Old guy here, 30yrs out of DJ world. Long story short, Son saw some videos of me back in the day and wanted to learn. We researched and found Traktor was the best option so we got an S3 for him. He ran off to college so I was with out a tool box. Bought myself a S4 MK3 and I'm back in the game. No interest in anything but my own entertainment. I agree the S4 is under rated and of course I'm still learning. My opinion about the crossfader: It's down to muscle memory. I remember the "glass feel" of the old Rane I used. The S4 has more feedback and I have grown to like it more. I have been able to achieve an accurate chop with the S4. Maybe logging some time breaking down the basics and developing the muscle memory would be helpful. Props for the effort in presenting these videos. I learn from you guys all the time. Thank you.
@williammcdaniel4841 Жыл бұрын
Definitely underrated, absolutely love mine. I still can't believe it's the ONLY spinning platter controller I've seen with a 4 channel standalone mixer! I suppose the target audience really just has no use for an extra deck or more inputs, but I'd find being limited to 2 channels on the rane and pioneer to be a dealbreaker at this point
@GPow692 жыл бұрын
Numark NS7iii also has this. Cheers!
@yllmatoshi21832 жыл бұрын
Love my s4, couldn’t resist picking up the 25th anniversary white version too 😬 (second hand) I think the main reason people don’t rave about it as much is due to Traktor falling out of favour for many.
@itmatterednot2 жыл бұрын
I love the S4 and will never go anywhere else!!!!
@scottthomas522928 күн бұрын
Absolutely LOVE my S4 Mk3 along with Maschine+, Maschine Jam and and F1 you have a KILLER live setup dropping in loops samples using the Mashine+ as a drum machine and its SUPER TIGHT with Traktor. But lets see what Traktor come up with next super exited to hear they are working on a new controller and an overhauled Traktor.
@mattierenton7012 жыл бұрын
Traktor 4 S3 , I bought it over two years ago and I LOVE it!
@djmozmorris Жыл бұрын
I would highly recommend Joe Eastons S4 MK3 screen mod (available on Patreon). It takes a little setup to get it where you might want it but it completely transforms this unit into what NI should have released or updated to. Customizable colors, pad modes, effects, screen info and much more. It allows you to almost ignore your laptop if needed.
@12voltwizard12 жыл бұрын
Yep I saw these mods on Patreon a long time ago, Native Instruments themselves actually recommends them.
@JustTechnics2 жыл бұрын
@@Reticuli you don't need a subscription to use the mod, just to download it.
@12voltwizard1 Жыл бұрын
I think the reason the s4Mk3 is not talked about is simply because people have moved over to Rekordbox mate. A lot of people thought Traktor was so behind in the world of Dj software. For me me it’s still the best software. That just WORKS.
@rubetubeable2 жыл бұрын
The browsing is not good in Traktor tho. It's far behind virtual dj or rekordbox. As a resident dj the most important part is to play the right song in the right moment. Traktor doesn't have any quickfilter buttons, highlighters or any smart features. It's really annoying.
@d.n.3086 Жыл бұрын
@@d.n.3086 Hows the browsing 'not good'??
@davidrowan3853 Жыл бұрын
@@d.n.3086 as someone whos been out of the DJ world for 10 years, im looking to get back into it. I understand what your saying about good filters being important... But can you tell me the difference between rekordbox and traktor in terms of filter options? Why do you like rekordbox more?
@justinmichael8400 Жыл бұрын
@@justinmichael8400 you can use attributes in rekordbox and virtual dj. No attributes for other dj software. I think that's essential. With these attributes you can clean up your browser view very fast and only see relevant songs.
@d.n.3086 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video! I had been wondering the same thing. I've had mine since it was released and I love it!!
@gabrielledavis6382 Жыл бұрын
Love the S4 M3 it really is underated. Haptic feedback is great too and thats before you delve into stems and remix decks. Love it and would'nt exchange it for any other system on the market at the moment.
@awkwardsquadproject2 жыл бұрын
I really do like the motorized platters too. I came from vinyl, although hadn't spun a tune since about 2005. You can adjust the weight of the platters - hold jog button then spin the platters to adjust. Also pretty sure you can install an Innofader.
@guser71372 жыл бұрын
I’ve got the s4 mk3 with a reloop rp8000 set up. I love it. Sold my technics 1210s mk2s and my pioneer CDJs 1000s some years ago. Never got rid of my vinyls tho so this set up is perfect for me. Was like riding a bike. Have hours of fun. Got the big again.
@nizzle6588 Жыл бұрын
Great video! A lot of people seem to like to hate on Traktor these days. It's still a superb DJ platform. Yes, Native Instruments is very slow with updates and new gear. In my opinion, it's difficult to compete with a big brand and company like Pioneer. Pioneer is great at re-packaging and promoting shiny new hardware without really making that much headway in innovation. I know, stem separation is pretty cool, and flexible beat grids are nice - things that currently lack in Traktor. But, all this technology doesn't make anyone a better DJ. A lot of old skool DJ's could mix before the help of all this latest tech, even back in the days of only mixing on vinyl. It just required more talent and creativity. I think Traktor is still a competitive DJ platform.
@2eyesonusАй бұрын
The s4 mk3, amazing controller, connected with the f1… lots of fun🙂🤟
@WeddingDiscoWales2 жыл бұрын
Love my S4MK3... Got a djm s7 and RP 7000s... But still love my S4MK3. Such a well designed controller.
@GeekLabsMusic Жыл бұрын
Thank you. This was a helpful comparison video.
