Shamokin Fire Bureau - Firehouse Winery - 2nd Alarm Commercial - 4K
SFB - Onscene - 4/21/24 - READ Further For More Details .. View In "HD"
You are on scene with the Shamokin Fire Bureau as the operate on a Commercial Building Fire on Sunbury St. in the city.
The building is known as Firehouse Winery, and was originally built and used by the Liberty Hose Company #2 for decades.
The building was well involved on arrival of fire units, and a 2nd. Alarm was quickly struck. Out of town ladder companies assisted, and the fire was quickly knocked down. Then extensive overhaul began.
No injuries were reported in this fire.
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Former firefighter and safety officer. I utilized the deck gun every situation that allowed for a deck gun attack. Knocks the fire down quick if not completely and less hose to screw with.
Deck gun was wanted by command but was out of service ... That radio traffic didn't male the video. It was why I started running after starting the video as I figured quick knockdown ...
Organized, rapid response and an extra shout out to our woman on site! Training, training, training.....and a HUGE dose of passion for your community. I grew up in a rural volunteer FF home and know how many hours are behind every turnout. Naysayers, nitpickers stop and think before you lash out: under 3 mins. I saw steam and that stopped what could have been the whole block. Thank you to all!
Amen brother ...
Theres a bunch of them. That's awesome to see.
lol was waiting for the mom and kids to start pulling the supply line! LOL Gotta love the vollys
All in the family! :)
As a former paid firefighter and volunteer, i appreciate the hardwork. My only issues in this video is the amount of ppl trying to hook up the hose to the base pumper. I'm not sure if they had tank water or not, or a deck gun because that deck gun would've definitely put a good knock on the fire. Once they got water they did knock it down from the outside first before advancing inside. My only other issue is the amount of volunteers showing up without gear, because now commands is limited with manpower so either leave gear in pov or make the trucks before it leaves
Engine had tank water ... Don't know if they used any of it ... Deck gun was wanted by command prior to arrival, but was OOS on this engine, and they were the first arriving engine.
@25:38 "Shamokin" - the best name for a fire dept ever :D Best spoken with a Sean Connery accent
Lol
Didn't know the circus was in town...wow. No command presence, no sense of urgency from the 1st due. But hey...at least the cadet club and the retirees showed up.
If the circus wasn't in town, and command had a presence (he was right in front of me in the beginning) and if there was a sense of urgency by the 1st due then you wouldn't be watching or commenting on this video. And if retirees are all you got then use what you got. It is VERY hard to get volunteers these days. I'm at it almost 50 years, and no end in sight.
Excuses...paid or volunteer, DO YOUR JOB. If you want to play firefighter, then know your craft and train. The first line should have been deployed and flowing tank water within the first minute. If you can't accept criticism and openly admit that some additional training is needed, then time to step aside. With over 30 years on the job, I get it. Defending your crew and department is admirable but defending mediocrity is not tenable.
@@FDNY8231 I am guessing the commander was the bloke in the t shirt and baseball cap? Not really easy to identify by anyone arriving as part of a mutual aid operation. I can spot him because he is talking into his walkie talkie and I can hear the comms. Another firefighter can't stand around looking for a bloke with a walkie talkie. Very poor show from him. The least amount of effort I would expect from him is that he wears his helmet and coat.
@@mikedebruler2275as soon as someone uses the ‘I’ve been doing it 30 years’ line, you know they’re making stuff up.
Almost 4 minutes to establish 1 effective attack line. Lots of walking and screaming for not much result.
First drops of water went on that fire just over 2 minutes in on the blue line.
Why wasn’t the deck gun used as soon as you arrived ? To many worried about establishing a water supply .
@@davidsnyder2423I’m assuming that the deck gun wasn’t used because the engine didn’t have a deck gun fitted….
@@davidsnyder2423 Deck guns can disperse water at 1200-1500 gpm. Tank sizes on engines vary but are usually 500-750 gallons. With no water supply, they would empty the tank in less than a minute. Hand lines can empty a tank very quickly as well. The only time hand lines should be used before a water supply line is fully engaged is if there is a threat to life and they need to do an interior search.
@@FDNY8231 Understood-notice I said effective attack line.
Is this open to criticism? Way too many walking around with no packs on. That guy in the beginning could have helped out a little to get the lines stretched instead of watching the other guys work. Would have ran a lot smoother and quicker in the beginning.
Everything is always open to criticism if we want to Monday morning quarterback. Considering the conditions they met on arrival I think they did an excellent job. The first 15 minutes of ANY working fire are always the most hectic, and there are always reasons to train, and do things better. Thanks for the comments.
With the limited manpower at first, Stretch and operate one line at a time to actually get water flowing. Get in closer with that 21/2. You did good with initial knockdown, keep it going.
Considering? I'd say they did good. We can always train, and strive to do better. but water on the fire in 2 minutes is good. Too bad the deck gun was OOS on that engine or I would've had no fire to video when I arrived as it would've been knocked or been significantly reduced.
