When Corsairs & Hellcats hit the Tirpitz
The Royal Navy's Fleet Air Arm was tasked with keeping the German battleship Tirpitz tied up in its fjord in northern Norway during 1944 as the Russian convoys scrambled past on their way to Murmansk. Between April and August, a series of aircraft carrier strikes - Tungsten, Mascot and Goodwood - helped deal just enough damage to keep the last Nazi battleship out of action before Barnes Wallis' Tallboy bombs were ready to deal the final blow. While the attacks represented the first major operational deployment of the Fairey Barracuda torpedo-dive bomber, it was also among the first actions involving the F4U Corsair and F6F Hellcat in Fleet Air Arm service.
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The Brits weren't pussies and they turned the Corsair into everything it should be. I'm from the United States but I realize the incredible effort and contribution that the Brits made to winning this war. I'll stand up on the rooftops and applaud you all 6 days a week and twice on Sunday.
The Allies couldn't have won the war without the sheer Industrial strength of the U.S. Your countries War Production will never be equaled ever again. 👍
Your USAAF, Marine and USN aircrew deserve a round of applause and a round of drinks if I ever meet such brave me.
You critical theorist Commies are the real problem in America.
It’s like the p51 mustang, it sucked until the Brit’s got ahold of it and put a Merlin engine in it, then it became deadly
Captain Meyer on Tirpitz was my grandfather. He was so heavily injured that he had to be replaced some weeks after. In the end that was luck for him leaving the ship before its end. After the war he had a great relationship with a lot of British Navy people. Very interesting video, thanks a lot.
Glad to meet you. My father was a royal navy engine room officer. He met several Germans sailors over time, including a friendship with an engineer up in north Florida who was in a U Boat stationed in Norway at the end of the war.
In retrospect, the British should have left the Tirpitz alone. Not only wasn't it causing further harm moored where it was, it tied up almost 2,000 crew - and a lot of German logistics staff and supplies that were badly needed elsewhere. By 1944, everyone knew that battleships, magnificent and menace-looking as they were, were little more than floating coffins. Even the far superior Musashi had been sunk.
@@brentcarson9634 The only way British Supply ships could be protected from u-boats and aircraft was to form them into convoys. Convoys however were very vulnerable to fast battleships such as Tirpitz which had very powerfull 150mm guns. When it was though the convoy PQ17 was about to be intercepted by Tirpitz it was scattered to avoid destruction by Tirpitz. Almost the entire convoy PQ17 was sunk by u-boats and the Luftwaffe. The Tirpitz complimented the u-boats and Luftwaffe nicely. Of course the British were obsessed and the Tirpitz was so severely damaged it could hardly perform and "over raided' the ship. -Nevertheless the Germans upgraded the Tirpitiz. She received FuMO 81 Berlin microwave radar with PPI diplay, FuMO 63 Hohentwiel K with PPI display and it now seems the FuMO 26 Seetakt radar which had a power of 8kW and range of about 25km had been upgraded to a FuMO 34 100kW pre production radar that had a range of over 50km. The Tirpitz, like Iowa, could fire beyond the visual horizon (the radar horizon is about 15% greater) and spot shell splash. Maybe not as good but still a threat.
@@brentcarson9634 in the hindsight yes
@@brentcarson9634 If it wasn't so important to get the convoys to Russia, a different plan might have been in place, after all, it was the threat to those Convoys that the Tirpitz HAD to be prevented from leaving Anchorage, some how., and having permanent major ships sat around, waiting for her, , as perfect U-Boat targets, wasn't a choice.
After the ww2. Tirpitz was partly dismantled and in Oslo the the Public Roads Administration. Used metal plates salvaged from Tirpitz as temporally bridges when doing roadworks. I have actually many times walked on Tirpitz so to speak. I think by now they only have a few of these plates left still in use.
Thank you so much! I always thought the Fleet Air Arm never got the recognition they deserved! To hear the story from them men who did it is an honor.
