Installing my Geothermal System with a pond loop Part 2 : Technical details inside
2023 ж. 8 Қар.
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I install the unit, with the help of @ericmaskell3278 and his team. I install all the parts and pieces, controls and work the bugs out and finalize the system. Also install domestic hot water heater run from the geothermal unit.
Eric's channel : / @ericmaskell3278
0:00 - Ryan Farish : Fireflies
It was great to work with you Jesse on this project and look forward to working with you on the next one
dont forget my house
@@danwheeler5130 I didn’t forget
Eric thanks for helping Jesse and I look forward to see your videos on your channel.
Great job, Eric! I am now subscribed to your channel and look forward to more videos on your projects! This topic is so very interesting.
28:40, your glance at the camera made me lol. Noah cracks me up.
he is a funny little dude
That dad look he gives the camera when Noah is complaining to him........ I'm dead! lol
"Why don't you ask him nicely?" "NO!" - I had to laugh at that! I don't miss the constant refereeing battles between my kids!
Hey Jesse, you can make a short Pex piece. I'm a Union plumber and pipefitter and do it all the time. You almost had it! Use the Milwaukee Pex gun and expand the first sleeve about 3 times then switch over to the other sleeve and expand that one about 3 times. Continue expanding the sleeves this way, back and forth until the sleeve bottoms out on each side. I normally continue to expand each sleeve after full expansion at least 3 to 4 additional times going back and forth to each sleeve then quickly push both fittings in the sleeves at the same time, the more times you keep expanding to its max expansion the easier it is to get the fittings in, just give it a few seconds for the pipe to contract down to the fittings and they will stop moving or swiveling around. Also, just FYI that Milwaukee Pex pipe cutter allows you to slice a sleeve and the pipe when you keep the handle closed. The blade protrudes on the end of the cutter in that shallow valley. It's much easier to slice off the sleeves and pipe if you heat both of them first with the heat gun. I re-use fittings all the time this way making sure that you have not scored the plastic barb fittings with the blade though. Hope that helps you in the future
that is good to know. thanks for the tips
Or use metal 90's ;)@@jmuller86
Why does he have to use 90's? Can you not go straight from the tank to the T connection using a PEX that will naturally curve because of the angles?
You are a genius also. Well done Jesse 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰
Loving all the videos on the house build! Going to be sad and happy when it is done.
Garage/Shop build is next!
True!@@rickybobby9255
@@rickybobby9255garage will have geothermal too. I already have the unit
The sheer number of things that can break is daunting.
@1:02:08 😂 common jesse who are you kidding!!?? Your work looks freakin awesome!!.. talkin about how it doesn’t look professional… pssshhh.. your work looks better than a lot of professionals work I see!.. you should be really proud of yourself man, you know that shit looks fire haha
All those connections in your plumbing is going to give me nightmares of leaks 😂
Mr. Jesse this is my 3 video from you channel. kitchen led light desk , bathroom and geothermal system just in one nigh and I enjoy your passion for you HOME. I am from Colombia
Dreams do come true when really get set I am happy for you Jesse your dream is now a reality and that is awesome.
Noah makes a good project manager/safety officer!
Brilliant !! Plumbing and electrical... both trades where you always fight against the rats nest. No matter how methodical and careful you are, the complexity and the nature of the materials will always look like a jumble of chaos. All in all, this system looks pretty damn neat.
very very impressive buy holy crap that is a lot of failure point's and thing's that can go wrong especially with the electrical side.. we all know how reliable electronics in heating systems are.... and the amount of pipe's ......
"I want the waptop weely bad". OMG - Soo Darn Cute!! And, PRICELESS!!
good for you jesse and your family any way to save now days is awesome, thats more money for you and your family. god bless you all.
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Really enjoy all your videos Jesse, an hour goes in a heart beat. My favourite part in this one is your youngest boy 'who could talk the leg off a galloping horse' chatting to you while you work. Suddenly you stop and stare into the camera with a smile on your face. MAN that was perfection right there. Cheers
Pure madness that system is. Great Video. Thank you!
