Roger Penrose: "Time Has No Beginning And Big Bang Wrong"
2023 ж. 11 Шіл.
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The Big Bang theory suggests that the universe emerged out of nothing, signifying the beginning of the universe. Before this, there was nothing - no time, no space. However, what if I told you that time doesn't exist and that the Big Bang Theory is incorrect? Recent discoveries made by the James Webb Telescope provide evidence that challenges the validity of the Big Bang Theory
"We have no idea how the universe works." There, I condensed it for you
In my case I don’t even know how this video works or for that matter this Ipad works, so I am ahead of the curve.
I liked a quotation from Juvenal upon exiting a senate meeting in ancient Rome. It went along the lines of: "We have not reached an accord, but we now have a much deeper and refined appreciation of the reasons that an accord cannot be reached." This position is probably also applicable in science; the journey has a purpose, even if the destination is uncertain or unattainable.
Thank You…you took the Words Right Outta my Mouth🤑👍
Once you've gotten a degree in something it becomes physically impossible to admit you don't know something. Cut them some slack please.
@@viktoriyaserebryakov2755 Ha!
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(Slow Clap)You said a whole lot of nothing.
As a Human Being, I can appreciate the fact that some questions simply cannot, and will never be, answered. Our passion for finding meaning simply keeps us entertained while we journey through the small bit of Creation in which we exist. "Just saying"
You could listen to Sir roger penrose all day and understand absolutely nothing and then still feel super smart. 🧐
Since all extraterrestrials, called GOD by humans, live outside of space and time and also outside of our universe in the 5th dimension, that was necessary to create our universe, there can be no timeline for them. Since they are invisible and have no arms or legs, they cannot even wear a clock or know what time it is. So the world can't be created in six days. There is nonsense being said. For the aliens there are no such things as “soon” or “future”. Someone told me, "But they can stand right behind you and know what time it is by your watch." I replied. “I never wear a watch for this very reason. That makes me a kind of divine person.” 🤪
Yes I have the same feeling I love to hear him talk but I don't learn a dam thing after he's done
@@Joe-ym6bw Wolves in sheep's clothing among sheep have learned how to do something like that. Thats why voltaire wrote: "La religion a commencé le jour où le premier fripon a rencontré le premier imbécile." Be glad you met me at the asylum.
Agree! The ol' gray matter enjoyed its workout. Time is for man and the stars and planets are the "calendar". If #11 doesn't work, try #12. Our Maker likes that number. 1, 7, and 10 also. Whatever the answer, it is in agreement with color, sound, temperature, pressure, etc. Must share the same fingerprint. The body may provide clues. The nervous system for example. Like our blood vessels, it is everywhere. All come from the spine but need the brain. Tips of toes same age as everywhere else. Our brains and eyeballs, when healthy, take in more and more and more yet remain the same size. The pupil changes size as needed and uses a string type passage. Nerves and blood vessels are also string like. The division of our cells, atoms, protons, etc. How are an old man's cells different from the baby boy's? Apply that to your sice time question. Creation wasn't all at once. It became in stages. It doesn't matter how long because it was done before man. All life on earth also develops in stages after the moment of life, which is a big bang. Light was the first thing. When looking out to the heavens, which is a sea, how can anyone deny the existence of our Creator?
@@renees1021 Yes, aliens really exist. @notfromthisworld told me: "My dad always said. Let people have weird hobbies as long as they don’t believe that an invisible extraterrestrial conjured up our universe out of nothing from the 5th dimension and that snakes can talk." But then he had to tell his dad: “That’s exactly what they believe and they called this alien GOD and the snake DEVIL.” His dad totally shocked:: "Dealing with religion is dealing with insanity."
Asking a human about the Universe is like asking an ant about planet earth...plus the ability to speak ant language !!😂
😂i also believe this kind of logic i mean animals has limits pretty sure humans do 😂
It's only humans who give meaning to the known universe, without humans the whole thing is meaningless
The universe isn't 13 billion years old, We don't have a clue. We only say that from what we see. Space is beyond our understanding.
If time doesn't exist, then I wasn't late for work this morning. My boss will be glad to hear that.
That's funny
Im so glad this is happening. JWST has brought so much new info. My biggest gripe is with 'dark matter' and 'dark energy' which have always seemed incorrect. Something is wrong and the fact that nobody knows where we're wrong intrigues me
Dark matter and dark energy were invented to bridge the gap between observed data and incorrect theoretical predictions. which after 100 years, are still held up by unobtainable scientific evidence. dark matter was invented to explain the rotation of galaxies. but we assumed the galaxies source of rotation was from the centre. if a galaxies rotation was electromagnetically induced from the outer edge of the galaxy, it would rotate exactly as observed without the need for any exotic invisible mass at all. these long rotating galactic filaments can span thousands of light years, and are the biggest known structures in the universe... Dark energy was invented to bridge the gap between theoretical predictions on redshift, and assumed distances of interstellar bodies. They assumed that space is empty, and of equal density (neither of which are true). this leads to inaccurate results that assert the universe is expanding faster than the speed of light. but if we include particles in the equation, other factors like compton / rayleigh scattering would play a role over huge distances. even gravitational lensing could just be a physical lens made out of clouds of particles with different thicknesses and densities over trillions of miles... they have everyone so busy searching for undetectable matter, that very few stop to question its validity... I might be wrong, but thats the beauty of science. but it works both ways, if were not allowed to question their theory, then its not science at all, its religion.
