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who else here is so down bad for Dune content that theyre watching a shapiro video for the first time lmaoo
😂 Are you a medium?
X2
I used to watch Ben when I was an angry preteen. Once I grew up, I didn’t find the rage bait appealing, but I definitely had to see if he thought Dune was communist propaganda. 😂
@@TheRotbringer I was waiting for "Dune is WOKE!!!!" very surprised that it didn't come
@@TheRotbringer Honestly, I'm the same - I was kind of a fence sitter c.a 2015-18, then I matured and actually did my research, for me though I find it valuable to watch people with opinions I strongly disagree with every now and then because I want to make sure my own beliefs are correct and air-tight.
Ben asked why didn't the Fremen defeat the Harkonnen before if it was so easy. It's because they didn't have the Atreides family atomics before. That's what destroyed the shields, which made it easy to for them to take over.
and also the fact that under Paul's leadership, Paul has foresight abilities and more knowledge of the harkonens than the freman.
Someone else earlier also said, they were resisting rather than trying to force them off the planet, the different tribes weren't aligned and their attacks when they happened weren't strategic.
Yeah but in movies you want some challenge to make build suspense. thats why in fight scenes the hero always loses at the beginning to build suspense, like "can he overcome?" Imagine the karate kid or Neo or Rocky just winning every round and match with ease. It would make a boring movie. Ben is right that the fight is just way too easy.
@@l.h.tnguyen4916so your argument is because a common movie trope wasn’t used it doesn’t feel right and is boring? What an absolutely terrible take lmfao
I think it’s clear from the book that the main reason of the “delay” on defeating the Harkonnens was to lure the Emperor, the main Bene Gesserit, CHOAM and Space Guild representatives to be physically present in Arrakis. That is when Paul can not only take over Dune but also the known universe.
The fact that Villanueve was able to make this for 190 mil should embarrass Disney with their budgets. Stunning.
Add Gozilla Minus One to that lesson that Hollywood needs to re-learn.
Not really. If you understand the business of movies that is. People think budget = CGI budget for the final cut. The actual CGI cost of what’s on the screen in this movie is probably similar or even bigger than a lot of action blockbusters. The difference is : A) A-list actors took a paycut to be in this, while most blockbusters have to pay the A-listers insane amounts B) Villeneuve has been working on this for long that he effectively storyboarded the final cut with barely any additional footage, so all the budget is on the screen, while most big blockbusters like this are written, produced, reshot and released in a cycle of 2 years so there’s plenty of stuff that’s shot, potentially even has VFX started to work on it, only to be left on the cutting room floor. Which still costs almost as much but doesn’t end up in the movie.
Come on, the rest of budget goes to Israel. The movie isn't cost that much.
Disney does those tarded budget for TAX REASONS AHEM
Japan already embarrassed Hollywood with their Godzilla -1 film that cost 12 million dollars and blew the critics the fuck away!
In the books, Paul is skinny and wiery. Tim fits the part perfectly.
I loved how in part 2 he walked with power everytime and spoke with power, he emboddied the word leader to the T.
“Tim” LOL like you know him.
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@@mr.afrikaans1747 🤓
As it was written
Actually the fact that Timothy is skinny fits with the book. Gaius Helen Mohaim mentions to Jessica that he is small for his age and after Paul’s assimilation with the Fremen he takes on the desiccated look of the Fremen, losing most of his water-fatness.
Darn spell check…
Lol.. I cant tell you how many times spell check messes me up, and dont me started about Self driving cars and how gps takes us over clifs.
Losing water doesn't make you skinny but lean
It’s been a long time since I read the books, but I thought the same thing. He was small in stature, which I always thought very interesting juxtaposed against the sheer magnitude of power he ends up becoming.
His acting and presence is more important than his stature honestly. The costume design was exquisite too. He was brilliant in The King so I knew he'd do well as Paul. I think Timothee killed it
Paul is described as an underweight skinny boy in the book, so the casting makes sense
And he can actually pull off the intimidating look, unlike the guy from the Star Wars sequels, who comes off as a kid having a temper tantrum 🤣 Also, I made a review on this movie too... and i'm trying to survive the algorithm, so if you've got time consider checking it out.
Underweight skinny boi
He starts out as small for his age, true, but he grows up to be a lithe and intimidating force. Little Timmy makes a shit grown-up Paul.
Bill Clinton's son
@@sertank735 Nah, he's great, maybe should recast and do a time-skip then for Messiah
In the actual books, Paul Atreides is a skinny teenage boy. That is why Chalamet was casted for the role.
Any played the part phenomenally. I mean whenever he yells, you *feel* it.
props to javier bardem for carrying almost the entire thematic of spiritual and religious influence on his shoulders. him as high priest of the lisan al gaib is one of the most underrated pieces of acting i have ever seen in my life. also works as comedic relief and alongside with gurney make this yingyang father figure for paul that helps him cope with the dead of duke leto. "as it was written"
Yeah he was fantastic in the film - he’s a brilliant actor, underrated imo
@@planeguy95Waaaaaaaaaay too underrated imo as well
He also looked like he was having an absolute blast
He was actually my favorite part. Such a sad character. Goes from being a friend to a blind and insane worshipper. The ending is tragic and the score with it is amazing.
