Should SEGA Work With Sonic Fan Projects? Today we ask ourselves a question that I'm sure people have discussed many times "SEGA SHOULD HIRE THIS GUY" and discuss the good and bad that could come from it...
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I don't think people realize how different the atmosphere is of working on a fan project on your own compared to making it for another company, there's a lot more factors when working with someone like Sega, ie budget, deadlines, asking what can/can't be done, etc. Sonic Fans COULD cook something peak officially but it is not as easy as "SEGA HIRE THIS MAN"
10000% something being corporate is very different
Sonic Mania, Streets of Rage 4, ToeJam and Earl Back in The Groove, Sega fans make great games.
Yep. I was going to bother typing this since its so obvious.
Passion projects are passionate, they do it how they want it. Officially they do it in the way they think it would make the most money(even though we would prefer it if it was just a pure fangame that got endorsed by sega untouched but whatever I don’t make the rules)
Fans working on sonic games preferably 3D can be amazing.
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Honestly, I just wished they did more stuff like Murder of Sonic or more smaller games that has more of the Sonic cast in it.
I THINK THEY WILL
@@GamesCage I'm praying for it🙏🏽
They could make some cheap games as long as it’s good
C-Stick? That's really small fedal, like REALLY small. Ouch.
LMFAO
Nah that might be too big. I'd rather call him a New 3DS
I'm down for Sega to work with fans more, but under no circumstances do I think they should ever get their hands on fan games. Fan games THRIVE because they pretty much get to do whatever they want. There are no deadlines, no corporate overlords forcing bizarre changes, and generally the freedom to do whatever you want with the Sonic universe. Games like P06, Sonic and the Fallen Star, and so many others wouldn't exist as they currently do if Sega had complete control over them and sold them as official products.
Yes I agree with this LOL
Yeah the reason why Project 06 is good is because Sega didn't overlook the project XD I would want to buy it to have it be more polished like an official product and be acknowledged as much with optimization. But yeah.
I think with level design or animations then definitely! The amount of passion fans have with sonic is next level!
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By investing into fan projects Sega locks in their motto of Sega does what Nintendon't. By investing into their fans creativity, they can help incentive peoples into doing more creative projects and can pave the way to future creators in the game industry. Plus I think they should do something similar to Hoyoverse by having the Hoyofair events to publicize some creative talents and attract more people's attention.
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You’re cooking
YES. No full answer, JUST YES. LET THEM COOK
Imagine the vision, with what already exists like Project 06 or something that combines a lot of ideas. The possibilities are endless
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I feel when it comes to side projects or spin-offs there’s no real harm in hiring talented fans and giving them more resources to create something for them. It’ll help pad out the wait time while Sonic Team themselves cook with the main stuff.
Bro literally took the words out of my mouth. That's exactly what I've been thinking while seeing all these amazing fan projects float around. And yeah, just because 1 or 2 people made mistakes it doesn't mean the entire community is bad. There's always a good side in every part of something. Thanks for this one, chief ❤
The official Roblox game, Sonic Speed Simulator actually has fans working on it. Nibroc is the head of the project now. So SEGA working with fans isn't farfetched at all.
When it comes to stuff like this, I think it would be great but I really do want to see the main team cook by themselves to show that they can capture the same magic they did back then.
That too!
I mean, Sonic Team rotates through people pretty frequently. (I think?)
We need a evening star type team to help with 3d games
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It would be nice to improve games, if they’re modders in my opinion.
YES AGREE
This Video coming out after seeing Gmod got hit by Nintendo's Ban Hammer😖 I wouldn't mind the idea at all HOWEVER, they do need to be careful with who they pick up.
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SEGA REALLY needs to make Sonic Triple Trouble 16-Bit an official Sonic game now.
It would be great to get another Sonic game with a very specific art style much like Sonic Riders, that intro animation with the cross hatching design was SO crisp. There are so many talented artists that I think Sega should collab with to make a one time hit game with a new style only for that game. Another game Mario hoops 3 v 3 for the DS is another design specific game that’s SO strong that I can see Sonic also doing!
