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Called the “Roadie Wrap” or “Over Under” method. Works best in longer braided ropes, cords, or hoses. Make sure to straighten out the old kinks before doing this!
Too much like work. I get paid by the hour.
Yep. "roadie wrap" makes so much sense since I was taught it when doing setting up events at my college 14 years ago.
Just don't pick up the wrong end or you'll get overhand knots in half the loops.
Gosh, I learn so much from Oscar Isaac.
Once you get used to it, it’s just as fast and you don’t even know you’re doing it.
As someone who works in production, from all the audio, video, power and data cables I've ran and picked up, I can do this very fast. Oh and it works perfectly 👌
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For ham radio operators, this also works if you have a long length of coax, as long as it isn't hard-line.
You can put a lot of tools and other garage items on your garage wall. This rolling up with the knot is pretty dam good. 👍
So the underhand twist is the magic?
@@lm4349 yep. According to the cable/rope/etc, it is still in a straight line. Going the same direction actually coils it. Alternating the wraps allows the cable to remain decompressed. When you toss a cable wrapped this way, as long as it has been taken care of and isn't a ridiculously stiff cable, it will lay out as straight as you throw it. But be warned; if you accidentally throw one end of it through the coils (or as we say, if you threw it through its asshole), you're gonna have a lot of spaghetti to unravel when you toss it.
That stopper knot will do wonders for those extension chords and water hoses lol
Both e-cords and hoses have built in stopper. No knot required.
Okay but why would you be doing this with a water hose, this is for ropes
@@terranova_camaybe you want to coil your water hose? Hoses need storing. Mind you hoses are quite unwieldy, it might be difficult to achieve.
Definitely don’t do that with an extension cord, that might damage the wires inside. Even the bight loop at the end looks like too much stress honestly…
bight loop is fine. the amount of time it saves doing it this way is worth the cost of replacing anyway. Done cords like that that last years and years. The amount of minutes saved not fighting with cords is way worth it. @@lxcky21
The simple things that should be taught in life that will always amaze us.
Thanks for the great tip, I'm 56 years old and never knew that one and I have rolled up thousands of cords, but will definitely be using this from now on! Thank you
Really? I find this hard to believe since I'm 37 and everyone I know has known this since kids, even a lot of girls. If I'm wrong, though, good on ya for still being willing to learn stuff
Me too 😅
I’m 96 and I also never knew this existed! See, you’re never too old to learn.
I’m 41, my grandfather showed me how to roll up a lead when I was 7
@@copperwopper6429 yeah your wrong. I know and do this but the people on my crew no matter how many times I bitch about it and show them they won't do it. Gets on every nerve in my body!
It's called a memory wrap. It's used to coil up multiple channel, audio/video cables so that it doesn't break the shielding. I was in the theatrical union, and yes, I started as a Roady.
It never fails to fascinate me to think about how people came up with such good solutions to every day work tools.
It happens when you work with them every day 😊
It never fails to fascinate me that this isn't intuitively obvious to people.
Yet they ignore actual real life scenarios where YOU Don't TIE KNOTS IN HOSES OR ELECTRICAL CORDS . Just pointing out how naive ppl have become.
Circle, Underhand Twist is such an easy way to remember it. Thanks for that!
It also helps to have short extension cords like those. Back when I worked construction we used to say, "hell with a parachute, give me an extension cord" because it's *going to* get hung up on something no matter where you are.
I'm in construction and this is how I do my my cords. Hell I 100' 6 and 8 gauge cords it works fine. This isn't about it getting hung up on something after it's uncoiled this is about getting it uncoiled without it being a damn birds nest you have to spend 30 minutes untangling before you can use it. Just can't get my help to do it no matter how many damn times I show them. Pisses me off.
@@charlessarver8350 That's basically how I've been winding extension cords for 30+ years, really doesn't seem to matter where or what is going on, if I pull the cord out straight, no kinks, no tangles, it'll still get hung up on something, some idiot will part the forklift front wheel on it, it's just gonna happen.
If you wrapped your cords right they wouldn't get hung up ever.
@@LordDeuce-ul7my right, because job sites are clear, there's never any rebar or vehicles parked in the path, never any trees or bushes or 2x4s or anything else for them to get hung up on... Seriously, you guys have never worked construction if that's your takeaway.
