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My man unintentionaly summoning Sardaukars
11 years later, this is the best tutorial found in KZhead, I managed to get the basic tone within 2 hours
Glad it's still useful :-)
@@JonnyMcBoingBoing i love you
It is immensely satisfying when you first feel it.
i agree!!!
Nah it just hurts.
I agree, and there is a good reason actually. When done correctly, kargyraa vibrates the vagus nerve, which affects your autonomic nervous system. Toning the vagus nerve benefits things like digestion and the immune system. It also helps to quell anxiety and the like. Studies have shown that many of the health benefits of yoga come from the fact that it helps tone the vagus nerve. In that respect, Tuvan throat singing is much like "vocal yoga"
Joel Wallenius then you aren’t doing it right. It needs to be felt deeper in your chest rather than where your vocal chords are.
@@cyanheskett9513 Show me your source for this claim
I've been trying to learn this for two years and I got it down not two minutes into your video. THANK YOU GOOD SIR
Tickles tho
I started doing this cause of a meme and It came naturally within a few hours without any tutorials or anything wtf
Same haha
Youre doing it wrong if its not as loud
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just spent two hours looking through videos to teach me about this and this is the first one to show me where to aim
James Nurgle same
I figured out how to do this on my own, when I was sick. I heard--and felt--the subharmonics, and I replicated the action and ran with it. Happiest day of my life.
It actually helped clear the phlem that 's been stuck in my throat for 25 years
That is so funny!!! Brilliant. You must have had some stuck up there😂
Best guide to start throat singing ive come across and ive looked all over the net so bravo mate, good simple and straightforward explanations
Fine, thanks for this demonstration. Just a note about the anatomy of kargyraa. The structure set in motion (usually at half the frequency of the vocal folds, leading to the one octave drop) is - like you say - the false vocal folds, also called the ventricular folds. But these are located above the true vocal folds, and not below them. The outpouching called the ventricle intervenes between the two. What makes it feel like the effect is occurring below the true vocal folds is that the large amplitude of the ventricular fold vibration sets a large portion of the throat vibrating along with them, inluding tissue below the true folds. For more details, see my paper from 2001: P.-A. Lindestad, M. Sodersten, B. Merker, S. Granqvist (2001). Voice source characteristics in Mongolian ”Throat Singing” studied with high speed imaging technique, acoustic spectra and inverse filtering. Journal of Voice, 15: 78-85. It is based on high-speed imaging of my laryngeal area (2000 images per second) through fiber optics inserted into my throat via my nasal passages while I am singing Kargyraa style. I am glad I only had to do it once!
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Six years later, still helpful. Thanks. I got confused because some videos say it's above the vocal folds and others (like this one) say it's below the vocal folds. So thanks for clearing up that mystery.
ok....AGGGHHHH MY THROAT..... I really shouldnt have ate that pencil earlier...
Bruh
11 years wow
metal_ak4 yes.
@@erlik420 And i reply for your 2 weeks old comment :P
What if joel is dead😧
I saw that a frw people already commented on the fact that the false vocal cords are below the regular vocal cords. I just wanted to add that the lower pitch is due to the fact that the false vocal folds are bigger (more mass) and hence vibrate slower than the vocal folds during phonation, causing alower pitch :)
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When I was learning this I found that warming up is the most important part.
