Lets open Yamaha NS-777 speakers and makes it better. 777 same like 555.
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That hole for the tweeter is for air to escape. Likely pressure and cooling If they wanted it sealed, it would be sealed.
@BFArch0n3 жыл бұрын
Congratulations! You started on the same path I did 30 years ago and learned a few things along the way! If I may give you an advice, if you want to rework the crossover with better parts (air core inductors and Mylar capacitors) you would discover that the midrange and tweeter sound will improve. Also, Polyfill is not always the best material for damping speakers. Some acoustic foam around 12 millimeters thick could provide a better performance. To check if that works well, modify one speaker at a time and do a A-B comparison using a monophonic recording or pink noise. It will cost you more than a few dollars, but the reward could be amazing!
@yvesboutin56043 жыл бұрын
Hi, how about expandable construction foam? I would spray it, and then trim. Thanks
@rickcorel51543 жыл бұрын
@@rickcorel5154 I'm not sure if it will work because it hardens and its acoustical property are almost the same as wood or metal. Whatever you use must be 'spongy' or fibrous in nature for sound waves to be absorb and not radiate back in the enclosure. Foam of polyfill are the most used but you may try other products with sound proofing properties. Good luck!
@yvesboutin56043 жыл бұрын
I am waiting for my ns-777's to arrive. I don't want the feet sticking out as well. I am hoping to mount them inwards instead of outwards. I also ordered yamaha powered subwoofer so no need to get into the guts. Thanks for sharing, definitely worth a like.
@jacksmith30973 жыл бұрын
All right I said before that I will do the similar polyfill coating of the inside. And I did. Not as same as told in the you tube video.I cut the polyfill pieces much more bigger, I used much more polyfill and covered much more inside area. I also used the sponges already yamaha put. I covered the crossover circuit too. I put so much sguuezed polyfill in the medium driver's case. I didn't make anything to the tweeters. Ok. The basses became deeper as it comes from the back, you feel much more bass in your abdomenal innards. Much more improvement achieved in the mids. Mids became more clearer, less distortion. Thanks to the polyfill, thanks to my workmanship and struggle shame to the lazy Yamaha!
@atahuysal2 жыл бұрын
Эти колонки как ни улучшай, хорошего звука не дождёшься.
@user-cz8he9rx8d Жыл бұрын
I bought my 2 NS-777 on craigslist 9 years ago for like $150. Great speakers. The only thing, sun was on one of the speakers and laminate shrunk/distorted and came off on a side.
@Zeck885224 жыл бұрын
Polyfill adhered to the insides has no effect on standing waves, since that's where the pressure is highest but the speed of air approaches zero. For damping the actual enclosure panel's modes you need heavy mats, not a sponge. Enclosure panels look flimsy, so if you put your ear against it you will realize that actually the box emits as much sound as the speaker itself, which is not synonymous with HiFi. As the diaphragm moves, the box wants to move in the opposite direction, cannon and shell principle.That's why you want to anchor the speakers on spikes - to make it impossible for it to move. Spray the bead or your finger with window cleaner - it won't stick and you'll have a smooth joint, that you didn't really need in the first place. Why ? Because they are ported, hence the air follows the path of least resistance and flows through the resonator, well, below and above the tuning frequency, but that's beyond the scope of a short comment. In simple terms, no air will be forced through tiny gaps as it flows through the port easily. This also explains why they didn't bother to seal the back of the tweeter, although an airtight cup would normally be there with the detriment of increasing tweeter fundamental (Cms x Mms) resonance frequency. Crossover looks dirt cheap, and so does the speaker actually, lack of low frequency extension is a function of efficiency, they were made to play loud, not deep, end of.
@paulb46614 жыл бұрын
....these are very heavy speakers..unit is like 50kgs. Box is made out of thick panels. Yes,..base is not enough. Need a sub...with a sub its a beautiful sound unit. I have no complains,...Yes ..it can be played very loud...without distortion.
@CT-vl3iu3 жыл бұрын
@@CT-vl3iu NS777's weight is listed as 24kG each, which considering its size can hardly be described as heavy, rather standard. Not sure what you mean by base, but in terms of low frequency extension, or bass, there is a trade-off between LFE extension and efficiency inherent in every design, with balance tipped towards level rather than extension here. Adding a subwoofer to compensate for poor performance of main speakers in other areas seems bizarre to be honest.
@paulb46613 жыл бұрын
@@paulb4661 ...i prefer this unit with a sub,...that's my personal music preference...yours can be different.. and i respect that....
@CT-vl3iu3 жыл бұрын
@@CT-vl3iu Absolutely, I have added a sub as well to my speakers; two Peerless XLS10 drivers in push pull configuration firing into a 20L sealed enclosure with a dedicated, seaparately housed amplifier. It's terribly overdamped with the Qtc of 0.35 thus falling into the range of infinite baffle rather than classical acoustic suspension arrangement. Fc is around 35Hz and the frequency response has a -3dB point at around 90Hz. I've accomodated a low q compensation network tuned to 22Hz to linearize it and ended up with a flat -3dB curve between 15 and 45Hz. The rest of the low frequency range is covered by the speakers however with two differentialy tuned 6" woofers in individual sealed enclosures. The efficiency as a whole is only around 83dB/1W/1m, but that's the price for having a flat response with such an arrangement.
@paulb46613 жыл бұрын
From all yamaha floor speakers can to say NS-F160 its clear sound plus good strong and clear bass,and inside can to say its empty none any foams,some made just to look nice and crazy prise,still pay for name,good luck👍🏼
@donataspetrauskas97854 жыл бұрын
I just bought some nsf160 towers second hand, and they have foam in them down the bottom half in the middle. do yours have foam in them at all? from factory?
@icanseeall-inthisreality3 ай бұрын
Best part is: 11:00 :-D These YAMIS deserve much much more, since they are too bright sounding with those Nippon elcos on the crossovers at all, so change them with any type of MKPs, and listen! Note however, that the internal Monster brand cabling is good enough, just the box needs a little more reinforcements in the bass section, with some horizontal bracings, and they can be quite musical speakers at the end of the day for sure!