@@glenwaldrop8166 I've been working with guys that always get their cords all tangled and rats nest. Mostly because they don't roll them up right to get them trained right. After that it's just skill and knowledge of how to run your cords and experience managing cords and air hoses without having slow downs because of tangles. It's extra work extra time makes it a pain in the ass. It happens sometimes but you try to minimize anything like that unnecessarily slowing you down and causing you to have to exert more effort than necessary. I grew up working with my dad so he taught me a shitload about managing cords on a job site as a kid then I worked my whole life in construction. I never have issues with cords if I'm the only one using them
all the roadies and stage techs coming out now LOL
Former A/V guy here. Was just going to comment the same!
Not just the roadies and stage techs. Musician here. I have more than one method of securing cables, and reasons why I use each method. Of course one of those methods is the 'roadie wrap' aka over/under.
@@jazzcatt There's situations where under/over won't as well, such as lavaliere mics. Those it's best to wind up carefully by hand to avoid any twists at all.
Not just techs! Our front ensemble had to coil the cords like this or we’d get in trouble. And now I can’t wrap a cord the same way ever again.
Aye, ol' stage tech here lol
I've wrapped literal miles of electrical cable for large music festivals. Over/under is the way. Don't be afraid to repeat an over/over or an under/under if it lays flatter. The best thing is to "train" new cables in over/under. cables have "memory" and will learn to lay however you wrap them.
Don't over under continously if you ever think about putting the cable on a drum though. They are always over over. That is why continuing with over over is just as good as over und if both ends are free. It entirely depends on the situation
A great way to help with cable "memory" is to bundle it in the way you want it to be, then leave it outside on a warm/hot day (like 70-80° you don't want it too hot and ruin your cable) bundled in the manner you like. Then you un-bundle it and re-bundle it and repeat the process 2-3 times. At the end of a work day when you store it, you'll find its "memory" will default to the way you bundled it, making future wraps much easier.
The difference between using a drum and manually wrapping a cable over-over, is that a drum rolls the cable up whereas by hand we impart a twist with each turn. When wrapping over-over by hand, the twist is cumulative and eventually turns into a tangle. Novices wrapping cable over-over spend most of their time moving the tangle away from the wrap (unwittingly increasing the amount of twist in the section they'll come to next). Over-under twists back and forth, so it doesn't build up.
This is interesting because this is not true when it comes to rope. As a fisherman you would NEVER do this with a line. Odd.
@@TG1_618 This is true. Is it 1/2 rotation per loop of coil?
Was taught this method volunteering in a fan convention in Idaho back in 2008. I've used it for all my cables and ropes ever sense! I preach it to everyone!
As a musician who only learned to do this as an adult, I agree wholeheartedly that EVERYONE should learn how to do this. SO MUCH LESS TANGLING IN MY LIFE!!!
Was taught this in reference to audio and video cables for studios 22 years ago. Still use it every time.
Learned it when I started playing music and we had to pack our own shit in and out of venues. Now even my phone chargers get the over-under haha.
I was taught it but I don't think I did it right, because cables still got tangled. They got more tangled than if I'd just looped them.
The man that taught me said to do it only with the audio cables, since HDMI cables can be fragile twisting like that could break the internal wiring in them
@@Mat69420k you might have that backwards, doing it like this avoids twisting the wire and is actually better for the cable Optical fibre is also rolled up like this (or a variation) because it would break immediately otherwise
Aye, there are my people! Fellow audio and sound people know this is a must! 😁
Flat power cords always, inevitably were twisted in an unsightly way when deployed, even when care was taken in coiling, until I learned to use this method. It ensures that the cord will pay out with no twist to it, very handy when throwing a coil. It is mechanically no different from flaking down extra line onto a boat deck or a dock with figure of eight loops, so to keep them from kinking and tangling.
I don't see flat cords anymore. I'm glad to see them go since they were the worst to handle.
@@joewoodchuck3824Maybe they got too flat and your eyes are too old to see them now. That happens to everyone.
Faking. Not Flaking.
@@ETC_Rohaly_USCG, no, no. Flaking.
That "Quick release" is made from a Clove Hitch with an overhand safety. Just in case you're wondering
Thank you. I was looking to see if anyone would mention the clove hitch. I learned that knot while installing a theatre in a high school. Never forgot it, after 20+ years.
