The First Full Assembly of The Pasq® ADV1 - Single-Wheel Adventure-Motorcycle Trailer
This is a video of the assembly of our first prototype... We have gone far beyond what you see in this video. To see other videos of the ADV1 in use, visit our channel and check out other videos: / pasqadventure .
On Thursday, 17 June 2021 the Pasq® design and production teams met to fully assemble The ADV1 prototype for the first time and to take it for its first tow. It took about two hours to put it all together. Some of you may notice that we didn't use locking nuts-this is because we had to take it apart for powder coating, so made it easier on ourselves by using non-locking nuts for this step.
Once it was all put together and the suspension was working, we attached it to Rod's Yamaha Super Tenere and took it for a few laps. We couldn't have been more thrilled with the performance. Being a prototype, it's heavier than production models will weigh, but we still couldn't feel The ADV1 behind the bike.
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Awesome! I will be following this!
Super!
Thank you!
Very cool, I would have loved to have had that on my new 2022 HD Pan America as i did 7k miles accross from Roseville CA to Pigeon Forge and back, with extra time spent in Utah and Colorado touring the primative back country and mountainside trails.
That sounds like an amazing trip! It also sounds like the ADV1 (we had to rename the trailer due to trademark issues) would have been very useful. We have done a lot of our testing behind a Pan America and really like the bike, so we know it works well with that bike! We are getting very close to production. If you haven't, sign up for our newsletter at pasqadventure.com so you can get the latest updates.
Awesome!!
Thank you! We're working hard so that it will be totally awesome when we launch!
Keep sending updates.
We definitely will!
Inspiratif om ❤
Google says this is Indonesian for "OMG Inspirational!" Thank you!!
Wow! That looks expensive! Impressive workmanship.....
Thanks Marc for pointing out the workmanship on this prototype-we agree it's impressive! (But, of course, we're biased.) With every decision we make, we are dedicated to making the most innovative, useful, highest quality ADV trailer available on the market. We are working on the 2nd round of prototypes with an eye towards being able to produce The Goose as inexpensively as possible without sacrificing any quality or features, as well as reducing the weight. But with that quality and list of features does come a price. Once we're done with the 2nd prototype, we will be able to price it out more accurately-planned for June of 2022. However, consider that the air shock (critical to be able to easily set preload for the weight you're carrying) will cost us over $400 wholesale. And that's just one component. As with other high-end products in the ADV world (think about top-end bikes like the GS1250, Round-the-World Panniers by Giant Loop, Touratec Panniers) the best is never the cheapest!
Notice they never tell you the cost. Get a Rokon and trailer for the cost of this and go anywhere that would never be able to go .
Please poke around about half of the comments, you will have seen that we're still finalizing the design and the bill of materials. Even though our design is not quite finished at this point, we are estimating the price will be between $6000 to $7500. It will depend on some suspension components and what happens with aluminum prices. Anyway, it's about $1.5k to $2k less expensive than a Recon. I'm kind of happy you assumed the ADV1 was more expensive-I'll take that as a compliment on the quality of what we've built. And a Recon is definitely an alternative way to have a blast! But we are in a bit of a apple vs. orange situation. For example, I don't think the Recon will be all that safe or comfortable on an interstate doing it's max 35 mph. It's all about what you want to do! We all swing our legs over different bikes, with different ideas of what fun is. Our goal is to make a trailer that will do everything a mid-size or large ADV bike will do...that means the speed limit (or more if you're so inclined...we can't stop you) on the highway on one end of the spectrum, and the bulk of BDRs on the other. See this video for what I (a so-so rider) am able to do with the ADV1...better riders could do a lot more. kzhead.info/sun/hdCznJqKr2R_m4k/bejne.html But I'm all in favor of a bunch of you reading this to go out and buy a Recon and a trailer! It's such a fun-looking machine and I hope they're super successful.
So what’s your verdict on it been thinking about one for my self
Hello John! We are working on wrapping up some final design tweaks. Make sure to take a look at all the other videos and take a look at the some of our blog posts to get an idea of what we think! Glad you're thinking about getting one. If you haven't already, join our mailing list to be kept up to date on what is happening! www.pasqadventure.com/adv1-trailer/#preorder_form
I wonder If this trailer would work with a zero FX electric bike?
