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CW are continuing to head in one direction, and that direction is north! In some ways it is a shame that they are drifting away from their affordable roots. But in other ways it is a pleasure to watch them produce innovative pieces like this, that still undercut the competition by big margins. Cheers, Jody
Never got the appeal of the skeletonized look in general. A clean, simpler design is so so much more satisfying to look at.
It is just good fun to see the machine in action sometimes.
So so much more boring as well.
Yeah, but when you've already got over a hundred "clean, simple" watches, you need some spice. Plus, this thing is just a marvel. I'd prefer it in steel though.
It’s nice to have a skeletonized watch when every other watch you have is a normal design
exactly. i have same movement in my CW watch with a proper dial. costed less than half......
The logo on the rotor reminds me of the name labels my mum sewed into my sports kit when I was at school!
Yes, it's much too loud. They'd be better off making it smaller and just engraved into the rotor with no paint.
CW CEO Mike France said on Monday that the micro-adjust would filter down to the regular Twelves. I think you're right re brand positioning, a bit like upmarket car manufacturers pushing the boat out on the F1 race track - it's more about brand-building than selling big numbers of these particular watches.
Great news! Planned to add a SS Twelve to the collection so I'll wait until then
Not my bag of crisps, Mate. And a bloody expensive bag at that.
Have to admit I spent the first couple of minutes deciphering your T-shirt, Jody! This watch isn't my jam but each to their own, right?
Literally 15 seconds for the T shirt, but its a niche skill - I am sure you are far more successful in general life and have a better watch collection than me my friend. My own collection fav is a Vostok Amphibia 42mm on a NATO,(I dont have a 7inch wrist) I also have mutliple GShocks my fav being a green GD 400. As you say each to their own. CW for thousands, not so much. Peace to all, whatever your watch brand preference (I hear Erebus are up and coming - I'm waiting for their field watch )😀
@@MxRoski15 seconds to decipher it is about right.
Took me a minute or two, then I realized a 7 is a T.
Intelligence is the ability to adapt to change.
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It's a bloody, expensive full stop. We are in the real world, no?
On a different note, I like your new black, textured background over the world map. Very professional, which, of course, you are!
Great shirt.
I do not want to adapt. I can, but I do not want. 😁
Such a clasp adjustment is also available on the Czapek Antarctique 😉
Hallelujah to the butterfly clasp adjustment!! 🙌 Zodiac also has something very similar on their jubilee style bracelets.
Cool T-shirt Jody!
It's a really nice piece and the quality when you hold it in hand is obvious. I had the opportunity to handle it at Intersect Atlanta last month. Price is spicy and it makes me realise how much of a bargain the Zelos Mirage was when it launched. That was around US$4K for the titanium version on bracelet and included a fitted rubber strap. It also featured a hardness coating on the case and bracelet and has the LJP 8 day power reserve movement customised for Zelos. The Twelve is a great watch but I think I'd go with the standard versions.
Nice skeleton. Out of my price range unfortunately...
Cool watch, great shirt!
I absolutely love this. Great review as well.
Looking forward to your review of the CW quartz chrono 👍🏾
Jodi, I love the T-shirt, where'd you get it?
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Thanks you very much and welcome!
Very cool watch but no I'm not paying $5k for one. A grey market Oris pro pilot skeleton is around the same price.
I really enjoyed this video - both the review and the ‘Jody Thinks’ at the end 🙂 FWIW, I totally agree - even to the point that I think this is the equivalent of a concept car rather than a watch they intend to sell in any volume. This is all about CW repositioning. I bought a C60 Sapphire 3 years ago (great watch btw, I love it) on a bracelet for £795. That was a standard CW price at the time. Now, a C60, C65 or C63 is much closer to £1000. They’re definitely after Longines etc and, when you look at their branding plus engineering, I suspect their long term goal is to move up towards a kind of Tudor £3000 level - though they’re clearly not there yet. I definitely think that CW can’t really be described as a microbrand now, there’s nothing micro about them
Someone on the CW forum managed to do a guestimate calculation on the number of C12X that were in the initial ordering frenzy. Their estimate was 600. That's quite a lot of SH21 movements as it has mainly been used in LEs. The machine polishing must have helped them as the C60 Concept which was the previous skeleton from CW was an LE of 300.
