Prototyping The Marble Machine Programming Wheel

2023 ж. 7 Қар.
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  • Martin, in trying to find a reason to quit the marble machine, keeps accidentally discovering the perfect solution to his problems.

    @extraintelligence@extraintelligence6 ай бұрын
    • Martin keeps discovering everything taught in mechanical engineering school, the hard way. On the plus side, doing it this way means he'll retain all the lessons. When he's done with this project, he should consider fast-tracking a degree from a technical college.

      @peterjohnson9438@peterjohnson94386 ай бұрын
    • @@peterjohnson9438 Press 'X' to doubt.

      @thomasbecker9676@thomasbecker96766 ай бұрын
    • In a way, this is raw science. He’s discovering fundamental principles through experimentation.

      @quakxy_dukx@quakxy_dukx6 ай бұрын
    • @@peterjohnson9438 I guess the difference will have been between learning and understanding. Having experienced the pain for each and every principle, Martin would have pretty much grokked mechanical engineering by the time he is done.

      @Tsagan@Tsagan6 ай бұрын
    • ​@@Tsaganlearning the 'hard way' usually means you truly understand, vs superficially studying for exams.

      @bubblesculptor@bubblesculptor6 ай бұрын
  • As a musician myself: It's always a bit painful to hear him say the first Marble Machines "failed". They did not. Especially the first one. It did everything it needed to. It played music, it felt authentic because it wasn't perfect. It had a lot of charm, it had a lot of passion and you could feel it. It wasn't perfect by any means and it never had to be. Just one instrument has caught so much attention, so many fans, and to this day, it is one of the most watched and most genuinely liked videos on the internet. Basically the whole internet knows the Marble Machine song. It moved people, made them think, feel. THAT is music. That's what it is all about. Then came MMX, which was started with a vision, and sparked a lot of hope in the fans for more marble machine music. And that hope is still there. In my eyes, the marble machines did not fail at all.

    @Halbostfriese@Halbostfriese6 ай бұрын
    • I have struggled with this too. It may be true to say that neither earlier machine could perform in the way he imagined (consistent, live), and perhaps (?) required a fair bit of post-processing to sound good, but as a viewer it's jarring to hear him criticize the carrot that drew us here in the first place. And frustrating that he’d (a videographer) imply this with blanket criticism instead of showing it. Listening, I feel a bit like I’ve stumbled into a cult where I’m repeatedly told to leave my past behind, haha.

      @twentysEvan@twentysEvan6 ай бұрын
    • Maybe others have this same experience, but I catch myself thinking things like “there’s a better way to tell this story” and then remembering this is largely someone’s real life, without the benefit of a known narrative arc. Despite the present focus and goals Martin forefronts, the real “story” - as it is - is only visible in retrospect.

      @twentysEvan@twentysEvan6 ай бұрын
  • The change from "i believe" to "i verify" is symbolic of martin learning to be a true engineer. Mm3 will be successful

    @cina9218@cina92186 ай бұрын
    • He's nowhere even close to being an engineer. MM3 will most likely *not* be successful, unless the goalposts move to make it so.

      @thomasbecker9676@thomasbecker96766 ай бұрын
    • @@thomasbecker9676 Did you forget to include the motivation behind this assertion or was it deliberately meant to be read as meaningless opinion?

      @notead@notead6 ай бұрын
    • ​@@thomasbecker9676wow you are truely a negative person wtf haha

      @D3nn1s@D3nn1s6 ай бұрын
    • @@Josh_728 Martin isn't going to sleep with you, just because you simp for him.

      @thomasbecker9676@thomasbecker96766 ай бұрын
    • @@notead Please see all of MMX through the eyes of an actual, experienced engineer.

      @thomasbecker9676@thomasbecker96766 ай бұрын
  • At this point, Martin is going to just end up building a clock with some instruments lmao

    @StuffandThings_@StuffandThings_6 ай бұрын
  • I like your idea for the new wheel but I have one suggestion, either use a regular endmill or a slitting saw to cut a small section from the bottom of the circular groove. The ball endmill will have trouble cutting at the bottom of the ball because the radius of the cutter goes to zero with respect to the rotating axis, meaning that point on the ball will essentially drag across the material and cut poorly leaving a bad surface finish.

    @andrewbonde9710@andrewbonde97106 ай бұрын
    • If it's mechanically possible on the CNC, he could maybe also angle the spindle so that it leans away from it's direction of movement. That way the point where the ball would drag would be a bit in front where the material will be removed anyway.

