Robert Whitaker | Psychiatric Drugs & Mental Disorders | Psychology Is Podcast 5
2020 ж. 18 Қар.
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Author of Anatomy of an Epidemic and journalist Robert Whitaker speaks about mental disorders and psychiatric drugs. Robert and Nick discuss the dramatic discrepancy between evidence and practice in psychiatry, and what role these drugs have in the effort to improve mental health in society.
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Interviews like this one have changed my life for a better many years ago... no psychiatrist, no psychologist helped me like this kind of honest investigations... very liberating. Thanks.
This is such a meaningful comment. Thank you.
@@psychologyis thank you very much for your work. Unfortunately its like a fighting against wind mills. These psychopharmaca aera seems like living in the middle ages.
Yes, Bethlehem mental Hospital in London was put into operation in 1242. By the 1300s, tourists were paying to gawk at the chained patients {inmates}. This is where the term "Bedlam" comes from!@@clausmehl8731
I agree
The greed needs to go! You can bet your boots that the top staffers of pharmaceutical companies don’t have their families on these meds.
You’re DAAAAAMN RIGHT!
Great point!
They don't need them as cash cows!
This makes me want to cry. I've been on and off Lexapro for 15 years. My doctor told me about the chemical imbalance in my brain... I was having panic attacks and she first gave me Zoloft which made me suicidal for the first time in my life within 20 minutes. Then she switched me to Lexapro. I'm going to stop taking it and just stick it out long term after watching this.
Eat foods like lettuce turkey pork oats that up mood and calm mood. Pattick Holford book mood n food might help too.
These people are just testing out drugs on us like lab rats and when we have serious adverse reactions, they just shrug their shoulders and say "I don't know why this happened to you, let's try another drug to see if it sticks."
Replacing Zoloft with Lexapro is like trading a Honda Civic for a Honda Accord.
@@capitalist4life One made me want to kill myself, and the other made me feel stable and normal.
I really HOPE you didn't "just stop" taking the drug! Your brain adapts to the drug's affects so coming off gradually allows for less shock to your brain.
Dr. Peter Breggin's work "Toxic Psychiatry" (1991) gave him the reputation as the "conscience of American Psychiatry". His more than any one voice opened the door to this type of investigative discovery/conversation of what psychiatry really is. That book more than any previous source. and it's detailed bibliography provides the understanding of what we as a society are really dealing with when we discuss the term "mental illness". The book is just as valid now as it was when it was published. LOVE.
Mr. Marin; another Dr. Breggin book (co-authored w/Dr. David Cohen) called "Your Drug May Be Your Problem: How & Why To Stop Taking Psychiatric Medications" inspired & motiv8d me 2 go psych med-free (which I've been since 1/1/2017 after 30+ different psych meds ovr a 40+ yr period; I'm 55 now). That a4mentioned book also mentions the book u referenced ("Toxic Psychiatry"). Nvrthlss; Dr. Breggin's research taught me this. Mental Health Conditions r ENVIRONMENTAL IMBALANCES (NOT CHEMICAL IMBALANCES)!!!! In other words, it's how other people (mis)handle & (mis)treat u (especially when it involves abuse, bullying, & harassment).
I read it thank goodnesss when it was 1st published. Saved my Dad from thesr drugs. 2 holidays to Spain cured his depression permanently. Drugs were causing him anxiety shakes tears loss of confidence. I convinced him to disobey docs.
Since 1991, Breggin has been working with Peter Gotzsche - and both have videos! / Until the 1950s, Harry Stack Sullivan was given the run of Queens Mental Hospital. Since he believed in people, he would sit down with a patient and have intense conversations - about a few problems he had. Then, Sullivan would work on improvements, life style changes and Talent Training - so his patient could develop a mental + emotional cathexis, ie. mental health! Breggin, Madan Katara and Howard Glasser offer aesthetic Talent Training classes!
Taking prozac since 1998 has had detrimental effects on my body. including nerve damage, akathisia, restlessness, movement problems. Making decisions and gut feelings have been very hard and the abuse from other and family members not understanding has compounded my problems. Just finished a four year taper. I wish I had never taken them for OCD in 1998. I think a previous year of Sertraline had already damaged and unsettled me and perhaps not helped with making a natural way out of OCD.
Try high dose vit c-it helps the healing xxx saved my life x also use coconut oil in everything(spoon in hot tea) rub down spine xxx hope your ok x
Thank you both for this hour. So frustrating to see how the field of psychiatry is so single minded and in control.
Wow these guys are smart for Health Professionals.