I can't seem to get it right. Every time I get down low in my throat it starts to do the equivalent of vocal fry and I cannot continue
same
@@xxMech me too. I wipe it off on tile, the light is brighter this time Everything is 3D blasphemy
Haven't been able to do the or metal growls at all. I feel frustrated
gaba aoeu lol slipknot fan
@@hexyko4850 bro it's actually way easier than throat singing, just make your upper abs stiff
I am using this to learn false chord screaming for metal and this helped me so much more than any other tutorial I saw before
I'm here for the same reason
@@PrimeDesercratorright behind ya
@@PrimeDesercrator me too
Just as a general advisory here, after looking over the comments; If it hurts, you are doing it wrong. I am not perfect at this either, but I do know that much, and I got that tip from an actual Tuvan. If it hurts, most likely you are stressing an area too high in the throat. The feeling is actually lower than where most people start, and it can be difficult to learn that kind of subtle muscle control. I am a certified yoga instructor, so I am very used to paying attention to subtle feelings in the body and isolating very specific musculature. It is easy to get a "growl" from squeezing the top part of your throat hard and vocalizing, but it is like choking yourself from the inside, and it hurts like coughing up razor blades. The feeling you are looking for should be closer to your chest than your chin. I started feeling it right in the suprastrenal notch (where your collar bones meet your breast bone). Also, playing didgeridoo will really help you with building lung capacity and breath control. I actually started doing khoomei (mid-range throat singing) accidentally, before I even knew what it was, by practicing didgeridoo vocalizations without my instrument.
Are you active here still? I'm struggling so much with this, I've been dreaming for years about learning proper kargyraa, but it just never stops hurting. I can get the powerful low sound going but in my throat something is burning. After a minute of trying, my throat is swollen and my chest voice deepens... useful for choir sometimes but hardly ideal. I can do strohbass, but it's just not the same. Unreliable too. :(
I am fairly active. You can go to my page, I have a whole bunch of throat singing videos I did, not all great, but you can see my learning process. I'd be happy to give any advice I can, but I'd probably do better with a sample of your voice. Have you uploaded any of your own attempts at kargyraa? I've been developing my sygyt a lot and noticed it is even harder for me to get kargyraa now than it was before. I can get it back, but it takes a while. I'm still good at Oidupaa style, oddly enough, I guess because of the higher fundamental... anyway, hop over to my page and check out the play list. I tried to do more tutorial type stuff, so maybe you can find something useful there. If you have any samples of your own work, shoot me a link or something. Thanks for the reply.
It's past midnight here so I don't dare record right now. I'll make a note of it for tomorrow though. I do have old recordings of kargyraa attempts, but I doubt their ability to represent my current technique. I'll have a look at your videos in the meantime. Thank you so much!
I should be in bed now but I had to reply first. The kargyraa that you sing is not kargyraa, I think you'd want to know that as soon as possible. You're not engaging the false vocal folds. The typical starting point when learning kargyraa (or strohbass, actually) is about one fifth above your lowest full chest voice note - whereas you advocate starting as low as you can go!
Joel Wallenius wow, thanks for the notes, really. I accept your criticism, and it makes a lot of sense. A lot of people would be upset, but I really appreciate it. I'm going to try putting your advice into practice and hopefully improve my kargyraa!
I know when I have got it because my throat hurts, I cough, my eyes water and in my head I can hear a harmony when you make the O vowel in this video. I think I am able to do it for about 4 seconds max and then I stop. Thanks a lot for this video, it is the best help on youtube for sure. A lot of other videos are seriously just hogwash, people that don't understand what they are doing or people that do not understand how they can seriously hurt a person by having them practice this.
great tutorial, got it almost instantly!
Best tutorial yet on youtube...incredibly simplified, yet very effective!
You've blown my mind about how easy it is to start with Khargyraa! Your video is really helpful, thank you for sharing!
VERY good brief tutorial on Khargyraa. Thanks for this. I've always wondered how people did this specific technique.
when <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="186">3:06</a> just said "why am i living?"
I probably should've tried this when I wasn't drinking, I have a bit of a mess to clean up, thank you for posting this great video and you've helped alot of people out
Thank you! I wasnt using the right part of my throat at first, your video helped me figure out exactly what part of the throat to use!
Great tutorial, I must try it.
this is a great video. nice, clear concise and to the point!
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Very helpful! Thanks mate, other guys don't explain how to avoid throat irritation.
Sygyt with loud harmonics is one of the hardest styles to perfect. Closing off the drone takes real skill and alot of effort - I'm still working on it myself. Go with caution to avoid injury.
