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0:00 The Ant and the Grasshoper Story
2:34 Introduction
4:20 The Past 6 Years
11:16 The Result
16:05 Pokemon: Biting More They Can Chew
20:45 Conclusion
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It’s okay, barely anyone played the game
@@notoriousDIP Rude, hehe, it actually looked like a pretty creative game, seeing it mixes the dungeon style of Zelda with rhythm elements, too.
Thank you Gireum Red for shedding light on modern Pokemon's issues. At least the anime is fairly fine. But I fear for all future remakes of past generations.
It was a pleasure to help you my friend 😊
ok does that even *count* as a zelda spinoff? I always saw it as a zelda themed sequel to crypt of the necrodancer.
Ah yes, a new installment in the "I have never seen a Korean man this upset at the Japanese since 1945" series. A personal favorite of mine for the past 3 years
I literally spit out my drink reading this 😂
Jesus
didn't know gireum was Korean. neat.
You can can say that again.
At least this time, it's for less fucked up reasons.
Looking at the physics in TOTK and SV is so astonishing. Like you could probably teach physics to an entire college block using TOTK, while the whole world trembles when you place a lettuce to a bread in SV.
I remember when SV released I was kinda disappointed by the running physics. Running feels more like sliding over the ground. It was perfect in PLA. It really surprises me how Nintendo was ok with releasing SV in this state (not because of the running but the major technical issues) while they release a monster of a game that TOTK is..
@@alexs968 so they can flex at Game Freak while still getting the muns from Pokémon just existing.
@@alexs968 I'm still incredibly salty ands let down with SV and the wasted money. I'm 34 and haven't touched Pokémon since moon. Same thing, no new ideas, no maturation. PLA however was a BLAST and just the change it needed. Actually hyped for SV thinking it would take the successful experiment that was Arceus and refine and expand. Instead it was not.
@@TheFos88 it was extremely different from the other games before it and in a good way. It’s at least my second favorite Pokémon game behind legends Arceus
@@martinasdfg2629 it definitely took the great ideas from Arceus and even expanded on them a bit yeah but the glaring issues of stability and quality just wasn't there. It is an embarrassment. I still have it in my Switch but I've yet to see a patch that makes me jump in again. To use this very video as reference, TofK is OVERKILL in both quantity and quality. The fact it runs mostly decent on the Switch is nuts to me. BotW even was crazy to me. Third party titles like Skyrim, Dying Light, Witcher 3, all are incredible and though graphics take a hit they aren't horrible if you remember what you're playing them on. The fact that Game Freak couldn't be bothered to follow up the (in my opinion) experimental PLA with the mainline scarlet/violet is beyond me. Maybe I'm too harsh, but I look at it this way - I bought PLA twice. Once for myself, and another time for my daughter, both full price. I spent over 100hrs in PLA on my own. Freaking loved it. By contrast, I tried Violet for just under 40. So some good time, but it was all I could handle. Either way, I'm still holding out for it. They can do better.
A thing I really like in TOTK is how just about every sidequest NPC can be found in other parts of the world and theyll be like 'oh hey, thanks for helping me out with that thing back at place!' Really makes the world feel alive.
That's really cool!
Meanwhile in Pokémon, most NPCs are rooted in place like fungi.
@@jayde4872Even those have underground networks of mycelium and spread via spores in their caps. The NPCs in Pokémon do not....and I agree.
I also really like how whenever there’s certain weather conditions, they’ll bring it up when talking to you! Like, “I know you can’t really see him because it’s raining…” “this weather is perfect to rest in, but…”
YEA i remember if you save lurelin village and repair it, the wife and husband from hateno village will move over there and thank you for saving the village and gives an additional side quest. I love the amount of detail in the game for the npcs
This reminds me of that one SpongeBob episode in which Neptune cooked a huge amount of burgers in a moment, meanwhile, SpongeBob was carefully making only one and it took his time besides doing it with love and passion. At the end, Neptune did technically won because he cooked a lot more than SpongeBob but when he tried SpongeBob’s burger Neptune was so delighted that he admitted defeat
Perfect analogy.
It's so funny how Spongebob has a fitting scene for like all the things in life XD
I really want to see someone make a video about this now
He loved it so much, he even ate it a second time. *_"BLAGHH.... NOMF"_*
@@SomeKZheadTraveler that also fits in the analogy, because pokemon modern games have almost zero value on replaying, meanwhile Tloz Botw or Totk, it’s almost a new a fantastic experience every time
A pkmn game with four years of development would be amazing.
I prefer five years, but at the very least four. Because the main Pokemon games at most needs one extra year of polishing.
Bu-bu-bu-but anual releases!
Diamond and Pearl had 4 years
No it won't. What Pokémon needs is a change in developers entirely
169 workers is bad. Like really bad when everyone else have like 5x or more their roster
I keep telling all my friends, with the release of ToTK I was very happy as a Zelda fan, but very angry as a Pokémon fan lmao
It baffles me how idiots actually blamed the switch for the games issues instead of GF's own ineptitude. The console already had botw and xenoblade 3, both games having much more consistent action and detail in their larger worlds, and yet they function and perform significantly better. The switch is outdated and in need of a stronger console dont get me wrong, but it wasn't at fault for any of scar/vios short comings. The fact they still haven't addressed it in a video anywhere, but they had the nerve to charge $35 for dlc we've not even seen gameplay of, shows you everything you need to know. Respect to the employees and devs who are doing what they can, but the higher ups of TPC and GF are just awful.
But you poke-dweebs are gonna buy the game anyway because its pokepoo
@@darcidious99I love the fact that the devs are finally catching a break
Imagine if Scarlet and Violet had the same amount of time as TotK, and imagine if they had put in that same detail
Like
One awesome that TOTK did was that NPCs would just mention random things they’ve seen/heard nearby that’s not part of a quest. The text isn’t highlighted red like with main and side quests, it’s in the text, and when you investigate it it turns out to be really cool! It rewards exploration. There’s no big red arrow telling you to go there, it’s just the player and their curiosity, love it.
Seeing a clip of Tears of the Kingdom and Legends Arceus side by side is mind boggling... You can see the MASSIVE quality difference in graphics for two games with very similar aesthetic styles.
I'm so glad I finished PLA at least until the credits a week before TotK came out... I can't imagine I'll be able to go back and finish the Volo postgame. Too stark a contrast.
not just graphics everything is leagues apart in terms of quality
@@Hadeto_AngelRust Yeah true XD
the attention to detail in ToTK is something you wish every game dev put into their game.
A pokemon game made by Nintendo epd and monolithsoft like Zelda games would be amazing
Mr Gimmick 1992 on the nes oddly has that level of detail
Yea if you spend 6 years building a game and another 6 years to launch a dlc. Even I can make a better game in 12 years. Probably coding it solo.
@@TonyStark-st2ev then do it. Make a game the size of totk all by yourself if you think it's that easy
@@TonyStark-st2ev Undertale broke the internet by the amount of details it has
I was playing Spirit Tracks on the DS, and the AI and walk cycles from that ancient DS Zelda game, is still more advanced then anything from modern Pokémon.
they're allergic to animated cutscenes or moves
@@seabirdflutter how ironic!
TBH I actually kinda liked the little twists in TotK, when you realize that this game *isn't* actually 'Gannon stole the princess go save them', its 'Gannon has begun to topple the entire kingdom in a legitimately threatening way, go save the entire damn kingdom' And its not just like, with the presence of monsters, Hyrule has dealt with that before. Bro is actually commiting war crimes like polluting the water, becoming a drug dealer, forcefully cutting supply lines to starve a village, and literally giving a population drugs to render everyone incapable and incapacitated. This game ain't about the princess anymore Link...
You know, you should probably play Ocarina of Time, you may end up surprised
The story of TotK is literally about climate change, pollution, drugs and... undead i guess. Edit: also it's literally a Legend OF Zelda which is pretty cool
Yeah, it sounds like OoT
@@genderenigma8276where's the drugs side quest?
@@calebkaminski6951 Hint: It's not a side quest, it'a a main quest.
I'm really glad you touched on the NPC behavior. This is something that heavily bugs me in most games, Pokémon included. It is even worse when devs spend so much time making an environment look pretty, but have NPC basically be zombies. Zelda BotW/TotK's NPC's actually have routines and react to the environment around them which makes everything more believable and immersive. You don't get that by adding better graphics. Pokémon is neither a graphical showcase nor a design showcase. It just kind of half-asses everything.
agreed
Genshin Impact of all things did some upgrades on NPC behavior a while back. (ok, not really NPCs so much as overworld mobs but point still stands they behave more like living things now)
@@SonnyFRST Oh, that's awesome!