😢are we watching the same video.. they could have used deck gun to knock down the fire until landlines were ready.. so no I don't see what u see
@@terrenceanderson7966 Yes they could have done that too. But in the video all hands are trying to get water to rig while 2 others are stretching a line. Then 2 others start a second line, a blue one. Get one line going then start the second one. Key principle is to try to control the spread. As video moves between rigs you see a 3d team setup with a line but NO water. Blue line moves past them and goes to the left, meanwhile the Red line reappears and also wants water. Blue line which was the 3d one stretched got the first water at 2:10. Not sure which rig got in first, but that was a textbook Deckgun Op if Engine got in first. (But I don't see a gun on top of rig.)
@@FDNY8231 Yeah like I said they did good. But it is the basics that must be done. Otherwise it all goes to crap.
Deck Gun was out of service ... Wasn't even on the rig.
These folks need to train some more.
Don’t we all …
@@FDNY8231 Apparently, those who claim that others need more training are perfect at whatever they do in life, especially firefighting.
@@RealityTrailers I would agree!
All firefighter dying from cancer and blame the mayor but not one firefighter wearing scba on fire
That was tough to watch.
Shame for that building ...
Nice protective gear... white sneakers and orange croc's !
Fashionable!
Allows water to drain without pooling in shoe.
I'd challenge anyone that says you did this or that wrong to either get a job at your local fire department, or if you are a firefighter, I'd challenge you to show how you've consistently fought fires perfectly. Facts are you were not on scene, so you have no situational awareness. You do not know what resources are there or how policies and training are. Frankly, I get sick and tired of people criticizing departments when they were not on scene or a member of the department. Mistakes happen always, equipment fails, stuff can change rapidly, and every fire is unique. As long as the fire was extinguished and no one is hurt, the fire scene was a success, everything else is a learning experience. I'm sure the chief will do an after actions review of this incident.
It's what these KZhead armchair FF's do ... It's not just my volunteer video it's even PAID depts like Newark, NJ video. It's crazy! Anyways Thanks!
There is no such thing as perfect. 99.9% of the people talking shit don't want their videos on KZhead. But. in their mind they are better than everyone else. Keyboard warriors. I post every video, good and bad, in the hopes that someone can learn something from it.
@@commandvisionfire Thank You, and I watch a LOT of your videos, and learn something from all of them. You guys do get the work.
Didn't look good in the beginning but ended up checking the fire. Good job boys.
Amen Thanks ...
@@FDNY8231 it's all good. I'm a firefighter going on 25 + years I have been to fires being the first due engine on 1 room burn out and it turns into cluster fk but when we are first due with multiple calls for fire and turn the block with 2 vacant building fully involved already in the exposures you would think it will be more of cluster fk but it's just the opposite the operation runs so smoothly. One video does not say anything about the fire department if I'm not there it's not for me to say anything I don't see what the IC sees I don't see what the firefighters sees..
Bright orange Crocs are the best female repellent
Speaking from experience?
Deck Gun, yesterday! Let's go!
It was OOS on the engine ... They did want it!
I’ve said many times that the deck gun is the most underrated and under utilized weapon by many fire departments. You may empty your first due engine tank very quickly (2 minutes +-) but will give you precious time to effect possible rescue and keep the fire at bay until 2nd due can set up hose lines and a good water supply.🇺🇸🚒🐄
It appears no deck gun on engine 1. Just the connection on top. Either never had it or OOS.
@@FDNY8231 Fair enough, I see that now.
Hey, that girl got the big line hooked before anyone.
Woman!
Completely capable ... My hats off to the ladies ....
Respect to all the firefighters 🚒
Thanks brother!
I was not familiar with this town, what a cool place of Americana. Glad nobody was hurt. I thought it was a great job in a complex situation.
Thanks ...
@@FDNY8231 Subbed. Cool channel! Greetings from metro Detroit!
@@mmal7982 Welcome ... I'd love to come out there sometime and catch some of the fire action. One of my buddies did, and he said it was incredible. I have only been to Michigan one time.
This is why we need high pressure booster lines, fast water on the fire whilst a supply is being set up. But we’d rather continue to fight fire in exactly the same way we did in the 1930’s. That being said these guys did a good job knocking it down pretty darn quickly.
a high pressure booster line would not have done anything to a fire of this magnitude. You need 2 1/2 & 3" lines in service or a deck gun master stream to get the BULK of the fire knocked down. There is a reason why departments don't put "booster" reels on rigs anymore......they are ineffective unless you have a small fire ie: that's usually why they are called trash lines.
@@michaeldomanski9352 Correct! The average booster nozzle is only capable of flowing 30 GPM, and for a fire of this size you need WAY more than that. 2 1/2" smooth bore which they used gives 250-500 GPM ...
Loved the video with quick knockdown with ground hose !
Thanks 👍
Must be cool to have a fire dept named Shamokin !