@DJVarMar5 ай бұрын
The s4 mk3 is so underrated it’s amazing for the money and what it’s capable off is also incredible with the remix decks stems and sequences.ok rant over great unit to mix on
@jasondaly53512 жыл бұрын
Long time “Local” DJ (mostly house parties, a few weddings and a lot of home mixes and scratching) been down since my first set of the old school dual decks for mobile DJ’s in the 80’s lol, then I got a job and was able to finally own a pair of OG 1210’s (been down with my fav genre Hip Hop since I was 10-ish 1981) and I dreamt of owning a pair of 1210’s anyway, I had to move them on in my mid 30’s as starting a family and only 2 bedrooms and yada yada yada, so A few years back now I got the Pioneer DDJ SX2 and I absolutely love it, it has so much to offer and was wondering after seeing your live stream about the state of the fake Technics and a like, and seeing your mini review on the R7 I’d like to know your honest opinion on the SX2, if you covered the subject of none moving platters in this vid I apologise as I am typing as I watch.. Peace MCD
@MovieCaveDave2 жыл бұрын
Just rediscovered DJing after a 20 odd year break. Digital, WOW, that sure took off, literally mind = blown! Ain't got a grand plus to drop on a unit to see whether I'm gonna dive back in. Popped over to Vinted, checked out what controllers were up for grabs, after checking many review vids beforehand. Picked up a Mark II S4, immaculate condition, everything working like a dream. £115. Come on!!! One hundred and fifteen pounds!!! Even made the missus happy. 😁
@PilzE.7 ай бұрын
I use my S4 MK3 daily, and every time I feel tempted to switch to the new flavor , I end up weighing what's new and end up telling myself , you have it already or don't need it.
@JOHNDOE-ls5cv2 жыл бұрын
great s4 / traktor is so underrated these times ... i have 15 years that i use traktor and is absolutely the best softwere , and the cheapest
@Positivecutz2 жыл бұрын
Great video j 👍, I've got that traktor and I think compared its great . The vinyl sound is very good and I've enjoyed using the traktor with my technics and I reckon the pitch is way better then rev pioneer , the position on the pioneer was silly near buttons
@FSwiftDJ2 жыл бұрын
Helpful video mate, I'm even more sold on the s4 mk3 as my upgrade now. I bought the s2 mk2 2nd hand as my first controller over a year ago and this seems like the logical next step, are there any other controllers I should consider as an alternative? My main requirements are 4 channels, the ability to hook up a turntable and 8 pads (STEM support would be nice too.) I'd be happy with 2nd hand if that would change your recommendations? Until then it's back to my wonky channel faders on the s2 (waiting on some replacements from aliexpress)
@benh71072 жыл бұрын
Just bought a brand new S4 …. It’s just amazing
@lawrencefernandes6083 Жыл бұрын
I absolutely love mine with my pair of technics, best bang for buck on the market. Such a fun unit? If you don’t like how heavy the platters feel do you know you can change the weight/ torque on them?
@davidpacker79612 жыл бұрын
Great bit of kit, yep through the settings on traktor 👍
@JustTechnics2 жыл бұрын
You can't change the weight/torque while in Turn Table mode unfortunately.
@12voltwizard12 жыл бұрын
good video man, i just wanted to ask you something about kontrol s4- does it seperate the stems itself or should i do it myself one by one in each song ?
@2bros753 Жыл бұрын
I've been Team Traktor since it's Stanton Days! I have every Kontrol S4 Controller and by far the MK3 is the best. The gripes I have is the lack of Independent Mic input and the lack of a 2nd USB for two DJs to swap in and out.
@moebetta72 Жыл бұрын
Sweet controller that traktor. Pioneer is definitely not worth the price in my opinion. The only pioneer kit worth the actual price is the ddj 400. I'm currently using the Numark mixstream pro and loving it and my sets are sooo clean 😏 (on my channel) Engine DJ all the way!
@DJLyncho2 жыл бұрын
I own a DDJ 1000 srt for about 3 years and have been pretty happy with it. Recently I snapped 2 faders and that lead to a mess of repair fiascos, basically coming down to costing $500 for a new repair. I started looking into possibly upgrading or going with a new controller with motorized jog wheels, and tbh, I hated how the DDJ 1000 is mainly plastic. The Rane 1 really stood out in reviews to me because of the beefy all metal build and motorized platters, but I've been using 4 channels for so long, I didn't want to go down to 2 and so I really started doing some digging. The Traktor s4 kept popping up and after reading and watching many reviews, for the first time in my 5 years of DJing, I bought a non-Pioneer controller. I found a pretty good sale and got the Traktor s4 MK3 for $901 after tax and shipping. It should arrive on Wednesday. I'm a little nervous and a lot excited. I figure at worse, I can return it and just drop the $500 to get my DDJ 1000 repaired but at best, this little beast of a controller blows the "industry standard" and cheaply built Pioneer gear out of the water. Can't wait to find out.
@jeffreybshuflin67952 жыл бұрын
What did you end up doing? Keeping the S4 or repairing the DDJ 1000? If you kept the unit, what are your thoughts on the S4 compared to the DDJ 1000? Cheers.
@kevbocat5621 Жыл бұрын
@@kevbocat5621 I absolutely LOVE the Traktor s4 mk3. I have my 1000 repaired and collecting dust right now. The Traktor just feels better in almost every aspect. I've been told my sound is better too. That was something I thought may just be my imagination but the Pro 3 software is just pushing out better sound for some reason. There are a couple go to effects i miss from the serato pack. I'm sure those same effects are on the Traktor, there's just SO MANNY EFFECTS to pick from and use and manipulate it's taking me awhile to really sit and work with them all. I broadcast my mix and the Pro 3 software has full broadcasting capabilities built into it which makes it so I don't have to go through BUTT. I couldn't be happier with making the switch.
@jeffreybshuflin6795 Жыл бұрын
@@jeffreybshuflin6795 Thank you so much for the quick reply. I really appreciate that. For the past two weeks I've been researching different controllers. I bought a Hercules Inpulse 500 about two years ago which I really like and at it's price point, you really get your money's worth. But lately I've wanted to delve into the 4 channel controller market. I've been going back and forth between the S4 Mk3, the DDJ 1000 and the Denon Prime 4. I've never been one to go with "industry standard" stuff. I like to go outside the box so to speak. The S4 really does look like an interesting piece of kit and it also looks like you definitely get the best bang for your buck but a part of me also gets that "too good to be true" feeling as well from it. I want to get something that won't be obsolete in a year or two be it via the hardware or software.
@kevbocat5621 Жыл бұрын
Hello. Great video ! I know S4 mk3 can be used as a standalone mixer, but has it hardware effects to that purpose? The one who has the assignment buttons ? Thank you !
