On Ditto, I always assumed it was because of the Daycare. Trainers bred with Ditto, leading to a population of wild ones in the surrounding area.
@EventideBlackFox6 ай бұрын
Trainers bred with dittos?
@muhammadsyafiq88826 ай бұрын
@@muhammadsyafiq8882 Its more of an out of universe thing. If you breed a lot of competitive pokemon like I used to a 6IV ditto is by far the most important tool to have around. That said, it doesn't explain why there would be wild dittos near the daycare rather than near every place with a PC.
@Toast_946 ай бұрын
@@Toast_94You finally get the thing you wanted from breeding, so you throw the breeding tool out on the spot
@1stCallipostle6 ай бұрын
@@1stCallipostle Any breeder worth their salt wouldn't toss out a 6IV ditto after breeding just their team; there are always friends that want strong pokes with egg moves that may not have the tools (or the patience) to make the pokemon they want themselves. Plus it's not easy to get such a ditto in the first place.
@Toast_946 ай бұрын
@@muhammadsyafiq8882it's okay man, I got it, made me chuckle
@Aceius6 ай бұрын
There was once a theory that after Red caught the first Snorlax, Lieutenant Surge used the second one to block the entrance of Diglett’s Cave to prevent Trainers from catching Diglett for his gym battle.
@darklightning27306 ай бұрын
Lol
@darlhiatt81366 ай бұрын
So much trouble. He should learn from Falkner who's angry that people claim birds are easily defeated by clipping their wings with a jolt of lightning: first in Gold/Silver he fools a kid into guarding the road as a "rite of passage" forbidding anyone to pass, then later in Crystal Falkner commits genocide on all the Mareep just to be really sure.
@_Vengeance_6 ай бұрын
@@_Vengeance_ a bunch of innocent mareep hide in a cabbage cart for camouflage, Falkner paints an arrow on his head and blows the cart off a cliff
@darlhiatt81366 ай бұрын
@@_Vengeance_ IDKY but the last part of that made me laugh.
@nostalgicumbry32796 ай бұрын
@@darlhiatt8136MY CABBAGES
@RobotnikPlays5 ай бұрын
Lance can early-evolve Dragonair and teach Dragonite Barrier/Aerodactyl Rock Slide because he's part of an ancient Dragon using clan. He knows secrets about Dragon pokemon the player doesn't. That's why they have to give you a Dratini with Extremespeed and you can't teach it yourself. They know how to teach Dragons moves that you can't.
@Kendreyek6 ай бұрын
I fuck with this
@smithplayspokemon6 ай бұрын
Probably an ancient form of chain-breeding. I love for chain-breeding to become canon in a way like this!
@cve73356 ай бұрын
Alternatively they already have acces to TM80, wich the player just isn't able to find in this region.
@cve73356 ай бұрын
So basically just like lance, his clan is cheater or hackers as well?
@ohhellwhereami25746 ай бұрын
Love this
@XyrnaTheTrainer6 ай бұрын
Shuckle can be obtained besides the one that you are given. It's found in Rock Smash rocks, being a 10% encounter in a obscure method to begin with, so it's okay to think that, just like some people thought Skarmory and Slugma were gen 3.
@Joel97_6 ай бұрын
That’s how I actually found Shuckle for the first time. I learned about the gift one much later
@Che1ito6 ай бұрын
Was gonna make the same comment
@LunarWingCloud6 ай бұрын
I always forget that skarmory is gen 2 lol, ruby and omega ruby trained my brain to think it's gen 3
@whole_wheat_soup93216 ай бұрын
wow can't believe i did not know this!!
@smithplayspokemon6 ай бұрын
I'm genuinely surprised people didn't know this. What I thought he meant in the video is that Shuckle was removed from Crystal even though it's still in Gold and Silver.
@sevasentinel41466 ай бұрын
Lake of Rage causing early evolution but lowering happiness is my head canon
@RealCaptainAwesome6 ай бұрын
Now that I think about it, the person who gives you the ticket for the magnet train was the copycat, the perfect person to add dittos to a new region
@dudenator36 ай бұрын
Mistery solved!
@Dxmar746 ай бұрын
If you read the Pokémon adventures manga, it gives reasoning to why red has the three starters as well as why he’s on mount silver in the first place. Yes he did borrow them. Also, in the manga, red’s eevee was a victim of team rocket’s experiment and due to unstable genetics, could go between its stone evolutions at will. That is until it became an espeon while under red’s care, stabilizing it
@edwardnowakowski59906 ай бұрын
That has nothing to do with the games though.
@EWOODJ6 ай бұрын
@@EWOODJ true, but the manga was written to coincide with the games. So plot details it gives, while not explicitly cannon, can fill gaps. Like, in the manga cannon, Blaine was one of the scientists who created mewtwo. Not explicitly stated in the games, but sure makes a lot of sense given what you find in the cinnabar mansion, which is next door to the gym and contains the key to his gym
@edwardnowakowski59906 ай бұрын
@@edwardnowakowski5990 Except the games outright contradict a lot of the manga, so it's stupid to use the manga to fill in plot games of the games.
@FrenkTheJoy6 ай бұрын
@@FrenkTheJoy so let me get this straight… on a video about 12 obscure theories, a territory that’s clearly for fun speculation, your first instinct when someone brings up licensed side content is to shut down the conversation? I’m guessing you’re the kind of person who got pissed when matpat started using the FNaF books to supplement his game theories Yes, the games have no mention of green, blastoise can’t be used to fly between cities, no Arboks in game actually get cut in half, geovanni doesn’t actually get a redemption arc until the spiky eared pichu event in HG/SS. But it’s all in good fun to speculate
@edwardnowakowski59906 ай бұрын
@@edwardnowakowski5990He is right, though. The canon source for the franchise are the games. Pokémon Origins, the manga... they all take place in an alternative universe.
@Neathyr6 ай бұрын
Just had an idea for a potential answer for the girl that gives you fly/steel wing... What if she's the pro golfer from alola that ends up becoming an elite four member? It would make sense that she'd want to have a getaway that's out of alola so she'd be less likely to get recognized. And given she's strong enough to eventually end up an elite four member, she would surely be strong enough to get the go ahead to make a retreat on Mt silver.
@FeanixFlamage6 ай бұрын
Even cooler, if I remember right, you find out Kahili is a former Alolan champion (in their traditional sense of completing all trials then fighting the other kids of her "class" if you will) and then she says in her intro that she was asked to come home when they opened the League. Considering Kukui is trying to get some world recognition for Alola as an official League, it would make sense to get some celebrity endorsement and Kahili is intrigued because she's strong enough she hasn't faced many real challenges lately. I am liking this theory she's been in Kanto now 😂 (And it fits that even if she's been off the radar, Kukui also says he recently had been in Kanto where he lost the League challenge to Lance but maybe he accidentally found Kahili and invited her in person?)
@Kahtisemo21 күн бұрын
Lance‘s Dragonite in RB (and japanese Red & Green) also knew Barrier which was illegal so he‘s 100% a hacker
@gigalodon146 ай бұрын
I recently learned this from another KZheadr who does similar videos: that unreachable water in the northeast part of Cherrygrove was made reachable in HGSS by changing the layout of Route 30 to allow you to surf down to it. However, because they weren't able to implement having multiple encounter tables of the same type on the same map until Generation VII, the portion of that pond that is in Cherrygrove has ocean encounters to match the ocean on the western part of the map, even though the portion that's on Route 30 has pond encounters.
@CyberchaoX6 ай бұрын
For the celebrity, I'd like to think it was Red who allowed her on Mt. Silver because he felt bad for ruining her hiding spot
@graysonbogert52886 ай бұрын
Riddle me this, whos gonna hear from Red where she lives?
@goalsavior6 ай бұрын
@@goalsaviormaybe he told Oak or his mom where he got FLY from
@RadeticDaniel6 ай бұрын
4:40 Maybe they intended the Cianwood Shuckle to be the only one, but it's not the only Shuckle in the game. While rare, you can catch Shuckle via the Rock Smash rocks as all Rock Smash rocks have a chance of being a Shuckle. Though, since it is rare, it would support the theory of that trainer being a collector of rare Pokemon.
@Dw7freak6 ай бұрын
I remember once hearing that the celebrity was actually legendary Japanese actress Setsuko Hara, who is best known for her role in Ozu’s Tokyo Story. She became a recluse for a long time, and I think there’s something extremely beautiful about suddenly finding her at the end of this journey.
@cookierill6 ай бұрын
you must be a mega weeb to know this info.
@H410M45T3R6 ай бұрын
@@H410M45T3R I mean, Ozu is one of the most acclaimed filmmakers in all of cinema, and she was the star of his most famous movie.
@cookierill6 ай бұрын
(It’s also worth noting that Satoshi Kon’s Millennium Actress, which is explicitly about Hara’s life and seclusion, was released in Japan around the same time as Gold & Silver)
@cookierill6 ай бұрын
@@cookierill who asked?
@H410M45T3R6 ай бұрын
@@H410M45T3R …People who might want to know more about an anime feature they very likely already love?
