Model Railway News Feb 2024 | Did Bachmann Abuse YouTube's Copyright System?
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0:00 Intro
0:28 Accurascale
4:46 Bachmann
13:46 Rapido
15:47 Hornby
Just posting a quick correction to tonight's news video - while both Bachmann & Accurascale are producing MK1 coaches, Accurascale's MK1s are the Non-gangway TO variety, the newly announced Bachmann ones are in fact different. The ones I showed were the TSOs. Apologies for any confusion I've caused!
However, Bachmann have announced 57ft Mk1 suburbans in a previous season at £34.95 each RRP. They are available for purchase from retailers now. These would be direct competitors for Accurascale
@@tobyytlai technically, but the Bachmann ones are half the price, so they are really just budget models, something we need more of in my opinion!
Happy valentine's day, mate.
Thanks for featuring the Bachmann story on your channel @SamsTrains - I really appreciate it and think you did a great job highlighting what happened. All the best! LM
I just subscribed to your channel in support. In the past I have always been a big supporter of Bachmann. But to hear about them pulling something like this has me questioning whether I should refuse my most recent several hundred dollar purchase of their wares because what they did is, in my opinion, a dick move.
No problem my friend! Don't get pushed around... but also be careful.... Mother Bachmann is angered ;)
@@Trains-With-Shane Thanks for your support But, don't deprive yourself of what you want because they did something silly. If you want the stuff, go for it and enjoy it
@LocomotionMotion why not remake your video without using any Bachmann "copyright" material?
Subbed mate.
Big respect to Sam, standing up for the little youtubers and standing his ground too 👏
Totally agreed
Yup. Sam tells it like it is 👍
Hattons - Genesis coaches. Hornby - Beatles wagons. Bachmann - Streisand effect.
The more you try to suppress information, the more people want to find and spread it!
Thank you for standing up for smaller model railway KZheadrs, Sam. This could have been something that went completely under the radar and would have been forgotten a month from now, but you giving this a bigger platform will hopefully make Bachmann realise they cannot get away with abuse of the copyright system like this.
Thank you Sam for standing for the small guy, against Bachmann! You really are not only one of the best and most professional youtubers, but also decent and upstanding man!
I can't wait till Bachmann takes this down tomorrow
I hope they try 😂 I’ll appeal it and then make another video talking about it 😂
@@SamsTrains I don't understand why that wasn't an option for Locomotion Motion
@@SamsTrainsroll up roll up! The titan Bachmann vs the biggest model railway KZheadr- Samstrains!
@@SamsTrainsit's all content for your channel 😁 all the best Sam. Zoe and Andy❤
Comments about bachmann are generally fair. However they will dispute the mk1 comment as accurascale is not competing with them there (accurascale are doing the suburban versions). Bachmanns rereleased mk1s are welcome)
Some of Märklins models have the automatic couplers since the 80s, and nowadays there are universal conversion sets for equipping your own models with them, something I have done to the odd diesel shunter. They do offer hours of delightful hands-free shunting, indeed!
Thats interesting do you think it would cross fit to other models
If the model has a NEM pocket and a decoder with free contacts and functions it could They only work with the european type of hoop coupling. @@georgethomas7814
That's true, over here on the "continent" we have had this feature for many years.
Telex came out in '58. And it's a jolly good arrangement, if a trifle confusing sometimes (foward, telex, forward... oh no, backwards, okay... foward... no that's TELEX again... uh where was I?...)
Point of order. The Accurascale Mk1's are suburban Mk1's, and completely different from Bachmann's.