Pokemon was created for the sole purpose of milking money. It is THE LITERAL DEFINITION of a cash cow.
@@zeal9442 I get that now xD As a kid in the 90's I sure didn't. There is so much potential to this series too.
Nintendo actually didnt make Minish Cap, or even the Oracle games. They were all developed by Capcom, which is pretty crazy.
capgod is goated.
minish cap was an underrated masterpiece and deserves a proper remake
@@vollied4865fr, a hd remake akin to links awakening, but with an emulated style like the gba game would be amazing
@@RealPlasmat1c I prefer Minish Cap still being 2D rather 3D
@@Leez-ur7nm idk how a minish cap remake would work then without 3d models, the 2d sprites are already gorgeous
*"A delayed game is eventually good, but a rushed game is forever bad."* - Shigeru Miyamoto
that's usually true except games like windwaker, majora's mask and melee are really good despite being rushed
@@nascour5991 Too bad the same can't be for modern Pokemons for over the past six years. I don't see it changing anytime soon, or more likely ever.
@@nascour5991 And that is Because the Authors weren't lazy but instead they cared for their franchises. Unfortunately, Game Freak doesn't...
@@nascour5991 To be fair, the LoZ games actually focused more on `innovation` then repeating the formula. Even when a good deal of them had almost the same layout, refer to Gameboy series of games aka back during Gameboy Color and Gameboy advance, they usually had some sizable differences in terms of game mechanics and even the artstyle tweaks on top of it would help to flesh them out better then feeling too much like a copy-pasta that some of the pokemon games could of felt like without jumping a LARGE number of generations, where they were technically making the game 2-3 times over up to Diamond/Pearl/Platinum till they did a sort of asset rehash kitbash of sorts when we got Black/White TWO as two games instead of just a `Gray version`. Some games in a sequential series of `mainline` can repeat a formula, but they usually EVOLVE the concept that it greatly shakes up base of the game, not added to it and remove elements constantly. Which the first half was how everything up to Diamond/Pearl for the most part and Black/White was kind of the start of them starting the process of dropping elements to the next title with X/Y making said elements REALLY part of the `main game formula` but dropping them for some other gimmick that usually ended up being much more watered down. Plus since Majoras mask and SSB`Melee were titles created off the back of previous entries which retained most of what said games performed, they atleast had alot more room for development since they did not have to be built from scratch too much. Technically same with Wind waker but only to a lesser extent. Honestly its the same argument alot of things in media(as far as i can tell) these days can be applied to: -People want a fun title, not a bunch of baggage attached to it. -Seriously, you could make a game as high depth in graphics as you can, but if your just basically playing some game that is worst then a PS1 era action game and on top of that it needs 6~24+ months to bake some more for bug quashing, well i think i would rather stick to the game that came out this year, art-style looks like its from the PS1 era, but it plays like a game that 10 or even 50 years ahead of its time in terms of polish (Kind of why im sure plenty of people got attached to games like the Metal Gear solid series and what not). -A single quality game polished extensively will always beat a collection of repeat-a-games that might as well be legacy collection titles, that they somehow introduced ten times more bugs to it, despite supposedly not `doing anything to the base games,` yet the minor tweaks they did to change up text or cram them into one physical disc/cartridge somehow broke them extensively.
@@nascour5991 Majora's mask at least I imagine only suffered in the way that it required the expansion pak, which at the end of the day is something of a bonus.
As a big fan of Pokemon series, I am so mad of how right and on point you are! Every time I see any walkthrough of ToTK (haven't picked up the game yet) it's a reminder of what Pokemon could be and decides not too. I did played BotW... still, 6 years after, it looks way better than SV! Pokemon is the biggest videogame franchise, there is no excuse for them. The fans deserve better
yes fans deserve better, but we know you'll still buy the next pokemon. now open that wallet up you useful sucker!!
There’s a way to sped up development naturally
@@leonardofarias8843 yes, but "speeding up development" doesn't mean to sacrifice QA in sake of agility. And that game is poorly tested. And I don't blame the developers, I'm sure they did their very best given the circumstances. All these sounds more like people on the top of Gamefreak decided that the Pokemon are cows with endless milk and want to squish them until the very end, resulting in soulless games and, probably even bad conditions for the developers.
@@upakon7001 I started thinking about this when Sword and Shield were new games, and QA never crossed my mind
@@upakon7001 I would never sacrifice them
You know, while breath of the wild wasn’t my favourite game ever and I had my issues with it, I can still see and appreciate the love, passion and dedication that was put into the game. Tears of the kingdom has been a far more enjoyable experience for me because it takes what I didn’t like about the previous game and fixes a lot of it and adds way more content than I ever thought would be here. Aounuma and the Zelda team put tons of passion into their games and will release them when they’re ready to come out. Pokémon has zero excuses for the lack of passion that comes from these games and their shocking lack of quality and polish. Playing tears of the kingdom makes me realize more and more how little of an excuse GameFreak has
Yeah passion makes a game’s move much better
As a Pokémon fan, I completely agree. Now that the anime has taken a new direction perhaps, PERHAPS things might be allowed to actually cook. Wouldn’t hold my breath though. Picked up Scarlet 3 or 4 months after launch only to find that it was still broken. It still is now. TOTK GOTY
My thoughts exactly
They could've already done better when the anime disconnected with Galar for the most part with Journeys...Journeys being a 3 year sub-series already gave it problems when it probably works for like an 8 to 9 year buildup IMO.
You know it's really bad when out of all things, the anime which is honestly unimaginative, lazily written, tedious to watch through, keeps repeating the same episode story beats over and over, and was the last show I thought would take risks went to a new leaf while the games become more and more uninspired yearly release husks. As someone who always liked the games better than the anime, that kinda turned around now in gen 9.
@@nothinghappened7599 bro liked the game more than the anime 😭
Yeah Imagine being a Pokémon fan.
We seriously need more companies that have executives that ACTUALLY PLAY THEIR OWN GAMES. Imagine if you could sit a big wig down and force him to play the game he thought would only need 1-2 years of development 20-30 million of funding, and a team of 150 people, expecting flawless results? (I know there's probably some game out there with this EXACT specifications that turned out well, (halo 2?) BUT MY POINT STILL STANDS!!!)
But halo 2 sucks ass on the difficulty department, playing on heroic or legendary it’s just not fun at all and playing on normal feels WAY TOO EASY and almost a bit boring, it has a good story, soundtrack and gameplay but it’s still a huge letdown :/
They would just blame the devs for not working hard enough, probably. They don't know jack about game development and probably think you just hit a few buttons to make a new move in Pokemon. Wouldn't change anything because they don't really care so long as it makes money, which S/V did.
bro they wouldnt care bc they dont even have the time to play video games man
@@modelingcloy218 I have a hard time believing those CEOs are too busy to find a few hours every year or so to play the game themselves.
What is worse about the 169 Developers part is: When Gamefreak (or any studio) is working on games they usually divide in teams to work on multiple projects. This essentially means that there were even less people involved in seperate games. Arceus and Scarlet Violet have been made from different teams within Gamefreak.
I'd say the fact that Xenoblade has released almost as many mainline games as Pokemon in between the releases of both Zelda games and still come out amazing while also assisting on other big Nintendo games goes to show how talented Monolithsoft is compared to Gamefreak. Granted Monolithsoft's staff had greatly increased since BotW and Xenoblade 2 to the point that they can work on so many projects. But I do think Gamefreak really needs to start increasing the size of their development teams if they really want to be more ambitious with Pokemon. It may have been easier during the sprite era, but in the 3D era, it's a lot harder. I honestly think comparing Pokemon to Xenoblade is better since they both occupy the same genre as JRPGs. Whereas Zelda is mainly action adventure.
What kills me - what just absolutely KILLS me - is that Legends Arceus had so much potential to be the reinvigorating force for open world Pokemon. Yet they rolled back the live catching and dex building, or you know, the _best thing about that game,_ immediately after that one. edit: I am aware the games were developed at the same time. But the very fact that there _was_ another mainline game being developed to not have this amazing feature in the first place is the problem. Not only do they not have the manpower to develop two massive open worlds simultaneously as the vid pointed out, but it shows they aren't willing to take true leaps forward with their formula in the main series. They can dip their toes in great ideas, but never more than that. So while I want live catching to return, and while I wish it does, I doubt it will outside of Legends. If I'm proven wrong I'll be very, very happy
That's Pokémon for ya. They've been doing that since X & Y; removing good features in favour of inferior ones. where've you been?