Hello Dwayne, I answer this question for you over on the other video, but I'll paste my answer here as well for everyone else who might see it. Based on these images (www.zeromotorcycles.com/model/zero-fx) I'd say we will be able to connect to the Zero FX's hollow rear axle. However, connection is only one piece of the puzzle. As its name implies, the ADV1 was designed for ADV (adventure touring) bikes like the BMW 1250 GS, the Africa Twin, the KTM Adventure, etc. What's the difference? Well, let's start with brakes. ADV bikes generally have two huge twin-piston disk brakes on the front and one on the back. That is a tremendous amount of braking-seldom do I use more than one finger on the brakes of my Super Tenere. The Zero FX has only one one-piston disk on the front and one on the back. Highly related to braking capacity is the contact patch size of the tires. ADV bikes have big tires so they have a good amount of grip on the road. The Zero FX has quite narrow tires (1.85" on the front and 2.5" on the rear). Our concern would be the weight of the trailer (we are shooting for 90 to 100 lbs, depending on tire selection and a few other things) and the weight of your gear would overwhelm the bike's braking capacity. We are not planning on releasing the ADV1 with a brake. Who knows about the ADV2 and other designs we have planned, but the ADV1 will likely not have a brake. Next comes the power of the engine. From what I see the Zero FX's motor is 28 hp. We are confident the ADV1 will work well with mid-sized (~75 to 90 hp) and large ADV bikes (~110 to 140 hp). We have not tested or thought about testing the ADV1 on smaller motors. So, I'm sure you've come to the same conclusion...the ADV1 is not a great fit for the Zero FX. Now, you have given us a lot to think about. We have to get the ADV1 launched first, but is the ELECTRIC1 the next trailer we design? Could be! I'm sorry this isn't the answer you're looking for, but the ADV1 is definitely designed for the ADV bike market. But we named the company Pasq (after the pasque, a beautiful and strong prairie flower), not "The ADV Trailer Company." Our vision is to have a full line of motorcycle-specific trailers. One that is right for the Zero FX would be a great challenge to design and build! Thanks again! Rod from Pasq
In your long term endurance testing, did you discover any unusual wear at the articulation joint?
Hello Maytronix! By "articulation joint" do you mean the joint between the trailer and the hitch arms? If so, we have redesigned/reengineered that completely. Here is a link to a part of our "history" video that talks about this redesign: kzhead.info/sun/pMt-lc2ernSDYKs/bejne.html. The first part of the video explains how it works and shows a proof-of-concept prototype we made with off-the-shelf parts. If you watch that video until about the 4:45 point, you'll see the next version, which is closer to what the final design will look like, but still using off-the-shelf parts. In our final design of the trailer, much of the hinge will actually be inside the trailer. (Keep watching the video...you'll see what we mean.) So, by all of this, you can easily come to the conclusion that we have not put a lot of miles on this design. We will be doing that this Jan to Mar when we are testing our final prototype. However, if by "articulation joint" you mean where we grab onto axle adaptor we put onto the bike's hollow axle, and then grab onto, we have lots and lots of miles on that and have not had any issues at all. Hope this helps. Of course you can keep the conversation going and clarify your question here and we'll do our best to answer.
@@PasqAdventure yessir, that was indeed the the spot I was looking at. [Edit: where the bike mount meets the trailer] I dont fab (though I can join two pieces of metal with fire on occasion) and I barely ride compared to some; so I dont speak from a great deal of experience. But I do find the creative process/engineering quite interesting. With that being said, in my poking around the interwebs.... listening to others that have bought trailers/dolly's for their bikes. It does appear the most likely of failure points (minus suspension collapse). Not to say that i can see anything wrong with the design... it looks bomber.. Your trailer looks like it could carry whatever you might want to carry plus my little bike, lol. But even the strongest of designs and materials fatigue given enough use and stress; so I am certainly curious how your long term destructive testing will perform. Color me impressed Gents and Ladies. Great work.
Would absolutely buy this if it could be made to work on a 2018+ Gold Wing.
Hello EO! We are laser focused on bringing the ADV1 to market, but as its name/model number suggests, it's for the adventure touring market to begin with. Once we have delivered our first models for the ADV market, we are going to make some design changes we've already started thinking about, and bring out a trailer for the Gold Wing/cruiser crowd. Maybe the CRZ1? 🙂 It will likely connect via the myriad of hitches already available for those types of bikes. That means it will put some weight on the bikes suspension (as opposed to our axle adaptors for ADV bikes), but we're working on ways to reduce the tongue weight. And of course, with one wheel, you won't feel the weight nearly as much because it will lean with your bike, not try to push your rear wheel into the ditch like two-wheels trailers do!
Okay. You have my attention.
Wonderful! Check out some of our other videos showing the trailer in action. Here's a good one: kzhead.info/sun/hdCznJqKr2R_m4k/bejne.html You can sign up for our newsletter at pasqadventure.com and of course you can follow our KZhead channel.