If Peak-06 baseline was used for SA3 we would be so back
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You mean like the official Fazbear Fanverse Initiative? Cuz I can tell you that much that it had its problems, mainly with some of the selected developers. Despite its problems, the initiative is still continuing and the games are still in development. Edit: Oh you actually mentioned that here.
which leaves me in agony and that SEGA has the capacity to deliver sonic games with very high quality but SEGA doesn't want to, it only cares about the sonic team finishing production within the deadline
I think something akin to the Fazbear Fanverse Initiative, a project that allows fans to have their games officially funded and brought to things like consoles, have merch made, etc. could be either the best or one of the worst thing to happen to the series. Imagine getting fan projects like Sonic: Before and After the Sequel, Sonic and The Fallen Star, Sonic Robo Blast 2, Project 06, etc. Officially funded and given Steam and Console ports, merch, etc. I think if done right, that can be an insane move that pays off wonderfully.
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I don't think Sega should fund these fan-projects from the beginning, cuz if they do these projects will be under Sega's control somehow. Instead I think they should make a contest of some sort with different categories (games, music, animation, etc.) , where only *completed* fan projects can be nominated, and the winner gets a load of cash with their product becoming official, and the people who didn't win can get nominated again. This way the fans will get to complete their vision without any outside influence and they will be rewarded nicely once it's done.
Then it'll be a race with which is better than the other, and then it'll be toxic!
Imagine Sonic P-06 getting an official port.
an excellent topic Fadel, I agree with everything you said, an important point is that there are differences between working in a game with your own ideals and rhythm at will and working for a company where the person has a budget, deadlines, as well as rules about what can or cannot be done. Personally, I like the idea and I think it would be a safe bet if there are certain rules to keep the situation on track because sometimes bad management and environment can ruin everything (just like with FNAF) and there are other alternatives that can be explored, there are many talented fans with very good ideas who could exchange experiences with SEGA/Sonic Team if what they do is consistent with what the team wants for the games, an example of this would be the fans who mod Skins, models in general and even animations and gameplay mechanics (some that I remember to use as an example are Sock Tiger, Luxar, Dokatzo, Meloh and even the SRB2 mod with the Zip Dash mechanic) with an exchange of experiences on both sides they could improve and learn even more and do more peak things
I fuck with the idea HEAVYY
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This makes me happy what the hell😭💜
Wouldn't be the first time a company did this too. Valve does it too! There's Portal and Half Life mods that are endorsed and even advertised by Valve, such as Portal: Prelude and Portal: Reloaded being advertised by Valve Hell, the steam workshop is an insane initiative that I'm *shocked* Sonic Team has never utilized before
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I feel like Sega and Sonic team having a fan initiative is actually a great Idea. Animated shorts and art is one thing, But here's some more cons you could have mentioned. An animated series on KZhead would be amazing. Like what if Sega got a group of sonic fan artists (maybe even you) to make a 2D animated Sonic show for KZhead? That would go absolutely insane and It could provide us some Official Sonic content when Sonic team is working on games. Speaking of which, Sega getting a group of Sonic modders and fan-game makers (ones like the devs who mad Sonic forces: Overclocked mod) to make games would be amazing too! They wouldn't be BIG games tho, just smaller titles that would (maybe) release alongside the 2D animated sonic show episodes to keep us occupied as we wait for bigger sonic content from Sonic Team themselves. Also Sega having themselves a Patreon or A smaller dev team comprised of fans to make smaller titles would help out the development of Mainline game GREATLY! More money coming in means a bigger budget for the next sonic game. But this is what I think would work personally. Thoughts?
Fun fact: Before writing for the series and being part of the lore team, Ian Flynn and Evan Stanley worked on their own Sonic fan-comics. Evan had series like Ghosts of the Future, while Ian worked on his Other M comic (granted he's not very proud of the comic nowadays).
YEP
YES! Sega should officially release Sonic Hysteria when Nico CW launches it.