      @Nbec95@Nbec956 ай бұрын
    • Up

      @danieltandello5074@danieltandello50746 ай бұрын
  • I think you're going to find that your timing mechanism will not hold up under load. You really need to make an oscillating escapement to keep tight time or you will always be fighting against the influence of the mechanism drag effecting your timing. If you want your machine to run like a clock you need to make a clock.

    @ThrowingItAway@ThrowingItAway6 ай бұрын
    • excellent point, my metronome I practice with agrees with you.

      @kayakMike1000@kayakMike10005 ай бұрын
  • You will definitely want to test the machining of that long slot it may be a lot more challenging than you think. Chip evacuation will be very important if you intend on using a spherical tip mill. The type of cutter that you showed is not designed to cut plastic at all and will likely clog and break either the cutter or the work piece. The cutter shown is called a rotary bur and is used to contour metal by hand and is notorious for clogging. You would be far better off cutting a groove with a ball nose end mill and then gluing the bar in place. Pressing in a very long and thin metal rod into a long hole will be VERY challenging to get right with a press fit. Most press fits do not go longer than about 10:1 aspect ratio of length to diameter, or you will have problems of bending the "pin" due to every increasing friction of the press fit. Too loose, and it will slide in easy, but you will have to secure it with glue anyway. That would be preferable to the press fit in my book.

    @dexterm2003@dexterm20036 ай бұрын
    • Yeah a slot with a ball mill is a much more feasible idea. Chip clearing will be near impossible unless there is a pre cut slot like when machining a dovetail. The proposed machining steps should also be reversed so there's more room for chip clearing between programming profile slots. Instead of glue, he could clamp the bars down with a bunch of printed straps or saddle clamps.

      @NPerillo@NPerillo6 ай бұрын
    • I suspect that he will need to insert the rod longways and not click it into place, because you will have two plastic pieces playing tug-o-war and if the slot on the wheel "loses" the rod can be pulled out of position. In addition, the slots on the wheel will face degradation over time, due to repeated programming changes, and loose their solid grip on the rod

      @garysmcdermott@garysmcdermott6 ай бұрын
    • ​@@NPerilloI think it's the best way, just cut a grooves to hold the rods in place and secure them with metal straps that go around the wheel

      @ameunier41@ameunier416 ай бұрын
    • The press fit thing felt weird to me, too. Over time, clipping the profile parts in and out is likely to expose an imperfect fitment on at least _one_ of the bars, having the thing pop out when trying to remove one of the profiles. I want to see the design work, but I'm not sure about a press fit.

      @WafflesASAP@WafflesASAP6 ай бұрын
  • Keep in mind at 8:46 that the cutter moves along the axis of the cnc but the cutter itself will be rotating and cutting on one edge, causing force to be put in the direction of your rotation axis. Something that will help with that is always starting the cut from the same side. This way the rotation axis isn't pushed one direction during a cut and the other direction on the back cut. If there is an offset due to the cutting edge it will be the same for all slots this way.

    @RandomGgames@RandomGgames6 ай бұрын
    • I'm hoping he goes with aluminum for the cylinder... much easier to cut and would limit axial loading.

      @MacroAggressor@MacroAggressor6 ай бұрын
    • @@MacroAggressor Yeah and depending on how it's secured there could be a large amount of deflection and chattering. Hopefully he does lots of test cuts first.

      @ryanp6267@ryanp62676 ай бұрын
  • MARTIN, don't forget, that varying marble troughput trough instruments will put varying load on marble lifting mechanism, which will deviate marble machine speed since you will be inputing constant force via huygen drive. Less marble troughput, smaller load on the machine, machine speeds up. Loads of marbles to lift, heavy load on the machine, machine slows down

    @rudejehlici5425@rudejehlici54256 ай бұрын
    • That's what I'm thinking ever since Martin told the first time he discovered the huygen drive. The drive inputs mostly a constant force and the speed results from the force balance. However, the governor adds a bit of a speed regulation since its breaking force is quadratic proportional to the speed. But I don't think it can keep up with such dynamic loads and precision Martin asks for!

      @PermireFabrica@PermireFabrica6 ай бұрын
    • He can always just use another power source for the marbles. Or not at all. Just have enough of them and let gravity do all the work.