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I love one wheel vagons, and build a cople of them myself, but this one i think is little to mutch, overmade in meny ways, i keep mune simple and really lot of space for cargo. Where i put my adventure stuff? You can put more stuff in the motorcyckes packing boxes 😁 In one of my small vagons i put an 26 tum hewy 80's tv in. Im thinking i gona made one new to my scooter, already got an car hitch on my moped, thinking to weld an small hitch on side of it to my new monowheel wagon, if i can stand in it its ok for what i gona use it for 😁
Hello Peter, I believe you are mistaking that the only storage on this trailer is the small (22 liter) internal storage. It's easy to think that from this video, which is a video of the first time we ever assembled the trailer. However, this trailer is designed to carry whatever you want on the sides of the trailer. It is like a roof-rack on a car. You can see the trailer with panniers, coolers, and dry bags attached to it in other videos on our channel. Here's an example: kzhead.info/sun/hdCznJqKr2R_m4k/bejne.html
@@PasqAdventure Exactly! So overproduce product and so little it can take. I made 10 times more simple and 10 times mord space on mine. This ones is really good made and looks great, but still so overworked for that little 😁
Yes, totally over engineered and trailer. Hitch been attached to the back wheel. I fear would get metal fatigue on really rough, corrugated roads like have here in outback Australia also seems to have a high centre of gravity. Yeah, not good when carrying lots of weight.
We've had a lot of comments about only having one pannier. This is a video of our assembly of our first prototype-it doesn't show the ADV1 in real use. Here's a video of the ADV1 doing what it's intended to do: kzhead.info/sun/hdCznJqKr2R_m4k/bejne.html It's meant to be like a roof rack for your bike...you can attach hard or soft pannier, coolers, Rotopax, dry bags, bicycles...whatever you can think of!
You have suspension on the rear, but 100% jarring on the front. Why didn't you suspend it from the bike frame instead of the axle? Your suspension is only about half as helpful as it could be.? Looks real nice, but I question how well it was thought out.
Hello SLRS, We have many design goals with the ADV1. One of them was to get weight off the suspension of the bike so it can do what it was designed to do...suspend the bike and the rider. Most adventure touring bikes are designed to carry "stuff" or a passenger, but when you have both a pillion and stuff (like my wife and me when we go moto camping) you overload the bike. Other times this comes into play is when a group of people go out for a weekend or longer and want to bring 3 days of food and beverages, maybe chairs, etc for a nice basecamp. Yet another is when you're a leader of a tour and need to carry additional spare parts, tools, food, etc. One more for good measure...when you're riding to a remote destination like Prudhoe Bay, Alaska and you'd like to bring more aggressive tires with you for when you hit the gravel, and you want to bring along extra fuel for the long stretches with no gas stations. There are a lot of use cases for the ADV1. The ADV1 takes weight off the bike and puts it onto the trailer. The suspension on the ADV1 has 7" (17.75 cm) of travel...more than many motorcycles! That suspension is extremely important both at high speeds on the highway and off-road. I think if you watch some of our other videos (our channel is at kzhead.infovideos) you will see the suspension working and it'll make more sense to you. And, you need not worry about how well thought out the ADV1 is. We have been designing on CAD and testing in both the field and in finite element analysis for nearly two years. An enormous amount of thought, effort, trial & error, and testing have gone into this. We are about to begin building our final prototype, which is going to be amazing. Subscribe and click the bell to see the videos of it, or you can sign up for our newsletter at pasqadventure.com. Thanks!
@@PasqAdventure Nothing that you have said really answers my initial comment. No amount of suspension travel at the rear of the trailer changes the fact that there is no suspension up front. Any bike that is designed to support a second rider is perfectly capable of carrying extra weight. Especially a bike that commonly has luggage / gear strapped to it. If you watch your videos carefully, you will see my point and it will become entirely obvious to you.
Well yes, as someone commented on ADV Rider it's not for our market. Maybe the GS guys but not adventure riders as I understand it. I build maybe two or of these a year for guys going round the world and have made a fair few test ones. It's easy to draw tubes on a CAD program but cutting and welding it together another matter, I'm a design and production engineer and know two rails underneath is the economic way to go. Aluminium is not repairable in Ulan Bator or the backwoods of India so I use stainless tube, anyone with an arc welder and an old bed frame can sort it out. Same goes for the suspension, any junk yard in the world can supply the shocks of a C150 or whatever, a specific unit is a disaster. The hitch U should really be a U or V shape, if you can't get to 90° to the trailer then turning around is a disaster. The box carrying system is far better, when you are stuck being able to unload the cargo easily is important, then you can unhitch and sort yourself out. Legs or a stand system is invaluable for parking and unhitching. The shock is right in the roadspray and will die rapidly. Handling wise the pivot point should be as close to the rear wheel and the trailer wheelbase longer so the trailer curves in the same radius as the motorcycle, otherwise the trailer wheel tries to cut the corner and pulls the motorcycle over, this is especially noticeable accelerating out of tight curve. The weight should be a low as possible, I build mine with adjustable ride height so for road use the cargo box grounds when the motorcycle grounds and with stiffer suspension to prevent wallowing, for offroad I lift the trailer and use softer, longer travel. Around 40kg load is about the limit for fast offroad, around 20kg for around an mx or enduro course, 60kg is just okay for road work with a large bike (ca 200kg).