This City was named that LONG before any of us were thought of ... I think it's cool! :)
Chaos
As is normal at most incidents ... Although from the comments you'd think everyone does it 100% but these guys ... What a shame.
Wow! I am going to leave it at Wow! Great video capture!
Many thanks!
I can see not going in the ground floor with the amount of fire they had, but I hope a crew went to the upper floors at least for a search!
Once it was deemed safe to enter they went in from the rear which had access to the 2nd and 3rd divisions.
All those people running around and they can't get one line in operation..very unorganized..
Go figure .... If they had you wouldn't be able to comment from your armchair. Things do not always go as planned on the fireground. First few minutes of any fire are the most hectic. Give them a break or come help out. :)
Why a re you people always compelled to criticize?
Arguably, this is a big cluster fuck. Command yelling through the radio pump operators, not knowing what they’re doing too many Chiefs and not enough firefighters and absolutely no hustle whatsoever Not sure if they are paid or volunteer, but that entire department needs to be retrained.
While I can't disagree with the too many chiefs comment because in 40 years it always seems to be the case with volunteer departments. We could find fault with ANY dept at ANY fire posted here even paid departments. Having said that let's review a bit shall we. Within TWO minutes of engine (me) arrival water began being placed on the fire with a proper sized line. Knockdown was quick, but overhaul took much longer. I would say the goals were met in that no one was injured, and everyone went home to their families. NO ONE or department is perfect, and as for training? ALL of us should train, and continue to train to keep our skills as sharp as possible. I'd say they did a great job with what they faced. Fire stayed in original fire building and exposures were not damaged. We can critique later the do's, don'ts, didn'ts and shouldn'ts. Have a nice day and thanks for watching.
I disagree. An 1-1/2 line was not the proper line with that much fire , especially the lower floor. Criticism should not be negative but constructive. Again, in the future, please consider using your tank water with a master stream instead of waiting for hydrant. Furthermore, I saw no attempt at vertical ventilation or more importantly any organized search of upper floors. The National Fire Academy has an enormous amount of information and training available for those serious enough to seek out. I’m not offering advice to embarrass you or anyone else at that Fire. In fact, I applaud everyone of you for caring enough about your community to serve as firefighters. Ben Franklin ( very first Fire Chief ) is quoted as “ Experience keeps a dear school but fools will learn in no other “. Don’t be fools! Learn from this Fire , seek out advice and be safe . God Bless
@@billmoran935 The line they used for initial fire attack was not an 1 1/2" ... It was a 2 1/2" with a smooth bore. I think they had every intention of using the Blitzforce they originally stretched but why that never got first use beats me. Things like this just says to me you can never train enough. Even with close to 50 years in the fire service I still train as hard as I can, because the fires aren't stopping, and there seems to be no relief in sight. Thanks for the comments.
good coverage
Thanks for watching
great video first time watcher was that a old fire house
Thanks, Yes it was ... The building was 120 years old, and was the former home of the Liberty Fore Co. #2
It was like watching a Three stooges movie.
We thought we saw you in the background.
Lol ...
Just imagine if they had used their tank water upon arrival. What a C.F..
The supply line was connected and charged BEFORE the first line was pulled off the engine. No sense at all in even worrying about tank water ...
Actually no it’s not. As you turn the corner, at 00:12 you can see the 3” with the portable monitor being stretched. Had the operator been at the pump and ready, that length could have been attached to discharge on the Officer side panel, charged, and been flowing water in less than 30 seconds. Instead, they stretched it into almost perfect position and left it uncharged, with a member WAITING for water while they stretched and started first water on the fire (02:10) from the 2 1/2” and stretched an 1 3/4” as well. Nearly a full two minutes that water COULD have been applied from the tank. So in reality, yes, it did, and does make sense to worry about tank water when someone’s business is being destroyed.
@@ritirons2726 While that maybe true that line was not connected or charged till after the blue line came off, and when that line (blue) was charged they had a positive water source. That blitzforce was not charged till later after the fire was almost knocked. However no tank water would've made that line because it's not preconnected and wasn't hooked together and you can plainly see that at the 00:46 mark on the video.
@@FDNY8231 As I stated, that line COULD have been connected to a discharge on the pump panel and charged, thus starting the fire attack from tank water utilizing a portable master stream. It does not need to be pre-connected to be placed in service quickly. The portable monitor such as the mercury monitor or the blitzfire is capable of 500 GPM, so if it is big fire, big water they’re thinking then they should have utilized it instead of the 2 1/2”. What was the point of stretching that line first if they weren’t going to use it until later? Intentionally doing so just wasted time and added to the confusion.
@@ritirons2726 I do NOT disagree with you, however that first line never got connected completely till AFTER they got the blue line operating and by then they had a positive water source so no need for the tank. The optimal would've been hit the hydrant lay in hit it with the deck gun till the water source was established. I would've preferred it that way, but their deck gun was out of service. And I wasn't running those pumps ...