@@bandicootsauce4569 I say BW although the base quality there is good so it was somewhat tolerable.
@Bandicoot Sauce Oh, I know they waste cool mechanics all the time. But live catching is one of those things that's a real, genuine advancement of the Pokemon formula. It's the kinda shit I'd speculate about with friends at the lunch table because we all thought they'd never go that far. Something like that being a one-time thing just stings so much more.
They didn't even really roll it back, both games were developed basically simultaneously. There's a good chance the mechanic does come back if the devs liked it seeing as the players did, but until the games get more than like a year and a half to be made they're still going to be fraught with missed potential.
Tbh the games were made by different people at the same time. We have to wait for gen 10 and see what they took from LA.
I grew up with both of these series and playing them on GameCube was arguably the best time of my gamer life. These days, I have abandoned the Pokémon series entirely while I still play every new Zelda game. Zelda wants to push gaming forward; Pokémon wants to push product down an assembly line.
I hate that you're so right about what you said. Honestly the 6th generation of video games as a whole had some of the most versatile genres out there and a game for everyone. It still is today but it's mainly indie games now because the AAA market NOW is *nearly* a fucking catastrophe with trendy, broken and unfinished games that I rarely bother to buy a new game due to the lack of interest. Only game I got this year that is recent WAS ToTK for my aging switch lite. Last Pokémon game I got was Ultra Moon which I really liked it (didn't play the OG Sun/Moon when it came out) but as soon I saw the direction for the Pokémon games I took a leap back and look at other RPG games for the Switch like DQXI and Digimon, and I don't even regret my purchase at all. Pokémon SHOULD of bring my full attention but the more I see it half-assed the products the more I look somewhere else.
You are absolutely right. And unfortunately this strategy still works: Scarlet and Violet were the worst pokemon in the franchise (in terms of bugs/bad graphics) and still sold millions of copys in one week.
Same. Honestly, I refuse to buy any more Pokémon games because it's basically the same game over and over with different titles. Will it kill then to get creative with the storyline? It's so repetitive. Mom moved into new home, talk to the old guy and get a starter pokemon, meet rival, wash, rinse, repeat.
You what's really sad That if the Pokemon Company decided to invest the necessary time and management, they only need to work hard ONCE, let me explain Create unique animations for all the mons, attack animations, and rework the battle system, all of this yes it's a lot of work but they would have to do it once why? Because to this day people LOVE the animations in Pokemon Stadium and no one was bothered by the reused animations in Pokemon XD Then what they only need to focus on is new mechanics, new mons, new story linen and map Because even when they "update" some movie's animations people just want the old one back
@@haaxxx9 A issue with the npcs is them repeating large amounts of text before you can leave
I dont think Masuda can remain blameless like you say, he's gone on the record to say that he appreciates smaller teams to work with cause it's easier to manage or something like that. And while that was fine for 3ds games or even games like swsh, now that they're making fully open world games that's not gonna fly, and scarlet/violet is proof of that. Im sure if Masuda wanted to he could get more people to work on the games, but he simply doesn't want to.
Yup, stubborn donkey holding back the potential of their devs by not letting them have enough time + additional workforce to help the team.
He was also the only original staff guiding ILCA in the butchered remake. He was likely the only person "of importance" that had any kind of hands on on that game. And not only he was ok with the choice, he was ok with the direction and the way it released. Which in itself is already shady, because if it turned out all right "of course it is pokémon" and if it fails "well, see what happens when you ask someone that isn't gamefreak to make it?". It's some duplicitous behaviour and choice to keep their bread and butter exclusively in their hands since every other franchise they touch underperforms.
Masuda left Gamefreak, he's in TPC now. Hope that this actually frees Gamefreak up a bit.
Masuda this Masuda that, as if a single person is responsible for the actual state of SV and surely there aren't any higher ups pushing the game for release earlier because of that sweet christmas season money
@@plaguedoc9797 It's true. There is absolutely no way that Masuda is the only responsible for it. But he's up there. As the director he's signing off on the games quality, as if they are what was intended. And he's was also failing in bridging and communicating with TPC if they had to push back for more time. But you're right. Ohmori and Ishihara are probably to blame too. And more people we don't know the names of too. But people get unbelievably mad if you just say that the whole company is doing a bad thing. So there's no winning.🤷♂
Zelda's NPC system is actually incredible. They react to almost any situation properly. Not like a generic reaction to everything. I was extremely blown away when even quest dialog is changed to fit different situations. Tears of The Kingdom will undoubtedly be one of the greatest games of all time.
No spoilers but I walked into an area that started a dialogue without me knowing and I accidentally found an Easter egg based on what I was wearing, it was awesome
Once thing I dislike is how NPCs will constantly get scared of you using your arm-powers. I was toying around with vehicles at the Terry Twon Race Track and that one NPC kept screaming and running into the water, come back a minute later, then just walked around while i kept doing stuff and randomly got scared of me using the telekenisis again at some point.
@@GameBreaker1055 My biggest issue is some NPC's repeating large blocks of hint text. Like the stable keepers having multiple pages of dialog when trying to leave.
@@GameBreaker1055 i mean, might be a bit annoyinh gameplay wise but it makes sense and arguably makes the game feel more alive as they react pretty believably to some random traveller with a weird arm suddenly making shit float with said arm
@@Sopsy_Hallow Oh, ONCE would be believable, but that's not what I said. He gets scared, runs off, comes back a minute later acting like everything is normal, does not react to me still using the Ulstrahand for around 2 minutes and then is scared again randomly, repeating the same cycle over and over and over again.
I will say that legends Arceus was an enjoyable pokemon game. I can only dream of how good it would be it was loved and polished
While I do agree about the legends arceus point, it is very bizarre to say that the most enjoyable Pokemon game out of 4 released in the span of 6 years is the one that doesn't even include gym challenges or actuel trainer battles.
@@O.D25 people just liked the catching mechanics and it's artstyle and maybe the lore too, plus the past characters resembling a lot of present characters was cool to see too
YES! It is the only Pokémon game that dared to evolve the gameplay of the franchise in any significant way! It definitely lacked polish, but the foundation and the structure of a great game is there. I would love to see GF let Monolith Soft make the next "Legends" game. They can keep pumping out lazy dribble, but it'd be cool if a team spent a long and arduous time on an ambitious and truly NEW feeling Pokémon experience!
@@theamazingspooderman2697 Frankly the lore is mess, and Lavonton and Volo should be tossed in the dumpster. What they state is massively contradictory with the rest of the franchise.
@@andresmarrero8666What’s contradictory?
What's insane is Monolith Soft helped with Breath of The Wild and Tears of The Kingdom while working on Xenoblade Chronicles 2, that game's dlc, Xenoblade Chronicles Definitive Edition, Xenoblade Chronicles 3, and it's dlc.
It is insane with their 300+ employees I think that they can assist in different "exploration assets" for different games and still make them good or great IMO.
They also even asisted a bit in animal crossing and the splatoon games. They have some serious talent there.
@@tahamohammad8842 Animal Crossing? that game which launched with one island per console?
@@leonardofarias8843 i said they asisted, they’re not the primary developers of new horizons, they were also working in xenoblade 1 definitve edition and 3 at the same time. I was more so pointing out how they manage to work on so many games as a support studio and consistently make some of my favorite games of all time with games like xenoblade 2 and 3.
Wow devs that arent dumbfucks can do good work?
I think a major part of the reason why modern Zelda does open world so well is because it's backed by Monolith Soft, who has a lot of experience in creating huge open environments. The npcs who actually live in the world and adhere to schedules? That's something Monolith Soft had been doing since the release of Xenoblade Chronicles for the Wii.
Monolith is responsible for a lot of technology for otimzation. She is in almost main games of nintendo as a support studio, if you see their recent portfolio update.
Monolith has basically carried the switch at this point, most of Nintendo's biggest titles (Totk, Botw, Animal Crossing, Splatoon) have them in the credits.
@@Zxanonbladeand yet they still have the time and effort to make a fantastic JRPG series (including my all time favorite game, Xenoblade Chronicles 2).