@cookierill6 ай бұрын
I support the idea of traveling into the sea from Goldenrod. Restoring lost concepts from beta is wonderful
@TylerDean13796 ай бұрын
You can do this in Liquid Crystal. They made a lot of changes to the map in that hack, adding new areas and making things accessible from different places
@jerryjb6 ай бұрын
@@jerryjb currently playing that one. Its great how they opened up the ocean parts more added all the extra areas
@mitchellbennett36956 ай бұрын
Well, in terms of Red borrowing Charizard, in the Adventures Manga, it was actually confirmed to be the case, as Blue Loans Red his Charizard to help him get to a specific area in Mt Silver. The same can somewhat be said for Green when she loans Red her Blastoise.
@NewController016 ай бұрын
The espeon is the eevee that could turn into any of the 3 original eeveelutions until it evolved into espeon
@bluecomet84166 ай бұрын
@@bluecomet8416 which, in terms of story, was a way to move on from it's trauma under Team Rockets experimentation
@NewController016 ай бұрын
Good to know!
@Adragos176 ай бұрын
I'm guessing Jasmine's Rock-type team included Onix (later a Steelix), Corsola (found in Olivine's waters), Shuckle (found across the Water routes), and Sudowoodo (found not too far inland). She would have been an interesting parallel to Blaine, another Gym leader whose specialty seemingly clashes with the local ocean's Water types.
@Salnax6 ай бұрын
it wouldn’t be Farfetch’d to assume the celebrity just flew to Mt. Silver with her Fearow
@vinnya11056 ай бұрын
Bugsy's metapod is the ONLY metapod (maybe cocoon pokemon in general) in the anime to actually fight back. It knocked out Ash's chikorita and put up a fight against pikachu. For that i will forever advocate putting it back in legacy crystal !!!
@booshbear6 ай бұрын
With a solid moveset, it could be cool.
@dungeonpastor6 ай бұрын
Not with that shit moveset it won’t. Hell, making it anything under like lv40 won’t even make it a challenge.
@generalsynnacle236 ай бұрын
@@generalsynnacle23 max attack stat (nature, ivs, evs) and it only knowing tackle + holding pink bow, it would at least do SOMETHING
@booshbear6 ай бұрын
I remember leveling up a metapod to the high 90s back in the day. I was determined to make it to 100
@Ammut66 ай бұрын
@@booshbearsomething bad
@MrRandall1716 ай бұрын
I always felt like Johto/Gen 2 was simply an EXTENSION of Gen 1, hence why we saw a lot of Gen 1 Pokémon in the gyms because they featured types that weren’t in the Gen 1 gyms. It wasn’t necessarily trying to be a brand new game with brand new Pokémon everywhere. That being said, I DO think ultimately it’s cooler to utilize more Johto Pokémon in the gyms like you’ve been doing in Crystal Legacy, and love the work you’ve been doing with it! 🙌
@XyrnaTheTrainer6 ай бұрын
Well, at the time they started working on GS, they were like "let's cash in on the hype while it lasts." Nobody knew at the time that pokemon would still be popular 25 years after its inception.
@naphackDT6 ай бұрын
Not really, rather early pokemon lore up till around mid-gen 2/start gen 3 was that the pokemon world was like the real world and new pokemon were simply recently discovered. Which is why Jasmine notes Steel types are a recent discovery and while a number of gen 2 pokemon can only be found in Kanto. (and why references to real world animals dropped off after gen 2 and Lt. Surge probably being a Vietnam war vet) Where as somewhere mid-gen 2/start of gen 3 pokemon became the animals of the pokemon world rather than newly discovered creatures. It was trying to be a brand new game with brand new pokemon everywhere, but in such a way it made sense with the, then, existing pokemon lore. Having a new region with a bunch of new pokemon and few old pokemon but that's closely related to the old region wouldn't make sense. For the same reason that a lot of animal species found in Germany are also commonly found in Poland.
@relo9993 ай бұрын
Bugsy just grinding away until his Metapod and Kakuna learn Shell Smash
@Triceratopping6 ай бұрын
That'd be funny if they could. If nothing nothing else than pure amusement
@matthewroberts1982 ай бұрын
Whats cool is that Caterpie and weedle learn bug bite around level 15 in newer gens
@qorv49736 ай бұрын
I guess Bugsy was a little too early for his research, but was onto something lol
@deoxysandmew21626 ай бұрын
Maybe it was Bugsy himself who discovered that, very cool to think about
@fructuous72426 ай бұрын
@@fructuous7242makes sense since he also created Fury Cutter
@matthewroberts1982 ай бұрын
Blue's Gen 2 team basically confirms that Red and Blue is more canon than Yellow. Just to add something in the Gen 1 and Gen 2 connection. In Red and Blue, in the house beside the Cerulean Gym, there is a an old couple. The old woman mentiones that her husband loves trading. Her husband wants a Poliwhirl in exchange for his Jynx and it is the only way to obtain Jynx in Gen 1 games. Meanwhile, in Yellow, in the same house, the old couple are removed and was replaced by the girl who gives you a Bulbasaur. However in Gold/Silver/Crystal, still in the same house beside the cerulean city gym, the old couple still lives there and the old woman will still mention that her husband loves trading. The house is also filled with Pokemon the old man got from trades. If the old couple in Red and Blue are still in Gold Silver Crystal. Maybe the girl in Yellow is non-canon. Furthermore, in Red and Blue, at the southern area of Cerulean City, a girl is having trouble because her Slowpoke wont obey her. However, by the time of GSC, the same girl is still there but her Slowbro which obviously evolved from a Slowpoke now obeys her. In Yellow, instead of a Slowpoke, she had an Electrode....well then.... In my opinion, Red and Blue is still more canon than Yellow.
@garchompelago6 ай бұрын
Damn!! This is huge
@smithplayspokemon6 ай бұрын
@@smithplayspokemonPikachu in Yellow hates being inside a Pokeball. In GSC, Red's Pikachu is inside a Pokeball. Also dont you find it weird that in Gen 1, no one owns a Pikachu and theres no Pikachu in the wild? Pikachu was never rare in Kanto.
@garchompelago6 ай бұрын
Here's something, Red's Pikachu probably isn't even a Pikachu he caught in Kanto, in GSC it has Charm, which you can only get by evolving a Pichu, this actually is kinda still the case in most other games (Including the remakes) where it has Volt Tackle (Red's Pikachu's moveset in HGSS is a direct reference to what Ash's Pikachu had back when HGSS was released, so I wouldn't 100% count on it :v)
@yagofazcoisaseuacho80356 ай бұрын
Why WOULDN'T Red and Blue be more canon to the rest of the games than Yellow??
@FrenkTheJoy6 ай бұрын
@@FrenkTheJoy People apparently assume that Yellow is canon bc the third versions is the ones that usually get referenced in later games... Except that in Gen 1's case, there's no actual references to Yellow in later games (afaik)
@yagofazcoisaseuacho80356 ай бұрын
For Shuckle - you can get it in several locations using Rock Smash.
@Firnen136 ай бұрын
You can catch Shuckles with rock smash by Olivine. I thought it was weird to include that as a fact in here
@zantac1806 ай бұрын
Bugsy saw you only had one badge, so decided not to go all out
@SamCouzens6 ай бұрын
Did You Know Gaming recently delved into the Ditto-Mew theory about a year ago and found that it actually had very little concrete evidence supporting it. Most evidence people gave to back it up was based on loose connections in the games which had more solid evidence supporting there not being a connection. Junichi Matsuda even confirmed in a 2012 interview with GameInformer that there was never meant to be a connection between the two, as that interview was the first time he’d ever heard of such an idea Edit: it’s actually really interesting that the theory is only really prevalent in western countries. It’s fascinating how communities grow far differently in different cultures
@demi_shin6 ай бұрын
I like to think that ditto was attempted to be used in the creation of Mewtwo before they found the mew fossil.
@scmontgomery6 ай бұрын
@@scmontgomery no
@OPGardevoir6 ай бұрын
Yeah came down to the comments to see if anyone else mentioned. I have to assume that the video author hadn't looked into the theory in a while since the debunk video is more recent.
@BlueInfinity226 ай бұрын
@@OPGardevoir Just no? Well okay whatever
@scmontgomery6 ай бұрын
@@scmontgomery there isn't anything to say when the literal developers deconfirmed the theory
@OPGardevoir6 ай бұрын
I'm not sure if it's the same character but in Diamond and Pearl there's an NPC that is also hiding away due to their fame and they give you Silver wing as a TM if you find their house.
@dianybethvazquez16526 ай бұрын
The Sinnoh games takes place practically at the same time as the Johto games (DP intro shows the player watching TV, a report about the red Gyarados rampaging at Lake Of Rage).
@ocoringadando6 ай бұрын
Girl had to move to a completely different region because nosy 10 year old won't leave her alone.
@danielquinlan24576 ай бұрын
Re: Cherrygrove's lake - it's actually accessible in Heart Gold / Soul Silver! Just from the north if you surf south onto the lake from Route 30. This part of the Lake is visible on Route 30 but blocked by trees in GSC. They placed a hidden nugget there to reward players like you who were always wondering about this mysterious location in Gen I, much like how searching for the Truck in Vermilion Harbor yields a Lava Cookie in FR/LG, an Iron in G/S/C/HG/SS, and a Revive (replenished daily) in LGP/LGE, as a little reward for player's who had always wondered about this mystery.
