Yuval Noah Harari & Steven Pinker in conversation
2019 ж. 6 Қаз.
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Yuval Noah Harari and Steven Pinker in conversation, moderated by Dr. Maksym Yakovlyev in September 2019.
Yuval Noah Harari and Steven Pinker in conversation, moderated by Dr. Maksym Yakovlyev in September 2019.
I can hardly believe I just watched this for free at my own house. What a priviledge! Thank you
You paid. The currency is privacy. And attention. Same as the rest of us.
Exactly! You are right. This, for free, would be unheard of off the academic realms.
Koto Mak well this boomer likes privacy and I ain’t dead yet
@@nb321cmrc brb paying my school loans with "attention". It's free. Man some people just want to find any way to be an oppressed victim
@@ausroy087 Well, it's free in financial sense and not free in privacy sense. It's both.
I, for one, would like to thank our KZhead algorithm overlords for putting this on our feeds.
David Sobell strongly agree.
Irony in real life.
I am surely grateful...
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Best comment ever! xD
Can we take a moment to appreciate the moderator? He kept quiet until they were done exchanging ideas. This is rare nowadays. I was so happy to see that
Yes, definitely. I’ve watched so many highly intelligent speakers being constantly interrupted by off point questions from moderators trying to shoehorn themselves into the conversations. It’s always so maddening. You are correct- this moderator was great.
The moderator and Harari and Pinker were all respectful of what the other had to say. And they actually listen. Maybe that’s a contributing factor of how they became so knowledgeable.
To have Yuval and Pinker in a conversation is to have two of the most profound thinkers of this century. Great discourse. Worth every attention.
I wouldn't put Steven Pinker in the same category tbh
@@theAraAra Agree 💯
@@theAraAra pray why? Do you think Pinker is less of an intellectual or more?
Pinker has been a very important thinker for three decades. Harari is a very good populariser
@pitu toup Pinker is a psychologist. His real contribution lies in that area. Specially in some of the discussions on the nature of the mind. Economics is not his field at all. Any ideas is just a popularisation of other people's ideas. And libertarian economics was up and running long before he was even born.
How nice. Two people, sitting down with each other, giving and taking, agreeing and disagreeing, and having a rational conversation. Why am I commenting on something that should be so, well, ordinary?
Its ordinary because these are mostly authorized opinions.
Steven pinker looks like if Joker never went insane
/r/RareInsults ?
He does!
Joker after college
The moderator looks like if Superman lost his powers and became a professor.
At last I see Yuval speaking with somebody of the same level
@Danny Dreadnought Aw man, thank you for reminding me about that conversation, can't believe I forgot, I need to do some housekeeping on my memory
Steven Pinker needs to inform himself. he sucks , the self -driving car exemple is a shame.
Gabriel Gindea Well said bro, well said 👍
Sam Harris is a bigot.
No one is on Yuval's level. And Pinker seems to want to be a fancy pants and contradict notions that are plain as day real and affecting our lives. To think the last election wasn't affected by the MASSIVE AMOUNT OF INTERNET PROPAGANDA is absurd. I mean just look at Facebook for 5 minutes for corroboration lol. Or Fox News. That's a BIG one. Just plain as day out there affecting the group think hive mind. I swear the level of racism and 'us vs them' mentalities shocked me for a while there. IT GOT BAD QUICK. Then i learned about the Cambridge Analytica scandal. Sorry but Pinker needs to open his eyes and stop letting his ego do his thinking. He REALLY disappointed me in this. Telling people the threat of disruptive technologies isn't real or a big deal. Who does this guy think he is and what world is he living in
I am so thrilled to be watching this! Two of my favorite authors, great minds, I truly enjoyed their books.
If you're gonna bring these intellectual giants together, please let them talk for at least 8 hours. This conversation seemed like a trailer.
yuvel a giant !??! Good one 😭
@@yousef7787 well he is. By any standard really..
@@Nom1fan read more and by time you will now how ridiculous of statment that is
@@yousef7787 sure dude, whatever you say
I'd like to see another back and forth with these two.
Great moderator! Smart enough not to interrupt the ideas tossing that took place between the professors.
Excellent point!
why is he taking notes???