Monolith Soft is the 🐐 for the switch at this point
Every single Nintendo game has so much polish and care, except for Pokemon, arguably their largest series. I understand Nintendo only owns 1/3 of Pokemon, but does that mean the other companies are really pushing for this lack of quality? If it were up to Nintendo I doubt this would happen given their track record.
Yes. The games and anime are tied to the TCG and merchandise releases because that makes way, way more money. The games and anime are just glorified ads for the TCG and toys.
Mario is Nintendo most profitable franchise not Pokémon and Zelda legit could pass Pokémon if their game keep on improving
@@gregoryfuller9736 Nintendo only owns 1/3 of Pokemon, so yes Mario is more profitable to them. And purely as a game franchise, including all the sub-IPs under the Mario brand, yes Mario is bigger as a game series. But Pokemon is a significantly larger IP in general. Because of the anime, TCG, and merch. Combined, Pokemon is the highest grossing media franchise in the world. That's _all_ media.
I mean, Pokemon sells no matter what... Honestly, I think they might be cutting costs every time to see how much they can squeeze out of it
@@GameBreaker1055 no, Scarlet and Violet definitely cost way more to develop than the prior games. They just had next to no time to do it in. Especially for an open world game.
Now that’s some quality over quantity video
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4:00 I’m not entirely sure how, but while playing through scarlet I actually thought it looked pretty good, then you put it next to Zelda and it looks like a Roblox game
I think that's because when you get into a game you learn to tolerate things, at least when it's fun, and the pokemon formula can unfortunately be quite addicting (which is why people keep paying for trash like SV).
after i beat the game in totk (and botw) i liked to just walk around the villages and places and truly immerse myself, it was suprisingly fun and relaxing, cant say the same about pokemon violet though (the only one i bought)
Dude I feel like the same, now I dont care about Ganon or Zelda, im living my best life on Hyrule lol, meeting people, listening to the OST, vibing around large grass fields, just walking and... idk, what kind of gameplay is this? Appreciation gameplay? For me this is like looking at a beautiful painting or reading a bice book, humans staring at art.
Out of all the things that are amazing in BotW and TotK, the fact that you can't continue exploring the world after you finish the game, and you're forced to go to the save before you defeat ganon, is one of the only complaints I have about the game. I don't know a single other open world game that decided to do it this way, and it's kinda jarring.
my favorite thing to do was light a blue-flame torch, hop on my horse, and see how far I could carry it. I felt like a merchant with their goods, running from rain and enemies. It was great.
I think the Pokemon thing is also partially due to very strict release schedules. Seeing they have to line up with Creatures Inc, and Nintendo.
The anime already does its own thing to think it's independent.
Nintendo's whole philosophy is "if it ain't ready don't release it". And Creatures is more or less "on demand" for Pokémon. Their work boils down to making 3D models for Game Freak. This kind of behaviour is between TPC and GameFreak. TPC deals with the TCG, the anime, a bazillion spinoffs, plushies, clothes. They could survive; it's a lot less likely to be them, or them exclusively. GameFreak seems to be the one to benefit the least with sparse teams and crushing deadlines, but honestly they're the ones afraid to lose their bread and butter. Every other Game Freak project was a commercial failure and they have realized that other companies can make better Pokémon games than they can. They're riding the wave while they can.
How many times do we have to rehash this. Gamefreak owns the Pokemon IP and The Pokemon Company. They're not gonna lose anything because no one can take it away from them.
@@PlinPlinPlon97 How many times do I have to rehash this? TPC is a split venture between Game Freak, Creatures and Nintendo. They still have to reason to the other 2/3 of the owners why loosening release schedules will make more money (it won't).
@@fujinshu I mean Creatures are basically sedentary and Nintendo has been known to take their time (Animal Crossing NH Luigi's Mansion 3 and ToTK are said to be delayed) and the only latest Game Freak exclusive game made in New Town Hero looked pretty rushed I say GF seems to be the problem here IMO.
Masuda was a producer, and now is a higher up at the Pokémon company. He's been a suit for a long time
Also Gamefreak owns a large percentage of the Pokémon company. Satoshi Tajiri is CEO at Gamefreak, which isn't publically traded. Meaning he has lots of freedom to make things better but chooses not to use it
he made some jams in dpp tho
“So it’s not filled with bugs” “Oh, Eiji, my dear friend, we are literally bugs ourselves. And the original creator Satoshi loves the insects.”
I also hate how every other monster catcher gets completely overshadowed by Pokemon. Yokai Watch, TemTem, and Monster Hunter Stories were always labeled as the potential "Pokemon killer" and that's always part of the reason they eventually fall into obscurity. Most people don't like Pokemon because it's a monster catcher, they like it because it's Pokemon.
Its funny how Hi Fi Rush absolutely massacred both Pkm SV and Forspoken in term of reception while costing only a fraction of the formers. Really showed how good writing and polish can go a long way
I still need to finish that game. I love it.
Funny enough that it was published by the guys who go…It Just Works. (AKA Bethesda.)
@@matttheaquaflame4626 "16 times the honesty" - Todd Howard
Hi Fi Rush is awesome
Most annoying part? They HAVE spin off franchises they could outsource! Pokemon pinball, Pokemon mystery dungeon, Pokemon puzzle league, Pokemon rangers, Pokemon battle Stadium, Pokemon channel (THAT ONE could have been the base for Pokemon HOME.) It's so depressing seeing and knowing that Game freak has cashed in their passion and creativity in fast and low-effort cash....
I miss Pokemon Pinball, and the Pokemon TCG could've been an interesting third-party RPG subseries, IMO.
I just want another Conquest. A Conquest themed game with Fire Emblem characters will surely be a hit
It's nuts how the fandoms for these spin off franchises still have not given up hope that they will get a new game.
@@spacejunk2186 well pmd is still thriving, it's a huge profit compared to other spinoff games and even had a remake. A pokemon made a remake of a spin off game. Not a sequel like snap. A remake. That's how good pokemon mystery dungeon sells, compared to a spin off series
And the stadium series is perfect for VGC, it comes with wifi battles
While this game initially seems like it retcons the previous timeline, I actually think there is a plausible explanation for it to work with the previous games. Because BOTW and TOTK are set so incredibly far from the Era of Legend when all the other games are, I don’t think it’s that impossible that Hyrule was destroyed at some point before being refounded by Rauru (similar to how Hyrule is destroyed in the Wind Waker before being reformed as new Hyrule before the events of Spirit Tracks). In fact this would thematically make sense and emphasize the endless and inescapable cyclical apocalypticism of Demise’s Curse. No matter how many thousands and thousands of years pass, the kingdom of Hyrule can never thrive and yet never fully die because the Blood of the Goddess and the Spirit of the Hero are eternally reincarnated to fight the Incarnation of Malice. Plus we know the previous games in the series did happen in some way shape or form because legend of them has survived to the current time and led to the creation of the former BOTW dlc and amiibo items that are now in the base game of TOTK by the royal family before being stolen by Misko the Great Bandit.
Gonna screen shot this lore bit for later
Essentially. Like, this is far from the first iteration of the Kingdom of Hyrule. The _land_ of Hyrule has almost always been, but the kingdom has risen and fallen repeatedly. Hylia’s pre-Skyward Sword, the "original" Hyrule post-Skyward Sword, New Hyrule after it fell in Wind Waker, the revitalized Hyrule after Ganon made it a wasteland in the original LoZ-
Wow that makes me really sad. Poor Link and Zelda.
I say that BotW/TotK is basically a soft reboot.
i Think that Breath of the Wild was so good, that it lived a longer time span for a game, with people dedicating 100+ hours, and late switch owners playing it for the first time in the next years. Also, the remakes, although not made by the same team, helped keep the interest for players who wanted more games, and not only that Hyrule Warriors was very well received by the general public for its take on the lore of Breath of the Wild, and its portrayal of the war. Everyone was just happy to wait for Tears of the Kingdom to be ready, knowing it would be great.
An even easier example is xenoblade 3, another rpg which is also one of the greatest games ever created, with a phenomenal, combat system and some of the best side quests I have ever seen, tons of detail in the most random places and phenomenal world and environmental design(the sheer joy I had when I got to the erythia sea is unreal) and unlike pokemon, some of the coolest uses of nostalgia/fanservice. It also has by far the best dlc(I think it’s alot better than torna because the community system doesn’t stop the game in it’s tracks like torna’s does) I’ve seen in any game with future redeemed. If you haven’t, please play xenoblade 3. It is worth every cent.
This comment got me interested. I may.