Really super series and channel for those of us interested in World War II. As a person with hearing difficulties I have found the use of the KZhead closed caption subtitles really helpful. I use them for all YT videos, so I get to understand the speakers if they speak loudly enough for the YT closed caption service. It's rare that they don't and then I'm stumped, but my use case is probably unusual. For those who feel the speakers are too fast, play the video at a slower speed, and those who find them too slow, play them at faster speed. I play this channel mostly at normal speed to aid my understanding, but Drachinfel's 3 hour long Dry Docks I play at double speed, unless there is something I didn't hear correctly, (very rare) when I backtrack and slow it down until I can understand it. Hope this helps those who have frustrations with this sadly under appreciated channel. The body of work here is so high in quality that people will eventually come here in their droves, when it is discovered. Long may the creator be interested and motivated to continue!
I know I should put effort into closed captions, but, as one person, I simply don't have the mental stamina left after building the audio and video ...
Thanks Jamie (I assume that's your name, as other people have called you that), please don't misunderstand my comment, I'm not complaining, quite the opposite! Your content is top notch and fills a niche no one else is even attempting at this point. I hope most of us recognise the enormous effort that creating your content requires to keep the quality as high as it is. My comment was just trying to help out the few who have complained about speed and understanding the different voices of the witnesses and participants in your videos. It's important that they're retained as that is the unique aspect of your content that makes it so historic and real. The automatically generated closed captions almost always pick up the speakers' words clearly enough for me and many others to understand the meaning. I've got used to the way that the auto generated captions mistranslate rarely used words in everyday speaking in America, substituting them for more frequently used words, such as "bomber" being translated as "O'bama". Over the years my brain has learned to compensate for these hiccups. It was interesting when O'bama first was president and was talked about a lot on channels I watched - KZhead took a while to get it right and mistranslated it in so many different ways that it was hard to follow until the algorithm finally twigged what people were trying to say! In conclusion, yes those few of us who need closed captions would appreciate it if someone could collaborate with you to do it, but we all should know how much harder it would be for you to do than someone like Drachinifel, who writes their own scripts which is likely quite straightforward to convert to closed captions (I imagine). Keep up the good work - we really appreciate it! Kind regards Mike
The bravery of these men never ceases to amaze me. They sound so casual and matter of fact about it all "Number 4 had a direct hit, so he never came back" Thank you for your great posts. They are enlightening and informative and give an insight the usual documentaries sometimes do not.
I admire the bravery
I always feel a sense of pride to be allies with such courageous and humble heroes.
I absolutely love this series. Fantastic interviews with men who are no longer with us.
The US Navy had rejected the Corsair as unsuitable for carrier operations (they couldn't land them safely because of the long nose). The Fleet Air Arm solved the problem by approaching the deck in an anti-clockwise arc rather than straight in, so they could see the deck past the Corsair's nose. They also solved the tendency of the Corsair to stall on the approach by adding a small piece of right angled metal to the leading edge of the starboard wing. Finally, they clipped 8 inches off each wing tip so the aircraft would fit in the ship's hangar. This resulted in an unexpected increase in top speed and ultimately led to changes on other aircraft such as the Spitfire. Not just heroes, innovative as well!
They were not rejected, the USN had the Hellcat for carrier ops. "In November 1943, the Royal Navy received its first batch of 95 Vought F4U-1s, which were given the designation "Corsair [Mark] I". The first squadrons were assembled and trained on the U.S. East Coast and then shipped across the Atlantic. The Royal Navy put the Corsair into carrier operations immediately. They found its landing characteristics dangerous, suffering a number of fatal crashes, but considered the Corsair to be the best option they had." wiki
The courage of the men and women who fought in WWII is truly amazing! Great video!
Couldn't agree more.
"a nasty surprise for the germans, those corsairs and hellcats!"