      @MisterHieronymus@MisterHieronymus6 ай бұрын
    • Honestly there was an electric motor on the mmx, personally I'd do away with all that complexity and just brute force it with a motor and gearbox, no need for a dangerous flywheel, governor etc and it'll be laser accurate because geared down enough they'll be more torque than you'd ever need

      @RobFarley74@RobFarley746 ай бұрын
    • @@RobFarley74It’s simply a “dumb design requirement” for this thing to be mechanically/human powered, instead of using a motor.

      @br52685@br526856 ай бұрын
    • To solve that is to mangage a gear ratio

      @kontrolledkhaos4853@kontrolledkhaos48536 ай бұрын
  • The design of every piece of this has been stunning, and seeing it assembled is probably going to be one of the most wonderful things I witness.

    @Rocky-917@Rocky-9176 ай бұрын
    • You need to get out more.

      @thomasbecker9676@thomasbecker96766 ай бұрын
    • We all know that this will most likely never be assembled and fully functioning. 😅 But at least the content is entertaining.

      @MCasterAnd@MCasterAnd6 ай бұрын
    • @@thomasbecker9676says the person who’s whole idea is to write negative comments under every wintergatan upload lmao

      @MikeKrasnenkov@MikeKrasnenkov6 ай бұрын
    • Yeah, I thought that about the last one.

      @eddievanbasten1751@eddievanbasten17516 ай бұрын
    • @@MikeKrasnenkov Simp for Martin all you want, he's not going to sleep with you, and MM3 isn't going to meet his current expectations and promises.

      @thomasbecker9676@thomasbecker96766 ай бұрын
  • The amount of force needed to push the rods in seems like the hardest (ha) part of this new design.

    @GeraldLeenerts@GeraldLeenerts6 ай бұрын
    • yeah, I have concerns with how much force that is going to take, that's gonna add up to be a lot of friction

      @twardnw@twardnw6 ай бұрын
    • Why not slot them in from the side?

      @FloLedermann@FloLedermann6 ай бұрын
    • ​@@FloLedermann the further it's pushed in, the more resistance there will be. And in order to keep the position accurate (and thus tight timing), it will need a fairly tight fit. We'll see what he comes up with :) Hopefully does a test-run of a slice of the programming wheel before committing to whole thing

      @twardnw@twardnw6 ай бұрын
    • @@twardnw if they’re hard to push in sideways, he can break the rods and do it in pieces. The accuracy should still be there since that’s driven by the holes’ accuracies

      @insertnamehere1044@insertnamehere10446 ай бұрын
    • Could he not use many smaller rods instead of one long rod across the whole length of the wheel? Each small rod could have a tight fit without having to apply a colossal force. Might take a while to assemble

      @MysticalSkyMonkey@MysticalSkyMonkey6 ай бұрын
  • Every time I started to worry he was returning to his old mistakes, he throws in a "but this would be a bad idea for of exactly what you were thinking"

    @shadowscribe@shadowscribe6 ай бұрын
  • Take a drink every time Martin says "tight".

    @rays7805@rays78056 ай бұрын
    • Careful! That's how you get alcohol poisoning! lol

      @ryano.5149@ryano.51496 ай бұрын
  • CRAZY IDEA: What if instead of having a programing wheel that activates the gates mechanically, with the pins or prophiles, you had one that activated them electrically? One option is that you could print a board with electrodes and a small battery on the wheel, that would make contact with a loose wire instead of a lever. Another option is to use optical sensors with infrared LEDs in the place of the lever, lke those robots that follow a black line on the floor, having the wheel be printed with the notes Both things would be incredibly precise, but maybe the machine would lose part of it's magic, since the mechanical activation is so pleasing to see

    @carlosroura7581@carlosroura75816 ай бұрын
  • I like this idea! Using a single, known-consistent metal bar for your precision is clever. As long as you can get the rotary CNC to cut channels which are precise distances from one another, sounds awesome. My only hesitancy would be destroying a large/expensive wheel if you get your machining operation wrong, but small scale tests can hopefully help avoid that. :)

    @DylanClarkSallee@DylanClarkSallee6 ай бұрын
    • Unfortunately a long bar like that is far from consistent and will be nearly impossible to fit along the whole length.

      @Finnspin_unicycles@Finnspin_unicycles6 ай бұрын
  • There is something special about watching someone learn true design engineering and implement it. These videos also demonstrate design thinking very well and is a great tool to show the difference between an idea and a design.

