Sweden's CV90 or Germany's Marder - Which IFV is better?
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Sweden's CV90 or Germany's Marder - Which IFV is better?
When comparing infantry fighting vehicles, two prominent names that come to mind are Sweden's CV90 and Germany's Marder. Both IFVs have seen extensive service with their respective countries and other operators around the world. These IFVs have undergone several upgrades and modernizations over the years to stay effective in modern warfare. Although there are some similarities between the two vehicles, their design, capabilities, and performance exhibit notable differences. In this comparison, we will take a closer look at the CV90 and Marder and examine their strengths and weaknesses to determine which IFV is better.
The latest variant of CV90 is a fifth generation IFV designed by BAE Systems for the Swedish Army. The IFV was designed to operate efficiently in the sub-Arctic climate of the Nordic region, providing excellent mobility in snowy and wetland terrains. The vehicle entered service in 1993, and since then it has been sold to several countries, including Norway, Finland, Switzerland, Denmark, Estonia, and the Netherlands. The current variant CV90 mark 4 is highly modular which can perform roles ranging from troop transport to anti-aircraft and anti-tank warfare. The IFV can accommodate a crew of three and transport 6 troops. Since its introduction, around 1280 units have been produced of different variants. On the other hand, the Marder is a German IFV that entered service with the Bundeswehr in 1971. It was designed to replace the older M113 armored personnel carrier and was named after the German word for marten, a swift and agile predator. The IFV has been exported to several countries including Greece, Chile, Indonesia, Jordan, and Ukraine, and it has been deployed in the Gulf War and the War in Afghanistan. The Marder has seen significant upgrades over the years, including improved armor, weapons, and electronics. The latest variant, 1A51 has a crew of three and can transport up to six soldiers. In total, over 2,100 units of different variants have been produced to date.
Both IFVs pack quite a punch when it comes to their weaponry. The Swedish IFV takes the lead with a more powerful gun that can reach targets from a greater distance. But hold on, the Marder counters with an anti-tank missile that matches the CV90's range. The IFV spices things up with multi-purpose grenade launchers, giving it even more firepower with different types of grenades. However, the Marder brings in a whole arsenal of its own, including anti-tank guided missiles and a rifle, which could really come in handy in specific situations.
Watch complete video for analysis of mobility, firepower and detailed conclusion.
Chapters
Intro 00:00
Overview of CV90 01:10
Overview of Marder 01:58
Design of CV90 02:44
Design of Marder 03:40
Design Conclusion 04:23
CV90 Mobility 04:47
Marder Mobility 05:11
Mobility Conclusion 05:32
CV90 Optics 05:41
Marder Optics 06:16
Firepower of CV90 06:46
Firepower of Marder 07:44
Firepower Conclusion 08:28
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Found an error in the video. The CV90 40mm L/70 APFSDS-T Mk II IM round is actually capable of penetrating at least 180mm. This in it self wouldn't penetrate any modern MBT from the front but makes all MBTs vounerable from the sides or rear. The 60mm penetration value referenced is actually from the old Bofors 40mm L/60 guns AP round and is tech from the 1940's
Precis, rätt ska vara rätt.
170mm would put the LFPs of many MBTs in doubt. Certainly most of the T series tanks, Leo2 and Challenger 2 probably the LeClerc and japanese ones as well.
I think sweden's CV90 is lot better.
compared to the RCH 155?
CV90 is much newer and certainly better . Marder is relative old but pretty reliable and also strong
CV90 is a VERY varied and modular platform, it is kind of it's selling point aswell. There are multiple gun options 30mm, 35mm and the cannon much larger 40mm with various types of ammunition 3p programmable ammunition, turret options, armor options, an AA variant, Forward command variant, Recovery vehicle, a 120mm gun tank hunter variant, and many more. 1073 BHP in the high end version that is amphibic and extremely mobile in mudd and snow.
The CV 90 clearly wins here, but i think the CV 90 should better be compared to the bradley or the puma.... As a german i have to say respect to the CV 90, its a very good IFV👍
same here, as a german i should vote for the marder, but honestly the CV is better in almost every aspect.
Maybe, but you're also damn good at building tanks. My absolute favorite is the German tiger wagon
The CV90 have a very "German" end against the russians.......😂😂
@@alejandrocasalegno1657 you can destroy every weapon system. But if the crew is OK the CV90 have done the job it was build for. I would certainly prefer to sit in a CV90 instead of in a BMT!
You have respektfull IFV also..and we bye tanks from you )
cv 90 is such a beast with so much capabilities it is easily one of the best ifvs in the world.
There is not doubt about that.
Marder has been conceived during the 70s, while CV90 is a much recent development, starting around mid 90s.
It starts 1990 !
