New Tales from the Borderlands - So Bad It's Frustrating

I would be insulted if I was Gearbox tbh, knowing a game company that didn’t even have any prior work on the IP did a better writing job for it than the official company who’s sole purpose should be to make sure the IP is respected. Man, did they fail at that last part…

I find it almost funny how comically bad Borderlands has fallen.

Well gearbox doesn't respect the franchise.

@@sinjin8576 literally playing borderlands one right now because it's actually good.

I think the reason why is simply the writer. Borderlands 2, Presequel, and Tales were written by Anthony Burch while the rest weren't. This would explain why Borderlands 1 has a skeleton of a story, 3 having poor pacing and annoying characters, and New Tales being well this. Anthony Burch made Borderlands that we know of and Brought one of the best and most interesting antagonist in gaming. Without him, the Borderlands series had been struggling to make compelling games. Maybe Burch could return or someone with similar writing skills can help Borderlands 4. So far, the DLC in 3 showed the right direction for the series but New Tales force the franchise to step back twice

They made Rhys a great value Jack

Rhys was a garbage character to begin with

He was still one of the bes characters in this game, but really they kind of made it seem like he learned nothing from TFBL1

@@TheWhiteTrashPanda no he wasn't

@@TheWhiteTrashPanda absolutely not. He served as a very good mirror to jack, being mentored by him in Tales to becoming his own person, defying what Jack thought Rhys wanted to be. Rhys being just your everyday CEO is such a bad choice, Rhys should have been unique to every other CEO we've ever met. His appearance in BL3 and New Tales is a slap in the face to his arc in the original Tales

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@@GucciPucciMIH Oh yea… People never mention him. I mean there’s slight difference in that even though JK is a real badass Trevor is a monster in human skin.

I mean, if the writers write in a reason for his anti-character development like say… he’s trying to get as much money as he can to fund a project to try and find Sasha, that’d be leaps better. Maybe add in a close confidant like Vaughn point out the parallels between him and Vazquez but Rhys denies these observations. Then through a series of events like him pushing away his close friends or hell, even losing someone (in a non-comedic way) for him to have a revelation, *maybe* then he could be fixed. Now a character assassination like what they did to Obi-Wan in the Kenobi Show, well that’s a massacre. Edit: Also Stapleface could’ve been pretty interesting, maybe she was a kid taken in by psychos and therefore not an actual psycho like the ones from the result of testing, because she’s so weak she’s never been able to fit in with her family, when she has “non-psycho thoughts” and her family ends up dead, this could create an internal conflict, after overcoming that in someway, we could’ve had an endearing story about her trying to get used to a whole new life, we could’ve had some funny jokes about her not understanding some very basic things, they could’ve done so much!

Also why is it rhys and sasha that are the couple? I thought it was pretty obvious from what I remember from the original tales game that rhys and fiona were gonna be together

Always good to check on your game's bible to make sure things add up for fans. But unfortunately, it just seems to be the trend for writers to try and do their own thing to leave some sort of mark.

I don't bother playing the new games, I'll stick with 1 and 2, played 3, and have no interest in playing it again

Tiny Tina's wonderland has a pretty decent story and a fun villain that feels like a somewhat tone down more emotional version of Jack

It's a shame. I played through all three games twice. 3 has its charms with the gameplay at least, but it seems these "New Tales" lack any positive traits.

​@@walkingwhisperer exactly, 3, at the very least, has a potentially good story, more lore on the Flynt family, and decent gameplay. New Tales doesn't even have gameplay to fall back on, because it's a "telltale" game, so 90% of the gameplay is just making choices and doing quick time events.

@@TheNavigator4552 same. No matter how fun the gunplay and weapon gimmicks bl3 has, i always wind up going back to bl2. I absolutely can't stand the vibe bl3 gives. Good thing in the recent years bl2 exodus came out and it spiced up bl2 for me quite a bit.

Randy pitchfork did something similar to Duke Nukem, trying to paint it as a joke/boring franchise when forever failed horribly, no idea why he would do this to borderlands but the fact that he fired the original Cl4p-Tr4p voice actor for asking a raise shows he is a pretty asshole and probably has beef with someone else

That makes way too much sense honestly.

