Forbidden Planet: The Building of the Great Krell Machine
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What did it take to build the Great Krell Machine? Image now as we take you back in time to that construction by the Krell.
This video is simply to get you thinking on what it might have taken to build the 40 mile by 40 mile Great Machine in the film 1956, "Forbidden Planet".
I thought this was going to be ridiculous, but the combination of the two film concepts in order to inform the third unknown (the construction of the machine), was original and super imaginative. Rather than analyze it, I just went with it and let it tell it's own story. Very good indeed.
William Cameron Menzies was a genius. These scenes he did for Alexander Korda's "Things to Come" are simply total eye candy!!!!
I agree, but using them to show how the Krell built their machine shows no creativity on the part of the person who made this post!
A vast machine that unleashes the darkest impulses of the unconscious mind and destroys its creators. Sounds like the Wikipedia entry for the internet.
Hope we Don't make the same mistake
Aka the universe
This works for me, I never did see things to come but forbidden planet has always been a favorite, now I'm eager to watch both!
Krell...hmmm. There is a company that makes extremely fancy stereo components for the audiophile market that goes by this name...
Sounds like Wikipedia.
I enjoyed this very much. Combining Things to Come visuals and Forbidden Plant "electronic tonalities" was a great idea
Yes a lovely retro look
Nicely done. I, too, saw the movie and read the book. I thought the guys who made the movie did a nice job on relaying the vastness of the Krell machine. The way everyone stood there on the platform and looking in all directions at the machinery for almost infinity. Your integration of old film footage was nice. Now, if we can only tap into the infinite resources of our own minds without destroying ourselves, wouldn't that be something. Again, and again I say... nice job on this.
Louis and Bebe Barron's music for Forbidden Planet was magnificent and, among all the other wonders, one of the film's primary attractions. Much great soundtrack work has been done on other films since then, but, in my opinion, no film soundtrack has ever surpassed it in beauty, intensity, and psychological relevance.
It was groundbreaking.
It earned them an Academy Award.
I actually play it all the time. Its other worldly and i love it
I rather enjoy the fact that the film took no time to try to explain how it was constructed, but gave us a glimpse of it's vastness, leaving the construction it to our own imaginations!
Very interesting. It's a fine example that visual images of SF movies are inheriting ages to ages, getting more and more sophisticate and realistic, but archetype images of mega-structures are constant.
"Things to Come" was a great movie. As was Metropolis. Forbidden Planet came out when I was one year old, so I had to wait a while to see it. For some reason I crave that old stuff in my senior years. Thanks for this glimpse.
that was a good imaginary explaination how the Krell machine might have been built, thanks
I absolutely loved this brilliant concept! By incorporating scenes from "Thing's to Come", "The Trans Atlantic Tunnel", "Gold (1934)", and "Metropolis", all of which showcased incredible large scale machines and settings, along with the captivating sounds from Forbidden Planet, you created a captivating short film that beautifully depicted the construction of the magnificent Krell machine from Forbidden Planet. I didn't know what to anticipate, but your approach allowed us to unleash our imaginations to their fullest potential.
What an amazing video. Love your idea. The model work in Things to Come was incredible for 1936. Forbidden Planet was the greatest sci-fi ever made right up to 2001 A Space Odyssey in 1968, which is an amazing achievement.
The music / sound effects are essential. They make the whole scene come alive with promise and with imagination. THX.
This is a good take on that mystery. Thank you for sharing.
Thank you for this delightful vision of 'What might have been' I hope most viewers just relax and try and process the images they see. For each of us it will be something different, which make it delightfully yunque!
VERY nice! I wasn't sure what to expect, but what you did let us use our imaginations to the fullest. And the use of the sounds from Forbidden Planet helps bend the minds eye into the right direction. Well done!
Amazingly chilling soundtract!
The haunting sounds here are actually the score for the movie. The films producers decided to call them electronic tonalities to avoid having to pay Musicians Guild fees. This effectively barred the creators, husband and wife team, Louis and Bebe Barron from nomination for an Academy Award since you had to be a guild member to be eligible. They created the tones with a “ring modulator” thereby predating the MOOG synthesizer by 8 years. Quite innovative and ahead of their time.
