SLIP TEST - 4Motion vs Quattro - Volkswagen Arteon vs Audi A5 -
2019 ж. 15 Қар.
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Volkswagen Arteon 2.0 TDI 4Motion (2018)
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Audi A5 2.0 TFSI Quattro (2017)
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Well said, Jeremy
Nice to see how the cars shift power to wheel with better grip on the road and applies it gradually.
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Good demo
I dont understand this..Some Quattro Audis can cope with rollers on 3 wheels but some can't. This A5 did it easily but some A6es of the same age cant
Some have Torsen and some have Haldex, its not always the same system
Torsen is always better like this A5
@@imagik9216 I am talking about A6 in case u didnt notice..A6 is longitudal torsen quattro, but it cant cope with 3 rollers
I have wondered the same. My guess is software differences, as mechanically the Torsen solution is similar and the takeoff from rollers happens by applying brakes to the spinning wheels.
@@nikolaradosavljevic1344 i think because of the type of transmision too, stronic have 2 clutches and the other is tip tronic(torque converter) with 8 gears, the 3.0tdi models with 313+ps have always torque converter because of the NM and the 272,245 ps have always stronic, this A5 is Stronic too, i think its because that but i can be wrong
Regards! I love your videos, I think they teach something that is not usually deepened when analyzing cars, which is the behavior of AWD and 4WD systems in different situations. However, I don't quite understand what the correct reaction is in each situation (when only two wheels are in the rollers, I imagine that the system should send all the torque to the other two, which have more grip), so as a suggestion I propose that you explain if the reaction of the system is ideal in each case and if not, what should it have done. Thank you for your attention and keep it up!
Thanks and regards! It is very hard to make some general explanation. Reactions should be different, depends on conditions. I rather prefer answering the questions concerning some particular test than making some general marking.
I expected the Torsen to outperform the Haldex. Good to know it's not quite so cut and dry. I think the Torsen would still be the preferred system in high horsepower cars, but at least for getting out of a slippery parking spot, it looks like a wash.
There are some high horsepower cars using haldex, even the super cars.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers It looks like you are indeed correct. I didn't know the super VWs were using the Haldex system, but I'd counter by saying those (Lambo and Bugatti) are mid engine, so the Haldex system doesn't have to work as hard since it's responsible for sending power to the front wheels. However, in a tuned up RS3 or TT RS, the Haldex system has to hold a lot of power, which, I believe, makes fairly quick work of the bearing that are responsible for applying the clamping force to the clutches (working piston roller bearings?). So I'll amend my statement: I think the Torsen would still be the preferred system in high horsepower *front engine* cars.
@@WASTED__POTENTIAL I was wondering the same, I mean - in super cars haldex is powering front wheels but those cars have huge power. Unlike in front engine cars, haldex has cooling there so it is probably working a lot. It also may have more plates. Which elements fail first - I don't know. Recently the most powerful VAG front engine cars use Performax instead of haldex.
There is no more torsen in enry leval AUDI anymore. They have Quattro Ultra that is literally Haldex.
@@99a21Every A4, A5, A6, A7 and Q5 >500 Nm still has torsen. Also every configuration of Q7, Q8 and A8. Quattro Ultra is not haldex, video belows explains the difference: kzhead.info/sun/m5Wbk8uejIyZpXA/bejne.html
Hey man, Im your fan and I love your channel..Its the best car testing channel on YT! I wanted to ask you,your subjective opinion,what car brand has the best 4WD?I think VWs 4Motion is maybe the best..What do you think?And will there be any Passat on testing,any generation..Tnx...Love your work!
Hello, thank you! When it comes to your question - there is no the best one. Some are traction oriented, some are performance oriented, some are fwd biased, some are rwd biased etc. It all depends on individual needs of the driver. Passat - I hope I will test some soon!
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Yeah I agree on that,but lets be realistic, AWD is made to be a helping hand expecially on snow terrain,mud, rain....In my opinion, you really dont need AWD on a sunny day cruising on a nice rode,right?Thats why I think VW does the job,because haldex is triggered only when needed...and it does pretty good job...
@@hkjhhkhkjk Actually majority of modern awd systems are engaged only when needed. The point is the software and its calculation if awd is needed or not. Some do that better, some do that worse. Volkswagen is good but it isn't any special in the matter.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers I get you,but I like to watch russian channels on yt,expecially manager anton,where they test SUVs on snow and mud,and from all brands Merc,Audi,VW,BMw,range rover,toyota prado....VW Touareg showed to best results,even the older once from second generation,they are fantastuc and superior on any other SUV when it comes to snowy hills or snowy terrain,or mud...