The more times I see it, the more Stilgar's role stops being funny and starts being sad. Hate to see a person of good values become a fanatic towards someone who ultimately wants to exploit them
You’re forgetting the line where Josh Brolin’s character comes back and talk about how much damage paul was able to do with only 200 people. They couldn’t take down the Harkonnen’s early on because they quite simply had no where near enough man power. They needed to gather the other fremen to the cause
Yeah, big miss there obviously. Also, the Fremen military superiority demonstrated in the overthrow of the Harkonnens is a mere preface to what happens next when they dominate the galaxy.
Yep, especially when they mention that the south has millions of Fremen, and is where the majority of fundamentalist believers of Lisan el-Gaib are and the majority of the Fremen population are. Also it would be reason to believe that the Emperor and Harkonnen don't have their entire military forces on the planet as they have home worlds.
That and Paul literally sees the future, they are so successful because he is leading them.
@@thomasboehringer9751I don't believe they mentioned whether or not this happened in the movie but in the book The Emperor brought pretty much the entire Sardaukar Force, reserves included
@@KuntryBlumpkin528 they do mention that in part two. There’s a brief scene where one Fremen tells another after looking through his binoculars at the emperors army, “he brought his entire army.”
Hans Zimmer’s soundtrack also deserves a mention. Stunning.
Is it better than part 1? Because part 1 was trash. Wanted to gouge out my ears half the movie because of the screaming woman.
@@ericsaunders7141 your tiktok brain just doesn’t get art and its ok and the OST is mostly the same as part 1 without much of the “screaming woman”
@@ericsaunders7141 That sounds like a very individual opinion, not a sound judgement of the score. The score was epic for both parts.
@@nate9198 of course its my individual opinion. What other kind of opinion is there?
@@MLTAKOS never used tiktok, but thank you for reply. Less screaming woman is awesome. When sound that is suppose to support and compliment the movie makes your ears bleed, jars you out of the experience, and dominates dialog so you can barely hear what they are saying... thats trash.
Dune has given me hope that Hollywood still knows how to make a Blockbuster
Denis Villeneuve know how to make a blockbuster, despite Hollywood
Hollywood? Villeneuve embodies hollywood? dream on. movies these good will be few.
And it was made by a french canadian guy not american
It's honestly the best thing iv seen for a while. Im gonna make the heroic effort to read the books at this point. It's honestly set the bar so high for me idk if I'll be able to see anything else coming out soon. Movies haven't peaked like this for a while tbh
stop lying or go get a brain , its a trash movie with trash plot and good visuals and sound
The reason the last fight was so easy was because Paul had the ability to see the best future outcomes and choose from them, by planning the fight and his actions accordingly.
that’s not how it works
Actually (at least in the books) no, it was an actual risk he took. He can only see possible futures, not necessarily exactly as they happen (Duncan Idaho survived in his visions, for example) and he occasionally has "blind spots" essentially meaning he cannot predict any of what's to come, with this fight being one such event
@@jacobroe3653 so its not perfect "divinity" but explains a huge advantage.
@@dg8589 no he had no advantage in the fight even with prescience, besides the fact he’s a superior fighter.
@@yoda9256 in the general attack some foresight would give him a general advantage. Its just basic logic. Maybe blow for blow he cant see stuff coming, but his general strat going in was influenced by advantage.
To fix the plot hole that Ben mentions. When Paul becomes the Kwisatz Haderach, he can see all possible futures. This means that he could literally see what exact plan would have the path to least resistance to him and the Fremen’s victory. It makes sense and really isn’t a plot hole.
Except Ben is also talking about the Fremen guerilla tactics "before" Paul takes the spice agony. It very much was too easy in the film...... compared to the novel. In the novel, they had so many setbacks and the death of Paul's son and various things, that Paul was frustrated at his lack of ability to see futures. And in the novel "that" is the time when he decided to go through the spice agony.
@@laertesindeednow tell me how you would fit this in a sub 3 hour movie Denis did a phenomenal job choosing the right parts
@@joshuak5798it was done in the Sci-fi mini series.. still I am happy they skipped it. The loss of the one sietch is a big loss and good enough to undergo the trial.
That’s a good point!
Well in the movie the show that Paul knows how the Harkoeen are, mainly Raba. He is using that knowledge and tactics to win but when Fade shows up and takes over it all goes to shit. So there was an excellent give and take that showed with the knowledge Paul and the Fremen were like a sandstorm, you fear it and can do nothing about as it engulfs you, until Fade showed up and cleared it all out
I agree Chalamet is skinny…, but, if you read the book you are reminded he is still 16-18 years old at this point in the story. He was 14 when they moved to Arrakis - his power isn’t his might it’s his patience and ability to be in the moment in the book. It’s a real treasure of a message.😊
The movie doesn't really explain it well, but as far as the book goes, once Paul "awakened" he pretty much became a super-human being. Less than a god, more than a human was the describtion if I remember correctly. His training, his reflexes, his genetic herritage due to the Bene Geseret. It all made sure that he pretty much can't be beaten once he drank the Water of Life.