Stefania Alexandra Exactly my point. He intended to say something but kept quiet
@@stefaniaalexandra9878 to follow the discussion and see if other questions might be appropriate
@@yoavgoldenberg2928 yes :)
When two such great minds find it difficult to agree. It just shows how complicated a problem it is to predict human behavior and technological development. But it's very important to have keep having these conversations
Thought there was more agreement overall, than not. However, democracy does not truly exist in the UK, if it did, via PR, there would now be a hung parliament, instead of close to a dictatorship, albeit with some restrictions on its use of power?
Yes it is, the conversation was indeed intresting but take a look to this and have a different opinion maybe kzhead.info/sun/qdqGqNaFbYV-gWg/bejne.html
A joy to listen to and when I asked myself why I enjoyed it so much, I realised that it was because it was such a civilized conversation. Here are two important thinkers discussing the differences in their assessment of our predicament. They each have reputations to maintain and books to sell, but their motivation clearly goes beyond that. We desperately need more conversations of this calibre. Thank you both for setting such a good example and thank you to Dr. Maksym Yakovlyev for hosting it.
Resonated with Yuval with his concerns. Perfect explanation!
I consider both Steven Pinker and Yuval Harari two of the most wise and intelligent beings around that have massively influenced my thinking in recent years.
@@things_leftunsaid Agreed. Not heard of Daniel Dennnett though - will check him out.
To the Moderator - Maksym, thank you! Thank you! Thank you, and well done for your polite, reserved silence. The temptation to join in must have been HUGE!
"AI won't replace human decision making any time soon" says Pinker to an audience who was recommended this content by AI.
A friend (you know, one of those human machines) recommended it to me. Besides, thus far, AI impels, but does not compel.
Well, AI isn't one thing, an Algorithm is used to help human decision making, not to replace it
It's not just AI, alternative voices are silenced. IQ is dropping in the west, these people who claim to see the world clearly won't even mention it.
@@kashatnick Do you have a source for that?
@@MovieRiotHD google flynn effect reverse. I'd post but I don't feel like being spam filtered. Edward Dutton on here tends to cover such topics.
8:30 "Let us now change the topic to the intellectual climate of the west..." 37:18 "If we could now shift the topic to the intellectual climate of the west..." Award for most patient moderator goes to...
Lol good point
😂😂😂😂😂
I tried to do my best - thank you :)
@@MaksymYakovlyev I might have tried to be more assertive but it's difficult having large egos in the room. I think these guys have certain ideas they're determined to push in every discussion. Jordan Peterson always bothered me that way, too. Anyway, thank YOU. I got a lot out of the interview.
I was SO happy with this moderator. Sometimes just keeping quiet and listening is the best thing to do
Always a mind blowing pleasure to listen to Yuval Noah Harari.
Yes it is
You must be a masochist
Sometimes during this talk and other talks one can realy notice that Yuval has been brought up in Israel. Time and again he emphasizes what governments and multinationals are capable of doing and that we must certainly never underestimate that. And the fact that one really needs to stay focused. An attitude that he probably got when you grew up in a country that is at the top of the list in the field of surveillance technology and their open air test station, the occupied territories.
Great point. On the other hand Pinker is from much less oppressive Canada. This is probably one of the reasons why Pinker seems to be much more optimistic about the future and not as afraid of potential risks.
@M A can i ask you for something?
It ia an honor for me to watch the conversation of 2 great thinkers of our age. They are genius thank you for KZhead and Yuval Noah Harari and Steven pinker
Oh wow 😮 Two of my favorites and most admired personalities. Sir I learned a lot from you.
My hairy and hairless favorite thinkers.
☻👍
kzhead.info/sun/qdqGqNaFbYV-gWg/bejne.html Though I like harari
This was a good one. Side note: The moderator had a pretty awesome bow tie...
not a side note, sir. One FACT!
I don't want to hate on him, because he did a good job, but novelty bow ties will never be good.
This was a really enjoyable conversation to listen to. I’ve been a big fan of Pinker for a long time, and of Harai more recently. It’s so nice to see someone such as Harai who can engage Pinker in a deep, thoughtful discussion.
I love the back and forward between these two. Harari being the pessimist and Pinker countering with why any specific thing probably isn't as bad as the former claims or portrays. I really liked the discussion/conversation.
Vengo a agradecer este increíble diálogo y su traducción al español.
