The Truth about EV Battery Life and Charging Best Practice ! | 4K
So what is the truth about EV battery life and charging best practice ? Are they done after a couple of years ? Does rapid charging damage them ? Should you charge to 100% ?
Well I paid my mate Moggy at Electric Classic Cars a visit so I could de-bunk the myths and misunderstanding. This video is a must for any EV owner.
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Don't listen to people with opinions, listen to people with experience, got it. Thank you very much. Great video.
Thanks for watching!
Yes like Harry's garage has some interesting views kzhead.info/sun/ob6yo9qfpGSVdK8/bejne.html
I've specialized in batteries for 25 years now and it really is an annoying career because so many people want to tell me how much more they know about batteries than I do. Unfortunately the vast majority of them have 10 pounds of opinion and 2 pounds of knowledge.
And they'll need 30,000 pounds sterling to replace the batteries
$60,000 American for a Hyundai ioniq 5 battery. What a joke@@michelians1148
@@michelians1148And people who power their cars by explosions of hydrocarbons have to replace their engines once they wear out, so?
@@pilotavery Yeah bro people have to spend £30K on replacing their engine every few tears. Also second hand cars need new engines too 🤪
@@michelians1148 I was being sarcastic, engines don't have to be replaced all that often and when they do it's very rare occurrence. It's the same with electric vehicle batteries. Only the very first generation of model s's are coming up for replacement and they are the older cells that don't last very long. The current generation lasts 200,000 mi and still has 90% left but the new LFP batteries currently shipping in the Tesla model 3 lasts easily 500,000 miles
I learned more in that 23 min video clip, then in hours of googling. Thanks Moggy
Great to hear 👍
What’s a moggy? Name?
@@PetrolPed the only myth is that ev's are good lol batteries are JUNK!
"Don't listen to people with opinion. Listen to people with experience" Nicely said. A great video. Didn’t think I would listen to the finish, but I did. Great job! Thank you 🙏
I appreciate that!
Listen to God, not the trained/certified EV battery technicians that follow code or protocols that are placed by the management that are placed by the elite criminals to control you for profit. The truth is that EV batteries in a car need 3A or less to maintain long battery life. Fast charging will degrade the battery quickly. That is for the conventional battery cells for the general consumer.
And there are plenty of videos showing that EVs are not the future.
We have a Chevy volt that is 10 years old and has 40,000 miles on it. We are officially an elderly couple and very rarely drive beyond the range of the batteries. We live in town and 90% of our driving is within a 20 mile round trip. If we anticipate driving farther than the range of the batteries we put the car in mountain mode . This mode essentially guarantee that the battery doesn't get down all the way on the trip before the small gas engine kicks in and starts charging the batteries. GM wants the gas engine to be used at least 10 minutes every month anyway and and has this programmed into the system. Once in a while I let the car run the batteries down until the engine kicks in in normal mode to check on battery degradation. So far we have noticed no degradation that we can notice. The car has given us 40000 trouble free miles and has so far shown no evidence of body corrosion. At this rate and our very senior driving style we anticipate this car should, barring an accident, last us the rest of our lives. Given our low electricity rates it only costs us $1.50 to drive 50 miles which ain't bad. And you guys are correct, there's an awful lot of misinformation out there concerning electric cars from people who never owned or driven one.
not everyone drives like you, and not just locally, the range anxiety, not turning on the A/C in summer nor the heater in winter to to conserve energy make it home, not working in the cold, not finding an available charger, i don't need that
After hearing this I am going to change my charging habits. 80% is better than I thought for what I am doing. Great information video.
Moggy is FANTASTIC!!!! Cuts through the nonsense and explains things so simply and so well. The perfect guest. Well done 👏🏻 👏🏻👏🏻
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This should be on a DVD with one's new EV with the manual. Something simple that new owners can watch to get them going. Actually, just READ the car's manual. It is spelled out clearly... (...what manual?)
Great idea 👍
I’m a new EV driver and this video taught me so much. Thanks a million!
for more information on EVs and other things this channel is great 😁 www.youtube.com/@fullychargedshow
He taught you that 40% of your range has disappeared if you want to keep your battery in tip top condition lol
@@SuperFredc , lol... there is always a couple of you turds in the comments. I guess you have no comprehensive skills do ya, just your "opinion" which we just learned is no good.
@@SuperFredc I imagine that most people (such as myself) don't require 40% of their range for day-to-day driving needs.
@@MoonJellyGames If it suits you, it suits you. My point still stands.
I ran a Nissan eNV200 as a nationwide same day courier. Nissans are not noted for their battery longevity, they use old tech and very rudimentary thermal management (although unlike the Leaf at least the eNV has some). But after 130,000 miles in just 2 years and a huge number of rapid charges (sometimes as many as 5 a day) it still retained 90% of it's original battery capacity and therefore range. I was more than happy with a vehicle which would still be perfectly serviceable beyond 250 or perhaps even 300,000 miles with minimal repair costs, so I've stuck with an EV and wouldn't go back to a combustion car as a daily driver if you paid me.
That isn't dissimilar to the MG5 on the James & Kate KZhead channel. James did a video over-view of one of his company's MG5's, which is used a mobile EV mechanics call out/service vehicle. This particular MG5 had covered 70k miles in just 18 months. The front tyres were changed at 41k miles, and James reckoned the brake discs and pads would see 100k miles. Despite numerous rapid charges, the battery showed 96% state of health. There had been just a single failure, and that was the latch on the charging flap in the front grille.....
I know a community transport volunteer in Loughton, Essex who bought an wheelchair adapted Nissan E NV200 ex-taxi for £8k with 180k miles on the clock and it’s in viable use most days. When I say viable, at most a return trip to a hospital in Harlow, but that’s the requirement.
Oobviously happy to waste your life at an EV charging station. Some of us have better things to do with our time
Not worried about it catching fire, exploding and burning down your house while you sleep? After the cargo ships catching fire and sinking, the spate of electric scooters catching fire overnight killing families, think I will wait until they are safer, just like with the experimental mRNA gene therapy injections, will keep watching the excess deaths increase and keep waiting for them to finish the trials and see how safe it really is 😮
Well, at least you could have written this insanely smart comment on KZhead while drinking coffee at a nice bakery while charging your car and leave it there - try this with an ice car ;-)
Thanks for putting out the facts. I have a 5 year old Model 3 with 100,000 miles, and it's at about 95% of my original range. I've also paid a whopping $200 in maintenance costs (excluding new tires)... which was to replace the trunk (boot) latch. I still have the original brakes... and with regenerative braking I may never need to replace the brake pads. And with over the air updates, the car is literally better than when I bought it. I wouldn't even consider buying anything other than another Tesla.
Right on!
I guess your one of the lucky ones but what about the ones that there's burned up and there house . Or just burned-out after floods in Florida. I bought a blower it lasted a few Yeats now it doesn't work cannot buy batteries for that model . Not all batteries are the same.
@@marvkwia3973 Gas cars catch fire at a higher rate than EV's... you just don't hear about gas car fires because they're not news. Also, more manufacturers are moving to lithium-iron-phosphate (LFP) which are nearly impossible to set on fire.