And TFTB wasn't that popular to begin with

Same with how they treat a lot of The Pre Sequel (Cough cough Aurelia and Elpis in general). It seems like they only like Borderlands 2 and 3

That's the norm with everything these days.

He wasn't sent to Pandora he was stationed above on Helios, he choose to go there for a career and financial gain and to be fair Pandora is an entire planet of insane bandits and raiders left behind by Dahl so Jacks words were not untrue, remember we are not the good guys of the story we're just another interested party fighting over the vaults

I like the sister more than the other 2 😆

In my opinion. The best new characters that was in the game were anu, stapleface and Louis. Rhys is still one of my favourites. Maybe something happened in between the events of tales 1 and borderlands 3/ new tales that made him like this. Is that why Sasha and Fiona left?

@@riveracrobat8393 I liked Louie until the dab scene and then I hated every character

@@riveracrobat8393 Anu is (at least at the beginning of the game from what I know) just annoying

The tediore guards made me consistently laugh and that's literally the only positive thing I have to say about this experience

it's terrible, why the fuck would name the magic juice iridium, that's just a chemical element, nothing special about it really

This game isn’t canon as far as I’m concerned. I don’t care how petty I’m being…

This game could literally be a weapon, upload it to any target home system and play it, brains are going to pop.

A story told to the loader bot would have been better

It's even worse because the accept ending sounds like something Handsome/Holo Jack would come up with to make himself feel better. Literally just eliminating every single vault hunter, past and present, because a cosmic deity felt like it. Sirens? What are those? The destroyer being the strongest thing in existence? Not anymore. The existence of the shards spit in the face of literally every tidbit of lore we have ever received in this series. And it's even worse, because now in borderlands 4, we just have to deal with the fact that there's a cosmic deity out there that can eliminate all of our guns and erase us at any time, should it feel so inclined.

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But you don't get it it's Fran she is the strongestest coolestest character of them all!!!-est /s

@@zeroderorero3948 She used her own body to absorb the impact.

​@@Dr.Oofers She ate the laser beam.

I feel like if they reworked it to where Rhys had put a sizeable chunk of his funds into rebuilding places that the laser ravaged, with stuff like the water park kind of eating up most of it, leaving Fran's Frogurts to be half finished, then it could probably explain stuff like Rhys' talk of money, or Fran's predicament, a bit better than it really did.

Hold on.. that sounds, almost, now forgive this slander. Intelligent, logical even. So get the fuck out of our company. We only want shit and glitter here at Gearbox.

It would be the first thing he did after beating Maliwan. Yet.....

But you see, character consistency is clearly not a priority when it comes to these writers. If it was, Rhys wouldn't essentially be a completely different character now.

@@FourDozenEggs The writers for this and 3 should've been shot out of Helios One's cannon into a sun.

He could've even had Lorelei, who was Atlas's standing military commander around the time, front the money for him.

Athena's story was pretty scattered, but seeing her as the Hyperion CEO is def a weirdest choice of them all.

Yeah who wouldn't want to do mega corporation stuff after one murdered your sister and you helped create Handsome Jack in a way. Logical af

I could see it as atonement for making Jack exist. Making Hyperion have shields for more protection than killing. BUT she’d have a figurehead or be an unseen CEO. To stay low, since that was a goal of hers. But being ceo would allow her to keep SO safe with tons of cash. So if in that meeting it’d have a modulator so you didnt know who it was, and no model besides the logo. You could have even done a whole mystery in BL4 if finding out who it is for to be her. I’d be better than what we got

Borderlands 3's story with its later DLCs was still somewhat good, but that's where this franchise died. The moment they showed that removed Maya's funeral, already showed that they don't give a FUCK which dumpster the story ends up going into.

It even looks like the model from Pre-Sequel and not edited in any way to match BL3's style 😆

And Katagawa "Sr." is clearly wearing Jr.'s Malawan branded Zer0 suit from BL3. So fucking lazy!

Torque is using a 10 year old model lol

@@eyjay1508 that model was used in the echonet for BL3, its not the BL2 model

@@eyjay1508 Mikey's attempt at a Torgue Cosplay

Not even. Bro got turned into Graphene

I'm starting to wonder if some part of Jack is still in there, that's the only way I can reason this ass.