Jessica tells Gaius Helen Mohíam that the "Atreides are known to get their growth late"
@CrniWuk it's not the training and reflexes per se. It's the ability to accurately predict every move the opponent is going to make ar any given moment.
@@aumelb As far as the book goes though? Paul had top notch training. Not only due to the training from Duncan Idaho and Gurney Halleck. Pauls father made sure that Paul was also trained as a "Mentat" and his mother trained him also how to use the voice and the fighting of the Bene Gesseret. Even before Paul drank the Water of Life awakening his full potential, he was already a very skilled being. Not necessarily the best fighter in the Galaxy. But still extremely capable. And even more so a great tactician.
Exactly! I can’t see the Desert Mouse as a bulky beast. They are little, stealthy, and fast.
One thing to point out is that the Fremen and Paul attacking and not just taking a war to the Emperor is part of a bigger picture. Paul is trying to lure in the Emperor to come and deal with the problem himself and by doing so Paul will have him where he wants him. So it's more calculated than it appears to be. As well as a poetic way of getting back at the Emperor by setting him up similar to how he setup his father Leto. Love the books and Denis is doing the right thing by stretching this story out over multiple movies because it deserves it.
And still he leaves tons of the important stuff out as well as making major changes to the plot - some being pretty weird. Still love the movie - but its not as fateful to the books as I wanted it to be. Its more faithful to the message of the book than the book itself.
Denis Villeneuve is a genius. He made a film about multiethnic Islamic space communists, where women hold all the real power and managed to convince Ben Shapiro that it’s the greatest film of all time.
Also a movie about a brutal culture with regular fights to the death that Ben somehow thinks is pro life
It’s quite simple, don’t make the males incompetent bafoons.
With the main white guy slowly becoming a villain by the end of it.
@@athanatos4011also with the white guy assimilating into a arabic culture 😂
But that's the genius of Dune- instead of modern films with similar viewpoints which engage in a ton of "this character is perfect because they're diverse" and "this character is bad because they aren't" you can actually see how each character became who they are. You understand the immense forces shaping these people- Paul knows his destiny is to become the villain but he doesn't want to...he weeps at the thought and it is Chani who sways him, even though he knows he is becoming a person she could never love and she knows the death it will unleash. People aren't perfect because they're in a multiethnic Islamic society, they also have some terrible customs and are easily swayed by superstition in many cases. Still (and this is something modern films miss) THEY ARE NOT MONOLITHIC. The Harkonnens have a much more brutal, fascist society but they're emphasis on strength is far more understandable when you see how people interact within the confines of that culture. People in one group have different views, something a modern filmmaker would never think to include.
During this film I felt pride, i felt disgust, i felt hope and I felt success. All emotions that, through acting, music and portrayal made me feel part of this movie. It has been long since I felt this way during a movie.
loved the movie and Zendaya is an awesome actress
Could not agree more and I'm usually very unkind to Hollywood. 10/10.
Most recent movies just produce disgust.🤣
This is the best movie I've ever seen.
Did you fist pump the air
I just realized that Paul’s practice fight with Gurney echoed Paul’s fight with Feyd Rautha. Paul killed Feyd the way Gurney gets Paul off guard in pt 1.
Captain obvious
So much different from the book.
„resulted in Paul‘s fight with Feyd-Rautha“
Shit thats sick. I didn't notice that but you're right
I didn’t think about that til now too!
A yes, the telepathic fetus born with all the memories of the former mothers is a very pro life message 😂😂😂
also the fact that jessica was willing to possibly kill her child by drinking the water of life.....
I am sad they didn't go with the book, the baby is born around the middle of the book and is fully sentient. Like talking in perfect English and scaring the absolute crap out of the populist. I mean it would probably be silly to see on screen but still.
@@catherinetheegreat8742she didn’t know it was poison for one as well as the fact that she started to resist until the reverend mother used the voice to force her to drink the water of life. Watch the movie again.
@@mateoqueen7834 i mean, she's a bene gesserit. she had to have known
. Literally she is told drink this and you die
“There are so many layers: a coming-of-age story, critiques of colonialism and capitalism, a philosophy of nature as a religion, a love story, a Shakespearean court drama, planetary ecology, and a warning about the savior complex.” ~Denis Villeneuve on Dune Real war doesn't look like the movies. It isn't tens of thousands dying from NYC being nuked, it's tens of millions dying from the Colorado River being nuked. Saying that Dune will "wake up hallywood" is an insult. Denis Villeneuve wanted to wake up all of us.
Dune is much more than on person can comprehend fully, like all fine art. Denis Villeneuve did well and he created something that is also more than just a personal perspective or interpretation.