@viktork.87372 жыл бұрын
The question would be is it worth it with the sub? I have an active sub and also have bi amped the front. I have four of the same spekers back and front. Could you give me advice?
@Tight4Skin4 ай бұрын
Super Useful Information
@omsairam97283 жыл бұрын
Good job 👍...
@samuelsalins83094 жыл бұрын
Rispondi... è cambiato il suono ? Grazie
@areasostasp814 жыл бұрын
Very good. I will attempt this myself with my NS-555's. There is indeed a lack of low end. Hopefully the poly-fill will result in sound production as if the enclosure were larger in size.
@HybridBell4 жыл бұрын
Good point. I do have them paired with a YST-SW215 8” downfiring. However, I’ll give the polyfill a go if the bass response improvement is subtle yet noticeable. I just upgraded to the NS-555’s from a pair of NS-50F’s which actually had a bit more low end punch.
@HybridBell4 жыл бұрын
Hi Man, need your advise, Im about to get a pair NS777, but maybe the NS555 are the same great quality sound, just that NS777 gived more power. I got my ns333 and Im in love of its vivid sound that is whst i want. So, do you reccomend NS555 ?? Regards !!
@robertomanodepiedranomas42833 жыл бұрын
@@robertomanodepiedranomas4283 Hey mate. Neither speaker is known for good bass reproduction. I sold my NS555's early this year and replaced them with some 1975 Sansui SP1200's. The NS555's had reasonable mid range and highs, but lacked bass. I'd imagine the NS777's would go a tiny bit deeper, but still not much. You'd need a subwoofer if you wanted that low punch. You can't go wrong with either model but I'd probably recommend NS777 if you have the space.
@HybridBell3 жыл бұрын
@@HybridBell Good to read your comments. I do agree with thw low issues. And let me tell you thats why i own a subwoofer SW300, and soun great all together. For what you explain now Im sure Im in good direction. But is exactly matter of place (room) that it may be be the NS555. Sorry but let me ask you another question. with the subwoofer i have, youd consider eighter both could be the same ? Or yiu wold think that even do NS777 sond better with the subwoofer. Thanks Man.
@robertomanodepiedranomas42833 жыл бұрын
@@robertomanodepiedranomas4283 Both NS555 and NS777 would sound pretty similar. In terms of internals, the 555 and 777 are pretty much the same apart from the woofer size and minor crossover tweaks. Since I haven't owned the NS777, I couldn't tell you. My best assumption is they'd still sound pretty similar and lack low bass like many NS series Yamaha speakers. NS-SW300 is a great subwoofer and I think it will complement your speakers perfectly regardless if you choose 555 or 777. If size matters, I'd go NS555 since the 777's are quite big speakers. Since the speakers will only be handling the midbass - high frequency range, the NS555 would be fine since you are using a subwoofer to produce the lows.
@HybridBell3 жыл бұрын
Your stereo amp ???
@gunerozcan44773 жыл бұрын
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@ShrivalsonKandathaiPakir3 жыл бұрын
Подскажите у кто-нибудь сталкивался . Начала отклеиваться облицовка Думаю как востоновить и на что лутьше подклеить
@user-vr7il4jv7o3 жыл бұрын
I just bought these speakers I thing they sound Great the bass is large maybe a bit boomy depending on what's played. my opion and experience not saying I'm correct ,why wouldn't Yamaha not seal there speakers on the corners, if they leaked air you would feel the air escaping from the corners when turned up loud if you can't feel air escaping I dont see the point putting filler in all the corners maybe for re enforcement that's about it.A good test seal the port with a tennis ball and turn it up and see if you feel air escaping if you don't then the box is sealed. I know a leaking box does affect the sound ported or sealed, sealing it makes a big difference from my experience with building subwoofer boxes for cars.adding more material to the midrange I believe your changing the volume of air it was intended for and adding all the insulation inside changes the acoustics of the speaker and will alter the sound .I think maybe better quality backing might help like closed cell foam behind the speakers alone . Just my opinion but I guess ears will tell the end result.
@welding4003 жыл бұрын
I just got some of these second hand for a steal! They sound pretty good but they show up that my class D amplifier isn't the best for driving such speakers. I think they will sound much fuller with a decent amp when I can afford one. Sound ok though, just sound a little dull with the current amp (Aiyima A07). I'm thinking of getting a second Aiyima and running my old speakers just to crisp things up a bit.
@brendanhoffmann84022 ай бұрын
Interesting, I just uploaded a video where I found 2 boxes of ns-333's at the dump. I might be getting a set of these speakers at some stage to complement them. But I already have subs so probably won't do the change. Interesting to watch though 👍
@DIYDumpRat3 жыл бұрын
Tip to save the time, all of this is wonderful, but the key is just removing the two pieces of dark grey foam - one in each. Accessible from just temporarily removing the bottom woofer, removes damping and gives more bass, it was this which contributed to the improvement in low end response.
@rickysnit2163 Жыл бұрын
Любое повальное демпифирование(всех стенок) убивает напрочь звуковое давление правильное отражение от твердого тела (стенки колонок) искажает волну еще больше делая ее невнятной (звуковые волны притом поглощаются или исчезают вовсе вместе с искажениями от которых ты пытаешься избавится) колонка с завода была демпфирована правильно ты все испортил, лучше чем она поет с завода она петь не будет тебе надо менять АС для поднятия качества звука, помаялся дурью получил в басе громкую бочку мягкую,потерял все остальные ноты, "поздравляю" пройдет пару лет или выкинешь или вскроешь и вернешь все обратно!
@user-pm9lv3xx3b3 жыл бұрын
динамики и фильтр дешевые=качества звука уже не добиться
@user-ph1br3eo3e Жыл бұрын
I have a pair of NS-777 that I paid 25 dollars US in mint condition and I love them just the way they are.
@bigwolf287 Жыл бұрын
My viewer sent me such speakers for an upgrade. I'll be in my studio literally in a week. I will definitely upload the video to my channel. I will also make a kit for selling a new filter. I invite everyone who has such speakers !!!