@@hkjhhkhkjk But Touareg doesn't have haldex. It has permanent awd, dependent on version - it may have locking locking center differential and locking rear differential or torsen.
Arteon😉😉😉
very good ...
Possible A6 C7 with the optional sport differential ? 3 modes auto comfort dynamic
It is very hard to find a version with sport diff. It won't change a thing cause that's still an open diff. Standard A6 C7 is here: kzhead.info/sun/i6yCfLxpbYdnnqc/bejne.html
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers It seemeed to have helped with the opel because it did quite good
@@pwn3ddaboss What did help?
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers your comment was "That's not just haldex in Insignia, there is also e-lsd in rear diff. "
@@pwn3ddaboss Oh you are reffering to some other comment from different section. Correct, there is e-lsd in rear diff of Insignia I, but it has nothing to do with Audi optional rear sport differential. This one is still open, not lsd.
What about Volvo 4x4? Once, it was the only one car who move forward without any problems in the winter with ice on road when the rest couldn't.
VOLVO - 4x4 tests on rollers: kzhead.info/channel/PL_d2bK7PR7yyflPwp3fKlqv9DGICTHafE.html
vw win??
That situation is extreme. How much of that situation will actually happen?
Which situation? There are five different scenarios here.
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The last test just looks like neither of them is actually sending power to the wheel which isn't on a roller, they both seem to just be overpowering the friction on the roller to drive off it...I'd predict that if you stuck them on 4 rollers you'd get basically the same result.
Nope, not at all. Watch some other tests, many cars got stuck, even on two rollers.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers I've seen a few of the ones where they get stuck, just looks in the last test of this video like they just floored it to get off. I know that will also mean it sends a little more power to the non-spinning wheel (even to an extent with an open diff unless it's 0 friction) but the actual AWD systems don't appear to be great at dealing with that situation.
@@ApothecaryTerry Speed in these tests is max 30 km/h or 3000 rpm. You can't floor the car, that may cause serious damage.
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It should be TDI vs TDI or TFSI vs TFSI, diesels have greater Nm at low rpm
It doesn't matter cause they use only small percentage of that during such test. Here is TDI vs TDI: kzhead.info/sun/fblrlq6Gb5aYio0/bejne.html
Reupload?
Yes and no. Previously it was Arteon vs A6.
Audi just allows too much spin imo, I guess that's supposed to help with acceleration in the dry.
Gas vs diesel
@@barto777 the test is for the awd systems not gas vs diesel.
@@SpecialInMyOwnWay I'm talking about the shape of the torque curve.
VW and Audi making this video, while Subaru was finished first and is already far away. xD
Wakusa spare us from Japanese bullshitary , German cars are 100 years ahead of Japanease plastic shit , Subaru invented it , Audi perfected it . Too much youtube car wankers instead of real drivers these days 🤫
VW is VW !
From the same company.
Audi driver should not move stereing wheel left-right at the end
Driver must move steering wheel to keep the car on rollers.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers he moved it too much comparing to Arteon driver
@@Ahelot Apparently Audi was sliding more to the side.
@Ridwan Rahman Depends on version, some have Quattro Ultra. It is not haldex, but idea of the system is similar (shifting torque from front to back via multiplate clutch).
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers the audi a7 v4 50tdi what quarddra it has?
No matter what it takes ages for the wheel that have more traction to pull the car. By ages it's more than a second which is on normal road conditions many meters without grip especially under motorway driving.
same
Dla mnie podobnie.
Audi A5 - haldex\ torsen\quattro ultra ???
Torsen.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers aren't they quattro ultra? I thought all the new gen a4, a5, a6... Have it.
@@pokest225 This A5 is from 2017.
All haldex?
No, only Arteon.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers ah ok. My old 2003 Passat is torsen. I thought all the new stuff was haldex for fuel economy
@@waynesarahburns3871 Some of new stuff is torsen, some is haldex, some is ultra.
Если бы на Артеоне сразу давили в пол - он тоже сразу же выезжал бы. А так, почти на холостых выбирается 😅
It's all the intervention of the system.
Same company!
Все одно и тоже,халдекс 4,5, настройки разные
Why compare TFSI and TDI? The VW gearbox and motor has an advantage in this test.