Both personalities are well known in their respective realms in particular and to the world in general. But something that fascinated me was their humility and attentiveness to each other. Nowhere they even attempted to surpass each other. Pinker despite being a person of more experience, exposure and deep understanding of cognitive psychology, did not interrupt or underrate Harari's comments regarding the impact of AI on psychology and how could the former besiege the latter in future. Discord was so mild and pleasant that one does not even notice it. Huge respect for both Intellectuals.
Summary to all creators: "Think about what your invention will be in the hand of the politician you most fear, and then think about what you're inventing and creating. The general tendency of engineers and entrepreneurs is to think about the best-case scenarios. " Be more careful, as You are deciding what we as human species will have for future.
Two great minds, and a nice moderator. I've read "Sapiens" recently, now finishing the "Enlightenment" (it's big, but the last 150 pages are commentaries and book references, lol). Compared to Harari's books, Pinker has statistics for literally every piece of information, whereas Yuval is more of a visionary to me. Wonderful to see them both in conversation together. Thank you.
Fantastic interview, wonderful host! Thank you!
Great conversation! I would really really like to see Harari talking with Elon Musk :)
Yeah! That would be great!
Absolutely. Instead of that clown jack ma as that's what we received
Elon Musk?! Are you serious. He isn't even close to their league in terms of mind-power. He's very good at marketing, self-promotion, flashy events and making people think that he came up with ideas that have been around for decades (hyperloop, reusable rockets, Tesla existed before him, etc). Have you ever read any of Pinker's books? Now try to imagine Musk doing the same...
@@pmac258 I agree .. Musk is a by-product of media
So musk just got extremely rich out of nowhere? He stole a bunch of ideas and just marketed them better?
Great to watch. From other interviews with Harari I feel westerners need to open more to other ways of thinking about world problems. Harari raises question that no one has before. Thank you for uploading this.
I believe we will eventually have something similar to the social scoring in China - but independent from monetary interests and also not connected to a government agenda ....... I am missing any idea from Yuval how to work on these issues - instead he repeats and repeats and repeats his (great !) analysis.....(www.trustos.org would be my approach)
Well, I'm very grateful to have this talk for free on my YT. However, it is much easier to absorb a knowledge of Yuwal Harari and Steven Pinker from theirs books. Here, it was sometimes chaotic and some similar topics twice. In books, everything is more clear. Anyway, thank you Yuval Noah Harari for publishing so valuable content. Maybe you can visit Poland one day? I can help with collecting a huge audience:)
I would love to see Harari discussing with Andrew Yang.
His talk with Dan Ariely is pretty classic.
Why? You want to see Yang humiliated? Just because he calls for UBI and Yuval has a similar-sounding word Universal Basic Services does not mean Yang is at a level where he can hold a conversation with the likes of Yuval. See this Yuval talk to see what he really means by Universal Basic Service, Yang cannot even comprehend that: kzhead.info/sun/p5mSYqeveqWklXk/bejne.html&vl=en
@@tirthajyoti haha. Why you so salty?
Mr. Harari, I want to thank you I found your chanel. I just finished readind your book Sapiens, what I do recommend to everyone..... many thanks from Brasil.
Really enjoyed this exchange of ideas! Thanks for posting this 😊
Hey Joe Rogan, please invite both Yuval Harari and Steven Pinker to your show and then just let them converse / exchange for three hours.
joe has actually had Pinker on
Definitely. At least get Yuval on, that would be a great podcast.
@@TheFuzzician I honestly think it would be a little hard for Joe to keep up with someone like Yuval Harari. Hopefully, it wouldn't be something like the Nick Bostrom podcast
@@AKhanboxing or maybe Joe doesn't like gay people
It's very interesting conversation, glad to find and watch it! Thank you!
An incredible discussion. Truly informative. And look, much credit to the moderator for not interfering with the intellectual exchange. He did his job wonderfully.
I now truly understand the phrase, "to be a fly on the wall". It is such a privilege to be able to listen to these two critical-thinkers of our era sharing their thoughts and ideas.
What a great conversation! The entire video is worth anyone´s time.
Great conversation! I only wish we all had more conversations like this.
Great to hear the insight and different perspective of two secular humanist Internet stars from two different disciplines, age/experience, temperament and political leanings.