Good job it is always crazy at first and it always sees like guys aren't doing a lot but that is normal it takes a lot to get things up and going firefighting isn't a race so it is nice to go slow and not get hurt especially if they is not one in the building your life worth more trust you me been doing it for 34 years and still on the front line
ABSOLUTELY spot on sir ... A+ Thanks for the comments.
..like give this fire crew a break...how many actual fires have they had to respond to...2nd of all as volunteers they coming from all a round ..3rd of all their not sleeping with their firetrucks unlike full time members and for my final comment they did a great job 👏 👍 👌
There's somethin' smokin' in Shamokin.
Ya hadda go there huh? Lol ....
At ease keyboard warriors…. I’m sure anybody can pick apart anybody’s fire after the fact. I remember that firehouse when I was a kid! Classic looking! I was up there and just drove by it the week after Easter. What a shame.
I would usually agree about the key board warriors but they had a hydrant feed before a line stretched? Lol
Haaaa They are ALL fired up now ... No stopping them when they get going. I wish they'd watch more than the average 7 minutes of the video as it answers a whole lot more of the story than just the first few minutes of setup and initial operations. That was also my favorite city firehouse.
Just a question I can't get any higher than 360p that's no where near even HD I have a 4k set what's up with that??!
Sometimes for me it takes about an hour after it's posted to show higher than 360p for me
Should up to 4K now as it's FINALLY done processing.
Imagine all the shamokin jokes this department has to hear over and over again 😭
Yeah NOT cool ... :)
There's somethin smokin in Shamokin.
How hard is it to pull a line and charge it in under 2-min.?????????
If it's preconnected
@@FDNY8231why no preconnects?
Following through with the initial action we see… One member stretching the portable monitor. One breaking the first coupling and making the connection to a discharge. And one pump operator at the panel and ready…. 30 seconds and water would be on the fire from the booster tank.
@@ritirons2726 @thenussbaum44 That would've been nice had it gone that way. It didn't! They stretched that line but it got broke down and never reconnected. at 00:46 you can see the disconnected line laying in the street. The other half got connected to the pump panel and was charged but quickly shut down because it was just spewing water (not seen). The blue 2 1/2" preconnect was the first line stretched that actual put the first water on the fire.
@@Chris-sac The have preconnects at 1 3/4" and one 2 1/2" preconnect. That's the one they ultimately used to make the initial attack
Are there any depts left that use pre connects? Saves so much time.
You obviously didn't WATCH the video too closely. The BLUE line (2 1/2") that came off the REAR right side in the first 1 minute IS a preconnected line. It was the first line in operation and to put water on the fire. :o) In the video you see them take the whole line off and the officer gets up and looks and see's it preconnected and carries on.
@@FDNY8231why’d it take over 2 minutes to start flowing water?
@@Chris-sac I don't have the answer to that question. You have to ask the pump operator. You seen what I shot, and it leans neither left or right and is unbiased.
No water in the tank? More than 6 guys to tie in to a hydrant?
Don't know where you saw that ... They had a positive water source in like 30 seconds in ... I guess 6 guys did good.
@@FDNY82312:09 to start flowing water.
@@Chris-sac I agree ... how long is 1 minute 39 seconds?
Respect aux pompiers pour leurs dévouement toujours aux coeurs de l action pour sauver les gens et les biens merci a vous les anges gardiens de la ville
Merci pour vos gentils commentaires.
That structure appears to be an old fire station? That’s too bad. We have friends of ours who own one as their primary residence. Their’s still has the fireman pole to slide down from second floor to first floor.
Yes it was the firmer Liberty Hose Co. #2 Firehouse and was 120 years old.
That's too bad! 120 years of history up in flames.
The guy in the blue shirt must be the Safety Officer. Ladder Pipes have been replaced by Tower Ladders (Buckets).
Nope not the safety officer.
Looks okay to me. Water supply established. Good knockdown. Multiple lines pulled. Ladder up. No one got hurt.
Right on the money ... First few minutes are always the craziest.
Unbelievable how fast it was spreading. What darn shame. Blessings to all. The guy in the blue t-shirt needs a uniform and helmet. Is he a firefighter??? So sorry for the owners. 😞😢❤
Thanks for the comments ... Shame 120 year old former firehouse ...
Liked, subscribed and shared your video and your channel
Thank You VERY much!
@@FDNY8231 You're very welcome matey 👍🏻
So, no interior attack, on any level?
You may not have watched the entire video ... Either way they made entry from the rear to the 2nd and 3rd divisions and also from the front on the 1st division.
Did anyone do a search of the inside... someone should vent thst roof..get that stick in the air.. what a mess.. hope everyone got out of the building. No search 😞.. No venting😮
You much like the average person probably only watched seven of the 32 minutes of the video (according to analytics). If you had watched further you'd have seen the rear of the fire building operations which INCLUDED entry, search (No one was in from the beginning as PD advised) and venting.