Not enough smart people unfortunately
Thankyou to both of you for getting the truth out there, we need you people and more like you.
Nick Fortino thank you so much for a great interview. We need more professionals like you to help lead the way and get the absolute truth out there. Its beyond belief this madness is happening . People are being brain injured at the expense of doctors, so they can have there extra pay packet at the end of the week to send there little girl to private school and ballet classes. How can they lay straight at night knowing what they know. YOU CAN'T WALK WITH GOD HOLDING HANDS WITH THE DEVIL. Unfortunately my uncle who is now 76 and totally brain damaged with severe tartive dyskinesia, from the anti psychotic drugs they gave him as a young child of 5 in a institution here in Australia, and he never came home from institutions. He has a brain of a 2 year old. My grandmother who has passed had no idea what they were feeding him and was naive back then... Doctors always right mentality. Fast forward to 2012 when I became unwell trying to withdrawal from Effexor, valiam ,and seroquel at the age of 42 I did a quick google search on how to get off psychiatric medication and found Dr Peter Breggin, and that wonderful man saved my life . I was engulfed with sadness and sorrow and anger to find out what really happened to my uncle as well. Tartive dyskinesia was brain injured...they did this to a beautiful little boy ,I hate to think what else they were doing to him. . God have mercy and stop these monsters ,the data is out there now .....There is no.EVIDENCE they make any of us better . God bless you Robert Whitaker you are at the forefront trying to expose this barbaric SADISTIC gross negligence. MAY THE LIGHT ALWAYS SHINE UPON YOU. Love from Australia🇦🇺🙏.
I am really sorry to hear your story. The problem is not with stopping them doing what they do to the public but we all have to understand that we have given them over our power. We need to stop ourselves going to them for the co called ‘treatment’! It’s time we took our responsibility back! Love to you all!
The Archangel of Light also pretended to be good to people - Lucifer!
I think the best info I’ve found regarding deciding whether to come off your psych med(s) or not & how to prepare if you do...is The Withdrawal Project by The Inner Compass online. There are times that there are 2-day intensive workshops to educate patients who want to or need to come off & other workshops which educate families of those who need or want to come off. (These were very educational & are headed by a psychiatric survivor. The study to come up with all the info took 2 years, 6 days a week dealing with professionals who helped from Canada...some, I believe were pharmacists.). I hope this proves helpful to someone.
According to psychiatrist Thomas Szasz, mental health is a metaphor that has far outlived its usefulness. Maybe read the book Psychiatry: The Science of Lies by psychiatrist Thomas Szasz. Great interview. Thank you. Cheers and limitless peace.
That is the problem with Szasz though, he didn't seem to believe that there was anything such as abnormal or unhealthy mental behaviour. I agree with Whitaker, and society is the greatest contributing factor in mental illness, but saying there is no normal is the other extreme.
@@juliettailor1616 Szasz believed humans could have bizarre or unusual beliefs. He just thought this belonged more in the category of morality, religion, and politics rather than medicine. That is my understanding.
@@MichaelTenQi yes and this is true in one sense but Szasz was extremely liberal, more of a libertarian, and I don't think he even thought in terms of moral structures such as religion. Plus I am not sure he ever discussed the role of society in general (breakdown of community) in mental illness. We have a lot of science now not around in Szasz's backing up things such as marriage/ monogamy being healthy and related to attachment theory, boundaries being healthy and gender being influenced by stress of the mother. I am fairly sure Szasz would have supported the gender fluid movement for example.
@@juliettailor1616 i did not mean morality and religion together. Separate.... mostly. Thomas Szasz called psychiatry a secular religion of my memory serves me. www.nytimes.com/1979/06/10/archives/male-and-female-created-he-them-transexual.html
@@MichaelTenQi I see. Thanks for the link. I was wrong. Szasz did not believe in gender fluidity and says biological sex is fixed.
Is it possible to see the titles of the studies (articles, books, other studies) referenced during this interview? This would really help so much. Thank you for this interview!
