8' lol
I was thinking the same until I looked up what's available. HomeDepot is selling it for $322 for a box of 8. Cool. Then I noticed that the panels are only 16" wide, not 48". So that box covers the same as 2.6 sheets of sheet rock that sells for ~$11/sheet. So that comes to $120 for same 4x8 coverage . While the ease of installation is a good thing, Order of magnitue in price? Nope.
Ive seen this product used for ceilings but there are some drawbacks. Drywall is an excellent sound and temperature insulator. It can deal with condensation and is excellent in fires. But best of all it's not polluting your home with toxic chemicals. Unfortunately all the good attributed of drywall cant be demonstrated by putting PVC panels all through your home. If you enjoy the feeing of living in a caravan or worksight shed. Go for it.
plus it is more plastic, PVC just nasty poison.. more plastics are not needed.. how about cellulose? PVC is poison
These are already more than enough reasons to keep using drywal. How about having to use specific types of paint for these panels ? And how to have a large seamless area with so many panels ? I think this will be a fluke.....
100% this! 1. Terrible insulation factor 2. No way it has the same 1hr fire rating as drywall. 3. No way it'll pass code for installation between shared walls. 4. Not good sound barrier. Even IF it's for garages only...never as good or safe as drywall! Fluke indeed! *Notice all the plywood you'll need to install this as well?*
@@Allbbrzhow do you do ceilings?
Had not thought of off gassing. Your comment made me laugh though. "If you want to live in a shed, go for it" Hahahaha
I used a very similar product for a bathroom ceiling about 15 years ago for a client, there will be some sniggers I understand that but it looked a million bucks I was happy and so was the client, never had to paint it very low maintenance, in small area's you don't have the corner or cover strips to ruin the otherwise smooth look.
in 2018, I helped a friend re-do all his walls after he thought it would be great in 2012 to completely seal all the interior walls and ceiling with some fire-rated plastic/composite panels. The end result was moisture becoming trapped between the panels and studs/joists/insulation and not being able to move, causing a lot of mold to form. His dog got sick and was put outside and it got better. His kid then wife got sick because they spend the most time home. They had some specialist come out to figure out if something was going on and they got told that there was mold everywhere, especially more nearing the bathroom from the high moisture.
Interesting product. You'd have to be careful with heat. PVC deforms easily once it gets hot. You'd need to tile over the panels where heat is a factor. You'd likely need some kind of silcone adhesive to attach tiles. It could be a good lining for bathrooms but the cost of that much silicone adhesive might be prohibitive.
I can purchase 5/8" 4' x 10' fire resistant drywall sheets for $19 each. A 20' x 20' garage would use 20 sheets, side by side for all four sides (no door). Your material cost would be $380.00. You would still need mud, tape, and screws. Even with all the other materials that is a long way from $4000. My drywall finishing skills are bad, but its a garage, they will suffice.
I like how he glosses right over fire rating
he says it's the same as drywall.... not something I think has much testing.
Class A for fire spread and a smoke index of 380. It can't be used solely if a room requires fire resistance by code, still has to ne put over type X drywall for certain applications to meet fire code
Walls would also have to be damn straight as every in or out would show with the panel lines. No thanks in my book.@@steeeeve86
I like how he's not being pay'd, yet he's advertising. lol
@fishy2939 oh I'm totally in agreement with you. I just was quoting the guy.
First off, fire safety was passed over real fast in the video and this comment, which is the MOST important part when discussing this is a GYPSUM REPLACEMENT! The Trusscore website even says it cannot be used to replace gypsum for a fire rated assembly! They even reference to use gypsum to create a fire rated assembly! Second, flame spread and smoke development indexes are used to dictate INTERIOR finish thresholds, not fire resistance. Meaning is it allowed to be used use IN A SPECIFIC OCCUPANCY. Third, the Class A references a threshold for flame spread and smoke development indexes, NOT FIRE RATING. There are three classes. Fourth, the actual tests referenced on the website, page 7, ONLY shows the product meets ASTM requirements but is NOT certified by the testing agency. This product may be approved in municipalities with handshake permits but will not be approved for major cities with strict fire protection like Chicago, nor architects or contractors not wanting to be sued in the future. Everything else about the video is fine and informative. I am only hung up on the fire safety information because it is key information in the AEC industry.
Hopefully this will help someone. We did our whole 10,000 sqft factory in this material... Its looks great and was relatively easy to install. But... the issue we found was puncture wounds. If you poke it with something blunt, it will rip right through it like paper. its strong if you slap it with your hand, it won't damage it at all, but a puncture between that v shape core slices through like butter. And patching it spackle will look horrible. And you might think you can just replace one... well you can if its not in the middle. Well you still can, you'll just have to take all the panels off that lead to the damaged panel. For us that was a lot harder when one continuous wall is 100'. Just a heads up. Otherwise its a smooth looking product. Especially if you are going for the "cleanroom" look like we were.