My biggest thing about the idea of fans getting to make Sonic games is that they would need to find indie devs that have a good enough track record releasing paid content. Developing a game in early access, or a fan game is surely a completely different beast as developing a game behind closed doors. You have a lot of feedback from hardcore fans when you're making a fan game while any playtesters behind closed doors for an unannounced project will probably have a more general kind of feedback (I would imagine at least, I'm not a dev). It's absolutely a good idea to try though, Sonic as a franchise has so many beloved characters, but so little room in mainline games to explore them. Like I would love to play a new Silver game, or a Blaze game, or a Chaotix game, etc. Even a Tails game or a Knuckles game, as they are characters who are at the forefront of the series but don't necessarily get center stage. Sonic Team can't make EVERY character playable, but every character has fans and I think they should try to give those fans something to enjoy. There are a lot of options though, they could always hire more employees internally for new teams to make games under their supervision rather than working with outside companies. I just hope they do something to expand the scope of how many Sonic games can be created. I think no matter what, they should look at what fan games are doing well and what people like about them so they can give people the kind of games they want to play. That ended up a lot longer than I thought it would but if you read to the end ily ❤
YEA WE GOTTA TRYYY
Remember Sonic Smackdown? It’s a 2D Traditional Fighter with many Sonic Characters and I’d love for that to be an official thing or just the idea of a Sonic Fighting Game or RPG.
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I think Sega should hire the people who were working on the Sonic fan projects because they definitely do an amazing job giving so much effort into it!
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A lot can easily go wrong with such an initiative, but I think it could be a great idea. It would be better to start slow for now, like animations, while Sonic Team and Sega continue to build themselves so they have more resources to allocate to said fan projects if needed.
I’d rather we try than not LOL
@@GamesCage I feel like it's inevitable, especially with how much they like embracing the fans. I just feel the timing is very important.
Where to meet talented programmers and level designers? 😭😭 I have a project that will change the world!!
Lot of discords you could join!!
@@GamesCage Wow! I can't believe I'm talking to Game Cage! Okay Zawakatsu pull yourself together. You're not going to believe me but I have a super ambitious project that requires professionals, but really professionals. It's a Storybook games project that I've been designing for a while. Which servers for example?
This idea sounds cool but depends execution, sega could really be tight on a project and depends on WHO they get with these projects
It's a weird topic cause it's really cool that Sonic fan projects are allowed but it sucks a bit that they're all free games. Some would deserve some profit with how much work there is. Maybe keep fangames as they currently are or maybe have a program where some profit would be possible, with SEGA also making profit? I don't know much about this topic but Sonic's community is so wild with fan content that I hope there can be a middle ground where everybody is happy.
Agree, it’s. hard topic LOL
As much as I want this it wouldn't work out, especially for modders and coders. The only reason why we can make great stuff is because SEGA is open and we're not bound by deadlines. All of us in the community do things on our own time with a work to life balance that works. Working on Sonic every day is gonna burn you out for sure.
I think Sega should hire fans to work at Sonic Team. There are many fan games that compare to official games and some cases even surpass them. has many fans who are more professional than most sonic team employees
Absolutely the Silver campaign for project 06 proves they should
11:52 Now that you mention it there is also this one Sonic fangame on Roblox that's also like a Sonic level maker It's called Classic Sonic Simulator, I highly suggest checking it out because of how accurate it is to the 2D games and how you're able to play with many others online 👀👀
Was working on my own fan project in Godot when I saw this pop up. So yeah, I like this idea.
Sonic Mania 2? lol really tho I’d love to see that kind of collab
I would LOVE to see a 3D Sonic game by EveningStar or the Rollin Rascal team. Rascal and Penny's Big Breakaway feel so stylized and so Sonic-like and I want to see Sonic in games like those, give us a low poly Saturn era Sonic experience akin to Sonic R or Sonic Jam. It would be so God damn cool
I think the best method would be to just go with the FNAF Fanverse method of offering a group of fans to make the game that they desire within reason. Maybe form a few teams. It would definitely help Sonic. Like look at Sonic Generations. A game built on history mostly kept alive because of mods. With Sonic X Shadow Generations releasing, hire some small fan developers to work on DLC like extra levels. Maybe lend them Tee Lopes to help remix some music with them or get some other remixers for a smaller budget than the main team. It would also help keep Sonic fresh. After Sonic Generations, I think that main console users didn't get anything new until Sonic Mania. I think TSR came after it. I could be misremembering, but it was a long time before we got anything. So, about 6 years of nothing. I think that would be best for everyone. Sonic fans get more content, Sonic Team can take their time on stuff. Even if you go just have some teams working on a £20-£30 game that lasts 2-3 hours. That probably can go a long way depending on people's enjoyment. It gets attention on Sonic and people can end up spending more time with it. And if its something light like a classic Sonic game that's cheap and just a casual fun time, you're not at as much risk of burn out from fans. Especially if you spread things out correctly. I know game development is a lot more complicated. But I think it's worth a shot. And if Kishimoto is playing Rollin Rascal to help understand Sonic, why not support that? It'll build a lot of good will. If they help fun a sequel but the developer keeps all of the control just SEGA gets a cut of the profits.