@@EggEnjoyer I think the best of Borderlands 3 is DLC about Krieg. In my opinion it was well written

@@kirizuka187 if it's only the dlc then why bother playing the main game except for the combat

After spending any amount of time with the 3 of them, I'd sit back and let them get tortured as well. Especially the fat one.

Still kinda like Troy he wasn't great (hell he might even be horrid but he's next to tyreen the whole game) but he had some good moments but like a lot of things in 3 it was squandered

@@badasscrusader please don't remind me of the whole troy-kill-tyreen buildup that went nowhere. It still hurts.

@@badasscrusader Troy had the potential to be a great villain but they threw it all into the gutter for some unknown reason. heck, the devs like disregarding any plot point simply because they didn't go off of the ending of pre sequel where the watcher was saying something about a massive scale war

Troy was really cool especially when you realize alot of his development was cut and his arc to realizing he didn't need Tyreen anymore

And I never liked how Troy baker is still replaced as the original voice actor and I know borderlands 3 made a billion dollars lol

it's super weird just considering Gearbox wrote this game themselves, you'd think the dev studio would know how their characters were portrayed, you know?

@@scuvarromanyuk7359 Them not using troy baker is seriously the most annoying thing about this for me 🥲

@@mrplayfulshade1038 It is very annoying and then they brough back the original actor for fiona

@@HaZe_Gawky Gearbox is having some employee retention issues. With products like these. I fckin wonder why....

I'm not I gave up after the 3rd one.

That’s why it’s so terrible because I just know the gameplay will be soo Good but literally everything else might be terrible

Me too. I'm sure the gameplay will be fire, but story is probably gonna be horrendous.

gave up at the third one, hell borderlands 1 is more enjoyable then 3

3 was pretty good in some places haven’t played wonderlands. A few major IPs are being written by people that hate them which is what I’m getting from New Tales. I’m hoping they find writers that actually care about the world and characters of the series and give us a well written story

Gods... Imagine if that was actually true... though... Highly doubtful considering the DLC of the 3rd game.

Well it seems borderlands 4 will be about the destroyer more. Its now the second time we failed to kill it. And now its vault been Opened. Can see in 4 we try to kill it before it eats all stars

​@@madsvigan2898or maybe that a war thing in pre sequel

@@jeanvictor8178 what i think. Hyperion, Jacobs, and atlas are on our side most likely. So This great war would be the vault Hunters plus those 3, fighting against Dahl, vladoff, and maliwan will fight against us to get to the destroyer. With the other companies also trying to reach the destroyer. It will be a war against those 10 or so mega companies.

Way better than anything gearbox comes up with these days

The "army" could've been composed of orderlies/orderly droids used in mental hospitals to handle violent patients and guarding the facilitites themselves which would explain why they are so incompetent in actual combat.

@@Kubinda12345 i love that and the dialog would've been more fitting for incompetent medical droids.

@@kaydenvega4635 True. But overall I find it sad that some random people on the internet like the two of us can create a much better and logical story than a well paid professional team at Gearbox...

@@Kubinda12345 success kills creativity simple as that and it's disappointing because most people will settle for mediocrity.

Completely agree, Presequel and the first Tales were the last good ones.

Yeah it does need to turn around. trying to be mostly comical doenst work. Sure you can have comedy but it CAN NOT be 100% of the dialogue. No one writes like that in a good story.

“How does it feel to have lived long enough to see all your favorite franchises go up in flames?” Is a quote that keeps earning its seat EVERY YEAR lmao.

Its funny, because I remember seeing people prior to BL3's release complain about how awful and too immature BL2 and the Pre-Sequel's writing was and how they're glad that BL3 had a different set of writers. Boy did they end up getting the exact opposite of what they wanted.

I only played 2 and 3, but I couldn't finish 3. Technical issues aside (couldn't even boot the game for over a year because of Gear Box's refusal to fix its issues, requiring me to scavenge the internet in search for a mod that fixed the boot issues and macro stuttering), the story is so baffling! Maya's death wasn't a big "OH NO!" moment like it was with Rolland in 2, it was just a "I can't believe they did her dirty like that". The twitch streamers are terrible villains for Borderlands, especially after Handsome Jack showed how a cold blooded but very effective evil leader could be in a series like this. Movement and the guns are the best they've been, but menu navigation is far worse than in 2, and there are so many loading screens when the previous game integrated the menu into the Hunter's UI seaminglessly. It isn't just the writing quality that fell with 3, it was the overall quality.