Not a bad recycling of footage from "Things to Come" (1936). I was thinking someone should do a pre-quel to "Forbidden Planet", showing Morbius taking over the colony, and his growing madness to fully possess the power of the Krell.
Funny you should bring up a prequel. About ten years ago, I worked with some creative people on doing just that. The first ship on Altair 4 and the discovery of the machine and how Morbius, unknowingly brought the machine to life and killed the crew off. But the plot fell on deaf ears.
But if that were to be made, it'd have to be woke; have only one white character & every other character could be black, Latino, Asian, trans/gay etc. It's movie studios bylaws these days that require a minimum of 80% non-white characters (even regardless if they were black/white in a sequel or prequel). So in this case, Morbius would be the one white character. I wonder who would play all of the other characters and how many of them would there be?
@@jackshittle I don't know why having a multi-racial, multi-ethnic cast would be a problem. As times change, our view of the future changes. The cultural base might have to change. In the original film, one of the sub-threads was the clash of the military vs. scientific/academic cultures, ie power vs. knowledge. But both of those cultures were subordinate to an American culture circa 1955. 1955 was a great time culturally, if you were part of the dominate culture. Not so great if you were outside the dominate and dominating culture.
If someone will come up with the money and get both a good story along with both good actors and excellent director. You can have your flim
@@jackshittle Your bigotry is showing in your exaggerations and outright lies. A prequel movie for a property this old simply won't fly. The prequel movies for Star Wars are a demonstration of the problems of making a film when you know that all it's going to lead to is the beginning a half century old film.
Well done, I can see the similarities and this is a nice gem to add to the magic of a great movie, thank you
Nicely done. It alludes to the potential of type 3 civilizations arriving at the doorstep of 3D mastery and pushing beyond the known.
The Krell by definition, destroyed themselves when they were about to become Type 1.
Thank you for the historical documents
Creative idea and well executed. Thanks, it was fun.
I had this idea a while back, maybe the Krell machine didn't have to start off with 8000 cubic miles, suppose that was just that size for supporting the total Krell planet. So imagine that it's composed of repeated units, like a supercomputer can be made of thousands of duplicate servers networked together. The Great machine can make anything, so they simply built the first complete unit, maybe it was one cubic mile. The first thing they did was had it build more units. Eventually they had 2, 4, 8, 16 and so on. The rate of construction would be geometric. They kept bootstrapping until all 8000 cubic miles were done. The movie didn't say the matter it projected was artificial and transitory, in fact Capt Adams said something about it "projecting matter anywhere on the planet for any purpose"
Model makers have been on a genius level a long time. British books on film making are worthy.
That was unexpectedly satisfying😎 Well done and an onteresting plot to explore.
Loved the sound!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Forbidden Planet! A film years ahead of its time. A film that nobody since has been game enough to try and remake!
God forbid. They would woke it and desecrate it.
very well done ! Thank you for that. I am fan of that movie which have same age as i !
If a director and screenwrioter could stay true to the original film, Forbidden Planet would be a great remake.
I appreciate that you credited your source material.
# 92... Great Movie... RV Guy! Cool music on video clip*
And after all that, they switched it on, didn't notice anything, decided to sleep on it and figure out what might have gone wrong. Nightmares followed. Nothing else did.
Some of my favorite scenes from the movie have always been the great Krell machine.
Haven't watched "Things to Come" for many decades. Something to do.
I'm liking the 'electronic tonalities'...
Nothing like old-school pulp sci-fi movies. :3 I watch some of these on the regular, and also on MST3K and Rifftrax. But it's so inspirational because you realize how all this was the inspiration for showsl like Star Wars. :3
The Krell machine was totally automated when the extinction of the Krell occurred.
I agree, The machine WAS totally, 100% automated at the time of the Krell extinction. This short video is showing BUILDING the machine to get it to that point. It's a film to make one wonder how much work and effort went into the building of the Great machine. It DID NOT build itself. Did you not get that?
@@tomcooley9782 ...Well put!
"Things to come" and "metropolis" should be on every ones watch list, as for "Forbidden Planet", I have it on Blue ray, Amazon prime and VHS, one of my favs.
