Our Sulcata and Leopard Tortoise had Eggs?!
2024 ж. 4 Қаң.
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Whoa! Our sulcata tortoise Sharon laid surprise eggs! The only male tortoise we have (who loves her very much) is Rafiki, our leopard tortoise, meaning if these hatch they'd be "Leoparcata" hybrid tortoises!!
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Sharon has the nesting instincts of an urban pigeon, laying an egg directly onto concrete like that
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If you were curious,the reason they do that is because those are rock doves. It's a natural behavior.
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@@RainCheck797ohhh you beat me to it! But yeah rock doves be like that
For her to develop and lay eggs, must mean she’s very happy and healthy- so glad to see she’s doing well!
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yeah im happy shes doing good
she has just as much motherly love as omelet did!
Omnomlette
Who's omlete
Omelette was a snake that was caught eating one of her own eggs. It’s why she has that name.
@@FireFog44*Omnomlette
Omnomlette was so cute but her motherly instincts were not good at all Rest In Peace Omnomlette
I appreciate you guys making the responsible decision to not incubate more eggs than you could home yourselves. I recently had to help a friend make a similar decision and it was more difficult than it seems in theory. They found a cat who was possibly pregnant. They had no space to care for kittens themself, no friends with space to take them, and no shelter space available in the area. Since we're close and both cat lovers, they consulted me on whether to spay her or let her have the kittens. My knee-jerk was for her to keep the kittens, but I had to grapple with whether that was the kindest thing for the potential mom, the kittens, and the general population of stray and shelter cats. It was a days-long deliberation session on the ethics and feelings involved, but in the end we decided together that spaying was the best option. Luckily, when they went in to do the spay she ended up just being oddly round and not pregnant, I hope you have similar luck in not having to dispose of any of Sharon's fertilized eggs.
Spay aborts are actually a fairly common-ish practice to avoid unwanted litters adding to the population. I say common-ish because not every vet will do them.
When I did work experience in a vet surgery, a shelter dropped in a pregnant cat to be spayed. They had no spaces for kittens and no homes they could give them to. It was an incredibly difficult surgery to watch but an important lesson
Luckily she only has the issue of incubation space😂 reptiles are pretty much ready to sell out the egg and she has THOUSANDS of customers but these tortoises are like pandas in the “almost to dumb to exist” department so it takes a experienced owner not just someone’s pet
I’m glad the cat wasn’t actually pregnant. But I can’t imagine the having to make that emotional decision.
Tortoise eggs are definitely edible, because one of the big reasons many sea turtles are endangered is because sailors used to eat their eggs on sea voyages.
And the turtles themselves. They were very tasty (apparently).
@@slytheringingerwitch I suppose nearly anything would be very tasty after a seajourney of eating nothing but hard flour rocks
@@Alvarneaoh, hardtack? (cue the CLACK CLACK) (if you get that reference i love you)
Hehe. Mhm. Clack clack indeed, from a certain history chief. @@itsdragoninawagon
@@itsdragoninawagon We love to see it!
Can we get confirmation she safely passed the last 9 eggs? With or without bebehs, 2023 was hard enough without Sharon having a medical emergency, too
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In the hobby they are called Lepracata, yes they are a hybrid. Some years ago a fan of KZheadr Kenan Harkin (Kamp Kenan) had dropped off I think 4 or 6 Lepracata's as he was no longer able to care for them. Kenan does not cross breed, he accepted them so they had a place to live out their lives & uses them for education purposes on hybrids. They don't get as big as sulcata's either.
He doesnt have then anymore though which is a shame because they were beautiful tortoises!
i'm surprised something living came out it, they aren't the closest related species
@@prcervi they're not that different
@@prcervi They're still both tortoises, it's like crossing a lion with a tiger.
@@electrowave114 lion tiger crossing are not healthy creatures look my surprise is simply this, sulcatas are 3 branching points up and 3 branching points down a completely different line away from leopard tortoises, the aldabra tortoise is more closely related to sulcatas and a crossing of those 2 would still surprise me
If they're fertile, they're gonna be so cool!
They interbreed in the wild so it wouldn't surprise me if they are
I'm pretty sure if hybrids do hatch, many will be held back...