Ah yes, the "netflix witcher" method of writing

Yeah

I’ve been replaying 2 and The Pre-Sequel, and plan on doing a rewrite of the series!

It would be an especially stupid thing to excuse too considering Borderlands 3 takes place years after Tales, and that game shows Rhys is extremely good to his employees and treats them like genuine family. This game is absurd.

Something something "capitalism"

@@cdubsb3831 also something something "money is the root of all evil and that's why my greedy parents hate the fact that I didn't make it as a movie screenwriter" - the writers, probably.

Have t played it. So let me ask this. Did they try to do the “external circumstances forced Rhys to do awful unethical things, that while necessary to avoid video tragedy made him a villain in the eyes of those he was forced to make victims?” Or the “absolute power corrupts absolutely no matter the intentions, and as he was isolated in his position above all his strong morals were being deteriorated until nothing was left?” Because while not what I would have gone with, I could see that being a good narrative to make Rhys the bad guy.

@@frankwest5388 Doesn't really matter; The original tales from the borderlands made Rhys realizes that even if he's forced to do things to keep a company afloat, he shouldn't undercut the people around him so flippantly. Tell me, even if it's just a joke, would the man who struggled to fight against the greedy, self-centered, and cutthroat personality of someone he used to look up to, turn around and make his company motto so corrupted and money-grubby? No. It is a bad joke that fails on it's own and a WORST joke that throws away all the character development of one of the two MAIN PROTAGONISTS of the previous installment. They had the golden opportunity to write a CEO character that fits in the morally grey area and threw it away because all these monkey type-writers can come up with is "company only want money, company bad, company kill, you need kill company". Borderlands' writing from Gearbox has never been thought provoking or interesting on its own. At best, their writing was good enough as an appetizer for the main course of brain-melting loot n' shoot action. What possessed the company to think that making a 10-hour narrative game with writing like this is nothing short of hubris. They've never done it before, and should never do it again, if this is the result.

At least AI write is usually unintentionally funny

Now I think about it, didn't something just like that actually happen with some company?

@@Vaguer_Weevil that company is bethesda and the ai is named Todd or something

@@Vaguer_Weevil overwatch?

With his whole character being focused on finding Fiona, he could totally be money hungry. Going from not valuing it as much to trying to make a ton of money all to use to help find her. Making his change make sense. Pic of her is gone, only pic he has. Plant, sedimental first emergency sell second for fiona. Be could have even gotten mad at mc smart head for wasting money on projects that don’t make money or help find her. The teleportation was a great lead, but not knowing where it led pisses him off. Imagine actual writing

I don't understand either :( People hated on the pre sequel. It was still good just not as good as BL2. That and first tales last good games :( RIP BL

@@ChArLie360115 even in the pre sequel the writing was better than 3, and this

@@Illitha The Pre-Sequel has fantastic writing. Just look to the Claptrap DLC to find it. I love so many of the character interactions, especially when Jack tells you to execute the surrendered Legionnaire.

Woke-induced laziness and utter hatred for gamers and the Borderlands fanbase happened. The staff doubled down on the same crap they did with Borderlands 3. They gave precedence to labels and checking boxes, from making the vast majority of relevant characters “sTrOnK WhAmEN”, to making an uber-powerful, super-confident, wonderfully intelligent, morbidly obese disabled version of a Mary Sue with unlimited power and pulling stuff like “Free Labor” that should be targeted at the audience of Sex and the goddamn city, and they thought that these pseudo-virtuous dog whistles would be a valid substitute for a decent plot and lack of character development. Well, sorry to say but 90% of people who play video games are the exact antithesis of the audience these companies think they have. This is just the tip of the iceberg, but it’s representative of a wider phenomenon in modern entertainment that has seen good writing and character development flushed down the drain in the name of “checking boxes”, assuming that those boxes will automatically make your product better even if your writing sucks. Newsflash: they don’t.

@Adolfo Lerito oh boy and now gearbox is getting the folks from volition that made the disaster of a reboot for saints row lol we are entering the dark ages again

Randy *Bitchford

Didn't he step down as CEO?