@duncanmcluckie821you do realize entropy is just a concept right ?😐we don’t know how big the universe really is and we will never know 😑
Lot to unpack here. It's important to recognize the obvious difficulty in how to determine something being 100% verified, and the scientific community is actually very comfortable saying that they don't know. It's also important that there is a huge difference in understanding some aspects of something, and understanding everything that is too know about it. The phrases dark matter and dark energy are largely lesser defined placeholders for a concept that can be better defined and understood with more information. These phrases aren't mcguffins and they aren't a deus ex machina's either. It's their way of saying that there is something that we haven't yet observed, but it's interacting with things that we do understand in a way that makes it very clear that it's there. Good parallel would be disease prior to germ theory. Docs got together and saw the results without understanding how. But before germ theory was developed, they knew there was something there, because the effects were unmistakable. That's the best way to describe it, and this stuff has alot to do with how gravity behaves over huge numbers and distance. It also has to do with applying the math to what we can, and the results not simply being wrong or unreliable, but results would indicate that all of the math works, except for a single factor, as if you were doing an algebraic proof and everything is coming together except for a single variable that is blank, preventing you from being able to move forward. So these "dark" terms aren't a lazy contrivance meant to cover up their ignorance. It's closer to say that they have been able to predict gaps in understanding, instead of arrogantly stating that there are no gaps. It's funny because people talk like it's a way to disregard data that doesn't jive, when the reality is that it's an acknowledgement that there is so much we don't understand.
@@stephenwest6738 well i respect those who are honest and let’s be real no one is going to tell how the universe works 😐so instead of making lies your better off with saying I don’t know and just accept it the human brain was never ment to understand the universe some science mysteries will forever remain unknown 😐and that’s ok 🙂theirs nothing wrong with saying I don’t know it means your honest and you realize not everything will be solved 😐 that’s why I don’t believe in anything because if you believe in lies you become a religious person like who believes in god witch is no good 😑as you will become stuck if you BELIEVE how something works only because they agree with you our you like that person you will fail 😐that’s the problem with the scientific community just because you have a PhD that does NOT mean you know everything as ask them what 1+1= I bet they won’t have a clue 😑if you make stuff up like fake news it can be a dangerous thing that’s why I don’t believe in ANYTHING 😑and if we don’t know then that’s your honest truth as I take the red pill of the universe and I respect those who tell the truth then those who tell lies 😐
Time is like a burrito. You can fill it with anything you want.
Not broccoli, don't fill it with broccoli
@@brandonmear9637anything and everything goes in a burrito!
Nice to see an eminent scientist like roger penrose is still alive to see what the James Webb telescope has seen ✌️❤️🇬🇧
im an eminent universal loser and im glad I got to see what sir penrose got to see
The more I consider all these convoluted theories that conflict with one another, the more I think the phrase, "Lost in thought" has another meaning in addition to the one usually attributed to it.
Everyone knows The Big Bang Theory only lasted 12 years before it was canceled. Not enough people believed in it, but replays are still being aired today.
Wouldn't that support the theory that the universe is constantly expanding, then contracting, then expanding again? Like the pulsating theory. Maybe it's not Big Bang reruns... but rather the next expansion.
My birth certificate records that I was born in 1933. I have circumnavigated the sun 90 times since then. I can assure you that time and its effects are real!
Hi Edward. Gosh, for an old bloke you do get around a bit. What's your secret? Cheers, P.R.
You are thinking in one dimension. We are limited by our limited senses and understanding. We are still in the dark ages of our knowledge of the universe.
@@stevejones1318 Hi Steve. Our senses are not limited to the 1% of the electromagnetic spectrum that comprises visible light, there are many extra dimensions to scientific thinking and perception. Ever heard of Radio-Telescopes"? Sonar? Radar? Thanks to innovations such as X-ray crystallography we have "perceived" the structure of DNA despite our limited senses not being sensitive to X-rays. Electron positron microscopes can resolve images of individual atoms. Thanks to gamma ray, X-ray, and microwave astronomy we have a steadily improving picture of the cosmos. In the '60's Penzias and Wilson discovered the Cosmic Microwave Background radiation, a "photograph" of conditions 300,000 years after the Big Bang. Gravity waves were detected by the LIGO experiments in 2017, and black holes have been photographed. When you talk of us "being in the dark ages" I suggest you check your own whereabouts using G.P.S. Stop wallowing in inferiority on behalf of us all, we know more than you think. Cheers, P.R.
Assumption based on assumptions isn’t science and does make it real. You are an immortal soul having an experience here and now.
No it’s not 😑your birth certificate was made from humans and humans mean nothing to the universe 😑in the universes point of view you were born in this world you live reproduce and then die 😑
Where there is humility to admit wrongs and errors there is hope.
Just as long as God stays out of the theory...hahaha
Science is all about this. It religion that sticks to some archaic ideas. Fact over faith.
That is the beauty of science. We keep learning and clarifying information as time goes by.
That's common science. Hope has nothing to do with itm
As everyone knows SCIENCE (&Philosopĥy) was birthed (&Named) by RELIGON, Vatican Inc came up with that, major Heads (Newton) came from its fold.... Pascal's Wager or Dubay's Gamble? Eric Dubay Pascal's Wager was a theological argument presented by 17th century philosopher Blaise Pascal positing that everyone is essentially involved in a life-long gamble regarding belief in the existence of God. Pascal's contention was that every rational person should adopt a lifestyle consistent with the existence of God and believe or at least strive to believe in God. He reasoned that if God doesn't exist, then believers would incur only minor losses from being incorrect such as potentially sacrificing certain worldly pleasures or luxuries. However, if God does exist, believers stand to gain immensely, especially those of the Abrahamic faiths, which promise an eternal afterlife in heaven while simultaneously avoiding an eternity of burning in hell.
Been saying this my whole life. The BB is an insane/simplistic idea. The universe is probably infinitely more interesting and complicated than that
Well the big bang concept, also seems to take our own mortal experiences and project them on the universe. Individually, we have a beginning, we have an end, and everything we create is similarly limited in this capacity. However, logically that doesn't really work with the universe. For that same dynamic to apply to the universe, something would've had to have come from nothing. That doesn't really work though. Something can't come from nothing. Something must always come from something. Since the universe is just what we call our perceived existence, that means that the universe has to have always existed in some form. Granted, maybe the universe was radically different before. Maybe the big bang was just a transition point from one state to another, and eventually it'll transition to something else that we can't even conceive of. But it will continue to exist, and it likely always has at least in some form. I digress though. Either way, the assertion that nothing existed before the big bang is likely a bit of a misnomer.