To the doubters, the RN also named the attacks on the Tirpitz during July-August 1944 Operation Goodwood nos 1 to 4. How can I be certain ? Apart from the military records, there were mentions in the War Cabinet papers (I have copies), including the report of the torpedoeing of the Escort Carrier HMCS Nabob by a German U-boat late on the afternoon of the 22 August 1944 - and my dad was an Avenger pilot on Nabob. The torpedo opened up a 40 -50 square hole in the ships hull (Escort carriers didn't have a thickened armoured belt around the hull like the larger Fleet carriers) and it lost all engine and electrical power and came to a shuddering halt. Predigous effort by the shipwrights amongst the Canadian ships crew kept the ship afloat, although it was still static, down at the stern and listing heavily. I understand that Nabob was the first Escort carrier not to blow-up entirely when hit by a torpedo. Sometime tiime later, the same U-boat fired a further acoustic homing torpedo, with the intent of finishing-off the carrier but because the carrier was dead in the water, making no way because the screws weren't turning, it passed directly under Nabob, without exploding and proceeded to hit a smaller Escort vessel, HMS Bickerton which was manoeuvering on the other side of the carrier, with consequent great loss of life. Bickerton remained afloat and then the RN gave orders to torpedo it In the interim Nabob's crew managed to restore limited engine and electrical power and the carrier was detached from the attack force and ordered to return to Scotland. Unfortunately, the carrier was trailled by the German U-boat , at a distance, as it made its way back to the UK. Nabob's captain was concerned that if the U-boat was allowed to trail on the surface it would close the carrier and put it at further risk. So the squadron commander of the Avenger Squadront on board, no 852, the famous Lt Cdr Bradshaw and his no 2 Jupp volunteered to mount an anti-submarine patrol with the intent of keeping the U-boat submerged and therefore reduce its forward speed in the hope that the carrier could then put distance between itself and its attacker. So, later in the night, two Avengers took off from Nabob (Without catapult assistance), which was making way at reduced speed and was still heavily down at the stern and listing. The weather was appalling, but Bradshaw managed to locate and harry the U-boat forcing it to submerge and after a 4 hour patrol, Nabob had managed to put sufficient distance between itself and the U-boat that there was no prospect of the U-boat catching up (Provided Nabob maintained way). The sea and weather conditions were appalling and this, added to the difficulty of landing back on a beavily listing carrier, meant that on return of the two aircraft to Nabob, the first to come aboard, Jupp, landed satsifactorily, whereas Bradshaw crashed, survived, but in the process damaged several other aircarft on deck, some of which had to be disposed of over the side into the sea. This event was commemorated in an oil painting which, I understand, used to hang in the Ward Room of HMS Ocean when it was in commission. Nabob made it back to the Firth of Forth where its was beached, the dead removed from the below deck compartments, de-stored, raided for spares and eventually struck from the list. Post War, the carrier was sold for commercial use, repaired and converted to use as a Freighter hnder the name SS Glory, until scrapped in 1977 in Taiwan. The excellent job the Canadian crew and shipwrights did in recovering and effectively salvaging Nabob was, I understand, used as a model for the conduct of future such tasks by the Canadian Navy. I'm convinced that the torpedoeing of the ship saved my dad's life, on two counts. Firstly, at the time of the torpedoeing he was on deck preparing his aircraft for a mine-laying operation against Tirpitz that was slated to take place later that evening. Had he not been on deck, the he would have been in his accomodation below decks. The explosion from the torpedo completely wrecked several below decks compartments, including his accomodation. Secondly, the mine laying operation as conceived and proposed by their Lordships of Admiralty, involved the squadron of Avengers, each heavily laden with mines, flying in formation, in the twlight, unescorted at low level, up 40 miles of fjord to reach the Tirpitz. This plan was considered by the 852 Squadron aircrew as suicidal, as the Avenger's cruising speed, with a mine load, was in the region of 150-170 knots and the fjord was lined on both banks by anti-aircraft positions and flak pontoons and vessels. Few would have come back.
It was never HMCS Nabob, it was indeed HMS Nabob, with an RCN skipper, Horatio Nelson Kay, and many RCN ship's company, but 852 Sqn FAA was RN 🇬🇧🇬🇧🥰🥰🤲🤲
These videos are pure gold!
My dad was aboard Indefatigable. I have his old photos of the barracudas in the raid.
Another excellent presentation. Many thanks for your work.
I do so appreciate the naming conventions the Royal Navy.
Absolutely fascinating history. Very daunting missions. Terrific interviews and footage. Thanks for posting.