Wow, Jim. Thank you for your comments. There is a lot to unpack here. Fill up your tank, and you’re likely going to need it get to the end of this: 1. “I'm a design and production engineer and know two rails underneath is the economic way to go.” - Since you’re an engineer, you know that design does its best to produce desired outcomes and uses. I’m fairly certain your design goals are quite different from Pasq’s. So, I need to make our design goals very clear: we are making a trailer that will do what midsize and large ADV bikes do. Our design is not for enduro bikes. It currently is not for highway-only cruisers, but we will likely make adjustments and go into that market next. Our design goals are that our trailer be able to handle gravel roads, some rough off-roading, as well as do high speeds on the highway. From what I can tell, you are from Germany where the law is, a motorcycle pulling a trailer cannot exceed 60 km/hr (36 miles/hr). We are in the US where many areas have speed limits of 80 miles/hr (128 km/hr) and the norm is 70 miles/hour (113 km/hr). Our target market expects (and we do too) our trailer to be able to do that speed, and then be able to turn off onto a gravel road and travel at 40 miles/hr, and then turn onto a rough two-rut trail and bounce around on rocks to get to a campsite. They expect to be able to travel for 1500 to 3000 miles at highway speeds to get to Fairbanks, Alaska, and then travel the remaining 500 miles of gravel roads to get to Prudhoe Bay and the Arctic Ocean. To put it in a European context, it has to be able to do everything needed to get from North Cape, Norway to Capetown, South Africa. And all of this, without getting off the bike and making adjustments to suspension or the configuration of the trailer. It is also very important to note that our design goal, like BMW or Mercedes, is not to produce an inexpensive trailer; it is to produce the ultimate trailer available for the ADV market within a reasonable price for that market. That means the price will likely be between $6000 to $7000. Some will say that's insane. But in the context of a $30000 BMW GS, it is a reasonable price for what we are delivering. 2. “Aluminum is not repairable in Ulan Bator or the backwoods of India so I use stainless tube, anyone with an arc welder and an old bed frame can sort it out.” - I think you underestimate the abilities of Mongolians and Indians. Being a design engineer, you know that every design decision-especially when it comes to materials-is a trade off. If you are the Jim Titt that makes climbing bolts, you know this very well. Your decision to use stainless in your trailers is to trade the ubiquity of arc welders for weight. Building a frame from aluminum is not something that is unusual. You are probably aware that many high-end cars and trucks have aluminum frames. It sounds like you’re familiar with India. I rode an aluminum-framed Cannondale bicycle with aluminum racks (all 6061-T6) around the world in 1989 and 1990, spending 3 months in mostly rural India. This was before India opened to international trade, so there wasn’t anything foreign in the country, not even a Coke (we drank a lot of Thumbs Up Cola). We had problems in Tamil Nadu with one of the racks, but mig/tig welders are also not uncommon, even in 1990 India and we were able to sort it out. (There really is no backwater in India…the country is filled with people who can solve any problem with nearly nothing.) We figured it out. Very importantly, in the design we are going to market with, the entire frame will be bolted together. The design you see in this video is welded aluminum tubing. We are going to be able to send a replacement for a broken piece. DHL is an amazing company! You will be able to make a temporary repair, keep traveling, and replace the broken piece down the road. I had to do that with a broken wheel in India. We got by on Indian ingenuity until the replacement arrived a week or two later via DHL. 3. “Same goes for the suspension, any junk yard in the world can supply the shocks of a C150 or whatever, a specific unit is a disaster.” - Again, you make different trade offs than we have decided to make. One of our design goals is for this trailer to be able to travel expressways at (or above if you’re so inclined) speed limits. This makes it critical that our suspension be able to handle holes or bumps at high speeds. A C150 shock isn’t going to be able to do that. A trailer bouncing down an expressway at 120 km/hr is very dangerous, and that is what a C150 shock would likely result in. Off road handling is much easier. High speed is another challenge completely. Also, from what I can remember, a C150 shock has very little preload adjustability and no rebound adjustment. We have chosen an air shock so that as you add or remove weight on the trailer, you can easily add preload to the shock so you maintain proper and safe functionality. Our shock also has adjustable rebound, again for safety at high speeds and control off-roads. We have made our choices based on what we want the trailer to be able to do. 4. “The hitch U should really be a U or V shape, if you can't get to 90° to the trailer then turning around is a disaster.” - I’m not exactly sure what you’re referring to here regarding U and V. We will have a 74° turning angle on our trapezoid hinge (patent pending). We’ll be releasing a video on our hinge shortly. We’ve found that the benefits of the trapezoid hinge and that turning angle work very well. 5. “The box carrying system is far better, when you are stuck being able to unload the cargo easily is important, then you can unhitch and