We weren't. Don't be that guy.
This is a classic stagehand tactic. Good to see it moving around to mainstream. More people should share their lil hacks like this. Time saving is life giving. Gracias team! Gracias a ti!
This has been around since before power leads were even thunk of .
This method works great and allows the cables to lay flat and twist free. However, there is one caveat to it and end management is very important when using this technic. If either end is accidentally allowed to fall through the center of the coil, you will end up with a row of knots when you uncoil it. I only use it for long XLR or power cables with Male/Female ends, and I mitigate the problem by joining the ends over the top of the coil. This make it impossible for an end to go through the center of the coil.
Yep, been there done that and you make a very valid point. Now 71 and haven't been on the road for 35 years, but still use over/under on all my cables and hoses. Figure 8 works well on the big stuff, but prefer a hose reel. Connecting the M/F ends of XLRs are also the best way to keep the M pins protected and F holes clean. Otherwise, I prefer using velcro cable ties on one end of extension cables, instead of the demonstrated knot. BR 😎
You articulated that so welll
I do the exact same thing. I knew I’d find some Audio boys in here.
This is only good if you don't mind the fact that fuckboy int he video clearly demonstrates how to crimp the hell out of the end of the cord and the multiple close loops couldn't be replicated on an electrical cord without damage to being with.
So then if you for what ever reason wanted knots along a rope you could do this intentionally, I'm just curious would the spacing between the knots be pretty even or would all the knots end up in one end?
I used to work in the engineering (maintenance) department of a children's hospital, and one of the old guys there used to do it this way, and he taught the rest of us. It certainly was a great way to do it!
It really tells you how much being an engineer(maintenance) department of a children's hospital matters in this types of situations Thank God we couldn't really live without an engineer (maintenance) department of a children's hospital
@@skydivenext superb
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Time is 🤑💰 money...When your working by the hour take your time.... Ain't it just ain't it 😜 lols......
@@jeanlawson9133 Taking the time when putting a tool away makes a lot more sense than packing things up quickly then having them tangled up/not working when you need them in a hurry. Some outside contractor has been hired to install some new lights outside the patient rooms for the nurse call system. They have the greenest apprentice you’ve ever seen doing the work, and he shuts off the correct breaker but then cuts the wrong line in the ceiling. Now you’ve lost power to a critical patient monitor that has a battery backup, but it’s only going to last a few minutes. You (the guy from engineering) run and grab an extension cord so you can pull power from another room… but as you start to deploy it, it’s a tangled mess. Now you’re red-faced and sweating as you try to tell the charge nurse you’ll have it fixed up in just a minute while all the staff in the area as well as the patient’s family are huddled around watching you feverishly try to untangle this cord enough that it will reach where you need it to go. Of course every day as a hospital engineer isn’t that dramatic, but taking a bit of time to care for your tools can be a wise choice.
This is a game changer. I’m a OR nurse Ang we have a lot of medical equipment and surgical stuff that always keep on getting tangled. So frustrating. Now my life is much easier. Thank you and keep up posting more short videos. I’m learning so much even though I’m not an outdoor handy person. 🤩👍
I wouldn't recommend the final step for those.
Yeah on cables don't do any tight bends it damages or breaks them. Say no less than 2-3" diameter
Learnt the over under when decades ago,,, now learning that stopper knot will be the game changer. Tx,,, much appreciated. Blessings
We used to do this doing roadie work as a sound technician, it means you won't damage the inner wires by twisting
While over under is a good way to coil electrical and signal cables, one should never tie said cables with a "quick release" or with a knot. Also, one should never pull or work kinks out of electrical/signal cables. It will break the copper or fiber inside the cable. To remove kinks one should either let the cable hang down from a height or lay the cable out on the ground as straight as possible letting the cable form a new "physical memory." Note: once an electrical/signal cable has formed kinks it is almost impossible to get it to forget that physical memory as it is caused by the copper strands inside being twisted around eachother.
Yeah, I don’t stick with either, I go with how the cable wants to go on each individual coil. If it wants to lay with a regular coil, it gets a regular coil. If it wants to go over under, it gets over under. Or better yet, if it’s sensitive and/or expensive like fiber or triax, wind it up on a spool.