Something ALWAYS comes from nothing. Cause all we have is a whole lotta something’s soo I don’t think there ever was any nothing. We are like fleas arguing about the nature of the DOG we live on…
Wanna know the exact time from the start to the end of our universe? 🤔🤔🤔 There's a math formula and it's result has been proven to be precise. How many years are human's average lifespan. it's 70 years. So 70 multiple by ∞ will goes: 70 × ∞ = ∞ (indefinite). That's exactly the result 😇😇😇
Mathematically you right. But as the result indefinite, so no one would know.
@@gabriolasands-tt6rs God knows, thats why they call it the number of God, the ∞.
@@redjohnsson Which God ?
Requiring "Time" to have had a beginning in order to exist is presumptive and a potentially erroneous requirement, since it does, in fact, exist despite our ignorance of any such beginning or not. As long as there is energy/matter in any form or motion of any kind, by default, there *must* be time as well.
Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. Douglas Adams, Hitchhiker's Guide.
I just love it when science proves itself wrong. Alas, it's Scientific hubris that is unwilling to accept it's theories are flawed. Well done Dr Penrose.
I tried the "time doesn't exist theory" last night when I got back from the Pub. My wife's counter argument was neither logical nor scientific, but very, very convincing.
You know its an incredible thing our universe, whenever we think we have figured it out, we learn we are wrong,
Humans are wrong most of the time, we really don't know Jack shit!, we just pretend we do we think we know all.
Time exists. It’s a measurement. That’s like saying distance doesn’t exist. Sure it does. Just because we may not understand it and how it works doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.
Quantum theory suggests that distance may be an illusion in a non-local universe also, hence quantum entanglement.
"Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth" 2 Timothy verse 7.
If there was a big bang, there is a good possibility there were other big bangs. We could easily be seeing the solar systems of other distant big bangs that have come into our view.
Big bang happened... may not have been have been the beginning, but it happened. It's the reason space smells like gunpowder and burnt metal. I just wonder what happens after the heat death of the universe, after all the black holes have nothing mire to "eat"... and everything is cold. REPEAT BUTTON IGNITION!
I've been thinking this for years. If there was a "Big Bang" (emphasising the IF, because we cannot possibly know that as fact) then big bangs could pop up everywhere, all the time. It doesn't have to be sequential (one universe at a time) untold big bangs could be happening elsewhere, right now.
If the light does not experience time when it leaves a distant galaxy till it reaches earth, that in turn means everything in the universe is happening in the same moment, the past, now and the future.
Bingo~!
Photons do not experience time because they don't possess mass, so, from a photons perspective, it really is everything, everywhere, all at once!
Such brilliant children of light!
...then it only just happened - as soon as it entered out "time frame" Instantaneous.
Only to the non conscious light waves
Every event that we witness is an independent event. Things are definitely deeper than what we witness.
And then again there is what Ecclesiastes refers to as "one event", suggesting the non-existence of time, which is the separation of events. (Eccl 2:14; 3:2,3)
Or not independent, just so heirachically tangled it appears as independent things "happening"...
@@nonelost1what? Ecclesiastes says something like Quantum phenomena? I better ✔️ this
Once upon a time, eons ago I was late for work. Now I know how I should have answered to my boss's question about why I was late: "Time doesn't exist" 😜 🤣🤣😂✌
There is a "place" where TIME is not. It is eternal NOW.
The moment we realize that we know nothing; we know everything. The journey into the unknown continues because it’s fun
Bingo!
Ok that's kinda fast and loose socratic, but I'm in 😂
Knowledge is miniscule. Ignorance is boundless. So Enjoy your ignorance. Ignorance has a huge potential for Knowledge.
Our struggle with mathematics versus observations and the ridiculous dark energy, dark matter, and gravity tell me we are missing something big. The theories don’t work on the largest scale like the rotation of galaxies or at the quantum level. I think Penrose is on the better track than those focusing so much on dark matter/energy or string theory. Even if it ends up being incorrect a theory that can be tested improves our understanding. I don’t see how wedding ourselves to theories like string theory or mysterious matter that cannot be tested experimentally helps us better understand the universe.
You do know that scientists can do both right? String Theorists will do what they do and people who disagree with that will do what they do.
Dark Matter is hypothesised as a means of keeping most of what we currently believe about physics (specifically relativity and gravity). It may not be right - many think the theory of gravity may not work at large scales. However I don't find it too surprising that DM has not been found. After all, it took nearly 40 years to detect the Higgs boson after its prediction. Really, only experiments/observations are going to show the way out of this conundrum.
We might be missing the fact that this is a simulation and that the universe beyond our solar system doesn't actually make any physical sense.
Its not all that much of a controversy as this video suggests. We know dark matter exists based on galactic rotation curves. We would expect that the speed of stars in galaxies to obey Kepler's laws with their speed tapering off as you move further away from the center. This is not what is seen. You can only describe it if the mass distribution is not just what is seen based on the distribution of stars. Additionally, weak gravitational lensing from galaxy clusters points to unseen matter distributions. Finally the cosmic microwave background predicts dark matter in a much more complicated but fundamentally highly accurate way. Dark Energy is described by supernova observations. You would expect the Universe to be either slowing down or contracting due to gravity but that is not what is seen. Einstein added a term to the Einstein Equation to account for this because he developed General Relativity before the discovery of the Big Bang and believed in an eternal Universe. He later retracted it calling the additional of a cosmological constant "the worst mistake of my life". Later, based on Hubble Space Telescope observations of distant supernovae, we know that the Universe is accelerating in its expansion. This is in agreement with a cosmological constant describing a sort of negative energy permeating all of space. As for Penrose, he is a Titan of physics. His pet project now is called Conformal Cyclic Cosmology but it has some major gaps. String Theory is completely untestable and is falling out of favor as a working theory of physics. This is not the case with Dark Matter and Dark Energy which have strong evidence backing them up.
When scientists find out the real answer, no human will ever understand the word infinite..!
Back in 2006 a university professor asked me WHAT IS LIFE? |I said Life is a timeless state of body and mind that we live in. took me 2 days to understand what I said.
What we call time is just the gap between one event and another, if no events were taking place time would not exist.