I know, as always people are caught up in arguing over the petty little details of thier ego centric delusional worlds of grandiosity. I like that you actually present some more thematic observations. It never ceasses to amaze me how unaware (ego centric) and substanceless modern people have become. It started with agriculture, which allowed people to live in large groups, the beginining of centralized, conformity based policies for behavior, communication, language usage, concept usage, etc. and the production of idealism, and thus religion. Oppositional to empiricism. Opposite to developing the skills that allow peple to acutally investigate what is going on around them. The increasing loss of these skills continues more rapidly today than ever. Almost all people assume they understand what they see and hear. When in reality they have no contextualization skills for understanding at all. Most Americans consider themselves as above average intelligence. Compared to what? They don't have the skills to compare things. That's the nature of idealsim, and religon. It's just prepackaged. Like their education. Their media. Their govenments. Their relationships. But they have no means to contextualize this phenomena. To me, in addtion to your succinctly describe themes, another is the grandiose levels of the struggles for power through all social behavior that humans aspire to. In perfect accordance with humans elevation of this to condoning the addictive cycle of admiring, commending, praising, rewarding, re-inforcing the aggression, dominance, control, explotiation, cycle.
@@contextualexpansion9914Im not reading all that
@@s66s46 that's nothing, you must not read much huh? obviously
Their final battle was facilitated by discovering the nukes, which they used to take down the walls that kept the sand worms at bay. But also, the greater plan was the emperor's throne, not just wiping out the Harkonens. And lastly, Paul was resisting all-out war until finally he saw no other way. In the book, the death of his son is what pushes him over the edge.
Paul had a son?
@@niklastjitra1323 Yes, with Chani. In the book, the spacing guild is also much bigger of a faction and the spice is more of a factor. Spice is SO important in the Dune universe, and Paul with the Fremen stopped Spice production, and was waiting for the Emperor to come to Arrakis to make his play. My only complaint with this movie is that the made the spacing guild irrelevant, and you dont get the same feeling of how crucial control of spice is.
@@niklastjitra1323 Yes, Paul's son dies. Also, Paul's sister was born way before the emperor invaded the planet. And they take his little sister hostage. However, his little sister was intense as she was terrifying the emperor and the Reverand Mother with her wild telepathy antics and sorcerous mind games. Paul's sister was so cool, almost like a...Ryuk from Death Note.
@@McMuffinV2 Don't forget Paul's little sister who came out the womb and was making the Reverand Mother look like a fool.
@@niklastjitra1323 in the book, the events that occur in Part 2 take place over the course of 3-4 years while the movie shortens it to about 8 months (Jessica is still pregnant). In the book, Alia, Paul's sister is born and is about 3 yrs old when the emperor takes her captive which facilitates the final showdown between Paul and the emperor. Paul and Chani have a son and when the son is assassinated, Paul goes full Kwisatz Haderach to get revenge.
see, sci-fi can be good when Mickey Mouse has no control over it.
With half the budget too !
The Ben Shapiro fanbase has the thought capacity of "disney - bad, no disney - good". Why am I even writing this? It's gonna end up in me arguing with adults that have the mentality of 10 year olds again
@@marcinmcula99well they did butcher the Star Wars franchise
@@Alejandro-fr9jc another npc
@@marcinmcula99bro if you actually enjoy modern Disney movies, you’re the NPC. Go read a book on philosophy or watch a real piece of cinema like Dune Part II. I know you love The Last Jedi and Black Panther, because you’re the 10 year old mentally; that was socially programmed to be a cuck.
I think Timothee as Paul was well cast. He’s supposed to be a very skilled young boy, maybe 18 to 20, and he’s not precisely a soldier, so he wouldn’t be very jacked. He’s just well trained in fighting and he’s supposed to be more skilled than strong.
Yea he is very lean, almost boy like. In the book the Baron fantasizes about his nubile body.
Comment section is confused so I’ll clarify. Paul only needed to get the northern tribe of arrakis to believe he is “the one”. The southern people are religious fanatics who supported him from the get go. Paul wanted nothing to do with leading because he saw the destruction & death he would bring across the galaxy not just arrakis. He did not want to take advantage of the Fremen. Then he had to go south. Drank the water of life. And quite literally saw every possible timeline and chose the best one. That timeline led to the deaths of 61 billion people. At this point he’s a computer after the water of life nothing is chance it’s all calculated in his mind. He’s arguably not even Paul Atreides after drinking the water of life. And half the movie is him doing his best to avoid becoming the kwisach haderach, because he knows what will happen and what he’ll do and what he’ll lose. Also the battle is so easy because, again, he can literally see the future and pick the best outcome. I’m not sure how the audience missed the glaringly obvious piece of the movie that if he drinks the water of life he’s quite literally “a mind that transcends time and space”
I missed it. Spent the last half of the movie real confused. I don't remember him seeing visions after the water of life so his complete 180 really threw me for a loop.
Mild spoilers: In book 2 Paul realizes that not all futures are represented in his future sight. Its a little confusing but from what i gathered the act of him seeing the future sets him on a path of possibilities. He also indicates that maybe the spice is piloting everything.
Loving all the comments about DUNE 2 [edit: ...DUNE *PART* 2...] and how it shames the film industry into just generally doing better. One quote I loved and that I so far haven't seen repeated in this comments section is from when Denis Villeneuve was in very early negotiations with movie studio executives for him to direct DUNE. It was on the topic of using sound stages and green screens versus shooting on location at exotic sites around the world. Denis apparently told the executives, "They did not shoot JAWS in a swimming pool. And I will not shoot DUNE in a sandbox." THAT'S an artist standing up for their art.