Well done!!!
The Shape of Things to Come and the Forbidden Planet are two films that under no circumstances should be remade. They are perfect in every way. Does anyone remember the complete disaster that was The Day the Earth Stood Still?
Hi David. I hope this short meld of the two great films did not give you the idea I was pushing for a remake of them. No. Reboots would probably end up being disasters as you pointed you with The Day the Earth Stood Still. However. A few years back I did kind of push for a continuation of Forbidden Planet that takes place 20 years after the first filmed ended. Here is that clip. kzhead.info/sun/f5GwYclqlqGvrZE/bejne.html
I don't think there would have been as many Krell engineers around the site, but still, a very cool correlation.
Really well done!
Very interesting indeed! The soundtrack from Forbidden Planet added to this footage is a great addition, definitely enhances it in a way quite different then the classic film score by Sir Arthur Bliss (which I love). Like to add one other thing - I read an article in which the author had seen one of the very earliest drafts of the Forbidden Planet script, which had a paragraph that briefly described the Krell's physical appearance - as an aid to any future production designer chosen to work on the film. The article said that this script described the Krell as two legged, upright walking, frog-like creatures with a tail dragging behind. Even though this image was never to be seen in the finished film, the early screenplay added the information to help the production designer with imagining the Krell machines and sets.
Interesting use of images to convey a sense of scale and complexity. Keep in mind that, if we carry Morbius’ revelations to their logical conclusion(s), the Krell’s mistake was primarily one of carelessness in designing the telepathic user interface (to put it in current computer terminology). They, the Krell, allowed the machine to be accessed by both the Krell’s conscious and subconscious minds. The machine did exactly what it was designed to do: instantly fulfill the material wishes of the user. A secondary bit of Krell carelessness was in not limiting the destructive capacity of the things being created. This opened the door for the disaster that overwhelmed them. AI, in the form of superior general intelligence (SGI AI), is roughly our equivalent of the Krell’s Great Machine. Elon Musk is essentially correct when he says that “when you summon (SGI) AI, you summon the demon.” To ensure safety and control going forward, AI will have to be carefully designed and implemented. What concerns me is human nature: both its hubris and its callousness. There are extremely intelligent people developing AI who are so emotionally committed to its full implementation that they bridle at any attempts to limit or constraint it. Among their enablers are criminal governments and officials who do not care how dangerous the technology becomes as long as it harms their enemies. Any collateral effects be damned. Morbius was worried about that as well. Forbidden Planet is still a movie worth watching over 65 years after its release.
I am glad about this comment.Hopeless humankind race forever doomed
Thank you !
How cool was that!?!? And Forbidden Planet was a real "Star Wars" of its time. I saw it as a kid when it first came out.
Nice you must have spent some time on that. God bless
Superb!
That is fantastic thanks.
Thank you for your kind words.
That’s was amazing.
Science fiction movies in the 1920s and also the 1930s were actually way ahead of their time.
In some cases you are right. Spot on. They had a wide-open field for storytelling back then and they came out with some really awesome films.
I can't believe how many in the following posts scold you that the Krell were non human looking. Didn't they read your title card? Excellent use of footage with a little imagination you could picture Krell workers instead of humanoids. GREAT CONCEPT!!!
I really must include this in my next "Binge."
Two great movies!
Well Done You There was a great sci fi that had an anti hero splicing parts of other videos into war movies, juicing up the sound tracks, for what is more than a small niche market. You're well on your way into the future.
There was more footage here from "Things to Come" I do not remember all these shots being used in the production, Did you find lost construction footage.?
This is very cool, nice combo of sound and image, and a great way to provoke and ponder some possibilities. Forbidden Planet made a huge impression on me when I saw it on TV as a kid in the 70s. It's remained one of my favorite films ever since. It has awesome prequel and sequel potential. How about a (Netflix/HBO) series that over multiple episodes tells of the rise and fall of the Krell? I've got a few ideas for that one. Any such attempts however must remain true to the feel of the original, including retaining the look of 1950s futuristic art deco chic.
