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I can easily describe Lauren Chen: "I'm not a feminist, (but I have feminist beliefs)." The same can be said for Lila Rose, Amala Ekpunobi, Brett Cooper, and almost every other female Republican and conservative in North America. It is what it is.
@JamesASharp4 күн бұрын
The indoctrination is complete
@MattieK092 күн бұрын
@@MattieK09yup the J’s have so much control over us at this point its horrible
@Wheatthin212 күн бұрын
But this applies to all the men from the boomers onwards as well.
@orthotuberКүн бұрын
@@orthotuber Very sad reality.
@JamesASharpКүн бұрын
Because they are women first, conservatives after. They are not totally immune to programming and molding much like anyone else but especially minorities
@Jnvlv247Күн бұрын
At this point, Feminism in an overwhelming majority of Western women isn't a Yes\No question, it's a 'degree of' question.
@Doberman-ml7fv10 күн бұрын
It was an eye opener for me. Its a testament to how successfully feminism has embedded itself into modern western culture and education as a whole.
@terah1017 күн бұрын
Here’s the thing, if he asked “are you a feminist?” Lauren would say “no, I’m not”. That’s not what he did. He wanted to make Lauren look trapped by repeating her points back to her but he wasn’t understanding what she was saying.
@jasminer52866 күн бұрын
@jasminer5286 He still got through to her and she admitted where she went wrong a bunch of times 😂
@jaquinrice79236 күн бұрын
@@jaquinrice7923 I never said she didn’t admit when she was wrong, but that shows more to her character than his anyways. Either way, the OG comment above is talking about feminism not being a “yes or no” question anymore, but it still is. Many women who don’t believe in feminism would just outright say “no”. Her admitting when she’s wrong doesn’t change that point.
@jasminer52866 күн бұрын
@jasminer5286 Yeah but contradictions make the rule and she was a great advocator for men but once she got married, she started going in on the red pill, I get what you're saying but that's always how Andrew is going to be. I don't watch neither, however there are a few conservatives that don't give the time of day and she was one of them. But yeah she definitely learned from this experience no doubt.
@jaquinrice79236 күн бұрын
Mad respect for tangling with Andrew. Most people are cowards.
@ChronJay11 күн бұрын
true but to be blunt she got her butt whooooped
@lvup790710 күн бұрын
Much respect for Lauren for engaging with Andrew
@DAILYDRIVER55612 күн бұрын
And getting schooled.
@Marcus_MG4212 күн бұрын
Ikr..he's a crazy person
@AJ........12 күн бұрын
And schooling him*
@andrewbenner634912 күн бұрын
And schooling him
@andrewbenner634912 күн бұрын
@@andrewbenner6349 settle down simp…she didn’t school him on shit
@DAILYDRIVER55612 күн бұрын
Lauren, I appreciate your humbleness and your willingness to actually listen to people. Your calm demeanor is one of the reasons I have watched you all these years.
@thegreenhenryshow880912 күн бұрын
Its the asian in her they understand how to be quiet and just listen which is a positive attribute. Its really a lost art form in the feminist mindset.
@sole__doubt11 күн бұрын
She was very patient with this guy. He's hostile in a way that feels over the top, or performative.
@james563710 күн бұрын
@@james5637 She was patient and he was disrespectful because deep down he believes that women are underlings and need to be lectured (brainwashed) into submission to men.
@ankymrn10 күн бұрын
@@ankymrndid you even watch the thing she agreed with him on everything
@JacobsNews9 күн бұрын
She's easy on the eyes too...😂
@Sam-df9rs9 күн бұрын
Well handled Lauren. Andrew may be abrasive however he's honest and no nonsense and that is what is needed against the degenerates.
@pedritonavaja559612 күн бұрын
A lot of nonsense and drivel, honestly. Did he even once state an argument of Lauren's correctly? No, just throws in extra premises and then ridicules his straw man. Bad faith.
@josephalbatross596112 күн бұрын
@@josephalbatross5961Can you post a timestamp as an example? I watched the entire thing live, this sounds like a load of BS to me.
@Tauramehtar12 күн бұрын
@@Tauramehtarit's bs Andrew was correct on pretty much everything
@scottdawson631411 күн бұрын
How is he abrasive? If you don't speak like a woman this is abrasive? You're part of the problem
@patstedmanspolishpassport926411 күн бұрын
@@Tauramehtar He made strawmans with Myron callin him a degenerate but his redpill message is intact. Lauren just questioned the Sugar daddy instance but he made it sound petty that she even asked. Then she questioned Pearl's tweet, without really condemning her, and he took it personal. Listen to how female he got cussing at her LOL. Its embarassing! Then said Lauren isnt talkin truth yet all she was doin was questioning the tweet, Myrons sugar daddy page, and Nala's born again moment. With the Nala thing with him scolding her acceptance when in actuality all she said was "we shall see if its real or not" but Lauren was just giving a benefit of the doubt and Andrew didnt accept her answer as that, but that claiming (without saying it) to be a hypocrite because he wouldnt accept NAla because of her recent "Born again" claim, but like Lauren said or at least try to say, she wants to give her a shot and see if its true or not. Andrew was being too abrasive with someone who isnt anything like the girls that they both criticize. He even said his only reason he was on was because of Lauren's criticism of Pearl. I like all these people and watched them for a while now, but it seems he was so offended he had to try and batter Lauren for her very mild critiques.
@mosj987611 күн бұрын
Big w for Lauren for keeping her cool and listening to his words instead of reacting to his tone like most people do
@CRoyaI11 күн бұрын
I will definitely give props for that
@Chunchunmaru1811 күн бұрын
Or he could learn the social graces.
@ZephaniahL11 күн бұрын
@@ZephaniahL Yes. Too many of the "Red Pill" men act like fools before even speaking.
@Jigsaw009711 күн бұрын
@@ZephaniahL Tone police, it's what they do to Trump "I don't like your tone", Lauren did a good job at saying "there is nothing wrong with Andrew's tone."
@slowville663711 күн бұрын
@@slowville6637Part of being a traditional, Christian man is to be aware of your tone and knowing when and how to use it. A big part of of being Christian is to become more like Jesus Christ. Who was not always abrasive, if ever really. Even when dealing with people who disagreed with him or those whose lifestyles he saw as sin and/or wrong.
@LordOnyx0910 күн бұрын
I always knew Lauren was based. Slightly misguided, but intelligent to admit she was wrong.
@bobcruz282612 күн бұрын
What everyone is missing is that Laurens views are a reflection of a weak husband.
@TheConpuentes12 күн бұрын
@@TheConpuentes They're from Canada... All things considered, they're pretty based lol.
@OrthoLou12 күн бұрын
Not misguided... just trying to preserve as much of her gains as she can. We predicted this over a decade ago.
@DiogenesDworkinson12 күн бұрын
She had no choice but to submit to Andrew. Because Andrew is a based patriarchist.
@Marcus_MG4212 күн бұрын
@@Marcus_MG42 I wonder how many men stood before the judge and their wife's lawyer because they believed that...
@DiogenesDworkinson12 күн бұрын
He’s not wrong, you can’t blame RP for offering solutions to the world as it exists. At least they are lifting men up instead of telling them to marry hos because she “found” Christ! No wonder men are rejecting that.
@ellie-tp9fb12 күн бұрын
This is incoherent from top to bottom. Andrew claims RP doesn't offer solutions. They do, while they claim they don't. This whole statement is ironic considering who Andrew decided to marry, as well. Perhaps you should rethink your position.
@MenOfVirtue12 күн бұрын
But she's a church girl now! They rubbed some Christ on her and everything.
@DiogenesDworkinson12 күн бұрын
@@MenOfVirtue What's wrong with his wife? You mean he shouldn't have married her because she had a kid before him? Andrew has stated that just because it worked for him doesn't mean it will work for anyone else and has even said that single moms are a bad bet.
@SageDivinity12 күн бұрын
Did you not pay attention? RP describes what is. It doesn’t say what you should or should not do. Don’t conflate how people respond to the truth with the truth itself. For example, in the Matrix, as Neo reaches for the RP, Morpheus tells him “All I’m offering is the truth, nothing more.” Neo took the truth and fought for mankind. The other guy Cypher took the truth and went on to kill his own crew members.
@xyz0zyx12 күн бұрын
@@SageDivinity The point is that human beings are human beings, and individuals can decide for themselves whether they marry someone with a sordid past or not. And choosing to do so, doesn't mean they are 'simping' or making a mistake. Because Andrew himself did that, believing it was the right decision for him and Rachel. No problem with that. But he takes every opportunity to criticize and belittle other men who do the exact same thing he did. It's hypocritical.
@MenOfVirtue12 күн бұрын
56:26 Dude i am 100% with him on this. The trad response has been "get married its good!" And i am always like what are you talking about?? The average dudes life contains none of the prequisites for a healthy marriage. The average dude getting married to a girl that will have him will get his life wrecked!
@EMO_alpha11 күн бұрын
💯, the generic device should not be get married. It should be get prepared for marriage. Most men today are products of weak environments and throw tantrums and fits like children. And that's just talking about the men so far
@TommyGunzzz9 күн бұрын
I don't understand how trad "Christians" always ignore 1 Corinthians 7. They seem to worship marriage more than they worship God...
@MooseTactic8 күн бұрын
There is an in between on this. The message should not just be, hey go and get married to anyone quickly. But it should also not be, no guy ever get married. If Andrew as a Christian really is with these red pill people that no man should ever get married, then Christian men would not be able to have sex (a sin if they do) and then we end up with an even more secular society. The message should be, try to find a faithful trustworthy woman to marry who you know is very against divorce. There are women like that, which still do exist. And the prescriptions Andrew talks about like moving to a more patriarchal society and changing marriage laws, yea that would all be great, but that is going to happen any time soon, and probably never will. As a man, realistically, you need to learn how to navigate in a shitty system. I get you may not be Christian and so none of this means much to you, but I am just trying to explain it anyway from a more Christian perspective, since that is what Andrew is.
@josephmoore59497 күн бұрын
@@josephmoore5949 I mean i understood lol He didn't really say anything super christiany. Marriage is a good thing. But there are lots of things that need to be adjusted for marriage to work for broader society. Dating/Hookup culture has to go. Uhmm the false standard of nuclear family has to go. We need the extended family back in the house, destigmatize multigeneration living. Uhmm men need to get married later to younger women getting married earlier. A revolution in the family courts. A revolution in the school system. We need to get back to a paternal standard for custody. Children are the fathers' and thats needs to be recognized in the broader society and legally, stigmatize birth control and abortion.
@EMO_alpha7 күн бұрын
@@josephmoore5949his prescription is 100% biblical. I don't get why you think he believes christians shouldn't get married.
@doomnotron5 күн бұрын
Mad props to you Lauren for debating this dude. His take no prisoners brand is not easy to deal with. Very entertaining!
@duraace205312 күн бұрын
That's right. This was entertainment. Like the Simpsons. That's all.
@GomersPile0112 күн бұрын
he takes no prisoners, because he has huge mountain of knowledge even so, that he tested all of it through debates and solidified weak points. one day, Lauren will be the same, if she will not take anything personally and will think critically of her knowledge. Andrew manage to caught her multiple times because she didn't think it through. she has a lot of to think about after this debate. it was good to watch.
@CP9Company11 күн бұрын
It’s not hard to deal with if you’re logical.
@Syzygy7711 күн бұрын
@@CP9Company He comes off as so full of himself and condescending.
@ankymrn10 күн бұрын
@@ankymrn you’re in your feelings lil bro
@doncojones10 күн бұрын
Hey Lauren. You're the OG. You're still Roaming Milliennial to me. And just wanted to say I think you're great and you're one of the main reasons I'm not a liberal anymore
@MrAmojo12 күн бұрын
You replaced liberalism with liberalism...
@Ghannon31312 күн бұрын
You’re not a liberal anymore but u just agree w liberals. That’s the issue. Most people say they aren’t feminists, but most people agree w feminism.
@eval795211 күн бұрын
@@eval7952 I do agree with feminism in that women should have a choice. I guess that is pretty "progressive", but you known we're not going too turn back the clock. Until the Khalifate (I live in Europe) is here, women will vote. So it shouldn't even be a talking point, cos it's never gonna happen. And yeah.... I appreciate you guys, I'm a regular whatever podcast watcher, but the way you guys talk about women sometimes, does make me uncomfortable. So yeah, maybe I am a liberal, soy boy cuck whatever you wanna call in your eyes, but I'm just kind of looking at practical solutions. It's fun to "destroy" OnlyFans girls, but it's not going anywhere any time soon, so we need practical solutions. Also, I'm not very religious and maybe that will come later on life, but probably not so. I get you guys, I get where you're coming from, but in the end, it's not gonna solve anything. We need practical solutions and that entails compromises. Yes, compromises even with the atheistic, abortion loving lefties
@MrAmojo11 күн бұрын
"Hey, baby! I hate SJWs, baby. Buy my merch, baby! Give donations, baby!"
@jasondean163411 күн бұрын
Roaming Millennial + Enhancements
@aerovespr10 күн бұрын
W Andrew. W Lauren for being good faith.
@dakotajones970912 күн бұрын
Good faith is two married people discussing another woman's view on why single men are saying no without the men themselves being allowed to talk?
@DiogenesDworkinson12 күн бұрын
@@DiogenesDworkinson Yes. That's absolutely a series of words borne of your imagination transcribed onto the internet. Thank you for sharing. But that's the limit of it's actual existence. Your imagination.
@dakotajones970912 күн бұрын
@@dakotajones9709 So name one unmarried man who isn't a player, glowy or both the right has let talk. Just one.
@DiogenesDworkinson12 күн бұрын
Andrew got it right. Young men who are rather secular, living in a secular society, don’t see an upside to the state enforcing penalties on a man when a woman decides, for any reason that she doesn’t want to be involved in the contract that she signed Anymore. The attitudes of our society are secular, and not coming from the Christian world view that both Lauren (at least the pussified feminized version), and Andrew both subscribed to. Andrew is simply voicing where most men are coming from.
@gkdaniels112 күн бұрын
@@gkdaniels1I think it's just young men being irresponsible and choosing casual sex because it's more readily available. They wouldn't get married even if the laws were changed. That's just their excuse
@AJ........12 күн бұрын
im so happy we are finally rooting out feminism on the right wing. its a real problem. women don’t even realize they’re doing it for the most part.
@areyoutheregoditsmedave11 күн бұрын
Are you married?
@nogoodusernames10011 күн бұрын
@nogoodusernames100i’m in a serious orthodox courtship with sacramental marriage being the goal for us.
@areyoutheregoditsmedave11 күн бұрын
@areyoutheregoditsmedave Good for you, most of the red pill guys are incels that hate the world.
@nogoodusernames10011 күн бұрын
2:18:29 so many say “he who without sin cast the first stone” but leave out “now get up and SIN NO MORE.”
@william-tm11 күн бұрын
Turned out to be more of a lecture than a debate but props to Lauren for being intelligent enough to admit where she was wrong
@donaldbiden949212 күн бұрын
Lectures are good if there is a deficit of relevant knowlege. I enjoy both streamers. didn't even need to come to kumite.
@Burdflu12 күн бұрын
I still haven't seen a woman prep and do well in a debate on youtube
@JohnSmith-bq6nf12 күн бұрын
Lecture where the professor was wrong about a bunch of stuff. Andrew is wrong about gender being a social construct. He also gets Christian ethics wrong, and many other things. He just had a silver tongue and most people don't understand philosophy to counter. Same reason Destiny is successful.
@bradspitt389612 күн бұрын
The reason fee mails are so ignorant is they never listen to us men. I would never show my face in public if I was as ignorant as Lauren.
@GomersPile0112 күн бұрын
@@JohnSmith-bq6nf fee mails are incapable of debate.
@GomersPile0112 күн бұрын
Lauren did a great job of lowering the temperature in the room. Seems she understands you don't always have to match the same hostile energy of your opponents.
@WickederThanThou12 күн бұрын
Andrew mopped the floor with Lauren. And he's as dumb as a rock..
@GomersPile0112 күн бұрын
Hostile requires ill intentions, being direct and impactful is not hostile.
@dakotajones970912 күн бұрын
It looked to me more like weakness and submission (but I repeat myself)
@@newerax1009 Definitionally you are correct I looked up the definition. Though being direct and impactful doesn't equate to hostility. Most people, including myself, associate hostility with ill intention. I can be very blunt or direct with my daughter, it doesn't mean I'm her enemy or being antagonistic to her, I may be attempting to help her. I dont think the word fits.
@dakotajones970912 күн бұрын
Of course Lauren isn't against hypergamy, as a woman.
@UltimateTobi12 күн бұрын
Of course. I bet her husband makes a ton of money or comes from it. God forbid she dates or marries below her level.
@morb35712 күн бұрын
Yup.
@DiogenesDworkinson12 күн бұрын
There's nothing inherently wrong with hypergamy. Women being selective has been good for the species for most of history. However the modern world has corrupted hypergamy's expression, because technology has tricked women in the illusion they no longer need men for their survival/happiness and they can now merely express their selectivity for the most superficial self indulging reasons.
@jollypolly168612 күн бұрын
@@morb357 She was actually the higher earner when they were dating. It isn't clear if he's out earning her at the moment. Its probably why he delayed having children with Lauren as he was in school and wasn't earning as much while Lauren was aware her biological clock was ticking pushing him to get things moving.
@Law1915711 күн бұрын
@@jollypolly1686 I've wanted a large family myself so the natural conclusion is that I have to earn a certain amount to be able to afford those kids and if I want a wife to stay home and look after the kids and the house I really have to earn or relocate to another city or state where you can support a family of 5 on single income without being a millionaire. Though nothing wrong with a woman working so long as she puts her family first, it comes in handy should something happen to your own job and you're stuck job hunting for a while or you get injured and can't work for a while, her job skills comes in handy then. But she has to be the type of person who will work if she has to but would rather be home to raise children if she can, in this way I don't have a problem with hypergamy. So you're right, the expression of hypergamy today is materialism with complete disregard to family and the well being of the husband, they only care about money and when the money goes they go.