Yes but all things in space have constantly event, things degenerate or develop and there is spin tiny movement on particles all takes what we call time how small it will be, does not matter, but it has a duration maybe not measurable by us but still. They say nothing faster than light speed which is the speed of a photo / electromagnetic wave, who says there are no speeds faster than a photon ? How would we even know ?
time simply doesn't exist! time is nothing more than a man made mathemagical construct! 'yesterday' (the past) exists only in our memory and 'tomorrow' (the future) exists only in our imagination it is *ALWAYS* NOW
Another way of putting it is that motion is required for time to exist.
Hey walrus6833 in the "gap," a calibrated moment, are quantum fluctuations. You have to be small enough to see them. There is no such thing as empty space. Pantheism ❤
@@markschneider4189 As I said, if no events were happening time would not exist. Surely, quantum fluctuations are events.
Great discoveries with the James Webb Telescope. I agree with the possible notion that TIME is a mathematical invention. And the possibility that the speed of light is not a constant. We are in the process of discovering the new boundaries of these concepts.
time is a mathematical construct - a fantasy! the past exists only in our memory and the future exists only in our imagination light speed decreases due to density - and even 'the void of space' is *chock full* of electromagnetic energy, which light must 'displace'
Of course. I speculate that Einstein’s theory has the authority it does because his special theory was so astoundingly confirmed. I understand that one gram of uranium caused all the damage to Hiroshima. Awesome.
the speed of light isn't a constant except in a vacuum. if you're interested have a look at some of the research into 'slow light'
Try sleeping in when you've promised my wife we'd make an early start for our outing, and you'll discover the limits to (and boundaries of) time. I just love pondering paradoxes, and 'time' in any shape or form is the biggest and bestest of them all. At school I loved that one where Achilles loosed his arrow at the escaping hare, and the fact that even given all eternity his arrow would never catch up with the hare.
This is another wonderous area of quantum gravity in the atomic elements. - I believe it is a possible explanation why the mass of elements in periodic table seems so strangely skewed and very odd to me. Furthering my suspicions of the exitance of quantum gravitational magnification within the elements.
This field is where physics crosses over into philosophy.
Well another is why do we see the world from first person view ?🧐
@@jettmthebluedragonbecaus 👁👁
@@hellohej1307 yea so who cares about the eyes ?😑not everyone has eyes pal 😑the universe does NOT care if your blind or not 😑eyes mean NOTHING 😑
@@jettmthebluedragonthe universe doesnt care if you blind, but if you have no eyes you cant see, and world dont care if you CAN see either . Whats your point tho
@@hellohej1307 I’m saying not every animal has eyes 😑many cave animals have no eyes and yet have personality’s 😐if you look on youtube you would find even eyeless animals have personality’s🙂you don’t need eyes to understanding your surroundings 😐as you have also sight smell and hearing your eyes are just part of how one can since their surroundings 😐that’s the point as you don’t need eyes to since your surroundings 😐and even humans and aninals that can’t see even they have personality’s 🙂
Aliens: "Hey guys, those angry mammals discovered they are watching a recording we left so they don't discover us".
My question is whether the red shift is caused by a Doppler effect or that distant light is climbing out of the gravity well of the Big Bang (‘tired light’), or the two effects are the same. Recent findings of mature distant galaxies, and that events occur 5 times slower a few hundred million years after the supposed Big Bang should mean that there is a time dilation effect towards the Big Bang singularity, just as time dilates towards a black hole, giving those distant structures ample time to evolve in their own reference frame. Light is pinned to the space canvas, and stretches out with it. It’s conceivable time slows down to zero asymptotically to its beginning, essentially rendering the beginning undefined. There never was a beginning. The suggestion that time is not real is metaphysical. The Universe is an event that is unfolding. The energy is there for things to happen, including expansion into an unbounded domain. If it was stationary would there have been a trigger for anything else to happen within it? Entropy, universal expansion and time belong together. As an afterthought, dark matter doesn’t exist. Wouldn’t time dilation towards a black hole explain the ‘anomalous’ rotation of galactic debris around the quasar? After all, events slow down towards a gravitational well. Would the fundis please critique my rookie perspectives.
When the Universe expands, energy/mass density gets lower and there for the graviational field of the universe, so no wonder Time was slower when we look back in the past. Smaller Universe, higher energy/mass density there for slower clocks (higher red shift).
I like some of these ideas you are putting forward, but I have no critiques.
That's a unique thought that "time slows down asymptotically to it's beginning" love when folks have their imagination turned up...crank it!
Methinks someone has been reading the back of cereal boxes again. The fact is that the universe is either a Simulation or "Intelligent Design" (mark that as God, if you need to). Why? Because we need a new math to replace what we have now. Math was created in this universe to fit this universe. And it keeps coming back to the fact that reality is not what we observe. What we keep seeing is that the universe is quantized, like the bits in computer code. It points to a creator. Now who created the creator? Well, that may take another 13.8 billion years to discover. But hey, time is relative, right?
Exactly! The Space/Time field when all matter was compacted was SLOWER. 13.8 billion year old universe is only EARTH time. Meaning if you measure from a different mass the calculation would be different. The experience of time and it’s calculation is only RELATIVE to Earth Time. Meaning Earth Time Dilation is pre-bated into the calculation of the Universe Just wait till you start realizing the pre-baked assumptions in calculating the “EARTHS AGE” with “Radioactive dating” 1. No inheritance of daughter isotopes (Aka when a rock formed it was only parent atoms) 2. No contamination (these rocks and it’s atoms don’t experience any effects from its environment) 3. Constant decay rate (scientists studied 70-80 years of measurements and extrapolated MILLIONS OF YEARS) All of these assumptions are absurd and unprovable. Meaning calculating “Evolution time scales” is also absurd.
I like the idea that time does not exist, but it’s an illusion that allows consciousness to exist in a universe that is everything everywhere all at once.
An illusion that comes to an end?
If time doesn't exist it would explain why in quantum physics, particles can be in different states "at the same time".
