The Northrop YF-23

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The rational was based on the fact that both aircraft met and exceeded the requirements and Lockheed Martin had the better project management as stated by the former USAF chief engineer.

Northrop were behind schedule and overbudget on the B-2 program. Plus the USAF wanted ATF to be extremely agile (at the time everyone jumped on the TVC bandwagon, Northrop did not)

Bribery, a whole lot of bribery. We are talking about Lockheed after all.

Cessna could have made a better plane than NG

@@vlogmaster9568 Who did they bribe?

Not a fanboy of F-22, but this fighter jet is ugly.

@@thuydoan7496 You blind

@@thuydoan7496 What do you consider a good looking fighter then?

@@battleoid2411 The F-22 is certainly a very good looking fighter jet compared to the YF-23. The F-22's design is a derivative of the F-15, which is also a good looking fighter jet, but with an outdated design. 👍

@@thuydoan7496How is it derivative from another manufacturer's aircraft? I don't think Boeing would allow that.

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Don't be. It was the inferior aircraft for what the USAF wanted and needed. Plus, the current F-22 looks infinitely better.

@@Ripa-Moramee would be interesting to see how the 23 would have been upgraded over the years

@@oneway1512 Avionics and additional radar absorbing material definitely would have been one of them. But apart from that, not likely much. It would have ended up the same way the f-22 is now, although the F-22 did quite drastically improve from its prototype to what it is today. Even the difference between the prototype and the first production f-22's is noticeably different.

@@Ripa-Moramee Hard disagree, YF-23 looks way better aesthetically. They even had plans on updating the frame to be even better. The pilot who flew both said they both manoeuvre the same without needing thrust vectoring. YF-23 tail fins were the same size as the F-22 wings. It was purely political that it lost. With the transition to BVR the whole thing about needing to point your plane in the direction of the enemy to fire was pointless, even more so after the cold war ended. YF-23 would have been the superior plane then and now as it is more stealthy.

@@Accuaro You can disagree all you want, it doesn't change the facts. Firstly, how does a oddly shaped dorito winged hotdog with a extended cockpit not apart of the main fuselage look even slightly as good as the F-22 we see now? It doesn't, and the fact you are incapable of acknowledging this shows your ignorance on the subject. If that wasn't evident enough already, your claim that they maneuvered the same certainly is as it is literally the primary reason it was selected over the YF-23, as the ATF was outlining a stealthy dog fighter to combat the maneuverable SU-27 and MIG equivalent that had been spotted by spy's, which worried the US military. So, as such they invented something better than what the USSR claimed they had, which, obviously was nowhere near as good as what they claimed so the US military as always, completely over compensated with the ATF program. If you actually had thorough research, you would know this. kzhead.info/sun/krGOe5ZsaKeQe4U/bejne.html

good persec!!!

+ all the modern upgrades the f22 has got

They had already developed/designed the upgrade for it to 2D. It was the better platform and was not chosen and IDK why.

@@wilsonrawlin8547 it was not as maneuverable as the f22..

hahah its because it was filmed in the 80s/90s i believe, didnt add any vfx other than some colour correction. thanks though!

Thanks for stating the obvious

@@oneway1512 u mad?

@@goober1107 yes very mad

then it would just be science. with that logic though, you know what is sci-fi? the F35s 😎😎

makes you wonder if they made this 33 years ago what do they have now

USA so advanced it literally made better aircraft better than an su 57, raptor and a j20. Combined.

No it's not. YF-23 lacked thrust vectoring capabilities, and thus had poor maneuverability during a dog fight.

​@@thuydoan7496thats the worst argument ever. Its like saying a bear isnt stronger than humans because humans have guns. Dogfights are very unlikely because of missiles. Either the enemy will die before the dogfight or it will die to HOB missiles.

@@konstantin-vi4hy Are you kidding me ? Dog fighting is so important in air to air combat that it makes a huge difference between winning and losing in order to to gain air dominance.

correction it lost in the rate fight, its stealthier abilities were actually thermal related not RCS which was imporved on the f-22. yes the yf22 and f22 are completely different aircraft. faster well kinda. northrop didnt put limiters on their jet engines which made them drink fuel like no tomorrow. Not only that the yf-23 was taking longer to produce, was eating the budget way more then the yf-22 at the time and the yf-23 didnt really meet the radar preformance at the time due to its smaller raydome.

funny coincidence, just watched ur free bird video the other day lol

And America still is. russia is run by the mafia, china is a dictatorship that makes their infrastructure out of toothpaste india's tallest mountain is probably made out of garbage australia is rampant with corruption and new zealand is basically having a civil war.

@@BEANBOYOBEANITHThe illegal immigrants flooding to the US and the jews in New York being insecure about their religious identity, Yup The USA is a perfect country.

No it's not.

No, it isn't, it's the basis for Northrop's entry into the NGAD, and it was more advanced than the YF-22 in several aspects, but it's a 5th gen, even the engineers would tell you that.

Nah nah, looks like a 6th gen

We probably will look back on the Grey Ghost YF-23 with YF120 variable-cycle engines as a portent of future 6th generation fighters. Prioritizing low radar observables, high supercruise efficiency for the large Indo-Pacific region, and BVR lethality over maneuverability.

dont need TVC if you can kill the enemy from 200mi away

What he said and the designers had that designed as an option.

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varo - imagine

correction it lost in the rate fight, its stealthier abilities were actually thermal related not RCS which was imporved on the f-22. yes the yf22 and f22 are completely different aircraft. faster well kinda. northrop didnt put limiters on their jet engines which made them drink fuel like no tomorrow. Not only that the yf-23 was taking longer to produce, was eating the budget way more then the yf-22 at the time and the yf-23 didnt really meet the radar preformance at the time due to its smaller raydome.

Double correction, the YF-23 looks like a pancake compared to the F-22

this is real footage from the 90s

@@oneway1512weird, this comment was supposed to be on a different video. Whoops.

Tell me. Where can you use thrust vectoring in BVR and general missions?

@@konstantin-vi4hy When you want to gain air dominance, you must rely on dog fighting abilities to gain the upper hand. Without thrust vectoring, your dog fighting abilities will be limited and restrained, it would then be very hard to defeat the adversary in achieving air superiority.

​@@thuydoan7496Missiles won't care about your cool turns

@@oxide8696 Thrust vectoring can help dodge a missile attack. That's a very important ability to have on a fighter jet. It can also help the fighter jet quickly loop around the enemy, so that they can get into the attacking position instead. When you are in a dog fight, you will need to have excellent maneuverability or you'll be at a disadvantage.

@@thuydoan7496 Second missile won't care. You also lose a lot of energy doing these, so you'll only be putting yourself at an disadvantage. Maneuverability isn't the most important thing anymore.

ok boomer

i agree

@@prodvaro🤣🤣

@@oneway1512 as someone who isnt a boomer yes the music sucks fucking ass