@Law1915711 күн бұрын
Thanks for joining Andrew for this talk. It was pretty good.
@fredo316110 күн бұрын
respect for engaging...
@UniqueBreakfastTaco12 күн бұрын
And where is Terrance Popp? I'm tired of married people and women telling me when the red pill is to single men.
@DiogenesDworkinson12 күн бұрын
@@DiogenesDworkinson yes, your experience is so very unique.
@UniqueBreakfastTaco12 күн бұрын
It is not surprising you often find yourself agreeing with Pearl. Her secret is that she is RIGHT about what the problems are for men. Her solutions often leave alot to be desired, but she is rarely wrong about the issues.
@zacharyiler13611 күн бұрын
Pearl isn’t qualified to speak on men’s problems lol
@alfarouqaminufor389210 күн бұрын
@@alfarouqaminufor3892 Says who? If she's right, she's right. Qualifications are something made up by people. Facts are facts. It doesn't matter how many qualifications you have or don't have if you're right. That must hurt a bit, so you're trying to dodge and delegitamize...... which is no surprise.
@zacharyiler13610 күн бұрын
@alfarouqaminufor3892 And who decides who is qualified for it? You? Or is there a group out there we don't know about?
@dexterf.i.joseph250210 күн бұрын
@@alfarouqaminufor3892One has learn to separate the person from the ideas. If Pearl said "2+2=4" is the idea correct, or does it suddenly become incorrect because Pearl said it?
@cornpopwasabaddude627010 күн бұрын
@@zacharyiler136 Andrew would do the exact same thing to pearl has he did to Lauren, exposed, that’s point number one. Next point, pearl watches a few YT videos then comments on them does not qualify her, I bet she’s never read the rational male or the unplugged alpha not to mention Dr. Buss. She essentially steals ideas and content from people who actually did the real research, she’s just a content creator not an actual researcher. She shouldn’t be a representation of the red pill because if she debated someone like rollo or even Andrew she would look foolish. That’s why she’s not qualified you simp.
@alfarouqaminufor38929 күн бұрын
I wish he would debate Lila Rose on this. Her take on this is 10x worse.
@nathanroyster132412 күн бұрын
What’s her take?
@AnnSmajstrla12 күн бұрын
@@AnnSmajstrlaseconded, what's her take?
@OrthoLou11 күн бұрын
Third what is her position
@Clouu_2211 күн бұрын
What's her take mate ? Asking day 2 .
@onerule191511 күн бұрын
@AnnSmajstrla she just completely ignores the red pill argument altogether. Thinks there are plenty of eligible women to marry.
@nathanroyster132410 күн бұрын
Andrew Wilson is WAY too impressed with Pearl Davis; he gives her too much credit. He's always got to come to her rescue whenever she gets called out for saying something stupid or baffling: "Nuh uh! If you really paid attention and know her like I do you would know THIS is what she really meant!" The fact that he keeps going to bat for her...I don't get it.
@wwallace709710 күн бұрын
Because she spouts the same ideology
@Wolf-bz6kq9 күн бұрын
He’s not “way to impressed” with Pearl. He even said in this video that she isn’t even a good debater. You’re looking to much into something that isn’t there.
@wintensity8 күн бұрын
not really, he commends her for not letting women off of the hook. something Lauren Chen does way too much
@lks116 күн бұрын
Where in the Bible does it say if a non-believer gets married it's a sin? I'm honestly confused by this comparison
@moviebuff92789 күн бұрын
He made it up. Like the rest of the ideas that came from his face in this terrible conversation.
@agathafry42339 күн бұрын
@@agathafry4233 okay. I didn’t know if it was some teaching in the Orthodox church
@moviebuff92788 күн бұрын
@@moviebuff9278 Anyone teaching this has missed the point of Jesus’ teachings. A charlatan. A grifter. This guy Andrew.
@agathafry42338 күн бұрын
I have personally never read that getting married is a sin. This is my first time hearing it as well.
@roxyroadster63138 күн бұрын
I think he was trying to say that any marriage recognized by the state isn't a real marriage. That marriage is to be under the churches authority to grant. Therefore, the secularists that get married aren't actually married but live together in sin. What I mean by church authority to grant is simply this. There is a process before the marriage that ought to happen to legitimately verify that the couple in question to help them understand each other motives, desires, and ambitious. We live in a secular society that typically doesn't adhere to this kind of process. We often get married in a church that we never attend by a pastor that says a few speeches beforehand, and some don't even do that.
@brentfurbee68637 күн бұрын
Lauren Chen (married woman) and Andrew Wilson (married man) on the views of Pearl Davis (unmarried woman) on the Red Pill because men are not marrying. Our voice is still unheard, unallowed. Why? Really think about it...
@DiogenesDworkinson12 күн бұрын
Yep. None of them will even speak to Peter Nolan. Lol.
@GomersPile0112 күн бұрын
So you want to marry but don't marry in protest?
@Law1915712 күн бұрын
Aren't most if not all of the red pill guys unmarried men?
@radhiadeedou828612 күн бұрын
Dude if anyone needs a hint look at pearls associates and audience. She's a muddy shark. A coal burning oven. A spade tail. Cmon.
@stinkfinga491812 күн бұрын
Secular men don’t deserve the sacrament of marriage anyway until they accept Christ as Lord. Simple.
@KevinJXT3812 күн бұрын
Lauren major W, I agree with Andrew but I think you two are more align then most might realized, much respect for taking the fire and debate with him. Hope y’all join forces! 🔥
@jeffereypeck612 күн бұрын
I totally agree with this. People's problem with Andrew is, I hate to say it, the typical feminine argument of 'it's not what you said it's how you said it'. Spoken word is the sword described by Jesus in the bible, and in that regard, Andrew is necessarily lethal. But I don't think he's wrong, and it's remarkably refreshing to see someone stripping away all the garbage and challenging ideas at their core with a simple, consistent rational guided by ethos. Whether you agree with Andrew or not, you have to admit the man is absolutely consistent and principled.
@evbbjones712 күн бұрын
Dude. Don't be a beta brad. Its shameful
@GomersPile0112 күн бұрын
I don't think we watched the same debate
@pivot19712 күн бұрын
Which debate were you watching? Lauren got schooled. I'm more aligned with her but the debate isn't about who you agree with before the debate, it's about who was more persuasive.
@momomomocensoredbyyoutube908512 күн бұрын
@@momomomocensoredbyyoutube9085 just to clarify when I said Major W I was meaning more in the context of this was a great debate. Andrew 100% won this debate but I like Lauren and I definitely think she’s open minded enough to hear what he was saying and actually reflect on it. He’s right we need people on his side and Lauren would be a great ally for that
@jeffereypeck612 күн бұрын
To the super chatter who asked the question about “Mormonism”. Mormonism is NOT Christianity. At all.
@TommyGunz32711 күн бұрын
Mormonism is to christianity the way islam is christianity. Or christianity is judaism.
@rutgerhauser23779 күн бұрын
So they worship Jesus Christ and read the Bible but they’re still not Christian? Sounds like main character syndrome.
@immersion98809 күн бұрын
Their name is literally The Church of Jesus Christ of Later Day Saints
@Akuma609 күн бұрын
@@immersion9880 The muslims worship jesus too. What's you're point. They added a new messiah, that's the point.
@rutgerhauser23779 күн бұрын
@@Akuma60 And? That means NOTHING. The banking system is called the “federal reserve” and there is NOTHING Federal about it. It’s a private banking system. The “patriot act” is called the patriot act and there is NOTHING Patriotic about it, quite the opposite. Again Mormonism is NOT Christianity. They follow the teachings of Jospeh Smith who was a heretic, a liar and a complete fraud.
@TommyGunz3279 күн бұрын
Sex meaning far less for men than for women is a function and a remaining remnant of hyper masculine patriarchy. To be clear, I am not against the idea that in many cases, men are naturally suited for leadership, and as a generalized idea, women are not as suited for leadership. That doesn’t mean all men are good leaders or that no women possess leadership qualities. However, hyper masculine society created the idea that “boys will be boys” and women must be kept under rules and parameters that keep them from operating in the same way. This idea that sex is nothing to men, is promoting the idea of being a less than optimal man, and empty man. Much of modern feminism is just another deceptive notion luring women into being sub-optimal empty women, all in the name of “it’s fine for men to be that way.” 2 wrongs don’t equal being right, both ideas are destructive and damaging.
@awakentotruthmichaelsmith46982 күн бұрын
The thing is he's not wrong. Pearl is a horrible messenger for the truth he's describing though. It's inconceivable to us because for as long as we've lived and our parents have lived, we've taken western culture at face value. I think it's been on an evil path for a long time.
@jennyd91449 күн бұрын
This is already an AWESOME discussion! And Andrew is right, I've been saying for years that Feminism's only purpose is to dismantle the Patriarchy. Which boils down to dismantling heterosexuality because that's what the Patriarchy is based on, male and female relationships, creating families, building society together. Feminism wants a separation of men and women. Just read books from Feminists like Andrea Dworkins on the idea that hetero sex is sexual an assault on women, which is ridiculous, but a growing demographic of people are believing this stuff.
@AetheriusComics12 күн бұрын
Yeah, the LGBT are known to hate straight people
@Law1915712 күн бұрын
You can be straight and build a family without patriarchy
@apap495011 күн бұрын
@@apap4950 No you can't. Most inmates in prison come from fatherless homes and research has shown that children develop mental and emotional problems when the father is absent as well as developing other problems. Studies show that children in fact thrive when the father is present even when the father is single. Single mom households bring communities to ruin with increased crime rates and degeneracy. These aren't opinions these are facts backed by research.
@Law1915711 күн бұрын
@@apap4950 That's a good point. You certainly can, but those families don't tend to last.
@AetheriusComics11 күн бұрын
What is patriarchy and what is matriarchy?
@marlonmoncrieffe072811 күн бұрын
The chain smoking can’t possibly be good for him or his family.
@jen071811 күн бұрын
"I've always found smoking to be the most pleasurable form of slow suicide." - Kurt Vonnegut -
@zacharymcmillan278810 күн бұрын
He’s the token representation of the “heil patriarchy” squad.
@ankymrn10 күн бұрын
Lol😂
@bethlemmon8 күн бұрын
So Andrew promotes the trend of secular men not having children and Christian men having more children because he is a Christian patriarch who wants to advocate for a society in the future that is composed of more people who are Christian and patriarchal. Lauren states that she is also pro-patriarchal and Christian but wants a big umbrella approach to advocating this. Andrew is against the big umbrella approach because from his perspective this approach allows those who are not of actual good faith to enter into the movement and the liability is greater than the benefits. Lauren seems to believe that the promotion of marriage as a good thing to secular people is a natural gateway towards people accepting Christianity more. Andrew... disagrees? He believes that this will lead to more secularism because secular people are more likely to produce secular children thus, it does not benefit the spread of Christianity or patriarchy.
@aliceyingshan272512 күн бұрын
Andrew is right. Allowing secularism, aka feminism, to coexist alongside Christianity is what had led to the degeneracy we have today. Wickedness cannot be tolerated. It is like yeast, as the Bible says. It leavens the whole loaf.
@jessicabeam115211 күн бұрын
All evidence proves Andrew right.
@geraldg35011 күн бұрын
I think you got it all right. I think drastically changing the laws would definitely be a good thing but what is needed for a real change to a better society is moving to total patriarchy or at least as far there as possible because then the community standards would stop the women's degeneracy (I hope that's a word, English is not my first language but you'll get it). Andrew was right saying this is a women problem caused by their hypergamy.
@Juide8011 күн бұрын
@@geraldg350no it doesn’t bro is a straight nerd 🤣
@bambbambboyguy12310 күн бұрын
Patriarchal system was made by god, was in bible from the beginning and system works perfectly, all other feminists bull sh*t and other type of system are trash and history proved it many times, especially this days.
@ultimedsayian952210 күн бұрын
This conversation needed to be had. It pains me to realize how many Christians don’t even know what a marriage is. Read “Love & Responsibly” by Pope John Paul II. Or Theology of The Body. You’ll never see life , relationships, or Christianity the same again. It’s so rewarding.
@acaydia298212 күн бұрын
Marriage existed way before organised religion was a thing, in 2350BC in fact. Religious nutjobs gatekeeping marriage is not what this world needs.
@DEmeant0r12 күн бұрын
Is marrying a divorcee in accordance with the catholic faith? I'm asking because Wilson is. Should we throw the rocks at him?
@Stephen6413812 күн бұрын
@@Stephen64138 His wife also had 3 children with two other guys, one out of wedlock. I thought that was a huge no-no with religious nutjobs like Andrew.
@DEmeant0r12 күн бұрын
@@Stephen64138Her first marriage was invalid, anyway since she wasn't Orthodox. This is all you guys have on them and it's pathetic lol.
@OrthoLou12 күн бұрын
Maybe just read the bible. That would be a good starting point for most Christians.
@DiogenesDworkinson12 күн бұрын
Respect for Lauren to debate with Andrew. Andrew is a beast and very savage, exactly what Christianity needed right now. You have to be a savage to get rid of these evils the left has done to our society. We need to see Andrew vs Charlie Kirk
@majinbuu51812 күн бұрын
You need antisemitism.
@deathpig.984712 күн бұрын
But friend that goes against the Bible. The only savage words Jesus had were against the RELIGIOUS who treated the prostitutes and tax collectors savagely. You hate the sin, but you actually have to LOVE the sinner. Edit; just to add a source. 1 Peter 3 “Do not repay evil with evil or insult with insult. On the contrary, repay evil with blessing, because to this you were called so that you may inherit a blessing.”
@fencserx942312 күн бұрын
@@fencserx9423 I don't understand you Christians. You're fine with killing nazis and Islamists, but you can't bear to be verbally savage to those who seek to corrupt your children with sin and condemn their immortal soul to eternal damnation. wtf
@jollypolly168612 күн бұрын
@@fencserx9423 this is why christianity is useless to address the decline of western civilization. it's incapable of defending against degeneracy, and there are absolutely no consequences for not following its edicts. you don't save society by rolling over and letting the barbarians have their way with it, all the while being smug about it because to even care about the world is to be "of the world"
@windumaster1412 күн бұрын
@@fencserx9423 I guess we gloss over when Jesus fashioned a cord and drove them out of the temple But he did it in a NICE way
@bradbee987412 күн бұрын
Andrew Wilson put on a master class and I hope Lauren took notes. The men who support this woman well….. lmao! Good day people.
@laundromat52373 күн бұрын
I think Paul would disagree with him on the marriage thing. 1 Corinthians 7 "12 To the rest I say this (I, not the Lord): If any brother has a wife who is not a believer and she is willing to live with him, he must not divorce her. 13 And if a woman has a husband who is not a believer and he is willing to live with her, she must not divorce him.14 For the unbelieving husband has been sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife has been sanctified through her believing husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy." Andrews position would be, "If one of them isn’t a believer, then they didn’t really have a marriage and therefore are in sin." Paul seems to find their marriage valid even tho one party clearly did not make a sacramental covenant with God. In fact, probably neither party made a Sacramento covenant with God because he’s writing to new believers who were most likely already married.
@ericdanielhaley12 күн бұрын
What does a sanctified unbelieving husband/wife mean and what makes them qualify as such ? What proportion of total non-sacramental marriages might that realistically represent ? What is the purpose of sacramental marriage if non sacramental marriages can be valid in the eyes of god ?
@jollypolly168612 күн бұрын
If one of them is a believer, it's not really a secular marriage now is it?
@Turtalzz12 күн бұрын
@@Turtalzzand if anyone can be a believer at even given point in their life, then what is wrong with encouraging them to follow your practices?
@DarkSpider199612 күн бұрын
@@DarkSpider1996 What we should be doing is advocating for covenant marriage (only in 3 states right now) and telling our secular people that it is the only true form of marriage.
@Turtalzz12 күн бұрын
2 Corinthians 6:14-18 King James Version 14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? 15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? 16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you. 18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty. The bible is clear. Christians are COMMANDED to be married to OTHER christians, not unbelievers(muslims, buddhists, atheists, agnostics, spiritualists, jews, EVEN the lukewarm christian". However if they defy the commandments, they CANNOT divorce unless its due to adultery.
@dathip12 күн бұрын
Very very much respect for doing this Lauren! This is very much needed in today's world. We all understand Andrew can be a bit too much on the nose, but this is often needed, and people sensitive to it just need to grow a spine and start learning to listen to what he's saying. Once people do that all things makes sense. He's right! We need you more than you ever can imagine! So don't play nice to the Destiny's out there. We will do this in name of the lord. I very much looking forward to your conversation with Pearl. I want you to push back as hard as you can, just as she will. Keeping going and you're doing great work!
@stephenwouw862411 күн бұрын
Thanks for doing this debate Lauren and Andrew.
@kurtweinberger420212 күн бұрын
ngl Andrew opened my eyes.
@patrick103812 күн бұрын
then you are midwit
@JohnSmith-bq6nf12 күн бұрын
You agree with someone I don't like, therefore you're a midwit... Andrew has some very interesting takes that most people have never thought about before. For example his argument about rights and force. I haven't seen any good rebuttal to that from anyone he has ever debated. Everyone gets stumped by it. Edit: The "midwit" comment I addressed is no longer here as the author probably deleted it. Just in case someone is wondering what was I replying to.
@Divide_et_lmpera12 күн бұрын
Yes and no. It was a debate about Christianity as a solution.. But there are *other factors* that would better society, immediately. - Transmission and pride in one's history. Young guys need to be proud of their heritage, and be part of something greater, to be dynamic. - Father-to-son talks. Jordan Peterson is right on this. You don't need to believe in God, to share quality moment and a healthy framework between generations. - end of over-medication and poor US food. Ask athletes, they'll tell you good food equals good energy and recovery.