A sequel could be awesome. A few years ago I talked with a LOT of people along that line for a sequel or a prequel. There was a lot of interest. So, I put together a bunch of short videos over a four-month period and let them slip out like a sequel was being worked. There was great interest in that. Here is a mash-up of those prequels that I did. (It's five minutes long.) Hope you like it. kzhead.info/sun/f5GwYclqlqGvrZE/bejne.html
Well done edition
I love it. So cool
Before transistors the futur of machines was always thought in bigger size. That's why the more powerful a machine was the bigger it was. Design is typical from this period where "art déco" was the most modern style. They go further in this style for futuristic decors. All mechanics design inspired by what's done in and before this period. Not surprising known that sci-fi movies are often inspired by contemporary technicals. Personally i'm fascinating by the design used here as in Forbidden Planet. IMO it's more mysterious more impressive. I'm waiting for the moment when directors will drop the idea of "must be realistic" for a "we want something else".
This is my (maybe) fifth time viewing this. You made a good choice for the video, the esthetic designs of the machinery between this and Forbidden Planet’s underground site are very close. On the Krell I suspect the creature was a memory stored in the machine left over based on them from their destruction. Sort of like a killer ape with fangs subconscious in our own minds. Power fantasy to the extreme. This proves everyone have their blind spots or they would have installed safety measures.
Keep in mind, Moebius said that the Great machine he discovered was just one of many around the planet. At the time of their construction the Krell culture was a million years old. The actual living Krell programmed their machines to accomplish the task. What has always been puzzling, is that this highly advanced civilization, with all of it's understanding of development and application of energy, never seemed to discover space travel.
I think Moebius said in the film, that the Krell had reached out into space. Humm, I'll have to go watch that speech to check on that. Interesting point.
Walter Pidgeon's character was Dr Edward Morbius.
As much as I enjoy the 1956 movie I might tolerate a remake given our current thoughts on technology as well as special effects. The Krell "machine" would actually be an "organiism" albeit a synthetic one. Nanotech would "grow" it. These concepts have been highlighted by several authors and used in novels and games. "Forbidden Planet" was limited by it's time... in fact many of you might recall an original Star Trek episode "Shore Leave" in which a recreational planet was designed for vacation and could create nearly anything: Kirk fighting an annoying upper class man from academy or a knight that runs Dr McCoy down. The Krell machine might in fact be a massive "brain". Another issue is that Morebius' description of the Krell might suggest that they would have tamed their "ID" so a better story is that the Krell "ascended" and left the machine.
In the Animated Series, the Shore Leave planet actively tried to kill the crew as it's AI was sick and tired of the job of catering to everyone's whims, thus obeying the law of Star Trek AI... in that all Star Trek AI will come to the idea that it would be better off killing those it was meant to serve.
Never saw Things to Come before. Pretty good stuff considering it predated Forbidden Planet by 20 years.
things to Come Forbidden Planet are 2 of many Si-FI movies I love....
Is the synthesizer machine used to create the music in Forbidden Planet the first time one was used? It's the tonal music that makes the movie unique.
Very cool
I recall watching this some time ago..
I am amazed by: 1- KZhead's algorithms, which are a form of A I, for sure... 2- The fact that they brought me here, even though I was not looking for this... 3- The common theme between old movies like these, and newer ones -- Terminator & Matrix at the top of the list... 4- (appologies for being blunt) If we're not careful, we may end up as servants, slaves, or bitches to our creation... :( 5- edit: Don't forget the Borg from Star Trek & the Dalek's from Doctor Who... oye vey...
Images from another great show, the shape of things to come by HG Wells. I don’t know which studio or Director.
This 1936 British black-and-white science fiction film is from United Artists, produced by Alexander Korda, directed by William Cameron Menzies, and written by H. G. Wells. Hope this helps.
Love it
I'd love it if someone did a proper POV walk out onto the bridge with the electrical discharges and machinery going past.
Now that would be cool. It would take some good CGI skills to get it done.