Jody keeps demonstrating the gold standard for a watch channel. Such an honest review, especially the backend of the video was very fair and balanced.
That’s a beautiful looking piece.
Very fair review! I think instead of comparing this with the zenith like many others compare this to. I'd compare this with the Zelos Mirage 2. Honestly they are both well reputed microbrands. The design on the Zelos wins for me: it is more in sync with brand design language The skeletonization is more legible Longer power reserve with 8 days The titanium case has a hardness coating which makes it as durable as SS if not better The Swiss movement by LJP is equally well finished. Lume is Superior.8 Having said all this, I'm glad Christopher Ward is experimenting so much with new stuff. I just hope they don't price themselves out of what I think they should remain; a good value microbrand offering high end products at a relatively good value
How much!! 😮 Hopefully no QC issues when you receive it. Good luck with getting in touch with Customer Services.
Jody, your shirt game is improving consistently these days.
Love this design however struggling with this price for a CW
It's a beautiful watch with cosc movement. But maybe at same price bracket I'd go for zenith skeleton instead
The VC Overseas also has the micro adjustment system on their butterfly bracelets
Hey Jody, may want to check the Aussie dollar conversion. Reckon you’re about $1,400 short.
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Brilliant roasting by Jordi 👍 bravo 🎉
I would not have said that was a roasting! Just an honest assessment of a $5000 CW.
This watch doesn’t need roasting. Just a photo and the price will suffice.
interesting but I think if they go this route that need to make the mechanism more artist
An adjustable B Fly is huge indeed
It is very good but I prefer a three fold anyway. Puts Grand Seiko to shame if Christopher Ward can put micro adjustment on a flush concealed butterfly and they cannot (will not?) put it on a flush three fold!
Zodiac has something similar on their butterfly clasps - more flex as opposed to an actual extension, but the give certainly helps with the comfort. That said, i absolutely HATE the skeletonized design of this one. Certainly no interest from me at this asking price.
Great tea strainer with a lovely skin nipper added.
Spot on, Jody. Happy to see CW do this watch, my personal taste on skellingtons is neither here nor there (fwiw no thanks). But the way they are moving up the price ladder and starting to play in the Longines/Tudor/Oris pool is the main takeaway.
I got my very first skeletonized Aragon watch a few months ago and I must say it looks and works really well! Sapphire glass and very comfortable bracelet! Have you ever tried/ review Aragon watches? ✌🏼😎👍🏼
that expandable bracelet is very nice
Cool tee, Dr J.
Jody, your font with the dimensions could be a bit more substantial. It looks good and looks more refined, but is just a little light to read. Exceptionally cool watch, thanks for the review.
Hellooo Jody 😊
I love this. I would have liked it more in steel, but I suspect I will buy it. I am buying a nice watch at Worn & Wound this summer. I thought it would be a Fears, but it might be this.
Lovely, but what's the time? The main function, should still be well, functional
I discovered the C60 Concept because of this release and much preferred that. The movement and lume looked better. Love CW got the micro adjustment on a butterfly, even though I prefer 3 fold! Puts Grand Seiko to shame lol.
It’s a unique case, bigger than the regular titanium 40mm Twelve.
Nice tee shirt. Nice watch too….❤
Great discussion. I'm a big fan of CW and I see the value in this enough that if I were buying a Twelve, I think it would be this one. But I'm not convinced I want this style of watch enough. I keep trying on and putting down PRX's without buying, so clearly not ready to take this type of plunge. I'm actually excited about your prediction for more upscale CW. if they somehow manage to be a taste of high horology in the single digit thousands, that would be a really neat niche to occupy.