    @denysvisser@denysvisser6 ай бұрын
  • 4 years from now. "Prototyping The Marble Machine Programming Wheel"

    @transcendtient@transcendtient6 ай бұрын
  • Just a technical comment here. You talked about the cutting forces only being in the "rigid direction" on the programming wheel for version 3. There is actually also a force in the "not rigid" direction. As a plunging cutting tool engaged with material on 3 sides. On 2 of the sides the forces cancel out, but the last side creates a sideways force that actually tries to "turn" the programming wheel. Just something to keep in mind, not critical :)

    @Karlemilstorm@Karlemilstorm6 ай бұрын
  • As my previous worries weren't dissolved, I'll just re-post the comment I wrote in a previous video. The programming wheel don't seems rigid enough to avoid deformation between both ends, the lack of diagonals or structural parts may cause a problem, moreover the driving force is applied to one end and there is resistance all the way whit the gates. One other overlooked requirement is the need to play notes in fast succession, cause you can place a pin every 2 holes at minimum, holes that are worth 1 quarter note each in your design. Some will say that the profile could have multiple edges to play multiple notes but you'd have to redesign the gate, as it is right now, it's way to flat and will be sitting on top of the multiple edges, thus merging everything into a single long note.

    @duck_supremacist@duck_supremacist6 ай бұрын
  • I mean, I miss the music, but EVERY engineering student should be following this. Just fantastic information, walking through the problems and the process to address them, etc.

    @FunkThompson@FunkThompson6 ай бұрын
    • Negative examples are important, yes.

      @kotovnikthegreat@kotovnikthegreat6 ай бұрын
    • I am an engineer and MM3 will fail as well. Martin keeps increasing his requirements every episode. He did it in the past and he still keeps doing so. He eventually will find a way not to go on tour. MMX failed because he kept putting esthetics before function and now it's about tight music in every second sentence. So far I never heard any difference between tight and not tight music.

      @RubyRhod@RubyRhod6 ай бұрын
    • @@RubyRhod Seems overly pessimistic, and a tad bit elitist. I haven't seen much feature creep of particular note. As far as I can tell he seems to be approaching this from a methodical and sane perspective, and is making steady progress toward a solid design. He certainly isn't an engineer, but he's coming at this with an engineering mindset.

      @MacroAggressor@MacroAggressor6 ай бұрын
    • @@RubyRhodShitting all over other peoples project, and nay-saying those with kind words is not "constructive criticism" no matter how much you tell yourself it is.

      @FunkThompson@FunkThompson6 ай бұрын
    • ​@@RubyRhod I think we need to keep in mind that he edits the audio quite heavily for a lot of the actual music he posts From the way he describes his experiences with the other machines, he had to actively fight them to get any semblance of tempo out of them. As a musician, you NEVER want to be fighting your instrument. Especially if it is primarily a rhythm instrument. His definition of tight appears to me to be under 1ms standard deviation. Of course he's not factoring in how that'll scale up from prototype to full design, but it's still a pretty solid goal. You'll notice he has accepted every design he's created up to this point as being good enough.

      @innertuber4049@innertuber40496 ай бұрын
  • imagine martin demanding this kind of precision from his human band-mates.

    @Pikero24@Pikero246 ай бұрын
    • @@WartornNOROr because they no longer exist?

      @br52685@br526856 ай бұрын
    • Oh boy, not again! This has nothing to do whatsoever with removing the human imperfection characteristic from music. I find it amazing how this fucking community can't understand this.

      @justinnaramor6050@justinnaramor60504 ай бұрын
  • Now this is promising! I hope the tests with the prototypes are successful and you learn a lot from them!

    @TrentonBlessWrestlemania489@TrentonBlessWrestlemania4896 ай бұрын
  • I think an important idea to ponder is why a programming wheel. If you want to design form from function maybe consider a different approach than just assuming the programming wheel is the way to go.

    @LordoftheNightWolves@LordoftheNightWolves6 ай бұрын
    • My thoughts exactly as soon as I saw the double gear again.

      @fifty-plus@fifty-plus6 ай бұрын
  • This programming wheel is brilliant. At last, it seems, a wheel that is machineable and foolproof!