@@lilysamvelian9970Oh for sure! Until they get them breeding the hybrid form
the hybrids also end up infertile kinda like mules
@@itsdragoninawagon ...not always. There is a hybrid lizard that can reproduce asexually in the wild for instance
I half expected Sharon to drop a tactical one while she was being carried out of spite.
I think four of those may be fertile. I have candled chicken eggs that look yellow with red veining at first. Four of those showed a slightly darker orange netting that could be the very start of veins. Check again in a couple of weeks.
I thought the same thing!
Yup, definitely saw a subtle ring in one, and a couple others looked... Idk, darker I guess?
I thought so too!
You know they are professionals and know what their doing right?
@@Gatekeeper_Edits I am an artist trained to see subtle differences in shades of color. I saw tiny veins just like my chicken eggs look like when they first start to develop veins. Incubate until their is no debate.
The new camera is surely making huge differences with the colors. The color of the eggs are shown more clearly compared to before. So excited for next egg videos 😊
Ooh! I wonder if it will show the lavender hognose's colors properly, or if all cameras just mute the color regardless.
@@kairon9225 that was my thought too!
@@kairon9225Right!? I've wanted to see them in truecolor but the past videos haven't really projected them well.
Thank you so much for being responsible and only considering incubating 5 the full duration. Too many people think that just becuase they were laid fertile, they should hatch. It's really important that animals are bred responsibly - reptiles live for SO LONG and people don't understand that or their long-term care needs, so they just end up abandoned. So incubating and hatching literally EVERY egg when you can't guarantee it a good long-term home is just dooming the reptile to a very long life of neglect.
Especially regarding turtles and tortoises that often outlive their owners. I prepared for the egg situation when I was doing research on bearded dragon care, might someday eventually get into reptile breeding, when I have more room, but right now, I only have the room for my one bearded dragon, and I was happy when I sexed it as male, cause that means no having to incubate eggs for 2 weeks to see if they are fertile from parthenogenesis or infertile and then somehow make room for a bunch of babies if they are parthenogenically fertile. Would I have dealt with the eggs responsibly if it was female? Yes. Am I able to take care of hatchling beardies? Yes. Would I be able to find people who would care for them once they turned 6 or 8 weeks old? Yes, with the help of my dad. Do I have the space for any babies, let alone another adult? No.
It's the same with parrots, many of the larger ones can live to 80-90 even 100 years. Which is great, but when you have humans that have a considerably shorter lifespan it can be traumatising for the parrot. I've been to a wildlife park that took in several pet large parrots, many of whom were all seniors tye oldest there was 70 and would mimic his owner's "smokers cough" and would talk and say funny thing, he was a very sweet and sociable bird (it was a large walk-in avery) but it was sad to see.
Yeah. I've heard of tortoise owners like putting in their will that like "x grandchild will be responsible for the care of the tortoise once I pass away" or something along those lines because of just how long some tortoises live, like well over 100 years.
@@caterscarrots3407if I had fertile parthenogenetic eggs, I'd still freeze and toss them. The offspring would all be female, and capable of also reproducing parthenogenetically, since Mom did.
@@Michelle_Mayo Well, I’d rather have an all female clutch than kill babies that I know I can take care of and find good homes for. That’s just my thoughts on it. And actually, at least for bearded dragons, it wouldn’t be all female, it would be more like 2/3 female cause these are the possibilities of what the self fertilized egg could be: Z egg + Z egg -> ZZ male Z egg + W egg -> ZW female W egg + Z egg -> ZW female W egg + W egg -> Incompatible with life, not gonna hatch
Sharon has the nesting instincts of a pigeon I swear. I have seen photos of a pigeon having laid an egg on a pile of three twigs and one (1) leaf. I think the one thing that could possibly beat that is my cat having a baby in a (thankfully unused) trash can. A lepracata sounds almost like a pokemon. Wonder what that sort of tortious would look like. Fingers crossed Sharon gets through this alright and doesn't need surgery to remove the rest of the eggs.
The reason pigeons do that is because they are a rock dove. Their egg is cone shaped and rolls in circles. They don't need or make. Nest in the wild like many other cliff species. Sometimes they bring a stick or 2and put it in areas where the egg tends to roll towards
I think our old cat can beat yours. Gave birth on my mom's nap (while she was asleep)
@@tamsel814 That sounds like a fun way to wake up.