@goofygrandlouis629612 күн бұрын
@@Divide_et_lmpera it's because it's true. There is no rebuttal. Unfortunately most of his takes get muddied by his desire to win arguments and not hearts and minds. His overly combative style make him less palatable then he could be.
@Va11idus12 күн бұрын
It depends on the opponent. I imagine he'd be a little less combative in a second contest now that he's seen she can be good faith. @@Va11idus
@chrisgoz767312 күн бұрын
Andrew was spot on about the fact that feminism has heavily influenced the world views of a lot of christian / conservative women without them realising.
@terah1017 күн бұрын
Yes, most women, even conservatives are feminists even if they say different almost all women agree w most feminism. (That men oppress women) I would even say conservatives are the OG feminists.
@eval795211 күн бұрын
Well, shit. This is ANOTHER guy I have to subscribe to.....
@sjsuismylife12 күн бұрын
He's the best guest on whatever and f&f
@nhardman11 күн бұрын
Are you single?
@AWDTH111111 күн бұрын
@@AWDTH1111"Are YOU single man?!?" - Tommy Chong - 'That 70s Show' 😂
@zacharymcmillan278810 күн бұрын
@@zacharymcmillan2788 Happily married
@AWDTH111110 күн бұрын
@@AWDTH1111I'm married, i wonder how much you like using feminist tactics
@lks116 күн бұрын
I just watched your debate with Andrew and thought I would subscribe to you. Great debate ❤😊
@crazyaboutmakeup12 күн бұрын
Speaking as a man who has been with one woman, my wife. Sex is more than a mere handshake. It means a lot to both her and myself. There are times when it means more to me than it does to her.
@sethapex967012 күн бұрын
For most men, it almost always means more...
@DiogenesDworkinson12 күн бұрын
You guys are being pedantic, its not about sex literally being like a handshake, its simply that sex is not as big a deal to men.
@jasonthomas931911 күн бұрын
@@jasonthomas9319 except this isn't a pedantic detail about Pearl, it's a crucial one about women. When we were in charge, we waited for marriage and married our high school sweethearts. Now they are, and they are getting with even a dozen or more per week. That's a huge change that doesn't just happen but rather is the innate expression of the differences in our true desires.
@DiogenesDworkinson11 күн бұрын
@DiogenesDworkinson The point of pedantry is that you are sticking to the literal definition and text of what she said instead of trying to understand the context and purpose.
@jasonthomas931911 күн бұрын
@@jasonthomas9319 has anyone in this thread BUT YOU mentioned Pearl before you drug it into the conversation? No? So who's ACTUALLY ignoring the point to be pedantic? You want to talk? Quit strawmanning, argue in good faith and respond to the ACTUAL TOPIC.
@DiogenesDworkinson11 күн бұрын
I can’t get a read on this guy. Am I supposed to believe he’s a staunch Christian? His reasoning seems to be “hedonism is tolerated because these particular hedonists support the patriarchy…. But we’re not consequentialists, we’re Christians so we shouldn’t think in terms of best possible outcome… unless that best possible outcome is patriarchy”
@DarkSpider199612 күн бұрын
His scorn for progressives who can see the wisdom in less voting suffrage... But then his giddiness to recruit redpillers for his patriarchy crucade. Such a hypocrite.
@josephalbatross596112 күн бұрын
Most of those tolerated hedonists can be converted when offered a better choice, the other ones like destiny for example can't they love their degenerate behaviors, where as the others see it as the only current option.
@scottcontreras456912 күн бұрын
@@scottcontreras4569 They have the choice to not participate in hook up culture or casual smashing but they choose not too as they consider abstinence a religious value. Virgin couples have the lowest divorce rates so the natural solution to the high divorce rate is to not instigate the smash and pass or the casual smash or the smash before marriage. They would rather submit to the matriarchy and sleep around as the matriarchy does not consider virgin men to be masculine or real men so they're essentially apart of empowering modern feminists because abstinence is just too religious. These dudes just can't give up the booty call.
@Law1915712 күн бұрын
Friend enemy distinction is tough for you
@Jaco05911 күн бұрын
@@Jaco059 Andrew is neither friend nor foe. He seems to believe that the red pill hedonist will relinquish power to the Christian if the patriarchy returns when the hedonists don’t believe in tenets of Christianity, they only believe in subjugating women. There is no difference in using either hedonist to further your gains in power especially when as a Christian you say that Christ isn’t the solution for hedonism.
@DarkSpider199611 күн бұрын
I'm subbing in the confidence that you'll come around, Lauren. You're intellectually honest, which is a great start; It means that you at least have good and right reason, the logos of Christ, so I believe that through that reason you will come to see the truth, as you have openly already began to. "Where two or more are gathered, there I Am." You and Andrew came together in the pursuit of truth (Christ) through reason (also Christ). Oh, look, there He is. Truth saves and wins.
@mybrainhurts372710 күн бұрын
I enjoyed the discussion Lauren, I've always enjoyed your willingness to have these types of conversations. Much respect, and keep learning and being open to the truth of things. It serves you (and all of us for that matter) to start facing reality.
@Jigsaw009711 күн бұрын
you can really feel the love and joy of the lord emanating from this guy
@koreangirlgroup.12 күн бұрын
That's the problem every one thinks it's love and joy. No it's life and Death.
@jeremy847812 күн бұрын
@@jeremy8478Hippi love of Jesus.
@mr.g427212 күн бұрын
lol
@Law1915712 күн бұрын
@@jeremy8478 you make no sense champ
@koreangirlgroup.11 күн бұрын
@@koreangirlgroup.joy and love from Christians is a modern idea it’s always been a normal religion not some hippy dippy bs that’s why it’s been abandoned
@Jaco05911 күн бұрын
2:01:19 What Pearl does there is called a generalization and if you are honest in wanting a patriarchy, you ought to agree with that sentiment. If you don't accept that men are morally superior, then there is no basis for you wanting a patriarchy. That is why Andrew said you maintain feminist principles and reject Christian doctrine as a result. Christianity says men are closer to Christ (virtue), ergo women aren't allowed to lead the religion.
@DarknessProphet10 күн бұрын
You know this comment section is loaded with simps when you're based comment only has 5 likes
@thelastheteroincali9 күн бұрын
Lauren, Andrew is right you do need to push back and fight against these people not be Kumbaya. They’re not your friends that’s my number one issue that I have with you. I also saw it on Jubilee as well when you were on their show.
@pgs454411 күн бұрын
She's an embarrassment to conservatives. Pearl at least has fight in her. Chen is nice to the face of her enemy and a reaction video backstabber to her own side.
@nhardman11 күн бұрын
@@nhardmanFight? If you stuck your knob in Pearl’s face and said “Suck” she’d say “yes please”. Maybe that’s why you support her because she is the only one who would.
@AWDTH111110 күн бұрын
Andrew said it once before, “CHRISTIANITY is NOT a religion of “niceness”.
@Cocaine-appraiserКүн бұрын
If secular marriage isn't deemed real in Gods eyes, then why does He call us to stay with an unbeliever if you were married before you were saved? Theres other examples of it, too but im confused by that.
@graceniehaus12 күн бұрын
Yeah that was ridiculous. So encouraging non Christians to get married is encouraging them to sin? As if they’re not fornicating already?
@joelcampos879512 күн бұрын
The Orthodox church also doesnt require remarriage almost ever (some Rocor do), people choose to get remarried in the Orthodox way all the time (me included), but to say God doesnt accept is not really the case. Lots dont even get rebaptized.
@TommyGunzzz12 күн бұрын
It says that because we are to try and win our spouse to the lord, and also the benefit of the children. This was because Paul was dealing with believers who were once nonbelievers, but they came to a loving relationship in Christ. So for this reason nonbelievers who in their previous life, and yet to be born again who married a non believer, were to not break their vow, not covenant which is an important Christian distinction. However, if you are a believer before you are married you are told to be equally yoked. Meaning marry a fellow believer therefore, Andrew is right. We should not advocate, or even compromise on secular marriage.
@Penguins9526877112 күн бұрын
@Penguins95268771 right but that implies God does indeed see it as a real marriage.... that can be true without insisting that it is God's will or what's best for people (marrying secularally). However we can't control if people believe in God or not tho (or have even heard of Him before marriage) so if they don't believe in God & are married, they would still be seen as married supported by scripture. It would just mean they are found guilty of being unbelievers which means theyre on their way to hell & is a much bigger predicament than which worse sin they are engaged in. & again, I'm not sure that it even is a sin to get married before you're a believer, that doesn't seem scriptural backed to me.
@graceniehaus12 күн бұрын
You missed the point, the marriage has to be a sacramental marriage. Not that one may not believe. One could lose that belief. Its the process through the church. Marriage is not a government contract its a sacrament of the church! you freaking protards!
@mrwhite203912 күн бұрын
Despite the rough delivery of his message, Andrew is making some valid points. There's something primal that happens listening to a man raise his voice to a lady. You held up, Lauren. I don't mean to paint you as a damsel. Still the verbal pressure was hard to listen to. Took many sessions.
@NotKelloggsCornflakes11 күн бұрын
My problem with Pearl is she doesn't live what she preaches. She's a single career driven boss bae who's about to hit the wall. Lauren at least is married has a child and wasn't delusional about her biological clock.
@Law1915712 күн бұрын
True, but just like Pearl, we are products of our times... Still intellectually admitting we fucked up is what's essential for recovery.
@Derbauer12 күн бұрын
@@Derbauer Yes, but many in the RP space believe you can't recover so do as the feminist do and sleep around when the solution to RP point of contention of divorce in the stats itself.
@Law1915711 күн бұрын
@@Law19157because people no longer care about their societies if they are feminist crap holes that you have no loyalty to. If you recommend never get married and your society is a crumbling gynocentric nothing of a society why would you care about racking up a body count they would’ve with a separate chad anyways. Remember they aren’t Christians most of the time because they weren’t raised that way/ the very gynocentric church was left behind by most young men righteously. So again why should they play the game your way for a society that doesn’t like them when they can take a much easier way out it’s just human nature.
@Jaco05911 күн бұрын
@@Law19157they aren’t trying to find a solution they literally don’t care about your society they basically look at you as like the Roman senators in 50 BC screaming to the masses about one change in the law when a revolution is happening thinking it will change something the path is laid in stone.
@Jaco05911 күн бұрын
Probably the only thing I've seen you say here that I agree with. But I have a personal hunch that Pearl is a closeted lez.
@OrthoLou11 күн бұрын
It’s good you are challenging yourself Lauren. I really enjoyed this conversation- keep up the good work
@Dabz324k8 күн бұрын
Came over here from The Crucible... Great show! Subbed
@JasonAdank12 күн бұрын
Great, just what Lauren's channel needs more of... Fundamentalist Christians...
@DEmeant0r12 күн бұрын
@@DEmeant0rbuy a helmet 🪖... Life's tough
@bjtucker512 күн бұрын
Yes, and we need less Godless secularists who got us into this mess
@Daniel_Abraham109911 күн бұрын
Yeah, I'm a former Chen sub who is just visiting for the AW comments. I unfollowed Lauren when she repeatedly slandered Crowder and sided with his wife. I don't even like Crowder, but Lauren's feminist logic was too much for me to support.
@nhardman11 күн бұрын
Why???????????
@dontron551811 күн бұрын
Andrew is just constantly lying. Pearl and Myron absolutely say it is fine for men to be promiscuous. Myron in fact says men must have 50 bodies before they get married. Pearl said she would be ok with a high value husband sleeping with other people.
@michaelh8784 күн бұрын
Considering I did not know who this man was until about 2 weeks ago, everyone I have seen him talk to, who I considered respectable and well-educated... Have been completely shown up, and clowned... By themselves and him. Repeal the 19th.
@austintrees5 күн бұрын
When people are cornered, their true nature comes out. Andrew knows this all too well. That's why he pushes them and doesn't give them time to come up with excuses. That way, their true nature comes out without pretense.
@swagyolo86025 күн бұрын
Speaking of true nature, have you two silly billies seen The Lion King? This Andrew guy is Scar, and yal are his little crew of hyenas. Not a Mufasa amongst you. Inner character and hearts truly incompatible with real kingliness :
@agathafry42335 күн бұрын
@@agathafry4233 Your soft view on kingship worthy of a three-year-old makes me sick. Reality is not a Disney movie. Grow up kid.
@swagyolo86024 күн бұрын
@@swagyolo8602 The character of the Lion King is inspired by the biblical stories of Joseph and Moses. Some people find truth in very old stories, and some find truth in newer stories. They’re all teaching the same thing though… who you are and who you can be. Jesus was soft but not weak. And the opposite of a tyrant. Andrew is the exact inverse shadow king version of Jesus. Like Scar, he wants power to enrich himself and enslave others, because he fears them and can’t get what he wants from them unless he’s dominating. A true king works toward freedom for all and desires no power over others. You worship men who are tyrannical on the outside to hide the fact that they’re weak on the inside. What do you think this reflects about you?
@agathafry42333 күн бұрын
@@agathafry4233 Kingship isn't one-dimensional. And governing a nation, which consists of millions of people, in such a manner is untenable. In times of war, the necessity for strategic cunning, even at the cost of sacrificing allies, and the willingness to confront potential threats with ruthless efficiency are indispensable traits for effective governance. Such qualities, which can even be viewed as evil, are essential for a ruler. If you've delved into history rather than religion, you'd comprehend my meaning. Not that I expect you to, but there it is.
@swagyolo86023 күн бұрын
This was a tough watch for many reasons, but a great listen. It demanded a lot of concentration, focus and thought but fantastic. Andrew made a lot of great points, definitely going to have to follow this guy and listen. I found it funny though: Andrew: "Let me finish my point." Then constantly interrupts Lauren. 39:37 Interesting stance to take from Andrew when he was arguing semantics mattered earlier.
@Joshua.zero296 күн бұрын
Lauren much respect to u to debate andrew on these vital topics. Although u lost the debate u were very respectful and seemed open to the information he gave u. It tells me ur a good person whos willing to get better rather then being stubborn and stuck in your ways....im actually a fan now. I will subscribe.
@thisiswhatiliketocallzer0b51211 күн бұрын
She only lost the debate bc she didn't tell Andrew his orthodox values have no jurisdiction in her world. F his assumptions and speculations on what is SIN. F his assumed authority. F his hypocrisy. Dude, don't be weak.
@lj78164 күн бұрын
@@lj7816Yeah, I am Orthodox and this guy is disgusting. His debate style is very crude and his points are ideological (which is fine) but at the expense of the rest of reality.
@thevictorianconservative10937 сағат бұрын
Great job Lauren love to see people admit when they were wrong
@chrismassie349311 күн бұрын
Great talk, love your attitude of learning Lauren.
@tRav28512 күн бұрын
I am RED PILL TO THE CORE , as a 40 year old men i have seen and experienced the dating/relationship world , the red pill is massively misunderstood , like Andrew explained, its not a life style , its information given from men with experience like me, one exemple of that experience is saving the life of one of my friends who had self deleting thoughts after a mariage , he admitted that if not for me working is mind back , he would be gone, The red pill saves lifes , it realy does.These trad feminists realy just dont get it.
@joeyoliveira781511 күн бұрын
Critics of RP are just rejecting observable truths and are conflating “is” claims with “ought” claims. Someone can be RP aware and also be wholeheartedly Christian. They are not contradictory in any way and many can’t recognize that fact.
@dizzzzzzler11 күн бұрын
Are you single?
@AWDTH111111 күн бұрын
Andrew is almost right. Should tone it down from 100 to 80. It would be more effective. Not to change the delivery but to modify it a little. He was at time too aggressive when Lauren was agreeing with him or accepting her mistakes. To the end it was better. No one is perfect but he was too amped up like he was entering a hostile host.
@pp-bb6jj12 күн бұрын
You would be right while toning it up from 20 to 80 in your comment... Andrew Wilson was plainfully rude at times for absolutely no reason. Lauren Chen was polite and of good faith. There was absolutely no reason for him to act that way. He is rude and condescending more often than not.
@Stephen6413812 күн бұрын
Andrew is in a very calm tone this episode. You should watch his debates with other people on his channel. You just want Andrew to be nicer.😂
@Emmanuel_EEE12 күн бұрын
That's andrew on a 20 lol
@OrthodoxyChronicles12 күн бұрын
But the tone though. Tone policing 101.
@mitchlymer12 күн бұрын
Yep, pretty good summary.
@goofygrandlouis629612 күн бұрын
Ephesians 4:29 29 Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen.
@spiderknight989312 күн бұрын
This seemed to benefit her greatly and she has a lot to reflect on. Tough love is a thing. Stop piety signaling.
@OrthoLou11 күн бұрын
@@OrthoLou you lot literally have a catchphrase to dismiss everything. The problem with this is that you can be dismissed out of turn, just as easily.
@spiderknight989311 күн бұрын
@@spiderknight9893 tell us how you know this verse means what you say it means 😂
@xAzureXHazex11 күн бұрын
@@xAzureXHazex how does it need any interpretation? It’s pretty self explanatory.
@spiderknight989311 күн бұрын
@@xAzureXHazex you wrote something here that’s completely nonsensical and thought you scored some sort of point…… I’m actually confused as what you thought you were achieving.
@spiderknight989311 күн бұрын
Great to have constructive, challenging conversations. A respectable venture
@aquavitae382410 күн бұрын
Much appreciation for the debate. Andrew is not easy on anyone and it's very important to listen to what's been said, not how it is said. Props to you for that. More women need to master this art.
@alanunaiomen348611 күн бұрын
Simps are only agreeing with Lauren because they think she’s hot😂
@BrooklynBum10 күн бұрын
And she's not even hot. She's got lip fillers and a pound of make up.
@Andre-tc9sb9 күн бұрын
Lauren There is a difference between human and god God can forgive but that doesn’t mean that men should !!!! Saved after doesn’t mean saved in this life
@falzubair12 күн бұрын
I'm beginning to realise most of my problems with Christianity are actually problems with people who claim to be Christians.
@Patrick-85711 күн бұрын
@@Patrick-857I've been feeling the same lately.