@MarandahirАй бұрын
That Fearow trainer at Mt Silver is 100% the champion that Lance beat before being steamrolled by perpetual 11 year olds.
@jamesr69596 ай бұрын
1:24 Bugsy was just holding back 😴😴
@tionaus6 ай бұрын
On the subject of Reds mount silver team, borrowing the other two starters is exactly how it's done in the manga. At that point in time, red didn't have a flyer on him so he had to use his rivals Charizard and he borrowed a Blastoise from the female trainer because of the healing water that was in the hot springs in mount silver. I am vague with the names of the rifle and the girl because they are swapped between the Japanese and English releases.
@MagusAgrippa86 ай бұрын
They are Blue and Green
@nicolefecht32995 ай бұрын
@@nicolefecht3299 Correct. And also Green and Blue. In Japan, the male rival is Green (because Red and Green were the first games) and the girl is Blue (the third game). Internationally, the male rival is Blue (because Red and Blue, both based on Japan's third game, were the titles released internationally) and the girl is called Green. It's a big mess that makes a few jokes in the Adventures manga, Origins, and probably other forms of media screwy. So yes, I am well aware of their names. I just didn't want people confused when I referred to them as Green (rival) and Blue (girl).
@MagusAgrippa85 ай бұрын
The Jasmine theories I can get behind & Kirk being robbed for his Snease is something I’ve always felt strong about. Also love the Crystal Legacy content. Can’t wait to try it out myself when I have the time & tolls. 🙌🏾
@PapaSmurfJuju6 ай бұрын
Would it be cool to add sprites next to Bugsy of Metapod and Kakuna in the Gym to show he is still doing his research even though they are no longer on his team
@StuartJandrell6 ай бұрын
I like this idea.
@Felix.Dragon.6 ай бұрын
Red is supposed to be a representation of every player of any Gen 1 game, not just Yellow. That's why it includes all the starters, Pikachu and the event/gift Pokémon of the Kanto storyline. Yellow was just an adaptation of R/G/B to be an anime tie-in, but it was still a Gen 1 game that people played, so Red has a Pikachu too.
@lusotuber6 ай бұрын
As far as I remember, the only trainer to use a Ditto in GSC is Scientist Mitch, in Mahogany Town's Rocket HQ. The only other location where we can find a big Team Rocket presence is Goldenrod City, which links both routes where Ditto can be found. To give this hypothesis a bit more strength, Drowzee - a pkmn native to thise 2 routes - is the only Pkmn that isn't a Poison type & isn't part of the Rattata line used by a Rocket Grunt in the HQ. Maybe it was taken there by the scientists who work for Team Rocket. Besides that, R34 is where the 1st functioning Daycare Centre can be found in Pokémon's history, so some may have fled their breeding prision.
@jgr74876 ай бұрын
Kind of a funny coincidence that route number, isn't it? I never noticed it before.
@machinedramon35322 ай бұрын
A few things to clear up here about encounters... - Shuckle can be found by using Rock Smash - Sneasel can be found in the Ice Path in crystal - The guy in Cianwood is more likely a collector than a serious trainer, so he likely purchased those pokemon or had someone find them for him - DItto could also be found east of Fuchsia city in RBY
@Masahane2 ай бұрын
In the manga Jasmine hides that her onix evolved by disguising it as one in its first appearance. Also in that same series, Blue catches all Pokémon he would use in the gym so that he can train another set to not be impossible to beat and to have a reason to train more Pokémon up to the same level as his old team to prove he’s better than Red in a rival friendly way as well as taking on apprentices in a way
@YoutubrYoutubr-ip1md6 ай бұрын
The devs were asked about this ditto/failed clone mew theory in an interview and said no, they'd never even heard the idea before. You can find wild Ditto in Hoenn in Emerald, which takes place the same year as the Kanto games, and possibly even before them, so the idea that they're only in the mansion at that point is incorrect. According to Shigeki Morimoto, he singlehandedly designed Mew and secretly squeezed it into the code during the final two weeks of production as an easter egg. It was originally going to be an offhand lore mention without even an official design or power set. Transform was probably added to its movepool only because it fit thematically and they couldn't code more moves in at that point. -Eona_Targaryen
@ianhabbie7201Ай бұрын
My headcanon is that every gym leader actually has a full team of strong Pokémon. But because the player is a new trainer, they use weaker Pokémon against you or tell them to go easy on you to make it fair. Like, if you're a kid born in Fuchsia City, Koga or Janine won't use a level 36 Crobat, but a level 10 Zubat or Spinarak for your first badge, and Brock will use a level 36 Golem and 4 other Pokémon.
@NinaFelwitch5 ай бұрын
I have always thought it wouldve been a cool feature if pokemon evolved 5 levels early at the lake of rage, up until you turn off the signal at least, but how cool would that be to have your starter randomly evolve at level 31 or whatever?
@gillriet7736 ай бұрын
Gotta love when the very first sentence is wrong. Bugsy has 3 unevolved Pokémon.
@doopness7859 күн бұрын
Here’s a theory for ya: Lance got his dragons from team Rocket. - The elite four and some gym leaders were supposed to be evil or linked to team Rocket in gen 1. - People like team Rocket used wild to tame and force pokemon to fight, Lance is also known as the dragon tamer. - Team rocket also sold Dratini via the casino, so it is possible that Lance provided those. (I don’t know about the Safari zone). - And lastly, as a stretch, team rocket experiments with prematurely evolving pokemon. This might give a reason how Lance got early Dragonites. (Wild pokemon can often be caught in the wild with lower levels. It’s my headcanon some trainers may have found some too)
@cecillewolters19956 ай бұрын
This is an awesome video! Thanks for making it! :)
@christiankrenek76896 ай бұрын
The thing about Ditto being a failed Mew Clone is actually just a fan theory and isn't actually real. Satoshi Tajiri was asked about Ditto being considered a failed Mew in an interview a long time, and he was genuinely shocked as he had no idea that people thought that is what was going on with Ditto. He had never even heard of that theory/rumor before it was brought up in that interview. And guaranteed that is not where Ditto came from, and that it is entirely it's own unique pokemon. So sadly anything about Mew being related to Ditto is little more than head cannon at best, unless he goes back on that interview at some point and says it really was. Still a fun idea to mess around with though haha
@Selet1016 ай бұрын
I'm new to this channel and loving everything from it! Not only playing the hack ROM but all the content ! Congratulations for everything!
@hique59176 ай бұрын
Bro wait you have a Pokémon channel too? Used to watch your zombies videos all the time, good to see you expanding brother.
@McGoofy10016 ай бұрын
Welcome bb
@smithplayspokemon6 ай бұрын
I’m binging your gen 2 content. I just can’t enough of gen 2. The nostalgia really hits different with it.
@davion47772 ай бұрын
For the Shuckle guy, he could have been given a baby Sneasel from someone who went to Mt. Silver and bred the one they caught. For the Fly girl, she is famous because she can teach fly. So obviously she just flew into that normally inaccessible area. You can't fly to places you haven't been, but that's why she's the master. I've always gone with the theory that Red gets the other starters from Blue/Oak, since yellow was supposed to be more of an anime adaptation. Him having Pikachu would just be because it's the mascot. Snorlax is a scripted fight, which makes it fitting to have (and as an excuse to not have two for you in a post game setting). Eevee is a scripted gift, so that kind of fits, and making it Espeon is likely just from it finally evolving on Mt. Silver. Maybe he didn't have any stones, and it just evolved when starting his training. For the Ditto, Red probably brought one over, since he would have had every pokemon. Then while traveling through Johto, hit up the daycare to see if he could level it up a bit. Eggs started to show up as a new thing. He may have left the Ditto there after realizing it doesn't do anything outside of transform, so it had time to populate the surrounding area.
@UltimateMustacheX6 ай бұрын
The anime really did a good job with Bugsy's Metapod in that he trained it during this stage to combine all its moves to make itself a wrecking ball.
11 күн бұрын
Bro these were good, you should also do separate videos for all 12 of these theories! I’d be keen to watch!
@SMABackup6 ай бұрын
love your commitment to make gen.2 even greater
@silverhetch33836 ай бұрын
Great video, interesting obscure theories in gen 2 for sure, anyways, keep it up!
@williamfrieden16 ай бұрын
"Very real theories" is an oxymoron outside the scientific community
@thekiss20832 ай бұрын
Gen 2 has been the one gen were Pokemon really reached its peak. It's always been a headscratcher for me why Blue's team is mostly based on his team on Red and Blue while Red's team is one you can easily assemble in Yellow (minus the Espeon) without trading since you get Pikachu as your starter, you can catch one of the two Snorlax, get the Eevee at Celadon Mansion, and of course, get all three of the OG Starters. If anything, they should have kept it consistent by basing Blue's team after what he has in Yellow (while he doesn't need the Eeveelution, at least he can have Sandslash, Magneton, Cloyster and Ninetales with his Alakazam and Exeggutor). With an Eeveelution, he could have Umbreon while replacing either Sandslash or Alakazam, because it would make sense since Red has Espeon, least in the original GSC, and it would be fitting to their personalities, with Red choosing the light and Blue choosing the Dark. On that matter, I don't know why since Gen IV and onward they decided to replace Red's Espeon with Lapras as it makes his team less diverse since he already has a Water-type with Blastoise.
