American Runestones (with Dr. Henrik Williams)
Professor Henrik Williams (Uppsala University, Sweden) presents about runestones found (or "found") in North America and answers questions from Patreon supporters of Jackson Crawford in this Patreon-exclusive Zoom interview recorded live on May 22, 2022.
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The journey to the center of the earth stone was awesome. Not a fake just a nerd making fan art.
That sounds cool, haven't seen it? They named the Antarctic Place with the now, No Fly zone after Admiral Byrd!!!
I think it's beautiful the way he's interested in contemporary runic stuff as well as ancient/hiztoric runic styff.
The clicking sound stops at 07:07 It's a microphone scratching against a zipper
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I've studied geology, and it seems to me that it should be possible to get a reasonable estimate for when the Heavener runes were carved. Determine the rate of erosion of an exposed rock of that rock type, in that location or that area, taking into account variations in climate and land use over the past centuries. Then try to find the actual amount of erosion on a microscopic scale in the mineral grains of the rock, both where it's untouched and where it's been carved. It won't give you a year, but it should be able to get you to within a century or two. Certainly good enough to distinguish between 1000 years and 200 years.
The language is proto-norse
@@n0namesowhatblerp362 That doesn’t prove much, someone with the knowledge could have carved it recently.
Geologist here: no, it won't. There are too many factors to take into account, the most obvious one being how long a given carving may have been buried: if it's buried, it obviously not going to erode as much. Also, no one can get to that level of detail in trying to determine erosion.
@@keith6706 it’s also not going to erode as much if it isn’t left out in the elements as long either.
Yea I think you're expecting too much sensitivity in being able to determine erosion
Very interesting! Thank you, Prof. Williams!
Love these guys. Both have a great sense of humour.
Henrik Williams is as good a writer as he's knowledgeable. I'm having a great time reading his book about the Rök runestone.
Fantastic discussion. Thank you.
Thank you for a fascinating and informative video. I enjoyed it tremendously.
Awesome video jackson. I might have a suggestion for a video..I’d love to hear your thoughts and opinions of The battle of Stamford bridge, and the lone Viking
I'm from Oklahoma, and this is what I know about the Heavner Rune Stone. It is located in Le Flore County, which is located in Choctaw Territory. It is written that the county was named after a prominent family part French and part Choctaw. The words Le Flore in Choctaw mean Little People.
Le Flore comes from French "Les Flores" meaning "the florae", probably do to the scenery and hills of the area. As do a few other names in the region, like the nearby town Poteau meaning "post". Little people in Choctaw is "Okla ushi"
So most runes come from people who think it would be fun to have runestones. Then people come along wanting to believe, or claiming to believe, that the runes are ancient. Weird.
Runrike (Vallentuna) is also quite close to both Birka and to Old Uppsala, which were both important places during the viking age.
I grew up around where the Narragansett Runestone was found, recovered, and placed on public display. I was able to to get many opportunities to look at it very closely. But as you point out, there are quite a few in the U. S.
One thing is sure, Siberians came to the Americas in at least three phases thousands of years before Columbus did.
Was there ever a follow up to the possible link between the Oklahoma "runic" inscriptions and the Cherokee written language?
Tack för ett mycket givande inslag! -Kunde inte Jackson Crawford bli gäst professor i Uppsala för en tid? Runstenarna finns i Sverige och den intresserade publiken i USA.