The combined cost savings on maintenance and charging adds up quickly, I am so happy with my M3 and will never buy ICE again.
@@aaronstock8544 I sold my M3 to my son, and my wife and I both drive MY's. I agree with you... I wouldn't drive an ICE car even if you gave it to me for free.
As much I dont like queues at charging points this year, I glad that you guys busted this myth. Got EV myself and first time in my life happy do not care about suspicious noises, oil change, discusting smoke around and so on. Just open doors, push couple buttons and drive. Also enjoy supercar like acceleration and power. Great stuff, thank you all, engineers!
African miners thank you.
@@phprofYTThey use cobalt to remove the sulphur, when they're refining petrol and diesel but cobalt mining wasn't mentioned until EVs appeared...🤔 🤫
@@phprofYTcobalt is used to make Dino fuel. But lithium is recycled.
@@phprofYT fossil fuel, hybrids, and full EVs all uses a battery but just different amounts. Regardless, anything that used a battery has ties to African slave labor.
My favorite battery charging explanation was "Imagine a giant double decker stadium and the top deck is full and the bottom deck is empty. All the people represent electrons. A whistle blows and everyone scrambles to get to the bottom deck. At first there are big bottle necks, then the flow starts stabilizing. The deck starts to fill up fast till you get to the final 20%. After you get to the final 20%, most seats are occupied and people spend more time wandering around looking for an empty seat. The less seats left available the harder it is for the "electrons" to find a "hole" to sit down in so it takes longer.
Nice 👌
add beer and hotdogs and then your battery loss is greater
Not quite, we are looking at moving electrons from anode to cathode. These routes are fine. We are ultimately dealing with manufacturer tolerance.
An excellent analogy, now imagine that they don't go from top to bottom in an orderly fashion but push and shove so every time they move up and down some of them get crushed and die (normal charging), then imagine there is a stampede and lots of them are crushed to death (fast charging), this explains why batteries become useless after a number of cycles, no electrons (people) left or not enough to do any work.
Why would the bottleneck at the stadium lessen then stabilise? An hour glass seems to flow at the same rate regardless of the amount of sand on top.
I have the Tesla Model 3 SR+ 2021 made in china. That means it has the LFP battery. According to what I have read I should expect 1 million miles out of the battery. This means it will last me, at my currency utilization, approximately 100 years. My biggest concern is whether my great great grand children will be able to find a replacement that will fit the car in 2123. Keeps me up at night I can tell you!
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The batt would degrade even if it was parked 95% of the time.
This guy knows his stuff. This guy also builds and sells batteries for a living. Would have liked to see a debate format.
I was debating for months now if I should buy an electric car as my new drive. This video absolutely convinced me that it's time to go electric. Thank you! Tesla Model 3 ordered.
I did this time last year. Wouldn't go back.
Fools!
You ordered the best model available right now 👍 340 miles real world at the moment.
Perhaps it would be worth your while to watch some of the ev owner’s videos to get their perspective before you commit to parting with your hard earned money. Furthermore, you also have to factor in the fact that this gentleman business is converting cars to electric. It is not in his best interests to say ev battery life is like a box of chocolates. His interests lie in stating that ev’s are the best thing since sliced bread.
@@andylives5575 christ
As they say, every day is a day at school, that was an education. BRILLIANT, 'Don't Listen to people with Opinions, Listen to People with Experience' thanks Moggy best advice I've heard in over 50 years !! 👍
The problem with that is that even people with experience often have a reason to say what they say. Doing what he does for a living, Moggy isn't going to declare that batteries are rubbish even if they are, right? I mean: he's selling these conversions for a living. He gains financial benefit from telling you what he does. Not saying he's lying but that it's hard to find an independent party these days. Everyone has an agenda.
@@spencerpieters5502 including you.
@@FFVoyager Absolutely! Never ask your questions to a sales guy. Find an independent source.
@@spencerpieters5502 how do you find an 'independent source' on EV battery technology who is not involved in promoting EVs? 🤔
I agree 👍
I took a BMW i3 as a company car back in January 2017 and over the following 4 years racked up 110K miles. Since its main use was a 160+ mile round trip commute, it was frequently getting charged from below 20% back up to 100% twice a day (overnight at home and at work) on an AC charger and I saw very little deterioration in range over that period of time. I did not rapid charge it very often, mainly because of the limited availability at the time.
Did it suffer any battery degradation over that four years?
what are you driving now?
@@whocares264 - EQC 400 and (something for the weekend…) an AMG 35
@@Hybridog - hard to tell cos I tended to drive my commute (A14/M1) with the aim of having less than 10% left when I got there - so I never drove it with maximising mileage in mind…if you get my drift 🤔
@@mick6721 😀
great to have videos with the people that re-use second hand EV batteries! And fascinating to hear that the problem facing lithium battery recyclers is that the batteries are staying in use and so there are very few needing recycled!
Just sold my Leaf at 10 yers old and 55k miles. Lost about 15% of its capacity only. Was very reliable. Only real problem with it was that it never had much range when new so not much less 15% was hard to live with except for very local journeys. This won't be a problem for the current generation of EVs as they all come with bigger batteries.
I have a 2015 Leaf and a 2021 Ioniq5. The battery tech is worlds apart, not just in range/density but conditioning and longevity. Those first Gen Leafs are great value for money as second cars for two car families.
How much did you lose in value though on the vehicle?
It lost about £1200 pa, which isn't bad. But with the limited mileage I did, it makes for about 50p per mile, which dwarfs the 3 p per mile electricity cost.
It lost about £1200 pa, which isn't bad. But with the limited mileage I did, it makes for about 50p per mile, which dwarfs the 3 p per mile electricity cost.
Even without battery temperature management our 2013 Renault Zoe 22Kw got to nearly 100,000 miles and the battery loss was only 9% from new so not too bad either and although we have now sold it (2 years ago) its still going fine as I keep in touch with the new owners.
your publicly admitting to driving a Renault Zoe ??
We had 2 but we dont any more lol @@BullyBoxer
The Zoe had active air cooling in the battery.The Leaf had passive cooling and that caused the problems.
Guess the fact the you can’t DC rapid charge the battery helps with longevity.
@@humphreybradley3060 The Continental version of the motor in the Zoe could be charged at 43 KW on AC.The fans would work hard when that was happening.
My issue is the infrastructure - we are not allowed to charge an EV at home and there are no chargers within 5 miles (and they are also never working). As my wife is disabled we cannot ever have an EV, and it looks like this will be an issue in many flats/social housing as well
These things just take time. When combustion engines were new the only place to buy fuel was from a chemist
who is going to stop you charging your EV at home ?
@@patthewoodboy no off road parking, multi occupancy properties & not enough voltage capacity/infrastructure in some larger urbanised areas. Some electricity supply companies can turn down applications for charger installations
But that is not an EV problem, it is a landlord / infrastructure problem. Also, how do you know your local chargers are not working because you don't have an EV? I simply do not believe that you go and check them daily.