'Shamokin' That's a fun name for a FD/Any other fire service agency 😂😅
They really don't have a choice now .. They've had it 185 years now since March 1, 1835.
😮😢 it just seems like it’s very unorganized and a chaotic scene. Nobody knows the job everybody’s running around. Ladder truck is in position did not deploy ladder until another lighter truck arrived. just don’t know your job or what you should be doing or training is needed
Join the Monday Morning quarterback crowd ... Oh that's right it IS Monday. :)
Looked like an old fire station
It was ... 120 years old
i would think you would want a search of the upper floors for life and extension. Two engines nose to nose, why not make a knock with the deck guns while you establish water supply
Everyone was out of the building per pd on arrival. One engine the other was a rear mount ladder. Deck Gun was out of service.
Any idea who the manufacturer of that first-in engine company was? I haven't seen one with a flat nose like that in a long time!
This is a KME engine ...
@@FDNY8231 Thanks, it certainly doesn't look like any KME I've ever seen!
@@Msradell It's their Renegade Chassis, and the city has two of them. The other is shorter than this one.
@@FDNY8231 How old is it? I'm guessing it's quite old, it looks like some of the ones that were around in the 70s and 80s.
@@Msradell I believe it's a 1997 ...
Great catch D.Y read some of the comments, though I am not a firefighter or based in the US, but here in the UK, I have watched many videos from your buddy JJ, and have a grasp on ways crews operate, but for the fact that there was a line in use and another guy waiting for water on the deck gun, who could only though his hands up in amazement and they pushed the line over, the charged line should have been moved and the deck gun brought into use... stay safe pal and thanks again
Thanks Brother ... JJ is a great fella, and I'm so glad he does well. Unfortunately things on the fireground don't always go as preplanned or the way you figured they may. I have found that usually the first 15 minutes are a cluster till you work out all the kinks (Literally). Having said that in this case the outcome is the best that could be achieved in that the fire went out, and everyone went home. Take care my friend. GSTK
You guys did a outstanding job well done
Thank You ....
My Grandfather was a fireman but he died a few months before I was born, he passed away from lung cancer. Every person who save lives are TRUE HEROES!
ah no, true hero's are those are aware enough not to procreate..thereby negating the need for any fire fighters..
Definitely true heroes.
Radio straps go under the turnout gear there, Chief
Normally!
Makes no difference
Volunteer fire department??
Yup
Yes ...
It was pretty obvious from the get-go.
Haaa I've seen BIG city depts mess up and delay a water source and push to 4 or 5 Alarms ... It's not obvious ...
Doesn’t that Engine have tank water? I can’t tell if it has a deck gun either. Did you guys perform any primary searches? Why go defensive so soon? Not criticizing but giving you some food for thought.
Tank water, Yes ... Deck gun, OOS, Searches, No one in the building per pd, and occupants ... Due to size and volume of fire they chose to knock the bulk down then made entry.
I'm wondering if they were saving the tank water for the parade...😂
You have to see the other video from the beginning. The ladder truck was the first truck to show up for quite a long time. No pump no tank
Welcome to PA UGH!
Glad to have you Bill.
Busting on bill? He is right. ugh is right. coming from an FDNY fella. wow
@@jerrywoods5146 The FDNY is just my channel name ... Read my BIO and you'll get the whole story. I buff FDNY when I can get up there. Used to be 5 days a week.
Anything happening in the rear? "We have 1 line stretched, No manpower, Were doing all we can"
If you watched longer than 9 minutes you'd have your answer without me saying anything.
@@FDNY8231 I was quoting the video.
Ahh I get ya now ... They had one engine in the rear and limited manpower that's the reason for him saying that to advise command. They sent the 2nd Alarm assignment to the rear to assist him which is on the video ...
Paid or Volunteer?
Volly I believe
All Volunteer
have you watched the video ? its pretty clear LOL
@@robertwiggler4193 Yep
What difference does it make?
All this and then some in the greatest country in the world......
There ya are ...
The first thing to do,is put water in the fire,US fire engines carry at least 4 minutes constant water fire fighting.
That depends on the size tank, line and gallonage of nozzle, and pressure. My 500 gallon tank last right around 2 minutes with 2 small 1 3/4" lines at 95GPM.
Do they or don't they carry water on the vehicles. The building was obviously beyond internal saving but at least use the water you've got whilst finding a hydrant. Seemed to lack competent leadership. Fairly quick knock down once water was on the fire. Whatever the faults if it wasn't for volunteers and professionals. Situations like this could be a lot worse, so thanks must go to the men and women who risk their lives. Eden the UK has volunteer crews in country areas.