100% agreed with everything you’ve said. In my eyes, Xenoblade is basically Nintendo’s JRPG representation at this point with the amount of quality and skill that goes into each game compared to Pokemon, which has little to none.
@@soberclover1233great, you should play xenobalde. Xenoblade 2 after playing it very quicklh became one of my favorite games of all time, like in my top ten(and still is) and I think xenoblade 3 is my favorite game of all time. The stories of these games and their gameplay is so incredible that their lack of anyone talking about them beguiles me. Though if I did get you interested in xenoblade 3, I would give one piece of advice, play 1 or 2 beforehand. While xenoblade 3 is perfectly enjoyable as a standalone adventure due to it being set in a different world with a different cast than 1 or 2, certain parts of the game become infinitely cooler if you’ve played at least one of the games or both, and the game’s dlc campaign(future redeemed) outright spoiles major parts of those games(moreso 1 than 2). If you choose to play 3 before any others that’s perfectly fine, you’ll still have an amazing time, but I think it’ll be that much cooler if you’ve played at least one game before hand. One last tidbit though, if you do want to play xenoblade 3 first, DO NOT look up those “all the lore you need to know before getting into xenoblade 3” videos. They aren’t necessary as the game explains all of it’s lore well enough in it’s cutscenes and those videos also have to spoil aspects about xenoblades 1 and 2 which might ruin those experiences as well which is completely unnecessary for 3 because it’s still enjoyable as a standalone game.
@@sketch6139the sheer quality in every xenoblade release astounds me. Like I remember people using the defence that sword and shield were developed by a small team and were rushed, but then the giga chad xenoblade 2 was developed by even less people(as the majority of people at monolith soft were on breath of the wild, to the point most articles say that the majority of the game outside of stuff like the cutscene animation and VA work was done by at most 40 people) and about as much time, given that it started development very soon after X, meaning it’s dev timeline was from june 2015(X’s japanese release) to december 2017. In comparison, sword and sheild has about half of gamefreak behind it(about 70 people) and a slightly longer development period(based on the fact it was announced to be in development in 2017 the same year as ultra sun and moon, we can assume they were developed after sun and moon so I’d say it’s dev timeline was from November 2016-2019). The fact that 2 is still so much better astounds me given how little manpower it had for most of it’s development, to the point they literally had no in house artists.
I agree that Xenoblade 3 is a good game but it has several issues as well. The map is unnecessary huge in some areas, terrible villians, way too long cutscenes, forced relationships, no real cities except one, the treasure chests are most of the time pointless, money has no value etc. As I said Xenoblade 3 is good and everyone should play it but it's not perfect.
11:42 well the idea of having something that works like this isnt *that* crazy, what's crazy is the fact its on the switch, and the fact it doesnt start chugging every time you make a vehicle with too many parts.
it does lag if you have a lot of fire or frost emitters because of the particles, and certain areas of the game are more taxing, but it isnt at all a game problem, but a hardware problem.
@@tysoncook5152 the games only designed to be on switch so yes its a game problem they gotta design the game around the hardware they have and not what they could have
@@kotzer71 i see your point. thing is under the majority of conditions the game runs fine, so the devs probably thought the fidelity was worth the occasional lag moment. that is just speculation though.
Tbf the max limit for builds is 21 objects/ zonai devices
I heard somebody say this on a podcast recently. They should do a lets go game one year, a legends game the next, then a mainline game after that. If they could add at least 1 more type of game to the mix the better. The way theyre doing things now isnt working
Honestly I hope they never do a Let's Go game again because that could just cause potential development time to go to waste on a mediocre title no one will care about 5 years from now
Its working because they sell nicely. Stop buying, emulate Pokemon games and look Gamefreak go nuts tryng to make good games again
@Peruvian Potato it doesn't have to be one of those. Just something different than a mainline one that's just gonna be embarrassments like sword and shield and scarlet and violet are
I don't know what Pokemon fans need to hear this but, you can be a fan of something while admiting it has flaws.
that would be the entire fanbase
Tell that to all the fanbases of MANY Movies, Books, TV Shows, Video Games Etc!
I’m wondering when Pokemon will have a Sonic 06 moment where Game Freak releases a clearly unfinished game that is panned across the board. I know it’s unlikely but still.
Considering what they're doing now its most likely to happend
It's hard to "mess up" Pokemon being a turn based RPG; Sonic 06 had issues of being a speed platformer and adding some mechanics that didn't work well in the game didn't help IMO.
Honestly it sucks that Sonic 06 is still constantly referenced for being a trash game despite Sonic Team trying to make better games after that (I mean Sonic 06 is bad and I don't deny it but they improved in games after it, though every time they try to improve, if the game is mediocre, they compare it to Sonic 06.)
if it's likely from any nintendo franchise it'll be pokemon
It happened with Sword and Shield.
Aonuma and his Team just ascended the Game Dvelopment Olympus and they are owning that place. U know we wont see a new Zelda within the next 5 Years but u also know that if it comes its gonna be amazing again. Until than Totk and even Botw still have enough content to keep us busy.
I can see a BoTW and ToTK remaster/port or whatever coming out in the following years for the next Nintendo System with a remake of an older Zelda with a port of Wind Waker HD (it still looks really good). OoT, MM, and TP really need remakes instead of ports in todays day and age, a Metroid Prime Remastered TP game would be amazing but I doubt it and I imagine OoT 3D and MM 3D to get a remaster of those games as it’d be pretty easy to do and bundle those 2 together. The next mainline Zelda game is gonna have A LOT to hold up to so I wouldn’t be surprised if it takes them 6 years to do.
@@ChickenNuggetCancer You know, I was about to argue that Aonuma likely doesn't care about remaking OoT, MM or TPHD or even WWHD again, but considering that both the 3DS and Wii U are officially dead, I could see ports of TPHD and WWHD coming to Switch. OoT and MM seem very unlikely though considering how OoT3D is probably as close to perfection as is and Aonuma was absolutely callous in MM3D. And then there's also SSHD and the remake of LA to consider, that though the former was definitely a rather awkward port, is serviceable enough and the latter a very welcome surprise. The bottomline is that WWHD and TPHD could likely be brought over, but OoT and MM are absolute wild cards. I can see WWHD and TPHD coming along to keep the people interested while they work on the next mainline title.
Botw REALLY had a long lifespan and peop,e only stopped talking about it because totk released.
Like we're still learning new stuff about BotW. At this point I don't think we've even counted the number of trees on its map
@@grunkleg.3110 Oddly specific but yes, a good game will always have a big fanbase and a great game will stay relevant far past his living cycle. Its a bit like people that did great things live eternaly through legends - video games that are amazing live eternaly through Challenge Runs, Speedruns, Theory Crafting and just generally people wanting to talk about it. I mean look at Dark Souls. To this day DS1 is as relevant as when it came out. We still find out a few new things every now and than even though its mostly stuff like how that one tree got removed on the Remastered and replaced by a gigant dildo. And it gets still speedrunned aswell as having a decently activ online community. So yeah Botw will probably still be relevant until the Third Game comes in a few years and long past that.
I personally was surprised of how little bugs are in TOTK, after all the games that were released with millions of bugs. I've only found one, where the carriage of the travelling merchant was heads into the ground and the horse didn't move anymore, but nothing ground braking, I still was able to talk to the merchant
Pokemon needs to be handed to someone who cares and loves it, so sad to see Masuda not caring about his masterpiece.
10: 52 "Masuda and his minions" lmao I died XD
I think I would prefer it if they went back to the 2d games. That way they can keep up with the current 3 year release window per gen while being easier to make also help with not delaying the anime
ive been saying this! they probably put so much time into making like, 600 3d models... that looks HORRIBLE....
@@minou2980 yeah, plus the 2d games in general look better
@@minou2980 The models were recycled each 3D game so it's not like they do much extra work (hence the reason why they could've still added all Pokemon now).