“Dune 2” this is not the second book, it’s part 2 of the book dune. Dune part 1 was the first half or so of the book. That’s why they call it dune part 2. Not dune 2. Dune 2 will take place in their third movie if it’s made.
@@GokouZWAR Thanks. I don't actually think I implied that the movie I referenced was based on the second book of Frank Herbert's six, which is called DUNE MESSIAH (technically, there is no novel called either DUNE 1 or DUNE 2, just DUNE and then DUNE MESSIAH). But I guess your clarification might be helpful to some. So thank you for it. :)
Big part of the film was filmed in Budapest!
@@GokouZWARactually the third movie (if it’s made) will be Dune part 3. They still haven’t finished the first book. They have to wait 2 years for Aliah to literally be a 2 year old. The way it was done in 1984 was weird, but it was also rushed. The best thing about Dune parts 1,2,and 3, is that nothing will be rushed. If anything it’s drawn out. Which is what separates it from be 1984 film, while also allowing it to tie up lose ends.
@@GokouZWARyou seem like you're probably a lot of fun to be around! Thank God for people like you, and your not at all trivial corrections on other people's KZhead comments. I abase myself before the emperor of Dune knowledge...
I am 75 years old , and the last time that my mind was blown by a movie was when I saw the original Star Wars in the 70's. Dune : Part Two is much more intense
Before Dune 2, for me i think it was Tron Legacy and before that i think it was the first Matrix movie...and then we go back and i agree with you on Star Wars all the way!!!!
Im 62, Dune is by far the best Sci fi story and modern films in my opinion. Dune 2 surpassed my expectations by far. Star Wars 'was' merely 'entertaining'. The only films that have truly impressed me prior to Dune 1&2 were LOTR and Master and Commander. Ive read all those books. Its awfully difficult to do movies based on books well.
thank you
I feel so, so grateful we both grew up in an era when major movies were rare and special…..an event. I remember waiting in long line with my parents and siblings to get in at the only theatre to see Star Wars at in Denver. I remember sitting in my seat mesmerized with chills over the epic soundtrack and visuals. A feeling I was wonderfully able to repeat for my kids with Harry Potter even though movies no longer rare but just the anticipation that only heightens and lengthens enjoyment. Thank you film Industry!!!!!!!!!! Going to see Dune 2 today and excited. Get to share it with my adult son and that is a gift!!!!!!!
You obviously never saw Interstellar in theaters then. Interstellar > Dune 1+2 combined
I like how Paul was not really into leading, and then after he drank the juice he stood up in front of all the fremen and was like “No one can take me” then against the emperor, “I killed your greatest warrior and I’ll have your daughter too!” Like damn dude way to make a move to rule the whole galaxy lol, definitely great character development and a rise to power story, I loved it
The story is a warning though. The armies of Muad-Dib kill billions, if not trillions of living beings. The legacy of Paul's Jihad is one of blood, terror, and slavery. This is a warning against following charismatic leaders.
This is the part I didn't like 😅 It's like the juice just killed one character we have known for 1.5 movies and brought back a living calculator
@@EdGeLV I understand your point but that character you loved was ignorant and didn’t know much about anything, the juice gave him all the knowledge and then he realized how important this whole thing is, it’s like your in the middle of a friendly pick up game and halfway through you learn there’s a 1M cash prize if you win, you’d change too lol 😂
@@darthdavid2275 ye but I thought that the point of movie is that he will escape his destiny in his own clever/reckless or whatever way and become stronger but he just drank juice and did everything in a straight-forward "supposed" way. Maybe I just mislead myself by thinking the movie would be more about politics and clever tricks
@@EdGeLVIn a sort of way this is what the second book ends up being about, it’s dark tonally, but in terms of politics and tricks and such Dune Messiah is totally all about that. If the Third part adapts it well you might enjoy that. Also the character of Paul before he drank the water of life is still there, it’s subtle as it’ll be explored in a third movie but that last line the character delivers in the film you can see the agony inside of him, he still has humanity and that’s why the path he’s been forced into horrifies him so much, but he knows the alternatives are worse, that’s why he’s so dedicated to it. You can see he’s still there too when he talks one on one with Chani, it’s just that he can’t be that same person to the Fremen and Imperium and still survive, it’s his only method of survival and he hates that it is. There’s a lot of turmoil and self reflection inside Paul Atreides after the events of Dune Part Two. Can’t recommend the books enough, hopefully we get to see Dune Messiah adapted into Dune Part Three
To Ben’s question about why the Fremen forces had such fighting capabilities 1) they didn’t have the Atreities arsenal 2) even more crucial of a point: the Fremen were divided. At least half of Fremen forces were simply waiting for the messiah to come that they were in hiding or not ready to expose themselves. It takes the fulfillment of the “prophecy “ in Paul to unify the Fremen forces in belief and fervor to rise up against their oppressors.
I may know the book too well. But just a couple lore corrections: 1. Kwisatz haderach is not the same as Lisan al Giab. KH is a male at the end of the Bene Gesserit breeding program who can bring humanity through an impending anniliation (golden path). The Lisan al Giab is the Messianic figure planted by the BG within the Fremen. 2. Paul Atreides was actually casted pretty well by Chaleme, he was described as small in the books.