sort yourself out.” - A big plastic box has advantages and disadvantages, just like our system does. One of our design goals is to make the trailer like a roof rack for a car. Our system allows you to attach nearly anything to the sides of our trailer, and remove them easily. We have people planning to attach bicycles and kayaks to the trailer, in addition to hard and soft panniers, coolers, dry bags, and anything else people would like to take with them. 6. “Legs or a stand system is invaluable for parking and unhitching.” - Finally, something we can agree completely on! Our stand acts as both a side stand when connected to the bike, and a center stand when disconnected. It’s important for you and everyone watching this video to understand that what you see is our very first prototype. The trailer we are going to market with is very different, but also very similar. The production model will be 2 feet shorter (60 cm), about 30 lbs (13 kg) lighter, not made from tubing, and will not be welded. But it will have the same 17” ADV wheel, the same carrying capacity and style. Also, I encourage you to watch some of the other videos on our channel. kzhead.info/sun/qLSSkdSBZ3ykq3A/bejne.html 7. “The shock is right in the roadspray and will die rapidly.” The shock in the final design is well protected. (It was actually well protected in this prototype as well.) Also, the air shock we are using is designed to get massively dirty at a wide range of temperatures without failure. It has years and years of use in multiple situations. 8. “Handling wise the pivot point should be as close to the rear wheel....” - Once again, I have to state that this video is of our first prototype. Our final product will have a trapezoid hinge, which makes most of your comments completely moot. You couldn’t know that based on this video, but if you have experience with trapezoid hinges for trucks and cars, you can probably imagine what it will do. We have shot a video and will be publishing it next week that begins to introduce our patent pending hinge. Also, I have no doubt that what you say is true of the steel rail+plastic tub trailers you’re making. 9. “The weight should be as low as possible, I build mine with adjustable ride height so for road use the cargo box grounds when the motorcycle grounds and with stiffer suspension to prevent wallowing, for offroad I lift the trailer and use softer, longer travel.” - All of these comments are very reasonable and generally true. In our up-coming production model, the weight will be carried lower than you see in this video. Also, it’s impossible to understate how game-changing our trapezoid hinge is in handling. 10. “Around 40kg load is about the limit for fast offroad, around 20kg for around an mx or enduro course, 60kg is just okay for road work with a large bike (ca 200kg).” - Another point we agree on! However, the ADV1 is NOT made for the enduro market. It is built for adventure touring (ADV) bikes, like the BMW GS series, Honda Africa Twins, KTM Super Adventure series, etc. We’ll enter the enduro market, eventually.
@@PasqAdventure Trailers are rare in Germany, getting through inspection is difficult and the speed limit unattractive to say the least. The reason for this is no motorcycle manufacturer will give type approval for use with a trailer. And to some extent this is understandable as they have adverse effects on the handling. I and my customers use them in other countries where things are more relaxed (actually in Italy they are completely banned but we can use German registered ones there). Naturally I test them, up to 200km/hr but that's easy and not the fundamental handling problem, this occurs at slow speeds and you really only identify it it you ride agressively with a lighter bike. However this is of concern in an emergency situation for any rider. If you swerve to avoid something like a child running into the street and are forced by oncoming traffic for instance to swerve back you suddenly find the motorcycle reacts very differently to normal, the tail wags the dog so to speak. Because the trailer wheel isn't actually following the motorcycle but is in effect cutting the corner when you swerve back straight the trailer is doing something different and you need a much larger steering input than normal then have to remove this rapidly. The more weight the worse the effect. I've tested up to 120kg and it will actually just scrub the front tire away on my 950KTM. The other entertaining feature (though probably uninteresting to touring riders) is trail braking on dirt roads where the weight pushes the back wheel out in an interesting manner so spirited riding on fire roads is a matter of readjusting braking distances and some new riding experiences! We actually went to a supermoto track and tried our best, it was better to drop the trailer lower so backing into the corner just the frame rail is on the ground and slides easier but I doubt this is GS territory. The other "interesting" handling problem is in two-track or single track (tractor ruts or such) where under braking we start to get head shake, on KTM's this is alarming to say the least and we think it is because the trailer wheel naturally tries to ride up the side of the rut which one corrects and then the wheel does the same on the other side. Most alarming! Incidentally I tried keeping the trailer rigid and letting the wheel pivot independently, it was a good as a supermarket trolley on rough ground, I managed about 10 feet before I crashed! The optimum solution would be steering the trailer wheel from the pivot yoke as large farm trailers do but that's getting complicated.