no SEGA shouldn't use a crutch like that
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*Sega hiring fans would likely result in the products being rushed or too low budget to fit whatever fan ideas.* Fan projects are what they are because they are fan projects. Free. If a "solution" to making a proper Sonic game is so easy that any other fan could make it, its clear that working corporate is a different story. Also, Sega may decide a game needs to be longer. So Sega corporate would have more werehog or treasure hunting levels added to pad the game. Resources dedicated to things fans may not neccessarily want while the game still needs to launch at the end of the year. Fans working with Sega is unlikely to make any real difference. Except that "fan" may be under pressure to have the game finished alot soonse than they can handle
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it seems that the yakuza and persona teams get SEGA's best employees, while the sonic team gets the worst employees or employees with less experience
It just means fangames would be rushed. Then given "corporate changes" to force in the game.
Man, since how AMAZING Mania was I’ve been wanting them to do the same thing but with a 3D game! Faaak it would be sick! 😻
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Having fans work with Sonic Team sounds cool in concept, but there are many liabilities with that that could botch the idea in execution. Fan games have the benefit of working on their own time with no corporate oversight, something Sonic Team doesn't have the leisure to do in order to deliver a product by a specific quarter. There's also no mandates on which character the developers and artists decide to utilize in fan works compared to Sega's notorious mandates (*cough* Shadow *cough*). There's no limits to creative experiences and taking gameplay risks, something most AAA game studios today aren't brave enough to do. Let's not forget that anyone that is brought on board would need to behave and conduct themselves accordingly as they would be representing Sonic Team, and the last thing we want is Sonic fans getting more of a bad rep because of immature individuals. All in all, this situation seems like a monkey paw kind of problem.
If they made a 3d momentum game like other fan games with roll on r and spindash on r+spam a something that a lot of fangames do I would be happy
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Idk if chaos x would love to help out with official game cause I would love it if they help out making Sonic adventure remakes
That could work the fan made sonic games and sega should work together
yes because hopefully the good vibes rub off on other companies like nintendo, gamefreak, ea, ubisoft, etc. gotta reverse the greed train and go more towards fun
Fully budgeted GT would be crazy
that’s just Rollin Rascal LMAOO
@@GamesCage LOL you have a very good point! Can’t wait to see that game fully finished
One reason on why fan projects might not get completed is probablythey are done by a small group of people or usually just one person , and it's just a side project for their passion , i imagine some of them already have jobs , so i don't think it would be realistic to expect something more coming out of this , another reason why i would not compare to the fnaf universe it's because fnaf games are more simple by nature , the first 3 fnaf games came out in less than 1 year , i think the most probable scenario would be the mania route again , where there's on game made since these projects need a lot of supervision
Exactly LOL, so maybe this would give em a way. BUT WE’Ll c
Honestly ya, let Sega hire fans to do side stuff like a fighter, racing, especially Classic Sonic, etc. The fans don't have to do 3d, lett the main team handle it. Sega should give them a bigger budget cuz its Modern Sonic and the next open zone game has to be next lvl and they can still be looked at as a competent company who can make a stellar 3d Sonic game. If Sega improves on their business relationship and has fairly enough budget for the fans (Which they should thxs to the movies), then this would be a good move, especially with having more content for fans n less of a wait for a new mainline game. Plus they could also help out with other Sega ips n even make a new ip too
Hear Me Out A sonic Game called Sonic FanFare A Complication of Sonic FANGAMES And Newer one get added while some Sonic FANGAMES get Updated
Well we have seen that there are many fans that can do great things. That Triple Trouble fangame would be great as an official part of the series
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I think it’s a great idea to have fans work on stuff for them as long as they place *reasonable* limitations. Sonic Mania turned out fantastic!