Love the technical type videos Jesse. It's really cool to see someone delve into an energy efficient complete home system that probably would intimidate most people. I hope that you revisit this system in the future and give updates and thoughts on it when the weather gets extreme. I always appreciate your videos and the time it must take you to edit your detailed content. You remind me alot of Rich Trethewy in that you understand your craft, embrace newer technologies and have the ability to explain it for others to learn from you. Thanks.
Jesse enjoy watching your channel and learning. You made a statement your not a professional, would respectfully disagree. While it’s great to strive for perfection sometimes time and space constraints don’t allow it. I say you did a great job and appreciate you sharing your projects and teaching us what you know!
Jesse, very well explained. Its surprising you got it all working in line from the start. I did a similar set up for a client with solar boilers. It took us weeks to get the system operating correctly. As soon as you deviate from the manufacturers advice you depend on creative solutions of experienced geniuses and not many people are willing to put their work online. Thanks.
It seems like Eric knows this stuff very well. I’m sure he has had trial and error before to learn how to make it go smoothly.
Great to see it's working well. When you eventually make a follow up video please discuss the things you'd do differently if you were to go back and start again. Also good to hear you talking about the future solar project, so I'm curious to see if you'll use a static system, or one of those tracking systems that you installed for customers (the one with the large concrete bases)
The laptop gate was priceless. And the system, still trying to rap my mind around it, just fascinating
I built a ground mount solar array by myself. From design all the way to commissioning. Its amazing how many hiccups (redoing work/redesigning) you run into along the way. I truly do feel your pain. But i know absolutely everything there is to know about my system and its much nicer and cheaper than i would have paid for! Great video.
I actually really want to get into that next year, I really know nothing about solar but I am trying to pick up tips and tricks when I have a moment. I would like to be able to power my house completely off grid with batteries and enough solar to charge them for the nights
Jesse... I don't know how you do it all. Obviously you want your heat and water heater working before winter really sets in... but then you are also building your shop too... and didn't you mention that you at least wanted to get the foundation poured before it got too cold? Here I have been looking forward to more progress on your dream shop.... and you churn out the 2nd part of this install. PLUS you help your parents too! I just don't know how you do it all. Every time you accomplish something, I hope you take a second and bask in that sense of accomplishment. Your whole approach has been quite unique... ambitious and laudable. Thanks for sharing all of this with us - just showing what is possible when you really think things through and keep your nose to the grindstone.
it is really hard to find the time to do it all, but somehow I manage. I think next year will be the first year in a long time where I can take it easy just a little bit and not be in a rush for anything. I hope to take advantage of that and spend a little more time with the kids
It's actually common to use a water-to-water heat pump to provide on-demand domestic hot water with an indirect tank. The desuperheater is a smaller heat exchanger that isn't reversed with the reversing valve and works just as well in the winter (anytime the system is running, so not on-demand DHW), but takes from the tonnage the main heat exchanger can provide as the compressor is the limiting factor.
Well done. All that planning and hard work paid off. Im for sure inspired by your work ethic.
Brilliant 🤩
Real interesting, thanx for sharing and good job!
I'm excited to see your analysis too!
Quite impressive in every way !
Great job, super interesting 🤘🤘
Awesome technical video. Really enjoyed it. Thanks!
Dude this is so awesome cool ass setup.love the 3 way Belimo valve idea !!
Great video really enjoyed it
Love these videos and you're right, no one has done anything like this with such great details! I would love to see a line diagram of the system. I think I got it but it would be very helpful
Looking good Jesse. Thank you for sharing. Have a great weekend.
I have a similar setup at home, was installed by somebody else and it was there when we bought the house. It took me several years to really understand how everything worked and I have been pouring money to it ever since due to many design issues/maintenance not done. This video gives a pretty good idea how geo works and helps me to understand my system better. Thanks Jesse.