What advantage?
4motion the best
Tomek pozdro you wish lol
I'll take RWD over 4motion or quattro any day. If I lived in Iceland (nice place) that would be stupid, but it doesn't snow here so I'm fine ☺ If you are on snow though, I find 4motion is not the most effective solution- I much prefer a tank.
2 different Torsen type gears between the 2 vehicles . Identical awd systems though.
Nope, Arteon has haldex.
4mo and Quattro are not the same system.
@@MatthewFura Except on Passat 3B/3BG which uses torsen, just like same age A4/A6 which are all the same vehicle when it comes to drivetrain and engines.
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Пол дня срабатывает. И зачем сравнивать 2 одинаковые платфоомы?
They are completely different.
Bence erteon
Nie jestem na 100% pewny, ale zrobiliście mały (albo duży) błąd w doborze aut. A5 powinno być też w wersji TDI, gdyż na 99% A5 z silnikiem TFSI na Haldex, na Torsenie są tylko auta z silnikami TDI. Więc jeśli to prawda, to wiemy, że różnica miedzy Haldexem a Torsenem jest spora, właściwie Haldex jest przednim napędem z dołączanym tyłem. Nie wiem jakie ma konkretnie właściwości w A5, ale w Audi S3 według sprzedawcy w salonie, Haldex jest w stanie przenieść do 80% momentu obrotowego.
A5 nigdy nie miało haldexa. Od sierpnia 2017 może mieć quattro ultra. Wersja z testu jest starsza i ma torsena: kzhead.info/sun/q7KxeMtvj3akZJE/bejne.html
Passat better ?
Both cars got almost the same result.
The audi guy turned the steering... That doesn't make it even
kzhead.info/sun/gpWmddWxjGuBd6c/bejne.html
ohne Ton ist das für viele sehr unverständlich...
It‘s the same mechanic 4x4 system with a haldex. Different is only the programming.
A5 doesn't have haldex.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers It's exactly the drive train like the A4 2.0 TFSI - with haldex. All 4 and 5 cylinder engine in the A3, A4, A5, A6 have the Quatttro with Haldex, coupled to the DSG transmission. Only the 6 cylinders or bigger have the Quattro with Torsen differential coupled with the 8-gear (converter) automatic.
@@KCKNV That is a myth, made by some ignorant and unfortunately thousands of people are repeating it vacantly. HALDEX WAS NEVER EVER USED IN ANY A4, A5 or A6. It is mechanically impossible to use haldex and torsen on the same platform.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Are you sure? It seems some A4's are "on demand" Haldex AWD (in the latest models) (not RS models). I just checked the Allroad on the Audi website and it says the car is FWD until AWD is needed, that sounds like Haldex? I too used to think all A4's were Torsen but now I'm not sure. I guess the change came in when A4 became FWD.
@@An.Individual Yes, I am sure. The thing you are talking about is Quattro Ultra, implemented to some current line up. Idea is similar (shifting torque from front to back) but that is not haldex.
Wv çizgileri daha güzel ya yakışıklı araba
Audi driver throttleing much
Thought the same thing. Gunning it everytime.
@@MatthewFura It only looks so. Max speed in such tests is up to 30 km/h. We are always trying to find optimum level of acceleration to get the best result.
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4x4 dont difference but arteon 👍👍💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻
Subaru wins here
Audi vw some thing
İ undetstand nothing. İs it good perf.?
Yes, both did great.
Audi sikdzik briu vw indrofenr biu kiunde
Macht so keinen Sinn
LOL. I'm always think that audi and VW was same shit
its not a realistic test.
Tests on rollers vs real conditions: kzhead.info/sun/bJZvmZSyqKabi30/bejne.html
What is this ridicolous thing
What thing?
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers the same car...
@@vincenzonovi5528 I see two different cars here. Different platform, different wheelbase, different engine position, different awd system...
Volvo wins.
Hahahaaha
wtf?
Living in a country where it doesn't snow and having RWD wins.
Dont compare they are brothers
They are, but not twins.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers by the look they both are similar
@@spacex9099 Same engine, transmission, seats, etc..
@@DMCarReviews and body also
lol, the audi is crap
4motion is better
never
@@oldschoolracinggames5729 you mean neeeeevvaaaaaaaaaaa
Ahahahah
No way. And quattro ultra is an on-demand traction system.
@@gigieinaudi24 This particular A5 doesn't have Quattro Ultra.
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