The title "It's been a good run, drywall" is a premature statement or click & bait attempt. After seeing your video, I'm not sure if this product has more pros than cons and there are several attributes & variables that seem misleading. One of the ones that stuck out the most is "Fire rating". With what little I know, PVC (Polyvinyl Chloride) is certainly more flammable than Drywall (Pressed Gypsum), unless chemical additives are introduced to improve on the fire retardant properties. PVC also contains dangerous chemical additives including phthalates, lead, cadmium, and/or organotins, which can be toxic specially when it burns. These toxic additives can also leach out or evaporate into the air over time, posing unnecessary dangers to children (as posted by New Jersey's Dept. Of Human Services). 100% PVC is not inherently harmful to humans, but it is also very hard and brittle, so it’s not a particularly useful material to anyone. It is when phthalates & Bisphenol-A (BPA) are added so it can be an useful material. With this set aside... I could realistically only consider the use of this product in a garage as shown or an industrial environment, based on its gaps & seams which obviously are not appropriate for good insulation when used with trusses vs. Wooden panels for backing. Drywall although labor intensive, will have a better end result in aesthetics, insulation and long term practicality, since it can easily be patched/repaired. As for the modularity of adding paneling slats, facilitating mounts & hardware. This is already an option commonly installed on top of the drywall. I don't want to come accross as I'm bashing on your video and product, I just tried to just post some facts and personal perspectives. Cheers 🤙....
I'd say the $3.77 per square foot cost is going to keep most people from using it.
It wasn't mentioned but all the walls are shown installed over plywood. 5/8" plywood sheets add to the weight (55lbs for osb) along with 20-50$ per sheet. That will add significant work to the DIY in which some might not be able to transport or lift that weight. It also adds to the cost and time. Maybe it was addressed and I missed him talking about it but that stood out quickly in my eyes when he showed installations. It also changes durability with plywood behind it verses straight to the studs. I think it was touched on before the toxic qualities to PVC burning. Since most deaths in house fires are from smoke inhalation this would just add to that toxic nature. Seems like a cool product for possibly water proofing the walls of a garage. I've never been a fan of drywall in a garage.
I think the plywood you saw was the inside of the osb from the outside wall, under the siding. But I could be wrong.
Looking for this comment. This is very important. No one wants to have to sheath a wall just to put paneling up. Drywall is just the sheathing part, basically.
@@MckIdyl I must have missed it what was the time frame?
@@hairmasterbarry It wasn't said aloud, but there's text on the screen at 8:01. There's also video of installing it directly to studs at 18:15.
@@ThePlaidPhantomthanks for observing that. He should have mentioned that aloud, though, since it’s a crucial point. And yes, installation video at 18:15 shows them vertically directly over the studs.
we have a plastic pollution problem and using this will only server to make that worse as cutting it will produce a lot of small plastic particles that will find their way into the environment. Dry wall is gypsum and paper, which doesn't produce the same pollution problems as plastic does. As for recycling, there is no real market for recycled plastic, at most only about 25% of plastics get recycled. What's necessary is the federal government to mandate that plastics are produced from existing plastics ONLY and that requires the chemical industry develop large scale processes that break the bonds between the compounds in plastic to be returned to manufacturers, such as cold-plasma pyrolysis.
OMFG, our whole houses are going to be made out of plastic now. We started with plastic drains. Then they replaced aluminum with PVC siding. Then we got plastic floors ("Luxury" Vinyl is PVC). Now we are getting plastic walls. No. Just no! Also the smoke that comes from PVC when it burns is instant toxic death. Gypsum is a stone and it doesn't burn. Drywall is used as a firewall. In multifamily, it has become standard to run drywall, not just the the ceiling but all the way to the roof in the attic between units, because it can prevent the spread of fire from one unit to another.
I chuckled when you showed the “professional” pitcher throwing 71 mph. 😂
Once you paid him he's a "PRO".
A real test is give a guy named Kyle 2 monsters and tell him his Subaru is slow and lock him in a room..
It'll be summer in a couple monsters.@@4therush
No Doubt the Real Big League pitcher throwing 90 MPH was blowing right through it.
My 13 yr old throws 71 mph
No fire protection, toxic, and significantly more expensive. This is just an advertisement disguised as a video.
prepare for the future babe
Drywall is easy, fraud guy
Exactly! And gives you an ugly plastic look as a bonus. I have no idea why anyone would want to use this ugly stuff.
We need to avoid using plastics and poly products as much as possible everywhere! As it breaks down we end up breathing the micro plastics in, it ends up in our soil and water and is a major concern all over the world as we are seeing levels rising and health effects now. Stick to old fashioned drywall!