@dracorex68766 ай бұрын
Love the videos Patrick! Also your rom hack is a lot of fun 🤩
@Thepokenerdoriginal6 ай бұрын
People have to get over the ditto clone theory
@gandolf5356 ай бұрын
3:36 This was actually said in leaked documents. The game devs gave trainers fully evolved Pokémon to trainers to give a higher difficulty. A similar thing happened in gen 4
@andrewwojtas84866 ай бұрын
gosh, i love these kinds of videos!!!!
@JordyyPlayz6 ай бұрын
The manga has its own explanation for Red's team. He's borrowing Blue and Green's starters.
@michaelcarlton14846 ай бұрын
"Blue is just a great trainer and caught many different Pokemon." That is probably the case. I think people theorized that the tops of the "legos" in Blue's gym are actually Pokeballs containing Pokemon.
@Mrperson06 ай бұрын
Crazy theory, the fly/steel wing girl is kahili of the eventual alola elite 4. She’s a flying type specialist who uses both skarmory and Crobat in her first appearance, and is said to be a famous professional golfer
@person38486 ай бұрын
There’s actually another woman in Mt. Silver. An old woman in the Pokémon center. I’ve heard lore about her that she’s a previous champion
@ThatNinjaGuy6 ай бұрын
See, people always cite the "yellow is the canonical geni game" like it's fact, but it's always bugged me; if that were the case, why does Green use Pidgeot, Gyarados, Arcanine, Rhydon instead of ever using Cloyster, Ninetails, Fearow, Sandslash, or any eevee in any game after Yellow? The only real evidence is that Red has all the starters and a high level pikachu, but there's absolutely no reason he couldn't have just caught pikachu and traded the starters. Maybe he has Green's starter. Maybe he traded from any of the numerous trainers in Kanto that have a member of a Kanto starter line. They're rare to the player, but they're clearly *not* overly rare in-universe. Mostly, I suppose, it seems silly to me to suggest the game intended as a recursive anime adaption would be canon over the original games, when GF has gone to lengths elsewise to establish Red as a totally separate character from Ash.
@oakgreenoak6 ай бұрын
Fun fact: The theory that Red borrowed the two other starters was actually used in Pokemon Adventures, when Red needed to go to Mt. Silver for the healing hot spring to cure his frostbites inflicted by Lorelei during the Elite Four arc. He borrowed Charizard from Blue, and Blastoise from Green.
@nguyenanh72913 ай бұрын
Nice job on the gen 2 content lately 😎
@BryceRogers_6 ай бұрын
Hah, somethings to think about. Fun! Well done!
@KeViNMCMXXCIX13 күн бұрын
From the first series of the game, we had the knowledge that Metadpod and Kakuna could evolve, but Scyther in the first series didn't have evolution, so I think that the dialogue and Bugsy pokemon were meant to show players that any of his pokemon can evolve and that was a hint that somehow it is possible to evolve Scyther (there used to be no bulbapedia etc)
@Daniel.Daniel3142 ай бұрын
I love your content brother!
@santii93056 ай бұрын
4:10 theory actually might have some merit as his Dragonite in gen 1 has an illegal move too in barrier
@toadftm6 ай бұрын
I like to think the woman who gives you Fly and Steel Wing is actually the Flying Type Elite 4 member of the Alola League. She's got to be strong enough to be recognized as able to go to Mount Silver, and she's clearly got a connection to flying types. Plus, she's a celebrity, as she's a famous golfer, so she could be on vacation, or just trying to have a quiet life.
@CogsworthHPalmer5 ай бұрын
In Pokemon Red, Blue and Yellow Pallet Town has a vast grassy patch in the left and right side of town and as a kid I am also curious about what kinds of Pokemon you can catch in that area
@neilbryanbucsit1976 ай бұрын
Hey there, big fan of your videos of Crystal Legacy. As my 1st mon game it also has a special place in my heart! I love what you have done with the Gym leaders teams and the movepools! Some suggestions are to expand the Pokedex with the evolutions introduced later. I know you buffed certain pokemon since they had awful stats, but their evolutions fix a lot of these issues. For example: Magnezone Sirfetch'd & Overqwil (I know is Galarian and Hisuan, but that was just an excuse of why its evolution was not present before) Tangrowth Electivire Magmortar Leafeon Glaceon (for these 2 guys maybe new Kimono girls) Porygon-Z Munchlax, Bonsly, Mantyke (why not? This is very fitting as it is the gen of baby mons) Togekiss Ambipom Yanmega Honchkrow Mismagius (not that may ghost so makes sense to introduce her) Farigiraf Dudunsparce Weavile Mamoswine Create a baby mon of Skarmory Wyrdeer I know you are looking for ideas on Rematch Elite 4: 1. You could bring back Lorelai. 2. How about you introduce Fairy typing into Elite 4 with a new character passing by region? You could explain that their Normal types are Fairy because of regional variants. 3. I would also like to point out that Elite 4 has never had a Normal, Grass or Electric specialist. Additional suggestions: Ampharos could be made a Dragon type like its mega since there are not many in this gen Unknown should also know Psychic
@jamess65496 ай бұрын
Massively overthinking the Bugsy one. It's canon that gym leaders will use weaker/stronger teams depending on how many badges a trainer has. It's simply a way for Bugsy to have a team that matches the expected strength of an average trainer who has picked up a badge already
@ayoutubechannel71435 ай бұрын
Red lives on Mt Silver in Gen 2, the Celebrity he first met in Gen 1 now lives on Mt Silver in Gen 2. _Perhaps_ they're a couple and living together on Mt Silver?
@Telemachus281410 күн бұрын
Jasmine catches 2 Magnemite and gets a Metal coat, meanwhile I catch over 250 Magnemite in Crystal Legacy and still didn’t catch one until I trained a Furret up with thief.
@pjanderson48766 ай бұрын
I think Lance’s level disparity is actually just him going easy on you, so his Pokémon appear to be lower level than they are truly
@slurpinpuffs5 ай бұрын
I've been suspicious for a while, but the way you said "borrow" at 7:04 is screaming Canadian.
@jraymond1988Ай бұрын
Good work, I didn't have heard of these before. There's that video about Blue in Red & Blue veing cheater, because he couldn't have caught so many pokémon when you meet him on SS. Anne, but then again, there's Silver with a sneasel only found on the mountain sharing a name with him. Maybe the rivals do trading?
@nousukas6 ай бұрын
To be fair, Shuckle can be found in breakable rocks too. But yeah, no one said what the Pokémon was that the rival stole. It probably wasn't a shuckle if the guy had another one.
@Alienldr6 ай бұрын
Another theory with Jasmine is that because a magneton is just 3 magnamites stuck together, she just has the two and hasn’t caught a third yet.
@GoonTune973 ай бұрын
7:18 this is the explanation that the Manga gives. He temporarily trades some of his pokemon for the other starters to help him get to the top of mt. Silver.
@intergalactic926 ай бұрын
I think Ditto are on route 34 because that's where the daycare is, trainers bring a Ditto to the daycare to breed their pokemon then release it after
@maleprincess55596 ай бұрын
Regarding the "Red is from Yellow theory", I kinda think that if he actually was from Yellow version, his name wouldn't have been "Red", it would've been "Yellow". "Red" is the first of the three default names from Red Version (duh), whereas in Yellow Version, is replaced by "Yellow" (again duh). Likewise, the Gen 1 rival gets his official name from the first of the three default rival names in Red Version, which is either Green in the Japanese version, or Blue in the international versions, but in Yellow Version, his default name is just Blue, even in the Japanese version. Also, while Yellow is the only version where you can obtain all three Kanto Starters without trading, Red just could've traded for them. He wouldn't have even needed to specifically obtain then from Blue and/or Professor Oak. He could've just traded with one of the many NPCs who used them in Gen 1. Not like they were rare back then.
@danielquinlan24576 ай бұрын
I doubt it wouldn't still be Red.
@EWOODJ6 ай бұрын
Dang this is also a really good point
@smithplayspokemon6 ай бұрын
Regarding the Celebrity at Mt. Silver: It's possible that the reason she is a celebrity is because she acquired all 8 Kanto Gym badges.
@CalypsoRaven6182 ай бұрын
Gen 2 was the best of all pokemon. Being able to go to gen 1 area was amazing. Huge game
@Maiwa-wk9yh4 ай бұрын
Is the path from Goldenrod to Whirl Islands a genuine scrapped idea? If it is I’d absolutely love to see it come back in Crystal Legacy
@romantorchic9716 ай бұрын
Going on the Yellow theory, I like to believe that Blue retired his Champion team when he became a Gym Leader and trained up his Gym team/Red and Blue team from scratch because he needs to be somewhat beatable as a Gym Leader.
@Nightlingbolt2 ай бұрын
Shuckle is available through rock smash north of Cianwood as well.