@SomeDigitalGhost2 күн бұрын
Lauren, please don't stop being yourself. I didn't have time to listen to this whole video, but i jumped around a bit and noticed some things: Andrew quotes Ephesians 5:24 when he talks about wives relating to their husbands, but Andrew neglected to quote the very next verse that says "Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her" and the following verses are good too. I really think that what Paul is writing about is more Egalitarian than Patriarchal, but I have never been married. I think you, Lauren, being married yourself, know the kind of oneness that Paul is writing about, and that it may sometimes be that the man or the woman "gets their way" (what two people can always fully agree on anything?), but in the end, one vote really would work for those kinds of housholds because the oneness is so real. I think your words and tone and willingness to hear other opinions, all of that makes your viewpoint more appealing than andrew's who is acts like he is only here to define and defend and there is no way he could ever learn anything from anyone. he seems prideful, and I fear he doesn't have anything bad to say about men, or if he does, then he is only speaking the half of his views that will push back the hardest against your views. I would like to see andrew interview and push back against A.T., Sneako, F&F, those kinds of people. near the end of the video, Andrew even scoffs at the idea of being nice. now, I do understand that "niceness" and "kindness" are different, but Andrew didn't say anything about Kindness, or really any fruit of the Spirit. That makes me sad. Lauren, I do think you bear the fruits of the spirit, and against such acts there is no law. Please do not lose heart. You are a critical thinker and thorough analyzer. I wish more people were like you. God bless you and yours
@sa-rq2xj5 күн бұрын
Wives, obey your husbands. Husbands love your wife as Christ loves the church. If you asked Andrew, He would say he is willing to and is sacrificing to provide for his family and he is willing to kill for and die protecting his family.
@kevinezema61594 күн бұрын
@kevinezema6159 I'm sure there are a few good things that Andrew does, and maybe his biggest crime, besides the infidelity, is that he didn't convince me personally that he has a good character; and who am I anyway? I'm nobody. but when a commenter gently commented that his delivery could be worked on, he denied that he needs to work on his delivery or give up any addiction. True sacrifice would be quitting smoking so as to prolong his life so that he can provide for his family longer. I hope and trust that he doesn't talk in that annoyed tone to his kids or wives. He certainly is firm and not shaken in his beliefs, but that is no virture if his beliefs are only based on out of context bible verses.
@sa-rq2xj4 күн бұрын
@@sa-rq2xj We are both right on this.
@kevinezema61593 күн бұрын
@@kevinezema6159 We are both right? I'm afraid not. Smoking actively shortens the smoker's life. That person is not sacrificing their life wholly to their family, but partially to the cigarette. We do see Andrew smoking. Therefore, we know that Andrew is not wholly sacrificing his life to his family. Now, you say: "If you asked Andrew, He would say he is willing to and is sacrificing to provide for his family and he is willing to ... die protecting his family." If what you say is the truth, then Andrew is a liar. It would be better for Andrew to admit his selfishness, and either live with it in clear conscience, or sacrifice smoking. The mere fact that Andrew dare not justify his smoking is because it is unjustifiable. 2:15:25
@sa-rq2xj2 күн бұрын
Andrew for the win. I like Lauren but she doesn't understand her own ideology let alone somebody else's. I know most of her followers will disagree because Andrew's tone or feelings...
@larsegenes603111 күн бұрын
This woman has a lot more patience than most
@BM_1008 күн бұрын
I guess Jesus was a consequentialist because he said he was the only way to heaven and the consequence of not believing in him and repenting of sins would be ending up in the lake of fire for eternity. Nobody can understand the need, necessity of Jesus Christ & his work on the cross unless they understand there's heaven and a hell and the consequences of sin which leads to hell. The 10 Commandments is supposed to reveal the sin in people so as a consequence they realize their need for a savior.
@Law1915711 күн бұрын
Acknowledging that consequences exist doesn't make you a consequentialist; that's idiotic.
@mybrainhurts372710 күн бұрын
@@mybrainhurts3727 You can tell that to Andrew who argued it that way.
@Law1915710 күн бұрын
@@Law19157 Enjoy being an ignoramus who can't spend thirty minutes researching what consequentialism is.😂
@mybrainhurts372710 күн бұрын
@@mybrainhurts3727 When you want to argue it like ignoramus, its your iq in question.
@Law1915710 күн бұрын
@@Law19157 Empty words.
@mybrainhurts372710 күн бұрын
Watched because of Andrew. Great talk
@uhnborhn503210 күн бұрын
Good debate. It's always good to be tested, which I think Lauren was more than Andrew was in this case. Andrew made me think more on a few things too.
@kitoharveywill576612 күн бұрын
You don't have much of a brain if Walmart Andrew Tate is making you think.
@AWDTH111111 күн бұрын
@@AWDTH1111 Get a load of this rick and morty viewer.
@kitoharveywill576611 күн бұрын
This is long and sorry if its disrespectful to Lauren that is not at all my aim, but here's this "novel" for anyone who might read it lol, I just had to get it off my chest. Andrew Wilson upsets me on a level that makes it difficult for me to engage with. because he keeps wanting to use God to support his claims but he seems very biblically illiterate or purposefully neglectful and is spouting destructive mind frames. Jesus told us about how there would be false Christians but we are not to determine who is and isn't, We are to call out false teachers, and judge them by their fruit, what fruit is God talking about, I'll list below. with some other relevant versus. Mathew 21:31 ” Jesus said to them, “Truly I say to you that the tax collectors and prostitutes will get into the kingdom of God before you. a parable about those in the kingdom and those who pretend to be or are tricked thinking they are Mat 13:28- “‘An enemy has done this!’ the farmer exclaimed. “‘Should we pull out the weeds?’ they asked. “‘No,’ he replied, ‘you’ll uproot the wheat if you do. Let both grow together until the harvest. Then I will tell the harvesters to sort out the weeds, tie them into bundles, and burn them, and to put the wheat in the barn.’” Luk 5:31- Jesus answered them, “Healthy people don’t need a doctor-sick people do. I have come to call not those who think they are righteous, but those who know they are sinners and need to repent.” So lets judge by fruit, I will list below what the fruit of the Spirit is, and what the WORKS of the flesh are. you tell me, what attributes Andrew seems to exhibit more Gal 5:22 But the Holy Spirit produces this kind of fruit in our lives: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. There is no law against these things! Gal 5:19 When you follow the desires of your sinful nature, the results are very clear: sexual immorality, impurity, lustful pleasures, idolatry, sorcery, hostility, quarreling, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish ambition, dissension, division, envy, drunkenness, wild parties, and other sins like these. Let me tell you again, as I have before, that anyone living that sort of life will not inherit the Kingdom of God. now when it comes to forgiving Christians who fall into sin (WHICH IS DIFFERENT THEN THOSE who are not believers that repent and turn to God.) 2Co 2:7 So that contrariwise ye ought rather to forgive him, and comfort him, lest perhaps such a one should be swallowed up with overmuch sorrow. So if we are to forgive repentant brothers and sisters who fell back in sin, right away as to not cause them destructive grief, how much more are we too celebrate sinners who give their life to God. and if God remembers their sins no more, then who the heck are we to keep bringing past sins up, and making others account for them Heb 8:12 “FOR I WILL BE MERCIFUL TO THEIR INIQUITIES, AND I WILL REMEMBER THEIR SINS NO MORE.” Psa 103:12 As far as the east is from the west, So far has He removed our transgressions from us. Isa 38:17 Indeed it was for my own peace That I had great bitterness; But You have lovingly delivered my soul from the pit of corruption, For You have cast all my sins behind Your back. Isa 43:25 “I, even I, am He who blots out your transgressions for My own sake; And I will not remember your sins. Mic 7:19 He will again have compassion on us, And will subdue our iniquities. You will cast all our sins Into the depths of the sea. But the most important part that Andrew misses, is that he is placing himself in the seat of judge, and the problem with that, is Rom 2:1- You may think you can condemn such people, but you are just as bad, and you have no excuse! When you say they are wicked and should be punished, you are condemning yourself, for you who judge others do these very same things. And we know that God, in his justice, will punish anyone who does such things. Since you judge others for doing these things, why do you think you can avoid God’s judgment when you do the same things? Don’t you see how wonderfully kind, tolerant, and patient God is with you? Does this mean nothing to you? Can’t you see that his kindness is intended to turn you from your sin? Jas 4:11- Do not speak evil of one another, brethren. He who speaks evil of a brother and judges his brother, speaks evil of the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge. There is one Lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy. Who are you to judge another?
@JessCGrants10 күн бұрын
Please tell us where he said Narla be punished? It is irresponsible to platform Narla so soon. That's all he's saying. Remorse, Penance, fruits of the spirit in charity and humility.
@kevinezema61594 күн бұрын
@@kevinezema6159 who is Narla?
@sa-rq2xj3 күн бұрын
One other thing Lauren was wrong on (that Andrew did not address) was about high IQ partner= lower divorce. Thats actually wrong; women with higher than average IQ are actually LESS likely to get married and MORE likely to initiate divorce against her husband. Give her a college degree and the odds of her being the one to file for divorce reaches 90%. Then throw in that most high IQ women want to do things that make them worse wives and less oikely to submit. I'm a man with a 137 IQ and i would NEVER get legally married under the current conditions. And if i did get married, i certainly would not want my wife to be high IQ. Around 95-115 would be ideal. I want a young, somewhat attractive , broke, average IQ feminine chick fil a worker WAY more than a brilliant, rich, boss babe, especially if shes 30 + which is the average age women are getting married at now. Also no hymen= no diamond
@LordBattleSmurf11 күн бұрын
well im assuming you want some kind of iq cuz i doubt that you would want to date a total airhead that sets the kitchen on fire due to her stupidity right?
@maximustrolleus986011 күн бұрын
Does the high IQ itself cause the problems or is high IQ correlated with other things that actually cause the marriage issues? One example I could think of is that high IQ is more likely to be highly educated, which means more likely to have been subjected to feminist indoctrination in college. I'm not claiming one way or the other. I don't know.
@cmdrfunk11 күн бұрын
@@cmdrfunk ppl with higher education are also more likely to question things as college teaches you how to think not what to think. Majority of jobs only care about teaching you what to think cuz they will fire you for thinking differently
@maximustrolleus986011 күн бұрын
@@cmdrfunkThe problem is that female lower nature has been weaponised and enforced, and high IQ women are better able to quickly and ruthlessly take advantage of this to gain power. High IQ women deploy every trick in the hoebag handbook 100 times faster and more ruthlessly than average women.
@autarko11 күн бұрын
She doesn't understand the dynamics at play. I think what she may have read is that first marriages between two college educated people statistically last longer. If this is true it's because the wife has his balls in a jar and he is too afraid of divorce so lives in misery. I've seen my old friends reduced to shells of men.
@autarko11 күн бұрын
Great episode! 🔥
@chuymiranda45312 күн бұрын
32:11 If you see a fat person in the gym, be happy and proud for them that they made at least that first step. Sure, you can simultaneously have your doubts that they will make the next step or bet that they’ll go home and eat a sleeve of Oreos, but that doesn’t change the fact they made the first step. Same logic.
@robwkris11 күн бұрын
Respect for debating Andrew in good faith
@RyanPaly12 күн бұрын
With Andrew's views that it's sinful for non-Christians to marry and/or procreate, I think Lauren should inquire on his views on Separation of Church and State.
@buybuydandavis8 күн бұрын
His view comes from Orthodox Christianity and he said it in the video. The separation of church and state is a made up concept from the enlightenment.
@BM_1008 күн бұрын
@@BM_100 him and people like him are traitors to America, go move to the middle east if you want to live under a theocratic dictatorship. Leave America for real Americans....
@bighomiestevethemetalhead81318 күн бұрын
Great job Lauren! Thank you for hosting this debate on your channel. You handled the debate with poise, integrity, and courage. My respect for you has doubled because you clearly demonstrate intelligence and a willingness to learn and accept logical positions. I fully agree that Big Con cannot be trusted. They silence and gag their own people, making them hypocrites. Andrew did a phenomenal job explaining his points and perspectives clearly. Christians should not solely focus on being nice; I am starting to believe that the Church cares more about being nice rather than ensuring it represents Christ and His word. Andrew is the best debater I've ever seen and is not afraid to hold anyone accountable. This debate was excellent, and we should promote more discussions like these. We need more speech, not less!
@ResistTheSystem10 күн бұрын
Andrew Wilson is way too hostile. Nobody is perfect but Lauren isn't arguing in bad faith and doesn't deserve to be attacked the way Andrew goes on the offensive.
@standhaftgarithos383212 күн бұрын
Lauren was way to nice for this debate.
@Patrick_OBrien12 күн бұрын
agree, shes graceful.
@sampahpribadi12 күн бұрын
@@sampahpribadi good way to put it
@Patrick_OBrien12 күн бұрын
or maybe she had to be nice after Andrew exposed her contradiction. She only became defensive after she couldn't give a full-proof solution to redpill guys which made her nervous
@rizveerifatchowdhury80111 күн бұрын
@@Patrick_OBrien Why do you feminist always hide behind "She was too nice and he's just a big meanie pants"?
@johneaston831411 күн бұрын
@@johneaston8314 wouldn't know. I'm not a feminist. Keep walking bud
@Patrick_OBrien11 күн бұрын
Thank you for actually engaging honestly. Andrew can come off aggressively because he matches energy and then obviously those clips go viral but this seemed like a productive discussion and was great to watch.
@americannacho8 күн бұрын
I agree with Andrew on a lot of his points but also find him an insufferable jerk.
@ericdanielhaley12 күн бұрын
This
@spiderknight989312 күн бұрын
Exactly. I finally had to tell KZhead to stop recommending me his content. You can be a firm and incisive defender of the faith without being an a-hole. He gets a pass on his behavior because too many Christians just want to punch (metaphorically) the people they disagree with. Andrew gives them red meat.
@selderane12 күн бұрын
Being nice got us in this mess.
@marcusaurelius514912 күн бұрын
He goes out of his way to be hostile and disagreeable
@radhiadeedou828612 күн бұрын
Are you the tone police.
@mr.g427212 күн бұрын
Recognizing that people of differing values can value certain things but not others doesn't make you "someone who invites imposters/impersonators", to the same degree in which one can point out the Bootleggers wanted alcohol sales illegal on Sundays just like the Baptists, though admittedly that analogy doesn't work perfectly for the point I'm trying to make. I'm probably in between a fifth or quarter of the way into this and I can say the major difference here is that this is a conversation between an idealogue and someone who is much more humble to admitting they do not know everything. While I'm not disagreeing with everything Andrew is saying, he will be the key to the downfall of the conservative movement. Opening people to differing ideologies if they are not familiar to ours is how you bring them in. This backwards idea of force will not work in a modern day society, to the same degree that you cannot force someone to believe or worship God. I've been disagreeing with Lauren with a lot of takes nowadays, but a lot of the reservations she holds for the red-pill movement are well justified, and describing her video on Nala the way Andrew did is just dishonest. Again, not to say there aren't any legitimate criticisms of Nala or Lauren's coverage of her (mostly regarding Nala getting rid of the money earned from such a sinful career), but describing it as a matter of just wOrShIpPiNg her is dishonest, or purely delusional. And I say this as someone who agrees with the point that we shouldn't be Holy just on display and for approval of those around us, plenty of the points Andrew made regarding the sincerity of of one's faith being practiced in private are absolutely true. The problem with Andrew's perspective as I see it right now is that it gives no reason for anyone to invest in their spirituality and to a faith in God if they are not a believer. I hope Nala sticks to her faith and learns to be a good Christian in time, because the reasonable concern is that this is just a publicity stunt for her (like Brittany Spears, who I've heard used conversion as a method to try to garner more attention), but is it really a bad thing for us as a society to encourage that development?
@Marshall_Francies12 күн бұрын
I also understand that people fall into the trap of "lack of loyalty for God but trying to live in a perceivably honest and righteous life" as to why they'd believe if there is a God they'd go to heaven, but at the same time the way Andrew talks is if Christianity is a club with special protocol and practices that if anybody does outside the club is necessarily harmful to their existence. Considering his debate with Matt Dillahunty (or at least what happened before Matt rage quit), I would've figured Andrew would be able to recognize the value of praxis and winning people over by showing the effectiveness and value of Christian structure and ethics, but I suppose he isn't. I guess what I'm trying to say is I have a hard time believing he cares about actually spreading the word in any effective way. Not to say compromise for the sake of effectiveness is what I'm saying is okay, I'm NOT, but he seems to think that bringing the message in the most blunt manner possible is the only way, and to that I strongly disagree. You won't win a homosexual over by telling him "God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve".
@Marshall_Francies12 күн бұрын
And lastly, no, Lauren is not a covert feminist. The most disagreeable opinions Andrew gave are his overly simplistic beliefs on Feminism. Yeah, he talks to plenty of modern day feminist, but he clearly is oblivious to its foundational beliefs, funnily enough to probably a similar degree as many of the third/fourth wave feminists he argued with.
@Marshall_Francies12 күн бұрын
@@Marshall_Francieshe would literally eliminate the vote for women if he was king and you say he’s like a third wave feminist.
@Jaco05911 күн бұрын
It's YOU who is dangerous to conservatism. Has your way been working the past few decades?
@OrthoLou11 күн бұрын
@@Jaco059 nowhere in my replies did I say he was acting like a third wave feminist. I said he very clearly doesn't understand the foundations of feminism, did you even read through my messages?
@Marshall_Francies6 күн бұрын
Is there a path to turn society around if there's no opened door for people? I'm genuinely asking, I'm fairly new to all this. When I watch stuff like this it makes me kind of afraid to try and join a church. It's something I've been trying to learn more about, but then I see this and kind of think to myself maybe I'm not welcome there? I don't know, society is so far gone now, and so many people are looking for a path back, but would they only be entering into a situation of permanent shame and looked down on forever by their peers?