The Marder is a cold war weapon and will soon be replaced by the Puma, the CV90 has many variants and up to date so it is my choise!
The CV 90 40 mm 3P ammo with 6-modes outguns most IFV:s...
The 30 mm of the most IFVs can outgun the CV90
Sort of difficult to compare weapon systems / platforms that are a whole generation (30 years) apart from one another. It would have made more sense to compare current systems.
Countries I trust the most with Quality of things 1. Sweden 2. Germany 3. Japan 4. USA Im Swedish 😆
USA does not appear on my list. Their quality in many things is trash
I’m also Swedish
Lets just put this out there. The CV90, especially the later models are far more dangerous than the Lynx, Puma, Bradley or K21 fighting vehicles. They are more modern, the cannon is much larger (40mm) the types of ammunition 3p programmable ammunition is deadly as hell. It can air-burst at set ranges, it would annihilate every single Russian in ANY trench with ease from kilometers away. The weight of this IFV is almost as much as the Russian MBT (main battle tanks). Close to 40 Ton. The CV9040 is a highly aggressive vehicle, designed to control the initiative by staying mobile instead of slowing things down to a walk. Aggressive maneuvering is what the CV9040 is designed to do, outmaneuving vehicles and killing them in the flank and charging enemy positions to drop off soldiers right ontop of the enemy. These tactics have been part of the Swedish doctrine since the late fifties as seen in vehicles like the PBV301 and PBV302. And it was directly copied from the German playbook of WW2, where the German panzergrenadiers/dismounts fought more often than not from their halftracks, allowing them to keep pace with the tanks and also maintain initiative through aggressive maneuvering. A Bradley, Puma, K21 and so on is not designed for that type of combat. It's essentially an APC that drops off troops 100m from the fight. The CV9040 drops off troops within 0-50m from the enemy position, or simply drives up to it and let's the troops fight mounted. In Afghanistan it was apparently tremendously deadly. The Danish or Norwegians were caught in some kind of fight/ambush and they annihilated the enemy. P.S 1073 BHP in the high end version that is amphibic and extremely mobile in mudd and snow. D.S
I don't support this statement. Everyone probably has programmable ammunition (I know about Puma and Lynx). The other IFVs consistently rely on better armor. 10mm more in caliber has advantages and disadvantages. I don't think the CV90 is superior to all of them. Otherwise it would have prevailed in America and Australia. But it's good and relatively cheap.
Why are you are comparing an active IFV with a decommissioned one? They were rusting on the scrapyard already for years before they refurbished them for Ukraine. You should have compared the CV90 to the current IFV, wich is the Puma?
The Puma is not operational due issues with the engine and gun turret!
@@crissdiamond1907 That's not true. The Puma was poorly maintained and has passed the latest tests. Thanks to savings, the Bundeswehr is not able to maintain this tank and therefore it has failed in use. The industry has now taken over the maintenance and repair of the Puma.
@@eagle-gx4qf are you accusing the Germans for having a poorly maintenance 🤣… don’t think so, Germans are well known for excellent machinery and maintenance.
@@crissdiamond1907 yes not in this case. there was an investigation into why the puma tanks had failed. it was up to the inexperienced soldiers to the technology of the tanks. That's why they are now maintained by the manufacturer. As a German, I don't find it that funny. 🙄
@@eagle-gx4qf never thought it was possible that Germans had issues with the maintenance… thats all, it is like you have been lied to all your life😉
Argentina's TAM (Tanque Argentino Mediano) belongs also to the Marder family, albeit armed with an L7 105 mm gun.
Not to forget that the CV90 has ADAPTIV ghost armor capabilities as well.
This was published a few hours ago but still couldnt add that Czech republic and Slovakia hos chosen it for purchase? Also, is this really relevant due to the CV90 being a much newer design?
you should rather compare the cv90 to the puma ifv or the lynx ifv
If we're talking Ukraine i'd say the CV90 will probably be pretty effective against trenches since its ammo can explode above said trenches and pepper it with shards.
They are actually designed for and excel in woodland operations and should be used there and not open fields imo.
@@pacta4306 They did pretty well in the open fields of Afghanistan, just because it excels at one thing doesn't mean it's useless in other fields.
@@spejarn Afghanistan is a mountainous country....
@@Hallvard0 Probably was confusing it with some other war riddled country, i knew the northern part was, didn't know the whole country was, but i'll take your word for it, mostly because i don't care anymore.
Marder is a quit old but over time permanent updated System. The Replacemen in German Army will be the new Puma.
Man both of these puppies are amazing, really like that 40mm tho but wish they could combine both into one bad ass beast. 😉
Soundtracks name?