Not the first time Sam has shown he can't tell one BR train from another - he recently forgot that Bachmann had manufactured a model of the Standard 4 2-6-0.
haha yes - not an expert in BR - but you're quite right, the video is being modified and I've posted a correction - thanks for bringing this to my attention, Thanks for watching, Sam :)
This is one of the most important videos you've ever produced, Sam - kudos to you
The Rapido fireless loco looks beautiful too, theres one at Shildon that I always enjoy seeing when I visit, and this model will open up a lot of opportunities for industrial layouts like paper mills and gas works. And I love what Rapido are doing with their liveries and how that are very open to making mkre when people ask. World of Railways have commissioned an NCB blue livery for the Bagnalls, Locomotion models have commissioned an NER Blue H class, its a new approach to special liveries that I dont think weve seen from a manufacturer before.
Bachmann is crazy
Were they bought out recently?
Thanks Sam, for your strong stance regarding the misuse of copyright by Bachmann. Regards Charlie.
Are you going to be making a video on the matter as well Charlie?
@@ModelRailwayFan38 No, I think that Sam has made an excellent job of highlighting this selfish behaviour.
Cheers Charlie, appreciate it!
@@ChadwickModelRailway well said!
In other news, hornby quietly pushed back their new tooling Black 5 (steam, sound, firebox flicker) got pushed back from this spring to this fall
I was waiting for the video to end abruptly with the Bachmann logo appearing with maniacal laughter.
Experience through another interest of mine is that You Tube will not investigate any complaint and take the side of the complainant every time and there is nobody who will hear your objections, they just rip it down.
If Bachmann wants to act this way, then they can just go out of business.
Well said and well done Sam
All the rail news - all in the correct "gauge". Thanks Sam
The Accurascale Mk1 Suburban coaches are completely different coaches from the BR Mk1 coaches that Bachmann have released. Hint: The easiest way to tell the difference is by looking at the windows :)
I am very excited for that fireless engine! such a change for a while!
Yup
It's a very cool announcement. Fireless engines are a cool part of industrial railway history, and I believe some are still in use in certain parts of the world
@@Agamemnon2 the coal powerplant nearby still has 3 and is the largest user of them here. They tap in what would go otherwise into the district heating so the run quite cheap
I watched the Bachmann video solely for the N gauge section. Big news there is the LMS twins being available in N gauge for the first time. If possible, would be great to see N gauge covered in these videos 😊
Just a note from Australia thank you for all the information you have supplied over the years GONE ON YAH MATE
We got our TITFIELD THUNDERBOLT out last night and for the first time sent her off round the track. Superb from the first moment. Later on a slow inspiring one. One of our Younger Members said he would order one. Sad day for my wallet as I came limping home from FEBEX at Alton with a Wisbech and Upwell tram set. WHAT TOTALLY SET THIS OFF WAS BUYING IT FROM A STAND OPPOSITE TO THE Bachmann set up. Loved your review of this. D & L.
In terms of features, the accurascale model includes working fan (on all versions), and all the lighting configuration and is 169 quid with a full margin for your retailer - not forced to 15% discount to achieve any sales
The other issue with Accurascale is they want paying in advance. With Hatton's our orders for when they are dispatched which is much later this year or next. I have to pay for 4 locos by May. A note about the Accurascale warranty. My class 37 lights didn't work. I sent mine back and Accurascale said it worked for them. They blamed my controller. A Gaugemaster Prodigy Express that works perfectly with every other manufacturer I have. Not helpful.
Yeah, honestly I can’t say I’m the biggest fan of Accurascale… they seem to be taking a stab at retailers since they are trying to get you to buy direct, and they aren’t supplying every retailer, and they seem to have some quality issues…
Awesome video today Sam really looking forward to the black 5
My friend from uni worked on the graphics of the firelight steam locomotive. He’s a graphic designer for Rapido.
I like the look of Rapido’s Fireless locomotive. After seeing the real one in Shildon, it’s tempted me to consider buying one when it comes out. There could also be a chance I might get some genesis coaches. I’ve got loads of Hornby ones and I think they’re great, but there are some liveries (GER brown and L&YR brown for example) that only Hattons produce. I have faith in Rails of Sheffield after ordering from them previously so I might have to check the genesis coaches out (provided that they’re in stock).