To Nick Fortino, I am glad you are a person who is speaking up about these drugs. I am going through a HUGE issue to my older brother's SO CALLED MENTAL ISSUES in our household here in NZ. I will make this comment quick. I DO NOT WANT ANYONE TAKING OLANZIPINE without A PROPER DIAGNOSIS! I have seen A EVIL SIDE TO THIS PARTICULAR DRUG, here in my household. Please, I want to urge ALL PEOPLE'S IN THIS WORLD, PLEASE GET A PROPER DIAGNOSIS FROM YOUR DOCTOR if you are Mentally Illed? If you have been taking this particular drug like Olanzipine or you know of other like this, and you have found a EVIL SIDE, to this drug or you have seen other family members that this drug or something similar and seen a EVIL SIDE to the drugs, YOU HAVE A RIGHT AS A PARENT OR FAMILY MEMBER TO SPEAK UP ABOUT THESE TYPES OF DRUGS! If this is or HAS AFFECTED YOU FOR A LONG LIFETIME, THEN YES YOU SHOULD SPEAK UP! Don't wait another day! Don't be silent about this issue! I believe this area in society needs to be spoken up to openly to all families involved! Matt
My question is: When you say "evil side", do you mean personality change for the worse ?? I've been wondering that based on my observance of someone on an SSRI - a side comes out of that person at times that seems almost evil. Thanks. 3:59 time
@@noellesherman4824 Thanks for the reply. Yes, my older brother who I am referring to, who I have seen a huge personality change from his Olanzipine meds. I am NOT SAYING SSRI or psychotic drugs ARE JUST PLAIN EVIL, (which everyone may have different experiences with theses drugs, some of these drugs may help people get through life, and may work for them, (short term, these drugs may help someone for a short time, but long term use, I from what my older brother has been portraying has made his life worse). Yeah, I have just seen a PURE EVILNESS come from OLANZIPINE/ZYPREXA, for many years now. This is NOT ALL HIS FAULT. The dosage he has been getting regularly are I think, on the top my head are 20 or 10mg of Olanzipine, then his 2.5mg, the small tablet with the 10 or 20mg of this drug. I have been diagnosed as Austism???? by the GP, which I don't believe I have and have been given 1mg of Risperidone. Risperidone has NOT HAD ANY EFFECTS ON ME AS YET, which I don't want to. If I find out IF I HEAR ANYTHING IN MY HEAD, LIKE MY OLDER BROTHER is at present, I WILL BE TAKING THESE STRAIGHT TO THE GP AND SAY, NO THANKS, DON'T WANT THESE IN MY LIFE!!!!! I have heard stories that going cold turkey can make things worse for people. I don't take Risperidone meds every night which I should, but I do take them like now and then. Say for example one every like every 3rd or 4th night, or if I miss a week, I just take one from time to time. To Noelle Sherman, I have a KZhead Channel called MattNZ- Prayer Channel if you want to look at my channel, Here is the link if you want to hear this: kzhead.info/sun/rK6rnK2DsGZrp4E/bejne.html Schizophrenia - Mentally Illed or Demonic Oppression (Use Headphones to hear more clearly) You might want to turn your volume up on your headphone when the video starts. Hope this helps Matt
What a great program to teach the kids how to cook! That makes sense that ADHD would decline! I love that idea!
This was a fascinating/terrifying conversation. So much work has been done at this point to normalize and not shame people for taking antidepressants, it’s hard to imagine how to move forward in a productive way without making people feel very confused and frustrated about all of this. Especially if you identify as a depressed person.
so true. it's a very difficult situation. I would never want to imply that there is anything shameful about chemical support. That's so human. But it is important to look squarely at all of the effects of the drug, especially considering that these psych drugs are compounds that the brain has never processed during evolution (until now), unlike naturally occurring psychoactive substances. LOVE your comments.
That work to make people more accepting of someone with mental health issues will not be destroyed by pointing out the negative effects or a drive to reduce the dose or get people off the drugs, in the right situations or when an apro alternative is there. I don't think anyone is going to get the message "oh yeah so now its ok to be horrible to people" lol ;)
The truth must be told. The truth is the drugs do not support, they hinder learning and make people worse.
To acknowledge, yes shame and shaming is a potent prob reality. IMO though, they are 2 different perspectives. Healthier to focus on managing our own reactive shame than worry about the shamers. IMO there should be no shame in succumbing to the very human tendency of depression. It is real and common, though yes how the degree affects our function may affect the level of relief we seek, IMO we can start by accepting our basic worthy humanness in the suffering of it. ..That said, not to "shame" the drug takers 💊, but to go along with what you said, the ironic other side of the coin is a seeming shift of consensus to shame those refusing to accept heavy psyche drugs as standard casual go-to, ie I notice a shocking common tone in casual conversation these days to feel like you aren't in the "cool coping club" unless you take prozac or something. Such makes me feel uncomfortable, even to share my different opinion, but I try to, as politely as I can-- like by sharing that I personally love exploring safe herbal support as options - for example, rather than assume to need to stop anxiety with drastic Zoloft, I'd rather try simple catnip tea 😺🌿☕ which is said to "take the edge off" anxiety. (Best do your own research for more detail per herb idea + per individual, AND FYI herbs CAN interact with other meds, so may be best to run by your doc and maybe have herbalist advice, I'm just sharing a safe example to demonstrate my point.)