Simple question: How many miles do you drive a day (or a week)? In the Uk the average daily mileage is just 20 miles per day. A typical modern BEV with a battery of around 50kWH can easily do 200 miles, that means you would have to charge only every ten days! If you do less mileage than this, then there is an even longer gap between charges!
That Fireman's Hose analogy is excellent. So easy to understand.
Very good information but the big question is: where are we going to get enough lithium, cobalt, magnesium and copper to power the 3 billion cars on the planet, at current levels of mining it will take thousands of years.
Not to mention the slave labour, the horrifying levels of pollution to produce those batteries.
Did you miss the part about battery recycling ?? Also plenty more mobile phones and watches and laptops and many other rechargeable devices that no one seems worried about mining for
Plenty of lithium in sea water and making headway to cheap extraction, LiFePo don't use cobalt, cars already use a bunch of copper etc. etc.
@@stephaneandhannahb1394do you feel the same about the batteries in your phone and laptop?
Agree. The real green solution is using our current cars for as long as we can and make laws that promote repairability and punish planned obsolescence. Maybe promote greener alternatives for combustion engines like Gas conversions. They were a big thing for awhile and now nobody talks about it. I guess its better to sell a 70K tesla than a 3k conversion kit that will ultimately be better for the environment and end up paying for itself with the reduced fuel costs
So glad to see a proper petrol head like Ped busting these myths. The Fully Charged Show does the same, but they're usually preaching to the converted. Ped's audience is the one that really needs to be re-educated. (I'm a 72 year old life-long petrol head myself)
Thanks Chap 👍
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Very fair review, there is a lot of rubbish spoken about EV’s. I’ve had my Tesla almost 4 years and 60k miles, I’ve lost 3 miles range in that time.
Give it a couple of years and it will drop considerably. You could always buy the £3000 Tesla software update to gain an extra 50 miles range of course.. yep £3k for a software patch.
@tonygarlingewarren7456 Actually, the highest degradation occurs in the first 3 years then levels off.
You know that for a fact do you? or is it just misguided opinion@@tonygarlingewarren7456
Genuine question from a fellow EV owner. How do you know you've lost 3 miles on max range, when my max varies by 60 miles depending how I drove that day? Some days my max is 310 miles, some days it's 250. All depends on what I've been doing. Town driving vs motorway etc.
@@Nick_Smith1970 I always charge to 80%, in the summer I used to get 231 miles range, now I get 228. Not scientific I know, but the point is it’s hardly lost anything.
Watched a few videos now with this guy from wales. He’s a legend with EV knowledge & what he can convert. This is the way forward for many.👍
Thank you for bringing balance into this debate I am a petrol head and was completely anti ev till I watched this. What a pleasure to listen to the views of a properly knowledgeable person. Wanna search for any videos of the conversations that this company is active with
Thanks man. Great to hear 👍
So am I Dave! My last two cars, Audi S5 with a remap to 450 BHP, then a 21 plate Hyundai i30N. I am now a proud owner of a Tesla model 3 Performace. 480 BHP and 0-60 in 3.2. What more does a petrol head need? I spend about 2-3 quid charging every week and do around 100 miles. Trust me, give them a try before you judge them. Oh and Tesla build quality isn’t great, I’ll admit that but get a good warranty and they are good at replacing everything.
There's never been a reason to be anti EV unless you got all your facts our of Jezza Clarksons arse
You can charge an LFP battery to 100%. Due to the different chemistry they're not as energy dense but they can be charged to 100% without the fear of excessive degradation and don't suffer the same fire risks. LFP batteries are currently used in the smaller battery pack EV variants.
LIFEPO4 is used only in China and a limited run in American Tesla.
@@khalidacosta7133due to recently expired patents. They will become the predominsnt battery chemistry for most 'normal' cars in the future.
@@khalidacosta7133all the rear wheel drive models are LFP both model 3 and Y which in the UK and Europe are all made in Shanghai.
MG4 standard range in UK, Tesla model 3 SR+ , others I forget (BYD?) @@khalidacosta7133
@@khalidacosta7133 Every new Tesla RWD sold in the UK for the past couple of years has been LFP.
As a little bonus, What is not mentioned is after your 200,000 mile, you may have lost 10% of your range but you still have ALL of your performance. I wonder how many ICE cars can say that.
How many electric cars still will be running in 16 + years in harsh climates. I think that's the question everyone's asking. My 07 4 runner will still be running another 10 years down the road. It's very low miles.
@@theoracleprodigyI went to school in the 90s, we had woodworking equipment that was running on the same motors that they used in the 60s from the Soviet era. electric motors are way more reliable that internal combustion motors. as far as batteries go, prices for them are constantly going down, it's a made up problem by the luddites for the luddites.
@@EV3NTH888 I have no doubt electric will be great once we sort out batteries. I just doubt our current battery technology. Especially when living in a place that sometimes has a month of -30 degree weather. At that point even our regular batteries don't seem to work well.
@@theoracleprodigy I watched a video from a guy who drives a Rivian in Alaska, it's a 20 percent decrease in range with the current technology. hardly an issue.
@@EV3NTH888 20 percent decrease in range, 10 years last total... for a $45k+ vehicle is not acceptable.
Thanks from a Canadian viewer. Excellent, unbiased information. Appreciate you simplifying things for me.
Unbiased was my call...perhaps "experienced user" is a better term. I'll bet many who shoot down electric cars like Tesla haters have never experienced driving one.
Glad it was helpful!
Great vid. Own a bolt from Jan 6th 2017. Only had 7% loss from 130k miles before warranty battery from the recall for fires. I believe the first 4-5 % was first year in 30k miles, so it slows way down. Also I have my car timed to be a full charge 1hr before I leave for work. It is never fully charged for long periods of time. If i didnt need the whole battery, or most of it , I would only charge to 80%. Those 2 items also help for a long battery life.
EVs are a scam battery energy density is between 200-500wh/kg, hydrogen and petrol energy density is 39000wh/kg and 13000wh/kg you cannot match these in 1000years
Had a Leaf from new for 4 years, done 80k miles in it and home charge to 100% most nights. Battery at 92% capacity using Leaf spy and has been for the last year. They seem to lose around 5% in the first year and then 1% each year after that. Im told it will plateau at around 90% for the next 100k miles then it's performance will start to drop off faster. But the useful life will be around 250k +. I can live with that as im saving £2500 a year on diesel after paying for the electricity. Its also a pleasure to drive with the smoothness of a Jaguar and id know cos ive owned 6 of them.
Thanks, but I'd rather stick with the Jag.
@@severnsea With an unlimited supply of cash, so would I.
@@stevendavis7079 Yeah, a very dear friend mine used too own a long series of Jags.... fortunately he had a (nearly) unlimited supply of cash. They still managed to part him from a significant portion of that cash.
Future Jags will be EVs anyway.@@severnsea
@@rogerphelps9939 Won't make any difference to me.