Thanks for comments mate. I wonder if your vollies are like the Benny Hill Fire Dept.? Lol Yes they did have tank water on the engine. Just no deck gun as it was out of service.
bull crap, the uk does not have volunteers, there on call/retained and they can paged to the station for a call, they DO NOT turn up to a call using own vehicles and deffo dont turn up in own clothes and start pulling hose lines. second point, the uk as standard check their kit regularly- at the start of their shift or the on call guys at drill night and more often in many cases, if kit is not working then you get it sorted and if not it goes out of service. I appreciate fully volunteers as I was and am one and can honestly say this bs about volunteer training and equipment is total B,S, if you cant do the job as you should then dont as people will die.
The ladder truck showed up first way before any engine ever got there.
I hate when they turn water on the hose...shut it off ..turn it on again shut it off ...turn it on again ..... Leave the water on and knock down the fucking fire.
You are so manly.
You ever try and reposition a charged 2 1/2" hand line with the water ON? It's VERY difficult, and much easier to just shut the line down for a few seconds.
Congratulations Pennsylvania fire men that was the biggest fire I have ever seen and glad all you guys got it out quickly whoever is cussing at these firefighters that is not nice to them they worked very hard to put out that winery fire
Thank You for your comments.
I thought they did quite well. Had water on the fire within 2:30 from the time the video started.
I agree ...There are things to continue training on though as with ANY dept,
Good job overall … always chaotic in beginning stages of fire attack, this one no different. Just couldn’t figure what the ladder truck in the rear was trying to do . They weren’t even remotely close to reaching the rear of the structure
I believe they were setup for exposure protection with their monitor. Not really a way to reach the building from where they were.
Wow this has to be the worst ladder response ever. Should called in for a tower truck so the nozzle can be aimed properly. Got two ladder trucks that are useless and blocking access onsite and dumping assloads of water into holes instead of one fire
You must have missed Tower 54 ... In any case they are 15 Miles away, and take minimum 25 minutes give or take to get there. So you do what you can with what you have. By the time that tower ladder arrived the fire was pretty much knocked and overhaul was in progress. The city used to have a tower ladder but they opted for just the ladder when they bought the KME.
All you foriegn armchair firefighters ask yourself this, how many fire departments are in the United States? Now ask how many are well trained departments vs low budget volunteer departments. This is a volenteer department which doesnt see much action and doesnt train like big department's due to man power availability and budget.
Nah buddy. I’m an American Vollie, this is absolutely horrible and there should be some harsh and serious questions being asked. Being a volunteer is absolutely NOT an excuse or a crutch for piss poor firefighting or training. If you wanna be good you find the time. Flowing water, throwing ladders, and mastering(or atleast in these guys case) understanding the basics doesn’t require a lot of money. I’ll be the first to defend our actions from people on the other side of the pond who experience a completely different type of firefighting but that also means being ready to call out bad FFing over here. There is ZERO excuse for any of this. This is plain ignorance and lack of training in a craft where people will and do die. Edit: Spelling
I honestly don't know what their issues was ... That particular engine company trains way more than my own company does. Funny how it seems sometimes that when we roll up on a fire of this size the brain sometimes tends to go to shit, and it takes a minute to remember just WHAT, & HOW you're supposed to do things. I'm not justifying anything or anyone I'm just saying "it happens". I rolled in as the chauffeur on a fire out 2 windows with entrapment and for 10 seconds or so after actually seeing the fire forgot that the orders were to reverse lay to the hydrant till the officer yelled "you going or what". I call that a brain fart when your mind goes blank. It does happen!
You hit the nail on the head. I retired from Houston (3rd largest in US) a year and a half ago and very few volunteers are anywhere near as fast and organized. If you're not doing it day in and day out, this is what you get.
@@christianhaupt2637 I'm not disputing the fact lack of training shows in the video, my point was depending on the department personnel, there's going to be various degrees of professionalism. I'm in the Spokane Washington area now but lived in Pennsylvania both rural and city and unfortunately a lot of the volunteer departments there do not train the way they need to or provide training classes watching videos of bigger departments and get educated by going out on training night to various structures to practice proper tactics and proper use of equipment. I have noticed one piece of equipment that most volunteers and a lot of city departments fail to use and that's the water cannon, never understood that as that is an invaluable tool. Seems like alot of small departments are about which station has the prettiest trucks and politics.
Why they not using the deck gun until the landlines are ready
I thought the same thing but was also thinking they wanted to blast a stream in that first floor door with an upwards angle. I am from the Detroit area - for all the bad comments on Detroit Fire they love to "dump the monitor (deck gun)" and it is effective but maybe for this job it wouldn't have been or its not part of this area's culture. Just a buff not a FF so what do I know.
Because the KME engine doesn’t have a deck gun fitted, kinda hard to use one when you don’t have one….
@Jimmythefish577 so a fire department uses an engine that doesn't have a deck gun equipped with it.. someone, please make that make sense. Why get buy a fire engine without a deck gun..
The deck gun would have knocked this down but the one thing they lack is a flexible Line of Sight on all the burning material. It would also be overkill for this one. This fire had easy access, in a confined location with great ventilation. A booster line set with a tight cone sweeping the lower level of the space would have coated most of the burning material and the fog and steam created would cycle up and out while coating everything else.