@earthtoemily485512 күн бұрын
Find a church where the pastor preaches from the Bible. The people there will be loving and guide you on your journey. They aren’t all like this guy.
@spiderknight989312 күн бұрын
Andrew is not attempting to convert people with this kind of display. He’s trying to wake those up who already profess to believe in the word of God. He’s pointing out that the message has been corrupted my modern day, feminism and politics. If you watch many of his other streams or videos, he’s actually a very nice and reasonable man, He just doesn’t put up with the Fuckery of lackluster Christians, or degenerates who want to move our society away from Christian values
@gkdaniels112 күн бұрын
If you repent from your sins, and believe on Jesus Christ you'll be saved (Acts 3:19-21). Afterwards you have to strive to live righteously as habitual sin can invalidate one's salvation (Philippians 2:12-13) but once you believe and repent you're forgiven (John 8:3-11), (Roman 6:23), (Matthew 9:5-6) and your sinful history is wiped clean not to be remembered again by God (Hebrews 8:12). Jesus is the only person who is able to do this as he was the one who paid the penalty of sin which is death on your behalf so you don't have to Romans 6:23 John 1:29. Everyone is guilty of sin and so every one needs Jesus Christ Romans 3:23. This is the spiritual side of things. I would recommend a Pentecostal church, or Evangelical church, or non denominational, or Assemblies of God, or Word of Faith Church, or a Victory Outreach church. I would stay away from Catholicism, the Orthodox Church, Mormons, the Universal Church and Jehovah's witnesses. Maybe Baptist but not really. What these guys are arguing over though are preferences in relationships which is a different conversation. If you're single after converting to Christianity you can still find a match though they may have a similar background to yours maybe and if that's an issue then its the problem Andrew and them have gripe over. In my personal Christian circle I've witnessed a single mom who's marriage to a man who had no children previously going on for 20 + years and still counting with 3 new kids. I've also seen a single a mom marry a man with no kids where they ended up divorced. I've also seen blended families. For the sake of argument a single mom can't expect a man with no kids deliberately rejecting single men who do have kids which is what Pearl and Andrew are critical over. Persons have to be realistic about their expectations. The issue is false converts taking advantage of people claiming to be Christian but not really living the Christian life and not being the type of spouse they're instructed to be in the bible but being super picky, expecting the perfect spouse and exhibiting narcissism, arrogance and selfish behaviors and attitudes. These are Christians in name only. Really a successful marriage means understanding whom' you're compatible with and whom you're not, it means having realistic expectations, it means understanding from your side what you need to do in the marriage for the marriage to survive, you have to put in the work and not just be a taker giving nothing back, you have to think about how you can make your spouses life easier and peaceful, how you can be an asset and not a liability, it means working out mental and emotional issues prior to getting married so those problems don't bleed into the marriage to harm the marriage, it means asking the right questions and knowing what you want so both you and your potential spouse are on the same page, it means no longer living the sinful life of your past and being genuine in your Christian conversion. Marriage is serious business, people may think they can get away with divorce over nonsensical things on earth but they can't get away with it spiritually as its considered adultery. People thinking they can get married then get divorced and ask for forgiveness from God later is not how that works as that would be considered deliberate sin. Better to remain single than to deal the consequences of broken vows or take it serious and choose your spouse very carefully and marry to stay married.
@Law1915712 күн бұрын
Andrew is only like this in debates... Any church will welcome you with open arms, just look out for progressive ones.
@OrthoLou11 күн бұрын
@@OrthoLou thank you 😊
@earthtoemily485511 күн бұрын
I like Lauren, I'm an atheist, don't want a Christian theocratic state, but it's clear that Andrew is just running circles around Lauren. It's really hard to argue that Andrew was wrong in any of his points.
@bmardiney11 күн бұрын
Great on Lauren for showing courage and humility. I’m a huge fan of both these people. Lauren is in my opinion a feminist along with a massive portion of the conservative media female influencers. I’m glad it’s being highlighted
@yutyut102010 күн бұрын
We just witnessed a major deprogramming. More sessions are needed, but progress was made here.
@HyborianMiddleAger11 күн бұрын
Lauren needs to bone up on her understanding of theology in relation to the authority claims made by RCs and Orthodox. There are succinct answers to the claims he was making regarding sola scriptura.
@slash90311 күн бұрын
What a great conversation.
@MatthewsSloan8 күн бұрын
Props to Andrew for trying to build a church in the public sphere. With this pace it would take a millenia or two. Hopefully, we are on the same page about pushing lifespan-prolonging technology
@alexanderg967010 күн бұрын
I love it when decent, normal, liberty-minded people have Andrew on having no idea how brutally unhinged he is.
@user-mi9ge5zo3j10 күн бұрын
You’re a loser bot.
@joeydiaz5927Күн бұрын
2:01:03 LMAO Holy steelmen, Batman! He literally put forth another statement entirely.
@sebastiansirvas153012 күн бұрын
That was annoying, he's showing the same partiality he's accusing others of doing.
@bradspitt38967 күн бұрын
To the people who police Andrew"s tone, you are the reason we have the society we do, we need to enforce the negative consequences of bad behavior and speaking fankly is the first step.
@EnkiseEvolution11 күн бұрын
You’re right. No need to attack the tone. Attack the argument. He basically started with a strawman and made it clear that he would not abandon it. To the extent that Feminism seeks to place value on the insights and opinions of women, this is not a bad thing. If it were, Lauren would not have a show. Andrew is clearly threatened by the idea of letting the other 50% of society have a voice in how it is structured. This makes him appear weak. His “tone” is merely an attempt to disguise the weakness of his position. It didn’t work.
@chaosinfusion812710 күн бұрын
@@chaosinfusion8127 Hey never said women should not be allowed to have opinions, clearly you have created the strawman here.
@EnkiseEvolution10 күн бұрын
We all needs to be humbled sometimes . Andrew made very good points,but great video
@rubioalvin11 күн бұрын
Lauren needs to think through her acceptance of his position on degenerate marriages. She was taken by surprise on that one, he is using serious reductionism to justify that argument
@awakentotruthmichaelsmith46982 күн бұрын
Thank you for doing this Lauren. Andrew is a great debater but I wish he was a little bit nicer to you. That’s just because I’m a father of a daughter lol. But he makes sound points and so do you! It’s great hearing yalls opinions
@PersianGamer3612 күн бұрын
Wouldn't you give your daughter tough love like this if she were in serious error?
@OrthoLou11 күн бұрын
Do you think your daughter shouldn't be allowed to vote? Do you think your daughters husband should have total control over her?
@JackJohnson-sz3dm11 күн бұрын
This is the first time Ive ever heard a Christian suggest it is sinful for non-Christians to marry.
@PatriotAr159 күн бұрын
Because he's using Christianity as a cover for his authoritarianism.
@bighomiestevethemetalhead81319 күн бұрын
True, I've never heard that it's a sin to get married.
@roxyroadster63138 күн бұрын
Marriage is a sacrament in the Christian world and you need step to finalize it, secular marriage is against those step and by definition not a real marriage Especially when the authority becomes the government and not God
@kinart2437 күн бұрын
That's because it's an unscriptural and bogus argument. There's a reason nobody in the history of the church (that I'm aware of) has ever seriously argued this.
@mrpsthoughtsonthings6 күн бұрын
@@mrpsthoughtsonthings And it brings up the question, if I, as a Christian, get married in a courthouse instead of a church, have I sinned/am living in sin? Would that make my marriage not legitimate? I have a hard time swallowing that idea lol.
I can easily describe Lauren Chen: "I'm not a feminist, (but I have feminist beliefs)." The same can be said for Lila Rose, Amala Ekpunobi, Brett Cooper, and almost every other female Republican and conservative in North America. It is what it is.
The indoctrination is complete
@@MattieK09yup the J’s have so much control over us at this point its horrible
But this applies to all the men from the boomers onwards as well.
@@orthotuber Very sad reality.
Because they are women first, conservatives after. They are not totally immune to programming and molding much like anyone else but especially minorities
At this point, Feminism in an overwhelming majority of Western women isn't a Yes\No question, it's a 'degree of' question.
It was an eye opener for me. Its a testament to how successfully feminism has embedded itself into modern western culture and education as a whole.
Here’s the thing, if he asked “are you a feminist?” Lauren would say “no, I’m not”. That’s not what he did. He wanted to make Lauren look trapped by repeating her points back to her but he wasn’t understanding what she was saying.
@jasminer5286 He still got through to her and she admitted where she went wrong a bunch of times 😂
@@jaquinrice7923 I never said she didn’t admit when she was wrong, but that shows more to her character than his anyways. Either way, the OG comment above is talking about feminism not being a “yes or no” question anymore, but it still is. Many women who don’t believe in feminism would just outright say “no”. Her admitting when she’s wrong doesn’t change that point.
@jasminer5286 Yeah but contradictions make the rule and she was a great advocator for men but once she got married, she started going in on the red pill, I get what you're saying but that's always how Andrew is going to be. I don't watch neither, however there are a few conservatives that don't give the time of day and she was one of them. But yeah she definitely learned from this experience no doubt.
Mad respect for tangling with Andrew. Most people are cowards.
true but to be blunt she got her butt whooooped
Much respect for Lauren for engaging with Andrew
And getting schooled.
Ikr..he's a crazy person
And schooling him*
And schooling him
@@andrewbenner6349 settle down simp…she didn’t school him on shit
Lauren, I appreciate your humbleness and your willingness to actually listen to people. Your calm demeanor is one of the reasons I have watched you all these years.
Its the asian in her they understand how to be quiet and just listen which is a positive attribute. Its really a lost art form in the feminist mindset.
She was very patient with this guy. He's hostile in a way that feels over the top, or performative.
@@james5637 She was patient and he was disrespectful because deep down he believes that women are underlings and need to be lectured (brainwashed) into submission to men.
@@ankymrndid you even watch the thing she agreed with him on everything
She's easy on the eyes too...😂
Well handled Lauren. Andrew may be abrasive however he's honest and no nonsense and that is what is needed against the degenerates.
A lot of nonsense and drivel, honestly. Did he even once state an argument of Lauren's correctly? No, just throws in extra premises and then ridicules his straw man. Bad faith.
@@josephalbatross5961Can you post a timestamp as an example? I watched the entire thing live, this sounds like a load of BS to me.
@@Tauramehtarit's bs Andrew was correct on pretty much everything
How is he abrasive? If you don't speak like a woman this is abrasive? You're part of the problem
@@Tauramehtar He made strawmans with Myron callin him a degenerate but his redpill message is intact. Lauren just questioned the Sugar daddy instance but he made it sound petty that she even asked. Then she questioned Pearl's tweet, without really condemning her, and he took it personal. Listen to how female he got cussing at her LOL. Its embarassing! Then said Lauren isnt talkin truth yet all she was doin was questioning the tweet, Myrons sugar daddy page, and Nala's born again moment. With the Nala thing with him scolding her acceptance when in actuality all she said was "we shall see if its real or not" but Lauren was just giving a benefit of the doubt and Andrew didnt accept her answer as that, but that claiming (without saying it) to be a hypocrite because he wouldnt accept NAla because of her recent "Born again" claim, but like Lauren said or at least try to say, she wants to give her a shot and see if its true or not. Andrew was being too abrasive with someone who isnt anything like the girls that they both criticize. He even said his only reason he was on was because of Lauren's criticism of Pearl. I like all these people and watched them for a while now, but it seems he was so offended he had to try and batter Lauren for her very mild critiques.
Big w for Lauren for keeping her cool and listening to his words instead of reacting to his tone like most people do
I will definitely give props for that
Or he could learn the social graces.
@@ZephaniahL Yes. Too many of the "Red Pill" men act like fools before even speaking.
@@ZephaniahL Tone police, it's what they do to Trump "I don't like your tone", Lauren did a good job at saying "there is nothing wrong with Andrew's tone."
@@slowville6637Part of being a traditional, Christian man is to be aware of your tone and knowing when and how to use it. A big part of of being Christian is to become more like Jesus Christ. Who was not always abrasive, if ever really. Even when dealing with people who disagreed with him or those whose lifestyles he saw as sin and/or wrong.
I always knew Lauren was based. Slightly misguided, but intelligent to admit she was wrong.
What everyone is missing is that Laurens views are a reflection of a weak husband.
@@TheConpuentes They're from Canada... All things considered, they're pretty based lol.
Not misguided... just trying to preserve as much of her gains as she can. We predicted this over a decade ago.
She had no choice but to submit to Andrew. Because Andrew is a based patriarchist.
@@Marcus_MG42 I wonder how many men stood before the judge and their wife's lawyer because they believed that...
He’s not wrong, you can’t blame RP for offering solutions to the world as it exists. At least they are lifting men up instead of telling them to marry hos because she “found” Christ! No wonder men are rejecting that.
This is incoherent from top to bottom. Andrew claims RP doesn't offer solutions. They do, while they claim they don't. This whole statement is ironic considering who Andrew decided to marry, as well. Perhaps you should rethink your position.
But she's a church girl now! They rubbed some Christ on her and everything.
@@MenOfVirtue What's wrong with his wife? You mean he shouldn't have married her because she had a kid before him? Andrew has stated that just because it worked for him doesn't mean it will work for anyone else and has even said that single moms are a bad bet.
Did you not pay attention? RP describes what is. It doesn’t say what you should or should not do. Don’t conflate how people respond to the truth with the truth itself. For example, in the Matrix, as Neo reaches for the RP, Morpheus tells him “All I’m offering is the truth, nothing more.” Neo took the truth and fought for mankind. The other guy Cypher took the truth and went on to kill his own crew members.
@@SageDivinity The point is that human beings are human beings, and individuals can decide for themselves whether they marry someone with a sordid past or not. And choosing to do so, doesn't mean they are 'simping' or making a mistake. Because Andrew himself did that, believing it was the right decision for him and Rachel. No problem with that. But he takes every opportunity to criticize and belittle other men who do the exact same thing he did. It's hypocritical.
56:26 Dude i am 100% with him on this. The trad response has been "get married its good!" And i am always like what are you talking about?? The average dudes life contains none of the prequisites for a healthy marriage. The average dude getting married to a girl that will have him will get his life wrecked!
💯, the generic device should not be get married. It should be get prepared for marriage. Most men today are products of weak environments and throw tantrums and fits like children. And that's just talking about the men so far
I don't understand how trad "Christians" always ignore 1 Corinthians 7. They seem to worship marriage more than they worship God...
There is an in between on this. The message should not just be, hey go and get married to anyone quickly. But it should also not be, no guy ever get married. If Andrew as a Christian really is with these red pill people that no man should ever get married, then Christian men would not be able to have sex (a sin if they do) and then we end up with an even more secular society. The message should be, try to find a faithful trustworthy woman to marry who you know is very against divorce. There are women like that, which still do exist. And the prescriptions Andrew talks about like moving to a more patriarchal society and changing marriage laws, yea that would all be great, but that is going to happen any time soon, and probably never will. As a man, realistically, you need to learn how to navigate in a shitty system. I get you may not be Christian and so none of this means much to you, but I am just trying to explain it anyway from a more Christian perspective, since that is what Andrew is.
@@josephmoore5949 I mean i understood lol He didn't really say anything super christiany. Marriage is a good thing. But there are lots of things that need to be adjusted for marriage to work for broader society. Dating/Hookup culture has to go. Uhmm the false standard of nuclear family has to go. We need the extended family back in the house, destigmatize multigeneration living. Uhmm men need to get married later to younger women getting married earlier. A revolution in the family courts. A revolution in the school system. We need to get back to a paternal standard for custody. Children are the fathers' and thats needs to be recognized in the broader society and legally, stigmatize birth control and abortion.
@@josephmoore5949his prescription is 100% biblical. I don't get why you think he believes christians shouldn't get married.
Mad props to you Lauren for debating this dude. His take no prisoners brand is not easy to deal with. Very entertaining!
That's right. This was entertainment. Like the Simpsons. That's all.
he takes no prisoners, because he has huge mountain of knowledge even so, that he tested all of it through debates and solidified weak points. one day, Lauren will be the same, if she will not take anything personally and will think critically of her knowledge. Andrew manage to caught her multiple times because she didn't think it through. she has a lot of to think about after this debate. it was good to watch.
It’s not hard to deal with if you’re logical.
@@CP9Company He comes off as so full of himself and condescending.
@@ankymrn you’re in your feelings lil bro
Hey Lauren. You're the OG. You're still Roaming Milliennial to me. And just wanted to say I think you're great and you're one of the main reasons I'm not a liberal anymore
You replaced liberalism with liberalism...
You’re not a liberal anymore but u just agree w liberals. That’s the issue. Most people say they aren’t feminists, but most people agree w feminism.
@@eval7952 I do agree with feminism in that women should have a choice. I guess that is pretty "progressive", but you known we're not going too turn back the clock. Until the Khalifate (I live in Europe) is here, women will vote. So it shouldn't even be a talking point, cos it's never gonna happen. And yeah.... I appreciate you guys, I'm a regular whatever podcast watcher, but the way you guys talk about women sometimes, does make me uncomfortable. So yeah, maybe I am a liberal, soy boy cuck whatever you wanna call in your eyes, but I'm just kind of looking at practical solutions. It's fun to "destroy" OnlyFans girls, but it's not going anywhere any time soon, so we need practical solutions. Also, I'm not very religious and maybe that will come later on life, but probably not so. I get you guys, I get where you're coming from, but in the end, it's not gonna solve anything. We need practical solutions and that entails compromises. Yes, compromises even with the atheistic, abortion loving lefties
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W Andrew. W Lauren for being good faith.
Good faith is two married people discussing another woman's view on why single men are saying no without the men themselves being allowed to talk?
@@DiogenesDworkinson Yes. That's absolutely a series of words borne of your imagination transcribed onto the internet. Thank you for sharing. But that's the limit of it's actual existence. Your imagination.
@@dakotajones9709 So name one unmarried man who isn't a player, glowy or both the right has let talk. Just one.