What I always appreciate about Yuval is his ability to recognize the different blind spots that most of us are unaware of while approaching a given problem or argument.
Many thanks to School for Policy Analysis NaUKMA! I was waiting for their meeting for so long. So surprised to find it hosted in Ukraine :)
it was a real pleasure, thank you!
I am downloading this video and will watch it again and again ✌️
You could ask almost anything to Yuval and Pinker. Name any thinker of any time. They probably have some of the most elegant narrative answers, with capacities to recreate multiple versions of the same data, puling it from their analogic hardwares. So, what's next in terms of humanity achieving wisdom behaviors beyond data?
Hello. Whos bias do yku seek? Good luck.
What a brilliant comment...”to recreate multiple versions of the same data” 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
@@Regux That's certainly what pinker is good at.
and how empty it would be, because you aren't allowed to hear the other side, Edward Dutton did a recent critique of Pinker, reveals quite a few holes, but that is to be expected, the man no longer follows through on his own thoughts made in that blank slate book, and now just defends ideology of pseudo scientific religion.
First point of Steven Pinker: I wrote a book 😁 Besides that, such a honor to be allowed to listen to this conversation - thank you 😊 It seems Pinker doesn't think he can be manipulated, since he is an expert, that seems interesting in my view..
👏👏We need more this kind of conversations!! Big Thanks to mr.Harari & mr.Pinker! ❤️❤️👌👌
Very illuminating discussion. Like to watch more of Harari’s presentations.
Last words from harrari.. about scientists and scholars to think about how their work is going to have an impact over political and economical landscapes and to consider about the worst case scenario.. is a huge take over from the conversation.. 😊
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Yuval Harari had the better arguments. Again, he did not disappoint. It is always interesting to hear him speak. Thanks.
Thanks for the interview.
Balance of sunshine and rain in my hometown !
⭕️ I was wondering that Pinker has great hair, but then Robert Sapolsky comes into my mind !!
But Sapolsky has one plus point, it's his beard. Pinker doesn't have that. but I wonder how does he look like if he has a beard. lol
@@quotesofaeon9408 I have his book behave. But I will start reading it after I finish the blank slate.
Alguien que lo subtitule al español, en verdad esta conversación es genuina.
Would love to see Harari have a discussion with Douglas Murray
I have read 2 Hariri, s books and one Pinker, both are great, but we can they see reality in a different way, I agree on Hariri view. Anyways two. Great minds that help me understand this world, thank you for sharing.
A great meeting of minds. Refreshing.
Actually I dont know if somebody already pointed it out but the moderator is quite good. Good questions, doesnt interrupt, let the conversation flow...
When need a redux of this very soon. Extend this conversation on a stage somewhere and film it.
Very glad to see Steven Pinker and Yuval Harari in Ukraine. I believe, that Ukraine truly can be that country where such great people can meet and work
The two of the greatest thinkers of our time showed us how to disagree rationally with all due respect. And I can see the humble gestures they showed when they admit their agreement on a specific detail while disagreeing or rethink their own suspicions after listening to their counterparts.
Yeah me too! Excelent recommendation KZhead! Two representatives of the better qualities of human beings in so a fruitful and illuminating dialogue!
Never have i clicked on a YT video so quickly. Thank you yt ✌🏻
Should I thank the KZhead algorithm for drawing my attention to this exchange? Well, thanks.
Didn't realise you had your own YT channel! Subbed before watching a second of any video
Pinker looks angelic in some of these shots because of the light. Great discussion and moderation. I had never heard of Mr. Harari before, and now I have!
I also like how the moderator lets them speak and doesn't interrupt all the time.
Yes, very skilful and selfless interviewing to allow them both enough space to see where they go by themselves
Beautiful dialogue. Thanks for sharing.
This video is just beautiful. I am grateful to be born in this age of information.
Please Yuval make a daily videos, i am following you ! Even short videos i still like !
I don't think Stephen Pinker understands the implications of automated information processing the way Harari does: He points out how complex the brain is and how difficult it would be to manipulate individual decisions. Sure, but the law of large numbers still apply. Swaying the minds of 1-2% of the population towards a certain argument would be huge. Consider that most people "understand" that a Ferrari is more prestigious than a Porche, which is more prestigious than a BMW, which is more prestigious than a Toyota... Those relationships have been established over decades by good old fashioned marketing, imagine a system that could "implant" that kind of "knowledge" within millions of people over months. Pinker also mentions how hard genetics are and how complex the the relaitonship between genes for any given fenotype is. Well, consider AI with access to masses of genetics-data that could be cross referenced with medical journals and similar documents... Perhaps genetics will advance faster than he thinks!