@@lambopambo1166 He became some higher role that oversees everything at once, and hired somebody else for gearbox ceo specifically

Don't you know that in the world of CEOs stepping down sometimes means you get a PROMOTION YAAAAYYYY. See the down isnt really down, its actually up if you really think about it. Huh, weird how people work.

Killer Six is the biggest simp for Gearbox because he rated this game 7.25. He defends the bad writing by claiming they are just calling it woke and has a better education than them. Check out the comments section for his review of this game to see what I mean.

You said it. Also hi mustache man. We don’t see you as often anymore

There were red flags in BL3, but not enough to raise my hair. This game is completely hair-raising.

@@kilderok I thought handsome jackpot and love, guns, and tentacles was showing maybe signs of them being able to fix it, but after the rest of the dlc (which was really… ok) and this game I can’t anymore

@@kilderok Much of the writing in BL3 is a big ass red flag, and it still seeps into everything else in the series. From the YASS QUEEN SLAY mentality, to jerking off Lilith (the dumbest siren to ever exist), casually killing Maya, Ava existing, denigrating the Tales characters and otherwise just ignoring the Vault Hunters when it actually matters for plot contrivance. The games story from start to finish is a big ball of fail, and it marked a point where the writing was going to go for the foreseeable future.

@@mrbigglezworth42 Hell. At this point, I'd prefer if they'd retcon most of the events of BL3, ignore the existence that is New Tales, and somehow but miraculously still work some of the concepts and ideas into BL4 (if we get it). However, that would require a team of competent writers that genuinely CARE for the franchise and the characters it was built on. Because at this point, whomever these writers are that are making these questionable and frustrating writing decisions are doing nothing but giving a giant finger to the fans of this series.

I always kind of assumed it was like fresh wounds, starting off. Like, there was a certain threshold, before the wounds were unable to be repaired. Though, yeah, kind of a shame that Fran never at least commented on that, even if she had gotten used to life in the souped-up wheelchair of her's.

@@retrogamelover2012 that could be an explanation, but more likely then not it’s just something that these talentless writers didn’t think of

It's actually the source of her power.

Lmao, didn't think about that. It literally healed a bullet wound through the brain without long lasting damage and 13 or whatever deaths in a row without any long term damage. (Neither physically or mentally) .. they act like she was just born that way or injured very early in life (like a birth issue or something) so like, magic crystal should heal that fine... but we did watch one of these most pain tolerant character archetypes I've ever seen die by a bullet wound to the shoulder in less time then it'd take to bleed out irl, that it .. just couldn't fix? Oh yeah and when Ana loses a leg by shark, water thins blood causing bleed out more quickly and they even show massive amounts of blood and the fact she is showing signs of shock from the wound. She would've died there very quickly, and it seems to take nearly as long as the physcho to die from a shoulder wound that is literally a singular bullet wound by appearances then all that shit. Fuck this games story.

Sounds like she's not crippled just fucking lazy.

@@oakleyraverty1030 it'd be on brand. Though they said she was crippled. So we assume with what's given.

That idea was mentioned by a youtube short "bad video game idea" i think-

Yeah....

@@pumkin610 found it, "Bad Game Item Idea"

Honestly, that doesn't sound bad in the right setting. I have absolutely no idea how D&D works outside of KZhead shorts, but I'd imagine it'd be a little difficult to cast fireball on a giant fireball enemy, or having a fight a giant sentient gun

Im stealing it thanks

It kinda sounds like clays voice was changed in one of the Ava mysteries mission too

Troy baker would agree to voice act for this ass script they straight up butchered his character

Fr, im really surprised they did this with Rhys in Tales 2. In BL3 they showed Rhys to actually care about his employees; taking them to water parks to relax; and there are even Atlas soldiers voicelines that mention how great working for him is. And this is coming from someone that did not play the OG Tales. They did my man Rhys dirty.

@@santiagomartinez6231 if you play the original tales they do him even worse, because his whole arc is going from being money hungry to understanding that there are more fulfilling things to life, which is why he's such a good CEO in bl3.