Probably should have read the Tesla warranty - the battery will be replaced if it falls below 70%. The company specifies its batteries will retain at least 70 percent of their original capacity (also known as 30 percent degradation) during the warranty period (typically 8 years). Moreover, it is more or less normal to suffer 5% degradation in the first year of normal use and thereafter it can vary due to a number of factors. By the way for a model Y the EPA rating is 212 miles which is only 340 km. In other words as long as the vehicle, which is rated by Tesla at 303 miles, can do 212 miles its covered. Now place that vehicle in a hot climate or a cold climate and you'll find the 212 miles drops further. I can tell you from personal experience of a model 3 in both a hot and cold country, by using aircon you can severely impact performance by as much as 30% e.g. in the case of the model Y (with degrade battery), you might be down to a range of 150 miles or 240km. In my case I can tell you in northern Sweden I could barely get 200 miles when new, let alone with a degraded battery (I moved it on in less than a year). Honesty is important in these discussions and your mate has a clear conflict of interest.
I live in central Wisconsin, USA and see the same wintertime issues here, namely severe range issues for basically 1/2 the year. Coupled with basically no towing capacity for contractors towing trailers. I'm not totally down on EV's for southern climes, puttin' around town, but no one ever talks about their real limitations. And we haven't even discussed lack of charging stations and not even inability of the grid to produce all this electricity, with fossil fuels or nuclear, let alone renewables. Wind and solar will not for the foreseeable future will not supply the grid, without severe long term pollution results. I always like to ask EV owners how they like their nuclear and coal powered cars. The look on their faces is priceless.
@@larryflor1696 Americans like to believe that the world doesnt exist outside their little bubble. Here in Australia most homes have solar. Since I bought my model 3, I have been essentially running it off solar. Same for most people I know. Even if you were running it off coal powered electricity, that is more resource efficient than the equivalent petrol/diesel that is shipped to the servo and then burnt in your car.
What's said in this video is correct information however, if you buy a breakers yard engine, you can rebuild it at home, you can buy a old stock new engine for many cars and it's usually much less than £10k regardless you can repair it at home. The level of danger, certification and regulation around repairing EV batteries stops the DIY car enthusiast from doing his own repairs not to.mention the software used on these cars won't allow you to charge the car unless its been repaired, reset and programmed correctly. Proprietary battery management systems are a nightmare for the DIY guy.
Excellent video. This should be a public information film. The "talk to people with experience rather than opinions" thing applies to life in general but we tend to seek confirmation rather than illumination - a cause of so much that is wrong these days.
Thank You 🙏🏻
I bought a Nissan Leaf through my company Salary Sacrifice. Enjoyed the car immensely, and therefore decided to purchase the car after the Lease Period I have now had the car for almost 5 years (98800 miles) and out of nowhere an alarm appeared on the dash, warning of Battery EV Fault, and that the car would shut down, which is exactly what it did in the middle of traffic. This occurred roughly 6 months ago. I had the Breakdown service help me, but the Engineer ran a diagnostic test on the car and found some errors, and then unplugged the 12V Battery. Ran the tests and the car came up with no errors, and the car started again. I decided to not to chance anything and therefore decided to contact the Nissan Dealer to investigate the issue on the vehicle. They found no issues on the car after running a diagnostic test, and therefore decided to service the car and replace the 12V Battery costing me in region of £350. 2 weeks later the same thing happened again. I got the car to the garage, of which they couldn't find the problem, but the car started again. I decided to contact NISSAN GB, and warned both Nissan Dealer and Nissan GB that this very dangerous and felt that the car should be recalled. 2 Weeks later and again, the car breaks down in the middle of traffic. Again Nissan, couldn't find the issue. I opened a case with Nissan GB reporting of the problem, who they they communicated further with the dealer who I took the car to. The Nissan Dealer then advised me that they seeked advice from their Master Tech, who stated it could be a problem with one or 2 of the cells in the Lithium Battery, but it would cost £750 to run a test, and if it it is a cell that is damaged and needs replacing will cost in region of £3500 per cell to replace! To make things worse the Nissan Dealer has stated that they will not fix the issue as the potential damage does not fall under the 5 Yr/100000mile Warranty. They have mentioned that the fine print is that NISSAN will only replace the battery if it has degraded more than 10% within this period? I believe the car is now 100% degraded which they are arguing against. NISSAN GB on the other hand have now closed the case. I have tried to contact them on why they have close the case, Their explanation is that the battery cannot be fixed under the warranty and have gone with the advice of the NISSAN Dealer that I would need to tow the car to their Master Tech at my own expense and get the reparations done at my own account. The car is still at the Nissan Dealer waiting for me to make a decision. I am lost on what options I have, and would like to seek advice on where to go from here. It is very important people understand that buying an electric car is not as reliable as what people may think. The technology is very new, and a warning to those considering buying a used EV!
I am an old git but you're never too old to learn. Very intuitive and it has me thinking. Keep up the good work both you and moggy. 👍👍 a thumbs up each 😄
Not sure how much of an "old git" you are lol but I bought my first EV at 63, best car I have had, 22,000 miles a year, sometimes 400+ a day, saved me a fortune!
Thanks, will do!
Lifelong petrolhead but now an EV convert. Dubious green issues aside, they are great as a daily driver, fast, smooth quiet. Still keep a classic ICE for weekends mind ;)
I am a nailed on Jag fan and loved my Jaguars, but my Tesla is the best car I’ve owned. I am so disappointed that Jaguar have not gone down the EV route. Electing to have a third-party build a car with a jaguar badge, stuck on the front.
Totally agree 👍
@@ouethojlkjn You're kidding right?? The iPace is 100% designed by Jaguar just assembled by Magna Steyr in Austria. As I understand it, Magna Steyr are building the Merc G Class, Jag iPace & EPace and some of the BMW 5 Series cars. These still belong to the respective marques. Having someone who specialises in build only is a natural progression of production engineering.
Same here! My 98th car was an EV and I love them so much more than gas cars… I have a 2017 Chevy Bolt with 250 miles range. Love love it. And yes l still have a few Petrol cars.
@@OilymoAre they even still making the iPace? 😂😂😂 It was supposed to be a “Tesla killer”. ROFLMAO It is not even remotely close, (which is reflected in sales). I test drove one extensively and it was a huge fail compared to my Tesla in so many areas that really matter.
I like the way you manage to dumb it down , no technical data , no studies references, keep it simple and select your audience.
Thanks 🙏🏻
@@PetrolPedI admire your generosity.
You mean for the hard of thinking?
lol. Op wasn’t paying a compliment.
this video was very informative and helpful , l am tossing up wether to buy electric or stick with an engine and all the questions i had regarding electric cars you have just answered many thanks , one more piece of advice please i am thinking about the mokka e , what do you think i watched your review on it any advice would be appreciated many thanks Derek.
Glad it was helpful!
Our 2019 Model 3P has absolutely minimal degradation, and has been basically perfect since day 1. I will NEVER EVER buy another ICE car. NOT EVER. Yes we look after it, only very rarely charge above 90% and mostly less than 80%. In four years, I have spent ZERO on maintaining it- (have rotated tyres and flushed the brake fluid myself- though even that was not really necessary as it still tested fine.)
Cracking video. So.. where I am now. Electric cars are fast, reliable and practical. The problem is the infrastructure. If only the UK had a proper Government that cared about things like that instead of lining their own pockets.