@@acheronalexander I actually do know this. It is a pretty interesting adaptation imo. I just still see it as comical.
I suspect the cat giving birth in the trash can is related to cats (of most solitary species) preferring caves (or for house cats; boxes) as 'safe places' so the trash can was likely her version of a small, dark, compact place that she could safely give birth whilst also keeping an eye on the entrance - it is also likely that nothing larger than her (predator wise) can enter the space if she herself barely fits. (My cat LOVES to sit in boxes that are realistically far too small for her but she somehow finds a way.... insert liquid cat meme here)
Even though the eggs don't seem to be fertile, Sharon must surely be doing well to be laying them at all, so that's good to hear :)
Not gonna lie, I'm kinda glad the eggs aren't fertile, I agree with Emily that the world doesn't need more sulcatas being bred in captivity, specially considering how long they live, it's so hard to guarantee that they'll be well taken care of for their entire life. I'm happy Emily mentioned about not planning to incubate all of them for those reasons. I hope Sharon was safely able to pass all the eggs, btw!
This is just showing how much they love their home! ❤
This is so nice to see that Sharon is going to hopefully have babies. This is some good news from a reptile channel after watching Brian Barczyk just announced on KZhead that he has gone into hospices care after sadly losing his battle with pancreatic cancer.
Man I knew I should have watched Brian's video first 😭😭😭😭😢
rip bozo 🙏
Damn. I don't agree with everything Brian does/says but it's undeniable he was a large figure in the community and was knowledgeable
Pretty sure he is still alive as of now
@@Angryginger2421 Yes, but he still lost the battle. There's nothing more that can be done.
Everyone keep Brian Barczyk in your thoughts and prayers he is at the end of his road.... he will be missed very much
A hybrid tortoise would be awesome! I didn’t know that a Sulcata tortoise and leopard tortoise hybrid was possible, but after googling it I very much so hope that a hybrid tortoise will appear at the zoo. Very beautiful and interesting creatures.
Rafiki succeeded in his quest!! Lol EDIT: Well, he tried.
I wonder if she was having a hard time laying in that substrate? She might do better in a sand dirt mix with a wider area like one of Rex's old pools. Hope some of the eggs end up fertile!
So grateful for your vet's filming the behind the scenes at the hospital for us. ❤️ Thanks guys!!!
Well, at least you now know for sure she’s a girl! I’m happy to hear you talk a little about pet sulcatas. Yes, they are cute, but they get big fast and can easily out-live their owners. Too many captive-bred tortoises and not enough caring homes for them!
Idk whats up with people being eager to breed such a hard to keep reptile
I'm so happy you weren't going to incubate all the eggs if they were fertile. You see I have a girl 🐢 that I've had since she was just a few weeks old and she's now 34 years old. She is EXTREMELY tame, loving, friendly smart. She understands at least 40 to 50 words and is also a very bossy girl. She sleeps in a very soft, fluffy and heated bed next to my bed. She has always slept in her heated and padded bed with all her favorite blankets. She started going into heat when she was about 20 years old and she spent a lot of her time watching out the windows for a boyfriend 🐢 but unfortunately she never found a boyfriend. However she lays her eggs over a period of a month or so and she typically lays them in her blankets. She likes to dig on the carpet which I believe helps induce labor or at minimum help the eggs drop into the birthing canal because after she digs on the carpet for sometimes 5 or more hours, she goes back to her blankets that she's rooted up and she lays a small clutch until the next clutch is ready. BUT a few years she has laid all but 1 or 2 eggs. She also has years that not all the eggs are the same size. I've never had any eggs broken so you may want to add calcium into her diet for next year. I do believe she will lay about the same amount of 25 to 35 every year regardless of whether she's 👰💒married or not. 😉😂😂 They can't see in the dark so even a nightlight is best to be left on for turtles so they can find their way around their pen for water excetra. She will find the best way to lay her eggs as did our girl. We did exactly what you did way back on her few clutch but she refused to dig a whole and she liked to put them in her blankets. We didn't have the internet in existence when we had our girl so unfortunately we let her guide us as to what she wanted and we just trusted her instincts. I did everything else to see if it was a welcome gift or something she hated. I learned she liked fresh water to drink when egg laying and she liked quiet and not to be bothered but she did like us to be there in the room but just not bothering her. After the eggs she was really hungry for a month or so and then she doesn't eat much. It's the same every year except this year she only laid a couple eggs so I think this was her last year. I will be happy about that because it is hard on them. But now that she is almost 35 I think that's it for the eggs. ❤ I have been asked to bring her into the schools and show her off more and because kids love her so much I don't want to encourage them to be getting turtles as pets. They are a lot of work but especially that they can outlive us, they are a HUGE commitment for at least 50 years and my daughter did not take her turtle with her when she left home. 😂 Just say no!!! Donate money or your time to a shelter instead. ❤❤❤❤
Please do an updated meet all our snakes (living at the back of the shop) video! It'd be so interesting to see who you all still have vs your newer snakes 🐍
even if none are fertile id like to see a community tab update when she gets all the eggs out!