@@terrenceanderson7966 Right? That makes no sense at all. An engine should be the Multi Tool of all departments.
Why does a city??? (town) of under 7,000 need 5 fire bureaus? One truly professional company could do the job and it would probably be much cheaper. Also, I've never seen rusty water come out of a fire truck before. I guess truck maintenance is on the same schedule as their fitness routine... NEVER.
they most likely did not purge the hydrant first. anytime i have seen when they first open a hydrant it comes out brown and rusty looking but clears up after a few sec. then they hook to it, I don't think that was from the tank as it appears the truck may not have onboard water.
The engine does have onboard water ... I have no clue if they started with that or hydrant water. I was watching the camera not the pump operator. I don't think they used tank water tho. The water company has just begun flushing operations so normally prior to that the water will come out crap brown.
All those firefighters did a nice job at putting out that winery fire sad that it burnt because that winery probably made wine a wrong way or a faulty air conditioning window system because that is what I could tell by the video it was
Smh do have a deck gun you have tank water send it
That question was answered a LOT ... Deck gun was out of service ...
@@FDNY8231 appreciate that, however if A LOT of fire fighter are asking it then its probably a valid point, in the uk we dont normally have "deck guns" however we have water on our pumps and 2 high pressure reels and lots of times will pull them to get the wet stuff on the red stuff in under 2 minutes of arrival and thats for full time and retained/on call.
Jesus saves
Amen brother ....
Use foam its faster better 😜
Can't disagree, but time and availability dictate what is/was used. On my rig we have it ready to go right off.
It would have no quicker impact and is not really for use on this type of fire.
@@andyoxleyonhistravelswest coast fire departments use it on all fires. compressed air foam systems. that fire will go out fast.
not great environmentally , and is expensive .
Foam causes cancer. More departments are against using it unless it’s a Hazmat Fire.
Seems like the whole town is burning down
Lotta old buildings ...
Not even close to 4K resolution. Nice video anyway.
For some odd reason the video is still processing. It won't be 4K till it completes processing .... Nothing I could do about that. 32GB upload so I don't know if that has anything to do with it. I shot it and uploaded it in 4K.
Don't cross the steams! Why? Imagine all life as you know it stopping instantaneously and every molecule in your body exploding at the speed of light. Total pro-tonic reversal. Okay, thanks for that. Good safety tip.
Thanks for the tip! 😂
Quoting Egon Spengler... 🤣 Who you gonna... 👻
That's alcohol Abuse
Hehe ....
A lot of box tickers if you can not carry a person out of a building what are you doing there
There was no one in the building.
@@FDNY8231 If there was the 4 foot tall folk would not be able to help
@@MichaelSmiff1969 I don't know! I know a guy with a one deformed arm that could throw hose, ladders, do truck work, and was REAL good at it. Size or type don't really matter.
@@FDNY8231 yes a guy you and i know the fitness tests have all been changed to allow for box tickers if someone can not carry a man out of a burning building they have no right being there
@@MichaelSmiff1969 I can't disagree with that. You do have to be capable of doing the job.
Какая зарплата у пожарных в Америке?
Это варьируется от штата к штату и муниципалитетам.
@@FDNY8231 спасибо 👍
So the rig should have been taken out of service. That's like pulling up to a fire, and u have no handlines on ur rig.
Taken out of service for no deck gun? You can't be serious.
@FDNY8231 u can't be serious... it was needed at a fire and it was not available.. so if it was out of service then the reserve would have been in its place and I'm thinking it would have had a deck gun available at the time it was needed.. how can u not see the importance of having emergence fire equipment that is 100 percent ready 24-7 anytime that alarm sounds.. I find it disturbing that u don't take this seriously. This could have been a matter of life and death all because an engine was in service that was not fully operational..
There is another video out there from the beginning where the ladder truck showed up first due, which carries no pump or tank. Then they basically sit around and waited for the engine to show up a couple minutes later
@@terrenceanderson7966 There are NO reserve engines as this is a Volunteer Fire Co. and to take an engine out of service for no deck gun is completely insane. They have a working pump, handlines, blitzforce nozzle (could've charged sooner), but there's no reason to take an engine out of service for that. Heck if another company had a spare deck gun they might have lent it but I guess they didn't. A deck gun is not an absolute imperative piece of equipment.
Me to you me to you 😂 ohh god it’s a fire 🔥 someone call 911 fire dept oops we are the fire department 😂😂 command make pumps 15 😂 jeez more public helping than firefighters
It musta been a everyone pitches in kinda situation ... At least your comment made me laugh .. Thanks brother :) Set condition SQ spin up water missiles 1-3 all attack :)
Embarrassing. Seriously awful. Kudos for laying in (I assume, could’ve been hand dragged). But why no booster tank? Looks like at least a 750 gallon engine. And who’s the plumper with his coat open just standing in the way and pointing? This is nothing to be proud of. And there is no manpower excuse. I saw at least 8 non-juniors from the start. Do better.