Indeed 👍
You can hear a British moaning from 5 miles away!!!! There are not perfect goverments anywhere in the world. I will vote you if you go for the next elections.
The best advice I have heard in a long time and it applies to everything not just electric cars; "Don't listen to opinions, Listen to experience." Very well said! Thank you.
Thanks 🙏🏻
No doubt the best, understandable explanation on charging I've seen/listened to from the myriad videos available. Thank you for the well founded advice and the added touch of humor and real life input. Cheers!
Thanks 🙏🏻
My wifes Smart ForFour EQ will be 4 years old in September, it has currently done 22k. As we have recently purchased it I had a battery condition report done by Mercedes for peace of mind. The print out showed it still has 96% of its original battery capacity and all individual cells were in top condition. I would recommend that any purchaser of a used EV car insists on a battery condition report at time of purchase.
4 months ago 5 year old Merc EV. Dealer priced 8t at 5k for trade in but didn't want it as it would need a new battery pack according to their workshop check. 13k for a new pack making a used 5 year old Merc at 11k cost 18k . Fact!
Try selling it. No one wants them. They are horrendously not eco friendly.
@@scaryfakevirus 100 miles a week it’ll be 30 to 40 years old before it pays its carbon debt.
Nice 👌
10 Years + $20,000 = 2000LBS. of e-waste 🤡per car
I like to explain EV reliability by comparing it to vacuum cleaner or refrigerator reliability. Even my lawn mower is electric, starts every time without fail, and never serviced. Batteries and battery management were a let down, but most makes of vehicles have brought up the reliability tremendously.
If car makers would make a battery pattern size like an AA or AAA battery that you could easily swap when its worn out by a new one and recycle the old, they could improve on the tech and make the battery even better when time comes to change. that would make ev a lot more appealing@
Fridge with a battery?
Had a Ryobi electric lawn mower and it died after 5 lawns. 😂
The main issue I have with them is that for work i semi frequently need to drive 3-400 miles for a 1-2 hour meeting before returning home. Until every parking space has a charger, it’s unlikely to be an option. As ultimately going electric means 1 long day becomes 2 long days due to charging- I work so I can have time with my family not time at a service station charging a car. I’d love to have one for the fun of it but having to fork out over my annual salary for one with a decent range, only for it to take more of my free time and add more stress to my life, I just don’t need that in my life.
Try Teams? Sounds a flippant response, but perhaps you are looking at your situation in the wrong way. Just a thought.
@@wrutherfordx3xyeh it’s very flippant. You need to understand that different jobs come with different constraints, the constraints you work to are different to others - hence there are many products out there to help all kinds of people. Hence my stance is that I love them but they won’t work for me. UK British standards (best practices) put certain requirements in place for certain rolls and responsibilities. One such requirement applied to many construction industry workers is that a site visit is conducted prior to the work taking place. On the projects I work on which are planned often years in advance you need to do frequent visits over the lead up to the execution phase to see how the site is changing. You can’t do that on teams. If it’s a discussion to go over a contract or something simple then absolutely, and I do use teams for that. But it isn’t the reality of the world that teams can be used for everything it helps reduce the number of journeys but by no means eliminates them. And when your employer gets an efficiency saving by saving you 3-5 hours they assign new work and don’t keep you satisfied on your ass (unless you work for the government) Since online meetings became more common place I take on more project at the same time because I have more time Meaning Mondays I’m travelling to Aberdeen by Wednesday I’m in Southampton and Friday I’m heading 300 miles home With an EV I either have to have a car that doubles as an office or 3 days extra a week for charging (not to mention £700 a month pay bump to pay for it)
Buy the lucid, it goes over 500 miles on a charge, if you can afford it lol. But it is a sweet car.
It takes 40 mins to charge. Drive there, charge and have your meeting then drive home 🤷♂️
Hi, very nice 20min, learned a lot! Thank you! I would like you to address the LFP. can/should we recharge to 100%, everyday or once a week, fast charging... and so on. It would ve very interesting a comparison between standard litium and LFPs. Thank you!
I have and know many people with electric cars. No-one moans about batteries (degradation) except perhaps charge speeds at rapid/ultra chargers (over 50kw/h), but that's because the software is looking after the battery. If they moan about anything it's usually the software on the infotainment or the need to override the lane-assist (NCAP related) which usually isn't fit for purpose for many British roads. That'd be the same for modern petrol cars.
We have a second hand BMW i3 with over 100,000km and nearly 10 years old. Recent battery test showed 97% of new capacity. A good battery management and cooling system makes all the difference :)
Great to hear 👍
Very nice but you are only talking about 10 years. That does not make a serious challenger for a fuel car.
BMW'S Are known for quality
@@Jamie-Z Ever watched Top Gear do dyno tests on old petrol sports cars to see how much power and efficiency they had lost? And that was a show CELEBRATING "fuel" cars. Keep up.
@@Jamie-ZTrue, and 10 yrs to clock up 100,000 km is a gentle life
Spot on observations, our 2016 Tesla X P100 w/140k miles gets 249mi range vs 260mi when new- as predicted. Had many naysayers tell me it would die after 100k miles, battery would be shot, etc etc and so far, it’s been the best running, most reliable car we’ve ever owned. We have 2 Model X’s and no plans to ever part with them. Also own ICE vehicles so I’m no Tesla sellout- just pragmatic car owners.
I'm driving gasoline cars. And yes, 20 years ago you might need to do something with the engines. But for the past 15 years, beside regular oil change and ones in a while brake pads, everything I've needed to do in my cars has been electronics related. Nothing with any mechanical moving parts.
AND I've replaced batteries several times for less than $200 every time. My 2006 BMW Z4 still like new, my 2008 Infinity G37 is even better, and my 2014 BMW X3 is absolutely GREAT, AND all 3 of them bought used cost me less than a single EV. And none of them have ever gone up in flames, so I am not worried at all. Actually in my 80 years I have never seen a gas car go up in flames.
So? Nothing in this video contradicts that. Some people smoke all their lives and never get lung cancer, others lose their lives. There are few absolutes. What you've got to keep in mind are averages, and likelihoods.
My 2015 Tesla Model S 75D had a new range listed at 240 miles. It now has a range of 220 miles.Thats 8.3 % less in 8 years and 102k miles
Thanks for sharing. And of course there has been significant improvement in BMS and battery tech since then; 2015 Tesla were early models and have learnt a lot since then.
I own a 2022 Model Y. No observable degradation but early days. Super charged only a few times. At all other times keep battery between 20 and 80 percent. One thing I noticed is much better winter performance compared to a friend with BMW iX
BYD requires LFP batteries to be charged to 100% every six months documented in the service manual as regular maintenance. Edit: ...in order to recalibrate the BMS.
You can safely charge an LFP battery to100% all the time if you wish.
@@FullFact548 LFP are more resistant to degradation and can tolerate frequent 100% charging. However there remains some advantage to charging within the 20-80% in between times. Maybe you want the pack to last 25 years! The 100% charging approach is to help the BMS keep track of true capacity.