I think the series should dial back on open world crap. Black and White are STILL the pinnacle of the series. A simple 10-15 hour experience with a good story.
seriously, if the pokemon company is going to demand such an impossible schedule for releases, gamefreak should just say okay, then we'll give you a product that can actually be made well in that amount of time. whether that's a 2D game, or a 3D game with no new pokemon, or no open world- whatever. but let them make the announcement, directly cite the impossible schedule that TPC demands from them as the reason, and then see if TPC reconsiders after seeing how poorly that announcement would be received. imagine if botw or totk had been released after 1-3 years of development? they would have been unplayable heaps of trash. (and the zelda team actually had significant assistance from monolith soft in development, who are experts are open world design. for whatever reason, gamefreak refuses to bring in outside help for tasks that they clearly have no fucking idea how to do)
Your Pokémon video essays are the best out there
It amazes me that TOTK ended up being as popular as it is. I never noticed how much it exploded online or any hype because i was always neckdeep in the Zelda fandom. It was hilarious how deprived we were without content and suddenly the whole fandom would collectively revive at the smallest scrap of information. Anyway I’m now gonna cry in a corner as I try to understand what happened to the lore and as I await theories to help me cope with all this new content
New Hyrule a la Spirit Tracks, new Ganondorf a la Four Swords Adventures. There you go!
I agree with every point in this video, and would like to add a few more: 1. Pokémon has put itself in a difficult position by becoming the most profitable franchise. All the deadlines and philosophy of production won’t change until they see the sales numbers dropping. 2. Maybe this is a bad take, but I believe we got two amazing Zelda games because Nintendo makes a lot of money with Pokémon. If you think about managing a company that sells different products, it is in your best interest to have a product that makes easy money, and one that brings more attention to you. Maybe even games like Nintendo Labo and other “outside of the box” games only hit the shelves because the company were in a healthy financial growth.
Technically speaking pokemon is not owned by Nintendo, not entirely at least So i highly doubt is the case
You could think having more Money would motivate to do better in the one Thing that Brings you the Most Money. Sorry, but i think what you Said isn't right. Just an assumption to again defend Pokemon. People really need to Stop buying Just because of nostalgia.
@@mlem6951 the problem with pokemon is that literally 80% of their revenue comes from the merchandise And if I'm not mistaken 15% from the anime So the game is literally just thrown out as soon as possible only to release the actual money making stuffs
@@robertomacetti7069 I feel like they can come up with a strategy where they release new Pokemon BEFORE the games. In the form of cards, the mangas, merchandise; hell, even the anime since they're not basing it off the games anymore. And then they include those Pokemon into the new game. That way they can STILL make bank from merch even if they have a longer dev cycle.
@@McCaroni_Sup maybe But i don't work at game freak, i have no clue what the fuck they are thinking
Breath of the wild and tears of the kingdom was made by the help of monolithsoft studios, who are the creators of the xenoblade series. They are a huge reason why the games are so good.
Great point. Just look at the scale and quality of Xenoblade DE, 2 and 3. I wish Game Freak asked for help with development. It would have made a great difference it seems.
@@syannejohnson6545 xenoblade x is their biggest work. That world is peak.
@@shatteredsentient5321 I still hold out hope that X will get a Switch port someday. It's just too good to be left to die on Wii U...
@@KogaHarineI doubt it now because it feels too late, but I’d be down for it to come back and if it does then the player base would be HUGE with the switch having sold 10x more than the Wii U.
@@KogaHarine why too late? Nintendo could continue to support the Switch with ports once their new console dropps
The main difference from the two is that legend of zelda games feel like they’ve come so far from Link’s awakening and ocarina of time to breath of the wild and tears of the kingdom, whereas pokemon feels almost like it got *worse* .
7:41 bruh that avgn meme is perfection
This says it all. You could also compare xenoblade to this, which is insanely impressive considereing there were 2 installments with huge DLCs during this 6 year period (as well as a remaster worked on by another studio)
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Actually definitive edition was done in house by monolith soft. It was another team in monolith soft who did it, but the company had expanded at the start of the DE’s dev period so even that game was done entirely by monolith soft.
Don't forget during that Same period they also helped with the production of splatoon 2 and 3, animal crossing new horizons, and tears of the kingdom.
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I'm amazed by this channel, keep up the good work!
I read a reddit thread about playing Pokemon Scarlet and Violet, everyone complained about how boring the game became after beating the main game. There are literally only three things to do, Shiny hunt, raids and competitive which are all kinda bad. We are so lucky to have Eiji Aonuma and his team to put actual effort and care into the products they make, they just care more about the fans having a good experience instead of money and that should be aplauded in the hellscape that is game production nowadays.
Its funny how the thing reduce to: make good games, that's the whole point. Nintendo is about making people smile, that's what they say everytime. Ive never smiled more than while playing Zelda series.
If we're talking about quantity, zelda has pokemon beat as well, TOTK has like 2.5x the content of breath of the wild, it's actually insane, even the overworld, something people thought would be the exact same as BOTW is different, other than the combat and some gimmicks I don't really like *cough cough* the equivalent to the champion's abilities and how you activate them *cough cough*, everything is just amazing and definitely, the ultra hand and fuse hand mechanics are the most impressive things I've ever seen in a game, even recall has so many uses and ascend has a lot of uses and cheating puzzle potential, it's amazing
And how much more budget?
@@leonardofarias8843 what do you mean, if you mean to imply that the pokemon company has less budget than zelda, that's false, if you're saying that zelda can do that with less budget, just because it gave the game the time it needed to be developed, I agree
@@pralenkaman8105 The game Gamefreak made in comparison to BOTW2, how much more budget?
Pretty good video overall on quality vs quantity! Another comparison I like to make is Splatoon on the Switch (though this comparison might be a bit unfair because it's a younger IP and it’s smaller in scale than Zelda and Pokemon) 2017: Splatoon 2 as a Mainline, major support for 2 years and minor support for a couple years after for things such as balance patches 2018: Octo Expansion, a Paid DLC singleplayer campaign (excellent one at that) 2022: Splatoon 3, New mainline game (which I think is better than some people give it credit for), active support for at least 2 years and it’s getting another singleplayer DLC probably sometime this year
How about with Kirby! 2018: Kirby Star Allies. Some people may think it's bad, but I think it's good. The game's made for multiplayer and that's why everyone hates it. They played in single player and didn't like it. I know that it added new content in updates, but it still rocks. 2022: Kirby and the Forgotten Land. First 3D mainline Kirby game! It was executed extremely well! Plus, it gets even better when the setting isn't Popstar, making the game even better as it adds a unique spin!
Didn't play Totk yet sadly. But I was amazed and thought a little unbelievable that you can combine every weapon, every shield, every ingredient, arrows, every resource and even just random objects all across the map and create something out of it. It is really reflected how creative the community got.
My favorite are the mechs. Pilotable At-Ats and Metal Gear Rexes in Zelda? Sold.
When you mentioned GF has to make spin-offs and produced by outside companies, they should've done it, again. I say this because we don't have favorites like Pokemon Ranger and Mystery Dungeon in a long time. And those two were like a great filler story arcs for manga and the anime. The last time they've done that was between Gen 3 and Gen 4.
Ranger was literally based on the touch screen and SMD did mediocre.
@@dse763 Pokemon Ranger can adopt Sonic Frontier's cyloop mechanic I feel to tame Pokemon.
There's a reason why they stopped making those games though: People stopped buying them
It's a shame though, the Mystery Dungeon games are some of the best pokemon games I've played. Actual effort into the story, walking sprites for every single pokemon, semi real time "they move when you move" combat, actually difficult bosses that require strategy or area effect moves, beautiful pixel art...
Pokemon mystery dungeon dx came out on switch and sold extremely well, and it hasn't been long enough for anyone to say we aren't getting a new PM's game. I in fact think we will, with how good the lastest one sold
The problem with the current condition of Pokémon is that the Pokémon Company is forcing out yearly releases from Gamefreak and in the case of BDSP, ILCA (even worse due to ILCA basically being indie devs with not much experience working on a game solo) causing the amount of polish and stability in the products to suffer.
@@sionnachrealta5534 if that's really the case,then it's stupid they're choosing to not make the development of Pokémon games better. They have an extremely rare position compared to most devs working on yearly franchises,western ones especially and they're squandering it.
@@sionnachrealta5534 Yep, TPC and Gamefreak are basically in an incestuous relationship, it's pretty clear the pepole at GF aren't being exploited, because most of them have positions at TPC
@Sionnach Réalta they should just ask for Monolith and Bandai Namco to help them. Bandai, since they have already worked with Pokémon before with Pokémon Snap and Monolith since they can make impressive worlds with the hardware limitations
@@sionnachrealta5534 then that's the fault of the consumer than the company itself at this point.
@Sionnach Réalta do you read your messages? I said they could ask for help to improve the games, which you said is not the point and that they won't because they are making a lot of money. I then said it's the fault of the consumers, which are the people who buy the game in which you reply that's irrelevant. It is relevant but whatever you say.