CW’s bread and butter diver as well as their standard Gada offering can be had for under $900 if you forgo the bracelet.
Love the adjustment on the clasp, absolutely brilliant and a long time coming.
I couldnt care less, if a macro lens spies "rough edges" or not - only what I can see with my naked eye matters. The price, well if you want a watch (or any other product) bad enough and have the available funds, then its not too expensive. CW knows how to do business, and they probably also know that creating a halo model, is about marketing more that direct model related profits (ROI). Btw: that clasp is bloody brilliant👍 PS: how is the after sales service on a grey market Zenith....🤨
It looks ok for a skeletonized watch I guess, but I'd prefer the awesome power reserve with a normal dial.
It's definitely a nice piece. However, the huge detractors for me are the price, the integrated bracelet, the strange angle of the mid case lugs, and lastly the butterfly clasp. They always pop open on me, whether I wear them tight or loose on the wrist, they always pop open. So for me, it's a no-go.
I have a Twelve titanium and the clasp would never pop open on it in a million years. The CW ones are well made.
I could be tempted only if it had a date and if I did not already own the Twelve Ti.
Thanks but I'd rather get a lightly ised Omega or if I can get my hands on a used Zenith
Dr. Ian Malcolm would have words with CW on this one. "Your engineers were so concerned about whether they could..."
Hi Jodi can you review the Jack Mason Strat-O-Timer gmt?
Patek have started doing on the fly adjustment on their butterfly deployant, it's currently on the 5811 and a few others
I believe the list is Patek Phillipe, Audermars Piquet, JLC and Formex.
I like it Jody, almost as much as I like your shirt! 😁 But just too expensive to justify for me!
Hi Jory, Maybe you want to consider making a skeletonized Erebus, I will definitely order 1
Jory is on a different channel, called "The Time Teller".
Wrong channel! 😂
Thank you
struggling to differentiate between the front and the back of the watch
I have a Ward bought 4 year ago but the prices have now crept into the range i won't justify over other priorities.
Like it but not for me due to legibility - but fair play its beautiful and I love CW's chops
I think it would be as difficult to choose between those three as choosing between the Erebus Ascent dials !
If this had Omega or any other brand with equity, there would be no concern. Because it is a CW it's a concern. Look at the watch for what it offers in comparison to the market, and one without bias will see this is a very good watch. Congrats CW, very interested to see what you do in the future.
Nice review, I am actually impressed with the specs on the CW 12 X , yes the price is a bit polarised but as you rightly pointed out Jody if you look up the scale for what they are offering in terms of specs it's retrospective. I'm not a fan of integrated watches, skeletonized watches if done correctly I do like as I have engineering background and love to see how mechanical items work. Yes Zenith is a good choice as it's a well established swiss brand , but I don't think it offers 100m WR?
I stand corrected Zenith Defy does actually have 100m WR
Love and own the Oris ProPilot X 115. The CW beats it on size, bezel finishing and that nifty on the fly adjustment! I'm not hating this; good job CW. My money would still go to the Bel Canto, though.
I can think of a lot of timepieces I would want more than that for the price. Jomashop will have them in stock for $1899 if you can wait a year.
Jody, Formex do a micro adjustment for their butterfly bracelet and have done for quite some time....
Really? Not this style though?
@@JustOneMoreWatch no better....
This thing looks on another level
Very insightful presentation. I agree that CW will try to move up the ladder in pricing and quality. It’s a logical thing to do and they do seem to strive to take the company forward.
Finally a less ridiculous size box. Probably won't be buying this particular CW though, nice as it is.
At a glance, I can clearly see it's "over there hour, some minutes o'clock". After a 1 minute glance, it's definitely 9 or 10 o'clock, kinda just past the hour maybe. Great watch....
This is the first honest review I've seen of this watch where the reviewer has actually dared give a negative opinion on something! Every other review I have seen has been more of a spec. check and letting us all know how good CW are! Well done to Jody for saying it how it is.