@MasterskayaZvuka3 жыл бұрын
You will try to Nakamichi AV 10 amplifier
@kaziyagallery33113 жыл бұрын
la firma de estos parlantes tiene los agudos con mas respuesta que los graves solo hace falta una buena ecualización para compensarlo
@cristianm64372 жыл бұрын
What did you use to replace the feet?
@SuperCaptainMOo4 жыл бұрын
Just regular furniture feets. But i reccomend rubber feet. Better vibration isolation.
@silverbolt59434 жыл бұрын
ALR / Jordan 2x2.5 qmm speaker cable inside
@dls_se3 жыл бұрын
And at the metal reception I came across a box from 1 satellite from NS-333 only without a large speaker only High-frequency
@stels77762 жыл бұрын
тоже тмею такой комплект ) вот тоже бы надо заняться доработками)
@UNIVERSEofSOUND Жыл бұрын
Dude, you need to upgrade the crossovers. Check my audio clip after crossover upgrade. It will do more than this filling issue. Also bass reflex tube needs to be longer. Then you get the lowest bassnotes out from the yamahas.
@audiovesa65924 жыл бұрын
You don't actually show what and how you make these upgrades so why recommend it 😡
@wrighrw24 жыл бұрын
Como veo al final del video, los parlantes estan mal ubicados, tenes que separarlos de la pared y las esquinas al menos 20cm...
@dertaba3 жыл бұрын
I was going to buy and i wont for sure thnx bro !!
@ramin30803 жыл бұрын
Hi I will build a 7.2 system with 2 subwoofers. the speakers i want are Taga Harmony TAV-807F Pair of Hi-Fi Floor Speakers 180W 3 Ways and for center channel side and rear sound the same Taga Harmony TAV-807F. subwoofer I don't know how many watts and inches, I will have to ask what is better after TAV 807F. Amplifier. Yamaha RX-A2A Home Cinema 4K/8K 7.2 Channel Amplifier 125W/8Ω 160W/6Ω with HDR and Dolby Atmos Black. I choose this one because it has 160 watts at 6 Ω. the colour of the speaker is probably white or brown. I am exactly 3000 euros.then I want a 4ķ bluray player and projector and im ready. ( now I'm thinking if the yamaha Yamaha NS-777 sounds better from Taga Harmony TAV-807F or about the same level ) it's hard to decide
@therisingofthegreekshieldh8053 Жыл бұрын
Hi man. Just change crossovers on most qualified with nonpolar capacitors , and tweeters ,like as it did i'am. After ,your sounds will much better! :)
@UserLightYearUserovich3 жыл бұрын
better capcitor have you good results
@oldscoolhifichannelgmh35749 ай бұрын
Well. If you want something done right, you gotta do it your self.
@nicknick81604 жыл бұрын
For the price of the pair of the Yamahas, I buy the tools and materials and make my own boxes. Not only a pair, many pairs.
@fsmaia27 күн бұрын
Nice work my friend, and your son sounds like a Chipmunk 😂...but you have a Yamaha bass bin, or did you get the bass later on?
@Baking_Baker5 ай бұрын
if you left 30 cm from the wall and put little foam around the speakers before you put is better no air get out from around the speaker!!!!!!
@theofanisntokos3 жыл бұрын
Единственный косяк в этих колонках это среднечастотный динамик его пластмассовый корпус даёт сильный призвук поэтому его нужно за демпфировать полностью вибропластом и внутрь уже положить немного синтепона Ну тогда он зазвучит просто супер!!!!!!
@user-nc7lf8di5m2 жыл бұрын
я так и сделал,а внутренее деммпифирование колонки не к чему паралон еще нужно верхний выкинуть!!!!!!!!!!
@user-nc7lf8di5m2 жыл бұрын
лучше выбросить пластмасс и перегородить отдельный отсек?.. Для СЧ?
@user-ph1br3eo3e Жыл бұрын
In the Russian-language KZhead there is such a channel Stalker that made a complete diagnosis of these speakers and they turn out to be very good
@stels77762 жыл бұрын
Самое прикольное,что звук или изменится в худшую сторону или вообще не поменяется.🤔
@Vadyunya754 жыл бұрын
Мне кажется вообще не поменяется, но со средним динамиком он это зря сделал
@Vladimir_kravchenko3 жыл бұрын
@@Vladimir_kravchenko Коту заняться не чем...
@sergeyportov50463 жыл бұрын
это называется - кому не Х....й делать !))))
@user-it3ih9ed2c3 жыл бұрын
хуже быть не можеть Yamaha NS-777 total crap
@alexanderkostyuk755 Жыл бұрын
Ну да, на заводе Ямаха *дураки* же работают, не задемфировали
@user-qz9ks4sk1y3 жыл бұрын
Should have glued something soft to the mid-range speakers around the perimeter of the cup It necessary to glue something soft to the midrange speakers around the perimeter of the cup.
@stels77762 жыл бұрын
Bass was low with 4 8 inch woofers?! Really?
@danielm.435910 күн бұрын
Вы не сделали главное - вы не заменили конденсаторы кроссовера. Если их заменить -вук СЧ и ВЧ - улучшается СУЩЕСТВЕННО. Разборчивать ВЧ становится на уровне Хай Энд.
@consumerreview146310 ай бұрын
Its open box, you dont need proofing. You take off volume and hight change rezonans box
@urzydkownik333 жыл бұрын
Why not, polyfill can prevent mid and treble coming out of the port and reflect on the wall behind the speakers. Resonance frequency may be increased a bit so it will produce louder bass (at the cost of less bass extension). These speakers extend to 30Hz by specs and most music do not have frequencies around 30Hz anyway.
@quananginh94462 жыл бұрын
Its not light, if you have to much middle frequently use equalizer, or use somthing small like synthetic rubber. Air volume ist most importan in this type speakers. Remember about corect position speakers and listener in the room.
@Dominik-cx4rb2 жыл бұрын
I have read some comments written about the comparison of NS 777 and NS 555's. How could they say that they have the similar sounds? NS777's have two 8" woofers but the NS555's, on the contrary, 6". of coyrse the the basses would be weakernin NS55's...