@WarcowUshi6 ай бұрын
Woah, Bugsy studying unevolved Pokemon’s level training increase to prove the existence of Scizor before ‘Scizor’ itself was known, knew for this gen - and it would change the world to prove whether or not evolutions of Pokemon exist even before their discovery. Like what we did with Eviolite Dipplin.
@RowanTS2 ай бұрын
Technically Blue does collect almost all Pokemon in gen 1 based on his conversations, so he probably can be extrapolated them all minus the legendaries. His yellow team is disbalanced by trying to directly counter Red's main, pikachu, with Sandslash, but for his gym he just goes for what he sees as the strongest option.
@Crossil5 ай бұрын
You can fuckle with Shuckle if you Rock Smash
@sillyhellhound87976 ай бұрын
We already know why Jasmine keeps her magnemites unevolved... Magneton can't be that easy to sit on compared to magnemites
@Slashser2 ай бұрын
YOOOOO THAT CHERRYGROVE CITY WATER SPOT BUGGED ME SINCE MY CHILDHOOD TOO. You're a king. I came here expecting nothing, then I got gold, I mean... Crystal.
@KotaDeLaSkytoss2 ай бұрын
That Ditto theory doesn't hold up to snuff when you consider that Ditto and Mew actually use different color palettes for their sprites in every game they appear in. Ditto was also not originally found in Cinnabar Mansion until Yellow onwards (instead appearing on Routes 13, 14, 15, and 23 in RBG plus Cerulean Cave always). I do have my own theory as to where they came from that ties into why Scyther, Pinsir, Tauros, the Exeggcute line, and the Dratini line were Pokemon can't be found in Kanto in Gen II: they were always native to Johto and were brought into Kanto for the Safari Zone - or for Ditto to Cinnabar Mansion the experiments in Yellow - in Gen I. When the Safari Zone closed in Gen II, they migrated back to their home region. Ditto might also be native to Cerulean Cave as the species can be found there in every game where it isn't caved in. Related to that theory, the locations where Chansey, the Rhyhorn line, and Kangaskhan can be found in Kanto in Gen II/IV are the natural habitats of their species that they were displaced from for the Safari Zone. Some Chansey and Rhyhorn took shelter in the Cerulean Cave during Gen I; but even when the cave is intact in Gen IV Kanto, they still leave once the Safari Zone is closed.
@michaelmario2993 ай бұрын
4:40 Shuckle can be found in a couple of locations including Cianwood by using rock smash on the boulders lying around.
@Mattias_the_unimpressive6 ай бұрын
"Although he may be a bad gym leader, it's possible Bugsy isn't stupid" I'm cackling, you didn't have to go in on Bugsy like that ahahahahaha
@MG-mn7ig6 ай бұрын
"Both her bribes are solid flying type moves." Ah, yes. My favorite flying type move. Steel Wing.
@IzzyReal6 ай бұрын
Shut the hell up🤣❤️
@smithplayspokemon6 ай бұрын
#8 It can't be. The NPCs are from Red, Green and Blue, not Yellow, such as Dontae, the guy who trades you a Jynx in RGB, rather than Melanie, who gives you Bulbasaur, and the trainer in Cerulean having a Slowbro, as it was in RGB, rather than an Electrode, as in Yellow. So the world itself suggests RGB as the story that GSC follow, not Yellow.
@KingofStrawberries6 ай бұрын
About the boy in Cianwood, I have mentioned this theory of the rival possibly stealing Sneasel on an app called amino over 7 years ago.
@thorniverse3 ай бұрын
Girl has fly. Goes to area you can easily reach from the sky. "OMG HOW DID SHE GET THERE!?!?"
On Ditto, I always assumed it was because of the Daycare. Trainers bred with Ditto, leading to a population of wild ones in the surrounding area.
Trainers bred with dittos?
@@muhammadsyafiq8882 Its more of an out of universe thing. If you breed a lot of competitive pokemon like I used to a 6IV ditto is by far the most important tool to have around. That said, it doesn't explain why there would be wild dittos near the daycare rather than near every place with a PC.
@@Toast_94You finally get the thing you wanted from breeding, so you throw the breeding tool out on the spot
@@1stCallipostle Any breeder worth their salt wouldn't toss out a 6IV ditto after breeding just their team; there are always friends that want strong pokes with egg moves that may not have the tools (or the patience) to make the pokemon they want themselves. Plus it's not easy to get such a ditto in the first place.
@@muhammadsyafiq8882it's okay man, I got it, made me chuckle
There was once a theory that after Red caught the first Snorlax, Lieutenant Surge used the second one to block the entrance of Diglett’s Cave to prevent Trainers from catching Diglett for his gym battle.
Lol
So much trouble. He should learn from Falkner who's angry that people claim birds are easily defeated by clipping their wings with a jolt of lightning: first in Gold/Silver he fools a kid into guarding the road as a "rite of passage" forbidding anyone to pass, then later in Crystal Falkner commits genocide on all the Mareep just to be really sure.
@@_Vengeance_ a bunch of innocent mareep hide in a cabbage cart for camouflage, Falkner paints an arrow on his head and blows the cart off a cliff
@@_Vengeance_ IDKY but the last part of that made me laugh.
@@darlhiatt8136MY CABBAGES
Lance can early-evolve Dragonair and teach Dragonite Barrier/Aerodactyl Rock Slide because he's part of an ancient Dragon using clan. He knows secrets about Dragon pokemon the player doesn't. That's why they have to give you a Dratini with Extremespeed and you can't teach it yourself. They know how to teach Dragons moves that you can't.
I fuck with this
Probably an ancient form of chain-breeding. I love for chain-breeding to become canon in a way like this!
Alternatively they already have acces to TM80, wich the player just isn't able to find in this region.
So basically just like lance, his clan is cheater or hackers as well?
Love this
Shuckle can be obtained besides the one that you are given. It's found in Rock Smash rocks, being a 10% encounter in a obscure method to begin with, so it's okay to think that, just like some people thought Skarmory and Slugma were gen 3.
That’s how I actually found Shuckle for the first time. I learned about the gift one much later
Was gonna make the same comment
I always forget that skarmory is gen 2 lol, ruby and omega ruby trained my brain to think it's gen 3
wow can't believe i did not know this!!
I'm genuinely surprised people didn't know this. What I thought he meant in the video is that Shuckle was removed from Crystal even though it's still in Gold and Silver.
Lake of Rage causing early evolution but lowering happiness is my head canon
Now that I think about it, the person who gives you the ticket for the magnet train was the copycat, the perfect person to add dittos to a new region
Mistery solved!
If you read the Pokémon adventures manga, it gives reasoning to why red has the three starters as well as why he’s on mount silver in the first place. Yes he did borrow them. Also, in the manga, red’s eevee was a victim of team rocket’s experiment and due to unstable genetics, could go between its stone evolutions at will. That is until it became an espeon while under red’s care, stabilizing it
That has nothing to do with the games though.
@@EWOODJ true, but the manga was written to coincide with the games. So plot details it gives, while not explicitly cannon, can fill gaps. Like, in the manga cannon, Blaine was one of the scientists who created mewtwo. Not explicitly stated in the games, but sure makes a lot of sense given what you find in the cinnabar mansion, which is next door to the gym and contains the key to his gym
@@edwardnowakowski5990 Except the games outright contradict a lot of the manga, so it's stupid to use the manga to fill in plot games of the games.
@@FrenkTheJoy so let me get this straight… on a video about 12 obscure theories, a territory that’s clearly for fun speculation, your first instinct when someone brings up licensed side content is to shut down the conversation? I’m guessing you’re the kind of person who got pissed when matpat started using the FNaF books to supplement his game theories Yes, the games have no mention of green, blastoise can’t be used to fly between cities, no Arboks in game actually get cut in half, geovanni doesn’t actually get a redemption arc until the spiky eared pichu event in HG/SS. But it’s all in good fun to speculate
@@edwardnowakowski5990He is right, though. The canon source for the franchise are the games. Pokémon Origins, the manga... they all take place in an alternative universe.
Just had an idea for a potential answer for the girl that gives you fly/steel wing... What if she's the pro golfer from alola that ends up becoming an elite four member? It would make sense that she'd want to have a getaway that's out of alola so she'd be less likely to get recognized. And given she's strong enough to eventually end up an elite four member, she would surely be strong enough to get the go ahead to make a retreat on Mt silver.
Even cooler, if I remember right, you find out Kahili is a former Alolan champion (in their traditional sense of completing all trials then fighting the other kids of her "class" if you will) and then she says in her intro that she was asked to come home when they opened the League. Considering Kukui is trying to get some world recognition for Alola as an official League, it would make sense to get some celebrity endorsement and Kahili is intrigued because she's strong enough she hasn't faced many real challenges lately. I am liking this theory she's been in Kanto now 😂 (And it fits that even if she's been off the radar, Kukui also says he recently had been in Kanto where he lost the League challenge to Lance but maybe he accidentally found Kahili and invited her in person?)
Lance‘s Dragonite in RB (and japanese Red & Green) also knew Barrier which was illegal so he‘s 100% a hacker
I recently learned this from another KZheadr who does similar videos: that unreachable water in the northeast part of Cherrygrove was made reachable in HGSS by changing the layout of Route 30 to allow you to surf down to it. However, because they weren't able to implement having multiple encounter tables of the same type on the same map until Generation VII, the portion of that pond that is in Cherrygrove has ocean encounters to match the ocean on the western part of the map, even though the portion that's on Route 30 has pond encounters.