Her şey çok güzel fakat ağırlık merkezi çok yukarıda
Hello Niyazi, If Google translate is correct, you said the trailer looks great, but the center of gravity is too high. First, thanks for the compliment! It's important for you to know that this video is the assembly of our very first prototype. We have since done two more prototypes and given the trailer a new name, the ADV1. So many of the things you see in this video have been changed. Related to your comment, there have been two really big changes: 1) We have lowered the trailer about 5 or 6 cm (2 inches). 2) We have implemented two trapezoid hinges, one at the bottom of the trailer and one at about the middle. These two hinges make the ADV1 extremely stable, no matter where the weight is. One more point that is important...most of the weight that will be carried by the ADV1 will be in panniers which hang down the sides of the ADV1. This places the weight actually much lower than it would be on the motorcycle. Here's a picture that shows how my wife and I travel with the ADV1 and how the bags sit. photos.app.goo.gl/8n3NcZzhDo2nu5by6 We will definitely recommend that people do not put much weight on the top of the ADV1. In the picture you can see that we have a dry bag mounted on the top. It carries our tent, sleeping pads, and quilt. It probably weighs about 20 lbs (9 Kg) and is not a problem at all. ======= Google's Translation into Turkish ======= Google çeviri doğruysa fragmanın harika göründüğünü ancak ağırlık merkezinin çok yüksek olduğunu söylemişsiniz. Öncelikle iltifatın için teşekkürler! Bu videonun ilk prototipimizin montajı olduğunu bilmeniz sizin için önemli. O zamandan beri iki prototip daha yaptık ve treylere ADV1 adında yeni bir isim verdik. Bu videoda gördüğünüz şeylerin çoğu değiştirildi. Yorumunuzla ilgili olarak iki büyük değişiklik oldu: 1) Römorku yaklaşık 5 veya 6 cm (2 inç) alçalttık. 2) Biri treylerin alt kısmında ve diğeri yaklaşık olarak ortada olmak üzere iki adet trapez menteşe uyguladık. Bu iki menteşe, ağırlık nerede olursa olsun ADV1'in son derece stabil olmasını sağlar. Önemli olan bir nokta daha... ADV1'in taşıyacağı ağırlığın çoğu, ADV1'in yanlarından sarkan yan çantalarda olacak. Bu, ağırlığın aslında motosiklette olduğundan çok daha düşük olmasını sağlar. Eşimle birlikte ADV1 ile nasıl seyahat ettiğimizi ve çantaların nasıl oturduğunu gösteren bir resim. photos.app.goo.gl/8n3NcZzhDo2nu5by6 İnsanların ADV1'in üstüne fazla ağırlık koymamalarını kesinlikle tavsiye edeceğiz. Resimde üst tarafa monte edilmiş bir kuru çantamızın olduğunu görebilirsiniz. Çadırımızı, uyku tulumlarımızı, yorganımızı taşıyor. Muhtemelen yaklaşık 20 lbs (9 Kg) ağırlığındadır ve hiç sorun değildir.
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Thanks Carlos!
Low center of gravity is needed
We have many design goals, but they can be summed up as we want the ADV1 to do everything a large or medium-sized ADV bike can do. That means it needs to be able to go down the highway at speed limits (or above if you so choose) and then be able to turn off onto a dirt, washboarded, pot-holed logging road and go 5 miles back into the woods, and then go the last 200 yards on a single-track trail to your favorite camp site. We have designed the ADV1 to be able to carry panniers as high or low as you want through our mounting plates, which you don't see in this video. So, depending on what type of riding you're doing you can adjust the height of your load. If you're 100% highway, then you can keep the weight low. If you're off-road, you can raise them. Also, our trapezoid hinge means that the trailer is stable at any speed, with up to 120 pounds at a reasonable height. You can't really see any of this on this video; this is just an assembly video. I'd suggest you take a look at some of our other videos where we have bags attached to the trailer. www.youtube.com/@PasqAdventure/videos
What's the price
Hello Jeff, We are nearing the end of making our final prototype, which includes a lot of improvements and changes. Once that is done, we'll have our final bill of materials, so we can start to get quotes on parts and components. Also, we are in conversations with moto-sport distributors, which could mean we'd be making a lot more trailers, which would mean our cost to produce each trailer would likely go down. All of this is to say, we have too many unknowns at this time to have a solid price at this time, BUT our best guess at this point is it will be in the area of $7500. Now, it'd sure be helpful if the price of aluminum would stop skyrocketing.
@@rodholmes57 7500? To carry the equivalent of a saddlebag…. Unless I’m missing something here?
@@jeffreyengle2762 As we mentioned above in your comment, I think you may be missing something. Take a look at our other videos to see how it's intended to be used, carrying panniers, coolers, dry bags, and even bicycles. kzhead.info/sun/hdCznJqKr2R_m4k/bejne.html
@@PasqAdventure gotcha😄
A tubed tire? Really? Just what I need, a flat in the middle of no where.