@atahuysal2 жыл бұрын
Это комод, трюмо или шкафчик???
@bradleystrider88794 жыл бұрын
Эта акустика для кинотеатра... А если уж затеялись усовершенствовать ,то динамики надо было сажать на резиновые прокладки ? Не ставьте на них ничего. Эффект улучшения чисто психологический , но если хозяину так лучше , значит он прав ! Молодчина .
@user-SINUS2 жыл бұрын
Jak to Yamaha na zewnątrz ładnie a w środku tandetne głośniki trzeba było wymienić głośniki tylko na taką samą moc
@kepinskidaniel15214 жыл бұрын
На какие поменяли?
@Vladimir_zhiva.2 жыл бұрын
Your speaker tower is in wrong position, its tooo close to the wall
@aswinsura38513 жыл бұрын
Check where these speakers are made. If they are made somewhere else than Japan, then they are crap, but if they are made in Japan, they should sound good.
@juliannemicallef30593 жыл бұрын
И как теперь их покупать?
@user-rj4mx3dr4i4 жыл бұрын
Не глядя)
@alexanderchuvaev40174 жыл бұрын
Я выбирал между Ямахой 777 и Магнат 2002, выбрал Магнат, звучит натурально с хорошим глубоким басом .
@alexgx9104 жыл бұрын
The problem is not the spekers... the av reciver its the problem... problema non sono le casse.. ho cambiatto il vechio amp (anni 70-80) per un av reciver, gli bassi sono spariti. Con il vechio amp spacavo le finestre... con il av reciver da yamaha rxd485 no ho piu gli bassi..
@filipmarius51543 жыл бұрын
Io avrei cambiato anche quei condensatori del crossover scadenti, per una migliore qualità del suono.
@Antonello.C4 ай бұрын
Ilmselt tead sa rohkem kui yamaha insenerid.
@mehine23 жыл бұрын
Bel lavoro... è cambiato tanto il suono ? Secondo me dovevi cambiare anche il filtro crossover. E' vergognoso che Yamaha faccia un assemblaggio così schifoso.... bravo
кроссовер просто шедевр. за демпфировал хорошо но кроссовер это жалкое зрелище.
@user-el4eu4rw2v4 жыл бұрын
А вот кроссовер я буквально через неделю буду апгрейдитЬ: зритель выслал мне такие колонки на апгрейд. Так что будет видео ролик про это на моем канале.
@MasterskayaZvuka3 жыл бұрын
you don't need to do it in the mid-range speaker.
@AG-yz1hs3 жыл бұрын
Use stereo amplifier u will get better bass, dont except better bass from av recivers coz they dont give better bass also av recivers concept only movie not music so u use good stereo amp, no need subwoofer.
@kotreshbs68732 жыл бұрын
Good video, bad speakers! low quality crossover speaker housing and assembly , you get what you pay for.
@mehrshad743 жыл бұрын
Let's change those el-cheapo caps and this baby will start to sing for real! ;)
@viktork.87373 жыл бұрын
What a Shame to yamaha... In my country (in Turkey) now they are sold at circa 1000 euro price and the yamaha was too lazy to even coat the inside of the tower speakers with polyfill!!! shame shame shame... and I strongly condemn Yamaha's this shame. I have also these speakers and I am gonna to do this same polyfill coating for them. I will share the results as soon as I have finished the job and make the comparison A - B speakers test. Thank you ver very much for this video and the youtube facility. the world wouldn't be the same after this internet revolution!!!
@atahuysal2 жыл бұрын
Друг, добавляя звукопоглощающий материал вы меняете резонансную частоту корпуса и это может иметь очень сильные негативные последствия. Нет никакого позора. Почитайте пару книг об акустике. Дадеко не все компании вообще применяют звукопоглотитесь.
@consumerreview146310 ай бұрын
Фазоинвертор сзади.не имею знаний но от стены расстояние надо соблюсти .я думал по кусочку синтепона прикрепить сзади динамиков а тут чел такого наворотил.сзади пищалок вентиляцию заклеил.я вообще в ахуе.
@Vitaliy-bp2ss4 жыл бұрын
Он просто еще молод глуп и не ведает что творит!
@user-pm9lv3xx3b3 жыл бұрын
и звук координально поменялся ахахахахаха😆
@user-tc9xy1fz6l Жыл бұрын
These are ported and as so do not need filled everywhere with foam filler, in fact you just detuned your speakers, you want the air to move around in a ported enclosure, I wasn't aware these speakers were ported until mine arrived today, I have them hooked up to a Kenwood KA-80 Stereo amp and the bass is beautiful, I think you just have a cheap Amplifier or poor hearing 🤷
@wrighrw24 жыл бұрын
Вот значит как. Выходит японцы разрабы в Ямахе дураки, и не сделали на заводе того, что у себя в гараже Вася доделал. Давайте тогда и в мотиках Ямаха чего-нибудь доделаем, карбюратор там.
@ndpunk704 Жыл бұрын
это китай-колхоз-строй-разве не заметили? Дешевый фильтр и динамики... Японцы высшего класса-А.С=капитально проклеивают корпуса войлоком...
@user-ph1br3eo3e Жыл бұрын
японские это были до 1990, а астольное шлак
@alexanderkostyuk755 Жыл бұрын
the baby 🤣
@hernanr434810 ай бұрын
Mister, isolate the upper section from the bass section. Get rid of the midrange woofer from the cap. And make the back of the wall of the upper compartment open, let the midrange speaker be in the open air. Install a rectangular plastic grille on top of the case so that it hides the hole.
@user-hu4ez6ew2q Жыл бұрын
I could’ve built a house with that amount of work 🥴🥴🥴 maybe just buy slightly better speakers
@MrGfunk2153 жыл бұрын
Allready buyed. Old video and mod. But yes, better is buy new speaker.
@silverbolt59433 жыл бұрын
That crossover is a joke
@digitalvinyls35444 ай бұрын
Я в шоке! Отдай 50000 рублей и еще доробатывать!?!?!?