Have you ever read (I mean READ, not merely blitzed!) Fitzgerald's versions of Khayyam's "Rubaiyat"? (Other folk's translations lack the magic - Fitzgerald gets the meaning rather than just the wording.) Mostly my recommendations fall on deaf ears but if someone ever actually does get my point/s I shan't have lived in vain. @@macky4074
But still as far as we know energy dissipates, everything must have an end, that implies that it must have had a beginning.
No, no, no! God dun it! And if Big G didn't dun it, Plan B ... ... Plan B is an infinitely compressed non-existent nothing nowhere containing the entire universe ... in which after an eternity (taking no time at all) something silently went pop and there we were/are, existing. @@SirAntoniousBlock
Imagination is our most important gift
Reason is
I had read a paper about 15 years ago regarding the nature of spacetime and that it appeared to curve away in all directions. I had not thought much about it but it occurs to me that if true, one of those very distant galaxies we are looking at might be our own.
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@@johncupak3147 In a nutshell, the paper said spacetime curves away from you no matter which way you look, since light bends with spacetime it may be we are looking around the circumference of the universe to return to the point it originated. Thus we could be looking at ourselves. It's just a thought.
Why do I feel like this is true lol
Like a mirror?
@@roxanamendoza4189 Like the curved mirrors in the mirrored maze funhouse at a carnival. No matter which way you look you are looking at yourself in the mirror.
That's something I've always believed. That the universe itself is infinite, timeless, and has always existed even before the big bang. I bet that big bangs actually happen all the time everywhere in the universe. We're in one of an infinite amount of big bangs out there and they're just so far apart its impossible to travel between one big bang to another, although technically I bet one could happen on top of another one.
Which studies could explain this opinion?
Ever since i was kid i theorized there is no time to begin with. Its just all about moments and we invented time to organize better those moments.
Infinite or Boundless? Our known universe might be unbounded at its origin rather than infinite and “time now” is the consequence of time as a “dimension of space” (Hartle and Hawking) or a quantum dimension. “What is north of north?” Regression from now to the distant past, does not find a definitive point, where space-time has a discernible origin.
Multi-verse if you will
@@brentanderson8275 I'm talking about one universe, but multiple big bangs within that one universe.
Normie: sees a blurry red dot. Scientist:
Everything that has a beginning has a cause, the universe has a beginning, therefore the universe must have a cause.
It is not possible to imagine that matter or energy could cease to exist. I have no idea why I believe this, but I intuitively believe it.
The same as me. Its the only explanation possible. I just think we as humans, are limited in a way that makes impossible to think that is possible that time exists forever.
I reckon that string theory might be close, but I consider our materials universe to be one entire single string, all connected, every atom and quanta. It just is all twisted up like an old phone wire. It is logical to assume it will straighten during it cycle until it becomes a single atran, its end looking 1 plank thick. Reaching its limit it rebounds and creates itself again.
Like this
God created everything. That’s why with new technology we keep finding out these theories were wrong.
Cosmologists, of course. It has no bearing on Astronomy Time is merely the motion of matter in space. The rest is bs
My guess is even if you could travel faster than a human thought, you could never reach a point where you would find pure space or where nothing exists and space does not extend. The universe is truly eternal and infinite. There was never a beginning to the universe and there will never be an end. There was never a need for time since the universe is eternal.
more specifically, the Universe is "Infinitely Infinite" - that is, the Universe is 'infinite' in an infinite number of ways
where are you observations, tests, and peer reviewed studies? Otherwise, this is nonsense.
A finite sphere would satisfy your requirements. Then you go on to state that there was never a need for time since the Universe is eternal. However, eternal requires the concept of time. Without time, you don't have the passing of events, which "eternal" would require.
@@nextlevelenglish5858oh, so if it's not in a "peer reviewed" journal or paper it can't be true? Or, if the other avenues you mentioned don't bestow their approval it's nonsense? You are nonsense
@@stevedriscoll2539 I agree. Physics has stalled for the last 60+ years because no other thoughts were allowed for consideration if they didnt follow their very narrow line of reasoning. Physicists who are frustrated with this collapsing paradigm have gone outside of these mandates and are finally starting to make some headway even though they cannot get their papers published because of the cult like stringent requirements needed for consideration. They have formed their own multi-disciplinary group to act as a sounding board and for review amongst themselves. And some of these papers seem very promising.
I had hopes that science and all the available technology that now exists would start to find the answer to everything in time and space, but it seems that it is producing more questions than answers. Maybe one day it will all be apparent, but I imagine that day is still a long way off. Or may be not, if time doesn't exist.
So (and this is actually quite ... very ... profound): which DID come first, the chook or the egg? ('Chook' is Australasian slang for chicken)(I thought I'd educate you heathens a wee bit ...)
For the last two centuries physicists have thought that we were close to understanding the nature of our universe and having "everything worked out" and each time they think they almost have a theory to link everything, more questions are discovered. I have a feeling it may be like this for our civilization even a thousand years from now, especially since each new question is getting harder and harder to answer as we probe deeper and deeper into the fundamental workings of our reality.
And meanwhile, back here on earth, we still have leaders intent on heading us toward self destruction.
@@oliveringram3056 That's how it always has been. Science and progress has always been the domain of the exceptional few, while the rest of us beat each other over the heads with clubs and fight over scraps of food.
“ there was a big bang but the big bang was not the beginning” “In the beginning God..” Everyone, including Roger, is entitled to their opinion. Here is mine: “By faith we understand that the universe was created by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things that are visible.” (Hebrews 11:3)
That is not what the Big Bang theory proposes. It proposes that it was dense at one point, not that it emerged out of nothing.
Things that are father away look smaller? Can you imagine that? What a joke
What if distance and time are illusions? The closer a traveler moves to the speed of light, time for the traveler slows to a near stop and the distance between them and other objects approaches zero. If this is due to their increased total energy (potential + kinetic), the "expansion" of the universe could be the result of increasing entropy. In other words, the size of the universe depends on the energy state of the observer, and "time" is the illusion created as we experience decreases in our energy level.