Interesting video. Thanks. My grandfather led the second Tungsten strike. Nowadays I am helping a little on the restoration of a PR Spitfire lent to the Russian ORAP 118 unit, that spied on Tirpitz and other Nazi assets up there.
Thanks to your family
Dear sir my father flew on those missions , he was in the fleet Air arm and he told me about these sorties flying swordfish gruman marlettts and corsairs .
My father was radar officer aboard HMS Emperor at the time of the Tungsten operation, Emperor's 800 and 804 squadron Hellcats were involved in the raids. I have some of his personal photos of deck operations scanned on Flickr if anyone is interested.
Dear sir . Reading your comment I wonder if my father and your father knew each other as my father was on the emperor .he flew the planes but obviously worked on the aircraft carrier my dad's name was g flood . I wonder
This is why so many men turned to gardening and pottering about the shed making things, after the war. Peace and quiet.
A most enjoyable documentary! Lots of great footage and photographs to be seen. Looking forward to part 2.
Fantastic video as always, thank you for your excellent continued service, it really does mean a great deal.
Really interesting episode on lesser known actions. Didn't know there were Polish pilots in the Fleet Air Arm. Good to see the often forgotten HMS Furious putting in an appearance. HMS Indefatigable must have been virtually a brand new ship here.
We must never forget our history
My dear departed Grandad (RIP Bungy) served aboard Furious for the entire duration of the war, there is so little on record about her it's a shame, one of the most overlooked things about her was that she was actually the worlds first dedicated aircraft carrier (with her sisters, Glorious and Courageous following in her wake a year or two behind) all of them hasty cobbling together's of jackie Fishers failed shallow water Monitors designed originally to bombard off Galopoli with a huge monster of a single 18" gun in an aft turret. I watched this vid with a lump in my throat everytime a shot of the old "Furibox" came on, trying to visualise what my Grandad (bungy Edwards to his shipmates in navy parlance due to his love of cheese (bungy)) would have been doing right then and there at that very moment.
The Tirpitz was essentially a 'fleet in being' that lived rent-free in Churchills head until it was finally sunk.
We still have people who will fight for our Country I in am my sixties and would fight for our Country.
If only the Admiralty and Air Ministry had known how short of fuel the German Navy and in particular the Tirpitz was, they need not have mounted so many raids. I'm surprised that no mention is ever made as to whether anyone tried to obtain that information.
Thank you for the video. My grandfather was serving on HMS Strker at the time, and would have taken part in Operation Planet if it had gone ahead.
Great video. I chatted with a sailor who served on HMCS Sioux. After the war though (1954). He showed me many pictures of his time in the Pacific
My uncle Dereck Tovey was a AA Gunner; 20mm, aboard the HMS Indefatigable during most of the war. He was transferred off a few days before she dropped anchor in Tokyo Bay for the Formal Japanese Surrender.
Fantastic video again.
Once again brilliant work
Enjoy the history very much, although i would recommend the audio be louder, speakers were very soft spoken, interesting to note, there were many aircraft I had never heard of before, good show!!
The British do tend to be quieter than other English speakers. As an an Irishman, I like that. Mind you, rather than an english gentleman, I'd rather be an Irish gentle man. Slante.
Thanks, much appreciated presentation.
The carrier based ops against the Tirpitz have been described as largely ineffectual, but I imagine they still did their part to ensure the battleship, in the words of Ludovic Kennedy, "lived an invalid's life and died a cripple's death".
I guess it depends on your definition of "ineffectual". They scored enough damage to keep her under repairs. And they scared her commanders enough to keep her in port. That, in my book, is a "mission kill" ... meaning she was not a threat to the ongoing Russian convoys. Absolutely, it was not an "actual kill" until the Tallboys finished her off.
Wonderful bloke, Ludo Kennedy. I doubt if he ever "guessed".
Tirpitz was solved by the Lancaster of no 617 and no 9 squadron Raf. 3 direct hits by 12,000lb tallboy bombs. Capsized.
Wasn't Hampton Gray who would go on to win the last Canadian VC on August 9th 1945 (posthumously) one of the pilots in this raid?