Been there, done that (flat in the middle of nowhere)! We are looking at our final specification for the rim/wheel. It's possible we will put a tubeless tire on all versions, or have it as an upgrade. The question will likely be, are you willing to pay what a tubeless wheel will cost? We have a pretty special situation that we're using a front hub with a 17" x 2.5" rear rim. We're doing this to make sure our owners have the maximum number of tire options, which complicates the wheel building and spec'ing process, but we think it's worth it!
Hello Lee, We have an update on the wheels for the ADV1. We have finally been able to source both a tubed wheel and tubeless wheel (COVID hit this world pretty hard). You may not know it, but tubeless wheels are much more expensive than tubed. Would you be willing to to pay an additional $500 (approximately) for the option of a tubeless wheel? That would be us just barely marking up the cost difference, just to cover paperwork and having to inventory tubeless wheels. Thanks for any input you might have!
Выглядит круто, сложно, больше дизайнерское решение , инженирия в полной жопе!!! Высокий центр тяжести, неправильно вес распределён, оч сложная конструкция
For the English speakers, here is Google's translation of the above Russian, "Looks cool, complicated, more of a design decision, engineering is in full ass!!! High center of gravity, incorrectly distributed weight, very complex design." (I'm guessing "full ass" might be better translated as "kick ass!" If so, thanks for the complement-our engineer will be pleased you like his work.) Thanks for your thoughts! A couple of thoughts of my own: - What you're seeing in this video is prototype #1. There will be a lot of changes in #2, including reduced height and weight, a new more sophisticate pivot, and different basic construction of the frame. - In the world of mechanical technology, another way to say "complicated" is "sophisticated." (I hope Google Translate can differentiate that subtlety when you translate this into Russian.) The Tesla Model S is far more complicated than my first car, a 1963 Chevy Impala. Is the Tesla better? In most ways, absolutely. (But anyone who has experience with the 327 V-8 small block Chevy engine will know it was KICK ASS!! (See what I did there?)) The ADV1 (we've had to rename it for copyright reasons) has had thousands of design decisions. Why did we decide to attach to the rear axle? Why a 17" rim? Why are the lengths of the hitch arms what they are? Why is the length of the trailer what it is? Why Denali lights? Why is the wheel located where it is? Why a horizontal shock with a sophisticated linkage system? Why 6061 T6 aluminum? Why? Why? Why? Why? Everything you see was a decision made with one idea-to build the most amazing ADV trailer possible. Could you make a simpler trailer? Definitely. Are we going to do that? Not in this model. Who knows about the future...we can do simple too and maybe we will at some point. - As for "incorrectly distributed weight" I'll let The Dude do the talking (kzhead.info/sun/nZ1um7KvkalujJE/bejne.html). Until I see your math and/or finite element analysis, we'll stay with our decisions. Thanks again for your thoughts!
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Hello Nattaphon, Google translated your comment as "ornamentation." That word is open to a lot of interpretation. Some possibilities are: 1) Maybe you meant the ADV1 (our new name for the trailer) is only ornamentation for the motorcycle? Well, our team of engineers and riders feels it's a lot more than that. It's a rock-solid platform that will carry up to 100 lbs/45 Kg at highway speeds and down rough gravel/dirt roads. However, my experience so far is-like any good ornamentation-it attracts a lot of attention! So maybe I agree with you on that sub-point. 2) Maybe you meant the ADV1 needs more ornamentation? Nah, can't agree with you there...we're focused on function over form. Thanks!
What is it for?
I understand why you'd be confused based off this one video-this just shows our final assembly of our first prototype (a very exciting day for us). The ADV1 is intended to be like a roof rack for your motorcycle. You attach panniers, coolers, dry bags, bicycles, kayaks...whatever you dream up to the trailer. A better video that shows it in action carrying some stuff is at kzhead.info/sun/hdCznJqKr2R_m4k/bejne.html. And thank you for noticing and mentioning the work we've put into this!
ПОНТЫ ! .... угла не дали на сочленении, полезное место забрали и поставили амар.... из плюсов только красота изделия....
Okay...for you English speakers out here, here is what Google says about the above comment, "SHOW OFF ! .... they didn’t give a corner at the articulation, they took away a useful place and put amar .... from the pluses, only the beauty of the product ...." I have a hard time interpreting these non-English comments because I don't know the cultural context. As I see it, with a certain tone of voice, "Show off" could be a complement, as in "You did something great, and I'm playfully complementing that greatness by saying you're showing off. But I'm sure you know I'm joking and remember, this is actually a compliment!" And, it could obviously mean the opposite. But I will channel my inner Ted Lasso and assume it's a complement! Then I'm up against a few things that definitely got lost in translation. We didn't give a corner at the articulation? I guess that means we didn't show the hinge flexing? The engineering side of me could go on and on about the hinge's role in the trailer, but let's just say the hinge doesn't move all the much unless you're doing a u-turn, and yes, the hinge does articulate. If "articulation" is "your thing" we'll do a u-turn video sometime soon. Okay, the next comment is a bit cryptic. I'm not sure which useful place we took away, but no matter where it is, I will likely not agree! ;-) But, the last part about the ADV1 being beautiful...THANK YOU!