@MrAdopado I don't believe that to be the case for LFP batteries as it is for NMC or NCA batteries. It's not just that the battery chemistry is more stable but also tolerates far more charge cycles, which extends their longevity considerably. Some people suggest fully charging and discharging NMC/NCA batteries once or twice a year to balance the cell voltages, but I am unaware of that being necessary for LFP batteries. However, I am not a battery chemist, so I could be wrong. 25 years of normal driving should be easily possible, if not longer.
Excellent explanation for novices. Since LFP batteries are gaining ground very fast, could you do a short video to explain best chargindg habits bewtween LFP and NMC chemistry in batteries?
Sure thing!
@@PetrolPed Please do clarify the difference between LFP and LNMC because, despite the impression given here, LFP batteries CAN be charged to 100% without problems, in fact, Tesla recommend that you do this from time to time. Trouble is, that as of now, LFP batteries are only made in China (patent issue til recently, now gone), and not all Chinese made cars have LFP. BYD - yes, Tesla - standard range - yes; long range - no.
Absolutely brilliant.. We've just acquired a new Kia Niro EV for our son on his motability scheme. I'm now much more confident we made a good choice. Thanks guys.
I have a Niro EV press car this week. Very good car 👍
Love your perspective. Im a total petrohead, love the sound of a cross plane crank or 3 rotor engine. I also love electricity too. Id rather use a 3ph pressure washer than deal with a diesel driven pump. Same with yard tools and power tools, rather use ego 56v yard tools than small gas. My cheap model 3 fits the bill for commuting and convenience. Diversity works for financial portfolio and I think it applies to cars too, 3x f150 seems as stupid and 3x teslas. Americans are lucky to be able to afford multiple cars tho. Appreciate gearheads like you being openinded.
Brilliant video. Thank you for taking the time to do this. What a great knowledge Moggy has and he is able to explain things in understandable ways to the techno spanners (me). Will definitely go and search out his website now.
Glad you enjoyed it 👍
Info that may help someone. My wife owns Nissan Leaf 2016, 30kWh and 250.000km (156.000mi). SOH of the battery fell to 58%, range about 80km (50mi), in sub zero temperature it doesn't work at all. This car battery was abused, charged mostly on quick chargers, overheated randomly since it was a test vehicle for charging stations repairs and testing. Dealer wanted over 30,000€ for a new battery so I bought it cheaply. I guess, it would easily do 300,000 miles if used properly. I'm replacing the cells with slightly used ones from VW ID4, all materials will cost me about 2,500€. Maybe I'll use the leftover cells for home storage. Nissan Leafs are good for commuting to work and home, not meant for long travels. Batteries would be good, but they lack thermal management. This video is very informative and a must watch for every EV owner.
Thank you for the information!! As a Volvo XC40 Recharge owner in the US I found this so interesting and powerful!!! Be well....
Thanks, you too!
Moggy always explains stuff so well and in an easy to understand way. Hopefully cleared up some myths as well
The guy has a vested interest in promoting EV's as his business is EV conversion of ICE cars. So clearly he is going to paint a rosy picture of everything EV.
No myths busted here, the mechanic confirmed that battery degradation is real over time and excess use. Most EV owners are clueless about car maintenance and abuse their vehicles, excessive charging use and overall carelessness.
@@coreybishop3768 I don't think he painted a rosy picture, just told the truth. He agreed batteries do degrade but nowhere near as much as people think and he even agreed older cars will degrade more. The truth is if you're buying a modern EV you'll never likely have to replace the battery.
@@coreybishop3768 the 200,000 mile 90% degradation figure Moggy quoted is published and widely reported data from Tesla. It’s data from early Model S and Model X cars that had done over 200k miles. So old technology compared to current batteries. As a businessman selling expensive classic EV conversions with a high social media profile Moggy could lose a hard earned reputation if his statements weren’t based on fact.
Cheers Guys 👍
Another great video, as always Moggy is able to use simple comparisons between ‘combustion engine’ terminology and how that equates to the electric world. The interaction and banter between the two of you, is always fun to watch. Keep up the good work - both of you.
Thank you!
But is it thectruth?
@@Anonymous-ib8so Nope. It's a cope. EVs suck hard.
EVs are a scam battery energy density is between 200-500wh/kg, hydrogen and petrol energy density is 39000wh/kg and 13000wh/kg you cannot match these in 1000years
Love the 'Lithium Battery Fire Blanket' in the background! Only kidding, interesting content, cheers.
I'm driving a 2nd hand 2015 Volvo V60 PHEV D6 since 5 years with 140.000 miles on the clock. When I bought the car it was on 90K miles and the battery was on 96%. The majority of the 50K I drove the car were short distances from which almost all fully electric. And now after 5 years I still have about 90% battery-capacity. So I can confirm that these guys are right with what they are claiming.
Some people say they will never buy an EV and then repeat the anti EV myths. The honest ones say "I cannot afford one".
Good point 👍
I could afford one, but I have no interest in buying one.
@@nothing0062 in which case it seemed a rather pointless post.......
Gained a lot of respect for you over these last couple ev videos. You are keeping an open mind, but also a healthy dose of ev skepticism. Combined with your own real use experiences and very honest open conversations with actual industry experts. Top shelf stuff imo. 👍🏻😎
Wow thanks for this 🙏🏻 I try and bring a balance. Next Mondays video is about diesel engines 😜👍
Very biased conversation from an EV salesman. No mention of the massive losses in battery charge and range in hot and cold temperatures. EVs are terrible both hot and cold climates. It's a scam and there isn't enough power stations to run EVs for any nation.
@@PetrolPed haha well imo we need more honest balanced journalism just like this, sprinkled with some dry whit. Seasoned with real world questions and a more mature perspective from actual real world ev user experience. I may not watch your ice stuff (owned 80+of those in 41 years) but I'll gladly watch all your ev content especially with that car nut moggy. 👍🏻😎
@@PetrolPedlooking forward to this as I think the politicians jumped on the EV train too early! Buy the right engine for your trips, EVs for inner cities and semi local trips (until charging infrastructure catches up at least), petrol for the mid to long journeys - shorter commutes) and diesel for load lugging or high mileage users. I saw (couple weeks back) a 3 year old diesel Passat on AUTO TRADER coming up on 105k miles, a really good buy in my opinion. All motorway miles, the perfect engine for that sort of use. No EV is going to touch that on simplicity of use, not yet anyway! No mention on how the newer iron phosphate batteries should be / actually like being fully charged regularly (unlike Lithium ion). One for another vieod
@@BombSponge I guess Mercedes Volvo and VW don't have as smart people as you and can't see "the scam" when they announce making only EVs in few years.
I loved driving my Tesla but all this talk of degradation, the depreciation I suffered, plus the small but significant risk of damage leading to catastrophic failure means I'll wait a while longer for my next one.
Lovely video. Thank you for this. One question. It is said that the best way to make a battery last long is to homecharge it with a 7 kwt charger. How would charging with a 11 kwt or even a 22 kwt charger, that is quite more timeefficient, influence the battery over time compared to the 7 kwt?
Charging at 11 or 22kW is fine. However most homes can’t charge at that high rate, hence 7kW being the popular choice.