I would've happily gave up having Atlas return as a weapons manufacturer if it meant that Rhys' character arc actually stuck

I don't necessarily think the did him wrong...while he fired Anu, she wasn't exactly a stellar employee (constantly "liberated" animals on a spaceship, destroyed either an on-loan sculpture or his only photo of Sasha (depending on choices), and was failing to deliver a product despite massive resource allocation and time being provided). He didn't seem obsessed with money, just...panicked. He was working for a now-unprofitable company and seemed paranoid about another possible invasion, which I imagine is why Altas moved it's headquarters onto a mobile ship from the planet's surface in the first place.

Seek help

Honestly, writing-wise (and not model art-wise, like ship or soldier design), this seems 100% plausible

@@AlexBarbu Very fair, I guess Hammerlock made the prosthetics himself? As from you memory, they look simplistic and steampunk, despite this being a sci-fi setting. Maybe they could’ve just made it so Fran needs a wheelchair to get around due to her weight?

yeah, the being in a wheelchair in the borderlands universe doesn't make much sense, especially when you have people with cybernetics overcoming disabilities like limbs in the case of hammerlock and rhys, and things as complex as wilhelm's cybernetics to overcome his bone wasting disease

Well we gotta make sure disabled people feel included right? Right?

​@@thelordoflore6572your'e example include only arms and Wilhelm was a freak of nature even if the pain was unbearable he would do it to get closer to a megazord but its still pretty dumb to not give her loader type attach to her waist so she can walk without really walking, idk of you get it x)

To add onto that, maybe it could be implied that she was a tech-themed VH similar to Gaige or Wilhelm, and that's why her hover chair thing is so powerful.

I'll take your advice and leave now

You were right

Complete with a Thanos snap.

Yea I hope, that if most of the writers realize they screwed up They retcon New Tales as a crappy movie

@@quinnholloway5400 Yeah, might as well go the Postal 3 route, in that regard. Even if there were stuff that I did enjoy (Fran, L0U13, Stapleface, the idea of Tediore being the next corporate antagonist, as possibly a response to being labelled a laughing stock for so long), the rest was kind of a mess. And making the events of this game mostly be from a film Octavio had made, of his claim to fame and badassery, with several exaggerated things in there, would at least make more sense.

the story is SO bizzare, it would actually work as a movie idea.

Would be funny if they just said this is a was crap sitcom then have tell tales (how's now reopened) make "newer tales from the borderlands"

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to be fair wonderland's was marginally less shit (still had annoying characters, but overall it was an improvement). The "dlc" was ass of course

@@theStamax man I can't say anything good about wonderlands story, take a step back from what your playing and look at the story objectively, I didn't like tiny Tina in bl3 and i wish we could have got Torgues wonderland or some mad max shit

@@billforson3143 well different strokes i suppose. For a single playthrough i felt it was a significant upgrade from bl3. At least the exposure to the most annoying characters was limited (paladin mike for me *shudder*... I have no idea why they brought back one of the least popular character/accent combos from bl3).

Ever since like 2017 or whatever, if a series had made a shitty game then you can expect things to go downhill from that point.

Thats why im only hoping for Bl2 Remastered instead of a new game

They could have made her a Ellie figure, coming from a hilbilly clan doing questionable things and eventually quitting the family while running away with the cash of their latest coup, opening a diner because she grew up on 80`s americana sitcoms (hyperion or another big company literally "disposed in the desert" because they weren`t selling) and leaving her life of crime behind

@@PancakemonsterFO4 or even an advanced, wealthy, high tech and unethical family, which would've left her craving the honest and simple life of running a small business and explained her wheelchair's tech

@@killrcupcake2994 i mean sure, why not, as long as she is not Rhys´carbon copy personalitywise. Also downgrade her wheelchair a bit and make staplerface a permanent member in the party so the team doesn´t constantly rely on her when it comes to the fighting. I mean this is Borderlands we are talking about, if anyone can pull off random humour then it´s psychos. Also it would be kinda intresting if the Tediore CEO was actually her mom, it would make for a better conflict then elitist bitch being fixated on ruining the life of her ex-classmate (althrough honestly it would have been better if they changed her company as well because of tediore getting treated as a joke in Borderlands lore)

@@PancakemonsterFO4 ahhh I love the idea, and I also agree it should've a different megacorp

A question I'm asking is how she's paralyzed at all. I thought she was just so fat she was disabled at first. Now considering there are nervous-system interfacing cybernetics in this game, there's a huge plothole. A device that restores nerve function to a damaged area shouldn't be an issue. And the stupid Jake Sully "not rich enough to afford" defense can't work here either, there are near homeless people and psychos in borderlands with augmentations. Hell, people build their own out of scrap in this universe.