Lisan al Gaib is the interpretation of the Kwisatz in the misionera protectiva, wich serves for sister to find allies but also serves for when the KH arrives all the indoctrinated welcome him as a savior facilitating his rule.
@@titohauszlerExactly, plus the KH is meant to allow the BG to access the genetic memory of the male line. The whole idea was that the BG would rule through the KH.
I just started rereading the novel. I think the reference is that Atreides men grow later in their adolescence.
The challenge to making dune was the thought process of the characters. I think technology has finally reach a time that they can do the books proud.
Paul Everyone: Lisan al Gaib!!!!
As it was written
I think Chalamet is perfect as Muad'Dib, the desert mouse. When Stilgar is giving Paul his secret Fremen name - Usul, the strength of the base of the pillar - and Paul is asked what everyday name he would like to be known by, Paul chooses Muad'Dib in an ironic moment of self-reflection ... he is small, wiry and slim. And the Fremen laugh! They get it. And then Stilgar turns the name into something the Lisan al Gaib would choose because the desert mouse is resourceful, has hidden strength, and is humble. Chalamet really is the perfect actor to portray Paul Atreides. Messiah's, after all, can come in all shapes and sizes.
Actually, as a former prison guard I can tell you that SOME skinny guys are deceptively unimpressive until you tie up with them in a fight. If the tendon attachment is a little further away from the joint you are able to generate more force than you might appear to be capable of. (I think I said that correctly.) The migration of the muscle attachments away from the joints while the joints expanded in size and strength themselves is part of the source of the great strength of the Pak Protector in Larry Niven's Known Space collection of books
You are very correct! Some of the most fierce fighters that I hung with when I was younger were all skinny lanky dudes! Especially if they were tall!! I had many skinny tall friends and they never backed down from a fight!
Agreed. I think Paul’s speed and cunning are also what make him such a formidable fighter. His frame fits his character. Even fits the Fremen name that he chose for himself… Muad’dib… the desert mouse.
It’s funny to me that a lot of the people defending Paul as a warrior are the same people who would complain about a woman beating a man in a movie fight…
Hence Deontay wilder
My Brother is this way. He has bulked up since then, but he was deadlifting 405 at 165 pounds.
Dune will definitely be the Lord-of-the-rings-esque classical film of this generation. It will be finally decided when Dune 3 comes out.
First movie was not good but part 2 was awesome
@@Psalm144verse11st movie was great, 2nd was excellent. Without the 1st you wouldn’t have the 2nd. It’s crazy how people don’t understand plot building.
@@Psalm144verse1 The first one was amazing
@@Psalm144verse1 Dune was easily as good as Dune part Two
@@Psalm144verse1it was good. Not as good as part 2, but that’s mostly because it was just setting up part 2
Seriously? Ben saw the weird baby in the womb talking to the mother scenes and thought to himself about pro life? That's crazy 😂
No, he didn’t. But he’s got to keep that grift going somehow…
Blokes a clown with zero media literacy
I don't see how being against baby murder is a grift😂 @@Peridactyloptrix
@@itsatr1p there is no such thing as a person who is pro baby murder
@@itsatr1pFetuses are not babies 😂😂
Idk if y’all read the books but I cannot get over the fact that they changed Chani’s character from the book so much. And the whole dynamics between her and Paul and Jessica is also very different and unexpected. Especially the way he “betrays” Chani… there is no betrayal in the book as she is absolutely devoted to him.
I'm glad someone said it. They used her as a mouthpiece to push the movie's message of being distrustful of messianic/charismatic leaders, but it's a message that is glaringly apparent if you watch the movie, and didn't need to be explained or voiced by her. Now, because they chose to write this way, it boxes in/forces them to change a lot of shit regarding Dune Messiah. Since now he and Chani are estranged, does this mean we don't get Leto II or Ghanima now? Are the movies simply going to end with Paul giving himself over to the sandworms, and what, the universe goes back to the way it was and all that change was for nothing? There was a much greater purpose for Paul doing that, and it was for Leto II to become the new Kwisatz Haderach and finish what his father started, which was to get humanity to rebel against a tyrant and spread out across the galaxy to avoid threats that could easily destroy all of humanity/preserve the human race. All of that shit is potentially tossed out the window now, because of that one choice to rewrite Chani in this way. I don't mind it in the vacuum of just this film, but if you read the novels and understand where the plot goes in Messiah and beyond, this is a narrative blunder.
When you think about it, Paul makes the choice that Anakin Skywalker couldn't make
Can you elaborate? I think they’re both pretty close parallels. They both chose the easier path and left the harder path to their sons.
Spoiler alert but Paul didn’t make the choice. You will see in dune messiah. Paul’s destiny transcends time and humanity, and he simply couldn’t make the choice to fulfill the destiny. Eventually, someone would pick up the reins and complete his terrible purpose
Herbert is on record stating he considered a lawsuit upon the release of ANH in '77 due to the similarities.
@@randomhandle23 Correct, Paul's son Leto chooses the Golden Path.
@@randomhandle23Leto II is probably my favourite character in the entire series
Denis Villeneuve is officially now my favorite director, along with Christopher Nolan 💜
Same. Top two favorite directors ever!