Did you not watch the video, everything you just said is false.
Basically it's vinyl siding for inside Installs a lot like paneling that people used to do (but stronger) Looks good for utility spaces, but I couldn't see myself living with that on the walls. Good video.
looks like an excellent solution for retrofitting basements where there's not a lot of options for reducing the ambient hydrostatic pressure - at least it doent need to be replaced if it gets wet.
Basically vinyl siding for the interior. Lighter and easier than drywall, but likely little or no fire protection despite the claim. Likely would not meet code. Sounds like the manufactures claims fire protection, but I simply don't believe it. Plastic is made from petroleum and not only is flammable, but gives off toxic fumes when it burns. If they added chemicals to reduced flammability, the fumes could even be more toxic. Impact protection is nice, but no one throws fast balls in my garage and I have no garage drywall damage after 60 years.
Something like this would be good to top the 5/8 drywall in my carport, and perfect if it was just a flat sheet with no hollow core. No mold, dirt daubers could be pressure washed, and still a commercial fire rating.
@@Bob_AdkinsGreat point. Now that I think about, it would be great in the bottom foot of wall of a structure that is subject to flooding. Drywall doesn't do well with flooding!
everything in your house gives off toxic fumes when it burns....fyi
@davebenson8547 I don’t think you understand what toxic means. Burning wood and paper gives off smoke that you don’t want to breathe but it doesn’t make them toxic.
@@davebenson8547 > everything in your house gives off toxic fumes when it burns....fyi If I had a fire in my house and I was still inside by the time plaster, brick, and concrete blocks were burning and giving off toxic fumes I would be long burned to a crisp.
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Curious how this holds up when exposed to UV via unprotected windows? Also, how does it hold up close to heat vents? I see some potential as mentioned in basements or garages where mold might build up… but even then maybe only to use on lower sections near the floor. Off gassing, noxious fumes during a fire would both be serious cons in most non-commercial scenarios. I think insulation strategies might need to be considered before using this to retrofit a home. This might create a vapor barrier on the wrong side of the wall in some cases too. 10-30 years from now this might create a lot of challenges to maintain or update if sizes go out of style. Like the concept of avoiding the dry wall work and weight.
This looks like a great product for finishing the inside of a garage, shop, storage buildings, and basements due to the strength, antimicrobial properties, and the hanging system.
I see that many people already mention that this is ok for garage but this will not replace drywall for interior. It will look very cheap, this is basically the same as vinyl exterior siding.
looks cheap but costs about 4 times as much
I’m not sure anti microbial is the same as mold resistant. Plus, I see more mold on PVC trim and vinyl siding than wood any day of the week. Thanks for all of your input and research.
Correct- he showed a video of power washing mold off of it- so while it may get mold thats obviously eaier to clean than drywall.
Very interesting product. Thanks for your time putting this together. You attached this to OSB. Would it be okay to attach it to 16” on center studs or would doing so result in an uneven/wavy surface? Adding OSB or plywood would increase cost and labor. I would think you could caulk to eliminate grooves. This also would add cost and labor. You talked about paint, but didn’t mention if it could be textured. Did you do anything to prime/clean the panels before painting? I could see this used in bathrooms where there might be a lot of humidity and people would want a smooth surface for cleaning. Finally, I would think staggering the panels during installation might provide a more water-tight seal.
We're actually using strawbale for the exterior walls of our house.That might not be for everyone, but it costs about $1000 in materials for our 1440 sf house, has mad R values, is sustainable, and (counter-intuitively) fire resilient. Also, in combination with clay plaster on the inside, it regulates the humidity to the point that the mirror doesn't fog up anymore when you take a shower.
straw decomposes inside your walls.
I noticed you are fastening this stuff to chipboard; that may or may not have insulation behind it instead of it spanning studs. Is this intended to replace drywall or just another wall covering? How well does it wear over time? How safe is it in the case of fire? If it were used like drywall and spanned the studs with insulation behind it; how well will it hold up to impact such as a baseball of a golf swing? How long does it take before it goes brittle and start chipping and flaking? It seems that one would have to install a backing ( chipboard, particle board or some type of sheet wood) for it to be strong enough to resist impacts; is there more to it than what's being told? Inquiring minds want to know!!
I think it looks great . I really hate drywall...dusty, fragile, falls apart when wet, grows mold, hard to repair so it looks perfect. I love the hardiness, water resistance and speed of installation of this product. I would use it for sure if I was doing a reno or new build.
Working in the packaging industry, we are trying eliminate PVC from the stream, as it is not sustain friendly and there are health risks from long term exposure. If you have ever worked around a PVC manufacturing environment, the odor is nasty, it smells toxic. While I agree that drywall is miserable, and should have be replaced long ago, I don't think "plastics" are the way to go. There has to be a more natural material, say from wood products, that are truly sustainable, preferably through a bio-composite degradable process. Replacing obnoxious drywall with PVC is not progress, in my opinion.
and what is wrong with drywall?