@@wednesdayschild3627 Completely agreed. A prime example if what ur comment says & 2 whom it really applies 2; those deemed as "special needs" (especially those whom particip8 in Special Olympics). Those particular people (i.e.: the "special needs"/Special Olympians) r the 1s whom r really (negatively) affected by psych meds moreso than most any1 else. Even more galling; the family members/caregivers/guardians of "special needs" people perpetu8 the matter w/their "holy-than-thou; know-it-all" attitudes (which is detrimental 2 those deemed as "special needs" &, in essence, a disservice as such). Ur comment's actually SPOT-ON!!!!!! I just provided u an example (as a4mentioned) which justifies ur comment.
Fantastic talk. Thank you both!
Mr W is the best guy to listen to. He’s easy to understand and concise. Thanks Bob for all you’ve done for us. ♥️
Que claro que es el investigador periodista y como desencubre el grave problema que tenemos con la salud mental Gracias siempre me ayudó mucho como profesional de la salud y como persona que padezco las secuelas de la vida! Gracias
Great minds. Great questions. Fantastic interview. Thank you.
For a great example of how the phenomona of hearing voices for instance can be put down to the effects of trauma is to look at Eleanor Longden's TED talk The voices in my head,also Jacki Dillons Hearing Voices network founder who shows how voices and her other hallucinations were the result of sexual abuse in childhood.
Yeah, it's called dissociative disorder. Too many people are diagnosing it as psychosis.
Wow. Great conversation. I respect the work both of you are doing.
I just discovered your channel. I watched your interviews with Joanna Moncrieff, Peter Gotzsche and this one. Great work!!! Thank you!!!
Growing up, even after going through traumatic experiences with psychiatric medication and psychiatrists myself, I always thought that there was still the understanding that there was the need for therapy and that there were psychological causes for these things and it wasn't just "chemical imbalance."
Wonderful presentation, especially in the beginning, in which Mr. Whitaker clearly describes the way this tragedy (well, I call it a tragedy for some cases, including my own) evolved. I knew about some of it, but I didn't know about some of the details, and I'm sure there's much more to learn. But, this was well summarised and well explained. I just hope something can be done for this and for future generations, at the very least about being made clearly aware of the risks involved in using psychotropic drugs because once you're on them, it's almost impossible for SOME people (but not ALL) to get off them. I've been on them since my late teens in the 1980's, and now I'm more confused than ever since I've suffered severe depression ever since I was a kid and now I have found out I've had severe ADHD symptoms all throughout my life, and I've been gradually getting worse. This is in addition to the 12 medications, (4 psychotropic meds), and chronic illnesses and sleep disorders I have. I have all this to sort out now in post menopause along with my current fear of stopping my antipsychotics and antidepressants, or, NOT stopping them and probably dying young, but with less depression than when I was young and suicidal. The 1980's antidepressants saved my life at the time, btw. However, I had bought into the idea that my depression was a chemical imbalance not only because it made sense in my case, plus the fact that lots of family members on my mother's side had similar intense "psychiatric" diagnoses, but also because it made me look less "crazy," as I seemed to be depressed and suicidal over "nothing in particular." Now, I don't understand why I have had so many ADHD symptoms throughout my whole life that have become much worse now, eventhough my lifestyle has improved. However, no one is pushing any diagnosis or medication on me. I hace heard, though, that instead of severe depression, maybe it was severe ADHD--female version--all along. On the other hand, psychiatrists would have you think depression is a comorbidity. Hmmm... not so sure about that one. I would, however, tell anyone contemplating taking these drugs to please get a comprehensive diagnosis since like Mr. W says, what psychiatrists call these brain disorders or diagnoses, stem from many causes, including from perhaps one's own physical insufficiency or deficiencies, be it hormonal, mineral, vitamin, etc, or from dealing with toxins in the environment, or from dealing with toxic people, etc. There are many reasons, indeed. Yet, it seems like doctors don't like to deal with diagnoses that are multicausal in nature. Too complicated. But, that's the body. In simplest terms, it consists of the physical, the emotional (or psychological, if you prefer), the environmental/social, and the spiritual. To ameliorate these stress or brain emotionally uncomfortable (or however you want to call them) conditions, you must address, at least, all of the aforementioned aspects of our existence. Lastly, if you consider going on psychotropic meds, try to find a subscriber who hopefully isn't pharmaceutically biased, who's an expert on psychotropic medication, and who can be trusted to be truthful about the pros and cons of medicating. But, be aware of the risks involved, knowing all the potential side effects and possible long term effects. Since there is not a lot of studies on long-term effects, you'd be best to compare notes with others such as myself who've taken them long-term. And for the few that really can benefit from psychotropic drugs, hopefully it's a low dose and not forever, combined with non medication techniques, either with an effective, loving support system (which may or may not include therapy), lifestyle choices including sleeping well, healthy eating, exercising, stress coping techniques, prayer (for believers), engaging in some way in the arts (music, writing, art, theatre, etc), other hobbies, finding purpose in your daily actions, philanthropy (as in doing for others, and many more healthy habits--habits that create long-term term overall health benefits
I would love to know how Robert Whittaker got so involved with this issue,he is so passionate about it and has done to much to expose or try to open the discussion about psychiatric drugs and diagnosis
He was a medical journalist i think its on one of the youtube videos
One t.