Sharon is like "motherhood? nah." xD
Go Sharon go! May have been a trick of the light but i thought two of the candled eggs had a light ring in them
Im so happy you posted ive had a ruff day ive felt sick all day and brian the other KZheadr i love posted devastating news and ive just been sad about it he was one of my favorite KZheadrs along with you ofc you guys make my day alot❤ you guys are also my comfort channel
Brian has been the biggest inspiration to me since I first found him all those years ago and not only me but the millions and millions of people all around the world.❤ I just don't even know what to say he spread kindness love and forgiveness 🙏🙏
the vet filming parts for emily is so sweet
Was pretty worried when I clicked the video and especially when they said 30 eggs but thanks for being responsible!! Just sounds impossible to rehome 30 tortoises. I'm so glad you guys are looking at this ethically and responsibly 🥰
Leoparcata sounds like a dish you'd get in a restaurant haha! It's a shame it's probably a false alarm but if it's for the best it's for the best
It really does! Sounds exotic😅
I don't blame Rafiki for getting things wrong. I've seen videos of giant tortoises trying to mate with rocks, shoes, trees, the ground... 😂 But perhaps his...attempts stimulated Sharon to produce eggs. I dunno. I know nothing of terrapin procreation tbh. I could be talking out of my butt. 😅
Emily: he tries every day to show his love to Sharon but usually from the wrong end. Well, maybe he was trying to make her show him HER love
Walking is good for labor. Go Sharon! What a glow up for her. Thank you for being such caring caretakers for these wonderful and misunderstood animals.
Omnomlette is in snake heaven looking down at the smushed eggs and thinking what a waste of deliciousness
New camera is SO MUCH BETTER ❤
I had pitocin during my first child's delivery and it gave me the worst contractions ever and they were non-stop with no breaks. I really hope it doesn't have the same effect on animals.
As someone who I obsessed with tortoises, this is the best video from y’all ever(as of now) and it’s only because it’s about tortoises. And I will not change my mind.
Are you already subscribed to Garden State Tortoises? their channel is such a fun watch too!
The eggs look just like ping pong balls lmao. And since hybrids are apparently possible, I shouldn't be surprised, considering how dedicated Rafiki is to reproduction 😂
Sharon has just as much mother instinct as I have
@SnakeDiscovery Have you guys ever considered turning a corner of your greenhouse into a tortoise lay area? Have a designated spot specifically for Sharon's laying period (they need a lot more space than the bin to dig and lay properly from what I've seen in other videos), and IF you guys hatch babies, use that area for raising them up for adoption? I don't know just a thought. Hope they do hatch, hybrids will be so cool!!❤❤❤😊😊😊
That is honestly a brilliant idea!
You should take a large (but not overly so) bin, maybe 1/2 the size of the second laybox, and make it a permanent laybox for her. That way if/when this happens again she has one ready to go
I appreciate you guys making the responsible decision to incubate only ten eggs. Love you, guys, have a wonderful week=3
this camera quality is better than my eyesight
I do hope they surprise you, but Sharon’s health is obviously the bigger priority. She’s a pretty tortoise!
happy new year guys!! I can't wait for hatching season 2024
Honestly I'm glad they all seem to be duds. It's already hard enough to find homes for Sulcata and to keep the species gene pool healthy. Adding more individuals much less hybrids is just taking homes away from those already in need, and too often records get lost when ill-prepared owners pass them along.