I agree. I also have a spot for Joseph Kosinski as well
@@Saint0914 Tarintinos too
He has been one of my favorite Film Directors since Dune: Part One. He is officially in my top 15 directors of all time along with Antoine Fuqua, John Singleton, Francis Ford Coppola, the late Sam Peckinpah, Client Eastwood, Mel Gibson, Akira Kurosawa, Vien Hoa Binh, Ridley Scott, the late Tony Scott, Martin Scorsese, Zack Snyder, Edward Zwick, and Chris Columbus.
@@StrongKinghtStudios Tarantino has never been close to this level buddy. I LOVE the guy and at certain times and in certain moods, I would prefer some of his titles to these 2. But come on man, Nolan and Villeneuve are in a league of their own!!
How ironic that in Dune all the thinking machines are banned and here we have a freakin' robot reviewing the film.
He may be a robot, but he definitely doesn’t do much thinking
My understanding is that the Fremen don't understand how to attack the Harkenon until Paul taught them their vulnerability.
Paul had been trained by some the best thinkers in the known universe, according to the book. His instructors included a Mentat-Master of Assassins, the last Swordmaster of Ginaz, one of the foremost Suk Doctors, a religious Warrior Poet, a Bene Gesserit mother, and a very proud and capable Politic Leader father. He was trained to command and lead his family and an entire planet while in a feud and vendetta/war of assassins (Art of Kanly) with the Harkonnens. He was not a weak, indecisive character in the books.
Yeah, with his lvl of knowledge Harkenon never had a chance
The reason why they didn't fight the battle before is they didn't have Paul's family's fire power. Not until Gurney showed him where all the family's entire collection of missiles and shit were, were they able to take on the Emperor and his army.
why didn't the Atreides use the nukes when the Harkonnens attacked in the first place?
@@peaceplayinsumgames It was an ambush. It happened too fast for them to strike. Also, they would have been nuking themselves since they were being attacked.
true. i understand now@@gorbshal2598
Last battle made easy with atomic weapons, simple when they took down the shield
Because the use of nuclear weapons would be cause for planetary obliteration as per the articles of the Lansdsraad and the Imperium. Ironically, all the Great Houses are not supposed to have them: but they do. Since the point of Paul's strategy is to control the spice is to threaten it with destruction. No one wants to destroy Dune because the spice enables the current technology to fold space...so they aren't going to destroy Dune when Paul uses the family atomics. That is in the books and not very well explained in the movie beyond, no one is supposed to have them, but... From the movie's perspective, how do you use a nuke when the enemy is on your position without also killing yourselves? Second, using nukes will disrupt spice production, which would give the Imperium and the Lansdraad a legitimate reason to stomp you. Third, irradiating the planet will cause the death of worms, which will lower the creation of spice (worms make the spice that is used for folding space), which again, gives the Imperium and the Lansdraad a reason to attack your house. @@peaceplayinsumgames
I was surprised at how Denis decided to end part 2. Truly talented.
Totally! I could have watched another two and a half hours easy
You mean angry Chani storming off? Thats so not Frank Herbert.
I read the book because I couldn't wait that long for the part2 (didn't read Dune Messiah yet). And it actually surprised me how it ended. It should've been the closure of one arc, yet, the movie left with a cliffhanger for part3. Don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing.
Yeah there was a great deal that the director changed. It's going to make future endeavors more difficult.
Yeah that last scene was confusing and a little disappointing. I just hope that it won’t drastically change the third movie
What I liked about Dune how complex Paul is; he's not a hero, he's an antihero and no one notices it. He manipulated the Fremen, lied to the woman he loved and knowing people would die he still became the fake messiah everyone expected. Not only that but I'm convinced the Kwisatz Haderach was a lengend and story that was put in the mind of people by the Bene Gesserit (with their powers), so when they needed to control politics they could; in fact I would argue half of the movie was a fight for control between Jessica (who wanted Paul in the throne because she might be the only one who can control him) and Gaius (who considered she could only control Feyd). Despite all of this, you only have to look at Paul's motivation to understand he's an anti-hero: revenge.
He is not Anti-Hero. He is a villain. That's the entire message of the Dune franchise. And yeah: the Kwisatz Haderach is a fabrication of the Bene Gesserit. No shit Sherlock 😄
@@luzifer960I still see people saying Paul is a hero. That's why I explained it. I don't think he's exactly a villain though, since I don't think the Harkonnen would've been better as rulers, and argubly neither the Emperor. As for individual characters, the only one I could think of as honorable that we know and is still alive in the movies is Chani (in the books as far as I know she doesn't stand her ground and defends her values as much). So there are really not a lot of better choices to rule than Paul (for now). That doesn't make him a hero but the best candidate if you had to choose between the options given. Villians tend to be the 'bad guys' in a story, while anti-heroes are more complex and grey. I think Paul falls more in the second category for now (specially because a lot of his rage and pain is relatable and understandable, even if what he does with it is evil). I'll give you an example: Voldemort is a villain, Snape is an anti heroe.