SSRIs run on the same principle as someone saying "well, meth and cocaine make you happy, right? so just continually snort them!"
And they're prescribing them for less and less serious things. Has anybody else noticed that? Anti-psychotics used to be used for actual psychotic disorders, like schizophrenia and bipolar disorder. Now they're prescribing them for anger associated with abuse, autism, and behavioral issues in children. They're also prescribing opiates for basic bladder infections. These are all real examples that I've encountered within the last month. 😒
Wow...... Eye opener.......
Great conversation btw Nick ..have subscribed look forward to more to come
Interesting chat. Very top down though. One thing that has become apparent to me in recent years being back in the west is the enforced pathologising/malingering of patients by the medical profession. It goes like this: Patient: I am getting symptoms of leptospirosis, covid, plantar rupture, ulcer, insulin resistance, embolism (my experience/all diagnosed), can you help? Medical doctor: Oh but you look fine, are you sure it’s not depression, malingering, ocd, hyperchondriasis, ASD, adhd, etc? In my people-pleasing way I consider all of these conditions first, even try some of the treatments, and in all cases none of them get better until the physical causes are treated. Which is the basis of all medicine in these cases, a ruling out protocol. As long as this continues, often because there are many conditions that are hard to diagnose (eg persistent Lyme) or because medicine is poorly trained and generally operates on a drive-thru model formerly normal patients will be ostracised. I like the simple idea that any presenting illness is a reaction to something, an injury to the body or mind, either internally or externally, whether it is infection or diet, or poverty or adversion to social structures. Loved the talk tho. Advice at the end was sound. Every time I ask the question “what would I do if there were no doctors?” many psychological (self-pathologising?) aspects of life disappear almost overnight.
July 20, 2022 Research paper *No evidence that depression is caused by low serotonin levels, finds comprehensive review* Was published in the Scientific Journal Nature, which is like the most prestigious one.
Many thanks for this
Robert Whitaker Doctor Peter Breggin have probably saved Thousands upon thousands of would be dead souls, including myself . They tell the truth about this SADISTIC medical institution.
Well said sadistic psychiatry
@@donniellama4463 i agree to you. Same fate
Sadistic. Not an understatement
@@donniellama4463 This is the real Me Too
@@donniellama4463 Me Too
Thank you guys for sharing this wonderful and important message!
Glad you're enjoying it!
The saddest part. It hurts the obedient ones the most.
Yes and then they were judged as non compliant and rebellious
@@Cd-yd7bn I personally take those labels as compliment.
@@kareendeveraux1847 yes it is i agree.
Great point
Great discussion have you ever thought of inviting Dr Daniel Amen who postulated that brain health is due to the amount of blood flow in the brain Also I would like to know how does one taper off Effexor
What an intresting discussion! Im waking up🎉
Thanks from Poland ♥️ ♥️ ♥️
Great interview. Thought it might be good to mention that Remeron (mirtazapine) is an antidepressant, but is not a dopamine-blocking agent. While its mechanism of action is unknown (like all psychiatric drugs) it “does not inhibit the reuptake of serotonin, norepinephrine, or dopamine”; “How it works is not clear, but it may involve blocking certain adrenergic and serotonin receptors.” “Chemically, it is a tetracyclic antidepressant (TeCA). It also has strong antihistamine effects.” (Wikipedia) Perhaps your client in the jail was taking Risperdal (risperidone) instead? It’s considered a 2nd-generation/so-called atypical neuroleptic/“antipsychotic”, and has dopamine-blocking effects that could explain the dramatic changes you described witnessing in your client.
Invaluable comment. Thank you. You may be right that it was Risperdal. I'm surprised that the psychiatrist I talked to explained the mechanism incorrectly.