Oh yes Sam!! F’ing brilliant, go get em!!!!!
13:38 Sam Mate You've got balls!
YYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEAAAAAAHHHHHHHH 😃 I’m so, so happy to know & hear that Hatton’s originals are going to Accurascale. Thank goodness really because I had fear for these models will going to be rare.
Oh, some other news from Hornby. Remember that old and obsolescent 8F? Well, Hornby just re released it for over £200 at the retailers. And just under £250 at RRP. As far as I can tell from the pictures and description, the only upgrade is the DCC interface to 21 pin, and that new loco-tender connection. I think it even has the non standard front coupling.
They've upgraded the DCC system but in return downgraded it's appearance as the smokebox dart and top lamp iron are now molded instead of being separately fitted like it has been for nearly 20 years now. Definitely a Railroad range model in all but name honestly. The loco to tender connection was upgraded several years ago on a previous batch.
I got myself the blue bramble O1. Hope it sells well to show that even fictional liveries are worth exploring! I've seen plenty of engines with liveries that never go through, so this is an unprecedented event that could make way for a notable (even if small) change for the hobby. At least with rapido...
One thing I was keeping an eye out for that wasn't covered Sam: the Cavalex 56. I hope you're just keeping cards close to your chesg because I'd love love love to see you review one - they seem to be pushing the boat even further than accurascale for what is possible in 00, and yet still less than £200 for a DC model.
I do have an idea for Bachmann and Accurascale for both releasing a class 31. I suggest you buy both, and see which is better.
I'm just hoping someone gets the Genesis Coach tooling and does further liveries as well as reruns of previous liveries, I would definitely buy more GWR coaches!
Great video Sam
We need to have Dickie Dickson to critique Bachmann on their insubordination
Good on you for standing up for other channels! I am really interested to see if you do get a response.
Sam.....love it when you get angry with manufacturers.....😂....can you do a review on Dapols O gauge Class 121 / 122 bubble car due to be released in March 2024 by Rails....I have had 6 of these models and all of them have had slow speed judder....I managed to find an older model which runs super smooth on slow speed settings....I have pre ordered a new 122 to increased my fleet but I have my doubts that they will have resolved this issue....many thanks....😊
I watched the locomotion motion video, before it was taken down. I thoughtt it was funny and on point.
Thanks for watching, and your comments :)
@@LocomotionMotion Keep on going, LocomotionMotion - God speed to you
@@LocomotionMotion I have subscribed as well.
@@roberthill6216 Thanks for your support!
@@ThrowerTimothy Thank you so much
This is just further evidence that Bachmann has competely lost the plot. They're embarrassing themselves at this point. 🥴 Good on you Sam, for standing up for the little guys!
A couple of things I noticed this month from Dapol, their second batch of moguls and their top light coaches are coming into stock. I understand that not making the video, but I imagine you’ll be excited to see those coaches Sam!
I’m at least delighted to see Alfred and Judy in OO. Also Accurascale has saved Hattons’s toolings. That’s awesome.
Well done Sam.
For a comparison PIKO have been doing FLIRT models for a few years in European International liveries in HO.
Dunno why but those Accurascale Rustons would look nice in the ATSF Zebra Livery , Pennsylvania Brunswick Green , the CBQ Everywhere West livery , both South Omaha Terminal liveries,and Belt Railroad of Chicago
THANK YOU
13:25 can we all agree that when Sam gets bold, it's always good
Yes there are model shops which stock UK outline but the range is limited and usually very Hornby/Bachmann centric. The NRM editions and other manufacturers are almost never stocked in my experience. Of course the Rails, TMC and Kernow exclusive models are not available either. Interestingly, of the 4 shops listed by Accurascale as Australian stockists, one of those with a web site does not list any Accurascale models on their shop site - not even the brand in their list of brands, another has only a few of the Manors, and the third has a few of the wagons - but often just one in stock. Most are shown as sold out. None of these are within 1000 klms of my layout. One tends to fall into the habit of buying from the UK retailers and not fishing in the local puddle. All the best
Hi Sam, I just wanted to give you a update on my GER P43 project. I've just finished rebuilding the running board and now I'm going to focus on making the cab. I'll still keep you up to date :) Cheers Jasper & Willow
I'll go on record as saying I'm glad Bachmann has finally announced the class 31. It was no secret Bachmann were going do the 31 either, it was abundantly clear when they did the Farish N Gauge class 31 that they'd eventually do a 00 model although they did play their cards close to their chest on that one. I expect the same with the Stanier 8F eventually. I've not had much joy with the Accura 37, so am apprehensive about the class 31s I have on order from them. Bachmann on the other hand I find that while they are expensive they are also dependably reliable, and have announced some core liveries which Accurascale hasn't, so for me at least I get the liveries I want on a model I trust more.