@RamiroSchiavoni Жыл бұрын
just ordered my s4 mk3 but i have 2 D2's that im going to add to each side. the unlimited power i will have is just going to be awesome!!! one d2 can control 4 decks and 4 remix decks and full control of a stem track with a large screen to see what you are doing.. it gives you the best set up with the ability to control anything with out having switch decks or press the shift button
@victorsanchez-pp1mn3 ай бұрын
Recently my S4 MK3 unit started to have "crossfader bleeding" issue and I'm also looking for a replacement crossfader. I looked for the Innofader and on their site it says that the mini Innofader Plus is compatible with the S4 MK3 controller, but I couldn't find any info on forums if someone actually replaced it and used it. Do you think it should be legit since it says it on their website? Best regards, great video btw!
@ejubpetrovac2 жыл бұрын
The S4 MK3 is a great controller - IF you can live with Traktor. Which I can't because it still lacks adaptive/flexible beatgrids, which I really need. That was the main reason for me to switch from Traktor Scratch Pro 2.x to Serato a bunch of years ago. Unfortunately (but obviously) there's no S4 support in Serato. I have to agree though, Pioneer's "battle style" positoning of the pitch fader on a controller that has no tonearm that could get in the way is a weird choice.
@jimboblivesforever2 жыл бұрын
With the new updates you should able to adjust the beat grid.
@DjJeffo782 жыл бұрын
@@DjJeffo78 Really? I have to check that out!
@jimboblivesforever2 жыл бұрын
as a 1210 fanatic i drooled over the pioneer but really the s4 batters it in terms of features and price
@davidcunningham92822 жыл бұрын
It’s a fantastic controller. Just like any controller they all have their setbacks HOWEVER if NI opens this controller to be able to midi map to other DJ apps it will be the top premium portable controller. Hoping NI is reading this. Traktor DJ NEEDS stems and improved beat grid.
@louro50713 ай бұрын
I was disappointed back in the day that no one went with the revolving platters apart from technics so I went with a DVS setup instead of cdjs. Now it's come back like it's a new revolutionary feature? Strange. Can I assign the mixer effects to the volume faders so I can have some rotary mixing action?
@MadelnMachinesАй бұрын
I've just seen one near me on FB marketplace for £350 with flight case.
@lafluerpeter92 жыл бұрын
I love the s4 I have watch many good reviews, was thinking to buy one but im skeptical because the traktor software was so behind compare to others out there
@DjEikoymusiclab Жыл бұрын
To anyone watching you can actually adjust the motor tension in the software... Making it as light or heavy as you like
@djjustiy Жыл бұрын
Yep you can indeed!
@JustTechnics Жыл бұрын
How the sound quality compares in these two?
@alexg8957 Жыл бұрын
Hello Jay, I’m a a S4 Mk3 user. I love it and it’s flawless. I’m not a scratch DJ and this is perfect for me. 😁
@DjJeffo782 жыл бұрын
How does it sound with vinyl mate?
@rubetubeable6 ай бұрын
Traktor s4 had the first motor jogwheels,wait till s4 mk4 come out,with drummaschine huge screen and huge jogs.I love the s4. i was spinnig on technics mk12/10 14 years before s4,love my s4 . What about the sound beetween s4 and the pionner ?
@daflux72 жыл бұрын
you actually think Native instruments will come with a controller like that?
@kelz3454 Жыл бұрын
@@kelz3454 hard to say,i seen pics in the forum but nothing offical ,(
@daflux7 Жыл бұрын
S4 MK3 is limited that’s why no one is talking about it, Native should turn the unit loose so the DJ can have more use it. But it is a great unit, Native is the cause of it not being popular
@mac814u Жыл бұрын
In your professional opinion, what do you think is the future for traktor? I've been using traktor since 2011. im trying to hold on but im losing faith that Native instruments is going to come out with another controller or mixer. Traktor is not the standard in the U.S. but i enjoy it. I'm losing faith though.
@kelz3454 Жыл бұрын
Pioneer is a nice all in One console, too bad they didn't insert a strobe light to check the movement of the platter ... If Pioneer had collaborated with Technics and maybe they had taken the DZ-1200 project together to create an all in One it would have been the best professional product for Dj. I had the DZ 1200s but I used them very little, the CDJ 1000s were another planet even if the Technics were wonderful to admire ...
@PitbullRyu2 жыл бұрын
There's no need for the strobe light at all on the Rev7. It's to check if the pitch control is within the correct parameters. It's all controlled with the software now, so although it would look cool... it would be redundant.
@lochlanthocolich32632 жыл бұрын
What about DDJ 800 or 1000 vs Traktor S4?
@thiagordiasfully Жыл бұрын
Can you run Traktor on a REV 7.?
@DannyByrneDJ Жыл бұрын
The statement "you dont need large platters" is why no one is mentioning this control. the platters are too small and placed awkwardly, which has been the norm until pioneer almost got it right. Turntable DJs are used to 12" inch vynil. 45" size platters are ok but we rather have at least a 10 inch platter to at least match the 10" serato vynil. The Denon sc3900 was popular because of the 9" platter, the Rane 12 because its fullsize. And those buttons under the jog shouldnt be there. Theres no buttons under the 1200s platters. Pioneer has begun a trend that will soon be the standard.
@biggcebo2 жыл бұрын
Battle style position is for turntables with a tone arm and the position is to avoid hitting the tone arm/needle. Unnecessary design in my opinion for this pioneer gear. Great vid and thanks.
@jemmanuellrt Жыл бұрын
hello .i want to know in poor words whoich is better in sound pioneer or traktor and the volujme of headphone in traktor s4 mk3 is good is exellent or is weak?Thanks in advance,because I want to buy a controller but I'm in a dilemma between ddj 100 and traktor s4 mk3.what is your suggestion, I am interested in the output sound quality and the high volume in the headphones.Thanks
@renatotafalla3003 Жыл бұрын
I was hoping Native would make some controller with bigger platter.
@Su_So2 жыл бұрын
Maybe one day!