This scene is pure cringe

I never noticed that.

I wouldn't say Commandant Steel was bad, just... plain.

@Prabhjit Dhillon well I doubt GearBox is ever going to bring her back again, so right now she is a bad character.

@@NefariousSpecter If they brought her back then she would be a bad character. Right now she's just meh because they didn't do anything with her. Their writing now would almost certainly make her a bad character.

Wasn’t Steel one of the preserved corpses in the first episode of Tales? When Rhys and Vaughn are walking through the Curiosities?

@@derpdadouch3654 fare enough, but as it stands, you can remove her from Borderlands 1 and nothing would really change. To me there is 2 types of bad characters, forgettable and terrible antagonists, Steel falls in the forgettable villains sections, Susan falls in the terrible villains section. Both are bad characters for different reasons.

They just don't care. Whatever they work on is just a vehicle for THE MESSAGE.

Shit, the "characters" in this remind me of the loser ass Gen z saints deboot "characters".

I don't know how these terrible writers keep getting hired, as a writer it completely baffles me people this incompetent are allowed to write games.

@@MaytayMaya I can only assume nepotism or gross incompetence on the hirers

@@MaytayMaya “The studio also hired Lin Joyce, a doctor in interactive fiction, to serve as the game's lead writer” Guys they hired a doctor! Surely they must've done a great job 😂

i thought he wore a fake one tho

The darkest timeline.... Someone get Abed-

Id like to see Fran make a Frogurt NFT stand

Or maybe bring up a waffle maker as a joke for about 5 hours

Isn't that just the Saints Row reboot?

@@masterjoda999 The joke is that all modern game stories have to be an allegory for the corporate drone's worthless life.

Even handsome Jack has other priorities, even if low on his list. Dude seems genuinely like someone driven insane, trying to grasp at the burning straws of his life trying to salvage it, where as they make Rhys look like a 2 dimensional rendition of scrooge without the redemption arc

This game is just an alternate universe for me. Or just not canon to the 1st game.

Holy shit Athena being a combat instructor for Atlas is a genius idea! The corporation she once hated and vowed to kill every last employee but is now helping Rhys with running Atlas. She is helping to make Atlas a better company. It's also something Janey would approve of. She's not vault hunting anymore but is still using her skills in a productive way.

The should've made Blake the CEO of Hyperion and if they really wanted to shoehorn Athena in, they could've made her a consultant or something. It would give her enough money, a peaceful job Jeanne would agree with and she would use her knowledge of weapons. It would also explain the shields on Hyperion guns in Borderlands 3.

When I saw her pop up at the CEO scene... I literally thought "wow, she is the CEO of S&S, cool" Lol alas...

Even making Athena CEO of those other companies would be weird. She's an assassin and a vault hunter, she knows nothing about running a business. Jeannie would've been a much better CEO but they wanted to shoehorn Atherna for fan service no matter how illogical it was.

@@Kubinda12345 shit, you’re right.

Pangolin makes so much more sense. They're just shields manufacturer.

Trust me bother, many hated it

This writing is terrible it’s like saints row 2022 level bad

I don't think I've heard a single good thing about it.

And it's sad it still got good reviews. So there's a chance Gearbox will think this game was a success.

@@lukasvokurka9224 I never trust reviews anymore, half the time it ends up being the exact opposite case

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yeah that part did confuse me. he acted as if those assumptions were obvious but katagowa Sr as the CEO makes complete sense with naoko as next in line rather than having naoko as the CEO

@@SkunkfapGaming the game actually explains it quite well if you..yknow, actually play the game

SO THAT’S WHAT IT WAS The look of the faces was bothering me so much

I'm so glad I'm not the only one to feel this way. The original TFTB looks way more natural to me even though it's technically worse in graphical quality.

Is that why everyone moves so weirdly?

You realize that whatever character this is, fights 3 battles for every conflict. One battle against both sides, and the third battle against both. (Struggling to get both sides to stop killing, then getting caught in between the two warring factions) This would likely turn said character into a pyscho who stops the killing the only way possible.