@user-rj4mx3dr4i4 жыл бұрын
По моему люди (чел в видео) просто не понимают что делают. Если бы надо было то инженеры бы так и сделали сразу. Даже в колонках которые стоят тысячи евро за штуку не всегда есть такая изоляции внутри. И на то есть причины. После такой переделки они просто звучат по другому. А человек решает для себя что это лучше чем было. Чтоб действительно выявить лучше\хуже, то надо производить замеры до и после. Но не ухом а прибором.
@th0ut4 жыл бұрын
Не маловажым является правильная акустика помещения в которой стоят колонки. Даже средние колонки начнут звучать лучше если комната соответственно подготовлена. Даже положение колонок играет роль. В видео колонки стоят чуть ли не к сетене впритык. Это просто п****ц!
@th0ut4 жыл бұрын
Хорошая акустика за свои деньги, кто бы что не говорил. Владею 555, перебрал кучу ресиверов, ни с одним прям музыкально они не заиграли, а вот топовыми двух канальными усилителями просто песня, прям все жанры поют. Очень сильно влияет помещение на качество звука, практически 50% звука это комната. А на видео они стоят с полным нарушением по требованию к установке. Так ни одна акустика нормально не заиграет. Никогда не понимал людей, которые о качестве звука судят глазами. По тому, что видят внутри. Это не блестит, мол это не будет играть, не понимая физических принципов звука и тока, не зная закона ома и уж тем более, как устроен фильтр в акустике. Инженеры далеко не дураки и создали вполне качественный продукт в бюджетном сегменте HI-FI. Просто не у каждого покупателя хватает ума подобрать правильный усилитель и организовать комнату и расположение акустики.
@user-se1lg1um7t4 жыл бұрын
Заполняет синтепоном, правильно. Лучше скомбинировать синтепон, войлок на заднюю стенку и акустическую вату под ВЧ. Этот пластмассовый кожух СЧ я бы вообще выкинул. Если и нужна перегородка, то на крайний случай из ДСП, ее тоже обложить синтепоном. Производитель, как правило, не сильно заморачивается, так-что проводка и заполнение корпусов - дело каждого. Это ручная работа, в пром. масштабах слишком дорогая. Колонки были бы гораздо дороже. Но, вобщем, чем дороже колонка, тем больше там наполнителя.
@user-di9kq2vs1c4 жыл бұрын
К сожалению это часть интерьера а не акустической системы.
@user-ws8dd4pz8k4 жыл бұрын
колхоз
@MichaelFront4 жыл бұрын
scheiß Qualität
@Online-Trading-2 жыл бұрын
Они не стоят столько денег.
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That hole for the tweeter is for air to escape. Likely pressure and cooling If they wanted it sealed, it would be sealed.
Congratulations! You started on the same path I did 30 years ago and learned a few things along the way! If I may give you an advice, if you want to rework the crossover with better parts (air core inductors and Mylar capacitors) you would discover that the midrange and tweeter sound will improve. Also, Polyfill is not always the best material for damping speakers. Some acoustic foam around 12 millimeters thick could provide a better performance. To check if that works well, modify one speaker at a time and do a A-B comparison using a monophonic recording or pink noise. It will cost you more than a few dollars, but the reward could be amazing!
Hi, how about expandable construction foam? I would spray it, and then trim. Thanks
@@rickcorel5154 I'm not sure if it will work because it hardens and its acoustical property are almost the same as wood or metal. Whatever you use must be 'spongy' or fibrous in nature for sound waves to be absorb and not radiate back in the enclosure. Foam of polyfill are the most used but you may try other products with sound proofing properties. Good luck!
I am waiting for my ns-777's to arrive. I don't want the feet sticking out as well. I am hoping to mount them inwards instead of outwards. I also ordered yamaha powered subwoofer so no need to get into the guts. Thanks for sharing, definitely worth a like.
All right I said before that I will do the similar polyfill coating of the inside. And I did. Not as same as told in the you tube video.I cut the polyfill pieces much more bigger, I used much more polyfill and covered much more inside area. I also used the sponges already yamaha put. I covered the crossover circuit too. I put so much sguuezed polyfill in the medium driver's case. I didn't make anything to the tweeters. Ok. The basses became deeper as it comes from the back, you feel much more bass in your abdomenal innards. Much more improvement achieved in the mids. Mids became more clearer, less distortion. Thanks to the polyfill, thanks to my workmanship and struggle shame to the lazy Yamaha!
Эти колонки как ни улучшай, хорошего звука не дождёшься.
I bought my 2 NS-777 on craigslist 9 years ago for like $150. Great speakers. The only thing, sun was on one of the speakers and laminate shrunk/distorted and came off on a side.
Polyfill adhered to the insides has no effect on standing waves, since that's where the pressure is highest but the speed of air approaches zero. For damping the actual enclosure panel's modes you need heavy mats, not a sponge. Enclosure panels look flimsy, so if you put your ear against it you will realize that actually the box emits as much sound as the speaker itself, which is not synonymous with HiFi. As the diaphragm moves, the box wants to move in the opposite direction, cannon and shell principle.That's why you want to anchor the speakers on spikes - to make it impossible for it to move. Spray the bead or your finger with window cleaner - it won't stick and you'll have a smooth joint, that you didn't really need in the first place. Why ? Because they are ported, hence the air follows the path of least resistance and flows through the resonator, well, below and above the tuning frequency, but that's beyond the scope of a short comment. In simple terms, no air will be forced through tiny gaps as it flows through the port easily. This also explains why they didn't bother to seal the back of the tweeter, although an airtight cup would normally be there with the detriment of increasing tweeter fundamental (Cms x Mms) resonance frequency. Crossover looks dirt cheap, and so does the speaker actually, lack of low frequency extension is a function of efficiency, they were made to play loud, not deep, end of.
....these are very heavy speakers..unit is like 50kgs. Box is made out of thick panels. Yes,..base is not enough. Need a sub...with a sub its a beautiful sound unit. I have no complains,...Yes ..it can be played very loud...without distortion.