I believe he was, yes.
I had no idea that the RN Air Arm flew Corsairs. Up until seeing this video I only knew of Corsair serving in the Pacific Theater.
Exactly what I was thinking!
Excellent video.
British armed forces should never name another operation Goodwood. Bad luck. Im certain the British pilots were pleased there was no German fighter opposition but it would have been interesting to see how the Hellcats and Corsairs fared against the 109’s and or FW 190’s.
As long as they played the Corsair strengths and they could take heavy punishment, they would have done well. They wouldn't try turning with a 109 or roll with 190 zoom and boom.
Can't wait for the next one!
Struggling to find enough footage. I'll get there eventually.
Great stuff
Fun fact. The USS New Jersey was built to take on German battleships like the Tirpits.
Very nicely edited. Some great still shots in there for us modellers to work form too.
Barracudas remind me of the balsa wood model planes you used to get with a big elastic band to power the prop.
Excellent!!!
Thank you
Never realized corsairs and hellcats flew off carriers in the Atlantic….by British flyers no less
@23:40 ... if that bomb had actually exploded ... So near but yet so far :( Brilliant Brilliant video :)
If only the Barracudas had attack radar to see the Tirpitz through the smoke screen.
Two errors by the RN during the Falklands "conflict" : smoke-screens and "barrage" balloons. Possibly better defence under close range attack. A fascinated Irish pacifist, for your information and possible enlightenment.
Radar in that vintage was not able to provide useful data in such circumstances - looking down in rough terrain
I believe the tall boy bombs dropped by the dam buster squadron did it in.
Freaking awesome!
Thought the speakers were going to fall asleep..
We made many attemps attacking the TIRPITZfrom H.M.S. INDEFATIGABLE
It actually to the 20,000 bomb (two-ton tessie) to sink the Tirpitz.
No, turpitz was not by 3 x 12,000 lb tallboy bombs dropped from 20,000 ft by Lancaster of 617 and 9 squadron using the Sabs bombsight. A fourth grand slam was a very near miss..The turpitz capsized.
You are correct on the size. Only reason it didn't sink all the way was because the was too shallow. One didn't explode and was located recently and exploded while it was being disarmed. You can see its in this video. kzhead.info/sun/jNmEqb2mZ3Rmlw/bejne.html
As I remember, The Grand Slam bomb was only available in 1945. Mind you, ignorance is supposed to be "Bliss". Lancasters were unable to reach the altitude determined by Barnes Wallis, even for Tallboys, never mind the 22,000 lb grand slam. Good luck with accurate research. Mind you, I suspect you might be a Sociopath/Psychopath, in which case my comments would be water off a duck's back.
@@johnconlon9652 As already stated, I was incorrect and it was 12,000 lb. that was used.
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Hell cats/wildcats and Corsairs? I thought only the USN flew those in the Pacific. Interesting
England had lost many brave men trying to do that.
I am not sure what they used to make smoke, but it was not good. Tree rings from the area show almost no growth during that period.
some of the pictures are quite remarkable
A few question; 1) why Corsairs and Hellcats? (longer range, better armor, ...?) 2) What were the United Kingdom pilot's evaluation of those planes? 3) Why the Barracuda and not the Avenger, it flew faster and had better payload?
I have videos where RN pilots give their thoughts on the Corsair and Hellcat. But the reason why was the Battle of Britain: Development of RN aircraft was suspended and their new engine cancelled. It was an emergency defensive measure. The price of extra and better Spitfires in 1941 was a lack of new aircraft designs available in 1943. But supply of US aircraft was erratic. The USN was after all rapidly equipping its own enormous carrier expansion program. So aircraft such as Seafires were adapted to plug the gaps. The Barracuda was given an RAF engine to replace the cancelled RN engine, but it wasn't powerful enough. But it had to be used until enough spare Avengers were available. The upshot is it was a mix of different doctrines, the Blitz, and supply and demand pressures.