Sharon is going to need a permanent lay box access during her breeds laying season. Creating one would make a good follow up video.
Or at least the basking stones should be covered in something soft. I think she kept squashing the eggs because she didn't exactly have room in the box to get off of them.
You inspire me so much. I not able to get a snake or reptile but watching your videos fills me with joy and I love personality’s. Love you guys ❤❤❤❤❤
It would be amazing to have a 2023 recap. Like x number of visitors to the zoo, x number of surrenders, x number of adoptions, x number of snake discovery produced babies (you could even break them into snakes, lizards, amphibians, inverts), x number of different species that had babies, x number of videos brought out, x number of shows visited, x number of new reptiles to the SD family etc. I think that would be a really cool thing to see all you've achieved this year. You could also honour some of the lost like Jupiter and omnomlette.
I knew someone had gotten a new camera with those really clear shots. Happy New Year!
I’m so glad this happened after omnomlette,Jupiter, and Brad 😢 but some AWESOME news!! They are going to be so cute!! Can’t wait!
I wonder if the new camera can show lavenders in true colors!
shes just like omnom emedetly squishing her eggs
The asmr while she was making her lay box was so nice👌perfection!! Also I love your videos!!
Awesome to see those eggs and I wish more to come in the future.
i needed this today😢
Watch, Sharon stepped only on fertile eggs.
Anyone else wondering if the reason Sharon wasn't showing any nesting behavior was because she knew that the eggs weren't fertile? It would certainly explain why she didn't care enough to even bury them.
At least fans know for certain that Sharon wasn't misgendered. Also, 3 of those eggs looked fertilized to me (from raising birds)
I absolutely love your videos! Your energy is so infectious and your vast quantities of knowledge is just incredible!
Every woman who has had that pitocin injection - *does a sympathise*
What a wild start for 2024...
Sharon got about as strong maternal instincts as I do.
Emily after seeing a cracked turtle egg- “I wonder if I can eat it…” “Ed, do you want to tortoise egg?”
I never comment but would LOVE to say the quality of your video have been excellent I love the editing of setting up the lay box. As well I love the authentic of your videos but the quality is still amazing!!! Sorry just been watching yall forever and seeing the improvement and watching yall grow is amazing!!
I have seen leopard/sulcata hybrid babies for sale at expos. They’re pretty cute❤
Wow Sharon 😩😩😂😂
Looks like Rifiki's cries were heard😂
I haven’t watched you guys in a long time and now I’ve come back to some amazing news!! ❤❤ I can’t wait to see the babys!!
I'm glad they weren't fertile. I know that sounds terrible but there's way too many of them in captivity now and in horrid conditions. And especially in the northern climates. I do know somebody that owns one of these tortoises in the northern states, but it is difficult to say the least. Not ideal conditions. It takes a commitment that most people just are not willing or able to do.
You actually can palpate turtles and tortoises when they are full of eggs! You gently palpate the hollow area right in front of their back leg and you can feel their abdomen a little bit
Ed & Emily I'm so sorry for the loss of your brother and friend Brian of the Reptarium, he was an awesome person he will never be forgotten 😢😢😢
There's been no mention of his passing yet, just to clarify.
@@Stairsnake highly doubt that but to each their own, opinions are like buttholes everybody has one lol
Well well well....I was wondering why when I was there back in December that Rafiki was on the correct side of Sharon making some pretty interesting noises. Turtles doing the deed is quite interesting.
100% agree with the fact that the world doesn’t need more sulcatas in captivity. There is a huge issue with over breeding of ball pythons, leopard geckos, and beardies too.
I didn’t know that leopard hybrid sulcata tortoises were possible, but after some googling, I quickly realized that it was!. I am excited to hopefully see some cute baby tortoises in your upcoming videos!.
I didn't know it was possible either, I thought at first that it was probably a parthenogenic clutch, cause I know a lot of reptiles will do that, especially snakes and lizards, but I'm sure turtles and tortoises also lay parthenogenic clutches sometimes. I prepared for the possibility of a parthenogenic clutch when I was doing my bearded dragon care research and ended up getting a male and not having to deal with that possibility.