Pedro, this video was Goldilocks! Great to have straight talk from credible experts. Shout out to Moggy and crew. Really miss Vintage Voltage, have cycled through both seasons a couple times.
Thank you 🙏🏻
EVs are a scam battery energy density is between 200-500wh/kg, hydrogen and petrol energy density is 39000wh/kg and 13000wh/kg you cannot match these in 1000years
After dealing with industrial machines id think the inverters/electronics are more likely to have a shorter lifespan than the battery packs themselves
Correct, I’m involved in sun power and wind energy farms. The small electronics is a “liability” and most probably will break down within 15-20 years, but also easily repaired at quite low cost than the big expensive components.
Electronics has a mean time between failures of 100,000 hours or so. That is around 100,000 times 40 equals 4 million miles. If a car does 200,000 miles through its life that is actualy only 5000 hours of operation.
@@rogerphelps9939 100,000 hours is 12 years and thats the average time, some will last more and others less Its hard to actually say how long they will actually last because they are always on, the most likely part to fail electronic wise is the battery controllers
No. The average car gets something like 250 hours of use per annum (10,000 miles at 40 mph). You do not count the time that it is switched of. Granted some bits are always on but they are a small part of the whole and very low power. 100,000 hours is equivalent to 400 years.@@user-super-user
@@rogerphelps9939 we are talking electric cars here... you cant 100% turn them off so they are always drawing some power as some circuits are always running
The biggest problem with the battery being expensive is that the car will also be old and not very valuable so no one will do it. The car will go to the wreckers.
Great and informative video for me as im looking to maybe buy the new BYD seal AWD which has byds new blade battery in but nervous about the future ie how long it lasts for ? what if you are driving through extremely heavy rain with deep surface water is this going to kill the car ? Are the motors and battery fully sealed, waterproof ? would be interested in some facts please. Many thanks.
That was the first information I have seen about batteries where someone actually knew what they were talking about. So informative and valuable. Really appreciate the effort than you. Totally changed my opinion about electric cars. Right though about electric motors, I was a maintenance a reliably chartered engineer in in the oil industry for over 40 years, loved the maintenance free electric motors and hated reciprocating drivers.
Great to hear. Thanks 🙏🏻
OK I will thanks.@@petemiller519
Might not becthectruth though. He sells EVs so how objective and truthful is he?
@@Anonymous-ib8so Do you always call people liars without justification? That said if you were technically minded you could have known he was being objective and truthful.
@Anonymous-ib8so Do you need someone who‘‘s never set foot in an ev to believe him or is any ev-hater a valid enough source?
It may be coming but I have to say I will be sticking to the ICE for as long as possible, although at my age a quality ICE or EV may well outlast me. I did 235,000 miles in my vivaro van before selling it to an old colleague who, instead of using it for bits for one of his vans actually continued to use mine. The only other issue for me is that I would like to do up a van for touring, which would have leisure batteries for general use, likely charged by the alternator rather than PV (although may have some PV too). If it was an electric van I would either need to carry a generator and some fuel or I would need to recharge as I travel, which in some locations may not be an option. As an electrical engineer I can confirm that the degradation of the batteries is about right, we generally request no more than 10% loss over a ten year period for UPS systems in the data centre design. There is only the one major drawback for EV cars and that is infrastructure, a place to charge if you live in flats etc where there may not be sufficient access to your own charger. Perhaps we will achieve levitation too so that they can be charged from your balcony 😂
I stick to beaters, pay for car 500-1000 euro drive few years then scarp it and get another one. Works best for me. I dont see how its saving money to pay 50000+ euro for EV and goverments will tax them its just a matter of time. Also probably insurance gonna be very high on those since whos gonna cover batreries in case of crash? EV is ok as second car and most who has EV have it as second car + owning house. Young people in rented place will be forced to walk once ban on ICE cars happens..
Remember how much you have to pay for an EV to start with. Then look at resale values which drop dramatically quite quickly.
Well done, mate. It would be interesting to watch this video in 20 years time and see what has happened to the myths.
Excellent piece. I love the concept of don't listen to opinion, listen to experience. Says it all
Thanks 🙏🏻
Brilliant, thank you. I'll be sharing this about. When I was considering a new car at the beginning of 2023, I came across your channel & it really helped in the decision-making process. Your critical but balanced view was extremely helpful. In June, took delivery of a BMW iX1 (I am or rather was a Brit -thank you, Brexit - and I do live in Bavaria). I hadn't even sat in any EV before the showroom handover. Now you couldn't get me to even consider an ICE again, although at 69, I don't expect to need to buy another car again. Yes, expensive, and I had to make compromises (towing weight), but the driving pleasure now in 2023, is even greater than when I got my first used £300, 6 Volt VW Beetle based, Beach Buggy in 1972. One of the nicer explanations of the 0-100% charging issues was comparing it to a multi-storey car park at a shopping centre: early on Saturday morning you drive in and straight into a bay, as morning progresses you need to search about & by 11am you are spending ages driving around to find a slot. That's the process that happens when you charge - ions find their way easily to start with and then increasingly have to slow down to dock into a cell. And for the battery degradation, it's like a well poured, unfiltered Bavarian wheat beer: the Battery with its gross/net capacity is the same as the large foam head and the last centimetre at the bottom of the glass with the yeast that you don't drink - and this is where the degradation largely takes place, especially in the first 5-10 years, not in the main body. Greetings to Sussex - I last lived near Petworth, so nice to watch some of your reviews just for the scenery!
That would be great. Thanks 🙏🏻
This video is a breath of fresh air compared to the endless number of those floating around the web spouting gloom and doom. Very thorough. Not a lot of detail or experience with extreme temperatures (ie freezing cold), but a giant step forward in spreading truth rather than fiction. Thank you. I’m sending links to glass half empty friends.
Thanks bud. Share away 👍
My experience working in the automotive industry with electric cars in the United States. The one setback has been people owning them in winter climates where they use a lot of salt in things on road 😅
Here in the Colorado mountains, many of Ski area parking accomodate EVs with free Charge hook ups.. There can be twenty to thirty EVs in a row charging some..
EVs are a scam battery energy density is between 200-500wh/kg, hydrogen and petrol energy density is 39000wh/kg and 13000wh/kg you cannot match these in 1000years
Here in eastern Canada we also have a ton of salt on our roads, and nearly 20% EV market penetration in my province. Salt is not a real issue if the car lives outside in a climate about minus five (25F) or colder, as the salt doesn't cause oxidation until temps are above freezing. When it gets to that temp or warmer, a good underbody wash is key, but it's not going to mess up an EV any more than a fossil vehicle. So really, I mark that down to fear mongering / anti-EV posturing, by the fossils.
@@michaelschneider- I feel like EVs would be fun up and down mountains
@@humbleindian6303Maybe so. But how much carbon per KG/Mile are said vehicles churning out? ICE cars are horrendous for the environment. Modern cars are better but all the older diesel / petrol cars are disgraceful. It’s not us that will pay, it’s the future generation, they will all have COPD by the time they’re 30 years old. We must make changes! I’m not saying electric is for everyone, it’s not quite there yet. But we need to stop demonising those who have stepped across to EV.