You really ought to look at the cross cultural comparisons of presentations (and indeed treatments) of "mental health" and other non-ordinary experiences, like sleep paralysis and related hallucinations. Louis Sasz (? he wrote "Madness & Modernism") had an appendix in which he went into them and not only were there cross-cultural differences in numbers and presentations of these conditions, some illnesses seemed exclusive to the Occident. An interesting thing was that there were similar levels of scizophrenia in the West and mania in African countries, as if the expression of a condition was very much transformed by these dissimilar social and cultural contexts. More importantly, cross-cultural comparisons of treatment should be very much a concern of psychiatric research in the West. I am absolutely confident that psychosis ought to be treated as they do in many other cultures, and in a few contexts in the West, as a mysterious process that a sufferer should be facilitated and allowed to go through with support and care in a safe environment, as there is a well-known sequelia when you do, one that resolves in a new sense of self and world. I've been trying to go through it myself with the condition I suffer from, and I can see this truth first hand, although it's very difficult without the support offered by other cultures and traditions. Most other cultures, and a few groups in the West, see it as a process of spiritual or psychological transformation - there's certainly the death of many aspects of the self, if not the entire ego in some cases, and the rebirth of a more ordered, harmonious self-world configuration. Really we ought to admit we know NOTHING about this condition, and actually the whole field captured by psychiatry, and begin anew studying it in the only sane way that it can be studied - by watching, observing the primary phenomenon, which means self-observation (meditation), or if non-sufferers wanted to study it, it should be through meticulous descriptions of the experiences by people going through it. Any other approach is not a study of the condition but a study of the observable impact of the condition on behaviour and outward appearence (through the lense of innumerable cultural and academic prejudices, assumptions, opinions, conclusions and other such non-facts).
Also I would like to add that it's usually GPs that prescribe anti depressants and anti psychotics along with tablets for blood pressure, cholesterol high blood sugar... heartburn etc. all the most prescribed prescriptions sold...all not necessary...if people ate a healthy diet...slept and exercised most of the medical profession would be out of business
28:00 most of medicine is well more subjective than people realize. & most clinicians dont understand what goes on in labs, or code in scanning machines or where the cut offs for decisions come from. gr8 vid.
Thanks!
Excellent informative conversation! Amazing work you both are doing. I love your channel keep the content coming.
What a great interview & great information shared! This was wonderful! Thank you, both. I have heard of him & may have seen him on Mad in America, so, I learned a lot, as I have not yet read his books.
Prescribing a pill is much more expeditious for doctors who are under pressure by insurance companies, patient loads, and intrusive government regulations that don't allow for significant treatment.
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i was admitted to hospital informally in 1990 and have had mental illness ever since i have had my head tested electro encephalogram and then after a diagnoses of drug induced schizophrenia was started on chlorpromazine 1600 mg per day a massive dose you might say well i have a lot of insight into my illness and wasnt very happy being treated and classed as mentally ill i thought i knew better truth was i still havent found better yet thirty three years and am still on medicine ive had endless therapy hospital visits sometimes staying for months my illness is not gentle and often hospital was the safest place for me nowadays i have a better more cooperative situation with my psychiatrist and meds when i have an outpatients appointment i can say if i want any meds change or talk about any aspect of treatment they go to great lengths to help patients in england and luckily meds are free in britain i feel lucky to be in britain
Thanks
this is such a good conversation. i've met with psycologists and psychiatrists and the psychologist was way more helpful. i got a drug script but never took it and i'm fine. i know some people are like really crazy and need meds but it's a very small % of people. Thank you Dr. Fortino and Mr. Whitaker for sharing your knowledge. hilarious story about the piranha btw.
Thank you so much for sharing your experience.
"Throw Physic to the dogs" [Shakespeare; Macbeth]. Even Shakespeare realised emotional turmoil, hallucinations, psychosis, are not treatable like a disease. He does actually give the answer in the following Words. "Therein the patient must administer to themselves".
Interesting... Didn't know that line. 10:07 😊
B12 deficiency can be devastating.Also iodine deficiency-this is just dismissed-but is the difference-how can someone know if thier psychosis or disability is nutrient related-unless it’s rectified !! X sub clinical infections also are devastating to mental wellness x
Psychiatrists who advocate medication should take them first!!
It should be required for their license.
I never heard of feigning a mental illness! That’s quite eye-opening!
Malingering.
Embedded deeply in the welfare system that rewards a label.
Anyone can develop a mental + emotional dedication, a cathexis - which is what mental health is!