@@Brocuzgodlocdunfamdogson That is best for the cable for sure. I do hate when a cable spool gets messed up though. It turns into a nightmare.
@@ShouldHaveBeen lol yeah, if the spool doesn’t look like it just came from the factory my OCD starts acting up.
Yeah, that quick release and knot are good for rope, but I would have been fired a long time ago if I had ever done that to cable. It's a cable killer. I wish the video hadn't ended this way, so many people aren't going to read the comments.
Thank you been telling people for years this. Everyone I’ve told who has a so called different method just rolls their eyes! This is the best way by far!
I learned this skill a quite a few years ago while working with some hard hat divers and their ropes and hoses. I have used it for all my ropes and hoses at home and on the job. It works very well. Thanks for sharing this with everyone.
I also found with extension cords and hoses, leaving them lay outside for a few minutes on a hot day goes a long way with training them to do this easily when you roll it up next time.
And using a 20 ft or shorter helps too
Leaving them laying outside forever and boom always deployed
@@supremelordoftheuniverse5449 human innovation at its finest
Do this in Arizona and you may find it's now like this permanently
When I do this and then throw the extension cord, I get about a knot every 2 ft. Am I doing something wrong
It keeps an extension cord from getting a twist in it too. The extra minute cleaning up before you leave a job site will save you time and a headache tying to untangle your cord. Make sure to shake out your cord to get any twists out of the cord.
Your extension cord will only last about half of their regular lifespan if you start tying knots them. The underhand twist is useful but when used for power cords it's with the reasoning that it keeps the cord knot free and prevents the wires inside from breaking, which they will do if one is continually tying it in knots. The same goes for hosepipe, start knotting it and it will develop kinks and leaks. My advice is to use the underhand twist and use a piece of rope that you can keep attached to your cords or hoses to make your handle.
My advice is learn an electricians knot and stop watching TikTok. This was solved decades ago.
@@ajl6854What is that? An electricians knot?
@@markharmon4963 might be called something else but it’s the term I’ve always heard. It’s a way to braid wires for storage and it’s very easy to unwrap them by pulling the end out. My dad taught it to me when we’d do yard work. We never coiled any extension cords.
electricians braid*@@ajl6854
This sounds amazing. I will instantly forget it.
I am very particular about my extension cords and have been using this technique for years without realizing it. I was only doing it to keep the perfect shape and size of the roll and didn't realize I could throw it or just pull the end to pay it out, thanks you made my life a little easier, lol.
You do not want to be tieing tight knots into electrical cables: you risk exceeding the minimum bend radius and causing damage to the conductors, which increases the resistance and causing excessive heating. Keep knots loose.
It'd called tensile strength cords. Most durable cords rated for outdoor use are fine. Quit being a baby, and use those knots
minimum bend radius. and yes we typically use velcro straps to keep them together. some tour companies use color coded electrical tape to keep the cables neatly wrapped. a knot tied on the cable itself will mean its NFG and needs repair thats how av production pros do it. you outdoors survival guys do your cables however you want
Extension cables have a plug at the end. That's the "stopper" you would use rather than tying an extra knot.
@@JonFromWA you don't pay for anything you work with, do you?
Better to use the mountain climbers technique, then you can just toss the chord around in your work truck.
For heavy duty cables, form the coil on the ground between your legs at your feet. Pull the cable towards you and lay the coils down as you pull. It makes coiling 100 feet runs of 4/0 feeder cable a breeze. Definitely beats carrying 80lbs of copper in one arm all day.
And for 2/0, we just lay a figure 8. It's not as compact, but it's easier to do with extremely heavy+stiff cables, & still pays out without twists in the line.
@@prophetzarquon1922 we also use 8s whenever we have power running through a large coil. Electromagnetism and what not.
@@Brocuzgodlocdunfamdogson _Shhh, it's more fun to let the new folk figure it out first-hand!_
Step 1: Look for the nearest apprentice….
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I love these wraps knots and ties! So useful!
Been doing the alternation like that for years ever since I was taught! Learned it from someone who’s worked with audio cables. I do it with headphones, mice, and all. Nicer on the cable.