Sound For Health / Jonny Cope learning this is quarantine
Have been obsessed with Umet Ozcan and how he can throat sing, definitely inspired me to attempt to learn how to do so too. Thanks!
I did this in one try. Thanks for the fantastic descriptive video
Dude you are awesome! I was able to do this by the end of the video and just like you said immensely fun and addictive! Hahaha Thank you so much for sharing this amazing talent!
Thanks maan! I'll instantly try this when I'm recovered!
Glad it worked for you. I've had plenty of detractors too over my tech.
Wow I got that really quickly. Helps to have already have good control over your vox.
Thank you, getting results immediately
I slowly learned how to do it thanks to this tutorial video, your explanation was great. thank you
I've tried quite a few guides and this one I really started to feel it. Thank you!
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@@JonnyMcBoingBoing it hurts
Thank you so much for posting this!!
I first learned how to inhale scream/growl, and got curious how to throat sing. This was a big help!
Amazing. It took me about 3 minutes to find the voice. 🙏
Been doing death metal guttural vocals for decades, and only just now trying to learn throat singing, specifically the Kargyyra technique. A lot of the same basic fundamentals apply, so I have at least a little bit of a head start. Thanks for the tutorial!
thanks for demonstration.... it's easy to learn
Very fascinating! I stumbled upon this video after seeing the Dune films and thought the throat singing (from the Sardukar) was absolutely otherworldly! Please make more videos showing the Khargyraa technique. Thank you for sharing!
Im here because I want to sound like a Dunmer
Ayy
Same
You like to dance close to the fire, don't you?
You n'wah
this is a good explanation same way I learned it. you can also sing in it in a real limited range it sounds crazy, but take it easy in any case the irritation should stop and it should become real relaxed. Also it makes an insane amount of sound if you do it right so your neighbours will love you for it..
This is the most informative vid I have seen, thanks!
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thank you!! i will definitly try this!! great vids on harps aswell!
Ever since I discovered the HU, I've always wondered how they did it.
Thanks man! good tutorial!
I've been trying this for a few weeks, about a month. I watched another video about throat singing saying to try moving my tongue around the find the "sweet spot" so I can create that particular sound. As I've practiced, I've tried combining those two techniques and my throat singing has definitely changed. Not only am I getting better at throat singing in both ways, it seems like my throat singing voice is noticeably different than others'.
I want to learn this because overtones have been soothing to me since I can remember and I can only imagine how it would feel to make those sounds by myself.
Lot of fun and very addictive. You are great! Ahahaah
The best tutorial thank you bro
Thank you so much for this video!
It takes me only five minutes to produce the sound thank you very much it's awesome!
Have been attempting to throat sing like this for a long time and i shit you not this made me get the breakthrough. Thank you.
thank you very very much sir as ive been having fun with this but never learned it and so was doing it wrong (felt it it my nose) so i was indeed hurting my throat and wasnt feeling good about it, now i can enjoy more! i just hope i didnt destroyed my vocal chords by doing this time to time since quite a long time^^ thanks!!
Brilliant video, thank you, i am practicing now!
Thank you very much. This is a fantastic instructional
fantastic!
WOW. I'm a growler in death metal and extreme metal and stuff and this is exactly EXACTLY the same techniques I use. Mine sounds way more distorted though. interesting!