I leave stuff like this to people that can do thinking. I just live here; I can tie my own shoelaces and wave bye-bye (essential survival traits these days - especially for those with any form of religious bent). Aaaahhh, yes ...wise words indeed. But: what religion? Which of the many (!) thousands is THE definitive, unarguably one hundred percent correct, valid, truth (oops ...Truth)? Answer: YOURS is. No? (To say otherwise is to openly invite declarations of war and I'm too old to be involved with such.)
time is not illusion but relative to the obsever.
That which continuously replicates is the furthest thing from illusion and the closest thing to objective truth.
Time doesnt exist alone.Time is an abstract term which describe speed
@@cristianpopescu78 Time is experienced, usually measured, change. The past is remembered experience. The future is anticipated experience.
The worst thing the scientific community can do is to try to patch together a theory that has been proving incomplete just to justify the time and investment that has been spent.
The more we peak the more strange it will get. We will never grasp what's truly out there.
So, I suppose one could say that time is a human construct. But, then again, since the only data that humans have is received via perception that would mean our "reality" is entirely made of human constructs.
Yup... that's the dilemma
If humanism is true, everything is man made, including humanism. An objective observer is a necessary being if logic is to be a valid light. I suspect that is why John called Logos 'the true light that gives light to everyone...'
Just one more thing to mess with my mind. The claim that the universe never ends always kept me awake at night as a kid. This is no different.😁
Same here, and big bang from nothing has never made any sense whatsoever 🤭
@@jozsas True
Hawking spent years arguing against his big bang...
I discovered for myself as a little boy that a mirror reflecting itself in another mirror appeared as a long line of mirror-reflections curving away into the distance. (I never dared scratch a hole in the reflective coating to peer through it ...)
If you do this, but instead of your eyes and a mirror on the wall..use a video camera connected to a TV that shows what your filming and then film itself. It's INSANE. It's called video feedback. I've done itnwhere you can zoom into the distance and it turns trippy
Great video. Thank you
If time doesn't exist, tell that to your boss when you're late for work 😂😂😂😂
Great enlightening video. It reminds me of the Vedic Mantra SATYAM GNANAM ANANTHAM BRAHMA. Thank you sir.
I thought they determined years ago that time and space are one in the same and that there is no such thing as time actually. Time is simply the distance between two events. If you take your hand and move it 1 ft it did not take a certain amount of a second it simply took a certain distance, or movement through space. Which we call time
Sounds legit "spacetime"
Comments 9 month apart ?
What was once considered pure magic, turned to science, which eventually round again back to magic, at the very core. "Give me one miracle, and I can explain the rest."
Time keeps on slippin, slippin, slippin out of existence...
but if the past is an illusion, it must be a shared one as we can talk to people and they can confirm shared experiences happening the same for all involved
everything you ever experienced, it was *NOW* at the time - the past exists only in our memory and the future exists only in our imagination
Yeah, in general but think of how each person's account will still be different even if only slightly.
@@stevedriscoll2539 if 1000 people observe *one* event, you will get 1000 different accounts
Oh, how utterly captivating and intellectually stimulating this video has been! As a humble layman, I must admit, my feeble mind can't help but ponder upon the intricacies that have been presented. The juxtaposition of "old theories" and "new theories" certainly intrigues me, yet one can't help but lament the absence of any mention of those elusive "future theories" that should naturally coexist in the realm of no space-time theories. Oh well, one supposes such trifles are inconsequential. By the way, in case anyone cares, it is approximately 4 pm in my dear country at the time of penning this observation. Surely, the temporal details matter not.
Take your meds
Recently I have begun to think that maybe the universe has always existed and was not created by a big bang. At first it is hard to understand but when you talk to the religious who believe the creation stories and that "God" created the earth and people, the next logical question is "who created God?" The religious usually reply, "God has always been". So, if they can believe that God has always been, why can't they accept that the universe has always been? Maybe our human minds cannot grasp something "has always been".
Human brain has limitations in all respects
I found enlightenment by reading The End of Time, by Julian Barbour. Both Dr Penrose and Dr Barbour, along with many other physicists, have contributed to our understanding of our definition of time and space. It's a fascinating book to read, and I highly recommend it to anyone who wants to understand the subject. 🎉
Ok found it on anna's archive.
will do, honey pot, thanks.
@@TalibanSymphonyOrchestra I have had many names... Mrs a couple of times; ma'am in the service; Jeanette as a friend, etc....but never a honey pot! Thank you for adding to my lexicon! 😄
@@jeanettecook1088 You may consider it a compliment.
I understand it can be a barbed compliment ... in earlier times "honey pot' was US forces slang for the old poop bucket (China station, I believe).@@jeanettecook1088
This is all so fascinating to me and no matter how much space and time is studied, I do not think there will be any answers and our lifetime. Perhaps never and I say that because the facts show we can never go back the beginning. All the the studying about the universe and it still all just remains theoretical. Maybe that's the way it is supposed to be.
Answer - TIME is the measure WE INVENT to understand the DURATIONS we observe. The DURATIONS exist beyond the mind - time does not. We can't travel back to the "beginning" ... but we have a logic system to UNDERSTAND the origin of DURATION So ... the first object set to MOVEMENT yielded the first DURATION of movement upon which our measures of TIME can apply. The FORCE which set to motion the first object of OUR reality must therefore have originated from a TIMELESS state - as before the first movement, time did not yet exist - so the FORCE issued to impart the first movement can only have been issued from an ETERNAL reality - - separated from our temporal reality by - - DURATION ... (which we understand as TIME) lexicons: eternity - a TIMELESS reality. TIME = 0 this is AXIOM = = it is expressed by THE AXIOM OF CREATION. support for the axiom of creation is a UNANIMOUS series of OBSERVATIONS of caused/CREATED existences. we have not found an existence for which no cause/CREATOR(s) can be shown... so we have no reason to doubt that ALL existences WITHIN our reality are caused/ CREATED. however we have no PROOF that all existences have a cause/CREATOR because we have not observed and catalogued ALL existences. That CREATION be the vehicle by which ALL existences spawn to being is elevated to TRUTH WITHOUT PROOF by AXIOM .. non-causal existence remains FANTASY until we find something spawn to being spontaneously, lacking its cause/CREATOR. Thus, our reality, if it exists, must also have it's CAUSE/CREATOR. We've already shown that cause to be ETERNAL . Why is your awareness manifest here temporarily, and not in ETERNITY? Every landlord evicts tenants who REJECT the TERMS OF THE LEASE. peace fellow creation.