@@UltraKardas U could have a psycho arc which would be interesting in its own right but the arc could also be about a character who learns that maybe controlling everything around them isn't realistic and they should focus on small progress whenever they can

Read the Animorphs, Cassie is that character.

Trigun (The original anime and manga) don’t know about the new version I haven’t watched it. It’s basically this very concept of a guy who doesn’t want to kill in a world where people kill all the time.

probably should have just made her a siren with some kind of mindcontrol ability

Yup

Honestly I can buy wheelchairs in this universe being that weirdly op... if you're rich

Bently from sly 3 basically

@@honestkyn718 Y'know what would make me interested in her and the other characters? If her wheelchair did nothing at the start, but as this story has a lot of rich people in it, there were rich and powerful people known for having trillion dollar wheelchairs, and so they are more strong that an able-bodied person, pissing fran off enough that she learns how to do things with her limited wheelchair and makes additions to it WITH THE HELP OF THE INVENTOR. Maybe Anu could make some overly ambitious mods at the start that malfunction and just hurt Fran more, and the both of them grow from this leading to Anu putting more care into her inventions and Fran, even though she can't have these insane contraptions that billionaires have, actually becoming someone interesting. Look, this probably sucks too, but I was at least interested in where it could go while writing it.

@@clairifedverified2513 no it a good idea. Which is why it didn't happen in the game

Ever watch a vampire movie that pretend being a vampire is bad yet presents absolutely no downside to being one? It's like that but with disabilities

kind of US right now?

@@karlostorres7745 no need to get political

@@ifeelcoke4347 I'm not into politics, it's just an observation... analogy if you prefer.

@@ifeelcoke4347 he means, ‘kind of like US, as in humanity’.

As someone who never really hated everything about Borderlands 3, as well as enjoyed some moments and ideas in New Tales from the Borderlands, I will admit that this was just rough. And I tend to have a more easy-going approach to things, as I feel like that's one of the healthier outlooks a fan can have on things (especially when there's plenty of examples of how it can become so rancid).

Did he stream this on twitch?

@@Nicofaster21 he streamed it on youtube. The full video is on his gaming channel "eruption fang gaming".

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Wish his design could've been less ugly though. When I saw the pictures I thought they've made a robot character that had a red weapons chest for a head.

It feels great

@@op_player7097 T-T

It already happened to me when i was 12-14 with cartoon network XD It’s depressing

Eh im becoming numb do it...

Yeah, she did just that. That's NOT how it works.

Same, I noticed that shit and was like, how did she do that, and secondly how the fuck can swim after considering we never see her do more fitness activity then punching things or operating devices. That shit is a major strain and can tire you quickly... and she just fought sharks, is holding a fucking person with one hand and managed to grab a leg while down there and still not only swim one handed while holding someone probably in shock without dropping said leg, but without a body used to heavy physical routines, she can swim paralyzed below the waist one handed and wade.. like... that women would be auditioning for a csi drown victim full time after

I saw it too. Yeah, she should have belly-flopped on the ledge and had to crawl in honestly, that much dead ass under her. They've ignored physics before though, this is after all a cartoon. Another thing is why aren't her legs atrophied a bit more? They look healthy.

@@kilderok remember, every single scene had multiple people work on it. Storyboarding, character modeling, the scene being rendered with vase model, then adding on details last. Meaning they all saw this, and none cared enough to question it

@@hossdelgado626 Apparently these fresh young creators all wrote marysue fanfic as kids and got told they were good writers for it.

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What what! Well I guess I will watch

Mere mortal it's just 2 hours. Watch the 10 hour video essays, those are incredibly amusing

@@hazelv.a.7976 watch the full play throughs of an rpg

@James Webb Word is Ric Spiegel is actually okay and good to do Zed again. But, no, please no, god no, don't give Gearbox ideas.

@James Webb Troy Baker (Rhys) wasn't just expensive, if i'm not wrong he just refused because Gearbox didn't want VA's to unionize

I grabbed alcohol too lol

Right? And there's even a Borderlands lore book coming out. They've only shown the first two pages, but they contain 2/3 retcons. Why would I pay to be mocked for caring about the narrative of a franchise?