AngelicBaby whats your band? Im learning to death metal growl, its pretty tight so far, but i came here looking to do gutteral growls so im assuming the technique for gutterals is different lol
@@HenglishShogun , I'm still trying to learn deathcore vocals and this technique (and monk chants) is how I found it. It is actually the same thing as a low, but with a few changes in the throat, mouth, lips, and tongue. If you want low gutteral sound, you really have to relax (biggest tip), open up your throat (super relaxed), and you should feel it vibrate down in your chest. One thing that helps is instead of an "oh" or "yo" sound, try "ooh" or try to slide it into an "ooh" sound using the following changes. Bring your jaw down low (maybe even a touch forward) and pretend like you have a ball in your mouth. Your lips should have a small hole and they are making a "duck face" where they stick out. Hopefully you can make this sound just by thinking of the syllable "ooh" and relaxing and opening up. After you have this, if you want more of a toilet bowl sound (what I think you are wanting?), simply bring the tip of your tongue up and touch either the back of your teeth or right where they meet your gums. It can be hard at first to change your tongue without changing anything else, and to find that sound on its own, so start with your normal low, think "ooh" while relaxing everything while you make the space in your mouth larger and move into duck face... then try to keep all of that while bringing the tongue up. If you don't want toilet bowl, keep your tongue down flat and it is just a matter of relaxing enough (oddly enough meditation and monk chants help for relaxing and breath control needed to project). One thing to keep in mind, you will be using a touch of fry most likely (most techniques use a bit of false chord and fry, just in varying degrees), and it is a great way to change the sound further, so you want the soft palette to resonate (the area I have to focus on to keep good tone) and I think of the sound moving from the back of my throat, all the way up and over and coming out at the top of my nose. I find it strange I focus on the soft palette resonating, but it can add a lot to the sound when getting super low, AND if you really put that soft palette resonation as far backwards as you can while using your nasal passages as well (crinkle up your nose to find it) you can get more of a "roar" like this (notice his nose crinkle up). kzhead.info/sun/iLGTYdipppx5ZYk/bejne.html I'm still at the point where I have to use different approaches to find the sounds, blend them together, and then relax it until it gets super low. I threw a lot at you, so if it doesn't make sense or you are struggling with any of that let me know and I'll do my best to explain. I think what AngelicBaby means when she said "Mine sounds way more distorted though" is due to the addition of fry resonating on the soft palette... playing with that can get a much harsher (and brutal) sound without having to push anything or use more air!! Relaxed with the least amount of effort relying on making things resonate is what you want to shoot for. The most fun part is when you understand that ALL of the different points that resonate (going back to monk chants "oh" "ah" "hue" and "eung") can be MIXED AND MATCHED! Combined with different placements of mouth, tongue, and lips that is a ton of sounds. Oh and "eung" chant in metal either feels like a forward placed "ee" or "en"... that last one is nasal cavities and you can find them just by humming. It was the hardest for me to find since I'm having trouble with highs (moar nasal needed in mix). I hope the ramblings of an insane man are of some help to you!
@@naejimba HenglishShogun i wonder how many ppl came here from the Kardavox Academy
HenglishShogun I think she only does covers bud.
I just could never find a band but I have done originals too
exxelent tutorial... very clear and concice
best explenation ever dude finally i can do it
I recently just got intrested in kargyraa and I would like to learn it and this video helps alot
Best tutorial out there, before this all I achieved was subharmonic bass. Now I get something more similar to throat singing. It hurts like hell tho. Cheers Bogumil
Good video brother!
What a great man
such a good video, thanks man this helped out alot
I think smoking might make it significantly more difficult to isolate the lower folds. I thought I had it for a while today, but then kept doing the *ahem* and heard the deeper resonant. Every time I tried to isolate it I would get close and start coughing. I'm almost entirely on an electric cigarette, for about three months now, and now after about 20 mins of coughing up mucus when I get close to the sound I am able to hit and sustain it. I have a suspicion that the vocal folds needed for this are also susceptible to becoming coated with nasties from cigarettes and 'filling up' with mucus. If you are having trouble with this, that might be why...
THIS IS TRUE
I VAPE AND I CAN DO KARGYRAA AND KHOOMI
But google says smoking makes your voice deeper
Just want to say that as for an instructional video. This one has helped me the most. Took me 3 days to push through the coughing but I've got it now. Many thanks. I'm really enjoying the khargyraa
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Jeez christ i love u sooo much!!!! Gonna try this for the whole boring lonely hard labor working night!!!
Good video and thank you for explaining things in an easy and simple manner. One small tip which I came across in another Mongolian KZhead video: breathe from the abdomen using your diaphragm.
great video
@TheDoodMan Hey great and glad to be of some help!... Keep it up. Best, J
I've been working on this, and once I could get to do it without forcing it or constricting my throat and just relaxed I realized that the pitch I was creating was several notes deeper than the original tones I was making.
after 9 years did u learn?