Comments like these keep making me drift towards an outside downdraft boiler. The water to water stuff seems like it’s adding complexities on top of an already complex setup.
@@silverbackag9790 water to water systems are great, but complex in setup , but in practice are simple. As long as you keep the maintenance they run very well.
I appreciate what he's doing with all this but I can't seem to get past all the special parts that aren't available at normal hardware stores. Maybe if these systems get more popular things will change
Nice job and good luck on the use and long term. Very nice.
Cool system! Loads of fittings. Cute kids.
Very impressive! Frankly your whole project is so Kudos!!
Good to see you got your dream system fully installed. Look forward to the updates.
Great video....
Very nice job Jesse Looks great I subscribed
It looks great a $100000 worth of work. You did on your own for less than twenty grand should be proud of yourself
fantastic video
Jessie, Great videos as always. I know you are a licensed electrician and may already know this but if you need to run a backup generator be sure it's generates low total harmonic distortion. Many generator manufacturers claim pure sine wave but that is misleading as it alludes to "clean" power. The best course is to use an inverter generator even though they are more expensive. You have many sensitive electronics running your HVAC systems not to mention other usual devices such as tvs and computers. I made that mistake buying a good deal generator only to realize that I needed another small inverter generator for our electronics running on a separate circuit. Hope this helps and thanks for great video content. Bob O.
So good!! Had to watch in 2 parts! lov it! learned so much! Cheers!;-)!
This is a fantastic resource mate, thanks for going through all the time to capture all the details of the install. I’m planning a ground source water only solution for my new build and information is very scarce, watching this is certainly invaluable for us chaos that like to do what we can ourselves.
Jesse you lost me at thermal loop lol, very cool system though. Love your new house project.
Love seeing you working with your sons ✌️❤️ from the UK
Aye yo Jesse been waiting for this segment of the vid to drop man glad it's here..one of the most technical and well explained vids on KZhead as well as your camera work and angles which is impeccable... BTW love the open chilled out music fireflies by Ryan Farish bro I even downloaded it for my ringtone lol
110°F is in the breeding range for legionella. You should raise your temperature to 120°F at minimum, 140°F being safer as it kills it quickly.
This video was awesome. loved all the details. looks really complicated but actually not that much.
That’s a cool heat pump almost like a water source chiller
This is awesome !!! Thank you for the “details”. You saved a ton of money by doing most of it yourself , but still I can see how this setup will pay for itself with its efficiency. Thanks again I was looking forward to this one.
Any time Jesse release 1-2 hour video is consider a movie in my book. 🎞🎬📽
Hi Jesse, we love to follow your video's from our home in Portugal. We are also building a geothermal installation and going through your video's over and over.... do you already have an update how the system performed during winter? Greatings from 2 dutch followers 😊😊
WOW! AWESOME!
Some interesting stuff Jessie. Thank for sharing. These systems are very similar to how most modern electric vehicles get heat and A/C. Tesla uses a similar scheme to get instant heat in an EV. They also do some pretty neat tricks like running other items in the cooling loop to create heat...like intentionally running the A/C pump inefficiently to generate heat. They released a new system in 2021 that I've taken apart and studied quite thoroughly at work.
You get the prize for the most plumping fittings per square foot . Nice job 👍
I’ve been following you for several years and this series has really been great. If I was your age this is what I’d do, I’m a DIY guy and could have done everything you did. There’s a point in life where we all need help, you are lucky to have a guy like him to advise and help you. I’m happy for you, you work HARD for what you have. My bragging rights are back in the early 70s l used scrap metal to build a water stove and hooked it into my hot air heating system, heated my house, domestic water and saved a lot of money, just like your going to do. It is going to save money for the rest of your life in this house. Keep us updated.
I loved the look and smirk @ 28:41😊
Thanx for the walk thru.let us know how it all performs..and your evalustion of costs - usage of electricity and overall opinions...THANX AGAIN FOR THIS SHORT COURSE....