0:54 *please read the last words carefully and observe the background*
Coooool video! I subscribed :D
Over the past 6 years: Zelda: Quality Pokémon: Quantity Xenoblade: Why not both?
Xenoblade: why not help the legend of zelda
I would very much love to hear your review of the Pkmn Mystery dungeon games one day, since so much love and care went into those game and the final product is fantastic.
One thing that really frustrates me with Pokémon is the lack of voice acting even in 2023.
but nah the cuck fanbase says that no dialogue it's tradition, like wth??? I swear even if it was an option it would make the game somewhat better
Does it need voice acting? Would you say the CD-i Zelda games are better than Ocarina of Time because only one of them has voice acting?
@@dhans9662 Both an example and a counter to your point is Kirby and the Forgotten Land imo. Warning for a bit of spoilers. The game's story runs entirely on flavor text and only a few dialogue boxes. It explains the extra content and story through the collectibles in a natural way. But in the most important lore dump of the game right near the climax, it utilizes voice acting to psyche the player up for the final fight. It's the first time a mainline Kirby game has voice acting ever, and it goes along well with the game's theme of taking a new spin on the series. It's not necessary to have voice acting, but it's a tool that can be used (and misused) to accentuate things and themes.
I can’t even afford tears of the kingdom but in my favorite old zelda game(ocarina of time) you could see the elements you touched on begin developing, the little boy from Kakariko Village playing in the graveyard every day and returning home felt like a real kid, and the way the kokiri village kids act after gannon’s attack or how they act different at night/after link leaves, and even small things like how gannon’s attack effects each area in a way that seems fitting, kokiri village becoming overgrown and taken over by forest enemies, zoras domain freezing over, and everyone from hyrule moving to kakariko village is really nice as well, it feels realistic since its a nearby small town that hasn’t been attacked much. This literally made my phone lag 💀💀💀
I love your style. This video is entertaining and educational
The worst part about pokemon games is that they'll never be fixed after release. Only bugs usually related to battles, but nothing about performance.
If the Pokemon company gave time and allowed their staff to put passion into their games, we could have had 1-2 great games instead of all the abominations we ended up getting. Legends Arceus was the closest we were to getting something good, but it needed a lot more time in the oven
It's "good" because it only had to do much less things than a proper mainline because it's more like an experimental game...I don't want PLA scope games everytime just so they can be fine games IMO.
We need a single PLA scope game that is given years in development instead of multiple rushed and bare bone games Legends would have been far better if it wasn't for Scarlet and Violet taking so much manpower and time away
Elder scrolls and Witcher games do many of the things you were impressed by. Oblivion physics are super fun and Witcher has npcs that reacted to rain etc. All of oblivion npcs had scheduled as well. It's p mind-blowing
If fans stop buying the new games, then gamefreak will put the effort to make a better one. Holy hell, that building in scarlet violet does not have shadow at all when we glide down !!!!!! Gamefreak really doesn't give a shit anymore !!!!!
That's a big *If*
That's a stretch since the merchandise purchase vastly outnumbers the game's sales.
So it's more impactful if everyone stopped buying literally everything from Pokémon for a long time enough for the company to be affected.
@@UnwantedGhost1 a lot of the games still sell 10+ million, I'm sure they would make some improvements if they dropped by a lot
Lmao if Dexit failed, what makes you think it will succeed again?
I will concede that legends arceus is one of the best new Pokémon games. I think they should focus on more innovating gameplay and pushing pokemon forward. Legends should’ve been the new Pokémon game for the next few years with DLC down the line, or have the next game take what legends did and improve upon it. I think a problem gamefreak has is they won’t take what worked with past games and improve upon the aspects that didn’t work. ORAS and legends are pretty big examples of this. Pokémon needs polish and if they focused on one good game rather than a deluge of mediocre games
I'm subbing on the strength of this experience alone 😂 P.S., recently completed Wind Waker OG for the first time, and have moved on to Phantom Hourglass. Spirit Tracks was next after that (I bought all 3 on original hardware just before lockdown). You're the first person to tell me I should bother with Spirit Tracks, so I'm headed THERE next 😂💪🏻
been playing TOTK a week at least straight with no crashes, no lag hell and no visual glitches that weren't forced. for Pokemon I couldn't even finish the first gym without a crash and lagfest and don't remind me of the glitches lol
Zelda Tears of the Kingdom make Pokemon Scarlet and Violet look like crap compared to Zelda then again at least Zelda is a quality release instead of quantity like Pokemon since it keeps pumping it out.
Sword and Shield would have been the only games to fight on until this June, is that really necessary?
I didn't mention Sword and Shield where in my comment did I mention it.
@@FTChomp9980 You didn’t mention it anywhere, but that’s what would’ve happened
This is going to be a good one!
I used to consider myself a Pokémon fan and i will forever be grateful for all the great memories the games brought to my childhood and even adult hood. Sadly i started seeing the writing on the wall after sun and moon and stopped buying Pokémon games altogether. The series is simply beyond saving at this point. It is "too big to fail."
I was joking with my boyfriend that his game (i.e., TotK) gets 3D flowers while mine (i.e., Scarllet) doesn't shortly before seeing notifications that you've uploaded this. I am quite excited for this one. :)
Just imagine if Scarlet and Violet was given time instead of being rushed out. Maybe it could've been given some quality-of-life like Breath of the Wild. Better graphics, actual voice acting, level scaling, Gyms being changed and not being single type, actually being able to change out of that dumb uniform you're forced to wear, etc. Legends Arceus was so different from the usual formula but it was welcomed because it did something different.
Remember when Black and White tried to innovate and people fucking hated it
@@boshwa20 Can we clarify that they changed things maybe too much hence the reaction at first?
@@zjzr08 really? No past mons? Or whatever else? Ruby and sapphire did something similar, only hoenn mons. Honestly ruby was a soft reboot. And BW was one too. Either way that was what I heard from “too much changes” in BW.
@@zephyrias I was asking the OP about those changes, that it isn't just plain dislike...Gireum made a video explaining the flaws of BW and he "just" rated it B-Tier compared to Platinum and HGSS too because of these flaws, hence it didn't come out of nowhere.
@@boshwa20 Oh yeah. That part of the fandom shot itself in the foot with that. I remember how even BW2 was panned quite a bit - and, now, compared to the string of Kanto-pandering disasters since Gen 7's Let's Go, BW2 was the last really good game Gamefreak ever did. It says a lot that I still play it (PWT - goddamn, that alone is THE feature. Cameos + perfect level (no hax, cool variety of Pokemon - you won't cheese it with a bog-standard in-game team, but you don't need a 300+ hours of breeding/EV investment to make Pokemon specifically for that battle facility). Oh, and to hell with the Battle Frontiers. The people who moan about them clearly weren't swept enough times by Quick Claw Rhydons and Walreins.
Also let's be real bro, incompetent is incompetent. Give them 6y and they will waste it all implementing things nobody ask for like c-gear, cutting features that spent all of their dev time but ended up only as funny youtube vids about the beta builds, and also ironing out Pokemon Home bc of their spaghetti coding in the first place. But at least with 6y they might actually be able to cut down the number of bugs from 27292929 to 27292920
100% this
Honestly yeah. That and the incredibly small team they have like, tf are you smoking having only 169 employees for making games for the biggest franchise in the world?
To be honest, I know it’s drastic, but I want them to try going back to 2D. Not permanently, but just one remake of a previous game. Try doing what worked in the past, seeing how the fan base enjoyed it compared to the recent 3D titles, and go from there. If the experiment proves that 3D is more popular, then so be it. If 2D is better, however, they could either choose to keep their current schedule but go back to the old pixel style and not worry about camera glitches, lackluster move animations, and static Pokémon stances, or they could continue with the 3D titles, but slow down the development cycle to 2 years minimum and give more time and effort into perfecting them. Either improve the new design or go back to what worked in the past.
They wont do that ever, making 2D pixel games is very expensive at most you will get another BDSP chibi stylr
They could pull an Octopath Traveler in terms of graphical style.