@@CT-vl3iu NS777's weight is listed as 24kG each, which considering its size can hardly be described as heavy, rather standard. Not sure what you mean by base, but in terms of low frequency extension, or bass, there is a trade-off between LFE extension and efficiency inherent in every design, with balance tipped towards level rather than extension here. Adding a subwoofer to compensate for poor performance of main speakers in other areas seems bizarre to be honest.
@@paulb4661 ...i prefer this unit with a sub,...that's my personal music preference...yours can be different.. and i respect that....
@@CT-vl3iu Absolutely, I have added a sub as well to my speakers; two Peerless XLS10 drivers in push pull configuration firing into a 20L sealed enclosure with a dedicated, seaparately housed amplifier. It's terribly overdamped with the Qtc of 0.35 thus falling into the range of infinite baffle rather than classical acoustic suspension arrangement. Fc is around 35Hz and the frequency response has a -3dB point at around 90Hz. I've accomodated a low q compensation network tuned to 22Hz to linearize it and ended up with a flat -3dB curve between 15 and 45Hz. The rest of the low frequency range is covered by the speakers however with two differentialy tuned 6" woofers in individual sealed enclosures. The efficiency as a whole is only around 83dB/1W/1m, but that's the price for having a flat response with such an arrangement.
From all yamaha floor speakers can to say NS-F160 its clear sound plus good strong and clear bass,and inside can to say its empty none any foams,some made just to look nice and crazy prise,still pay for name,good luck👍🏼
I just bought some nsf160 towers second hand, and they have foam in them down the bottom half in the middle. do yours have foam in them at all? from factory?
Best part is: 11:00 :-D These YAMIS deserve much much more, since they are too bright sounding with those Nippon elcos on the crossovers at all, so change them with any type of MKPs, and listen! Note however, that the internal Monster brand cabling is good enough, just the box needs a little more reinforcements in the bass section, with some horizontal bracings, and they can be quite musical speakers at the end of the day for sure!
The question would be is it worth it with the sub? I have an active sub and also have bi amped the front. I have four of the same spekers back and front. Could you give me advice?
Super Useful Information
Good job 👍...
Rispondi... è cambiato il suono ? Grazie
Very good. I will attempt this myself with my NS-555's. There is indeed a lack of low end. Hopefully the poly-fill will result in sound production as if the enclosure were larger in size.
Good point. I do have them paired with a YST-SW215 8” downfiring. However, I’ll give the polyfill a go if the bass response improvement is subtle yet noticeable. I just upgraded to the NS-555’s from a pair of NS-50F’s which actually had a bit more low end punch.
Hi Man, need your advise, Im about to get a pair NS777, but maybe the NS555 are the same great quality sound, just that NS777 gived more power. I got my ns333 and Im in love of its vivid sound that is whst i want. So, do you reccomend NS555 ?? Regards !!
@@robertomanodepiedranomas4283 Hey mate. Neither speaker is known for good bass reproduction. I sold my NS555's early this year and replaced them with some 1975 Sansui SP1200's. The NS555's had reasonable mid range and highs, but lacked bass. I'd imagine the NS777's would go a tiny bit deeper, but still not much. You'd need a subwoofer if you wanted that low punch. You can't go wrong with either model but I'd probably recommend NS777 if you have the space.
@@HybridBell Good to read your comments. I do agree with thw low issues. And let me tell you thats why i own a subwoofer SW300, and soun great all together. For what you explain now Im sure Im in good direction. But is exactly matter of place (room) that it may be be the NS555. Sorry but let me ask you another question. with the subwoofer i have, youd consider eighter both could be the same ? Or yiu wold think that even do NS777 sond better with the subwoofer. Thanks Man.
@@robertomanodepiedranomas4283 Both NS555 and NS777 would sound pretty similar. In terms of internals, the 555 and 777 are pretty much the same apart from the woofer size and minor crossover tweaks. Since I haven't owned the NS777, I couldn't tell you. My best assumption is they'd still sound pretty similar and lack low bass like many NS series Yamaha speakers. NS-SW300 is a great subwoofer and I think it will complement your speakers perfectly regardless if you choose 555 or 777. If size matters, I'd go NS555 since the 777's are quite big speakers. Since the speakers will only be handling the midbass - high frequency range, the NS555 would be fine since you are using a subwoofer to produce the lows.
Your stereo amp ???
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I just bought these speakers I thing they sound Great the bass is large maybe a bit boomy depending on what's played. my opion and experience not saying I'm correct ,why wouldn't Yamaha not seal there speakers on the corners, if they leaked air you would feel the air escaping from the corners when turned up loud if you can't feel air escaping I dont see the point putting filler in all the corners maybe for re enforcement that's about it.A good test seal the port with a tennis ball and turn it up and see if you feel air escaping if you don't then the box is sealed. I know a leaking box does affect the sound ported or sealed, sealing it makes a big difference from my experience with building subwoofer boxes for cars.adding more material to the midrange I believe your changing the volume of air it was intended for and adding all the insulation inside changes the acoustics of the speaker and will alter the sound .I think maybe better quality backing might help like closed cell foam behind the speakers alone . Just my opinion but I guess ears will tell the end result.
I just got some of these second hand for a steal! They sound pretty good but they show up that my class D amplifier isn't the best for driving such speakers. I think they will sound much fuller with a decent amp when I can afford one. Sound ok though, just sound a little dull with the current amp (Aiyima A07). I'm thinking of getting a second Aiyima and running my old speakers just to crisp things up a bit.
Interesting, I just uploaded a video where I found 2 boxes of ns-333's at the dump. I might be getting a set of these speakers at some stage to complement them. But I already have subs so probably won't do the change. Interesting to watch though 👍
Tip to save the time, all of this is wonderful, but the key is just removing the two pieces of dark grey foam - one in each. Accessible from just temporarily removing the bottom woofer, removes damping and gives more bass, it was this which contributed to the improvement in low end response.
Любое повальное демпифирование(всех стенок) убивает напрочь звуковое давление правильное отражение от твердого тела (стенки колонок) искажает волну еще больше делая ее невнятной (звуковые волны притом поглощаются или исчезают вовсе вместе с искажениями от которых ты пытаешься избавится) колонка с завода была демпфирована правильно ты все испортил, лучше чем она поет с завода она петь не будет тебе надо менять АС для поднятия качества звука, помаялся дурью получил в басе громкую бочку мягкую,потерял все остальные ноты, "поздравляю" пройдет пару лет или выкинешь или вскроешь и вернешь все обратно!