I was about to compliment Williams on his Swedish pronunciation (and tell him to work a bit more on his Danish) -- until I saw on Wikipedia that he is actually Swedish. That's cheating! Instead, I'll compliment him on his English :)
I may bark up the wrong tree here, as I have no expertise in terms of runes or the Norse language (though I have a fascination and interest in both), and you guys are way above my pay-grade concerning this. Having said that, the Heavener runestone translation did give me, as a Norwegian, a bit of a pause, as the translation of gnomedal to "little valley" in modern Norwegian seems to be off, never heard gnom or gnome as a reference to little (liten), or at least not in a sense of geographical features or in connection with non-biological things. Though you do come across the word in terms of "nisse", "underjordiske" or people. Also, the word "gnom" does not have any direct connection to the Norse language, as far as I know. What I do know is that the word "gnom" is thought to have been invented by a Swiss national who lived at the end of the 1400's and beginning of the 1500's. Hence, one could surmise that the word "gnom/gnome" would not be generally known in Scandinavia until mid to late 1500's at the earliest. At a guess, translation to "glomedal" would be a bit more accurate, but then it would not be "little valley", but "shadow valley" or some-such dark related translation. Just to add to Dr.Henrik Williams comment about the lack runestones to the west. Norwegian runestones, those we have, are almost exclusively elder futhark, hence most Norwegian runestones are older than the colonisation of Iceland, which in turn points to runestones, as he mentions, were not in use by the Norse culture the settlers from Norway belonged to. If memory serves, runestones can be found in Norway dating from 200 CE to around 800 CE after which it more or less stops all together, in Denmark and Sweden you get some from 200 CE to 800 CE when the use tapers off, with a resurgence around 1000 CE. As I wrote, I may be barking up the wrong tree here. Would love to get a reply to correct all misconceptions evidenced here.
Did you ever get forensic dating of edges of inscriptions etc?
28:45 this statement here is such an important one, so many people run away with stories and identities get ingrained, even if based in a falsehood
I've been to Heavener, OK, and seen the Heavener Runestone. It's an interesting artifact (the stone is indeed massive), in a beautiful location. They definitely believe it's genuine, and try to get you to believe it's genuine.
Curious about what your belief might be
At 26 minutes: how do you spell Sonia Aries? I don't think the closed captions got it right!! Thank you for your help.
28:10 Is there a website or online reference to this Morrison, CO, runestone? And Jackson, NorsePlay will fund you the $20 admission to get in to go vet that runestone.
Since some rune stones were carved by Scandinavian immigrants, what do we know about how they passed that knowledge on from generation to generation. Does each family have their own variations? Or kept as a code? And would that account for the heavener rune stone. That the carvers family passed down a particularly ancient looking set of runes?
Have you checked the cracks in the broadway sidewalk? There could be a Runestone cowboy.
If you were to find rune stones inland in the US, instead of just east coast, would the great lakes not be plausible? Newfoundland to the great lakes via Gulf of St. Lawrence coastal travel down the St. Lawrence river? a lot of granite deposits that area due to the glacier, seemingly giving a good canvas not to be eroded. However, Professor Williams point about runestones going out of style makes a ton of sense.
Having had a longtime interest in rune stones and inscriptions (since childhood, inspired initially by Fredric Pohl's "Atlantic Crossings Before Columbus"), have found this video extremely fascinating and insightful! Have actually carved some runic inscriptions over the years which I suspect may mystify a few of the curious off in the future, at least in the short term. No attempts at fakery, these, merely a nod to my ancestry.
Pohl's writing is mostly a bunch of nonsense.
@@EdinburghFive Well, the guy's main claim to fame was writing science fiction! But to a young kid, his claims were inspiring nonetheless!
@@olofjansson9356 Yes, indeed. I enjoyed a few of his books as well. They fall into the realm of entertainment versus valid historical research.
@@olofjansson9356 You may be mixing up Frederick J. Pohl with Frederik George Pohl. The later was the science fiction writer. The former wrote 'Atlantic Crossings Before Columbus'.
1 hour in, you answer a question on why there are so many rune stones in a certain area. You say that with Harald Bluetooth, raising a stone with runes on it, it became fashion. Could there be a link back to the east where Swedes served in the Varangian Guard? Did Arabic people, perhaps also like Ibn Fadlan, who had writing in their skill set, bring it to Sweden? Or that Vikings getting back from their travels, like learning to use sails, thought that writing was beneficial to them? At some point, they must have come across ruins or left overs from the Romans or in trade posts in Germanic countries, having inscriptions.
I think oral culture shares the same type of relationship with literacy (runes)as faith shares with religion (cannon).
So is it possible that tribes already in north America had contact with Norsemen, learned about runes and then had their own derivation which may have died out or evolved into Cherokee writing for example?