This is definitely a problem. Doctors made my ex insane switching drugs multiple times with no concern of withdrawal. It made me a single parent. Why people turn to a pill for normal life problems and corrupt their brains normal chemical process and think it's OK because it was medical prescribed. I noticed changes in my now wife's personality and found out she is on them now too. It's not like she has personality disorder. Not yet anyway... She's abnormally happy right now, but I know what's coming. She told me it's OK because she had a genetic test that says it's OK, right? 😢
Sounds like she's lost and captured by the system. Very tragic. Probably not much you can do but protect your own sanity and that of your child/children.
Force drug companies to do liquid meds for tapering
Nick Fortino, what would you say is the best initial treatment for someone suffering from psychosis?
43:30 healy, lead and the missing catatonics
Thank you, please check out work of A Hoffer, orthomolecular medicine.
I was on remeron and it gave me serious anger issues. Im generally shy person but i nearly smashed up a computer in public just due to the anger constantly coarsing through my body :/
Yes, they can cause very serious uncharacteristic violence and even homicide. Hope you are OK now.
Great conversation. I was diagnosed with ADHD by a neurologist with a brain scan and all that and thank goodness I got Vyvanse to save my damn life.
When you start having symptoms of tardive dyskinesia (which can be masked - you may not recognise yourself - your eyes jump, there are tics , muscle spasms) you want to come off these poisons as soon as possible, orthomolecular approach to withdrawal seems very sensible..
So many women on hormonal birth control, hormonal replacement, psychoactive drugs.... is it any surprise this is completely messing with their body and mind in unintended ways.
I don't know what to believe. Leo and Longevity claims SSRIs are neuro protective and inhibit neural inflammation. Maybe you should debate him on this issue.
Alone the occurance of side effects like PSSD proves they are not neuroprotective, they are neurotoxic for all patients. You can't argue against it.
I have living from paycheck to paycheck disorder. And am dying from old age.
This is horrific. Seems if youre happy somethins wrong or if youre sad somethin is wrong
Why are the psychiatrists not charged and have their licences taken from them. As even from the first part of this it was obvious that they depend on the ignorance naivety and trust of the people they are deceiving and harming.
They get away with abusing people due to the patient, practioner power imbalance
If they can't get that they use force
They are not held liable for a bad reaction to a drug, which is why I am refusing to take them alone at home.
Because they have legal authority which has been created for them.
Also food dye, very big factor
rigerous exercise is best
What about the AP that stabilize you and protect you from harming one self What is the alternative To protect you from psychosis
Mental illness. Often a normal reaction to an abnormal society or circumstance or other illness eg chronic physical pain
So was the explanation of what happens as a result of talking ssri's a hypothetical conclusion? Or a provable fact?
Sorry my last comment of the site path and nhs paper details have not gone thru. It took me so so long to write all this but u Will Find it out I promise you that
This talk is pure sophistry on the part of the interviewee.
Absolutely, in your owned opinion.
How?
Perhaps you are fearful of understanding this excellent history of psychiatry.
The modern western society has evolved is the problem...the people that usually have serious mental health issues do come from trauma..and low societal ecomical status...eating healthy is bloody expensive...and the cost of getting a decent psychologist!..why is alcohol not mentioned as that you get legally and its not a prescription..as that is most people's go to drug from a young age..cause low quality sleep and disrupts the absorbtion of nutrients...it causes most of the childhood trauma...a mother have having a few drinks while pregnant not maybe not knowing she is causes foetal alcohol syndrome..which can very well mimic ADHD...but at the end of the day..most psychiatrists are usually middle-aged men who are only in the job for the prestige and the money...just like any other business..morally there is no need to hold them to any other standard than the local bar tender😊
Don't see an interview with James Davies. Try to get him.
It’s too late in my life but maybe this will spare us. If. If. Only IF we taper. Discontinue. Blow trumpets at APA and demand the taper Slow slow. But not too slow. Not too fast. Like the horse in the Disney movie Secretariat. Don’t worry about the pace. We can’t know the pace. Like the horse . The American people know whet the pace should be. Too fast secretariats heart bursts. Too slow is just as bad. When Churchill was in dilemma he asked the people what he should do.
Mind and body are one. I believe immflamation drives at least a big portion of mental illnesses.
Anyway, these drugs work very well for me so I'm still going to take them! Edit: I think I get it now, the most steadfast of their arguments is that some people just have a bad life and shouldn't take medication because of this. What they disregard are at least two things: 1. Even if a person has a terrible life and is, because of this terribly sad an antidepressant still can make that person more resilient to stress. 2. They completely disregard the people who definitely get an improvement from antipsychotics/antidepressants. He makes the impression of being quite sensationalizing.