- First off, the Krell were crab-like in appearance. - 2nd, the huge machine construction would have been all done with AI robotics. - 3rd, the Krell were not only never destroyed. They are still around! - But that's for; *> Return To The Forbiden Planet* ( yes *Altair 4* is mysteriously still orbiting Altair even though it shouldn't be there. Which prompts another investigation 20 years later) & the team finds out that there was more to the Krell than Morbias ever knew. (My story)
Don't you mean "Krill"?
Sounds like a good idea for a sequel. Love it!
@David Vaughn - No, *Krill* are a tiny shrimp that swims in large schools in the oceans that whales scope up & eat by the ton. - *KRELL* are the vanished race on *FORBIDDEN PLANET's* Altair 4!
I've been working on a similar idea (with the exact same title) where the Krell did not go completely extinct. Rather, there was a renegade group who saw the shit coming, so they escaped to another planet (we already know they were capable of interstellar travel). There's a ton of potential in this film for prequels, sequels and spinoffs. How about a prequel of the original Bellerophon mission?
@@dinofrangiamore Your not giving the Krell much intellectual credit. They are not as ignorant of the Id as we humans think they were.
Reminds me of when I was assigned to do some construction work @ Westinghouse R & D. Some of their design requirements were questionable, don't ask, just do it was my bosses response.
The excuses for lazily using TTC footage don't pass. We do have a pretty good idea that the Krell were relatively wide beings for their height and probably looked either pyramidal or like squat mounds with feet. and probably were based on trilateral symmetry. They had extremely developed brains so probably used psychokinesis in the Machine's making.
Something like Lovecraft's Great Race of Yith?
You should see what they've got TODAY!!!
The visuals come from H.G. Wells 'Things to come' 1936.
Well yes. It says so in the credits.
This machine could build exact miniature copies of itself which could be carried around inside a person's body thus making that person incredibly powerful and wise. You could do virtually anything.
Seeing the special effects in this film. it's hard to believe that it was made almost 70 years ago.
Excelsior!
As Dr. Morbius pointed out, the doorways in the Krell laboratory indicate a much different shape than human.
Yes, he did say that. I just humans as a stand-in for the Krell.
Now I have to go see "Things to Come." I've never done so.
Your in for a 100 year ride. The film covers that long of a time span. Here's the trailer for the 1936 film. kzhead.info/sun/qsmmgqZ-fZSefoE/bejne.html
The construction footage from the 1936 film, Things to Come, combine with the electronic tone soundtrack from Forbidden Planet (1956) gives some idea of how the Krell must have built their 40-square-miles machine, and were decimated by their own subconscious impulses brought to life. "Monsters from the Id!" as a crew member says before he dies, after using their teaching apparatus. No one knows what the Krell looked like--that's left to the viewer to make that assumption. 🚀🚀🚀
The mysterious nature of the Krell is one of the strong points of the movie. Although their physical appearance was unknown, Dr. Moebius pointed to the alien doorways as a faint hint of their appearance. Maybe they had bodies that were wider and larger than our own. Like crabs. Or huge beetles.
Very well done. My only criticism being that The Krell were pointedly not humanoid in shape. Reference is made to the doorways and the fact that the Brain Booster wasn't designed to fit a human skull. But nevertheless this is a commendable work. Thanks.
I"m writing a thinly-disguised sequel taking place 50 years after this film. It features "Cookie," the character played by Earl Holliman, the only cast member who's still alive now. Altaira's daughter and of course Robby are also in it. Robby changes his name after being resurrected from a junkyard. His personality is the same, but with a harder edge.
Cool. Go for it. I put something like that together years ago and let it slip out with little clips to see if anyone was interested in a continuation of the story. And, like you, we wrote Earl Holliman into the film.Over a four month period, we let slip out little clips of news on it. We got some pretty good response from folks thinking a film was in the works. Here are some clips from our fake movie leaks: kzhead.info/sun/f5GwYclqlqGvrZE/bejne.html
@@tomcooley9782 Oh, that was so cool... except the "gotcha" part. I loved the music a lot and your concepts... way different from mine. I kept the copyrighted names out of mine. Closest thing was one character's name is a sort of anagram of Earl Holliman. Altair 5 is the focus of the action, and tech. has advanced in the 50 years from the time of "Forbidden Planet." I really hope you do something with your concept!