динамики и фильтр дешевые=качества звука уже не добиться
I have a pair of NS-777 that I paid 25 dollars US in mint condition and I love them just the way they are.
My viewer sent me such speakers for an upgrade. I'll be in my studio literally in a week. I will definitely upload the video to my channel. I will also make a kit for selling a new filter. I invite everyone who has such speakers !!!
You will try to Nakamichi AV 10 amplifier
la firma de estos parlantes tiene los agudos con mas respuesta que los graves solo hace falta una buena ecualización para compensarlo
What did you use to replace the feet?
Just regular furniture feets. But i reccomend rubber feet. Better vibration isolation.
ALR / Jordan 2x2.5 qmm speaker cable inside
And at the metal reception I came across a box from 1 satellite from NS-333 only without a large speaker only High-frequency
тоже тмею такой комплект ) вот тоже бы надо заняться доработками)
Dude, you need to upgrade the crossovers. Check my audio clip after crossover upgrade. It will do more than this filling issue. Also bass reflex tube needs to be longer. Then you get the lowest bassnotes out from the yamahas.
You don't actually show what and how you make these upgrades so why recommend it 😡
Como veo al final del video, los parlantes estan mal ubicados, tenes que separarlos de la pared y las esquinas al menos 20cm...
I was going to buy and i wont for sure thnx bro !!
Hi I will build a 7.2 system with 2 subwoofers. the speakers i want are Taga Harmony TAV-807F Pair of Hi-Fi Floor Speakers 180W 3 Ways and for center channel side and rear sound the same Taga Harmony TAV-807F. subwoofer I don't know how many watts and inches, I will have to ask what is better after TAV 807F. Amplifier. Yamaha RX-A2A Home Cinema 4K/8K 7.2 Channel Amplifier 125W/8Ω 160W/6Ω with HDR and Dolby Atmos Black. I choose this one because it has 160 watts at 6 Ω. the colour of the speaker is probably white or brown. I am exactly 3000 euros.then I want a 4ķ bluray player and projector and im ready. ( now I'm thinking if the yamaha Yamaha NS-777 sounds better from Taga Harmony TAV-807F or about the same level ) it's hard to decide
Hi man. Just change crossovers on most qualified with nonpolar capacitors , and tweeters ,like as it did i'am. After ,your sounds will much better! :)
better capcitor have you good results
Well. If you want something done right, you gotta do it your self.
For the price of the pair of the Yamahas, I buy the tools and materials and make my own boxes. Not only a pair, many pairs.
Nice work my friend, and your son sounds like a Chipmunk 😂...but you have a Yamaha bass bin, or did you get the bass later on?
if you left 30 cm from the wall and put little foam around the speakers before you put is better no air get out from around the speaker!!!!!!
Единственный косяк в этих колонках это среднечастотный динамик его пластмассовый корпус даёт сильный призвук поэтому его нужно за демпфировать полностью вибропластом и внутрь уже положить немного синтепона Ну тогда он зазвучит просто супер!!!!!!
я так и сделал,а внутренее деммпифирование колонки не к чему паралон еще нужно верхний выкинуть!!!!!!!!!!
лучше выбросить пластмасс и перегородить отдельный отсек?.. Для СЧ?
In the Russian-language KZhead there is such a channel Stalker that made a complete diagnosis of these speakers and they turn out to be very good
Самое прикольное,что звук или изменится в худшую сторону или вообще не поменяется.🤔
Мне кажется вообще не поменяется, но со средним динамиком он это зря сделал
@@Vladimir_kravchenko Коту заняться не чем...
это называется - кому не Х....й делать !))))
хуже быть не можеть Yamaha NS-777 total crap
Ну да, на заводе Ямаха *дураки* же работают, не задемфировали
Should have glued something soft to the mid-range speakers around the perimeter of the cup It necessary to glue something soft to the midrange speakers around the perimeter of the cup.
Bass was low with 4 8 inch woofers?! Really?
Вы не сделали главное - вы не заменили конденсаторы кроссовера. Если их заменить -вук СЧ и ВЧ - улучшается СУЩЕСТВЕННО. Разборчивать ВЧ становится на уровне Хай Энд.
Its open box, you dont need proofing. You take off volume and hight change rezonans box
Why not, polyfill can prevent mid and treble coming out of the port and reflect on the wall behind the speakers. Resonance frequency may be increased a bit so it will produce louder bass (at the cost of less bass extension). These speakers extend to 30Hz by specs and most music do not have frequencies around 30Hz anyway.
Its not light, if you have to much middle frequently use equalizer, or use somthing small like synthetic rubber. Air volume ist most importan in this type speakers. Remember about corect position speakers and listener in the room.
I have read some comments written about the comparison of NS 777 and NS 555's. How could they say that they have the similar sounds? NS777's have two 8" woofers but the NS555's, on the contrary, 6". of coyrse the the basses would be weakernin NS55's...
Это комод, трюмо или шкафчик???
Эта акустика для кинотеатра... А если уж затеялись усовершенствовать ,то динамики надо было сажать на резиновые прокладки ? Не ставьте на них ничего. Эффект улучшения чисто психологический , но если хозяину так лучше , значит он прав ! Молодчина .
Jak to Yamaha na zewnątrz ładnie a w środku tandetne głośniki trzeba było wymienić głośniki tylko na taką samą moc
На какие поменяли?
Your speaker tower is in wrong position, its tooo close to the wall
Check where these speakers are made. If they are made somewhere else than Japan, then they are crap, but if they are made in Japan, they should sound good.
И как теперь их покупать?
Не глядя)
Я выбирал между Ямахой 777 и Магнат 2002, выбрал Магнат, звучит натурально с хорошим глубоким басом .
The problem is not the spekers... the av reciver its the problem... problema non sono le casse.. ho cambiatto il vechio amp (anni 70-80) per un av reciver, gli bassi sono spariti. Con il vechio amp spacavo le finestre... con il av reciver da yamaha rxd485 no ho piu gli bassi..