I needed this after learning about Brian being in hospice
My family has a sulcata and the plan for our (4 years old) tortoise Tucker is when my mom passes. Tucker will be passed down to me.
Emily: I wish your speices were smarter Sharon: (look of shame) Ed: yeah, you're right 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I'm so happy for you guys getting tortoise eggs! Very exciting! I'm so upset about Brian Barczyk's inevitable passing. In case anyone doesn't know he is a huge youtuber promoting facts about reptiles and animals. He sadly contracted Pancreatic Cancer, and it can not be cured. He has tried chemo, but his body is slowly dying and he is in pain. God bless you Brian. 💕🙏
He breeds spiders. He put animals aesthetics over their welfare. Karma imo.
@@thrownraze8072I don't see breeding spiders as inherent condemnation. There is a spider keeping hobby that has benefits to encouraging education and reducing fear that is taught and unnecessary. I know several breeders who work with jumping spiders, for example, who are extremely committed to the quality of life of their tiny animals. I'll spare the internet the rest of my thoughts on Brian. He's dying and I'll let him rest in peace. I am concerned for the future of his animals, though, much like I've been concerned about their past.
@@tinkeramma hi, I don't know much about Brian as I don't watch his videos but pretty sure the above poster is not talking about arachnids but a snake morph called spider that apparently causes neurological issues in snakes. :) just to let you know.
@christinkunze Yup, feeling dumb now because I know that. It's the reason I only briefly explored his content. Unless someone was focusing their study on how to improve quality of life in these animals with strong evidence to suggest it's attainable, I don't find it acceptable to breed morphs that consistently result in animals who suffer. I don't care how pretty their siblings are. I don't even care how pretty the spider morph ball pythons are. It's my absolute favorite morph and still I find it unconscionable. I hope to one day rescue an adult spider, but I can't condemn an animal to a tortured existence even if they'd be really cute as a baby. I won't even watch most channels that show them because I can't feel okay contributing to monetizing their suffering. If they show up as Snake Discovery rescues, I'd watch that like crazy.
@@thrownraze8072 My apologies for being an idiot.
Man. I remember when yall first got sharon. Now its been almost 2 years since you got her and she's laying eggs! Love to all of yall.❤
I've so glad you brought her in for radiographs! ( Love from a vet tech
Fertile or not, I presume eggs means that Sharon is healthy and happy with her life, and that's the most important thing. 💚
I feel you Sharon! I'll be going in for induction soon here too. Fingers crossed for a healthy and safe delivery for me as well. 😂
If you dont add a male sulcata its all good but thats really cool that Sharon and Rafiki cross bred.😮😊😊
Sharon is So Tortoise, just dropping eggies wherever.
With how much you guys work on breeding as many hognoses and bullsnakes as you can, it was definitely interesting to see the other side of the process, when you're actually NOT happy about it! Since Sulcata's get SO big and live SO long and don't make good pets, you have to think about the future homes of them - and I'm sure they're WAY too hard to transport to those places in the wild that might actually need more of them, so wild-release is not an option, for those guys... Oh hey, kind of a blessing in disguise that they were infertile anyway, so now there's no reason not to eat them! Unless, sanitation... But that's up to yall!
You can't put captive-bred reptiles (especially hybrids) into the wild. They aren't wild.
I saw small rings in a few of those eggs like two i think maybe re checking whould be a good idea
I thought I saw the same thing on two of them❤
also i just wanna say, thanks emily and ed for making this awesome channel! u r the reason i love reptiles when everyone else is scared 🥲🥲
the whole "lay bin" footage reminded me completely of "how to basic"
idk if it was just me but that filming asmr style from 1:50-2:00 was just *chefs kiss*
Poor girl, induced labor hurts like a mofo
Sulcata tortoise x leopard tortoise hybrids, have been documented, so there is a chance that they will hybridise.
Hi I'm a girl child and I love you're videos and I always watch you.💖💝💕💞
Tortoises don't seem to be very good at making sure they don't crush their babies.
Sharon was as prepared for labor as I was 😂😂😂
What a surprise! Honestly, I’m glad they’re not fertile.
The ladie in the background of the vet place when sharon was walking the lady was like "oh my god!" I dont think she was expecting to see a tortoise just going for a walk in the hallway 😂
Congrats on eggs!