Scott Cawthon does this with FNAF so I don't see why not. These could easily fit in the canon.
No. I've seen many older games get passed on to their communities. What usually results are a lack of direction and a plethora of poor choices and low-quality work. This is actually happening with Team Fortress 2 right now. Once outsiders are getting paid to work on games, they will do the bare minimum they need to do for that paycheck.
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@@GamesCage They have a point. Fans tend to forget there is a business side behind the Sonic IP and its company, especially the Sammy company. They own Sega, or what’s left of it.
Sonic fanganes are cool but... They could work on something but honestly how would fair cooperate pressure?
gassing this up so that we could get official sonic p06
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Hey we just go to officially endorsed project 06 and bring it to the switch, I am all on board 😎
Depends who they work trust me i hope that Sega would never work with the omens team with the "maria file" and monetary and gameplay controversy
Where didyou get the tyson hesse poster behind you at?
My friend KornArt has an art shop LOL
Hey does anybody know the song that plays at around 2:36? I remember it but I can't remember where it's from...
i think if sega want to move to Unreal Engine 5 They should maybe use the infinity engine!
If Sega would it hopefully they don't hire Oborialas (Sorry for the spelling) the studio that makes Sonic Omans.
Yes. Sonic Robo Blast 2, Robotnik's Ring Racer (I think that's what it's called) and SRB2 Kart, all the SAGE games, those would be great if they were made official. They are all good games to play online and a heck of a lot better than the Sonic games made by Sonic Team and Sega themselves. Plus you have Sonic Mania and how well that game did in terms of sales and advertising. Think about how DOOM allows WADs. If Sega can allow fan games to be official and offer mod support, DUDE. They would be raking in so much cash!
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tbf Sonic Mania proved this so I wouldn't mind
YEAH LIKE FAST FRIENDS FOREVER WAS A REALLY BIG EXAMPLE OF THIS WORKING REALLY WELL
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@@GamesCage GOD HONESTLY I WOULD LOVE DRAWING SMTH FOR A SEGA PROJECT THAT WOULD BE AWESOME
Absolutely! It's quite literally a win win!
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I feel like despite the con of this idea it could work and help sonic change for the better but i feel like if they do this they should do it at leadt once and see how the first batch of developers do i dont want another fnaf fanverse situation i was really excited for fnaf plus and then alll that bs happened
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Project 06 should be released on steam.
Call you what the way you, WHAT??
with how amazing sonic fan games have been, i’m surprised sega HASN’T gotten involved (aside from mania ofc)
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One the best moves that Sega can do is buy the marketing rights of Project 06 finish it up and launch it as a remaster if they could do that then they would rewrite history and make one of the worst games to have ever exist into an amazing masterpiece!
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Fandoms’ gotta go fast!
please someone send this video to someone who works at sonic team and to the executives at SEGA
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@@GamesCage shows the good part, by the way
JJK fans and Sonic Fans really be creating high art for free
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Do you have fans who work at Sonic Team?
Sonic mania is my favorite Sonic game. I most definitely want them to work with sega.
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I think its a good idea but yeah you gotta be careful when finding fans to work on official games lol
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Let ChaosX remake Adventure 1&2. 'Nuff said.
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Is there any way we can demand Sega to produce quality games?
capcom should do this with mega man
I got something to tell ya... In the latest Tails Tube vid, Sonic says "bitched" within the FIRST minute.
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Haven't watched the video yet, but let me just say: Sega SHOULD endorse P-06 and release it on all consoles! Please!
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THE WAY YOUR GONNA SHOW ME UR WHAT?!
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Not an impossible idea
COULD WOOORK
Are you going to do another sonic amv
Yes! Thinking around August-September!
I’m glad to hear it I hope I can afford the equipment to make a amv
Before I even continue the video the answer should be yes fun fact a Japanese company called Hololive has actually started a program where they actually team up with indie devs to make games based off there talent's so yes it can most definitely be done and don't underestimate the lengths VTuber fans will go to support there favorite talent's.
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LET SEGA COOK WITH FAN GAMES.🍳
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I think the only worse stick you could have compared yourself to is the one on the bottom-right of the “new” 3DS model. 💀
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FADEL WHY ARE YOU LIKE THIS
I’m HIM
yes!!
definitely
wellp that was fast