@JustTechnics2 жыл бұрын
I started off with traktor about 20 years ago and it was my main go to DJ software. Over the last few years the lack of development from NI has left it lagging behind in features and hardware integration. I decided to swap to Rekordbox DJ after getting a DJM S11 about 12 month ago and its been a smooth transition over from traktor. My pals have had the S4 MK1 and MK3 and they are now going over to serato DJ because of the more advanced feature for scratch DJ's. Traktor needs a massive update soon if it is to convince me to go back.
@Goggzzzz2 жыл бұрын
Negative. If you're a Scratch DJ, You really DON'T need more tech. That's ridiculous. Native Instruments Hardware STILL has the tightest Integration with it's Software. And it's mappable to just about EVERYTHING on the Market. I use it with my S( with no issues. And I started off with Traktor since it was the Software for Final Scratch.
@moebetta72 Жыл бұрын
Well - Native Instruments are clearly Techno-Machines while Serato has its roots in everything but Techno. I always considered that nonsense but it is true. I am performing on Traktor 4 Decks since about 2010 and I can never imagine doing what I can do in Traktor to be possible in Serato (Of course I got both). I love Seratos touch and sound but NI is Industry standard in Dance Music - period! Then again I do not see any real need for jog and pitch as I am preparing my tracks with cuepoints, grid and loops in advance and NEVER on the fly. Essentially I spend more time on track preparation than with Vinyl (not CD, since I did the same prep with my CD-Decks) those days. And before anyone is going to tell me that that is not real Deejaying... it's not the same thing and shouldn't be compared to good old Vinyl hand pitching. If you disagree, please discuss it with Richie Hawtin or Carl Cox and not with me!
@Dubmayer2 жыл бұрын
Agree 100%. Been with Native since 2010 as well and have produced pure magic with them. Sound is more "transparent" out of Serato's software. The most transparent sound I've found in Native is to set the EQ Type to Z ISO and the Filter Type to Ladder; and set the Limiter Type to Transparent and the Headroom to None (Internal Mixing Mode). As far as production, it doesn't get any better than Native. It's built for creators and remixers. I mostly work with Techno and I rarely beat match in my mixes or live sets. I also prepare my live sets as well. And I get DJ's hitting me up for ghost-mixing/curating frequently. Deejaying is just like craft brewing. There are hundreds of brew masters that craft their beers in their own way. But nobody drinks the beer due to the process it took the make it. They drink it due to the finished product.
@SDC214 Жыл бұрын
Is the tractor s4 Mk3 a professional DJ controller for the mobile DJ
@rlcarrcarr3095 Жыл бұрын
Yes of course! absolutely fine for mobile and club use, its a superb piece of kit!
@JustTechnics Жыл бұрын
The moving platers on the s4 are useless I owned one for 6 moths only any use hooking it up with turntables. Any time I used it with out dvs I turned the moving platters off these weren’t great at all
@jamesslaven41038 ай бұрын
Pitch also flutters a lot on mine any way…. Sold it for an rx2 then on to the rx3 now got rid of that for the rev7 the s4 mk3 just doesn’t come close have to disagree with you here
@jamesslaven41038 ай бұрын
It's not getting props because turntablists want bigger platters and a battle style layout.... Clubs type layout? Buy a club style controller🤷♂️
@rjmn12 жыл бұрын
It sounds better then serato
@roussiathierry2myears2713 ай бұрын
The S4 MK3 is great. Best in terms of portability and best in terms of features. The only shortcoming is the Traktor Software. But guess what? Virtual DJ makes a mapping for the S4 MK3!!!! When stems features came out, Traktor is the only software to not have stems. Still doesn't have stems. But when I found out VDJ supports the S4 MK3 (sorta not 100%, screen and motorized jog doesn't work). Nonetheless a compromise I'm willing to live with because using VDJ with the S4 MK3 is GREAT
@iamdjtd9 ай бұрын
Lol Traktor was the first dj software to use stems proper stem files not Micky mouse stems
@danielcanaan47878 ай бұрын
@@danielcanaan4787 I mean it's the only software where it doesn't dissect stems on the fly for any song. Having to download special stem tracks isn't it. Virtual dj does a great job at mickey mousing the stems for any track
@iamdjtd8 ай бұрын
@@iamdjtd I understand what you are saying just feel Traktor gets no love for the innovations it brings and like this video says even its controllers are not even mentioned. I have all 4 platforms but keep going back to Traktor it's just the software spent so much time dealing with the EDM crowd it lost its way with open format dj's.Just have to see what is in the pipeline with the whole stem things being done on the fly and with Native Instruments already have stem hardware hoping it will materialise into a great addition with NI controllers
@danielcanaan47878 ай бұрын
That's what she said
@suvanshseth2566 Жыл бұрын
And virtual dj support it now
@jaythomas3274 Жыл бұрын
I need to know wich innofader model is compatible with Traktor s4 mk3. So please if someone knows it just share it.Thanks!!
@jordiquintana5448 Жыл бұрын
If your to take a look on the innofader website there is a compatibility chart which shows which model is suitable for your unit :)
@JustTechnics Жыл бұрын
Hi, nice video man. I have to say that the s4 is indeed very good, the jogs a little small for me (1200 guy), but the main problem is...traktor :D. Im a traktor fan (i use it at home, every day), but for professional use (Club, bars and other stuff) nobody use traktor anymore (only pure techno, house djs - or rekordbox and/or cdjs ). Allmost everybody else (open format, rap, etc) use serato or rekordbox and i think thats the downside of the controller. Dont get me wrong, i love traktor, the sound and the fx are really great, but if you go to the club, nobody use traktor anymore. Ive encounter this problem many times (they look at me like an old ancient dj -im old but still spinning). Besides i think pioneer stuff are not that good, besides the s9 and s11 (s7 sucks for the price), the other things sucks. Even the cdjs sucks (i know ill get many hate saying that, but its the ulgy truth.). Ive seen a couple of videos with rev 7 problems..that will never happen with N.I. stuff :D Wie meine Deutsche Kollegen sagen, 4 Kanal, gute Verarbeitung, "Build like a Tank". S4 R00LEZ!!! :D :D :D. Another thing, there is a pair of custom 1200 with sp 1015 motor (quartz lock all the way +-10). I ll try to search the video. I know you will be interested :D :D :D
@GroundBeatDe2 жыл бұрын
u a bit wrong very big djs like chris liebing using traktor,im from germany
@daflux72 жыл бұрын
@@daflux7 Hallo, ich glaube Sie haben was falsch gelesen :). Ich sage bescheid, daß die Electronic Genre DJs mit Traktor spielen. Open format DJs spielen gerne mit Serato. :D Servus aus Coburg!