I know model companies will probably never do this but i find it cool and awesome if people like Rapido or Accurescale did Trains from other countries like america, Germany, France and Japan in OO (idk anything like permission and licencing but I'm just suggesting) cause i would like to have some of these engines on my layout running and either pulling they're own cars or working with pre-existing stock just an idea
I mean you could get HO Rapido and run it on OO track. If they did some stuff like that in OO though they would also have to make bigger tracks cause other countries have wider gauges than the UK does
Regarding the Bachmann video. I managed to watch the video before it was taken down. It was very funny and well put together. Just a fun take on feedback. I mean feedback good or bad needs to be taken on board and acted on . Not shunned and silenced . I think its rather shameful from a big company like Bachmann. Very poor
Yeah absolutely - and there was actually some very valid points made in the video too!!
@SamsTrains is there anywhere to get a list of the best model of a locomotive, obviously taking into account price and availability etc? Im trying to get into modelling and its hard to know which ones are good or bad. Back in my youth ylu went for Hornby all the time but clearly that isnt the case anymore, any help would be much appreciated, thanks
12:00 Wise words 13:35 I respect that sams ready to stand up to big companies 🫡
Bachmann ultimatum made me smile thank you Sam
Why don't you mention the new Cavalex Class 56? Always enjoy your videos Sam. Well done!
Hope hornby will make more Lner stuff in the future
Glad to see the tooling''s will survive Hattons.
I wonder why nobody has picked up on Bachman’s stealth preview of their new Ultra00 scale GNR Ivatt Single model to challenge Rapido’s 3 year old model. I think that they have to check that shade of green, the questionable lining and the proportions of the smokebox door…….
15:33 I'm one of those people, and I have in fact pre-ordered it. Now I'm just hoping I'm not alone, otherwise it won't be produced.
The Bachmann copyright issue also shows something else; KZhead’s policing of their channel. Over time this has gained a reputation for being arbitrary, secretive & heavy-handed.
Well done Sam for letting bachmann know that they can’t bully us modellers my channel is relatively small with only 111 subscribers
Im excited for the "What If" Livery on the O1! Hope this starts a trend in the industry!
I enjoy when you do the news. I am curious about the entire Bachman drama. I hope that it ends peacefully!
👍 excellent review!
Great vid Sam (like Always (: ) please could you review some OO9 stock or make ur own on your Mars printer eg (to review there is the Baldwin 10-12-D Tank Glyn Valley Tramway Lined Black I have one and it is amazing
Sam, why didn't you talk about the finalized CAD of Locomotion No. 1 from Hornby? It looks stunning!
I can’t wait to get the saddle tanks by rapido and I can smell the bill and Ben customs from here
hi Sam. great video, how many class 31s do we want ?am sticking with my Triang version, tried and tested.
I've got a new-fangled Airfix one!
How about The National Festival of Railway Modelling at the NEC in Birmingham on 23rd and 24th November 2024?!