It's called " over and under " . Being an industrial sandblaster and painter in the painters union you learn to coil everything in this manner. I've taught this method to countless numbers of people. Once you learn how you'll do it this way the rest of your life.
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No it's called a half hitch.
Excellent advice Thank you
I learned something similar accidentally one day last year when I had to coil an extension cord daily. I ended up coiling it between my hand and elbow, but in a figure 8, I think, which added the twist. I was very pleased when I discovered that the next time I unraveled it, it didn't tangle.
The very best bushcraft videos out there. Very clear instructions on knot tying, by a real cool dude!
My understanding is that with cables/power cords, the "over/under" looping method also helps preserve the internal wires. If you just do a standard wrap, the wires don't want to uncoil, causing them to kink and bend when you unravel it, which can damage the wires and eventually cause failure after repeated uses, even though you can't see the damage externally.
I learned over-under as a stagehand and they said something like the cord has a "memory" or some shit. But wire that has always been properly coiled is noticeably different when compared to one that hasn't been. With electricity being a huge factor in our everyday lives, you'd think that keeping cords in good condition would be more important
@@BabaYaga214 Steve Mould coincidentally dropped a video entirely about folding wire into circles: kzhead.info/sun/YKx9g7R7hIyEqqs/bejne.html He's specifically working with closed loops, rather than open-ended cords, but he very effectively demonstrates how twists can be potentially introduced, and I think some of the same principles are involved here.
I learned that technique except without the stopper knot when I worked on a horse farm. The hoses to fill buckets and troughs were 50 or 75’ long. The farm owner hated tangled or sloppy hoses sooo, you learned quickly or knew you were going to get in trouble-again. I still wind my hoses and extension cords the same way 20 years later. 👍👌
Thanks for sharing. I have been having this difficulty for ages.
I had a gentleman teach me how to coil ropes, and I use the same basic process with electrical cords. Some people disagree with me for some odd reason, because they either don't care, or they are ignorant. When I was about 13 I was camping in N.H. with my family, and the gentleman in question set up a hot air balloon, and then he took it down and packed it up. Being the curious kid that I was, and still am, I hung around asking questions and helping. He was really cool and took the time to show me how to do many things in order to set up and take down the balloon. And one of the things that he taught me was how to properly coil a rope. I never thought much about it until others made comments about how I was doing it on future occasions. My reply has always been that if a guy is going to rely on ropes, etc., to not unalive himself or others, I'm going to listen to him.
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As a musician, this is also extremely important to learn
Musician?
Especially in video production too
@@danielsjohnson think instrument cables
@@danielsjohnsonSound cables.
This was the first lesson on my audio tech program. Anytime you see a musician on stage who doesn't know how to coil a cable, you know he hasn't been in the scene for too long.
Taught my son this trick when he was 10. He's 42 now and still does it.
For tie down straps, make a "Daisy Chain". Work on ropes as well. I cant do it justice in a description. The most useful way to wrap a strap, rope or cord.
Now if I can just remember that next time I’m wrapping one up!
Go find any cord you have whether it's a charging cable for a mobile device or an old extension cord of any sort and practice literally right now! This will ensure that the next time you are around any type of cable you will remember
Arborist of 20 years here, also amateur musician, quite pedantic with my rope and cable wrap up and storage. I’ve never seen this before! Can’t wait to try it out when I go back to work after Xmas or pack up after a session 🍻
aint no way you worked in music and didnt know the OVER UNDER!?? must have been ruining peoples cables left and right omg
@@lukeswagwalker1435 I didn’t say I worked in music. I PLAY music. I am an ARBORIST. ‘Omg’
@nickmonk7945 What do you play???? something without any power i guess?? if not thats wild
@nickmonk7945 most people who play music know the over under so they dont annoy sound guys
@@lukeswagwalker1435 do you think you’re superior in some way because you are already aware of this technique lol? I have many guitars, bass, drums , pedals etc been playing recreationally for over 30 something years and I simply haven’t had anybody show me this technique before. Similarly, I’ve been in the arboriculture industry for 20 years working daily with a wide variety of ropes and haven’t come across anyone who uses that style. I am now aware of this technique! At some point you also were not yet aware of it. You learned it from someone at some time. There’s many ways to skin a cat and I’ve never had any serious issues with my cables from *not* using this technique! Judge not, my friend, lest he be judged.