@GroundBeatDe2 жыл бұрын
@@GroundBeatDe o right sry thats true
@daflux72 жыл бұрын
It seems the mainstream thinks Traktor is 'so 2006' - if the software isn't updated every 6 months its apparently considered 'dead'. I've seen some incredible ignorance about the Pioneers, as though they are the first company to have ever done spinning platters etc. when the idea has been around for a looong time (I know I am preaching to the choir so I'm not gonna list the models - you know them). All I can really say is a fool and his money are soon parted. Enjoy your controller for the next 2-3 years until the new version comes out, and then... buy another one!
@fkthewhat2 жыл бұрын
Was gunna buy the ddj 1000 but held my mates in a flight case & nearly broke my back so just bought traktor s4mk3 can't wait to get
@jaythomas3274 Жыл бұрын
S4 rocks but Traktor has fallen down be hind the times
@johneccles90512 жыл бұрын
If you know you know
@jasonc6624 Жыл бұрын
Sound quality is also rubbish on the s4
@jamesslaven41038 ай бұрын
S4 IS GOOD BUT MIC OUTPUTS SUCK!!! NI REALLY MESSED UP WITH MIC OUTPUTS THATS THE REASON I SOLD MINE BOUGHT PIONEER SRT 1000 SHOULD HAVE MADE MIC OUTPUTS STAND ALONE INSTEAD OF HITING STUPID SHIFT BUTTON!!! S4 LOVED IT MIC OUTPUTS ARE TRASH!!! SOUND LIKE CRAP!!! NEED EXTERNAL MIXER RUN MICS!!!
Old guy here, 30yrs out of DJ world. Long story short, Son saw some videos of me back in the day and wanted to learn. We researched and found Traktor was the best option so we got an S3 for him. He ran off to college so I was with out a tool box. Bought myself a S4 MK3 and I'm back in the game. No interest in anything but my own entertainment. I agree the S4 is under rated and of course I'm still learning. My opinion about the crossfader: It's down to muscle memory. I remember the "glass feel" of the old Rane I used. The S4 has more feedback and I have grown to like it more. I have been able to achieve an accurate chop with the S4. Maybe logging some time breaking down the basics and developing the muscle memory would be helpful. Props for the effort in presenting these videos. I learn from you guys all the time. Thank you.
Definitely underrated, absolutely love mine. I still can't believe it's the ONLY spinning platter controller I've seen with a 4 channel standalone mixer! I suppose the target audience really just has no use for an extra deck or more inputs, but I'd find being limited to 2 channels on the rane and pioneer to be a dealbreaker at this point
Numark NS7iii also has this. Cheers!
Love my s4, couldn’t resist picking up the 25th anniversary white version too 😬 (second hand) I think the main reason people don’t rave about it as much is due to Traktor falling out of favour for many.
I love the S4 and will never go anywhere else!!!!
Absolutely LOVE my S4 Mk3 along with Maschine+, Maschine Jam and and F1 you have a KILLER live setup dropping in loops samples using the Mashine+ as a drum machine and its SUPER TIGHT with Traktor. But lets see what Traktor come up with next super exited to hear they are working on a new controller and an overhauled Traktor.
Traktor 4 S3 , I bought it over two years ago and I LOVE it!
I would highly recommend Joe Eastons S4 MK3 screen mod (available on Patreon). It takes a little setup to get it where you might want it but it completely transforms this unit into what NI should have released or updated to. Customizable colors, pad modes, effects, screen info and much more. It allows you to almost ignore your laptop if needed.
Yep I saw these mods on Patreon a long time ago, Native Instruments themselves actually recommends them.
@@Reticuli you don't need a subscription to use the mod, just to download it.
I think the reason the s4Mk3 is not talked about is simply because people have moved over to Rekordbox mate. A lot of people thought Traktor was so behind in the world of Dj software. For me me it’s still the best software. That just WORKS.
The browsing is not good in Traktor tho. It's far behind virtual dj or rekordbox. As a resident dj the most important part is to play the right song in the right moment. Traktor doesn't have any quickfilter buttons, highlighters or any smart features. It's really annoying.
@@d.n.3086 Hows the browsing 'not good'??
@@d.n.3086 as someone whos been out of the DJ world for 10 years, im looking to get back into it. I understand what your saying about good filters being important... But can you tell me the difference between rekordbox and traktor in terms of filter options? Why do you like rekordbox more?
@@justinmichael8400 you can use attributes in rekordbox and virtual dj. No attributes for other dj software. I think that's essential. With these attributes you can clean up your browser view very fast and only see relevant songs.
Thank you for this video! I had been wondering the same thing. I've had mine since it was released and I love it!!
Love the S4 M3 it really is underated. Haptic feedback is great too and thats before you delve into stems and remix decks. Love it and would'nt exchange it for any other system on the market at the moment.
I really do like the motorized platters too. I came from vinyl, although hadn't spun a tune since about 2005. You can adjust the weight of the platters - hold jog button then spin the platters to adjust. Also pretty sure you can install an Innofader.
I’ve got the s4 mk3 with a reloop rp8000 set up. I love it. Sold my technics 1210s mk2s and my pioneer CDJs 1000s some years ago. Never got rid of my vinyls tho so this set up is perfect for me. Was like riding a bike. Have hours of fun. Got the big again.