Supply line was on the street when I arrived ... They laid in from the hydrant. As for your other comments? It's very easy to Monday Morning quarterback when you're not there doing the job. Since I have over 40 years volunteering doing the job I try not to speak bad about anyone else doing the job. Sitting at a TV screen and watching others you can say they should do this or that. The facts are within 2 minutes of the video rolling the had water starting on the fire and with a 2 1/2. I'd say they did good. The only reason it wasn't deck gun'd is because the deck gun was out of service on that engine. That was the original orders, but they advised it was OOS. Kuddo's to my brothers and sisters of SFB.
@@FDNY8231FDNY my ass.
@@FDNY8231 This chaos goes on at 9 out of 10 of the fires in this town. Everyone is standing around waiting for the supply line to get charged and then the pump operator still cannot get water to the ground monitor. The pump operator is just walking back and forth looking at the fire and figuring out how to pump. Ridiculous.
@@jamessimmonds3773 Well there ya are. That is the complete definition of chaos right there. Maybe the solution would to get someone to train on how to operate the pumps and do the job properly. Would you like to volunteer for the job? It is very easy to put down the people doing the job when you're not. I started FF in 1976 and we've come a LONG way since then. I had hoped to be retired from it by now, but no one wants to do the job. I invite you to come in and help out. It will be a whole lot of work and people will complain, but I have found it rewarding maybe you will too.
@@andrewzy NO ONE said it was FDNY. You obviously din''t read or something. The CHANNEL name is FDNY8231 not the department operating in the video. If you look in my channel videos you'll find plenty of FDNY action.
Who's in charge? To many people giving orders and nothing is getting done!
Let's review? "Nothing being done" ... Water made it's way on the fire ... "Too many people giving orders" 40 years of doing this and there are ALWAYS too many people giving orders, but the outcome was what was needed. The fire went out, and everyone went home safe, and now the investigation begins. B- for MMQing!
You guys did a great job. Ignore the tax payer robbers who get paid and have the luxurious life of rippingboff the taxpayers. Use this video to critique and be a little better for next time. Very proud of you!
Thank You ... Not everyone believes like you do ... They are the PRO'S I guess.
So you’re saying that paid firefighters rip off taxpayers with their luxurious life?
@Bill5071 I'm saying the whole concept of paid fire fighting is a tax payer rip off. Same with Police. Both professions have unions & lobby groups for an obvious job people do for free so yes, they rip off tax payers living large on the tax payer dime. Many states have reserve or volunteer police, deputy Sheriffs, and even State Troopers. If people volunteer to do it, meet the same standards as the holy grail paid boffins, ahhh, yeah...we citizens been hood winked.
@@haroldenglish943 👈🐀
@@haroldenglish943 🤡
Roving command. Not a clue.
YOU don't even get a score for Monday Morning Quarterbacking ... Good Day!
You would have used the deck gun before arrival, from 5 blocks away. We know! Thanks for your service to mankind.
The pack vs unpacked FF ratio is terrible here. Got all the unpacks running around like chickens with thier heads cut off or standing around doing nothing. Get busy on the fireground there is always something to do. That hose layout was god aweful to watch. Keep it HIHfty tho.👌
You get an A+ for MMQing ....
@@FDNY8231 call it like i see it, too bad and not my fault you cant handle Constructive Criticism. Dont get mad at me Fella. And you get an A++ for you phony YT Name.
@@andrewzy Don't know why you think I'm mad. I'm not! You have the perfect right to comment your feelings just like anyone else. If I was afraid of the comments I'd turn off commenting. My channel name came from the days of chasing FDNY when I worked there (Not FDNY) back in 1998 up to 2013. No way I can change the channel name because I'm no longer in the city everyday like before. I do make and plan trips to the city to chase. In my bio the name is explained. I only WISH I could be there like before. My channel suffers because I'm not. Maybe after I retire I'll change that. You should come with me sometime.
@@FDNY8231 Buff Fdny?
Somebody was in the way...a lot.
4K is not always the best to shoot in. Some people use cell phones and tablets that have a weak signal, 4K just keeps The Circle of Death going also known as buffering. Smh
Problem is the video is STILL processing well over 14 hours after upload ...
You can watch at whatever resolution you choose. Hit the settings gearwheel thing and you can choose resolution. smh
Yes I have to fiddle with that a lot, but this time it wouldn't give me an option to use it. It was there but not related. Maybe like mentioned earlier that the video is still being processed?
this must be the land of swimming pools with windows judging by the shit show on this fire LOL
ONE public pool, and happy to report NO windows.
Don't worry the Bunker Hill gang is here.
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gawdamighty! that was a can job at best! a boot couldda put that out. how in the world did you fools let that get away from you? amateur hour at its finest.
Been one hell of a can that's for sure ...
The comments will be full of armchair firemen working in their moms basement :)
You got that right ...