@@ArmouredCarriers Thanks. I'll dig deeper into your content for more info. 🙂
According to my father who served in HMS Emperor, the pilots loved the Hellcats because of their rugged durability, wide undercarriage, and relative ease of landing (cut the power and it's down). The Seafires weren't popular with pilots, as while wonderful to fly when airborne, they were a pig to land on a deck. Narrow undercarriage, and the shallow wing dihedral made them prone to ground effect, and they used to float over the deck and not catch the wire.
Hellcats a d Corsairs operating in Europe interests me. Wondered how they fared compared to the Pacific
Hellcats with British markings? That's not something I'm used to seeing.
Some one asked me recently what would have happened if the Germans had completed and worked up the Graff Zeppelin? I immediately thought of the Tirpitz i.e. Churchill would have obsessed about it until it was pounded to bits.
Given the Allied blockade of the German ports what would have happened is that the GZ would have been sunk by subs within a day of putting to sea. If they missed it then the Home Fleet would put to sea and sink it. Basically, the Germans wouldn't have any chance for the ship to work up because it would never put to sea and make it back to port. They were right to stop work on it.
@@iatsd Yeah, I think you’re probably right. It wouldn’t have got past Norway at best. My point was just more about Churchill’s meddling, sorry, ‘focus’ on Tirpitz and the consequent fleet in being scenario.
The Tirpitz was finally sunk while hiding in a fjord in Tromsø.
A thought just occurred to me now and I can't imagine why it never occurred till now. I started reading about the Tirpitz when I was a boy. I had a friend here growing up - he worked at the local music store in the late 70s - who had lied about his age to join the RN and was a sailor on one of the midget subs that attacked him. He never said a word about it to us we only found out when the local newspaper did a piece on him on some anniversary. Anyway my thought. Why didn't they think baseball and put the ball in play so to speak? Let Tirpitz out. Or even better since the Enigma was being beaten more often than not, bait Hitler into putting him to sea. They had been down this road once before with Bismarck. It cost the Hood and Prince Of Wales got shot up pretty good but they had to like their chances on a rematch. I admit there is the potential for a repeat of a very costly victory but not much for a defeat. Powerful as they were they were just two battleships. And never got the opportunity to operate together. Perhaps set up a similar scenario to the North Cape when Scharnhorst was sunk. Bait they can't resist plus a little trickery to separate him from his escorts and lead him into a trap where hes outnumbered and out gunned ten for one. Someone must have thought of something like this and rejected it back then. Aside from the potential to be expensive and by that I mean bloody, the only problem I really see is that in both Bismarck and Scharnhorst's cases a key factor was a lucky shot. the torpedo hit on Bismarck's stern, and Scharnhorst's forward radar getting taken out early on. Nobody of course would say that out loud but its pretty obvious that the puck bounced the RNs way both times. Even so, I think the chances of success would have been good enough to warrant a try.
KMS Scharnhorst was "baited out" from a fjord and sunk in December, 1943. So at this point the Kreigsmarine had lost the Graf Spee, Bismarck, and Scharnhorst. Perhaps the (wimpy) strategy at this point of the war was to pin down Royal Navy assets by the mere threat of the Tirpitz, Allied assets that would have been welcome in other theaters of WWII.
Sad ending to crew and ship, got stripped, looted and aside from small pieces of rusting metal, salvage dock, and still visible crater holes, one wouldn’t even know there once was a ship there.
It is better forgotten.
The guys on the way to their mission smiling laughing and joking inside they were probably frightened but they didn't show it brave men we cant duplicate that these days apart from a few guys here and there
What is with historians constantly singling out one of a pair of ships as the "most powerful" or biggest? There were two Yamato and two Bismarck class vessels, so unless some minor changes were made were virtually identical.
It had no fuel, it was just attacked for the sake of being attacked
If the FAA had hit Tirpitz, wouldn't Tirpitz have had to notice it?
The bomb damage diagrams can be seen in the video
Fascinating accounts
Isn't that the same Peter Scott, who set up the Slimbridge wildfowl sanctuary?
No, he was a destroyer officer.
MTBs I think he was on.
Anyone know the name of the narrator in the initial newsreel? His voice is very common in this sort of footage.