Great video! A lot of people seem to like to hate on Traktor these days. It's still a superb DJ platform. Yes, Native Instruments is very slow with updates and new gear. In my opinion, it's difficult to compete with a big brand and company like Pioneer. Pioneer is great at re-packaging and promoting shiny new hardware without really making that much headway in innovation. I know, stem separation is pretty cool, and flexible beat grids are nice - things that currently lack in Traktor. But, all this technology doesn't make anyone a better DJ. A lot of old skool DJ's could mix before the help of all this latest tech, even back in the days of only mixing on vinyl. It just required more talent and creativity. I think Traktor is still a competitive DJ platform.
The s4 mk3, amazing controller, connected with the f1… lots of fun🙂🤟
Love my S4MK3... Got a djm s7 and RP 7000s... But still love my S4MK3. Such a well designed controller.
Thank you. This was a helpful comparison video.
The s4 mk3 is so underrated it’s amazing for the money and what it’s capable off is also incredible with the remix decks stems and sequences.ok rant over great unit to mix on
Long time “Local” DJ (mostly house parties, a few weddings and a lot of home mixes and scratching) been down since my first set of the old school dual decks for mobile DJ’s in the 80’s lol, then I got a job and was able to finally own a pair of OG 1210’s (been down with my fav genre Hip Hop since I was 10-ish 1981) and I dreamt of owning a pair of 1210’s anyway, I had to move them on in my mid 30’s as starting a family and only 2 bedrooms and yada yada yada, so A few years back now I got the Pioneer DDJ SX2 and I absolutely love it, it has so much to offer and was wondering after seeing your live stream about the state of the fake Technics and a like, and seeing your mini review on the R7 I’d like to know your honest opinion on the SX2, if you covered the subject of none moving platters in this vid I apologise as I am typing as I watch.. Peace MCD
Just rediscovered DJing after a 20 odd year break. Digital, WOW, that sure took off, literally mind = blown! Ain't got a grand plus to drop on a unit to see whether I'm gonna dive back in. Popped over to Vinted, checked out what controllers were up for grabs, after checking many review vids beforehand. Picked up a Mark II S4, immaculate condition, everything working like a dream. £115. Come on!!! One hundred and fifteen pounds!!! Even made the missus happy. 😁
I use my S4 MK3 daily, and every time I feel tempted to switch to the new flavor , I end up weighing what's new and end up telling myself , you have it already or don't need it.
great s4 / traktor is so underrated these times ... i have 15 years that i use traktor and is absolutely the best softwere , and the cheapest
Great video j 👍, I've got that traktor and I think compared its great . The vinyl sound is very good and I've enjoyed using the traktor with my technics and I reckon the pitch is way better then rev pioneer , the position on the pioneer was silly near buttons
Helpful video mate, I'm even more sold on the s4 mk3 as my upgrade now. I bought the s2 mk2 2nd hand as my first controller over a year ago and this seems like the logical next step, are there any other controllers I should consider as an alternative? My main requirements are 4 channels, the ability to hook up a turntable and 8 pads (STEM support would be nice too.) I'd be happy with 2nd hand if that would change your recommendations? Until then it's back to my wonky channel faders on the s2 (waiting on some replacements from aliexpress)
Just bought a brand new S4 …. It’s just amazing
I absolutely love mine with my pair of technics, best bang for buck on the market. Such a fun unit? If you don’t like how heavy the platters feel do you know you can change the weight/ torque on them?
Great bit of kit, yep through the settings on traktor 👍
You can't change the weight/torque while in Turn Table mode unfortunately.
good video man, i just wanted to ask you something about kontrol s4- does it seperate the stems itself or should i do it myself one by one in each song ?
I've been Team Traktor since it's Stanton Days! I have every Kontrol S4 Controller and by far the MK3 is the best. The gripes I have is the lack of Independent Mic input and the lack of a 2nd USB for two DJs to swap in and out.
Sweet controller that traktor. Pioneer is definitely not worth the price in my opinion. The only pioneer kit worth the actual price is the ddj 400. I'm currently using the Numark mixstream pro and loving it and my sets are sooo clean 😏 (on my channel) Engine DJ all the way!
I own a DDJ 1000 srt for about 3 years and have been pretty happy with it. Recently I snapped 2 faders and that lead to a mess of repair fiascos, basically coming down to costing $500 for a new repair. I started looking into possibly upgrading or going with a new controller with motorized jog wheels, and tbh, I hated how the DDJ 1000 is mainly plastic. The Rane 1 really stood out in reviews to me because of the beefy all metal build and motorized platters, but I've been using 4 channels for so long, I didn't want to go down to 2 and so I really started doing some digging. The Traktor s4 kept popping up and after reading and watching many reviews, for the first time in my 5 years of DJing, I bought a non-Pioneer controller. I found a pretty good sale and got the Traktor s4 MK3 for $901 after tax and shipping. It should arrive on Wednesday. I'm a little nervous and a lot excited. I figure at worse, I can return it and just drop the $500 to get my DDJ 1000 repaired but at best, this little beast of a controller blows the "industry standard" and cheaply built Pioneer gear out of the water. Can't wait to find out.
What did you end up doing? Keeping the S4 or repairing the DDJ 1000? If you kept the unit, what are your thoughts on the S4 compared to the DDJ 1000? Cheers.
@@kevbocat5621 I absolutely LOVE the Traktor s4 mk3. I have my 1000 repaired and collecting dust right now. The Traktor just feels better in almost every aspect. I've been told my sound is better too. That was something I thought may just be my imagination but the Pro 3 software is just pushing out better sound for some reason. There are a couple go to effects i miss from the serato pack. I'm sure those same effects are on the Traktor, there's just SO MANNY EFFECTS to pick from and use and manipulate it's taking me awhile to really sit and work with them all. I broadcast my mix and the Pro 3 software has full broadcasting capabilities built into it which makes it so I don't have to go through BUTT. I couldn't be happier with making the switch.
@@jeffreybshuflin6795 Thank you so much for the quick reply. I really appreciate that. For the past two weeks I've been researching different controllers. I bought a Hercules Inpulse 500 about two years ago which I really like and at it's price point, you really get your money's worth. But lately I've wanted to delve into the 4 channel controller market. I've been going back and forth between the S4 Mk3, the DDJ 1000 and the Denon Prime 4. I've never been one to go with "industry standard" stuff. I like to go outside the box so to speak. The S4 really does look like an interesting piece of kit and it also looks like you definitely get the best bang for your buck but a part of me also gets that "too good to be true" feeling as well from it. I want to get something that won't be obsolete in a year or two be it via the hardware or software.