Thank you so much!
For me, it doesn't drop like an octave. I can sing a solid C2-Bb1 but with this technique, i just get around a G1-F1.
@Zenweaponry just takes time for everything to settle down - the vocal chords must back off right away so the sound production / vibration can occur lower down then work on sustain and diaphragmatic pressure to hold steady sound
that you so much for the tip. was having a hard time getting to the bottom of my vocal cords i know what you mean by feeling it move down your chest. your way of keeping your mouth closed and "clearing" your throat and holding it i had it down quickly. but so hold that my throat gets irritated. but practicing will solve this thanks again!
"kargara" means "gargle" in Turkish :D
@Ismail Karakaya Aslında Türkçedeki tüm /k-/ sesleri Oğuzcada /g-/ olduğu için öyle: Köz-Göz Körmek-görmek köl-göl hatta köylerde karın degil garın derler tamamen her K- ile başlıyan kelime G-'ye döner. O yüzden Kargara yazmak hiç yanlış değil bu sadece şive meselesi diye düşünüyorum
good tutorial!!!
THANK YOU VERY MUCH!:)) i`ve been looking for this a long time
Nice video! Thanks
Thanks, great vidéo !
Wow you explained this well.
Helped me a lot! Thank you so much, finally got it! Greetings, ~Flo
Hey, great video! As of now, it's my third day of intensively trying to learn khargyraa. What I've achieved so far is, that I'm pretty close to that motorcycle sound, but I'm not able to hold it at all, especially not with such richness as you can do it. I'm experiencing no scratchiness nor do I have to cough but I feel a little soreness after trying which fades after like 30 minutes or so. I've read this happens because my throat is not used to what it's doing, so I think I'm on the right way and not doing it "too" wrong. I'd really love to take your course on udemy, as I'm not only interested in Khargyraa but in any other Khöömei technique as well, but it's just straightforward too expensive for me at the moment. I will definitely book it later this year, but would sincerely appreciate your advice for now. I think my breathing and air pressuring is not right, so what do you think should I aim for?
Hi, my understanding, based upon medical books and videos is that there are folds in the throat below the vocal folds also. J
I tried once and I did it!!!!!!!! Great tutorial
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not gonna lie.. i love to listen to throat singing. thanks for this video man. I'm gonna practice it and one day i'll tag you when i can sing properly for more than 5 seconds :) .
Wow... It actually worked!
I think I am going for this instaid of the overtone which I can't get right and I LOOVE the low notes!!
It sounds so amazing and relaxing, but it costs some overcoming to do this^^
Dude! amazing thank you so MUCH!!!!
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aldcor and all the others are perfectly right: this is the best an most helpful video on khargyraa on youtube, if not on the whole web. thx for doing this and uploading it! you're amazing, khan temüdjin would be proud =)
thank you youtube recommendations very cool
MY MAN you're so great! :)) first day i try this im like thats impossible and then the second day i said ill give it another shot anD BAM!! but still got the irritation
Pode usar as vogais A, E, I, O, U para producir diferentes armónicos (3’15’’) Olhe os rostros que o cara faze quando faze as diferentes vogais. É importante as expresoes pra melhorar na tecnica. (3’21’’) Demostraçao de Kargyraa mediante o uso de vogais (3’30’’) A vogai “O” é a mais baixa e se faze com boca pouco aberta (3’52’’). A vogai “I” é a mais alta e com boca mais aberta (4’01’’) Segunda demostraçao das vogais em Kargyraa (4’06’’)
Oh man I watched every single explainer video on this and here I was finally able to produce the sound that totally feels correct.
It's a video from 2009. Everyone knows the older vids are the best lol.
@@joewhiteside7434 Correct!
After a few months, I finally got it going, almost better than my Sygyt, which I've spent almost 3 and a half years on.