I love the port of pars my favourite loco I had a fire ing session on Judy back in October
I literally spat my tea out when you said ‘bachmann are from another planet’ 😂😂😂
I'm hoping that accurascale come out with the Mk1 corridor stock, until then the bachmann Mk1 is the market leader
The Bachmann ones aren’t that bad, and if you get them without passengers, then they are significantly cheaper than the Accurascale ones, and they still look the part, so honestly I think it would be wasteful for Accurascale to make some, not everything needs to be made to the highest possible standard.
@@ModelRailwayFan38 for their age, and updates they've had it's still a good representation. I bought a new Hornby TSO a few years ago and when I got it out of the box I thought I'd bought the railroad version by mistake, I wasn't happy with it at all, yet the 20 yo tooling of the bachmann was still better.
@@Jamesb944 lol, was it something that dated back a long way and is just being sold with a high price?
@@ModelRailwayFan38 It was the first batch of the newly tooled ones and I had read the Hornby magazine review and thought I'd buy one. Given that I've got a few Hornby Gresley coaches and some LMS coaches with their super detail, sprung buffers, chassis mounted NEM pockets etc, I thought that the new Mk1's would be of similar quality. I was massively disappointed.
@@Jamesb944 oh I see, yeah the Hornby ones aren’t the best
yes sam bachmann was way out of the line. bachmann can burn bridges and they can in worst case lose ppls trust in the brand of bachmann. i have a thought can it be that bachmann is to sensative. thanks for a inteesting news show. 🇸🇪🇸🇪🇸🇪🇸🇪👍👍👍👍
Bachmann have NEVER liked any critical comments, even went meant to be constructive and helpful.
@@mrbluesky2050 and bachmann can lose trust whith costumer and stockist a like.
Bachmann pulled the same stunt in the US with the USRA Light Mikado. Broadway Limited had/has a very good version in the hobby and established themselves as a quality product for that loco class. Bachmann came out with theirs. It is $100 cheaper and you can tell. BUT for the same cost as a new Bachmann you can pick up as used (and in good shape) of the same class for a better loco in every respect. Sound, detail and quality are all better, even with an older QSI decoder.
It amused me while he was talking about parody and satire that in my head there was 'Locomotion Motion' counter and I was imagining that as a parody, just as it was with Mr Warwell 😂
Nuff respect to standing up to Bachmann, with style and class.
I agree with locomotion Martin. Bachmanns spring 2024 announcement didn’t amaze me just recycled models they done before with no new steam engines. I was hoping to see a 2nd run of the Johnson midland railway 1p tank engine As of all the rest like rapido. And accurscale taking over the hattons orignals ect I’m excited for them to come
Well done for speaking out against Bachmann's wrong copyright claims against Locomotionmotion 's criticism, Sam. Hopefully your pointers about copyright rules will give them something to think about
I cant say I'd want to pay £150 for a fan and the uncouplerwhich when you view those features in isolation is what youd be paying. I could do with some more mk1s (at least 3) plus I'm kit building a couple. . What we really need is a new batch of Mk2A TSOs as im not paying over £70 for one, which lets face it, is an old model. Since the ship carrying Accurascale's mk2Bs has docked and considering we're waiting for them to clear customs before Accurascale go through the batches and send them out. Then a week to receive them means maybe 2 or 3 weeks to get them.
I overheard a Bachmann rep telling my local model railway retailer that they don't sell many locos these days, most of the sales comes from the Woodlands range. It's seems that it that which keeps the company going. They and other companies are reluctant to make different models such as the Midland 2f or the L&Y Aspinall 3f. Such a shame.
Is anyone taking over the hattons laser cut baseboard kits?
Honestly, £99 is still an amazing price for the P class and Andrew Barclays, especially given the high quality of them and that original price. You wouldn’t get that from other manufacturers.
It’s a good price, but I still don’t think a price rise was necessary, just saying, Hattons probably would have honoured the original price.
Review cavalex class 56 please 🥺
I wonder what has happened to the Hattons Genesis coach tooling? Presumably in possession of the Chinese contractor who uses it. Those are superb models, finding high prices on eBay - definitely worth more runs. Will Rails of Sheffield relaunch these coaches? I would buy again.