THANKS FOR SHARING THIS VERY VALUABLE AND NECESSARY INFORMATION.
I needed this info thirty years ago when I was a ground man! That over and under would've been golden....my ropes always twisted at the worst times. Did demolition before that, my jaw dropped when I saw my first double wheel, wheelbarrow!!
I lay down large loops on the ground for coiling wires and hoses. The fewer turns, the less chance of tangling. 3'/1 m is about right. If you don't unroll a new cord or hose correctly when new it will add to tangling troubles later on. You need to unroll hand over hand as if it's on a spool. If you peel off turns perpendicular you'll twist the product almost guaranteeing tangles later on.
I learnt this recently as i had to test and bundle hundreds of fibre optic cables that had been stored incorrectly. Super super useful.
Been doing this to my guitar cables (and basically every cable) for almost 20yrs, all my cables are in fantastic condition :)
been using this technique on airless sprayer hoses for 22 years. Works great and helps prevent kinks.
airless sprayer ! l hav a graco l need help with.. are you in the USA? : /
Yes whassup? We use large titan speeflow units but i might be able to help@@BEAUTYnIQ
These videos are awesome. Definitely has saved me a lot of time with these useful knots at work.
Thx a bunch!
As a retired firefighter and cop….facts lol this is such a good thing to learn
I have always tried to avoid the underhand twists that sometimes happens when coiling up cords & ropes. I will give this a try.
As an audio guy I approve this method 😎 that's how to wrap cables so us roadies won't get upset. That's not technically not over under, over under won't deploy like your cable does. Great clip 👍👍👍👍
Hahaha, i learned this method the very first time i helped an audio guy pack up his stuff. He was yeling at me, heeey wtf are you doing man, let me show how it's done 😂😂😂
@@charles_king that's usually how it goes down 😁 We love to show people how to do it, so its one fewer person that ruins cables lol
As an audio guy too, that's one of three methods I know to wrap a cable. The most important thing (for us) is avoiding to twist the wires inside.
Also as an audio guy, I flat stack, but twist so that the coils lay flat. As a climber, rope is coiled between straight arms behind the head, and at the base of a climb the rope is "flaked out" , ie loosely piled on its self. There's also " saddlebagging" on hanging belays that I can't be bothered to try and describe!
I work events, and while things are often moving so fast that the event managers want you to just over/over for the sake of speed (over under is definitely slower, but worth the time if you have it), one good bit of info is if youre storing your cable flat in a confined space or box, you can coil it in a "cinnamon bun style". Self explanatory enough, coil it on the "outside" about halfway, depending on how long your cord is, and the begin to fill in the inside space as you finish the remainder. Just make it very clear which end you want to pull, big emphasis on that. Also for dropping rope or something similar, I'd recommend alpine coiling. Kinks are always possible, but the alpine much less so for vertical drops. Probably not the most useful for small lengths (
Look at you go buddy. Super proud of you. DJ. I’ll be using that method
My father was a tree trimmer in Oregon for 20 years. He taught this method to countless groundmen and climbers over the years. This is an incredibly useful skill and can be used for cables/extension cords as well. It's so efficient, and the handle function of the slip loop is ridiculously convenient when carrying multiple bundles of rope.
I appreciate you. I've never done the over under with extension cords and the finished coil of the whole cord always winds up twisting itself into a figure-8. Makes me want to drive to my storage unit just to recoil all my dang cords - work smarter, not harder. I was 49 years old today when I finally leaned how to coil rope neatly, thanks to KZhead. Good grief ... You'd think I would've had a dad or someone to teach me this stuff ... Sigh.
My dad simply put them on a spool.
Depends. Sometimes over-over is better than over-under, you've gotta learn 'em both and decide what you do for each cable!
over-over is good if you know the cable will spooled out perpendicular to the axis of the coil. over-under is good if its deployed parallel to the axis of the coil. weirdly, a lot of stage lighting companies in the US wrap their cables over-over. i dont know why, but they make it work
thx
Been waiting for this all my life. Thank you
Fantastic!! Thank you.
I use this all the time. I can't seem to get anyone else to participate with that method though. I really appreciate this video because now I can add the hangar plus stop or not to everything. This is awesome!🎉
*stopper knot
For 50 years all my cables, cords, ropes, and hoses have been done similar, but I pass the coil hand to hand , spinning the entire coil to achieve it. It works, but THIS is so much more efficient. I'll save this and practice.