I do forklifts which use L-Ion batteries in some cases. We are planning to use the batteries for ten years across two five year leases with some customers. This is allowing for a daily discharge/recharge including use in cold stores ( -22 degrees C).
Interesting 👍
This is very helpful. Learned a few things...didnt think batteries could be refurbed, for some reason. ...also, i was under the impression that having your battery charged to 100 all the time was good for it! I presume that applies to phones as well. Unlike my kids , i keep a phone till it doesnt work....
Great to hear 👍
Very informative video, thank you. My first EV was a 10 year old Peugeot Ion and its battery was degraded to 70% of its original capacity. In town use you could get max 60 miles in summer and half that in winter, or less if you really caned the heater. Needless to say I always charged it to 100%! I now have a new e-Up with 32kWh battery. I still charge it to 100% because the winter range is only 110 miles and I find charging is a faff (wet dirty cable in the dark, ugh) and b) it's a lease car so it's someone else's problem when I'm done with it. In reality it will be the third or fourth owner at 8 to 10 years old who might find it's slightly more degraded than one that's been lovingly wrapped in cotton wool and kept between 20 and 80% all its life. But by the sound of this video we're talking a few percentage points not double digits degradation... so who cares.
The maintenance on our PHEV Mitsubishi Outlander requires a battery optimization every 25 000km. They asses the battery and they reprogram it, maybe to avoid draining it too low and charging it too much. When we plug it in at home we dont program anything , the battery management does it itself. We do that and after 6 years we see a bit of degradation but not that much. We prefer hybrid, no hassle on long trips and we avoid charging on the go. The public is still waiting to see what long term use and value of electric cars will be, at least the electric cars sales are still going. Thanks for this educational video.
Very well explained totally agree with everything he’s said, I’ve just passed my level 3 in IMI EV maintenance just to add you can change the cells individually to take your battery back up to 100 percent More cost effective than changing the whole batter, EVs are great it’s the infrastructure that needs to catch up
Thanks 🙏🏻
Cleveleys in Gloucestershire, have been carrying out battery refurbishments for years.......
They are not green nor is changing the infrastructure.
Still a mystery why anyone would spend a fortune to wipe off half the value of their classic car,crazy!
Because it doesn’t 🧐👍
Bollocks@@PetrolPed
What a wonderfully comprehensive conversation!
Thanks 🙏🏻
Love the bright red “lithium battery fire blanket” hanging on the wall behind the speaker.
Great video. A Chevy Bolt in Quebec Canada has over 430,000 kms -- 267,000 miles -- on the original, non-recall battery, and he says it only has about 4-5% degradation. The Bolt has battery, motor, and electronics cooling. The battery also uses the a/c system to cool it when overly warm from driving or charging. I don't charge my 2023 Bolt euv over 90% (which shows as a real 88%), as the math shows that GM didn't program in a top or bottom buffer into the battery. Even on level-3 charging -- which I don't do often as I don't need to -- my Bolt's charging rate slows after 50%, and drastically after 80%, no matter how much the charger can put out. Anyone I've talked to who has an EV, and researched them before buying, loves them: including myself. After I bought my Bolt I realized I had stopped driving my ICE cars, and sold them: a 1990 Volvo 240DL wagon, an '84 Benz 240d, and an '04 VW Jetta tdi wagon.
Brilliant! There is a ton of anti-EV nonsense on KZhead and other media right now which needs challenging and correcting. As the man says 'talk to people who have experience of owning an EV'.
Exactly 👍
Indeed, we need to bring about/cultivate a situation where potentially dubious EV advice or claims are confronted or questioned. A sort of - " do you actually have/own/ use an EV?" If the answer comes back as no, then it ought to be met with a hearty bugger off.
Theses guys are very good at what they do. They are the guys who converted the VW Karmann Ghia that I sold to a chap from Derry NI Whilst it was technically a brilliant achievement … I cried that they did it to a car I had owned for 19 years which was in perfect condition with a “new” refurbished engine. A beautiful historical classic which was destroyed by the conversion. You can argue against this, but cars are subjective, not objective things to own and cherish.
Great video guys. No nonsense expert advice. That's exactly what we need. Keep up the good work.
Thanks! 👍
I think its more where the lithium comes from and how it is mined that is the problem as well as fire risk and charge times.
Most of the World's lithium comes from Australia, and the South American "triangle" of Argentina, Bolivia and Chile. China produces around a 3rd of Australia's output. The fire risk is statistically around 60 times *less* than petrol cars. I charge my EV up in 12 seconds. Six seconds to plug it in at night, and a further six seconds to unplug it in the morning. I'm asleep for the bit in the middle, so that's irrelevant. I charge up around every 8 to 9 days.
@@Brian-om2hh Poor Australian children being sent down mines ;)
@@djtaylorutube 🤣🤣🤣
Great video! Super happy I found your channel! We are on our 2nd EV...first one was a 2023 Kona EV - we put 48,000km on it in 10 months! Fantastic car...we now have an Ioniq 5 AWD Ultimate trim and it is a lovely car! I am a car guy and love to drive and still have a couple of classics and a Toyota RAV4....they barely get driven! The EV gets all the attention! Yes I struggle with discussions with people who have opinions on EV's but 0 experience. In any case we will never buy another ICE vehicle....the EV gets the win! Cheers Mike
Dave Takes It On, Electric Vehicle Man and Fully Charged are also well worth a look too Michael......
Welcome 👍
had to watch it twice for the good info, I was enjoying the chemistry between these two guys too much!!
Great to hear. Thanks 🙏🏻
Great video! Next myth hunting, fire hazards in EVs.
Great presentation and on-air chemistry! For next in the series can we ask: 1) When will charging speeds fill a deplenished EV vehicle in under 5 minutes? 2) Best methods to put out an EV battery fire.
Great suggestion!
Question one will become academic in a few weeks, with Nio launching their ES6 with a range of 578 miles from its 150kW solid state battery. Toyota claim their solid state battery, which should be available next year, offers a 745 mile range and a recharging time of ten minutes, so presumably Nio's battery will offer similar recharge times. Perhaps then the Luddites will stop bleating about charging times and range. It's claimed that the solid state battery will last for 10,000 cycles, so the ES6 will be able to cover nearly six million miles before its battery needs replacing, making most of the discussion in this video redundant. Exciting times
For most people the 5 min charge is not needed - as for most people charging will be done overnight on a home charger - you need to think it's like having a fuel station at home. I met a Mercedes EQC owner at a rapid charger recently and he had his car for over 1 year and it was his FIRST charge away from home.
2) Any class b fire extinguisher.
Great vid Pete !! It’s nice to get a real expert like Moggy’s opinion on charging / batteries etc. 👍🏻🇨🇦
Thanks 👍
As an electrical engineer with over 40 years industry experience, my main concern regarding EVs is the fact that the batteries experience thermal runaway, causing explosions, intense fires or both.
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Great video, really loved it guys genuine info from seasoned people in the know, total respect to you.
Glad you enjoyed it!