Trusscore probably has a small niche it can fill, but I doubt it will replace drywall in the majority of homes. It has too much of the cheap look that vinyl siding has which is the same reason vinyl siding hasn't replaced most other forms of siding.
In this scenario, there appears to be sheathing covering the wall studs already, then they cover the sheathing with Trusscore. With drywall, there is no sheathing required. You cover it once, and it's done. Furthermore, drywall offers a fire break which is often required by code between the garage and living quarters.
We would told that in the video. He wrote he added OSB but did not need to do so.
Repair wise instead of mud and paint, you can probably use a vinyl patch or plastic weld some scrap PVC, then sand and polish it down. I have one issue with the fact materials getting lighter; impact-wise it seems fine, but wind... How well would it stand heavy weather? I've seen plastic siding just peel off of houses with enough jostling and flapping in the wind.
Yes, PVC technically *can* be recycled, and PVC material can be recycled up to 7 times, which is a lot! But you have to find somewhere near you that will do that, and not all communities have a PVC recycling business nearby. It's realistic to assume that plastic will NOT be recycled. That said, I am trying to reduce the amount of plastic in my home. In the long run I don't believe I'd be happy to have a home full of PVC.
They've been using these here in South America for at least 10 years. They come in a million different colors and textures printed on them like marbel, granite, and wood grains. I really like how they look when used as ceilings. I was going to buy some to make a box to place a cat liter box inside of it and have it vent outside.
Or clean the litter box regularly 😅
Drywall is cheap, that's the only reason it is so popular. For a 20x20 room, I can buy all the drywall materials near me for ~$800, a quarter of what you quoted for the plastic. BTW, never use drywall in a garage, unless you like mold.
You missed the point about the labor of installing the dry wall and finishing it to the point it looks as nice as the trusscore.
Hmm, interesting, but I can see lots of drawbacks: PVC is oil based. It's more plastic which will end up as micro plastics at the end of its life. PVC releases toxic smoke in a fire etc. So I'll pass on it. Stick with plasterboard/frywall/gib board in living spaces. I use ply or mdf to line garage and other non living spaces where a more durable and lower quality finish is called for.
We use this in UK mostly on bathroom cielings but it’s becoming more available for wetwall replacement but it so easily broken dented and fades quickly when in sunlight when cutting.. i only use it for ceilings but you can easily damage it with your hands trying to get T+G together because they always start to creep and end up with a slight gap appearing so its must warp slightly aswell.. its not the best for walls but for ceilings that are never fallen into or punched ect its great
Do you use the same product as this? (just asking since they show it being hit...) But good point about sagging! I'm super curious now if it may sag if installed horizontally?? Also, how will those horizontal gaps be about collecting dust and dirt?! More I think about it, maybe installing it vertically would be best for multiple reasons??
It appears to be pretty dent, punch, and break resistant in the video demonstration. I think you are using something different.
If it is like vinyl siding, then it will become more brittle with age.
Fiberglass would be more resilient, but obviously more costly to cover walls. I will not use this pvc indoors.
We use a similar product in the carwashes we build due to its water resistance and ability to be easily cleaned. the panel we use is actually manufactured in the united states and costs less than this panel. It is virtually identical to this product. A very nice feature of this is how quickly it can be installed. One thing I did notice in the video is that in the type of commercial installations I have seen it is normally hung vertically and not horizontally. There is also a selection of colors available allowing for decorative stripes, accents or to match branding at locations. A wide range of trim and molding is also available, think wainscot or chair rail.
What is the name of the product you use?
My buddy put the product you mentioned in his car wash. Works great for a wet environment.
EZ Liner or Extrutech?@@CYBERSTORM101X
I bought a work truck.. old e350 with a lift gate.. I think I'll redo the interior panel for the box with this product. Need something simple tough that makes sense for that space plus I'll be creating things in the work truck
Yes, that what I miss in my life, large areas with plastic that constantly releases HCl, VOCs and dioxins in room.
My first concern was fire, I know that pvc burns with toxic fumes, for me that would be a no sale.
Key sentence “must be installed over fire rated wall or ceiling”. Easiest way to get that? Drywall or sheathing. And even standard Gwb gives 20 to 40 minute finish rating.
yeah that wasn't factored into the price at ALL.
Plus, fire-rated drywall is only slightly more expensive than normal drywall, and gives you the extra benefit of improved acoustic isolation. All round win, compared to this stuff.
@@ChristLink-Channel firefighters hate plastics. It basically turns to marshmallow when it burns. Melts all over the place.