Came here to hear Roger Penrose. Got 2 seconds of Roger Penrose.
Everything is cyclical. We’ve had an infinite number of Big Bangs, expansions, contractions, big crunches and new Big Bangs. This cycle has existed forever.
And now the scientists are saying the red shift observations from the jwst are now moving at a slower speed then the rest of the universe..so the further back we look the slower the galaxies are ..which i honestly think their saying this just so it dosnt contradict their big bang theory
Sir/Madam, sorry who will take your comment seriously if you don't know the difference between "their" and "they're"? Your sentence should read: "...i honestly think [they're] saying...". NOT "...i honestly think [their] saying...". Sad.
Oh you got a grammar nazi 😂😂😂😂. BB is the gift that keeps on giving, even though it's so flawed...the "old guard" ain't gonna let it die without a fight...a lot of big money and power is at stake
@@DanielJones-wj7mm OK that's great I didn't have a education I had to teach myself thank you for pointing out my spelling. I do really hope you eventually can pay off all your debts from your education and be happy one day
@@kryten6569 : Sir, thank you. I am paying off my "debt" from school by education keyboard warriors, esp on grammar. As to the financial debts I know you are sarcastically referring to, I do NOT have any. Fortunately, I kept a good enough score to get a full ride. Thank God. The only debt I owe now is to educate individuals who cannot spell or use the English language correctly. BTW, you can correct your spelling using the thee dots to the top right. Just click.
I have a thought i think the universe definitely has a beginning, i believe in the beginning there was nothing but unlimited expanding contracting space points in one of those space point an anomaly happened that point instead of expanding like other space point it contract and gain the energy of other space point it gathered enough energy to give birth to a universe by expanding when every points where contracting it helped this newly born universe to expand quickly and easily to a thousand fold but with the growing universe these tiny points also grew larger but their characteristic remain the same they are still contracting now this is why see an illusion of expanding universe but instead of expanding the universe is sinking in every other contracting space point thus is seems to us the universe is expanding every where at once but in truth except the point which expanded during the big bang is expanding and every other space point is contracting, these contracting space point eventually is going to become a local universe and this is why neutrinos travel backward in time. Once these contracting point normalise at the size before the big bang there will be a simultaneous occuring several big bang in each of the contracting space point and at the point from where everything started the big bang and the universe where we live now will be ruins there will be no signs of a star or a galaxy but there will be a flow of energy towards its centre until the circle completes and once again there will be a universe just like ours... This is just a theory from my mind, i don't have an ability to prove it by equations but i think this theory will solve so many problems that we face when we try to combine the relativity and quantum theory this will be the theory of everything or just a hypothesis...
have another
@@manifold1476 share with me anytime... I would love to hear your thoughts.
I think there are elements of CCC in your theory. Interesting stuff but I found it a little hard to follow (but it's my shortcoming not yours)
, , , , , , , , I had some spare.
A new universe is born when a new life born. The whole Universe exist because of the "I, me, mine" according to Buddha, and Buddha point out that the "I, me, mine" is just illusion.
if you study any serious eastern philosophy/Zen, they've known that time doesn't exist and is a human construct which we don't experience as such because we take it for granted and live within it. there's only presence or what is. nothing else.
When I snuff it, the universe as I knew it will cease. When you die, the universe as you knew it, will cease to exist. That is a fact.
Great overview of the various competing ideas. Thanks. I wish you had touched on the JWT evidence that the universe is much older (2x) than previously hypothesized. Wouldn't this suggest an explanation for the observed larger red-shift of those far-distant galaxies?
Actually you would meant to say that the big bang started ''earlier'' . The universe is infinite and formless so it has no age also.
'red shift' is thoroughly debunked! more than 5 decades ago
Or, the scientists have no idea what they are speaking of, and their models are false.
He did touch on that, if you would have listened to the video. He stated that the red-shifts were much 2-3 times greater than before. 2:28.
Then, can somebody explain the reason for the red shift and the expanding universe?
If there was no time, we'd live in a frozen world, where nothing could move - a photograph. The idea that time is an illusion is absurd and manifestly untrue. Sometimes I think these physicists, while extremely clever in some respects, have no common sense whatsoever.
I disagree. Time is an illusion because it is a thought form in essence focused on the past or the future. You never experience the future, you can only think of it from the present moment, from the now moment. Same with the past, it is a thought form from the current now moment. So we never actually ever experience the past or the future. It's always the now, one and only present moment. Where is the time?... It's an illusion.
Is Quantum Mechanics common sense? Are General and Special Relativity common sense? No one claims time outright doesn't exist, some just question whether it is fundamental or if it occurs as a synergy of other factors. There are a few who believe that time truly is an illusion due to our memories (or consciousness) "creating" time as a way for us to differentiate past and present. I'm certainly no supreme expert...but I can tell you that "common sense" is often wrong and is often mistaken due to group-think and our own biases.
@@brad1368 I take your point, but as a non-mathematician incapable of understanding the equations, I am left to try to "see" these arguments using basic human logic, which may have been a better phrase than "common sense". For me, "no time" means a frozen, unchanging world. In much the same way, a block universe means no free will and no causation, and yet many scientists try to argue that free will can still exist within a block universe. I don't get that either ...
How true!
Understanding universe requires considering thoughts outside „common sense”
I'd give this theory 5 months tops before being replaced.
Confusing .... We reset the calendar and lost 11 days that 'don't exist' or do 'exist as the same time' Eventually we reset the bible time line, Egyptians won't reset the Pharaoh time line accordingly and ae a few centuries out historically. All I know is that, I reset my clocks like I was told - now it gets late very early :(
What we don't know could fill a book.
My family always laughs at me when I say that I always knew something or felt something or someone would happen..I always feel like everything happens in a loop.
I see it like tides coming and going out..............
I've had couple of my dreams come true, to the detail. I don't know what that's about, but it feels weird.