Constructive criticism? To make and go through the trouble of making something like this… a lot of work guys… but, when your through, only to have the room equivalent to one saddlebag? Not sure it’s worth the effort in my opinion… just saying.
I understand why you'd think this based off this video-this just shows our final assembly of our first prototype (a very exciting day for us). The ADV1 (new name due to trademark issues) is intended to be like a roof rack for your motorcycle. You attach panniers, coolers, dry bags, bicycles, kayaks...whatever you dream up to the trailer. A better video that shows it in action carrying some stuff is at kzhead.info/sun/hdCznJqKr2R_m4k/bejne.html. And thank you for noticing and mentioning the work we've put into this!
Un poco feo nada mas
Hang on Jose...let's not get personal! Do you say your friends' kids could be better looking too? 😉 Our trailer isn't intended to win beauty contests...it's intended to carry your stuff, and it will do that very, very well. The trailer also looks very different when it's got panniers, dry bags, coolers, rotopax, etc on it. But, I'll admit, it's our "kid"...we think it looks amazing! And, this video is of the first prototype. We're now working on prototype #2, and it will look slightly different.
Too complicated, expenssive and not practical. Lousy.
We hope your day got better. You were clearly not in a good mood when you wrote this! What you see in this video is the assembly of our very first prototype, and the very first time we pulled it. You don't see how it is intended to be used. Please see our other videos for a more well rounded view of what we're trying to accomplish. kzhead.infovideos Complicated? Another way to say that is "sophisticated." We agree with you- it is a huge leap forward in technology. Just like the phone you wrote your review on is much more complicated/sophisticated than the one you made calls with 20 years ago. All things in this world evolve. We have 7" of suspension travel and a trapezoid hinge that, together, allow us massive highway speeds and off-road handling. That is just one example of our complicated/sophisticated trailer. One more would be our t-nut system for attaching all panniers on the market plus coolers, dry bags...pretty much whatever you want to carry. Expensive? We are looking at a price of between $6000 and $7500. For some, that's an insanely high price. We do understand that. For others, those people who may own two or three $30,000 motorcycles, it will not be so expensive. Not practical? Maybe for you, but you are not everyone. Don't worry, there are people who find it practical. For those who are on extended travels (going from North Cape to Cape Town, or those riding across Canada for example) it is practical. For those who want to set up a basecamp and then go play on their unloaded bike and return to a comfortable camp, it's practical. For those maintaining hiking trails, it's practical. For those leading motorcycle tours, it's practical. Lousy? Obviously for you it is. But as the Dude says, "That's, like, just your opinion man." Those that have seen it and played with it would disagree. We disagree as well. Take it for a spin some day...maybe we'll win you over. Maybe not. We hope you eventually found something on the interwebs that made you smile.
Rokon sells a trailer similar to this.
We didn't know they were making a trailer. Thanks for pointing it out!
I don’t think it’s designed for hwy speeds but it’s a single wheel setup with an articulating hitch.
Based on this video (an old video of the assembly of our first prototype, which we've moved on from and have basically redesigned the trailer considerably), you are justified in your thought. However, I'm happy to say you're totally wrong thanks to a huge innovation we've come up with. :-) Check out the following video where we're going down the interstate at about 75 mph with 80 lbs of weight on the trailer. kzhead.info/sun/qLSSkdSBZ3ykq3A/bejne.html If you want to know how we do it, it's due to our trapezoid hinge (patent pending). We will be releasing a video about the hinge shortly, but if you'd like to see an explanation, the next link will take you to a short description of how the hinge works. kzhead.info/sun/pMt-lc2ernSDYKs/bejne.html It's showing you a section of a larger video that explains the history so far of the Pasq and the ADV1. We'd love to hear your reaction.
@@PasqAdventure I’m not incorrect. I’ve already seen your videos. I wasn’t implying that your design isn’t suitable for highway speeds… I don’t think the Rokon trailer is. It’s made specifically for the Rokon and the top speed is like 37mph… but they’ll drag that tough little trailer design just about anywhere. Yours is obviously much more advance… it’s bad ass!!! but the basic design is the same. Single wheel that trails behind easily with an articulating hitch. I’ve been riding on and off road for over 50 years and I’ve never pulled a trailer behind a motorcycle. Lol… I’m 60… thinking about a Desert X… and a crazy off road trailer like yours!