Strangest thing is that the Brits are still trying to get their failure AJAX IFV to work instead of going with the CV90 that British BAE Systems is a co-developer with Swedish Hägglunds.... weird...
I guess some people are getting a good cut of that ajax project money. They probably have no passion for IFVs, but are passionate about the cut. That is usually how you get a fails project, or the project manager is an incompetent narcissist, or both.
Well even with all the upgrades it received the Marder is still 20 years older. There is reason why its going to be phased out, 20mm isn't bad, but you would prefer a higher calibre nowadays.
I quite like the CV90
Marders 20mm has a rof of 1200 rounds. So it's like a 20 mm MG 42 😂.
Why choose? Why not have both but in different roles?
Why do you compare an old Marder and not the new Puma against the CV90? That makes a lot more sense. The Marder is over 50 years old. It makes no difference whether it has been updated.
Marder is older than CV90 obviusly CV90 is better. I repair marder since 2009. Wold be interesting test cv90 in my land.
Both are very competent IFVs. CV90 is the winner.
CV90 is one hell of an IFV.
The Marder is from 1969 and the CV90 is from 1991 so comparing them is like comparing the Mark 3 Tank from WW1 with the Tiger 2 from 1944
Around 5.38, the Marder has better cross country capability? Really?! Germany doesn't have swamps and snow in the same way as northern Sweden...
Norther Sweden got marsh land rather then swamp land.
@@2canines My bad Swenglish.
Cv90 is a complete different World
Ukraine is in this World......and the CV90 burn ...
The CV90 is designed by Hägglunds before the current owners BAE Systems...
Thanks for the info.
Unfair comparison - better compare the CV90 with the Puma ...
Lets just put this out there. The CV90, especially the later models are far more dangerous than the Lynx, Puma, Bradley or K21 fighting vehicles. They are more modern, the cannon is much larger (40mm) the types of ammunition 3p programmable ammunition is deadly as hell. It can air-burst at set ranges, it would annihilate every single Russian in ANY trench with ease from kilometers away. The weight of this IFV is almost as much as the Russian MBT (main battle tanks). Close to 40 Ton. The CV9040 is a highly aggressive vehicle, designed to control the initiative by staying mobile instead of slowing things down to a walk. Aggressive maneuvering is what the CV9040 is designed to do, outmaneuving vehicles and killing them in the flank and charging enemy positions to drop off soldiers right ontop of the enemy. These tactics have been part of the Swedish doctrine since the late fifties as seen in vehicles like the PBV301 and PBV302. And it was directly copied from the German playbook of WW2, where the German panzergrenadiers/dismounts fought more often than not from their halftracks, allowing them to keep pace with the tanks and also maintain initiative through aggressive maneuvering. A Bradley, Puma, K21 and so on is not designed for that type of combat. It's essentially an APC that drops off troops 100m from the fight. The CV9040 drops off troops within 0-50m from the enemy position, or simply drives up to it and let's the troops fight mounted. In Afghanistan it was apparently tremendously deadly. The Danish or Norwegians were caught in some kind of fight/ambush and they annihilated the enemy. P.S 1073 BHP in the high end version that is amphibic and extremely mobile in mudd and snow. D.S
all depends on the weapon's package...
Koľko by za to dali v zberných surovinách?
Which CV9040 went?
it is in the garage ! didn't you hear it park there ?
In my opinion as a i-solider, they have the same purpose.
Good Iron!
compare it to the Puma not Marder....
CV90 👍💪
Consdering the Marder is only exported to third world countries. I think that speaks for which of the above is the best.
CV-90 👍👍👍💪💪💪💪
I really hope the 3P ammo was shipped to Ukraine as well..
Ask Ukrainian soldiers. Unlike most experts they use both systems as well as Bradleys in real heavy duty combat.
I really love the CV90. But. If you are comparing in therms of Ukraine, I´m fine. If you want to compare actual european IFVs, why don´t you take Lynx or German Puma. Lynx (K41) is ordered by Hungary.
Important is that both will neutralize Orcs. 🤣🤣😂😂 No chance for the RuZZians.
CV90
Ukraine takes both without batting an eyelid.
The lack of an antitank missile is a handicap for the CV 90. However the CV 90 will be the king of the night.
The latest version of the CV90 got the ATGM AKERON missile 👍
@@dirreeN both AKERON and Spike-LR have been tested on the CV90.
Soldiers in the back can carry Nlaw or Javelin.
@@ugvadugvaw nah ...soldiers in back will carry carl gustav ... :)
I like the CV90 because it looks better and has a bigger gun.
Military equipment acquisition is not about looks, but about effectiveness, logistics and economy of scale.
Just like the swedes. Better looking and with bigger guns.
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NATO NATO numba one! Send em all to Zelensky.
Marder better