WaterFurnace is a good brand, over the past 30 years I've had two of them.
The home system that is connected to the internet is also subject to tampering. California was giving Nests to homeowners free for a reason. When they would experience brown/black outs the Power Company was going into your system and changing the cooling limits to reduce the load on the system. Crazy. People had no idea why their temps were setback until it was revealed by local media. So if in doubt. Just unplug it from the router and set it manually.
We like the long videos 👍👍
thats brilliant jess, as an ex hvacr engineer you've explaid it all perfectly great to see its working as you expected it to, very fitting hungry, planning all the fittings you may require is very difficult when ive done big systems ive way over ordered so you have options, in and out of the buffer tank 2 male / female swept 90,s would have helped, there is no point in having o c d when doing big piping jobs, are you recovering heat from your out going vents ?, air handle's up stairs I love heat exchanges there is so much wasted heat in every property people pay in electricity to get rid of heat so they can pay to put it back in , a tight 90 degree bend can add as much as 6 foot of pipe length but when its pushed and pulled in a closed system very little difference, commissioning and tuning a system is so enjoyable seeing your expectations come to fruition,
Wow I love watching you .Is there anything you can’t do.I like the way you take time to talk about what your doing Does pat work for you .Is he a relative ,you guys work well together.Thank you so much for making my day interesting I have learned so much by watching you take care Jesse
Excellent video. Happy that I am old and live in an apartment:)
Congratulations on your new system. Plumbing fixtures; to see ahead does enable Mr Murphy to have his say!!!
I just enjoy watching your videos. You pretty much lost me as far as knowing everything you were showing but it sure was interesting. 👍
really cool stuff one suggestion on those valves from the loop by the doorway safety wire or something someone bump that and you got a big mess
I just want to share my 20 years of geothermal heating/cooling system experience... I have a two floors house with a double garage... Approx 2000square feet total... I heat and cool the house and the garage... My house is very old and have basic isolation and "need to be change" windows... Temperature range here in Québec Canada are from -22F to 88F... When really cold i have a 10kw electric element to help the geothermal system... My system is water to air... First heatpump last 17 years, the second one that i curently using is very more efficient with variable speed fan and compressor... My electricity bill for all the house (3 peoples) is a average of 185$/month... The full installation including digging the well cost me 15k$ in 2003... in 2020 just changing the heatpump cost me 15k$... If you have question !! 🙂
Back then You did not have a choice. Now anybody can buy and install air to air heat pump working down -22, for money I save by doing it by myself I will install solar panels. My plan should bring my total electric and heating bill down to $0
I was thinkin the piping was alot to understand... then Leonardo De-Wiring showed up... holey moley lol
Thanks for the education. Your system looks professional to me. Great job.👍🏻
Great video, great system, love it. I have a floor heating system too, mine uses gas heater. I was considering switching to heat pump (air/water) to be able to also cool the floor in the summer, I know, weird idea, but I don't like blowing air. One big downside that deterred me was what you asked Eric about - switching from cooling (floors) into heating water throughout the day, actually multiple times. In my case the pipes to the unit (outside the house) would take so much water, that it was almost like heating another tank altogether in order to even start warming up the actual water tank. In your case, seems to me your temperature sensor on your water tank will cause this cooling-to-heating switch every time your water gets to 102F and that can happen many times per summer day I would think. Maybe you need 2 temperature sensors - one in the middle of the tank to start the heating and one at the bottom to stop the heating? That way the heating would only start when you used half of the hot water in your tank. Or, a dumber solution would be to schedule the heating your water in a fix times 2 times a day.