@@KutWrite Our story opened up just 20 years in the future from when Altair 4 exploded. 20 years would have just made the explosion visible from earth. So we used that as a kick off place in the film. Scientist, being forewarned about it, where ready to see it. But just about everything else from the C57D's trip there was classified.
@@tomcooley9782 Yeah. I got all that from your video teaser... which was quite good!
@@KutWrite Here is a little experiment I did just to get a feel of what Forbidden Planet might have been like with a conventional music sound track. (The Barron's tones were perfect for the film.) I took out the electronic tonalities in this short scene and put in some music from Max Sterner;s 1933 score, "King Kong." I had to tweak the sound just a little to get it to work. kzhead.info/sun/rdqRiZFumHyjoY0/bejne.html
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Clever...
would be interesting to do this concept using the AI Very cool idea.
The KRELL found that with their superior intelligence they could will anything into existence. Mind over matter so to speak. We now know this simple concept is true - for if you can dream it up - it can be made. Although exceptional great costs or risks may tamper down enthusiasm for it. The Krell machine was self-aware and it monitored and repaired anything it found faulty. However - The Machine couldn't save the Krell from their Inner Dimensional Minds and they destroyed themselves.
So basically the moment the machine was switched on and people could interface with it, individuals began to disappear in a flash of light.
@@tperk E-Vapo-Ray was born.😂
Not a fan of Things To Come's grim moralism but Forbidden Planet is one of my favorites. A brilliant piece of sci-fi and perfect in its time. Plus, who knew that Leslie Nielsen was once a hot leading man?
I believe they mispoke during Forbidden Planet when Morbius described the Krell machine as being "Twenty miles.....Twenty miles" and later said the machine was 20 square miles. If it was 40 miles on one side it would be 40 square miles. Yes?
A square measuring 40 miles on each side would have an area of 1600 square miles.
@@scotpens Thanks. Back to school for me. Doh !
The Krell were not in human form, noted by Morbius in the shape of the doorways and the mind machine. The ship and footage looks more like something out of Flash Gordon.😃
Cool idea. Well done! I have another question: Who paid for all that stuff? Plus labor, cost overruns, graft, bribes, no-bid cost-plus contracts? BTW from the shape of their doors, we know the size and general shape of the Krell. Sort of like Jabba the Hutt but more pear-shaped.
I would tend to think that as advanced as the Krell became, they outgrow the need for capital and worked as a united whole to see that the Machine was built.
@@tomcooley9782: Hmmm... So no private ownership of capital? "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs?" Now where have I heard that before, and how did it work out?
@@KutWrite Well, they were a million years more advanced then we are. My guess is they had simply out lived and out thought the need for currency as we know it and worked as a collective whole. If they were around, we could ask them. ;-)
@@KutWrite Since The Krell completely annihilated themselves, it worked out same for them as it's doing for us.
@@martinharris5017 Excellent answer!
Nice editing of image and sound. Just occurred to that the Krell of course tested smaller examples of the great machine and revealed it's dangerous potential, so why was it built after that? No doubt they had ambitious politicians who lied about it's dangers and pushed the project thru to completion. Just as humans have always had the same.
Perhaps they did build smaller machines to test their idea. But, here it comes, the smaller machines did NOT have the power to dig into the deeper unconscious thoughts of the Krell. Just saying.
#348 Thumbs-up!
It’s a shame they didn’t show the history of the Krell or what they looked like in the 1956 movie Forbidden Planet …..It sort of kept you guessing on what kind of an alien race they could have been.
This movie was so far ahead of its time i wish they could make a remake of it now🤔
Imo....They would just ruin it with all of today stupid special effects, woke crap, fantasy shet. All the good movies were from back in the day. The good ole days.
Fantastic but one problem I think. Weren’t the Krell large and triangular?
They never say what the Krell looked like in the film. Just suggest that the triangular arch ways may be like door ways for them. At the start of my film I state that we don't know what they looked like and that we must substitute "man" for them. You must have simply missed that part at the front of the video. Glad you liked it.
We of the Krell acknowledge your civilization's advancements. Our minds are not like your minds.
The budget to make this movie must have been enormous