No. You picked a bad example, because we know precisely when the Cherokee syllabary was invented, and we even know by who: Sequoyah started working on it in 1809, and finished it in 1821.
@@keith6706 True, that was a bad example, but I still wonder if there was some cross pollination that was eventually lost.
I think this guy should partner with Duolingo for an old Norse course so that anybody could learn it
Ive been trying to figure out how to transcribe my name, Eric, into runes just for fun. You think it would be easy since there are actual examples of “Eric” in runes however navigating online resourses has been difficult and many of the items do not have a photograph. the few that do are not easily correlated to the translation text. It seems like they are for people who already know a lot about runes or at least speak a Scandinavian language. The best I could find is something like “MRIC” but from what little i could gather from objects like the Eric stone, MRIC is not correct. PS i live near Tulsa Oklahoma and I am working on getting permission from landowners to look at the Turley stone. I dont know if you know but sadly Phillip Knapp has passed away.
Ive been looking at The Sparlösa Runestone and think i figured it out. What threw me is part A on the west is one line of rune that stretches the full width. I was thinking its 2 lines of runes. §A ᚼ:ᛁᚢᛚᛋ ᚴᚼᚠ ᚼᛁᚱᛁᚴᛁᛋ ᛋᚢᚿᛦ ᚴᚼᚠ ᚼᛚᚱᛁᚴ - the runes §A h:iuls khf hirikis sunʀ khf hlrik - Transliteration to Latin characters §A Aiuls gave Eiriki’s son gave Alrik - Literal translation to English §C ...ᛋ-- ᚿ ᚼ--ᚦᚼᛏ ᛌᛁᚴᛘᛅᚱ ᚼᛁᛏᛁ ᛘᚽᚴᚢᛦ ᚼᛁᚱᛁᚴᛁᛌ ᛘᛅᚴᛁᚾᛁᛅᚱᚢ ᚦᚢᛅᚬ · ᚼᚠᛏ ᚼᛁᚢᛁᛌ ᚢᚴ ᚱᛅᚦ ᚱᚢᚿᚬᛦ ᚦᚼᛦ ᚱᚼᚴᛁ-ᚢᚴᚢᛏᚢ ᛁᚢ ᚦᚼᚱ ᛌᚢᚼᚦ ᚼᛚᛁᚱᛁᚴᚢ ᛚᚢᛒᚢ ᚠᚼᚦᛁ §C …s---n(u)(ʀ)-a-- þat sikmar aiti makuʀ airikis makin(i)aru þuną · aft aiuis uk raþ runąʀ þaʀ raki- ukutu iu þar suaþ aliriku lu(b)u faþi ' §C that Sikmar Eiriki’s runes there there
What about tune stones from Russia?
Thought I heard Ukraine too? Heavener is real
What is that noise in the back ground?
zippers and microphones are incompatible technologies
I saw some runes in the honey bucket at work. They said something bad in English.
Maybe we should be carving messages on stone for people to discover a thousand years from now. They would certainly last longer than paper. If we come up with any predictions for future generations that would be more interesting than a message in a bottle or a simple so and so lived here in such and such a year.
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The 3rd from the left looks like half of one Cherokee symbol. None of the others really did. Maybe another halfway.
Klaraelven i Sverige heter Glomma på Norske siden
Klarälven heiter Trysilelva i Noreg. Heile Glomma rinn i Noreg frå Aursunden til Fredrikstad.
@@Ramngrim Dr. Crawford must have taught this old lady and I've studied enough.. I can read you said something like, " Glomma Valley/Land...of Fredrikstad Anderson a Norwegian? What's even more Ironic is my Great-Grandfathers= Fredrick Leo, Greatgrand= Anderson from Denmark.!!
@@Ramngrim Da husket jeg feil, men navnet var det viktige, takker for den.
You talk about the Skandinavianv's island is not in Skandia and Leifur heppni was bourn in Iceland so was not skandinavian
Please, please, please contact Lex Fridman to get on his podcast. I think I'd be so cool
Why? He has nothing to do with any of the topics covered on this channel.
The Roseau stone looks like fossilized snake skin
they didnt go to istanbul , they went to constantinopolis, or miklagård