Yes, I agree. I was honestly surprised by his optimism for 'democratic societies' not tolerating 'a camera in every room' There already are cameras in every room and Edward Snowden has proven the the US has been spying on citizens for years... Our cell phone create enough of a map to generally track most individual's movements and practices. Tolerance for this has been recharacterized. Tolerance is a non issue. A vampire cannot cross your threshold unless you invite him in. (edited for spelling)
Genetics have been shown to be massively overvalued/not important: the human genome project has turned out to show us nothing. The materialists' models are falling apart.
@@79Lexxus Even if I agreed with you about the value of genetics, how does that undermine a "materialist model"?
Yuval, what are your thoughts on Andrew Yang? I think he’s bringing up many of these important issues. #YangGang
The criminal justice system was not a good example for Steven’s point, it is a great example for Yuval’s argument. Great conversation.
The guy is a phenomenal interviewer
Superb discussion, not just by two great thinkers, but two mature adults.
I would love to see Yuval Noah Harari converse with Jonathan Haidt about politics
Amazing conversation. Although I had the feeling that several answers by Pinker were basically evading Hararis arguments - which led to him having to repeat himself. Like this one argument by Pinker, "we always had to decide between ethics and effectivity and chose the former, which is why judges don't (officialy) judge based on the race or gender of the defendant" had already been countered by Harari: It just never was effective enough. If it were, and a country were to employ a highly effective algorithm as a judge leading to falling crime rates, how would (and will) other countries probably respond? Will we adopt our ethical system accordingly? Also I love how at one point Pinker just gave in like "yeah i guess we should depend more on algorithms". Honestly wonder what Harari was thinking in this moment xD
"And we grew up I think, in a kind of easy situation when doing the efficient thing also meant doing the ethical thing." That scares me to death.
Two of my favorite thinkers, thanks for this!
Fantastic conversation! Just beautiful! Could one, or both, of you please have a sit down conversation with Andrew Yang??? The internet will forever love you 🧢
Good quality entertainment, nice to see that people hear to each other and came with arguments to illuminate each other ideas in a different light. but 260 000 views in youtube is too little for these two. I agree, great moderator !
Would be curious if this conversation is any different today.
love those two talking.♡ and in the ukraine, of all places. but i believe the interviewer's name is maksym yakovlyev. for those of you who want to look him up on the internet. which is what i'll do next.
thank you :)
What stands out from this conversation is that Pinker does not buy any of Harari's dystopian fears.
And that Pinker is really purposefully blind to reality.
2 of the greatest thinkers on the planet currently. Great viewing.
Steven Pinker and Yuval Harari, thank you for existing.
I would like to translate this video to Spanish y and Brazilian Portuguese.
Si, por favor
Si, por favor
I can do it for Portuguese also, we could help each other.
⭕️ Who want conversation between Yuval Noah Harari and Robert Wright, besides me ??
Me encantaría que hicieran traducción al español de los vídeos. Gracias
🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗 I am so soothed by listening to Pinker.., his intellect fires mine.. it excites my thoughts… Absolute privilege and warm bath of thought…🙏🙏🙏🙏
Great Conversation !
I'm very glad that Steven Pinker mentioned Effective Altruism.
kzhead.info/sun/qdqGqNaFbYV-gWg/bejne.html
The impact of crappy data is a big problem I think, and not mentioned.
Pinker's go-to response to this is "which data?" So if you know of any specifically, you can email him and he'll respond. Emphasis on specificity: You can't just say "this feels wrong, you're probably mistaken somehow." That wont fly.
Crappy data? What you mean?
27:58 watch the host's reaction to Yuval's words LMAO PS. great conversation, great ideas.
I´m enlighted by this talk. Love it to live in the present time!
This could have gone on for another 24 hours. My favourite thinkers. I’m always amazed though, at Pinkers ability to always place himself as the voice of absolute reason. The adult in the room.
I've not watched the video yet but I know I'm gonna love it because of the introducer's bow tie