Mr. Thiel; How do Mr. Whitaker & Dr. Fortino COMPLETELY DISREGARD those whom have "benefitted" from.psych meds? I don't c how that assertion has any validity. From my understanding (& it parlays w/my personal experiences on psych meds); all that they r saying here's that 2 do ur own research RE: the benefits & harmful effects of psych meds. I don't c any willful/complete disregard by either 1 per ur comment. BTW; ignorance sure is bliss; isn't it?
Can u solve it?
St.Luke 12:1-12::5
All my medication does is stress out my liver and blocks nutrients to the brain therefore sedating me. how psychiatry try's to get away with saying appetite causes the weight gain what utter garbage it suppresses the digestive tract causing bloat. The closest to objective truth a psychiatrist gets is that his friend also thinks your mad this makes the view more true just like saying if more people think a certain god exists it somehow makes it more true. As for diagnosis it's equivalent to an astrology reading but with far more drastic consequences. Even most of the psychiatric research doesn't follow benford's law it's fabricated nonsense.
Truth is not an appeal to popularity rather that be in science or religion's. 1 million people could still be 100% wrong on a god or what is ultimately true in a given situation.
This drugs are extremely dangerous if you use them for a long period of time..
They dont even have "their place". Theres no need to Devils advocate here, the drugs are horrendous and need to be discarded like yesterdays waste.
Truly taking this comment to heart. I think you're absolutely right.
The drugs have no place. You just don't want to get a real job.
psychiatry killed me from constipation
25:07 I started taking ADHD meds at 14 (when I deliberately sought a diagnosis & Rx from my MD). But I’ve never been comfortable with prescribing psychoactive drugs to young children. My autistic cousin started on Ritalin in elementary school. He was into his 20s before he independently decided to discontinue the meds he never even wanted because they made him feel weird.
Nearly killed jordon peterson coming of benzos.
Yep
Yes but I’m not a fan of Jordan Peterson either… it seems like he has a whole lot of issues not sorted out either…
@@shawnleong3605 Completely agreed RE: Jordan Peterson. He comes across as a hypocrite 2 me.
He too too high of a dose.
Psychiatrists and psychologists are bunch of clowns. Their diagnoses are so subjective. I have dealt with them before and I can categorically tell you they both destroy lives. Avoid them at all cost.
In 1999 I took my daughter to her pediatrician because she had 2 panic attacks about a week apart. I had them but learned to talk myself out them, saying "I know what you are I'm not afraid anymore. You will pass." In the beginning I did have valium for them. I was fine for many years just knowing I had 3 in my purse. I very rarely filled the scripts. The doctor just kept giving me a refill. When my daughter went at 14 to pediatrician I was seeking maybe a script for her for like 10 of them to get her through extreme fear. I could give her one and leave one with school nurse. Something like that kind of idea. The pediatrician said No what she needs is the Antidepressant Paxel. I said I wasn't crazy about an occasional valium but I'm not wanting her to take an antidepressant. She was real forceful about it. YES, this is what your daughter needs. I guess she wanted that extra $750. The rep promised her for prescribing it. I wish I had have walked out with my daughter. My gut reaction was no. My daughter is now on Xanax too prescribed later on. Both of these Paxil and Xanax as we know have really short half live and withdrawals can and have happened between prescribed doses. My daughter started cutting her arms 2 years later. Has attempted suicide 4 times. Holds a steady job. Is 37 yrs old now had tried ever so slow to wean off Paxel. The whole horrible head zaps vomiting. She just takes it now both of them. The Xanax scares me to death when all of a sudden a doctor decides no I'm not going to refill Xanax. Of course they always fill the Paxil. All of us have heard this story I don't know why I'm even talking about it.
The whole medical industry has become so problematic
she tried to kill herself twice. she shouldn’t be coaching children
I have Type I bipolar disorder and psychiatric medicine saved my life numerous times. I find these type of podcasts to be irresponsible.
The main focus here has been on the SSRIs, which are the most commonly taken in psychiatric meds. So maybe this doesn't apply to your particular case, but the SSRIs do much more harm than good to the overall population
Glad that Mr. Whitaker mentioned "Your Drug May Be Your Problem; How & Why To Stop Taking Psychiatric Medications" by Drs. Breggin & Cohen. That a4mentioned book was the catalyst that led me 2 become psych med-free ovr 6 yrs ago.
HERE'S U.S. TO YOU:YOU'RE WRONG. MOVE TO ANOTHER COUNTRY.❤
Psychology is Christian.