For the celebrity, I'd like to think it was Red who allowed her on Mt. Silver because he felt bad for ruining her hiding spot
Riddle me this, whos gonna hear from Red where she lives?
@@goalsaviormaybe he told Oak or his mom where he got FLY from
4:40 Maybe they intended the Cianwood Shuckle to be the only one, but it's not the only Shuckle in the game. While rare, you can catch Shuckle via the Rock Smash rocks as all Rock Smash rocks have a chance of being a Shuckle. Though, since it is rare, it would support the theory of that trainer being a collector of rare Pokemon.
I remember once hearing that the celebrity was actually legendary Japanese actress Setsuko Hara, who is best known for her role in Ozu’s Tokyo Story. She became a recluse for a long time, and I think there’s something extremely beautiful about suddenly finding her at the end of this journey.
you must be a mega weeb to know this info.
@@H410M45T3R I mean, Ozu is one of the most acclaimed filmmakers in all of cinema, and she was the star of his most famous movie.
(It’s also worth noting that Satoshi Kon’s Millennium Actress, which is explicitly about Hara’s life and seclusion, was released in Japan around the same time as Gold & Silver)
@@cookierill who asked?
@@H410M45T3R …People who might want to know more about an anime feature they very likely already love?
I support the idea of traveling into the sea from Goldenrod. Restoring lost concepts from beta is wonderful
You can do this in Liquid Crystal. They made a lot of changes to the map in that hack, adding new areas and making things accessible from different places
@@jerryjb currently playing that one. Its great how they opened up the ocean parts more added all the extra areas
Well, in terms of Red borrowing Charizard, in the Adventures Manga, it was actually confirmed to be the case, as Blue Loans Red his Charizard to help him get to a specific area in Mt Silver. The same can somewhat be said for Green when she loans Red her Blastoise.
The espeon is the eevee that could turn into any of the 3 original eeveelutions until it evolved into espeon
@@bluecomet8416 which, in terms of story, was a way to move on from it's trauma under Team Rockets experimentation
Good to know!
I'm guessing Jasmine's Rock-type team included Onix (later a Steelix), Corsola (found in Olivine's waters), Shuckle (found across the Water routes), and Sudowoodo (found not too far inland). She would have been an interesting parallel to Blaine, another Gym leader whose specialty seemingly clashes with the local ocean's Water types.
it wouldn’t be Farfetch’d to assume the celebrity just flew to Mt. Silver with her Fearow
Bugsy's metapod is the ONLY metapod (maybe cocoon pokemon in general) in the anime to actually fight back. It knocked out Ash's chikorita and put up a fight against pikachu. For that i will forever advocate putting it back in legacy crystal !!!
With a solid moveset, it could be cool.
Not with that shit moveset it won’t. Hell, making it anything under like lv40 won’t even make it a challenge.
@@generalsynnacle23 max attack stat (nature, ivs, evs) and it only knowing tackle + holding pink bow, it would at least do SOMETHING
I remember leveling up a metapod to the high 90s back in the day. I was determined to make it to 100
@@booshbearsomething bad
I always felt like Johto/Gen 2 was simply an EXTENSION of Gen 1, hence why we saw a lot of Gen 1 Pokémon in the gyms because they featured types that weren’t in the Gen 1 gyms. It wasn’t necessarily trying to be a brand new game with brand new Pokémon everywhere. That being said, I DO think ultimately it’s cooler to utilize more Johto Pokémon in the gyms like you’ve been doing in Crystal Legacy, and love the work you’ve been doing with it! 🙌
Well, at the time they started working on GS, they were like "let's cash in on the hype while it lasts." Nobody knew at the time that pokemon would still be popular 25 years after its inception.
Not really, rather early pokemon lore up till around mid-gen 2/start gen 3 was that the pokemon world was like the real world and new pokemon were simply recently discovered. Which is why Jasmine notes Steel types are a recent discovery and while a number of gen 2 pokemon can only be found in Kanto. (and why references to real world animals dropped off after gen 2 and Lt. Surge probably being a Vietnam war vet) Where as somewhere mid-gen 2/start of gen 3 pokemon became the animals of the pokemon world rather than newly discovered creatures. It was trying to be a brand new game with brand new pokemon everywhere, but in such a way it made sense with the, then, existing pokemon lore. Having a new region with a bunch of new pokemon and few old pokemon but that's closely related to the old region wouldn't make sense. For the same reason that a lot of animal species found in Germany are also commonly found in Poland.
Bugsy just grinding away until his Metapod and Kakuna learn Shell Smash
That'd be funny if they could. If nothing nothing else than pure amusement
Whats cool is that Caterpie and weedle learn bug bite around level 15 in newer gens
I guess Bugsy was a little too early for his research, but was onto something lol
Maybe it was Bugsy himself who discovered that, very cool to think about
@@fructuous7242makes sense since he also created Fury Cutter
Blue's Gen 2 team basically confirms that Red and Blue is more canon than Yellow. Just to add something in the Gen 1 and Gen 2 connection. In Red and Blue, in the house beside the Cerulean Gym, there is a an old couple. The old woman mentiones that her husband loves trading. Her husband wants a Poliwhirl in exchange for his Jynx and it is the only way to obtain Jynx in Gen 1 games. Meanwhile, in Yellow, in the same house, the old couple are removed and was replaced by the girl who gives you a Bulbasaur. However in Gold/Silver/Crystal, still in the same house beside the cerulean city gym, the old couple still lives there and the old woman will still mention that her husband loves trading. The house is also filled with Pokemon the old man got from trades. If the old couple in Red and Blue are still in Gold Silver Crystal. Maybe the girl in Yellow is non-canon. Furthermore, in Red and Blue, at the southern area of Cerulean City, a girl is having trouble because her Slowpoke wont obey her. However, by the time of GSC, the same girl is still there but her Slowbro which obviously evolved from a Slowpoke now obeys her. In Yellow, instead of a Slowpoke, she had an Electrode....well then.... In my opinion, Red and Blue is still more canon than Yellow.
Damn!! This is huge
@@smithplayspokemonPikachu in Yellow hates being inside a Pokeball. In GSC, Red's Pikachu is inside a Pokeball. Also dont you find it weird that in Gen 1, no one owns a Pikachu and theres no Pikachu in the wild? Pikachu was never rare in Kanto.
Here's something, Red's Pikachu probably isn't even a Pikachu he caught in Kanto, in GSC it has Charm, which you can only get by evolving a Pichu, this actually is kinda still the case in most other games (Including the remakes) where it has Volt Tackle (Red's Pikachu's moveset in HGSS is a direct reference to what Ash's Pikachu had back when HGSS was released, so I wouldn't 100% count on it :v)
Why WOULDN'T Red and Blue be more canon to the rest of the games than Yellow??
@@FrenkTheJoy People apparently assume that Yellow is canon bc the third versions is the ones that usually get referenced in later games... Except that in Gen 1's case, there's no actual references to Yellow in later games (afaik)
For Shuckle - you can get it in several locations using Rock Smash.
You can catch Shuckles with rock smash by Olivine. I thought it was weird to include that as a fact in here
Bugsy saw you only had one badge, so decided not to go all out
Did You Know Gaming recently delved into the Ditto-Mew theory about a year ago and found that it actually had very little concrete evidence supporting it. Most evidence people gave to back it up was based on loose connections in the games which had more solid evidence supporting there not being a connection. Junichi Matsuda even confirmed in a 2012 interview with GameInformer that there was never meant to be a connection between the two, as that interview was the first time he’d ever heard of such an idea Edit: it’s actually really interesting that the theory is only really prevalent in western countries. It’s fascinating how communities grow far differently in different cultures
I like to think that ditto was attempted to be used in the creation of Mewtwo before they found the mew fossil.
@@scmontgomery no
Yeah came down to the comments to see if anyone else mentioned. I have to assume that the video author hadn't looked into the theory in a while since the debunk video is more recent.
@@OPGardevoir Just no? Well okay whatever
@@scmontgomery there isn't anything to say when the literal developers deconfirmed the theory
I'm not sure if it's the same character but in Diamond and Pearl there's an NPC that is also hiding away due to their fame and they give you Silver wing as a TM if you find their house.
The Sinnoh games takes place practically at the same time as the Johto games (DP intro shows the player watching TV, a report about the red Gyarados rampaging at Lake Of Rage).
Girl had to move to a completely different region because nosy 10 year old won't leave her alone.
Re: Cherrygrove's lake - it's actually accessible in Heart Gold / Soul Silver! Just from the north if you surf south onto the lake from Route 30. This part of the Lake is visible on Route 30 but blocked by trees in GSC. They placed a hidden nugget there to reward players like you who were always wondering about this mysterious location in Gen I, much like how searching for the Truck in Vermilion Harbor yields a Lava Cookie in FR/LG, an Iron in G/S/C/HG/SS, and a Revive (replenished daily) in LGP/LGE, as a little reward for player's who had always wondered about this mystery.