It remains to be seen if CW can actually make these (and other models). I waited a year for a Snow Leopard (same movement) before giving up.
For the money I could quite happily put this up vs the zenith. It's movement is better is clasp is better it also wears smaller and more compact and it has quick release on the bracelet and rubber. For me this is a halo model for Christopher Ward and I'm glad it's not a limited edition.
The VC Overseas uses the same type of micro-adjustment on the butterfly clasp. Nice trick, but not new.
I know it’s an older model, but I’ve been trying to look at the C65 Aquatine stainless steel in blue (on bracelet) for a while now. Since CW is a direct online only brand, not possible where I’m. Can you help Jody?
It's out of my price range, and skeleton dials aren't my style, but holy cow look at that micro-adjust on the bracelet. Outstanding innovation. I hope it trickles down to their other models.
Need a few different color way options. At least one that allows to have the hands pops to allow for, well, reading the time.
I’m not keen on skeletonized dials, with rare exceptions such as the Accutron Spaceview, but generally I feel like this is decent value for what you get.
Glad they kept the same packaging. Definitely a Marmite watch for me. Next step from the Bel Canto? Straying too far into Hublot territory?
Not for me but thanks for the review. Love your intelligence T-shirt. Clever.
I have the steel 12 in 36mm with the mint green dial and its a fun metal sports watch... this certainly seems a bit much
This new Skele-Twelve is definitely in the halo/apex range for the CW catalogue. Looks great, impressive design and engineering. I’m not sold on the skeleton work as a look. But it is a brilliant watch. Bravo, CW. As to the price, this feels like an extension of the CW line that makes sense to me: not limited supply, but not a daily for the average buyer either. I think the XIIX will be aspirational as they maintain the entry lux Trident/Sealander/Aquitaine models as well.
A nightmare of cogwheels and springs 😱
Well… It’s not the Bel Canto… What I do like is the shirt!
Reminds me of the Rolex Texano. I like the lume disk and micro adjustments. Would prefer it smaller (~38mm). Wouldn't mind a reduction in PR to 60hrs if it was cheaper and thinner as well.
Forget the watch, I just love the T-shirt 👍
It is a bit complicated for me. I’m glad and not glad they are moving more upmarket. As for this watch, it’s fantastic but not quite for me. And for the money, I’m looking at several other watches, GS, Tudor, etc. before I would pick this one up. Not that I can afford any of these anyway! Thanks for the great review as always!
Those $ signs concern me 😐
Sign O The Times.
Definitely out of my price range, but a nice skeletonized watch, nonetheless, and more legible than most I've seen. I kinda dig it. :) Great review, Jody!
The JLC Aikon Urban Tribe all day for me at around the same price if you can find one - failing that the Zenith if Jomashop still have it.
Intelligence is the ability to adapt to change.
Not really much to add to your fire side chat there Jody as I think you made some very valid points. I would much prefer the standard Ti 12 IF you can call that standard! Like you said this is niche Ward and for some it’s just what they want, plus there is no doubt this is a bit of a technological marvel. Well done CW 👏👏👏
Throw a set of yellow hands on it for legibility and I'd buy it
Only Kenissi (Tudor) is kicking out long power reserve, 28,800 vph chronometer movements in any volume at all. Could CW compete as a movement manufacture?
Rado Captain Cook Ceramic Skeleton is very similar priced (and most likely less when going through a AD). But, I will admit, the CW Skeletisation is on a level that is nearly unmatched.
As you point out, a big disadvantage of a skeleton is the inherent difficulty of reading the time at a glance, hence their general lack of appeal for me. That being said, if I were to buy a skeleton, this would be a solid contender.
Very nice watch, and I do agree with your T.shit, Steven was rarely wrong!
This is not for me, in terms of design and it's for sure expensive for a CW, but on the other hand this could probably be considered a competitor of the Oris Pro Pilot X skeleton with the caliber 115 that is currently priced at 8k, so from this point of view it's not so bad.