If I go for a class 31 be a Accurscale one , bachmann are way too expensive now, and think most will go for the Accurscale one too? I am definitely going for their mark 1 suburban coaches as got so many great features , ive got a Accurscale siphon G which is fantastic so think their mark 1s are going to be great.
The analog Bachmann 31 is the same price, but I understand where your coming from. I believe the normal sound fitted one is the same price as well, and it’s worth noting that Accurascale have been wiring their speakers wrong causing the sound not to work on sound fitted models (Check out Chadwick Model Railway’s Class 37 video for more info).
@@ModelRailwayFan38 yes I saw that video , for me personally I am not that bothered about ' super detail ' as long as it looks OK and runs well and is more durable like the older lima / airfix/ mainline ones as they looked the part and have a few of these and run ok , I think now people want less high end and more affordable railway stuff now.
@@ianstransporthistorystuff8175 exactly, that’s my point! This hobby is getting expensive, and budget models are now more important than ever!
@@ModelRailwayFan38 yes I agree and these are so needed especially if we want to see new and younger people come in to this great hobby.
Go on Sam, get in about them 😊
Any reason you didnt mention the newly announced Bachmann Class 69 - now on Rails for pre-order amongst other sites.
It’s not a new announcement - just an update as far as I know - it’s been announced since 2021
It's kind of sad that Bachmann decided to take down Locomotion Motion's video. And it was very unfair choice too. Pity we have to deal with situations like that. Anyway, great material as always. When I first saw Accurascale's Fireless Engines I read actually "Fireflies" so I guess I need to buy one now and order custom etched nameplate for it haha ;D Cheers, Take care!
Completely agree regarding Bachmann's copyright claim. IMO abusing the KZhead copyright system is one of the worst things a channel can do to another channel. Really poor behavior.
Missed the cavalex class 56 arrival?
For several years a German company could not even be named on one of the forums - there was a court injunction - the owner was incredibly unhappy with the criticisms levelled at him with no right of reply - All articles, reviews and comments were taken down - Things can get ugly. The company went on to produce some exceptional models but no one could talk about them - consequently it is very hard to find any records of that companies products on the web beyond a few items for sale in shops.
Hey Sam! The Bachmann 30/31 will at least be available soon? Unlike Accurascale which is probably still 2 or 3 years away?
Marquis of Trainsbury rules lol ;)
HI Sam. Do you have any news on the KR Models War Dept. 2-10-0?
I like Accurascale models and have bought from both retailers and Accurascale itself. I made the mistake of adding a current stock item to a preorder. Acurascale say they do not retain any current stock against the order and will look to see if they still have some when the preorder finally arrives. The communication from them was not at all friendly - “your fault; suck it up” is the gist. Their website has improved to make the issue very clear that this will happen in certain circumstances. However, it is unclear whether it applies to an order of 2ABs which might arrive in separate shipments. Other posts about getting lights fixed indicates that the post sale service side at Accurascale is lagging the manufacturing and QA elements.
I must say, that’s pretty bad customer service. Also, I wouldn’t recommend that you buy directly from any manufacturer, as the retailers need support, otherwise they will go out of business, just like what happened to Hattons to some extent.
@@ModelRailwayFan38 You are right on both counts and I do buy direct only when I cannot get them from a retailer. I was after their crews for the Accurascale GWR engine I had bought from a retailer. The crews were not available from retailers and sending them to Australia by themselves would have more than doubled the cost. I will put a separate response on the price increase on that comment thread.
@@mkaustralia7136 oh yeah that totally makes sense then, didn’t realize you live overseas. I’m in Canada and I have a semi-local retailer that stocks British models, is there not anywhere in Australia that does, I thought lots of you guys model British stuff? Edit: I just realized you channel name says Australia in it, sorry for my ignorance 🤣
6:21 Yeah! TMC!