That Fearow trainer at Mt Silver is 100% the champion that Lance beat before being steamrolled by perpetual 11 year olds.
1:24 Bugsy was just holding back 😴😴
On the subject of Reds mount silver team, borrowing the other two starters is exactly how it's done in the manga. At that point in time, red didn't have a flyer on him so he had to use his rivals Charizard and he borrowed a Blastoise from the female trainer because of the healing water that was in the hot springs in mount silver. I am vague with the names of the rifle and the girl because they are swapped between the Japanese and English releases.
They are Blue and Green
@@nicolefecht3299 Correct. And also Green and Blue. In Japan, the male rival is Green (because Red and Green were the first games) and the girl is Blue (the third game). Internationally, the male rival is Blue (because Red and Blue, both based on Japan's third game, were the titles released internationally) and the girl is called Green. It's a big mess that makes a few jokes in the Adventures manga, Origins, and probably other forms of media screwy. So yes, I am well aware of their names. I just didn't want people confused when I referred to them as Green (rival) and Blue (girl).
The Jasmine theories I can get behind & Kirk being robbed for his Snease is something I’ve always felt strong about. Also love the Crystal Legacy content. Can’t wait to try it out myself when I have the time & tolls. 🙌🏾
Would it be cool to add sprites next to Bugsy of Metapod and Kakuna in the Gym to show he is still doing his research even though they are no longer on his team
I like this idea.
Red is supposed to be a representation of every player of any Gen 1 game, not just Yellow. That's why it includes all the starters, Pikachu and the event/gift Pokémon of the Kanto storyline. Yellow was just an adaptation of R/G/B to be an anime tie-in, but it was still a Gen 1 game that people played, so Red has a Pikachu too.
As far as I remember, the only trainer to use a Ditto in GSC is Scientist Mitch, in Mahogany Town's Rocket HQ. The only other location where we can find a big Team Rocket presence is Goldenrod City, which links both routes where Ditto can be found. To give this hypothesis a bit more strength, Drowzee - a pkmn native to thise 2 routes - is the only Pkmn that isn't a Poison type & isn't part of the Rattata line used by a Rocket Grunt in the HQ. Maybe it was taken there by the scientists who work for Team Rocket. Besides that, R34 is where the 1st functioning Daycare Centre can be found in Pokémon's history, so some may have fled their breeding prision.
Kind of a funny coincidence that route number, isn't it? I never noticed it before.
A few things to clear up here about encounters... - Shuckle can be found by using Rock Smash - Sneasel can be found in the Ice Path in crystal - The guy in Cianwood is more likely a collector than a serious trainer, so he likely purchased those pokemon or had someone find them for him - DItto could also be found east of Fuchsia city in RBY
In the manga Jasmine hides that her onix evolved by disguising it as one in its first appearance. Also in that same series, Blue catches all Pokémon he would use in the gym so that he can train another set to not be impossible to beat and to have a reason to train more Pokémon up to the same level as his old team to prove he’s better than Red in a rival friendly way as well as taking on apprentices in a way
The devs were asked about this ditto/failed clone mew theory in an interview and said no, they'd never even heard the idea before. You can find wild Ditto in Hoenn in Emerald, which takes place the same year as the Kanto games, and possibly even before them, so the idea that they're only in the mansion at that point is incorrect. According to Shigeki Morimoto, he singlehandedly designed Mew and secretly squeezed it into the code during the final two weeks of production as an easter egg. It was originally going to be an offhand lore mention without even an official design or power set. Transform was probably added to its movepool only because it fit thematically and they couldn't code more moves in at that point. -Eona_Targaryen
My headcanon is that every gym leader actually has a full team of strong Pokémon. But because the player is a new trainer, they use weaker Pokémon against you or tell them to go easy on you to make it fair. Like, if you're a kid born in Fuchsia City, Koga or Janine won't use a level 36 Crobat, but a level 10 Zubat or Spinarak for your first badge, and Brock will use a level 36 Golem and 4 other Pokémon.
I have always thought it wouldve been a cool feature if pokemon evolved 5 levels early at the lake of rage, up until you turn off the signal at least, but how cool would that be to have your starter randomly evolve at level 31 or whatever?
Gotta love when the very first sentence is wrong. Bugsy has 3 unevolved Pokémon.
Here’s a theory for ya: Lance got his dragons from team Rocket. - The elite four and some gym leaders were supposed to be evil or linked to team Rocket in gen 1. - People like team Rocket used wild to tame and force pokemon to fight, Lance is also known as the dragon tamer. - Team rocket also sold Dratini via the casino, so it is possible that Lance provided those. (I don’t know about the Safari zone). - And lastly, as a stretch, team rocket experiments with prematurely evolving pokemon. This might give a reason how Lance got early Dragonites. (Wild pokemon can often be caught in the wild with lower levels. It’s my headcanon some trainers may have found some too)
This is an awesome video! Thanks for making it! :)
The thing about Ditto being a failed Mew Clone is actually just a fan theory and isn't actually real. Satoshi Tajiri was asked about Ditto being considered a failed Mew in an interview a long time, and he was genuinely shocked as he had no idea that people thought that is what was going on with Ditto. He had never even heard of that theory/rumor before it was brought up in that interview. And guaranteed that is not where Ditto came from, and that it is entirely it's own unique pokemon. So sadly anything about Mew being related to Ditto is little more than head cannon at best, unless he goes back on that interview at some point and says it really was. Still a fun idea to mess around with though haha
I'm new to this channel and loving everything from it! Not only playing the hack ROM but all the content ! Congratulations for everything!
Bro wait you have a Pokémon channel too? Used to watch your zombies videos all the time, good to see you expanding brother.
Welcome bb
I’m binging your gen 2 content. I just can’t enough of gen 2. The nostalgia really hits different with it.
For the Shuckle guy, he could have been given a baby Sneasel from someone who went to Mt. Silver and bred the one they caught. For the Fly girl, she is famous because she can teach fly. So obviously she just flew into that normally inaccessible area. You can't fly to places you haven't been, but that's why she's the master. I've always gone with the theory that Red gets the other starters from Blue/Oak, since yellow was supposed to be more of an anime adaptation. Him having Pikachu would just be because it's the mascot. Snorlax is a scripted fight, which makes it fitting to have (and as an excuse to not have two for you in a post game setting). Eevee is a scripted gift, so that kind of fits, and making it Espeon is likely just from it finally evolving on Mt. Silver. Maybe he didn't have any stones, and it just evolved when starting his training. For the Ditto, Red probably brought one over, since he would have had every pokemon. Then while traveling through Johto, hit up the daycare to see if he could level it up a bit. Eggs started to show up as a new thing. He may have left the Ditto there after realizing it doesn't do anything outside of transform, so it had time to populate the surrounding area.
The anime really did a good job with Bugsy's Metapod in that he trained it during this stage to combine all its moves to make itself a wrecking ball.
Bro these were good, you should also do separate videos for all 12 of these theories! I’d be keen to watch!
love your commitment to make gen.2 even greater
Great video, interesting obscure theories in gen 2 for sure, anyways, keep it up!
"Very real theories" is an oxymoron outside the scientific community
Gen 2 has been the one gen were Pokemon really reached its peak. It's always been a headscratcher for me why Blue's team is mostly based on his team on Red and Blue while Red's team is one you can easily assemble in Yellow (minus the Espeon) without trading since you get Pikachu as your starter, you can catch one of the two Snorlax, get the Eevee at Celadon Mansion, and of course, get all three of the OG Starters. If anything, they should have kept it consistent by basing Blue's team after what he has in Yellow (while he doesn't need the Eeveelution, at least he can have Sandslash, Magneton, Cloyster and Ninetales with his Alakazam and Exeggutor). With an Eeveelution, he could have Umbreon while replacing either Sandslash or Alakazam, because it would make sense since Red has Espeon, least in the original GSC, and it would be fitting to their personalities, with Red choosing the light and Blue choosing the Dark. On that matter, I don't know why since Gen IV and onward they decided to replace Red's Espeon with Lapras as it makes his team less diverse since he already has a Water-type with Blastoise.
Love the videos Patrick! Also your rom hack is a lot of fun 🤩
People have to get over the ditto clone theory
3:36 This was actually said in leaked documents. The game devs gave trainers fully evolved Pokémon to trainers to give a higher difficulty. A similar thing happened in gen 4
gosh, i love these kinds of videos!!!!
The manga has its own explanation for Red's team. He's borrowing Blue and Green's starters.
"Blue is just a great trainer and caught many different Pokemon." That is probably the case. I think people theorized that the tops of the "legos" in Blue's gym are actually Pokeballs containing Pokemon.
Crazy theory, the fly/steel wing girl is kahili of the eventual alola elite 4. She’s a flying type specialist who uses both skarmory and Crobat in her first appearance, and is said to be a famous professional golfer
There’s actually another woman in Mt. Silver. An old woman in the Pokémon center. I’ve heard lore about her that she’s a previous champion
See, people always cite the "yellow is the canonical geni game" like it's fact, but it's always bugged me; if that were the case, why does Green use Pidgeot, Gyarados, Arcanine, Rhydon instead of ever using Cloyster, Ninetails, Fearow, Sandslash, or any eevee in any game after Yellow? The only real evidence is that Red has all the starters and a high level pikachu, but there's absolutely no reason he couldn't have just caught pikachu and traded the starters. Maybe he has Green's starter. Maybe he traded from any of the numerous trainers in Kanto that have a member of a Kanto starter line. They're rare to the player, but they're clearly *not* overly rare in-universe. Mostly, I suppose, it seems silly to me to suggest the game intended as a recursive anime adaption would be canon over the original games, when GF has gone to lengths elsewise to establish Red as a totally separate character from Ash.