Andrew got it right. Young men who are rather secular, living in a secular society, don’t see an upside to the state enforcing penalties on a man when a woman decides, for any reason that she doesn’t want to be involved in the contract that she signed Anymore. The attitudes of our society are secular, and not coming from the Christian world view that both Lauren (at least the pussified feminized version), and Andrew both subscribed to. Andrew is simply voicing where most men are coming from.
@@gkdaniels1I think it's just young men being irresponsible and choosing casual sex because it's more readily available. They wouldn't get married even if the laws were changed. That's just their excuse
im so happy we are finally rooting out feminism on the right wing. its a real problem. women don’t even realize they’re doing it for the most part.
Are you married?
@nogoodusernames100i’m in a serious orthodox courtship with sacramental marriage being the goal for us.
@areyoutheregoditsmedave Good for you, most of the red pill guys are incels that hate the world.
2:18:29 so many say “he who without sin cast the first stone” but leave out “now get up and SIN NO MORE.”
Turned out to be more of a lecture than a debate but props to Lauren for being intelligent enough to admit where she was wrong
Lectures are good if there is a deficit of relevant knowlege. I enjoy both streamers. didn't even need to come to kumite.
I still haven't seen a woman prep and do well in a debate on youtube
Lecture where the professor was wrong about a bunch of stuff. Andrew is wrong about gender being a social construct. He also gets Christian ethics wrong, and many other things. He just had a silver tongue and most people don't understand philosophy to counter. Same reason Destiny is successful.
The reason fee mails are so ignorant is they never listen to us men. I would never show my face in public if I was as ignorant as Lauren.
@@JohnSmith-bq6nf fee mails are incapable of debate.
Lauren did a great job of lowering the temperature in the room. Seems she understands you don't always have to match the same hostile energy of your opponents.
Andrew mopped the floor with Lauren. And he's as dumb as a rock..
Hostile requires ill intentions, being direct and impactful is not hostile.
It looked to me more like weakness and submission (but I repeat myself)
@@dakotajones9709being hostile doesn't require ill intention.
@@newerax1009 Definitionally you are correct I looked up the definition. Though being direct and impactful doesn't equate to hostility. Most people, including myself, associate hostility with ill intention. I can be very blunt or direct with my daughter, it doesn't mean I'm her enemy or being antagonistic to her, I may be attempting to help her. I dont think the word fits.
Of course Lauren isn't against hypergamy, as a woman.
Of course. I bet her husband makes a ton of money or comes from it. God forbid she dates or marries below her level.
Yup.
There's nothing inherently wrong with hypergamy. Women being selective has been good for the species for most of history. However the modern world has corrupted hypergamy's expression, because technology has tricked women in the illusion they no longer need men for their survival/happiness and they can now merely express their selectivity for the most superficial self indulging reasons.
@@morb357 She was actually the higher earner when they were dating. It isn't clear if he's out earning her at the moment. Its probably why he delayed having children with Lauren as he was in school and wasn't earning as much while Lauren was aware her biological clock was ticking pushing him to get things moving.
@@jollypolly1686 I've wanted a large family myself so the natural conclusion is that I have to earn a certain amount to be able to afford those kids and if I want a wife to stay home and look after the kids and the house I really have to earn or relocate to another city or state where you can support a family of 5 on single income without being a millionaire. Though nothing wrong with a woman working so long as she puts her family first, it comes in handy should something happen to your own job and you're stuck job hunting for a while or you get injured and can't work for a while, her job skills comes in handy then. But she has to be the type of person who will work if she has to but would rather be home to raise children if she can, in this way I don't have a problem with hypergamy. So you're right, the expression of hypergamy today is materialism with complete disregard to family and the well being of the husband, they only care about money and when the money goes they go.
Thanks for joining Andrew for this talk. It was pretty good.
respect for engaging...
And where is Terrance Popp? I'm tired of married people and women telling me when the red pill is to single men.
@@DiogenesDworkinson yes, your experience is so very unique.
It is not surprising you often find yourself agreeing with Pearl. Her secret is that she is RIGHT about what the problems are for men. Her solutions often leave alot to be desired, but she is rarely wrong about the issues.
Pearl isn’t qualified to speak on men’s problems lol
@@alfarouqaminufor3892 Says who? If she's right, she's right. Qualifications are something made up by people. Facts are facts. It doesn't matter how many qualifications you have or don't have if you're right. That must hurt a bit, so you're trying to dodge and delegitamize...... which is no surprise.
@alfarouqaminufor3892 And who decides who is qualified for it? You? Or is there a group out there we don't know about?
@@alfarouqaminufor3892One has learn to separate the person from the ideas. If Pearl said "2+2=4" is the idea correct, or does it suddenly become incorrect because Pearl said it?
@@zacharyiler136 Andrew would do the exact same thing to pearl has he did to Lauren, exposed, that’s point number one. Next point, pearl watches a few YT videos then comments on them does not qualify her, I bet she’s never read the rational male or the unplugged alpha not to mention Dr. Buss. She essentially steals ideas and content from people who actually did the real research, she’s just a content creator not an actual researcher. She shouldn’t be a representation of the red pill because if she debated someone like rollo or even Andrew she would look foolish. That’s why she’s not qualified you simp.
I wish he would debate Lila Rose on this. Her take on this is 10x worse.
What’s her take?
@@AnnSmajstrlaseconded, what's her take?
Third what is her position
What's her take mate ? Asking day 2 .
@AnnSmajstrla she just completely ignores the red pill argument altogether. Thinks there are plenty of eligible women to marry.
Andrew Wilson is WAY too impressed with Pearl Davis; he gives her too much credit. He's always got to come to her rescue whenever she gets called out for saying something stupid or baffling: "Nuh uh! If you really paid attention and know her like I do you would know THIS is what she really meant!" The fact that he keeps going to bat for her...I don't get it.
Because she spouts the same ideology
He’s not “way to impressed” with Pearl. He even said in this video that she isn’t even a good debater. You’re looking to much into something that isn’t there.
not really, he commends her for not letting women off of the hook. something Lauren Chen does way too much
Where in the Bible does it say if a non-believer gets married it's a sin? I'm honestly confused by this comparison
He made it up. Like the rest of the ideas that came from his face in this terrible conversation.
@@agathafry4233 okay. I didn’t know if it was some teaching in the Orthodox church
@@moviebuff9278 Anyone teaching this has missed the point of Jesus’ teachings. A charlatan. A grifter. This guy Andrew.
I have personally never read that getting married is a sin. This is my first time hearing it as well.
I think he was trying to say that any marriage recognized by the state isn't a real marriage. That marriage is to be under the churches authority to grant. Therefore, the secularists that get married aren't actually married but live together in sin. What I mean by church authority to grant is simply this. There is a process before the marriage that ought to happen to legitimately verify that the couple in question to help them understand each other motives, desires, and ambitious. We live in a secular society that typically doesn't adhere to this kind of process. We often get married in a church that we never attend by a pastor that says a few speeches beforehand, and some don't even do that.
Lauren Chen (married woman) and Andrew Wilson (married man) on the views of Pearl Davis (unmarried woman) on the Red Pill because men are not marrying. Our voice is still unheard, unallowed. Why? Really think about it...
Yep. None of them will even speak to Peter Nolan. Lol.
So you want to marry but don't marry in protest?
Aren't most if not all of the red pill guys unmarried men?
Dude if anyone needs a hint look at pearls associates and audience. She's a muddy shark. A coal burning oven. A spade tail. Cmon.
Secular men don’t deserve the sacrament of marriage anyway until they accept Christ as Lord. Simple.
Lauren major W, I agree with Andrew but I think you two are more align then most might realized, much respect for taking the fire and debate with him. Hope y’all join forces! 🔥
I totally agree with this. People's problem with Andrew is, I hate to say it, the typical feminine argument of 'it's not what you said it's how you said it'. Spoken word is the sword described by Jesus in the bible, and in that regard, Andrew is necessarily lethal. But I don't think he's wrong, and it's remarkably refreshing to see someone stripping away all the garbage and challenging ideas at their core with a simple, consistent rational guided by ethos. Whether you agree with Andrew or not, you have to admit the man is absolutely consistent and principled.
Dude. Don't be a beta brad. Its shameful
I don't think we watched the same debate
Which debate were you watching? Lauren got schooled. I'm more aligned with her but the debate isn't about who you agree with before the debate, it's about who was more persuasive.
@@momomomocensoredbyyoutube9085 just to clarify when I said Major W I was meaning more in the context of this was a great debate. Andrew 100% won this debate but I like Lauren and I definitely think she’s open minded enough to hear what he was saying and actually reflect on it. He’s right we need people on his side and Lauren would be a great ally for that
To the super chatter who asked the question about “Mormonism”. Mormonism is NOT Christianity. At all.
Mormonism is to christianity the way islam is christianity. Or christianity is judaism.
So they worship Jesus Christ and read the Bible but they’re still not Christian? Sounds like main character syndrome.
Their name is literally The Church of Jesus Christ of Later Day Saints
@@immersion9880 The muslims worship jesus too. What's you're point. They added a new messiah, that's the point.
@@Akuma60 And? That means NOTHING. The banking system is called the “federal reserve” and there is NOTHING Federal about it. It’s a private banking system. The “patriot act” is called the patriot act and there is NOTHING Patriotic about it, quite the opposite. Again Mormonism is NOT Christianity. They follow the teachings of Jospeh Smith who was a heretic, a liar and a complete fraud.
Sex meaning far less for men than for women is a function and a remaining remnant of hyper masculine patriarchy. To be clear, I am not against the idea that in many cases, men are naturally suited for leadership, and as a generalized idea, women are not as suited for leadership. That doesn’t mean all men are good leaders or that no women possess leadership qualities. However, hyper masculine society created the idea that “boys will be boys” and women must be kept under rules and parameters that keep them from operating in the same way. This idea that sex is nothing to men, is promoting the idea of being a less than optimal man, and empty man. Much of modern feminism is just another deceptive notion luring women into being sub-optimal empty women, all in the name of “it’s fine for men to be that way.” 2 wrongs don’t equal being right, both ideas are destructive and damaging.
The thing is he's not wrong. Pearl is a horrible messenger for the truth he's describing though. It's inconceivable to us because for as long as we've lived and our parents have lived, we've taken western culture at face value. I think it's been on an evil path for a long time.
This is already an AWESOME discussion! And Andrew is right, I've been saying for years that Feminism's only purpose is to dismantle the Patriarchy. Which boils down to dismantling heterosexuality because that's what the Patriarchy is based on, male and female relationships, creating families, building society together. Feminism wants a separation of men and women. Just read books from Feminists like Andrea Dworkins on the idea that hetero sex is sexual an assault on women, which is ridiculous, but a growing demographic of people are believing this stuff.
Yeah, the LGBT are known to hate straight people
You can be straight and build a family without patriarchy
@@apap4950 No you can't. Most inmates in prison come from fatherless homes and research has shown that children develop mental and emotional problems when the father is absent as well as developing other problems. Studies show that children in fact thrive when the father is present even when the father is single. Single mom households bring communities to ruin with increased crime rates and degeneracy. These aren't opinions these are facts backed by research.
@@apap4950 That's a good point. You certainly can, but those families don't tend to last.
What is patriarchy and what is matriarchy?
The chain smoking can’t possibly be good for him or his family.
"I've always found smoking to be the most pleasurable form of slow suicide." - Kurt Vonnegut -
He’s the token representation of the “heil patriarchy” squad.
Lol😂
So Andrew promotes the trend of secular men not having children and Christian men having more children because he is a Christian patriarch who wants to advocate for a society in the future that is composed of more people who are Christian and patriarchal. Lauren states that she is also pro-patriarchal and Christian but wants a big umbrella approach to advocating this. Andrew is against the big umbrella approach because from his perspective this approach allows those who are not of actual good faith to enter into the movement and the liability is greater than the benefits. Lauren seems to believe that the promotion of marriage as a good thing to secular people is a natural gateway towards people accepting Christianity more. Andrew... disagrees? He believes that this will lead to more secularism because secular people are more likely to produce secular children thus, it does not benefit the spread of Christianity or patriarchy.
Andrew is right. Allowing secularism, aka feminism, to coexist alongside Christianity is what had led to the degeneracy we have today. Wickedness cannot be tolerated. It is like yeast, as the Bible says. It leavens the whole loaf.
All evidence proves Andrew right.
I think you got it all right. I think drastically changing the laws would definitely be a good thing but what is needed for a real change to a better society is moving to total patriarchy or at least as far there as possible because then the community standards would stop the women's degeneracy (I hope that's a word, English is not my first language but you'll get it). Andrew was right saying this is a women problem caused by their hypergamy.
@@geraldg350no it doesn’t bro is a straight nerd 🤣
Patriarchal system was made by god, was in bible from the beginning and system works perfectly, all other feminists bull sh*t and other type of system are trash and history proved it many times, especially this days.
This conversation needed to be had. It pains me to realize how many Christians don’t even know what a marriage is. Read “Love & Responsibly” by Pope John Paul II. Or Theology of The Body. You’ll never see life , relationships, or Christianity the same again. It’s so rewarding.
Marriage existed way before organised religion was a thing, in 2350BC in fact. Religious nutjobs gatekeeping marriage is not what this world needs.
Is marrying a divorcee in accordance with the catholic faith? I'm asking because Wilson is. Should we throw the rocks at him?
@@Stephen64138 His wife also had 3 children with two other guys, one out of wedlock. I thought that was a huge no-no with religious nutjobs like Andrew.
@@Stephen64138Her first marriage was invalid, anyway since she wasn't Orthodox. This is all you guys have on them and it's pathetic lol.
Maybe just read the bible. That would be a good starting point for most Christians.
Respect for Lauren to debate with Andrew. Andrew is a beast and very savage, exactly what Christianity needed right now. You have to be a savage to get rid of these evils the left has done to our society. We need to see Andrew vs Charlie Kirk
You need antisemitism.
But friend that goes against the Bible. The only savage words Jesus had were against the RELIGIOUS who treated the prostitutes and tax collectors savagely. You hate the sin, but you actually have to LOVE the sinner. Edit; just to add a source. 1 Peter 3 “Do not repay evil with evil or insult with insult. On the contrary, repay evil with blessing, because to this you were called so that you may inherit a blessing.”
@@fencserx9423 I don't understand you Christians. You're fine with killing nazis and Islamists, but you can't bear to be verbally savage to those who seek to corrupt your children with sin and condemn their immortal soul to eternal damnation. wtf
@@fencserx9423 this is why christianity is useless to address the decline of western civilization. it's incapable of defending against degeneracy, and there are absolutely no consequences for not following its edicts. you don't save society by rolling over and letting the barbarians have their way with it, all the while being smug about it because to even care about the world is to be "of the world"
@@fencserx9423 I guess we gloss over when Jesus fashioned a cord and drove them out of the temple But he did it in a NICE way
Andrew Wilson put on a master class and I hope Lauren took notes. The men who support this woman well….. lmao! Good day people.
I think Paul would disagree with him on the marriage thing. 1 Corinthians 7 "12 To the rest I say this (I, not the Lord): If any brother has a wife who is not a believer and she is willing to live with him, he must not divorce her. 13 And if a woman has a husband who is not a believer and he is willing to live with her, she must not divorce him.14 For the unbelieving husband has been sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife has been sanctified through her believing husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy." Andrews position would be, "If one of them isn’t a believer, then they didn’t really have a marriage and therefore are in sin." Paul seems to find their marriage valid even tho one party clearly did not make a sacramental covenant with God. In fact, probably neither party made a Sacramento covenant with God because he’s writing to new believers who were most likely already married.
What does a sanctified unbelieving husband/wife mean and what makes them qualify as such ? What proportion of total non-sacramental marriages might that realistically represent ? What is the purpose of sacramental marriage if non sacramental marriages can be valid in the eyes of god ?
If one of them is a believer, it's not really a secular marriage now is it?
@@Turtalzzand if anyone can be a believer at even given point in their life, then what is wrong with encouraging them to follow your practices?
@@DarkSpider1996 What we should be doing is advocating for covenant marriage (only in 3 states right now) and telling our secular people that it is the only true form of marriage.
2 Corinthians 6:14-18 King James Version 14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? 15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? 16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you. 18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty. The bible is clear. Christians are COMMANDED to be married to OTHER christians, not unbelievers(muslims, buddhists, atheists, agnostics, spiritualists, jews, EVEN the lukewarm christian". However if they defy the commandments, they CANNOT divorce unless its due to adultery.
Very very much respect for doing this Lauren! This is very much needed in today's world. We all understand Andrew can be a bit too much on the nose, but this is often needed, and people sensitive to it just need to grow a spine and start learning to listen to what he's saying. Once people do that all things makes sense. He's right! We need you more than you ever can imagine! So don't play nice to the Destiny's out there. We will do this in name of the lord. I very much looking forward to your conversation with Pearl. I want you to push back as hard as you can, just as she will. Keeping going and you're doing great work!
Thanks for doing this debate Lauren and Andrew.
ngl Andrew opened my eyes.
then you are midwit
You agree with someone I don't like, therefore you're a midwit... Andrew has some very interesting takes that most people have never thought about before. For example his argument about rights and force. I haven't seen any good rebuttal to that from anyone he has ever debated. Everyone gets stumped by it. Edit: The "midwit" comment I addressed is no longer here as the author probably deleted it. Just in case someone is wondering what was I replying to.
Yes and no. It was a debate about Christianity as a solution.. But there are *other factors* that would better society, immediately. - Transmission and pride in one's history. Young guys need to be proud of their heritage, and be part of something greater, to be dynamic. - Father-to-son talks. Jordan Peterson is right on this. You don't need to believe in God, to share quality moment and a healthy framework between generations. - end of over-medication and poor US food. Ask athletes, they'll tell you good food equals good energy and recovery.
@@Divide_et_lmpera it's because it's true. There is no rebuttal. Unfortunately most of his takes get muddied by his desire to win arguments and not hearts and minds. His overly combative style make him less palatable then he could be.