over in my neck of the woods you only find pex for in floor heating. what you do find is layered pipe, that has a layer of aluminium sandwiched between pex. this is usually installed with o-ringed crimp fittings. it behaves more like bendable pipe than a hose like pex, but it can make fairly intricate bends by hand without putting force on the fittings. the crimping tool can be expensive, but the fittings are usually a couple bucks for a butt joint or elbow, and you don't usually need many of them because the pipe can usually be formed enough to not need splicing. only real downside is that pulling it through a conduit or something can be a pain, and it doesn't deal well with confined spacing, but for what i've seen, neither does pex
straight 90 up to the ceiling would have works as well a bit more pipe but less connections
One thing that probably would have been a good idea, Would be to add a floor drain in that room. It would be a lot harder to add it now then if you were to add it during the initial construction but either way it would be nice to have esp if a pipe burst
i guess im just old .. but i was always taught to keep it simple ... there is so many things that can (and probley will) go wrong with that system its scary i wish you the best .. but i fear that whole thing is going to come back to bite you time and time again.. great vid!!
A plumber's nightmare, Jesse does everything the hardest and most complicated way possible, that's why the majority of his projects are unfinished.
@@richos2591 what projects are unfinished?
your house.@@jmuller86
Sure is more labor, complexity, hardware expense however radiant heat is constant, used in only premium housing and is quieter than forced air. I found water filled PEX is very freeze resistant because water in under 30lb pressure.
Keep building your empire, it’ll pay off. I don’t think folks appreciate the resiliency of your system, but hopefully more exposure will lower the complexity shock. Great job
That shirtless drunk plumber at 29:12 is my favorite.
Great video. This is my favorite series on KZhead. As a non plumber and a general no thing about this stuff, can someone explain why those pipe connectors don’t come pre-spread so Jessie needs to use that thingamabob attached to the drill/hammer to spread them?
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Impressively complicated system... although I was hoping the final step would have been you climbing up onto the roof and attaching the entire thing to a lightening rod! 👍
Just watched a 2 hour and 14 minute video showing how crazy expensive it is to heat the pound in the winter to keep the fish warm and cool it in the summer so they feel cool but the craziest thing of all is the utility company and the State of New York is giving him $8000 to do it. God Bless America!
It is the opposite. It cools the pond in the winter and heats it in the summer. But most importantly, it heats and cools my house for a fraction of what any other heating/cooling system would. It has been working really good and cost me about $2 a day to heat my house and my domestic water together. Cant beat thay
Great system, just imagine supporting it with some solar panels to pre-heat the pond loop or the water tanks, it would cut down energy consumption even more! And withe the rebate numbers, as you said, in a few years it's all paid and you'll making money out of it! 👍👍👍
sounds like you will have head room for heating ryour addition when you add on in the future
jesse, you would be a perfect example for an AI based house management smart home!
Your plumbing job turned out as well as expected when using coil pipe. It’s just hard to keep it straight
I did geothermal for 18 years. If you ever have any questions, feel free to contact me. Your guys are great but they did things the hard way 😉
Eric is pretty open minded. Is there anything that you would suggest?
@@jmuller86 He's obviously very good at what he does. The purging could have been easier. I typically didn't purge until everything was hooked up which saves a ton of time and frustration. His flush cart looked pretty old school, the tanks I used made air locking impossible. You have a super efficient system that will pay for itself pretty quickly.
If he wants a better purge tank design, I'd be happy to discuss with him!
Turn the unit to off, then press and hold the up and down buttons and you will go into installer mode and get everything he was seeing.
just tried that, thanks. I wish it would give me the outgoing loop temp so I can see the delta t for the pond loop. but it does give me some more info
@@jmuller86 mine does. It has a detail screen that has incoming and outgoing loop and load side as well. That stuff isn’t even behind the installer screen. It’s in menu/settings/information for me.
That's a very complicated system Jesse. Hope it saves you allot of money in the future 😊
Apply Teflon more than usual It will help prevent any leakage👍
A lot to know to take in on this video it was good though❤😂🎉😢😮😅😊
The dribbling water in the background got me i though one of my fish tanks had sprung a leak