    @Julia_and_the_City@Julia_and_the_City6 ай бұрын
    • Famous last words

      @Abra089@Abra0896 ай бұрын
  • I really hope the marble machine still has some hand crank/foot crank for you to choose the speed. I know its less precise but the appeal of the marble machine for me has always been that it felt like an instrument not an automaton

    @CalpolMeister@CalpolMeister6 ай бұрын
    • Hoping the final machine has both, so he can play with manual (imperfect) timing for a few songs but not have to stomp a lever for an hour concert

      @methodermis@methodermis6 ай бұрын
    • That's interesting. I'm a bit different. I definitely want it to be manually powered (not electric), but watching someone rotate a crank is boring. What's interesting to me is watching him flip levers and play the manual part of the instruments. I want to see his arms (and maybe feet) control different aspects of the music like some crazy conductor / one man band. That gives more opportunity for improvisation as well. If we get more beautiful chaos from that at the expense of not watching him do something anyone in the world can do I'm on board 100%

      @Izrun@Izrun6 ай бұрын
    • @@Izrun Literally every single person in this fucking community needs to understand this. Guys, stop overglorifying the hand crank, it's fucking stupid actually. There are other aspects of the music that all of the marble machines have had the ability to control manually, that are far more important than "change tempo by cranking faster".

      @justinnaramor6050@justinnaramor60504 ай бұрын
  • You've been doing a great job, love how much the marble machine has been improving over the years

    @zexa252@zexa2526 ай бұрын
  • Your videos make me so happy. It is going to be bitter sweet once you nail this design. I have LOVED watching this evolve from the first machine. It has been a pleasure to learn with you, you are a wonderful educator, and an equally wonderful person.

    @Vastafari34@Vastafari346 ай бұрын
  • Martin, you can change bpm on the go precisely by adding a attack angle rod to the governor. With this rod, you can manipulate drag coefficient of the governor propeller like in helicopters thus changing the rpm that the flywheel rotates at. This method does not effect precision of the system and might be a good addition possibly. With this flexibility on the BPM, you can use the programming wheel much more efficient for varying tempo of different music tracks.

    @merterenkarabulut7569@merterenkarabulut75696 ай бұрын
  • Martin, can I challenge your assumption that the programming wheel needs to be a wheel? What if it was a chain drive? You could make your music loop of arbitrary length by using larger chains (and adjusting your idler gears).

    @williedavis9465@williedavis94656 ай бұрын
  • I really like how you're not just using 3D printing to create parts for the machine but also tools to improve the creation process itself, that's really cool!

    @Fircasice@Fircasice6 ай бұрын
  • Have taken account of thermal expansion of the different materials, brass bar and 3d printed plastic under the lights on stage I would guess it will be warmer than your workshop

    @seanfuller2152@seanfuller21526 ай бұрын
  • I do not know why, but your videos seem to be so cozy and atmospheric. Keep it up, Martin!

    @KinderAndry@KinderAndry6 ай бұрын
  • Chasing "tight" specs is nice and all, but remember that the original captured hearts and was barely holding together. If it's not perfect, that doesn't mean it's not perfect. The *goal* here is to make music, to spread joy, to create wonder. You don't always need millisecond accuracy to do that.

    @talldarkmystere@talldarkmystere6 ай бұрын
  • What a cliffhanger!

    @Sanik1337@Sanik13376 ай бұрын
  • 9:28 Wait, that seems like a lot of metal-to-metal surface area that needs to slide across each other while being tight enough to "press-fit". After you get a few centimeters in, are you going to attempt hammering at the end of a meter-long, thin rod? I highly recommend prototyping this before you construct a whole wheel with it. Maybe consider making the rods thinner, and adding rings on both sides to hold them in?

    @lucasbeeres@lucasbeeres6 ай бұрын
  • Dang in at only 347 views! I think this is the earliest I've ever noticed a Wintergatan video! Hyped for the programming wheel and hyped for the world tour!

    @Blayzeing@Blayzeing6 ай бұрын
  • Please note that a full plastic wheel will be prone to a lot of thermal expansion on the world tour. This could result in centimeters of variation in programming wheel diameter. Also, plastic is prone to creeping over time. I would recommend a steel basis for the wheel with small, replaceable, plastic parts.

    @DennisBouw@DennisBouw6 ай бұрын
  • The dedication of this guy, it's rare to find professional engineers as thorough!

    @AshleyMillsTube@AshleyMillsTube5 ай бұрын
  • Design number two makes me think that you could look to bike wheel parts and wheel building techniques to save design effort.

    @bkuker@bkuker6 ай бұрын
    • just use bike rims , head back yo your bike place

      @jasonbenoit2277@jasonbenoit22776 ай бұрын
  • "Will this new wheel be hard to manufacture?" "It will be easy, barely an inconvenience and it will play very tight." "Ohh tight marble music is TIGHT."