The name isn't given, unfortunately. The credits given are Gaumont British News (here via Britith Pathe): kzhead.info/sun/ZcykktuGppmLm6s/bejne.html
That very distinctive clipped English voice (I wish they still spoke like this) belonged to Edward Victor Henry Emmett who was the vocal mainstay of "Gaumont British News" productions during the 1930 & 40s. Here is a clip from the 1939 film "The Arsenal Stadium Mystery" of the very man, playing himself, commentating on a charity football match. kzhead.info/sun/nKWuhquIn5Z4Znk/bejne.html
I think you'll find that one of the commentators is Keith,not Harold Quiltter
We are both right. His full name - as recorded on the IWM site - is Quilter, Harold Keith
Our greatest generation.
So what happened? Where is part 2?
I'm a one person production team. It takes a while to find all the content before I can start. Part 2 of Sink The Tirpitz will look at the Barracudas and the final strike by Lancasters.
@@ArmouredCarriers Thanks. Your efforts are much appreciated.
Bad names for a 🚢
How come the enemy radars don't see low flying airplanes but they do see ships???
Size basically. Planes can be lost to radar against thick weather, but comparatively large ships may still be visible to radar. Bear in mind that radar then was not as sophistcated as now.
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Hellcats and Corsair's, I wonder about that! Brits didn't fly a lot of those.
The RN received 1182 Hellcats and 1892 Corsairs
Wake up, get up... and fight, everyday for six years. For the British at least
It would be luverly if someone producing these videos would kindly TURN THE DAMNED VOLUME UP. There's just so much you can do with a smart phone and enormous amounts of audio gain isn't, at least on mine, available. I'd love to watch it but the lack of audio is just frustrating.
Every interview was done at different points over the past 50 years, using different quality equipment in different quality settings. I run them through what voice levelling software I have available. I set the strength levels to KZhead's defined standard. But perhaps because it is voice only - or because the voice has already been heavily processed - it doesn't come out all that strong. I'll experiment a little more, but I confess I test on my study PC and not on a mobile.
Thanks for looking.
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The most powerful battleship in the ETO was a North Carolina, South Dakota or Iowa when they were deployed in the ETO.
No, both the Littorios, Richelieu and Tirpitz were more powerful than the NC and SD classes, and not far behind the Iowas.
@@niclasjohansson4333 False. Except maybe for Richelieu. The Bismarck class was overweight and a poor armor scheme. Their 15" guns had about 1.5" less penetration at range and the Mk 8's extra 1000lbs of splintering material would do far more damage. The Littorios were under armored and penetration was not quite equal to the 16"/45. The Richelieu was a good match for the South Dakotas. None of these classes were anywhere near the firepower of w 16"/50 which could penetrate 17+" of armor at 25kyds.
You are wrong about the armour penetration, all the European 15" guns is superiour to the 16"/45, infact the US gun had the lowest velocity, by a good margin, of ALL battleship guns! The 16"/50 is a little better than the German 380 at long range but slightly inferiour to the ltalian 15", at any range. The SD class had the worst TDS of any ww2 BBs, and the lowas was only slightly better. About displacement, Bismark was actually closer to SD than to Iowa, but when it comes to speed "she" was closer to the lowas, with a trail speed of 31 knots, vs SDs 27,8. The German armour steel was also better than the American, even thou its not a big differens. Bismark was far from perfect, but niether was any other BB.
@@niclasjohansson4333 My data comes from Nathan Okun, the go to guy for armor penetration. Take it up with him. The main damage mechanism from naval artillery is from splinters. What part of 800-1000lbs more metal for splinters don't you get?.
Too many adds!!!!
Urk. I'll check. shouldn't be more than one every 10mins.
Very sorry. It seems this one went through with Google defaulting one for every five minutes. I've changed this now.
@@walterkronkitesleftshoe6684 Apologies. I'm not independently wealthy enough to cover all the costs associated with sharing this hobby. For example, reducing the video-enhancement from three days of processing time down to 12 hours will cost me $2000. And, sometimes, it can cost up to $300 for 10 seconds of relatively clear footage.