It depends on the opponent. I imagine he'd be a little less combative in a second contest now that he's seen she can be good faith. @@Va11idus
Andrew was spot on about the fact that feminism has heavily influenced the world views of a lot of christian / conservative women without them realising.
Yes, most women, even conservatives are feminists even if they say different almost all women agree w most feminism. (That men oppress women) I would even say conservatives are the OG feminists.
Well, shit. This is ANOTHER guy I have to subscribe to.....
He's the best guest on whatever and f&f
Are you single?
@@AWDTH1111"Are YOU single man?!?" - Tommy Chong - 'That 70s Show' 😂
@@zacharymcmillan2788 Happily married
@@AWDTH1111I'm married, i wonder how much you like using feminist tactics
I just watched your debate with Andrew and thought I would subscribe to you. Great debate ❤😊
Speaking as a man who has been with one woman, my wife. Sex is more than a mere handshake. It means a lot to both her and myself. There are times when it means more to me than it does to her.
For most men, it almost always means more...
You guys are being pedantic, its not about sex literally being like a handshake, its simply that sex is not as big a deal to men.
@@jasonthomas9319 except this isn't a pedantic detail about Pearl, it's a crucial one about women. When we were in charge, we waited for marriage and married our high school sweethearts. Now they are, and they are getting with even a dozen or more per week. That's a huge change that doesn't just happen but rather is the innate expression of the differences in our true desires.
@DiogenesDworkinson The point of pedantry is that you are sticking to the literal definition and text of what she said instead of trying to understand the context and purpose.
@@jasonthomas9319 has anyone in this thread BUT YOU mentioned Pearl before you drug it into the conversation? No? So who's ACTUALLY ignoring the point to be pedantic? You want to talk? Quit strawmanning, argue in good faith and respond to the ACTUAL TOPIC.
I can’t get a read on this guy. Am I supposed to believe he’s a staunch Christian? His reasoning seems to be “hedonism is tolerated because these particular hedonists support the patriarchy…. But we’re not consequentialists, we’re Christians so we shouldn’t think in terms of best possible outcome… unless that best possible outcome is patriarchy”
His scorn for progressives who can see the wisdom in less voting suffrage... But then his giddiness to recruit redpillers for his patriarchy crucade. Such a hypocrite.
Most of those tolerated hedonists can be converted when offered a better choice, the other ones like destiny for example can't they love their degenerate behaviors, where as the others see it as the only current option.
@@scottcontreras4569 They have the choice to not participate in hook up culture or casual smashing but they choose not too as they consider abstinence a religious value. Virgin couples have the lowest divorce rates so the natural solution to the high divorce rate is to not instigate the smash and pass or the casual smash or the smash before marriage. They would rather submit to the matriarchy and sleep around as the matriarchy does not consider virgin men to be masculine or real men so they're essentially apart of empowering modern feminists because abstinence is just too religious. These dudes just can't give up the booty call.
Friend enemy distinction is tough for you
@@Jaco059 Andrew is neither friend nor foe. He seems to believe that the red pill hedonist will relinquish power to the Christian if the patriarchy returns when the hedonists don’t believe in tenets of Christianity, they only believe in subjugating women. There is no difference in using either hedonist to further your gains in power especially when as a Christian you say that Christ isn’t the solution for hedonism.
I'm subbing in the confidence that you'll come around, Lauren. You're intellectually honest, which is a great start; It means that you at least have good and right reason, the logos of Christ, so I believe that through that reason you will come to see the truth, as you have openly already began to. "Where two or more are gathered, there I Am." You and Andrew came together in the pursuit of truth (Christ) through reason (also Christ). Oh, look, there He is. Truth saves and wins.
I enjoyed the discussion Lauren, I've always enjoyed your willingness to have these types of conversations. Much respect, and keep learning and being open to the truth of things. It serves you (and all of us for that matter) to start facing reality.
you can really feel the love and joy of the lord emanating from this guy
That's the problem every one thinks it's love and joy. No it's life and Death.
@@jeremy8478Hippi love of Jesus.
lol
@@jeremy8478 you make no sense champ
@@koreangirlgroup.joy and love from Christians is a modern idea it’s always been a normal religion not some hippy dippy bs that’s why it’s been abandoned
2:01:19 What Pearl does there is called a generalization and if you are honest in wanting a patriarchy, you ought to agree with that sentiment. If you don't accept that men are morally superior, then there is no basis for you wanting a patriarchy. That is why Andrew said you maintain feminist principles and reject Christian doctrine as a result. Christianity says men are closer to Christ (virtue), ergo women aren't allowed to lead the religion.
You know this comment section is loaded with simps when you're based comment only has 5 likes
Lauren, Andrew is right you do need to push back and fight against these people not be Kumbaya. They’re not your friends that’s my number one issue that I have with you. I also saw it on Jubilee as well when you were on their show.
She's an embarrassment to conservatives. Pearl at least has fight in her. Chen is nice to the face of her enemy and a reaction video backstabber to her own side.
@@nhardmanFight? If you stuck your knob in Pearl’s face and said “Suck” she’d say “yes please”. Maybe that’s why you support her because she is the only one who would.
Andrew said it once before, “CHRISTIANITY is NOT a religion of “niceness”.
If secular marriage isn't deemed real in Gods eyes, then why does He call us to stay with an unbeliever if you were married before you were saved? Theres other examples of it, too but im confused by that.
Yeah that was ridiculous. So encouraging non Christians to get married is encouraging them to sin? As if they’re not fornicating already?
The Orthodox church also doesnt require remarriage almost ever (some Rocor do), people choose to get remarried in the Orthodox way all the time (me included), but to say God doesnt accept is not really the case. Lots dont even get rebaptized.
It says that because we are to try and win our spouse to the lord, and also the benefit of the children. This was because Paul was dealing with believers who were once nonbelievers, but they came to a loving relationship in Christ. So for this reason nonbelievers who in their previous life, and yet to be born again who married a non believer, were to not break their vow, not covenant which is an important Christian distinction. However, if you are a believer before you are married you are told to be equally yoked. Meaning marry a fellow believer therefore, Andrew is right. We should not advocate, or even compromise on secular marriage.
@Penguins95268771 right but that implies God does indeed see it as a real marriage.... that can be true without insisting that it is God's will or what's best for people (marrying secularally). However we can't control if people believe in God or not tho (or have even heard of Him before marriage) so if they don't believe in God & are married, they would still be seen as married supported by scripture. It would just mean they are found guilty of being unbelievers which means theyre on their way to hell & is a much bigger predicament than which worse sin they are engaged in. & again, I'm not sure that it even is a sin to get married before you're a believer, that doesn't seem scriptural backed to me.
You missed the point, the marriage has to be a sacramental marriage. Not that one may not believe. One could lose that belief. Its the process through the church. Marriage is not a government contract its a sacrament of the church! you freaking protards!
Despite the rough delivery of his message, Andrew is making some valid points. There's something primal that happens listening to a man raise his voice to a lady. You held up, Lauren. I don't mean to paint you as a damsel. Still the verbal pressure was hard to listen to. Took many sessions.
My problem with Pearl is she doesn't live what she preaches. She's a single career driven boss bae who's about to hit the wall. Lauren at least is married has a child and wasn't delusional about her biological clock.
True, but just like Pearl, we are products of our times... Still intellectually admitting we fucked up is what's essential for recovery.
@@Derbauer Yes, but many in the RP space believe you can't recover so do as the feminist do and sleep around when the solution to RP point of contention of divorce in the stats itself.
@@Law19157because people no longer care about their societies if they are feminist crap holes that you have no loyalty to. If you recommend never get married and your society is a crumbling gynocentric nothing of a society why would you care about racking up a body count they would’ve with a separate chad anyways. Remember they aren’t Christians most of the time because they weren’t raised that way/ the very gynocentric church was left behind by most young men righteously. So again why should they play the game your way for a society that doesn’t like them when they can take a much easier way out it’s just human nature.
@@Law19157they aren’t trying to find a solution they literally don’t care about your society they basically look at you as like the Roman senators in 50 BC screaming to the masses about one change in the law when a revolution is happening thinking it will change something the path is laid in stone.
Probably the only thing I've seen you say here that I agree with. But I have a personal hunch that Pearl is a closeted lez.
It’s good you are challenging yourself Lauren. I really enjoyed this conversation- keep up the good work
Came over here from The Crucible... Great show! Subbed
Great, just what Lauren's channel needs more of... Fundamentalist Christians...
@@DEmeant0rbuy a helmet 🪖... Life's tough
Yes, and we need less Godless secularists who got us into this mess
Yeah, I'm a former Chen sub who is just visiting for the AW comments. I unfollowed Lauren when she repeatedly slandered Crowder and sided with his wife. I don't even like Crowder, but Lauren's feminist logic was too much for me to support.
Why???????????
Andrew is just constantly lying. Pearl and Myron absolutely say it is fine for men to be promiscuous. Myron in fact says men must have 50 bodies before they get married. Pearl said she would be ok with a high value husband sleeping with other people.
Considering I did not know who this man was until about 2 weeks ago, everyone I have seen him talk to, who I considered respectable and well-educated... Have been completely shown up, and clowned... By themselves and him. Repeal the 19th.
When people are cornered, their true nature comes out. Andrew knows this all too well. That's why he pushes them and doesn't give them time to come up with excuses. That way, their true nature comes out without pretense.
Speaking of true nature, have you two silly billies seen The Lion King? This Andrew guy is Scar, and yal are his little crew of hyenas. Not a Mufasa amongst you. Inner character and hearts truly incompatible with real kingliness :
@@agathafry4233 Your soft view on kingship worthy of a three-year-old makes me sick. Reality is not a Disney movie. Grow up kid.
@@swagyolo8602 The character of the Lion King is inspired by the biblical stories of Joseph and Moses. Some people find truth in very old stories, and some find truth in newer stories. They’re all teaching the same thing though… who you are and who you can be. Jesus was soft but not weak. And the opposite of a tyrant. Andrew is the exact inverse shadow king version of Jesus. Like Scar, he wants power to enrich himself and enslave others, because he fears them and can’t get what he wants from them unless he’s dominating. A true king works toward freedom for all and desires no power over others. You worship men who are tyrannical on the outside to hide the fact that they’re weak on the inside. What do you think this reflects about you?
@@agathafry4233 Kingship isn't one-dimensional. And governing a nation, which consists of millions of people, in such a manner is untenable. In times of war, the necessity for strategic cunning, even at the cost of sacrificing allies, and the willingness to confront potential threats with ruthless efficiency are indispensable traits for effective governance. Such qualities, which can even be viewed as evil, are essential for a ruler. If you've delved into history rather than religion, you'd comprehend my meaning. Not that I expect you to, but there it is.
This was a tough watch for many reasons, but a great listen. It demanded a lot of concentration, focus and thought but fantastic. Andrew made a lot of great points, definitely going to have to follow this guy and listen. I found it funny though: Andrew: "Let me finish my point." Then constantly interrupts Lauren. 39:37 Interesting stance to take from Andrew when he was arguing semantics mattered earlier.
Lauren much respect to u to debate andrew on these vital topics. Although u lost the debate u were very respectful and seemed open to the information he gave u. It tells me ur a good person whos willing to get better rather then being stubborn and stuck in your ways....im actually a fan now. I will subscribe.
She only lost the debate bc she didn't tell Andrew his orthodox values have no jurisdiction in her world. F his assumptions and speculations on what is SIN. F his assumed authority. F his hypocrisy. Dude, don't be weak.
@@lj7816Yeah, I am Orthodox and this guy is disgusting. His debate style is very crude and his points are ideological (which is fine) but at the expense of the rest of reality.
Great job Lauren love to see people admit when they were wrong
Great talk, love your attitude of learning Lauren.
I am RED PILL TO THE CORE , as a 40 year old men i have seen and experienced the dating/relationship world , the red pill is massively misunderstood , like Andrew explained, its not a life style , its information given from men with experience like me, one exemple of that experience is saving the life of one of my friends who had self deleting thoughts after a mariage , he admitted that if not for me working is mind back , he would be gone, The red pill saves lifes , it realy does.These trad feminists realy just dont get it.
Critics of RP are just rejecting observable truths and are conflating “is” claims with “ought” claims. Someone can be RP aware and also be wholeheartedly Christian. They are not contradictory in any way and many can’t recognize that fact.
Are you single?
Andrew is almost right. Should tone it down from 100 to 80. It would be more effective. Not to change the delivery but to modify it a little. He was at time too aggressive when Lauren was agreeing with him or accepting her mistakes. To the end it was better. No one is perfect but he was too amped up like he was entering a hostile host.
You would be right while toning it up from 20 to 80 in your comment... Andrew Wilson was plainfully rude at times for absolutely no reason. Lauren Chen was polite and of good faith. There was absolutely no reason for him to act that way. He is rude and condescending more often than not.
Andrew is in a very calm tone this episode. You should watch his debates with other people on his channel. You just want Andrew to be nicer.😂
That's andrew on a 20 lol
But the tone though. Tone policing 101.
Yep, pretty good summary.
Ephesians 4:29 29 Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen.
This seemed to benefit her greatly and she has a lot to reflect on. Tough love is a thing. Stop piety signaling.
@@OrthoLou you lot literally have a catchphrase to dismiss everything. The problem with this is that you can be dismissed out of turn, just as easily.
@@spiderknight9893 tell us how you know this verse means what you say it means 😂
@@xAzureXHazex how does it need any interpretation? It’s pretty self explanatory.
@@xAzureXHazex you wrote something here that’s completely nonsensical and thought you scored some sort of point…… I’m actually confused as what you thought you were achieving.
Great to have constructive, challenging conversations. A respectable venture
Much appreciation for the debate. Andrew is not easy on anyone and it's very important to listen to what's been said, not how it is said. Props to you for that. More women need to master this art.
Simps are only agreeing with Lauren because they think she’s hot😂
And she's not even hot. She's got lip fillers and a pound of make up.
Lauren There is a difference between human and god God can forgive but that doesn’t mean that men should !!!! Saved after doesn’t mean saved in this life
I'm beginning to realise most of my problems with Christianity are actually problems with people who claim to be Christians.
@@Patrick-857I've been feeling the same lately.
Lauren, please don't stop being yourself. I didn't have time to listen to this whole video, but i jumped around a bit and noticed some things: Andrew quotes Ephesians 5:24 when he talks about wives relating to their husbands, but Andrew neglected to quote the very next verse that says "Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her" and the following verses are good too. I really think that what Paul is writing about is more Egalitarian than Patriarchal, but I have never been married. I think you, Lauren, being married yourself, know the kind of oneness that Paul is writing about, and that it may sometimes be that the man or the woman "gets their way" (what two people can always fully agree on anything?), but in the end, one vote really would work for those kinds of housholds because the oneness is so real. I think your words and tone and willingness to hear other opinions, all of that makes your viewpoint more appealing than andrew's who is acts like he is only here to define and defend and there is no way he could ever learn anything from anyone. he seems prideful, and I fear he doesn't have anything bad to say about men, or if he does, then he is only speaking the half of his views that will push back the hardest against your views. I would like to see andrew interview and push back against A.T., Sneako, F&F, those kinds of people. near the end of the video, Andrew even scoffs at the idea of being nice. now, I do understand that "niceness" and "kindness" are different, but Andrew didn't say anything about Kindness, or really any fruit of the Spirit. That makes me sad. Lauren, I do think you bear the fruits of the spirit, and against such acts there is no law. Please do not lose heart. You are a critical thinker and thorough analyzer. I wish more people were like you. God bless you and yours
Wives, obey your husbands. Husbands love your wife as Christ loves the church. If you asked Andrew, He would say he is willing to and is sacrificing to provide for his family and he is willing to kill for and die protecting his family.
@kevinezema6159 I'm sure there are a few good things that Andrew does, and maybe his biggest crime, besides the infidelity, is that he didn't convince me personally that he has a good character; and who am I anyway? I'm nobody. but when a commenter gently commented that his delivery could be worked on, he denied that he needs to work on his delivery or give up any addiction. True sacrifice would be quitting smoking so as to prolong his life so that he can provide for his family longer. I hope and trust that he doesn't talk in that annoyed tone to his kids or wives. He certainly is firm and not shaken in his beliefs, but that is no virture if his beliefs are only based on out of context bible verses.
@@sa-rq2xj We are both right on this.
@@kevinezema6159 We are both right? I'm afraid not. Smoking actively shortens the smoker's life. That person is not sacrificing their life wholly to their family, but partially to the cigarette. We do see Andrew smoking. Therefore, we know that Andrew is not wholly sacrificing his life to his family. Now, you say: "If you asked Andrew, He would say he is willing to and is sacrificing to provide for his family and he is willing to ... die protecting his family." If what you say is the truth, then Andrew is a liar. It would be better for Andrew to admit his selfishness, and either live with it in clear conscience, or sacrifice smoking. The mere fact that Andrew dare not justify his smoking is because it is unjustifiable. 2:15:25
Andrew for the win. I like Lauren but she doesn't understand her own ideology let alone somebody else's. I know most of her followers will disagree because Andrew's tone or feelings...
This woman has a lot more patience than most
I guess Jesus was a consequentialist because he said he was the only way to heaven and the consequence of not believing in him and repenting of sins would be ending up in the lake of fire for eternity. Nobody can understand the need, necessity of Jesus Christ & his work on the cross unless they understand there's heaven and a hell and the consequences of sin which leads to hell. The 10 Commandments is supposed to reveal the sin in people so as a consequence they realize their need for a savior.
Acknowledging that consequences exist doesn't make you a consequentialist; that's idiotic.
@@mybrainhurts3727 You can tell that to Andrew who argued it that way.
@@Law19157 Enjoy being an ignoramus who can't spend thirty minutes researching what consequentialism is.😂
@@mybrainhurts3727 When you want to argue it like ignoramus, its your iq in question.
@@Law19157 Empty words.
Watched because of Andrew. Great talk
Good debate. It's always good to be tested, which I think Lauren was more than Andrew was in this case. Andrew made me think more on a few things too.