Came to your latest video after enjoying the new vs old pokemon generations essay, and I'm quite happy to say I enjoyed this one too. I am proud to call myself a jerry can
There's a choice between quality and quantity. Kirby: 👀
In the last 3-4 years ive played, BOTW and TOTK for the first time, Xenoblade Chronicles 1, 2 and 3 and their DLC, these make up some of my favourite games of all time along side Pokemon Soul Silver and Black 2 MKWii and a few others but its so sad how large the gap of quality there is between these games and the recent pokemon games where i think the only "good" recent games have been Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon (if this was the base game and not a third game it would be good) In recent times its started to look up since they are actually trying new things with Legends Arceus but theres still such a large gap between them and the rest of the gaming world quality wise
Finally, someone else is making the comparison thANK YOU FOR SAYING THE WORDS IVE BEEN PREACHING FOR YEARS.
"Its important theres no bugs" Bug pokemon: Am I a joke to you?
As a small but significant data: Masuda quitted GameFreak recently because he did not liked people despised bad games from a beloved franchise. PS: That chibi N image is as depressing as frustrating. I've been playing BIack in the last 2 weeks and I'm glad to say it's as good as I remembered, but also noticed that a massive strenght of those games was *presentation,* from music changing depending where you are in the city/cave to the bridges to Castelia city to the 3D cutscenes. And that presentation would be missed in a 3D chibi style instead of something more akin to Pokémon generations or Xenoblade; also I hope they don't dare to not animate them (they won't anyways), bacause those are amazing characters and visual animation can show A LOT of personality is difficult to visualize (So does good voices, another thing they won't do despite being in HD console and having voice actors for both the mobile game and Anime), like Ghetsis's manipulative personality, Bianca's clumsiness, N's doubt about his beliefs and others, Vero's passion for her wife, Alder's pain, Bianca's father ruthlessness, Skyla's cheery personality to a fault (Don't forget the cannyons landing in cold steel)... you get the point. I can both see a lot gained AND lost with 3D. Just like 3D can enhance the presentation significantly, it can also leave a very sterile feeling because no animation is just unacceptable when you see things in detail. And there's ways of enhance subpar animations btw, which is known as style, something Pokémon is also lacking btw.
Btw Masuda got promoted- he didnt quit.
@@floatinjellies GOD DAHMIT!
@@N12015 Masuda he got promoted to pokemon company head quarters.
9:47 I’m suprised GameFreak isn’t made of 151 people, but eh I guess it’s close enough 😂
This is one of those videos I felt like I had to watch the whole way through just to understand what it was you were trying to say; and a lot of it did eventually align with the personal gripes I have with Pokemon as a game series. Its not the Pokemon devs that are the issues, its the suits. I wholeheartedly believe that. I was watching a different video the other day about how "Sega is less overprotective of their IPs than Nintendo", and long story short, Sega was bought out by another company in 2004, and that company bought out Sega as a meatshield so they could grow as a pachinko machine company. They did not care about Sonic, they only cared about their reputation. You might start to think that this would impact the development of Sonic '06. It did. Same with just about every other release since. I have the video here in case anyone wants to watch it, I highly recommend. It at the very least loosely explains how capitalism works, give a bit more context for the comment, and I think a lot of it applies to just about any other company; including the Pokemon Company. (kzhead.info/sun/fNuNiKevqKeogYk/bejne.html\). The point however, is that if it makes money, and investors are happy to see something grow, then they will do whatever it takes for said something to grow. Another thing I think is worth pointing out, is that the Pokemon company, unlike most other Nintendo franchises, did not do notoriously well in other areas of entertainment (Mario being an exception as of late). Pokemon branched out not long after the game released, with Pokemon cards, anime, movies, toys, and more; which has seen much more success than things like the Zelda cartoon and Kirby: Right back at you. I'm not saying other Nintendo franchises hasn't branched out, I'm trying to say that none of those have seen quite the same success as Pokemon. When was the last time we seen these other game franchises branch out in quite the same way? Aside from memorabilia at Gamestop, I can't really think of anything else besides examples I've already mentioned. And the point is: I do not believe The Pokemon Company sees value in Pokemon as a video game franchise. They see the value in Pokemon as something more, an icon. Pikachu is something anyone can look at and go "oh! I know them", and some of which have never touched a mainline Pokemon game in their lives. There is a reason Pokemon is the best selling "multi-media franchise" and not "video game franchise". And because of this notion, I am also inclined to believe that the devs do care about the games at least enough to stay where they are. I don't think they're starving, I only have so much sympathy for them since I know the games have done well; but the video game industry as a whole is very competitive and toxic. There's only so much they can do. If Zelda was the hit multi-media franchise in the same way Pokemon was, I'm sure it would just turn out just the same. If we stop buying mainline Pokemon games in protest, they may just stop making them entirely. They have other ways to push the brand. (But lets be real, that would never happen.) I think we should just be grateful that Zelda hasn't fallen into the same type of corporate pandering that Pokemon has. P.S, you are allowed to enjoy anything regardless of what i say. (including pokemon)
Gireum did have a video about this if you look ("How Pokemon Became a Souless Brand").
@@zjzr08 i'll give it a watch, thanks 👌
_"If we stop buying mainline Pokemon games in protest, they may just stop making them entirely. They have other ways to push the brand. (But lets be real, that would never happen.)"_ ...so what the hell are we supposed to do? "Not buying the games" is the only supposed solution to the games' waning quality that I've heard about, but if it's just gonna make things worse, then what are we supposed to do? Not buy the merch? There's millions of people who don't play the games that buy the merch and there's no way we're gonna stop them from doing so (plus it'd be kinda cruel). I mean, I've never bought a single Pokemon game, only played them on emulators (partially because I don't have a job yet, but also because of the reputation of recent games, so I just assume the next one is gonna be bad and not worth buying), so I don't know if I have the right to say anything in that matter, but still wanted to do it so that the fans that do might stumble upon this and get their answer (from you or someone else).
this is exactly what i'm trying to say. pokemon has evolved beyond just being a video game the games will sell regardless. I'm just saying in the hypothetical world where zero people buy the games, the pokemon company as a whole has plenty of other tricks up their sleeve (i.e the merch thing you just mentioned) that they won't have to push a "main series" anymore and just start doing their own thing. historically speaking, lugia was the first pokemon to appear in a piece of pokemon media that wasn't the games so its not too farfetch'd (pun intended) for them not to do something like that again. i think at this point they just let game freak make the games as more of a courtesy as opposed to looking for new talent; simply because they've been in the business for so long. i think this is why spin off titles don't get their own original characters outside of the trainers themselves. @@robertlupa8273
One has a mobile game....the other doesn't. That speaks volumes.
Hey, Jerry Can Man. Again, I'm not a huge Zelda fan, but I do wanna try out BoTW and ToTK someday. But yeah, the difference in how these game series are perceived nowadays is day and night. Also the HGSS music at the end reminded me...when are you gonna make full reviews for the other Pokemon remakes? I know we're pretty much halfway done with that since you've reviewed ORAS and BDSP, but I'm still looking forward to your review of HGSS. FRLG...much less so, there isn't much to be said for them. Anyways, great video as always.
As someone who played trough BoTW just before ToTk got released, just play ToTk its basically BoTW but with more features, even the story is pretty similar and the NPC's in the game barley if ever act like they remember or know you from the previous game so you're not missing out on anything if you skip BoTW.
I will never doubt release delays ever again
pokemon will never be good again, it's time to admit it
To add to your point about the amount of people who worked on both games, Monolith soft assisted Nintendo EPD on BotW and TotK. Game Freak did the Pokemon games all on their own. Working together with other studios does really help.
To clarify, TotK isn't a retcon. It just implies that at some point Hyrule collapsed, and the Zonai eventually re-established it. Which isn't even the first time they had to make a brand new Hyrule after an apocalypse (Spirit Tracks).
20:02 this is probably gamefreak's biggest issue right now. They never focus on ONE game. They do two or *more,* like when sword and shield was being developed they where also developing that game called "town" that nobody played or cared about. And right now if im not mistaken they are working on another non-pokemon game.
The 10 GameFreak employees who worked Town had no impact on SwSh and already finished their work. Also, while GameFreak was developing SwSh they were finishing LGPE, the SwSh DLC, and working on PLA.
@@UltraBall23 Even more proof that LGPE didn't need to exist
@@UltraBall23and they are working on another game that’s not Pokémon.
@@sionnachrealta5534 Game freaks "Town Hero game" had no bugs or glitches so that's saying something.
Sadly, most of the studios that worked on spin-offs are either gone or moved on to something else. That's how they can fix this increase dev time for main games and using their large income to fund spin-offs to hold ppl until the next main release. The last non mainline spin-off was Pokémon snap, bring us more mystery dungeons, rangers, and conquest.