Io avrei cambiato anche quei condensatori del crossover scadenti, per una migliore qualità del suono.
Ilmselt tead sa rohkem kui yamaha insenerid.
Bel lavoro... è cambiato tanto il suono ? Secondo me dovevi cambiare anche il filtro crossover. E' vergognoso che Yamaha faccia un assemblaggio così schifoso.... bravo
YAMAHA : NS 777 ; NEW - MODEL : 2.000 WATTS - POTÊNCIA : CONTROLLER ~ AMPLIFIER ; IMPEDÂNCIA : 120HZ ~ 20KHZ ; OHMS ; TOP : SPEAKERS ; HOJE ; 2023 ~ 2024 ; QUALITY : SOM : LIMPO ! : AUDÍVEL ! ; YAMAHA : MUSICAL : INSTRUMENTS .
кроссовер просто шедевр. за демпфировал хорошо но кроссовер это жалкое зрелище.
А вот кроссовер я буквально через неделю буду апгрейдитЬ: зритель выслал мне такие колонки на апгрейд. Так что будет видео ролик про это на моем канале.
you don't need to do it in the mid-range speaker.
Use stereo amplifier u will get better bass, dont except better bass from av recivers coz they dont give better bass also av recivers concept only movie not music so u use good stereo amp, no need subwoofer.
Good video, bad speakers! low quality crossover speaker housing and assembly , you get what you pay for.
Let's change those el-cheapo caps and this baby will start to sing for real! ;)
What a Shame to yamaha... In my country (in Turkey) now they are sold at circa 1000 euro price and the yamaha was too lazy to even coat the inside of the tower speakers with polyfill!!! shame shame shame... and I strongly condemn Yamaha's this shame. I have also these speakers and I am gonna to do this same polyfill coating for them. I will share the results as soon as I have finished the job and make the comparison A - B speakers test. Thank you ver very much for this video and the youtube facility. the world wouldn't be the same after this internet revolution!!!
Друг, добавляя звукопоглощающий материал вы меняете резонансную частоту корпуса и это может иметь очень сильные негативные последствия. Нет никакого позора. Почитайте пару книг об акустике. Дадеко не все компании вообще применяют звукопоглотитесь.
Фазоинвертор сзади.не имею знаний но от стены расстояние надо соблюсти .я думал по кусочку синтепона прикрепить сзади динамиков а тут чел такого наворотил.сзади пищалок вентиляцию заклеил.я вообще в ахуе.
Он просто еще молод глуп и не ведает что творит!
и звук координально поменялся ахахахахаха😆
These are ported and as so do not need filled everywhere with foam filler, in fact you just detuned your speakers, you want the air to move around in a ported enclosure, I wasn't aware these speakers were ported until mine arrived today, I have them hooked up to a Kenwood KA-80 Stereo amp and the bass is beautiful, I think you just have a cheap Amplifier or poor hearing 🤷
Вот значит как. Выходит японцы разрабы в Ямахе дураки, и не сделали на заводе того, что у себя в гараже Вася доделал. Давайте тогда и в мотиках Ямаха чего-нибудь доделаем, карбюратор там.
это китай-колхоз-строй-разве не заметили? Дешевый фильтр и динамики... Японцы высшего класса-А.С=капитально проклеивают корпуса войлоком...
японские это были до 1990, а астольное шлак
the baby 🤣
Mister, isolate the upper section from the bass section. Get rid of the midrange woofer from the cap. And make the back of the wall of the upper compartment open, let the midrange speaker be in the open air. Install a rectangular plastic grille on top of the case so that it hides the hole.
I could’ve built a house with that amount of work 🥴🥴🥴 maybe just buy slightly better speakers
Allready buyed. Old video and mod. But yes, better is buy new speaker.
That crossover is a joke
Я в шоке! Отдай 50000 рублей и еще доробатывать!?!?!?
По моему люди (чел в видео) просто не понимают что делают. Если бы надо было то инженеры бы так и сделали сразу. Даже в колонках которые стоят тысячи евро за штуку не всегда есть такая изоляции внутри. И на то есть причины. После такой переделки они просто звучат по другому. А человек решает для себя что это лучше чем было. Чтоб действительно выявить лучше\хуже, то надо производить замеры до и после. Но не ухом а прибором.
Не маловажым является правильная акустика помещения в которой стоят колонки. Даже средние колонки начнут звучать лучше если комната соответственно подготовлена. Даже положение колонок играет роль. В видео колонки стоят чуть ли не к сетене впритык. Это просто п****ц!
Хорошая акустика за свои деньги, кто бы что не говорил. Владею 555, перебрал кучу ресиверов, ни с одним прям музыкально они не заиграли, а вот топовыми двух канальными усилителями просто песня, прям все жанры поют. Очень сильно влияет помещение на качество звука, практически 50% звука это комната. А на видео они стоят с полным нарушением по требованию к установке. Так ни одна акустика нормально не заиграет. Никогда не понимал людей, которые о качестве звука судят глазами. По тому, что видят внутри. Это не блестит, мол это не будет играть, не понимая физических принципов звука и тока, не зная закона ома и уж тем более, как устроен фильтр в акустике. Инженеры далеко не дураки и создали вполне качественный продукт в бюджетном сегменте HI-FI. Просто не у каждого покупателя хватает ума подобрать правильный усилитель и организовать комнату и расположение акустики.
Заполняет синтепоном, правильно. Лучше скомбинировать синтепон, войлок на заднюю стенку и акустическую вату под ВЧ. Этот пластмассовый кожух СЧ я бы вообще выкинул. Если и нужна перегородка, то на крайний случай из ДСП, ее тоже обложить синтепоном. Производитель, как правило, не сильно заморачивается, так-что проводка и заполнение корпусов - дело каждого. Это ручная работа, в пром. масштабах слишком дорогая. Колонки были бы гораздо дороже. Но, вобщем, чем дороже колонка, тем больше там наполнителя.
К сожалению это часть интерьера а не акустической системы.
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