@@ArmouredCarriers My criticism isn't aimed at you "Armoured", but at YT itself and its increasingly ridiculous advertising policies which repeated across the whole of the internet, make the web virtually unusable. I understand your viewpoint, and as I'm a follower of your excellent channel I'm more than happy to remove my comment from the thread. I wish you all the very best in your continued endeavours.
@@walterkronkitesleftshoe6684 That's fine. I understand your criticism. It's a frustration I actually share. The problem is the advertising model itself. It worked back in the day of newspapers and free-to-air television. But now its everwhere - including pay TV!
had no idea corsairs or hellcats were in European theater.
my first knowledge also.
They were used from "escort" carriers (also rebadged US small carriers) for North Atlantic convoy escort duties. Hellcats were also used to provide air cover to the western approaches to the English Channel on D-Day to cover the Normandy landings, and were used a lot in Mediterranean operations, including the invasion of Southern France.
They should rename this video “Fail Miserably to Sink the Tirpitz”.
....and your contribution to WW2?
volume too low I couldn't hear a word off it.
You must be a septic (tank). Although the english nowadays noisy braggarts.
4:10 Operation Goodwood? That was the name of Montgomery's big tank attack in Normandy that didn't accomplish much more than keeping the German 15th army busy for awhile, perhaps allowing Omar Bradley to prepare for Operation Cobra which accomplished a lot. Maybe the Hellcat pilot is misremembering? Or maybe the Royal Navy didn't care to check with the Royal Army? That's also quite plausible. The British Admiral who ordered Convoy PQ-17's to scatter and the escorts to run away was the First Sea Lord of that time---who had a brain tumor that killed him but not in time to save the convoy from being left at the mercy of U-boats and German bombers. 2 out of 3 ships were sunk. American ships had been part of the escorts, and our version of the First Sea Lord, Admiral Ernest King, found it possible to hate the Brits even more than he had for most of his life. Fortunately after the First Rottingbrain died, he was replaced by Admiral Cunningham, a *fighting* Admiral King would argue with but couldn't help but admiring, and they worked together to exterminate 3 of every 4 U-boat crews and land troops in France.
It was called Operation Goodwood. The doubleups aren't all that uncommon.
I do not like ignorant, possibly stupid people, especially septic tanks (yanks).
oh dear you are obviously clueless about the Normandy strategy. All Goodwood was about was keeping Germany busy whilst allowing the Americans to make the breakthrough. That was absolutely the strategy to suck in the bulk of the German forces particularly the tanks against the Britsand Canadians, who suffered casualties on a ww1 level. Yes, that was all. Bradley understood the strategy even if you dont. He called it a noble national sacrifice
Born in 1949, I have studied that ghastly conflict.
Cost a lot of British and Canadian lives. No concept of analysing PQ17. Must be awful to be ignorant/stupid; perhaps not. Wish I was.
never knew the brits flew american carrier planes ....
Am I the only one who was surprised that the Brits were using American planes
Obviously it must be terribly embarrassing for the British to talk about because throughout this dialogue is whispered even with the sound turned all the way up.
At the end of WW2 in the pacific the British used only American Aircraft. None of the British were suitable because lack of range or performance.
Narration was horrible!
BORING AND TEDIOUS PRESENTATION.
corsairs off a carrier?...Wow!
Hellcats? Corsairs yes. Hellcats no. Wildcats yes. Check your facts. British didn't use hellcats.
Incorrect. Hellcats were first employed off Norway. They also served aboard escort carriers in the Indian Ocean and aboard HMS Indomitable in the Pacific.
The RN received 1182 Hellcats, slightly more than it did Wildcats (1100)
Why build the greatest battleship in the world and hide her? Does it make sense?
Are you going to put the "...to be continued link" anywhere? ... blue balling us 💙
Yoikes. Forgot to add a tag to this video. You can find Part 2 here: kzhead.info/sun/ismsXa2ijGttfIU/bejne.html
@Armoured Carriers thanks so much! So thankful of your content. Hope you laugh at my comment on Fatty the Infatagable. Looks like she was an infatagble vessel after all!