    @danser_theplayer01@danser_theplayer016 ай бұрын
  • Love it! That is such a nice and forgiving design. It WILL play tight music, for sure.

    @TheCebulon@TheCebulon6 ай бұрын
  • THIS HAS TO PLAY TIGHT MUSIC. YOU CAN NOT GIVE UP ON THE MARBLE MACHINE. You've come so far.

    @windows7RULES@windows7RULES6 ай бұрын
  • Building that printed wheel from segments looks like torture.

    @aviphysics@aviphysics6 ай бұрын
  • I liked the loose music. It made it more human than industrial.

    @hanfo420@hanfo4206 ай бұрын
  • Trying to stay with Martin is like a roller coaster ride. Computer technology achieves most all off the requirmenrs except on stage presence of an instrument. The truly retro nature is "pain and pleasure. So is the design journey from performance artist to mechanical engineer. I rate Ivan Miranda cause of his very strong mech engineer skills.

    @gccchc2449@gccchc24496 ай бұрын
  • Man this is one of the greatest youtube cliffhanger ever, will Martin end up continuing marble machine 3 or will he drop the project? can't wait for the next video

    @piecaruso97@piecaruso976 ай бұрын
  • You could easily get *TIGHT MUSIC* from imprecise _slow moving_ programming wheel, if the programming wheel only register *WHICH* note should be played next, but actual actuation force comes from _fast moving_ flywheel telling *WHEN* the note shall be played.

    @woowooNeedsFaith@woowooNeedsFaith6 ай бұрын
  • Awesome video, once again. When this is all over it would be fun to have a video of everything you've done so far. Like a timelapse or something. Or maybe just a 40 hour video consisting of all your Marblemachine video's back to back. I often just have you talking about your machine in the background while i'm working on my on shenanigans

    @dorky5256@dorky52566 ай бұрын
  • Look into compressionless brake housing for transferring the movement at the programming wheel to the marble gate. Bikes with mechanical brake systems use brake housing to route the movement of the brake lever to the brake calipers. Compressionless housing is specifically made to be stiffer and less squishy, possibly letting it play tighter.

    @evanramee796@evanramee7966 ай бұрын
  • I love this channel. I've learned so much about engineering, prototyping, materials, etc., all while being entertained. Thank you!

    @KermodeBear@KermodeBear6 ай бұрын
  • Finding all these solutions while trying to quit is hillarious, when we're on our lowest the mind becomes free of its shackles after all. I'm happy you are getting better and better at the marble machine, no matter the outcome I'm just glad i get to experience this journey in real time. Best of luck!

    @egeoeris@egeoeris6 ай бұрын
  • Martin is literally reinventing the wheel!

    @Svelix@Svelix6 ай бұрын
  • I feel like you are living a programmers dream. Every project I work on is basically MMX but the difference is once we get to the point where early design errors become apparent, we have already overshot the budget and all we can do is to patch it up as best as we can and ship it.

    @phonkey@phonkey6 ай бұрын
  • The evolution of this machine has been mind boggling.

    @nv1493@nv14936 ай бұрын
  • Have you considered the tried and true method of programming mechanical instruments... the paper piano roll? I think you're underestimating how much having to manually reprogram in each song is going to affect things - not just for concerts, but while you're developing the machine and practicing, the ability to swap out songs quickly could be night and day.

    @ep57088@ep570886 ай бұрын
  • I hope it plays the right music because we all need to get the marble machine on stage with you guys when you go on your. Plus I imagine it opens up what music you can make by having the marble machine be a multi instrument leaving band meme era to play other instruments for the songs that otherwise wouldn’t be possible with the number of people on stage.

    @joonboi84@joonboi846 ай бұрын
    • Is there even a band anymore?

      @thomasbecker9676@thomasbecker96766 ай бұрын
  • If you replace the programming wheel with an electronic controller and replace the marbles with speakers, the whole system would be simplified and the timing/sound would be near perfect.

    @jonathonfrederick2062@jonathonfrederick20626 ай бұрын
  • I am so proud of your new approach and the storytelling is amazing!

    @UnPureMaddness@UnPureMaddness6 ай бұрын
  • Your obsession with tight music will be your demise because it will never be tight enough for you

    @torou8119@torou81196 ай бұрын
  • You might want to consider adding a thin “backstop” in the programming wheel for when you’re inserting the rods. You could either stop the circular bit just before exiting the far side, or just attach a ring of sheet metal to the outside. It’d at least help with assembly, but if you did it on both sides it could also help with preventing the rods from drifting out over time. Potentially not a problem, but it should be an easy enough fix that it might be worth doing preventatively.