Same, not as long as you but I do sound engineering and I’m also a DJ. Once I was taught this I havnt gone back
I use the twisting method. I hate the over under method. It makes an atrocious tangle if you don't unravel from the correct side. I've had a band for 12 years now, and we all agree: Over/under method is terrible.
Tks for your time and sharing your knowledge.
WOW! I am absolutely amazed and tickled to death. I am going to try to do with all the electrical cords for the sound system after church this Sunday. 😊
I've been doing the underhand twist for near on 10 years. It stops the cable from twisting along its length too, which is great for cable longevity.
I was taught this at about 3 or 4. I come from a family of construction workers, sailors, and farmers. Should be common knowledge.
For people that come from a family of construction workers, sailors and farmers
I learned this when I was 2. Your way behind in life dude.
@@actionjacksondan do people use lines so infrequently as to not know stuff like this? Do parents not teach their kids useful skills anymore? I get they may not be using rope in particular too often, but hoses, extension cords, hell, even Christmas lights can be coiled like this. These aren't skills that are unique or focused to the trades anymore than using a screwdriver or hammer. It's just a basic skill mind that everyone should know in my mind, same as sewing, painting, cooking, stuff like that. In fairness, this coming from a guy who had to Google which Ethernet port to plug into to wire an Xbox to the router. Nobody knows everything I suppose
Yes ,and seeing out missed ppl doesn't stop us to show them if we know how to do it..same with us you me and them ..I believe that we have to show everything everytime to anyone with no difference by age and without exception..this speaks how productive can we be in way of creation if we all want to continue the meaning of civilization long time ago😢 thanks by the way
Well thank goodness someone posted a video of the correct way to roll up ropes and hoses. I do however prefer to do an "electrician roll" on my extension cords, i can pull out however much i need and it never tangles.
Awesome this is a great video. Thank you for sharing.
As a sound guy, I have a love-hate with the " over-under wrap ". It works great for long runs where you can't untwist the wire. But you are in trouble if you pull the end through the wrong side. The over-under wrap is as close to a basic knot as you can get. Cast it off the wrong way and you will end up with one knot for every two loops. So a 25' cable can have as many as 4-5 knots depending on how small you wrapped it. For me, 25' and under gets a basic over-over wrap, for 25'+, it gets an over-under wrap, not for any other reason than it takes more time to un-twist than it does to figure out your knot issue later. There is a trick to get the knots undone, but that is for you to figure out :)
My trick to help with that is making sure the heads are snugly flat against the side they're supposed to go. Doesn't mean other people always pull them that way, but I rarely have problems.
My trick to avoid that issue is to connect the plug and socket on the outside of the loops. Secure them there with Velcro or cable tie if possible. That also helps prevent damage to the pins and blocks dust and junk from getting in the socket.
put all the pretzels together and feed one end through. bam no pretzels
Bro is working for big electrical getting people to damage their power cords.
This works great for some bigger stuff, but for cables and smaller rope / wire, I always use the center wrap method to bind them
Thank you for sharing this
This is actually so useful , I wish KZhead had a button so we can save shorts for watch later ☹️
Tap the three dots at the top and then you can "save to playlist"
Ya your mom has a save button also
You can always just share it to yourself, then copy the link into your browser bookmarks.
they do.. its under "watch later" or favorites.. plus, you can also email to yourself! click on "share" and then email..
You don’t have to do all that. I’m a sailor and one of my jobs is coiling long ropes very quickly. All you have to do is keep each spiral on top of the last and it will throw/unspool just fine. Then if it’s a rope and not a chord/hose you just need to do a regular slip not, and you can carry it by the tail. You can also use the tail to tie it to anything you need. The clove hitch (the x looking knot shown here) works well for this part.
Ya definitely not needed for ropes or cordage. Sounds like it’s works for wires and cables though.
Well yeah you don't need it with a rope that's thick enough to keep its shape and not try to coil back on itself, but that's not really what the clip is about
@@CADClicker Lol You’ve never experienced coiling heaving lines. No all you have to do is rotate the line as you coil so it doesn’t do that and lays naturally. Takes practice but everyone usually gets it eventually.