Hello. Great video ! I know S4 mk3 can be used as a standalone mixer, but has it hardware effects to that purpose? The one who has the assignment buttons ? Thank you !
just ordered my s4 mk3 but i have 2 D2's that im going to add to each side. the unlimited power i will have is just going to be awesome!!! one d2 can control 4 decks and 4 remix decks and full control of a stem track with a large screen to see what you are doing.. it gives you the best set up with the ability to control anything with out having switch decks or press the shift button
Recently my S4 MK3 unit started to have "crossfader bleeding" issue and I'm also looking for a replacement crossfader. I looked for the Innofader and on their site it says that the mini Innofader Plus is compatible with the S4 MK3 controller, but I couldn't find any info on forums if someone actually replaced it and used it. Do you think it should be legit since it says it on their website? Best regards, great video btw!
The S4 MK3 is a great controller - IF you can live with Traktor. Which I can't because it still lacks adaptive/flexible beatgrids, which I really need. That was the main reason for me to switch from Traktor Scratch Pro 2.x to Serato a bunch of years ago. Unfortunately (but obviously) there's no S4 support in Serato. I have to agree though, Pioneer's "battle style" positoning of the pitch fader on a controller that has no tonearm that could get in the way is a weird choice.
With the new updates you should able to adjust the beat grid.
@@DjJeffo78 Really? I have to check that out!
as a 1210 fanatic i drooled over the pioneer but really the s4 batters it in terms of features and price
It’s a fantastic controller. Just like any controller they all have their setbacks HOWEVER if NI opens this controller to be able to midi map to other DJ apps it will be the top premium portable controller. Hoping NI is reading this. Traktor DJ NEEDS stems and improved beat grid.
I was disappointed back in the day that no one went with the revolving platters apart from technics so I went with a DVS setup instead of cdjs. Now it's come back like it's a new revolutionary feature? Strange. Can I assign the mixer effects to the volume faders so I can have some rotary mixing action?
I've just seen one near me on FB marketplace for £350 with flight case.
I love the s4 I have watch many good reviews, was thinking to buy one but im skeptical because the traktor software was so behind compare to others out there
To anyone watching you can actually adjust the motor tension in the software... Making it as light or heavy as you like
Yep you can indeed!
How the sound quality compares in these two?
Hello Jay, I’m a a S4 Mk3 user. I love it and it’s flawless. I’m not a scratch DJ and this is perfect for me. 😁
How does it sound with vinyl mate?
Traktor s4 had the first motor jogwheels,wait till s4 mk4 come out,with drummaschine huge screen and huge jogs.I love the s4. i was spinnig on technics mk12/10 14 years before s4,love my s4 . What about the sound beetween s4 and the pionner ?
you actually think Native instruments will come with a controller like that?
@@kelz3454 hard to say,i seen pics in the forum but nothing offical ,(
S4 MK3 is limited that’s why no one is talking about it, Native should turn the unit loose so the DJ can have more use it. But it is a great unit, Native is the cause of it not being popular
In your professional opinion, what do you think is the future for traktor? I've been using traktor since 2011. im trying to hold on but im losing faith that Native instruments is going to come out with another controller or mixer. Traktor is not the standard in the U.S. but i enjoy it. I'm losing faith though.
Pioneer is a nice all in One console, too bad they didn't insert a strobe light to check the movement of the platter ... If Pioneer had collaborated with Technics and maybe they had taken the DZ-1200 project together to create an all in One it would have been the best professional product for Dj. I had the DZ 1200s but I used them very little, the CDJ 1000s were another planet even if the Technics were wonderful to admire ...
There's no need for the strobe light at all on the Rev7. It's to check if the pitch control is within the correct parameters. It's all controlled with the software now, so although it would look cool... it would be redundant.
What about DDJ 800 or 1000 vs Traktor S4?
Can you run Traktor on a REV 7.?
The statement "you dont need large platters" is why no one is mentioning this control. the platters are too small and placed awkwardly, which has been the norm until pioneer almost got it right. Turntable DJs are used to 12" inch vynil. 45" size platters are ok but we rather have at least a 10 inch platter to at least match the 10" serato vynil. The Denon sc3900 was popular because of the 9" platter, the Rane 12 because its fullsize. And those buttons under the jog shouldnt be there. Theres no buttons under the 1200s platters. Pioneer has begun a trend that will soon be the standard.
Battle style position is for turntables with a tone arm and the position is to avoid hitting the tone arm/needle. Unnecessary design in my opinion for this pioneer gear. Great vid and thanks.
hello .i want to know in poor words whoich is better in sound pioneer or traktor and the volujme of headphone in traktor s4 mk3 is good is exellent or is weak?Thanks in advance,because I want to buy a controller but I'm in a dilemma between ddj 100 and traktor s4 mk3.what is your suggestion, I am interested in the output sound quality and the high volume in the headphones.Thanks
I was hoping Native would make some controller with bigger platter.
Maybe one day!
I started off with traktor about 20 years ago and it was my main go to DJ software. Over the last few years the lack of development from NI has left it lagging behind in features and hardware integration. I decided to swap to Rekordbox DJ after getting a DJM S11 about 12 month ago and its been a smooth transition over from traktor. My pals have had the S4 MK1 and MK3 and they are now going over to serato DJ because of the more advanced feature for scratch DJ's. Traktor needs a massive update soon if it is to convince me to go back.
Negative. If you're a Scratch DJ, You really DON'T need more tech. That's ridiculous. Native Instruments Hardware STILL has the tightest Integration with it's Software. And it's mappable to just about EVERYTHING on the Market. I use it with my S( with no issues. And I started off with Traktor since it was the Software for Final Scratch.