    @dpear3@dpear36 ай бұрын
    • I think it's gonna be the inverse, if the slut is somewhat tight, he will never be able to drive 3ft rod in there.

      @ameunier41@ameunier416 ай бұрын
  • So intense! Can't wait for the next video! It almost feel like watching a series and being at the end of a season, waiting for the conclusion to know if there will be a season 3 or not

    @cover7195@cover71956 ай бұрын
  • For the record, I would go to a world tour even without tight music.

    @osculant@osculant6 ай бұрын
  • I could’ve designed and built ten marble machines by the time Martin builds one, he’s just doing this for the clicks and the likes.

    @eddievanbasten1751@eddievanbasten17516 ай бұрын
  • Martin, You will quit this new marble machine over my dead body!! Don’t you dare stop!! the entire world needs this!

    @nathaliea_girl4616@nathaliea_girl46166 ай бұрын
  • Fantastic video and I love how we are seeing the evolution of the designs. Those programming wheels will not be easy to move around but I guess that goes for the whole machine too.

    @iamgrays@iamgrays6 ай бұрын
  • Always incredible to watch your videos, Martin! Much love! Stay awesome!

    @levilukeskytrekker@levilukeskytrekker6 ай бұрын
  • Consider creating a system that allows you to guide your profiles onto the rods, so that if you don't put them precisely where you need to, they "fall" into place. This is a nice-to-have, sure, but this will make programming the machine so much more comfortable for you in the long run. I can already foresee this being a big quality of life improvement.

    @MobButcher@MobButcher6 ай бұрын
  • I really love how 3d printing has allowed the creative process to flourish! Keep up the great work! I'm excited for what the future holds, and am enjoying seeing the progress being made.

    @raigntk3294@raigntk32946 ай бұрын
  • I do like the metal bar idea

    @pacifico4999@pacifico49996 ай бұрын
  • Wow, what a great project! I can't wait to see it finished. My sincere compliments.😃

    @SiboBushings@SiboBushings6 ай бұрын
  • I so love how this project is turning out! From "I believe" to "I verify" - wonderful!

    @simonpettersson7243@simonpettersson72436 ай бұрын
  • It's groundhog day.

    @CristianKirk@CristianKirk6 ай бұрын
    • 🤣 almost, never prototyped the Wheel before just went straight to building the final versions so its not exactly the same (i Hope 🙈)

      @Wintergatan@Wintergatan6 ай бұрын
    • @@WintergatanJust keep doing what gives you joy :)

      @CristianKirk@CristianKirk6 ай бұрын
  • This whole astounding ride from 1 to 3 continues to amaze me!!!

    @fastjazz@fastjazz6 ай бұрын
  • Fiiine! Your perseverance, passion, and love for efficiency made me resubscribe.

    @EddieAdolf@EddieAdolf6 ай бұрын
  • Martin. You have brought me back. I'm so happy watching this video.

    @TheDrocadile@TheDrocadile6 ай бұрын
  • I like that last design in principle, but the way you are proposing to machine and assemble it is a manufacturing nightmare. I'd propose cutting an open slot (with a ball end if you want it to be round, but square would probably be just fine), laying the bar in and fixating it with additional bolted on pieces from the top.

    @Finnspin_unicycles@Finnspin_unicycles6 ай бұрын
  • I want to point out that you don't really even need a circular shape to slot the metal bar into, and a v-shaped groove will work just as well with room for an adhesive based solution for mounting the bar, making the wheels even easier to machine and repair. in addition, this would put less lateral stress on the machining bit.

    @Attemptedburger@Attemptedburger6 ай бұрын
  • Im no engenier, but im a mechanic and i can tell you, depending on the material you use, V3 will be a pain in the ass. 1) the entire ball part of the mill bit is in use. That will most likely mess up the bit pretty fast and you will burn throu them like cracy. You have to use a pretty soft material for the wheel or take it incredebly slow, orherwise the wobble you create by full contact milling will mess up your meassurments. 2) you have a lot of different cuts. If you use a soft material like PE, as soon as your milling bits gets dull your edges start to look like chewed. Its doable, no doubt but if you do, do yourself a favor and outsorce it to a professional. You get your money double back in safed lifetime.

    @Pasci234@Pasci2346 ай бұрын
  • What I got out of this video is how to 3d print a very cool wheel. Got some GREAT ideas from your version 2 wheel. Love your videos!