Thanks!!! Just made my day and i learned something new. Brilliant!
Considering my hoses always get tangled when I try to unroll them; this is excellent!
I can't wait to try this when my electric cords and hose warm up in July.
I learned that method in filmmaking college I can’t stress how important it is to properly wrap a cable Nice 👍🏽
I have been doing the underhand twist for many years. I've heard it called the fireman's roll. This works for electrical and water hoses but the loop at the end is done different.
I’ve watched someone do this in a figure 8 (two loops), but it didn’t make sense. Seeing it this way, now I know exactly what they were doing, appreciate you sharing this. BOL
Solid advice, mainly for when dealing with ropes. Good luck tying a "stopper knot" in a hose or an extension cord.
Anyone who has worked with audio/dmx cables will appreciate this- seems like not enough people know this easy way to roll bundles
Very useful. Thanks
That quick release is awesome bro
I’m glad I’m not the only one doing this. My coworkers do the macramé thing and I cringe half to death.
Unfortunately I buy the pre-kinked hoses from Lowe's. 😂
Roll it out as straight as it lets you in the sun and leave it there to warm up and soften for a few hours, then roll it up like he shows. I always connect the plug and socket on the outside of the loops to help protect the pins from damage and stop the plug from finding it's way through the middle of the loops to the other side.
We do this when coiling cable for Naval Destroyers. When the cable gets big, we do the same concept but instead figure 8 it on the deck. We call this with smaller cable "figure o-ing". It's an absolute MUST when running hundreds of feet of cable.
Don't tie knots in your cords, having kinks and knots will damage your cord. Good coiling advice but the rest of the advice is terrible
Tie sash cord around one end. Pretty easy.
This is a stopper knot at the end of the rope... did you ever put load on the first 6 inches of a rope??? You really trust your knots that much???
@@MattCantSpeakItLearn how to use an ellipsis.
Sadly you cant fix stupid.
@@gregwessendorf good tip! 👍👍 I use velcro
This is the worse version of the roadie wrap. The proper way to do it is to give the rope/wire a half twist for every loop. This was taught to me by my band teacher who toured with april wine and many other bands before we started "touring" around town. Theres no time to waste doing it the way you showed when you have to set up and tear down in 5 minutes each
Plus that half twist relieves some tension on the copper inside the cable. As you roll it without doing that, the copper is twisting too.
Oooooooh thanks I was always struggling with finding a favourite way to coil bundles. Love this one
I like the style they teach the paratroopers. Way faster, way easier, tangle free fast deployment.
I call BS on this video. He shows an orange power cord. Then he demonstrates with an orange rope. Big difference. The power cord will have tension memory and resistance. The rope will be soft and pliable. They will not wrap the same.
We used to do this with mic leads and multi cores, you don't do the quick release tho
High quality power cord does not have this problem. Such as flexible SJOOW
The over/under method is well known and works well with both long ropes (think marina/boating applications), as well as long power cords (think construction sites). So yes, there is a big difference between a power cable and a braided rope, but the over/under still works great. Also works great with garden hoses. There are a couple other methods that achieve similar results, such as the "chaining" method, but this is the easiest/simplest (IMO). The "quick release" part I wouldn't use. You can get a clip with a handle that works better and doesn't require you to tie a knot in your material.
I've used this on 3ph 100A cables that is around 2" thick. Yeah, there's memory when you first attempt to wrap it but it can be done. You just got to be strong about it.
It works on electric cords and air hoses. Just don't pull the cord through itself.
1. Rope is not an electrical cord. 2. Rope and electrical cord should not be coiled or tied the same. 3. Rope tying and wrapping will damage the electrical cord if done in the same manner.
Very Nice!! I always untangle and then walk my cord or hose out and straighten it out , then pull it towards me as I roll it up.. makes it much easier ..
I'm SOOO happy your videos popped up on my feed. They're fantastic. Enthusiastic new subscriber here.✋️
Thank you. I will use this a lot now.
Tall ship guy here.This is great for coiling metal wire, since it doesn't turn as you coil it. For rope that's spun right or left it's better to coil them over only and only right or left correspondingly. Otherwise the rope will end up a mess. As someone said, it remembers 😊