Trust your instinct don’t worry about what anyone else thinks
As humans we want a beginning & end. We see it in nature all the time. As a result theory's are birthed. However there are also evidence of continuity. Like as fire, once it's lit, & it continues being fed, it burns forever. My personal theory is sort a combo of both. Matter lives, grows, & dies, but from another level is continual with on going cycles.
Matter and energy are neither created nor destroyed, but they do change forms.
Exactly. "Time has no beginning". Somewhere on the way Cosmogonists (as well as Physicists & Astronomers) lost the logic & succumbed to the notion that t=0 is possible. Doesn't Roger Penrose know it? He might be knowing, but he has no proof to offer. Being the top Physicist-Mathematician that he is, he waited patiently for the James Webb Telescope to prove it. It did.
I'm with the understanding that time exists solely for man. Our world includes our stars and planets for telling time. Your understanding of color, sound, temperature, etc. is correct. It's in agreement.
If there were multiple "Big Bangs", and the one we perceive, (up until now) is just the one that is most local in time and space, then couldn't ancient and subsequent "Big Bangs" lend to the expansion, and accelerated expansion of the universe?
I think you've just invented the so-called 'oscillating universe'. Again ...
It's hard to conceptualize an infinite Universe. It's harder however, for me to conceptualize a universe that isn't infinite.
I think mathematicians hate infinities, so maybe they should just be done away with. Several well-known accomplished physicists from the past say infinities don't exist in nature...I don't know, though
I always believed "time" was a measurement and that the warp of space-time with gravity means objects would only take longer to get from point A to point B so his theory doesn't need the big bang to work. you heard it here guys
What you said has been believed for a long time.
Yes, time changes depending on gravity and speed through space, but have no idea what you're getting out regards the BB. Are you talking about a static universe?
It has been determined that astronauts going into space do not age as fast as people remaining on earth - time passes slower for them. This backs up Einstein's theories on space-time.
As I heard it in other sources: the discovery of galaxies in the primordial ages of the known universe can mean more than one thing. One: there were galaxies before the big bang, but two: we don't know the material these galaxies had. They could have been put together quicker than the rest and thus, give us the illusion of being 'older'. We need more info.. let's not jump the gun.
Yes absolutely. But this is all upon the assumption that universe began with one god particle. Which is weird for me.
@@Kathakathan11 One God particle? I think your confusing concepts with the singularity. Though admittedly both concepts are flawed and have issues to the point that they aren't fully understandable even by those that came up with them. Theirs a reason even among big bang physicists they debate the nature of what that "singularity" at the big bang was. Was it truly all the energy and matter in the universe condensed in one point, or was it more like a hot soup of matter more like a star the size of a galaxy? Theirs multiple lines of thoughts and hypothesis around this and no actual agreed consensus on what that singularity was. The only agreed consensus (up until now) was that the universe appears to be expanding, and such an expansion must have had an energy source to start, which they dubbed the big bang. Either way, all explanations for the Universe and how it began seems weird to me. Either the universe was created by a force or God of some kind, or it has always existed. But then the question is where did that force or God come from? Or if the answer is they always existed/the universe always existed, how does that even work? Unfortunately I think both religion and scientific theories about the creation of the world is far too unrelatable to be understood by mere mortals like ourselves. Doesn't stop us from trying though.
This is misleading. The James Webb telescope does not prove that time does not exist
You atheists just can’t except there’s a God, even when facts shout No big bang
You atheists just can’t except there’s a God, even when facts shout No big bang
You atheists just can’t except there’s a God, even when facts shout No big bang
You atheists just can’t except there’s a God, even when facts shout No big bang
@@Tyler-wl8kq Facts!? What facts? The only facts are that we do not understand the universe. This title is misleading. No instrument today can tell us if time is real or not. My argument isn't a theological one it's a scientific one.
LIke I once said: "Science always changing, while fantasy is always the same."
Great show. Worth seeing again, before our technology brings more information that's likely to change perceptions again.
How many millions of hours have been spent to get to this point, and to what end?
@@oliveringram3056 If you don't start walking, you will never get anywhere.
just be careful not to go round in circles.@@douglaslatham5455
Love seeing those bright minds gradually uncovering the history of existence itself. Its so refreshing for all humanity when one individual mind disproves old theories and shatters dogmas.
If time had no beginning and the past were infinite, that would mean we had completed a journey through an infinite amount of time, which is not possible by definition of "infinity". Infinity is something that you can only progress toward, not reach. We can "progress toward" the future, but the past represents something actually completed, not "in progress". It makes no humanly understandable sense, either way. Our very basic concepts, like "time" are inadequate,
Memories last until one dies, then they're gone, all those memories of accomplishments, raising kids, celebrations, weddings, births and deaths, mans life on earth
What if what we call the big bang is just observation of our local place in an infinitely expanding fabric of spacetime? Or, if you prefer, what if what we can observe is simply our own local habitat inside of a torus, with a white hole creating matter on one end and a black hole consuming matter on the other end of the torus?
I've long thought it works like that. 👍
I don't think anyone will ever come up with THE definitive answer. And if ever they do, would they be lauded or burned at the stake? The Establishment (whether scientific or religious) always has too much to lose and will defend its turf like rabid rats ... so, back to the ol' stakes, no? Freedom to think simply isn't.
Would that Make us the centre of our own universe?
The big bang is about the evolution of the observable universe over time.
@@bIametheniIe when you look out the back window of a car you see objects getting smaller. That's all the big bang is a matter of perception. The truth is it never happened and it never stopped happening. It is what it looks like when you go though the loop. The grand paradox is the nature of all things and balance is the thing of all things. There are two sides to every coin. You can not have one without the other. 😁 What's wrong with me? Well I kill people and eat hands, that's two things.🦙🦙 Carl your theory's kill people ✨
At this point just let this man speak his truth, don’t stress him, he is a live treasure.
As a lay person I can’t really get my head round the concept of a before the Big Bang if the Big Bang caused space time.Without space time there’s no time for a before to be in 🫠.It wasn’t like there was a big empty space with no matter waiting around to be filled,there were literally no dimensions, no up down or left right forward or back and certainly no time