    @OZtwo@OZtwo6 ай бұрын
  • 8:48 it WILL add pressure in the rotary direction since the tool is rotating it pushes to the side when doing a slot cut

    @Woreec@Woreec6 ай бұрын
  • I wonder if milling the lines from the programming wheel from the inside diameter would solve some challenges ahead of the construction. 1. It would provide bending points for the curve in conjunction with the channel for the metal rods. 2. It would be held in place by the structure of the wheel frame (force opposing insertion of programming pins) 3. The material of the wheel would hold the rods in (opposing the force of removing the programming pins.)

    @JobiWanification@JobiWanification6 ай бұрын
  • I always love seeing you problem solve and innovate.

    @Silverbullet844@Silverbullet8446 ай бұрын
  • I love the storytelling and video editing in this episode ❤

    @charinD200@charinD2006 ай бұрын
  • I love the "Previously on, Wintergatan" introduction that starts off every video. Gives off TV show vibes.

    @defrance2728@defrance27286 ай бұрын
  • Buckling up! This will be awesome!

    @torbjornahman@torbjornahman6 ай бұрын
  • i get so happy when i see an upload from you Martin! I hope it all works so we can finally see your vision come to life! :D

    @toamastar@toamastar6 ай бұрын
  • Awesome to see new ideas. I still listen to the songs

    @PropheticEnvy@PropheticEnvy6 ай бұрын
  • Martin, I'm so happy that you seem to be making fewer crazy decisions every video and slowly becoming the engineer that I know you can be deep down!

    @AdrianTechWizard@AdrianTechWizard6 ай бұрын
  • I know you keep putting down marble machine 1 and 2. Yet both are works of genius, and have lead you to Marble Machine 3. I think I speak for everyone, we are sitting on pins and needles waiting to hear it working.

    @TheParkAttendant@TheParkAttendant6 ай бұрын
  • I imagine that press fitting those LONG metal bars into LONG slots will be quite difficult. I think the amount of friction building up will quickly overcome your ability to push them into the slots. You might consider splitting the programming wheel into several narrower drums with shorter slots for ease of assembly. You could even align the narrow drums using the metal bars provided you leave some overlap.

    @Scou73r@Scou73r6 ай бұрын
  • great video! what a journey. I have absolutely no engineering background, but i'm still here since Day1. Having some cliffhanger vibes rn. martin is not only getting better at designing this monstrousity, even his storytelling skills are blooming! fingers crossed ❤🎉❤

    @fabjulez@fabjulez6 ай бұрын
  • I have to admit, the bearing housing fiasco a few months ago had me convinced that the MM3 would never see the light of day. I'm a bit more optimistic now, but the reluctance to properly define the fundamental requirement of "must play tight music" is still very concerning. Without a clearly defined requirement, there's no way to know when the requirement has been met and Martin's tendency to pursue unnecessary perfection will doom the project once again.

    @robillardjosh@robillardjosh6 ай бұрын
  • I can't comprehend the level of genius behind designing these music machines.

    @markbrown2296@markbrown22966 ай бұрын
    • That's because there is none.

      @thomasbecker9676@thomasbecker96766 ай бұрын
  • As soon as I saw design requirements, you got my full attention ❤

    @TotalControl92@TotalControl926 ай бұрын
  • Martin, I have been watching since the beginning of the MMX and love everything you have done on this channel. You've made amazing progress as an engineer and filmmaker. I admire the finality of your closing statement, but I would suggest that your standards for success of this prototype are dependent on the known cumulative error plus a (tiny) splash of benefit of the doubt. By taking the cumulative err into account the success of the project depends on the musical tightness of the cables and drive system, rather than the flaws you already know about and know how to fix.

    @MrShayne5555@MrShayne55556 ай бұрын
  • I'm here for that good designing and crafting, absolutely lovely! XD

    @l0g1cb0mb@l0g1cb0mb6 ай бұрын
  • I want to see a new T-shirt design with a prototype drawing of the programming wheel and the words "This is tight music"

    @gmiller125@gmiller1256 ай бұрын
  • The MMX was/is really beautiful

    @Gregzenegair@Gregzenegair6 ай бұрын
  • Consider low high temperature cycling. The plastic may shrink and deform then when hot the pin may get loose.

    @86Ivar@86Ivar6 ай бұрын
  • So far, the project is looking really promising!

    @MasterOvGreyFire@MasterOvGreyFire6 ай бұрын
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