Well - Native Instruments are clearly Techno-Machines while Serato has its roots in everything but Techno. I always considered that nonsense but it is true. I am performing on Traktor 4 Decks since about 2010 and I can never imagine doing what I can do in Traktor to be possible in Serato (Of course I got both). I love Seratos touch and sound but NI is Industry standard in Dance Music - period! Then again I do not see any real need for jog and pitch as I am preparing my tracks with cuepoints, grid and loops in advance and NEVER on the fly. Essentially I spend more time on track preparation than with Vinyl (not CD, since I did the same prep with my CD-Decks) those days. And before anyone is going to tell me that that is not real Deejaying... it's not the same thing and shouldn't be compared to good old Vinyl hand pitching. If you disagree, please discuss it with Richie Hawtin or Carl Cox and not with me!
Agree 100%. Been with Native since 2010 as well and have produced pure magic with them. Sound is more "transparent" out of Serato's software. The most transparent sound I've found in Native is to set the EQ Type to Z ISO and the Filter Type to Ladder; and set the Limiter Type to Transparent and the Headroom to None (Internal Mixing Mode). As far as production, it doesn't get any better than Native. It's built for creators and remixers. I mostly work with Techno and I rarely beat match in my mixes or live sets. I also prepare my live sets as well. And I get DJ's hitting me up for ghost-mixing/curating frequently. Deejaying is just like craft brewing. There are hundreds of brew masters that craft their beers in their own way. But nobody drinks the beer due to the process it took the make it. They drink it due to the finished product.
Is the tractor s4 Mk3 a professional DJ controller for the mobile DJ
Yes of course! absolutely fine for mobile and club use, its a superb piece of kit!
The moving platers on the s4 are useless I owned one for 6 moths only any use hooking it up with turntables. Any time I used it with out dvs I turned the moving platters off these weren’t great at all
Pitch also flutters a lot on mine any way…. Sold it for an rx2 then on to the rx3 now got rid of that for the rev7 the s4 mk3 just doesn’t come close have to disagree with you here
It's not getting props because turntablists want bigger platters and a battle style layout.... Clubs type layout? Buy a club style controller🤷♂️
It sounds better then serato
The S4 MK3 is great. Best in terms of portability and best in terms of features. The only shortcoming is the Traktor Software. But guess what? Virtual DJ makes a mapping for the S4 MK3!!!! When stems features came out, Traktor is the only software to not have stems. Still doesn't have stems. But when I found out VDJ supports the S4 MK3 (sorta not 100%, screen and motorized jog doesn't work). Nonetheless a compromise I'm willing to live with because using VDJ with the S4 MK3 is GREAT
Lol Traktor was the first dj software to use stems proper stem files not Micky mouse stems
@@danielcanaan4787 I mean it's the only software where it doesn't dissect stems on the fly for any song. Having to download special stem tracks isn't it. Virtual dj does a great job at mickey mousing the stems for any track
@@iamdjtd I understand what you are saying just feel Traktor gets no love for the innovations it brings and like this video says even its controllers are not even mentioned. I have all 4 platforms but keep going back to Traktor it's just the software spent so much time dealing with the EDM crowd it lost its way with open format dj's.Just have to see what is in the pipeline with the whole stem things being done on the fly and with Native Instruments already have stem hardware hoping it will materialise into a great addition with NI controllers
That's what she said
And virtual dj support it now
I need to know wich innofader model is compatible with Traktor s4 mk3. So please if someone knows it just share it.Thanks!!
If your to take a look on the innofader website there is a compatibility chart which shows which model is suitable for your unit :)
Hi, nice video man. I have to say that the s4 is indeed very good, the jogs a little small for me (1200 guy), but the main problem is...traktor :D. Im a traktor fan (i use it at home, every day), but for professional use (Club, bars and other stuff) nobody use traktor anymore (only pure techno, house djs - or rekordbox and/or cdjs ). Allmost everybody else (open format, rap, etc) use serato or rekordbox and i think thats the downside of the controller. Dont get me wrong, i love traktor, the sound and the fx are really great, but if you go to the club, nobody use traktor anymore. Ive encounter this problem many times (they look at me like an old ancient dj -im old but still spinning). Besides i think pioneer stuff are not that good, besides the s9 and s11 (s7 sucks for the price), the other things sucks. Even the cdjs sucks (i know ill get many hate saying that, but its the ulgy truth.). Ive seen a couple of videos with rev 7 problems..that will never happen with N.I. stuff :D Wie meine Deutsche Kollegen sagen, 4 Kanal, gute Verarbeitung, "Build like a Tank". S4 R00LEZ!!! :D :D :D. Another thing, there is a pair of custom 1200 with sp 1015 motor (quartz lock all the way +-10). I ll try to search the video. I know you will be interested :D :D :D
u a bit wrong very big djs like chris liebing using traktor,im from germany
@@daflux7 Hallo, ich glaube Sie haben was falsch gelesen :). Ich sage bescheid, daß die Electronic Genre DJs mit Traktor spielen. Open format DJs spielen gerne mit Serato. :D Servus aus Coburg!
@@GroundBeatDe o right sry thats true
It seems the mainstream thinks Traktor is 'so 2006' - if the software isn't updated every 6 months its apparently considered 'dead'. I've seen some incredible ignorance about the Pioneers, as though they are the first company to have ever done spinning platters etc. when the idea has been around for a looong time (I know I am preaching to the choir so I'm not gonna list the models - you know them). All I can really say is a fool and his money are soon parted. Enjoy your controller for the next 2-3 years until the new version comes out, and then... buy another one!
Was gunna buy the ddj 1000 but held my mates in a flight case & nearly broke my back so just bought traktor s4mk3 can't wait to get
S4 rocks but Traktor has fallen down be hind the times
If you know you know
Sound quality is also rubbish on the s4
S4 IS GOOD BUT MIC OUTPUTS SUCK!!! NI REALLY MESSED UP WITH MIC OUTPUTS THATS THE REASON I SOLD MINE BOUGHT PIONEER SRT 1000 SHOULD HAVE MADE MIC OUTPUTS STAND ALONE INSTEAD OF HITING STUPID SHIFT BUTTON!!! S4 LOVED IT MIC OUTPUTS ARE TRASH!!! SOUND LIKE CRAP!!! NEED EXTERNAL MIXER RUN MICS!!!