Fun fact: The theory that Red borrowed the two other starters was actually used in Pokemon Adventures, when Red needed to go to Mt. Silver for the healing hot spring to cure his frostbites inflicted by Lorelei during the Elite Four arc. He borrowed Charizard from Blue, and Blastoise from Green.
Nice job on the gen 2 content lately 😎
Hah, somethings to think about. Fun! Well done!
From the first series of the game, we had the knowledge that Metadpod and Kakuna could evolve, but Scyther in the first series didn't have evolution, so I think that the dialogue and Bugsy pokemon were meant to show players that any of his pokemon can evolve and that was a hint that somehow it is possible to evolve Scyther (there used to be no bulbapedia etc)
I love your content brother!
4:10 theory actually might have some merit as his Dragonite in gen 1 has an illegal move too in barrier
I like to think the woman who gives you Fly and Steel Wing is actually the Flying Type Elite 4 member of the Alola League. She's got to be strong enough to be recognized as able to go to Mount Silver, and she's clearly got a connection to flying types. Plus, she's a celebrity, as she's a famous golfer, so she could be on vacation, or just trying to have a quiet life.
In Pokemon Red, Blue and Yellow Pallet Town has a vast grassy patch in the left and right side of town and as a kid I am also curious about what kinds of Pokemon you can catch in that area
Hey there, big fan of your videos of Crystal Legacy. As my 1st mon game it also has a special place in my heart! I love what you have done with the Gym leaders teams and the movepools! Some suggestions are to expand the Pokedex with the evolutions introduced later. I know you buffed certain pokemon since they had awful stats, but their evolutions fix a lot of these issues. For example: Magnezone Sirfetch'd & Overqwil (I know is Galarian and Hisuan, but that was just an excuse of why its evolution was not present before) Tangrowth Electivire Magmortar Leafeon Glaceon (for these 2 guys maybe new Kimono girls) Porygon-Z Munchlax, Bonsly, Mantyke (why not? This is very fitting as it is the gen of baby mons) Togekiss Ambipom Yanmega Honchkrow Mismagius (not that may ghost so makes sense to introduce her) Farigiraf Dudunsparce Weavile Mamoswine Create a baby mon of Skarmory Wyrdeer I know you are looking for ideas on Rematch Elite 4: 1. You could bring back Lorelai. 2. How about you introduce Fairy typing into Elite 4 with a new character passing by region? You could explain that their Normal types are Fairy because of regional variants. 3. I would also like to point out that Elite 4 has never had a Normal, Grass or Electric specialist. Additional suggestions: Ampharos could be made a Dragon type like its mega since there are not many in this gen Unknown should also know Psychic
Massively overthinking the Bugsy one. It's canon that gym leaders will use weaker/stronger teams depending on how many badges a trainer has. It's simply a way for Bugsy to have a team that matches the expected strength of an average trainer who has picked up a badge already
Red lives on Mt Silver in Gen 2, the Celebrity he first met in Gen 1 now lives on Mt Silver in Gen 2. _Perhaps_ they're a couple and living together on Mt Silver?
Jasmine catches 2 Magnemite and gets a Metal coat, meanwhile I catch over 250 Magnemite in Crystal Legacy and still didn’t catch one until I trained a Furret up with thief.
I think Lance’s level disparity is actually just him going easy on you, so his Pokémon appear to be lower level than they are truly
I've been suspicious for a while, but the way you said "borrow" at 7:04 is screaming Canadian.
Good work, I didn't have heard of these before. There's that video about Blue in Red & Blue veing cheater, because he couldn't have caught so many pokémon when you meet him on SS. Anne, but then again, there's Silver with a sneasel only found on the mountain sharing a name with him. Maybe the rivals do trading?
To be fair, Shuckle can be found in breakable rocks too. But yeah, no one said what the Pokémon was that the rival stole. It probably wasn't a shuckle if the guy had another one.
Another theory with Jasmine is that because a magneton is just 3 magnamites stuck together, she just has the two and hasn’t caught a third yet.
7:18 this is the explanation that the Manga gives. He temporarily trades some of his pokemon for the other starters to help him get to the top of mt. Silver.
I think Ditto are on route 34 because that's where the daycare is, trainers bring a Ditto to the daycare to breed their pokemon then release it after
Regarding the "Red is from Yellow theory", I kinda think that if he actually was from Yellow version, his name wouldn't have been "Red", it would've been "Yellow". "Red" is the first of the three default names from Red Version (duh), whereas in Yellow Version, is replaced by "Yellow" (again duh). Likewise, the Gen 1 rival gets his official name from the first of the three default rival names in Red Version, which is either Green in the Japanese version, or Blue in the international versions, but in Yellow Version, his default name is just Blue, even in the Japanese version. Also, while Yellow is the only version where you can obtain all three Kanto Starters without trading, Red just could've traded for them. He wouldn't have even needed to specifically obtain then from Blue and/or Professor Oak. He could've just traded with one of the many NPCs who used them in Gen 1. Not like they were rare back then.
I doubt it wouldn't still be Red.
Dang this is also a really good point
Regarding the Celebrity at Mt. Silver: It's possible that the reason she is a celebrity is because she acquired all 8 Kanto Gym badges.
Gen 2 was the best of all pokemon. Being able to go to gen 1 area was amazing. Huge game
Is the path from Goldenrod to Whirl Islands a genuine scrapped idea? If it is I’d absolutely love to see it come back in Crystal Legacy
Going on the Yellow theory, I like to believe that Blue retired his Champion team when he became a Gym Leader and trained up his Gym team/Red and Blue team from scratch because he needs to be somewhat beatable as a Gym Leader.
Shuckle is available through rock smash north of Cianwood as well.
Woah, Bugsy studying unevolved Pokemon’s level training increase to prove the existence of Scizor before ‘Scizor’ itself was known, knew for this gen - and it would change the world to prove whether or not evolutions of Pokemon exist even before their discovery. Like what we did with Eviolite Dipplin.
Technically Blue does collect almost all Pokemon in gen 1 based on his conversations, so he probably can be extrapolated them all minus the legendaries. His yellow team is disbalanced by trying to directly counter Red's main, pikachu, with Sandslash, but for his gym he just goes for what he sees as the strongest option.
You can fuckle with Shuckle if you Rock Smash
We already know why Jasmine keeps her magnemites unevolved... Magneton can't be that easy to sit on compared to magnemites
YOOOOO THAT CHERRYGROVE CITY WATER SPOT BUGGED ME SINCE MY CHILDHOOD TOO. You're a king. I came here expecting nothing, then I got gold, I mean... Crystal.
That Ditto theory doesn't hold up to snuff when you consider that Ditto and Mew actually use different color palettes for their sprites in every game they appear in. Ditto was also not originally found in Cinnabar Mansion until Yellow onwards (instead appearing on Routes 13, 14, 15, and 23 in RBG plus Cerulean Cave always). I do have my own theory as to where they came from that ties into why Scyther, Pinsir, Tauros, the Exeggcute line, and the Dratini line were Pokemon can't be found in Kanto in Gen II: they were always native to Johto and were brought into Kanto for the Safari Zone - or for Ditto to Cinnabar Mansion the experiments in Yellow - in Gen I. When the Safari Zone closed in Gen II, they migrated back to their home region. Ditto might also be native to Cerulean Cave as the species can be found there in every game where it isn't caved in. Related to that theory, the locations where Chansey, the Rhyhorn line, and Kangaskhan can be found in Kanto in Gen II/IV are the natural habitats of their species that they were displaced from for the Safari Zone. Some Chansey and Rhyhorn took shelter in the Cerulean Cave during Gen I; but even when the cave is intact in Gen IV Kanto, they still leave once the Safari Zone is closed.
4:40 Shuckle can be found in a couple of locations including Cianwood by using rock smash on the boulders lying around.
"Although he may be a bad gym leader, it's possible Bugsy isn't stupid" I'm cackling, you didn't have to go in on Bugsy like that ahahahahaha
"Both her bribes are solid flying type moves." Ah, yes. My favorite flying type move. Steel Wing.
Shut the hell up🤣❤️
#8 It can't be. The NPCs are from Red, Green and Blue, not Yellow, such as Dontae, the guy who trades you a Jynx in RGB, rather than Melanie, who gives you Bulbasaur, and the trainer in Cerulean having a Slowbro, as it was in RGB, rather than an Electrode, as in Yellow. So the world itself suggests RGB as the story that GSC follow, not Yellow.
About the boy in Cianwood, I have mentioned this theory of the rival possibly stealing Sneasel on an app called amino over 7 years ago.
Girl has fly. Goes to area you can easily reach from the sky. "OMG HOW DID SHE GET THERE!?!?"