You don't have much of a brain if Walmart Andrew Tate is making you think.
@@AWDTH1111 Get a load of this rick and morty viewer.
This is long and sorry if its disrespectful to Lauren that is not at all my aim, but here's this "novel" for anyone who might read it lol, I just had to get it off my chest. Andrew Wilson upsets me on a level that makes it difficult for me to engage with. because he keeps wanting to use God to support his claims but he seems very biblically illiterate or purposefully neglectful and is spouting destructive mind frames. Jesus told us about how there would be false Christians but we are not to determine who is and isn't, We are to call out false teachers, and judge them by their fruit, what fruit is God talking about, I'll list below. with some other relevant versus. Mathew 21:31 ” Jesus said to them, “Truly I say to you that the tax collectors and prostitutes will get into the kingdom of God before you. a parable about those in the kingdom and those who pretend to be or are tricked thinking they are Mat 13:28- “‘An enemy has done this!’ the farmer exclaimed. “‘Should we pull out the weeds?’ they asked. “‘No,’ he replied, ‘you’ll uproot the wheat if you do. Let both grow together until the harvest. Then I will tell the harvesters to sort out the weeds, tie them into bundles, and burn them, and to put the wheat in the barn.’” Luk 5:31- Jesus answered them, “Healthy people don’t need a doctor-sick people do. I have come to call not those who think they are righteous, but those who know they are sinners and need to repent.” So lets judge by fruit, I will list below what the fruit of the Spirit is, and what the WORKS of the flesh are. you tell me, what attributes Andrew seems to exhibit more Gal 5:22 But the Holy Spirit produces this kind of fruit in our lives: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. There is no law against these things! Gal 5:19 When you follow the desires of your sinful nature, the results are very clear: sexual immorality, impurity, lustful pleasures, idolatry, sorcery, hostility, quarreling, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish ambition, dissension, division, envy, drunkenness, wild parties, and other sins like these. Let me tell you again, as I have before, that anyone living that sort of life will not inherit the Kingdom of God. now when it comes to forgiving Christians who fall into sin (WHICH IS DIFFERENT THEN THOSE who are not believers that repent and turn to God.) 2Co 2:7 So that contrariwise ye ought rather to forgive him, and comfort him, lest perhaps such a one should be swallowed up with overmuch sorrow. So if we are to forgive repentant brothers and sisters who fell back in sin, right away as to not cause them destructive grief, how much more are we too celebrate sinners who give their life to God. and if God remembers their sins no more, then who the heck are we to keep bringing past sins up, and making others account for them Heb 8:12 “FOR I WILL BE MERCIFUL TO THEIR INIQUITIES, AND I WILL REMEMBER THEIR SINS NO MORE.” Psa 103:12 As far as the east is from the west, So far has He removed our transgressions from us. Isa 38:17 Indeed it was for my own peace That I had great bitterness; But You have lovingly delivered my soul from the pit of corruption, For You have cast all my sins behind Your back. Isa 43:25 “I, even I, am He who blots out your transgressions for My own sake; And I will not remember your sins. Mic 7:19 He will again have compassion on us, And will subdue our iniquities. You will cast all our sins Into the depths of the sea. But the most important part that Andrew misses, is that he is placing himself in the seat of judge, and the problem with that, is Rom 2:1- You may think you can condemn such people, but you are just as bad, and you have no excuse! When you say they are wicked and should be punished, you are condemning yourself, for you who judge others do these very same things. And we know that God, in his justice, will punish anyone who does such things. Since you judge others for doing these things, why do you think you can avoid God’s judgment when you do the same things? Don’t you see how wonderfully kind, tolerant, and patient God is with you? Does this mean nothing to you? Can’t you see that his kindness is intended to turn you from your sin? Jas 4:11- Do not speak evil of one another, brethren. He who speaks evil of a brother and judges his brother, speaks evil of the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge. There is one Lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy. Who are you to judge another?
Please tell us where he said Narla be punished? It is irresponsible to platform Narla so soon. That's all he's saying. Remorse, Penance, fruits of the spirit in charity and humility.
@@kevinezema6159 who is Narla?
One other thing Lauren was wrong on (that Andrew did not address) was about high IQ partner= lower divorce. Thats actually wrong; women with higher than average IQ are actually LESS likely to get married and MORE likely to initiate divorce against her husband. Give her a college degree and the odds of her being the one to file for divorce reaches 90%. Then throw in that most high IQ women want to do things that make them worse wives and less oikely to submit. I'm a man with a 137 IQ and i would NEVER get legally married under the current conditions. And if i did get married, i certainly would not want my wife to be high IQ. Around 95-115 would be ideal. I want a young, somewhat attractive , broke, average IQ feminine chick fil a worker WAY more than a brilliant, rich, boss babe, especially if shes 30 + which is the average age women are getting married at now. Also no hymen= no diamond
well im assuming you want some kind of iq cuz i doubt that you would want to date a total airhead that sets the kitchen on fire due to her stupidity right?
Does the high IQ itself cause the problems or is high IQ correlated with other things that actually cause the marriage issues? One example I could think of is that high IQ is more likely to be highly educated, which means more likely to have been subjected to feminist indoctrination in college. I'm not claiming one way or the other. I don't know.
@@cmdrfunk ppl with higher education are also more likely to question things as college teaches you how to think not what to think. Majority of jobs only care about teaching you what to think cuz they will fire you for thinking differently
@@cmdrfunkThe problem is that female lower nature has been weaponised and enforced, and high IQ women are better able to quickly and ruthlessly take advantage of this to gain power. High IQ women deploy every trick in the hoebag handbook 100 times faster and more ruthlessly than average women.
She doesn't understand the dynamics at play. I think what she may have read is that first marriages between two college educated people statistically last longer. If this is true it's because the wife has his balls in a jar and he is too afraid of divorce so lives in misery. I've seen my old friends reduced to shells of men.
Great episode! 🔥
32:11 If you see a fat person in the gym, be happy and proud for them that they made at least that first step. Sure, you can simultaneously have your doubts that they will make the next step or bet that they’ll go home and eat a sleeve of Oreos, but that doesn’t change the fact they made the first step. Same logic.
Respect for debating Andrew in good faith
With Andrew's views that it's sinful for non-Christians to marry and/or procreate, I think Lauren should inquire on his views on Separation of Church and State.
His view comes from Orthodox Christianity and he said it in the video. The separation of church and state is a made up concept from the enlightenment.
@@BM_100 him and people like him are traitors to America, go move to the middle east if you want to live under a theocratic dictatorship. Leave America for real Americans....
Great job Lauren! Thank you for hosting this debate on your channel. You handled the debate with poise, integrity, and courage. My respect for you has doubled because you clearly demonstrate intelligence and a willingness to learn and accept logical positions. I fully agree that Big Con cannot be trusted. They silence and gag their own people, making them hypocrites. Andrew did a phenomenal job explaining his points and perspectives clearly. Christians should not solely focus on being nice; I am starting to believe that the Church cares more about being nice rather than ensuring it represents Christ and His word. Andrew is the best debater I've ever seen and is not afraid to hold anyone accountable. This debate was excellent, and we should promote more discussions like these. We need more speech, not less!
Andrew Wilson is way too hostile. Nobody is perfect but Lauren isn't arguing in bad faith and doesn't deserve to be attacked the way Andrew goes on the offensive.
Lauren was way to nice for this debate.
agree, shes graceful.
@@sampahpribadi good way to put it
or maybe she had to be nice after Andrew exposed her contradiction. She only became defensive after she couldn't give a full-proof solution to redpill guys which made her nervous
@@Patrick_OBrien Why do you feminist always hide behind "She was too nice and he's just a big meanie pants"?
@@johneaston8314 wouldn't know. I'm not a feminist. Keep walking bud
Thank you for actually engaging honestly. Andrew can come off aggressively because he matches energy and then obviously those clips go viral but this seemed like a productive discussion and was great to watch.
I agree with Andrew on a lot of his points but also find him an insufferable jerk.
This
Exactly. I finally had to tell KZhead to stop recommending me his content. You can be a firm and incisive defender of the faith without being an a-hole. He gets a pass on his behavior because too many Christians just want to punch (metaphorically) the people they disagree with. Andrew gives them red meat.
Being nice got us in this mess.
He goes out of his way to be hostile and disagreeable
Are you the tone police.
Recognizing that people of differing values can value certain things but not others doesn't make you "someone who invites imposters/impersonators", to the same degree in which one can point out the Bootleggers wanted alcohol sales illegal on Sundays just like the Baptists, though admittedly that analogy doesn't work perfectly for the point I'm trying to make. I'm probably in between a fifth or quarter of the way into this and I can say the major difference here is that this is a conversation between an idealogue and someone who is much more humble to admitting they do not know everything. While I'm not disagreeing with everything Andrew is saying, he will be the key to the downfall of the conservative movement. Opening people to differing ideologies if they are not familiar to ours is how you bring them in. This backwards idea of force will not work in a modern day society, to the same degree that you cannot force someone to believe or worship God. I've been disagreeing with Lauren with a lot of takes nowadays, but a lot of the reservations she holds for the red-pill movement are well justified, and describing her video on Nala the way Andrew did is just dishonest. Again, not to say there aren't any legitimate criticisms of Nala or Lauren's coverage of her (mostly regarding Nala getting rid of the money earned from such a sinful career), but describing it as a matter of just wOrShIpPiNg her is dishonest, or purely delusional. And I say this as someone who agrees with the point that we shouldn't be Holy just on display and for approval of those around us, plenty of the points Andrew made regarding the sincerity of of one's faith being practiced in private are absolutely true. The problem with Andrew's perspective as I see it right now is that it gives no reason for anyone to invest in their spirituality and to a faith in God if they are not a believer. I hope Nala sticks to her faith and learns to be a good Christian in time, because the reasonable concern is that this is just a publicity stunt for her (like Brittany Spears, who I've heard used conversion as a method to try to garner more attention), but is it really a bad thing for us as a society to encourage that development?
I also understand that people fall into the trap of "lack of loyalty for God but trying to live in a perceivably honest and righteous life" as to why they'd believe if there is a God they'd go to heaven, but at the same time the way Andrew talks is if Christianity is a club with special protocol and practices that if anybody does outside the club is necessarily harmful to their existence. Considering his debate with Matt Dillahunty (or at least what happened before Matt rage quit), I would've figured Andrew would be able to recognize the value of praxis and winning people over by showing the effectiveness and value of Christian structure and ethics, but I suppose he isn't. I guess what I'm trying to say is I have a hard time believing he cares about actually spreading the word in any effective way. Not to say compromise for the sake of effectiveness is what I'm saying is okay, I'm NOT, but he seems to think that bringing the message in the most blunt manner possible is the only way, and to that I strongly disagree. You won't win a homosexual over by telling him "God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve".
And lastly, no, Lauren is not a covert feminist. The most disagreeable opinions Andrew gave are his overly simplistic beliefs on Feminism. Yeah, he talks to plenty of modern day feminist, but he clearly is oblivious to its foundational beliefs, funnily enough to probably a similar degree as many of the third/fourth wave feminists he argued with.
@@Marshall_Francieshe would literally eliminate the vote for women if he was king and you say he’s like a third wave feminist.
It's YOU who is dangerous to conservatism. Has your way been working the past few decades?
@@Jaco059 nowhere in my replies did I say he was acting like a third wave feminist. I said he very clearly doesn't understand the foundations of feminism, did you even read through my messages?
Is there a path to turn society around if there's no opened door for people? I'm genuinely asking, I'm fairly new to all this. When I watch stuff like this it makes me kind of afraid to try and join a church. It's something I've been trying to learn more about, but then I see this and kind of think to myself maybe I'm not welcome there? I don't know, society is so far gone now, and so many people are looking for a path back, but would they only be entering into a situation of permanent shame and looked down on forever by their peers?
Find a church where the pastor preaches from the Bible. The people there will be loving and guide you on your journey. They aren’t all like this guy.
Andrew is not attempting to convert people with this kind of display. He’s trying to wake those up who already profess to believe in the word of God. He’s pointing out that the message has been corrupted my modern day, feminism and politics. If you watch many of his other streams or videos, he’s actually a very nice and reasonable man, He just doesn’t put up with the Fuckery of lackluster Christians, or degenerates who want to move our society away from Christian values
If you repent from your sins, and believe on Jesus Christ you'll be saved (Acts 3:19-21). Afterwards you have to strive to live righteously as habitual sin can invalidate one's salvation (Philippians 2:12-13) but once you believe and repent you're forgiven (John 8:3-11), (Roman 6:23), (Matthew 9:5-6) and your sinful history is wiped clean not to be remembered again by God (Hebrews 8:12). Jesus is the only person who is able to do this as he was the one who paid the penalty of sin which is death on your behalf so you don't have to Romans 6:23 John 1:29. Everyone is guilty of sin and so every one needs Jesus Christ Romans 3:23. This is the spiritual side of things. I would recommend a Pentecostal church, or Evangelical church, or non denominational, or Assemblies of God, or Word of Faith Church, or a Victory Outreach church. I would stay away from Catholicism, the Orthodox Church, Mormons, the Universal Church and Jehovah's witnesses. Maybe Baptist but not really. What these guys are arguing over though are preferences in relationships which is a different conversation. If you're single after converting to Christianity you can still find a match though they may have a similar background to yours maybe and if that's an issue then its the problem Andrew and them have gripe over. In my personal Christian circle I've witnessed a single mom who's marriage to a man who had no children previously going on for 20 + years and still counting with 3 new kids. I've also seen a single a mom marry a man with no kids where they ended up divorced. I've also seen blended families. For the sake of argument a single mom can't expect a man with no kids deliberately rejecting single men who do have kids which is what Pearl and Andrew are critical over. Persons have to be realistic about their expectations. The issue is false converts taking advantage of people claiming to be Christian but not really living the Christian life and not being the type of spouse they're instructed to be in the bible but being super picky, expecting the perfect spouse and exhibiting narcissism, arrogance and selfish behaviors and attitudes. These are Christians in name only. Really a successful marriage means understanding whom' you're compatible with and whom you're not, it means having realistic expectations, it means understanding from your side what you need to do in the marriage for the marriage to survive, you have to put in the work and not just be a taker giving nothing back, you have to think about how you can make your spouses life easier and peaceful, how you can be an asset and not a liability, it means working out mental and emotional issues prior to getting married so those problems don't bleed into the marriage to harm the marriage, it means asking the right questions and knowing what you want so both you and your potential spouse are on the same page, it means no longer living the sinful life of your past and being genuine in your Christian conversion. Marriage is serious business, people may think they can get away with divorce over nonsensical things on earth but they can't get away with it spiritually as its considered adultery. People thinking they can get married then get divorced and ask for forgiveness from God later is not how that works as that would be considered deliberate sin. Better to remain single than to deal the consequences of broken vows or take it serious and choose your spouse very carefully and marry to stay married.
Andrew is only like this in debates... Any church will welcome you with open arms, just look out for progressive ones.
@@OrthoLou thank you 😊
I like Lauren, I'm an atheist, don't want a Christian theocratic state, but it's clear that Andrew is just running circles around Lauren. It's really hard to argue that Andrew was wrong in any of his points.
Great on Lauren for showing courage and humility. I’m a huge fan of both these people. Lauren is in my opinion a feminist along with a massive portion of the conservative media female influencers. I’m glad it’s being highlighted
We just witnessed a major deprogramming. More sessions are needed, but progress was made here.
Lauren needs to bone up on her understanding of theology in relation to the authority claims made by RCs and Orthodox. There are succinct answers to the claims he was making regarding sola scriptura.
What a great conversation.
Props to Andrew for trying to build a church in the public sphere. With this pace it would take a millenia or two. Hopefully, we are on the same page about pushing lifespan-prolonging technology
I love it when decent, normal, liberty-minded people have Andrew on having no idea how brutally unhinged he is.
You’re a loser bot.
2:01:03 LMAO Holy steelmen, Batman! He literally put forth another statement entirely.
That was annoying, he's showing the same partiality he's accusing others of doing.
To the people who police Andrew"s tone, you are the reason we have the society we do, we need to enforce the negative consequences of bad behavior and speaking fankly is the first step.
You’re right. No need to attack the tone. Attack the argument. He basically started with a strawman and made it clear that he would not abandon it. To the extent that Feminism seeks to place value on the insights and opinions of women, this is not a bad thing. If it were, Lauren would not have a show. Andrew is clearly threatened by the idea of letting the other 50% of society have a voice in how it is structured. This makes him appear weak. His “tone” is merely an attempt to disguise the weakness of his position. It didn’t work.
@@chaosinfusion8127 Hey never said women should not be allowed to have opinions, clearly you have created the strawman here.
We all needs to be humbled sometimes . Andrew made very good points,but great video
Lauren needs to think through her acceptance of his position on degenerate marriages. She was taken by surprise on that one, he is using serious reductionism to justify that argument
Thank you for doing this Lauren. Andrew is a great debater but I wish he was a little bit nicer to you. That’s just because I’m a father of a daughter lol. But he makes sound points and so do you! It’s great hearing yalls opinions
Wouldn't you give your daughter tough love like this if she were in serious error?
Do you think your daughter shouldn't be allowed to vote? Do you think your daughters husband should have total control over her?
This is the first time Ive ever heard a Christian suggest it is sinful for non-Christians to marry.
Because he's using Christianity as a cover for his authoritarianism.
True, I've never heard that it's a sin to get married.
Marriage is a sacrament in the Christian world and you need step to finalize it, secular marriage is against those step and by definition not a real marriage Especially when the authority becomes the government and not God
That's because it's an unscriptural and bogus argument. There's a reason nobody in the history of the church (that I'm aware of) has ever seriously argued this.
@@mrpsthoughtsonthings And it brings up the question, if I, as a Christian, get married in a courthouse instead of a church, have I sinned/am living in sin? Would that make my marriage not legitimate? I have a hard time swallowing that idea lol.