To answer your question at 5:50, because the Fremen were fighting as separate villages and as tribes so there was no chance of victory, but Paul Atretes united them as one nation under his leadership. They prepared a plan because he saw the future, and the emperor was not prepared for what would happen, so victory was guaranteed.
The worm ride scenes were absolutely incredible. This whole movie was just stunning. I also would do whatever Florence Pugh told me to do.
I second that big time lol
The only part that I didn't like about all the worm rides is that they never showed them getting off. I was most interested in that.
@shadowbandit3975 wait for Part 3 for that. You'll be amazed by what's to come!
I also couldn't understand how Paul stayed so clean shaven ... How did he find time to shave!? @@shadowbandit3975
@@Jay-bt3wooh Fr? I wondered about how they got off the worms as well
Paul isn't just seeing visions of the future. He's seeing all possible future paths and HE is choosing which one for The Golden Path. It will eventually lead to universal peace, but only through Paul leading to current war, death, and his own destruction. He is an amazing fighter, even though he is described as small in the book, because his mind training allows him to read his opponent and react quickly and occasionally see glimpses of their imminent moves.
Paul deliberately didn't take the Golden Path because he was afraid of it. His son wasn't and took the Golden Path as described in Children of Dune and God: Emperor of Dune.
So he’s Eren Yeager?🤔
@@carbon273kind of except unlike eren Paul has a son who finishes his mission instead of him fully finishing it himself
Not universal peace. Nothing in the books has anything to do with universal peace, he is following the golden path, they way to avoid kralizec, to ensure that humanity endures forever. Paul failed, he refused to do what was required in the end. Leto II did, and he was a tyrant and a monster for it.
@@carbon273 More like the opposite
Paul is 15 in the book when it starts & 17 by the end. So Chalamets size makes sense.
The thing is chalamet is 28 …being 28 and looking 15 is not same as being 15
The Freman did not attempt to take over the planet before because everyone in the South was waiting for a prophecy to happen. Chani explains why at the beginning of the movie "you tell them a Messiah will come, then everyone will wait." The Harkonans didn't even know the Freman had a real population.
"your father was a weak man..." I can't imagine anyone delivering those lines any better than CW.
I didn't understand why he said that when the movie opens with the princess saying that her father feared the Atreides and by extension the Duke.
@@Piratequeen010156 Not sure where you saw that (having reviewed the opening of dune p2). In any case, the whole story line had at its core the plot of the emperor to extinguish house Atreides because the Atreides were gaining favor with the other houses. As far as why he said bad things about Duke Leto to Paul..IMO that was a typical *in your face* kind of move many humans engage in. No doubt the emperor thought he was a dead man either way.
@@Piratequeen010156 feared his popularity, but he really admired him and knew to keep his house strong he needed to destroy their house. It would have been ideal to have his daughter promised to Paul from the start but he probably knew that would antagonize the Harkonnens and didn’t want to be on their bad side (supposedly their house was wealthier than the emperor’s). The heartbreaking part was you could tell that Paul and his mother silently acknowledged that statement without denying it.
I can honestly imagine about 50 actors delivering that line better than Walken. Having him cast as the emperor was literally my only complaint about the whole film.
He feared him because of what he represents. He had Honor and empathy politicians consider that a weakness @@Piratequeen010156
Sounds like Ben has never massively over leveled a character and easily destroyed the final boss before
I started Dune 1 without any background to it, thinking: So this kid is gonna really be a force in the universe? In Dune2 when he yells I AM THE DUKE OF ARRAKIS i felt it: Goddamn. What an actor. Gonna have to read all the books now. What. A. Damn. Good. Scifi. Universe. O_O
Timothee's transformation after drinking the water of life was terryfing to watch.
If memory serves, the reason that the final battle was so easy in the books was that Paul used rather out-of-the-box strategies that nobody from a noble/imperial house could ever see coming. For instance, I think I remember he deliberately used the laser technology against the shield technology (which was never done because of the violent explosion that would result. The other two big factors were that the Fremen had never fought as a unified force before and the Harkonnens had no idea how big the worms got or that the Fremen could control them so well. I haven't seen either movie yet (though now I probably will) so my comment is entirely based on the books. Btw Ben, I don't know if you have read all of the books but I think you might find it interesting to know that towards the very end of the story (after humanity has scattered and returned and vast amounts of time have passed), that a certain group emerges from the shadows having survived in secret since mankind first left Earth - spoiler alert, it's the Jews. I'm not Jewish myself but that reveal kinda gave me chills the first time I read it, awesome plot-twist.
Well his series is inspired by the Middle East makes since even in this set up.
Why are you commenting on a MOVIE review if you haven’t seen the MOVIE?!?!?!? Geeez you’re the problem. You have zero opinion and the people who actually liked this comment are just as gone as you
I feel blockbuster movies are making such a good comeback. Avatar 2, Top Gun Maverick, Oppenheimer, now Dune 2. Good storytelling, beautiful production mixing cinematography, visuals, music, sound design, special effects with CGI. I'm happy about this.
Avatar 2 was shit
how dare you compare way of water to Dune 2
@@kevchuck I'm not comparing shit. I'm saying we're getting good movies once a year.
there are not nearly enough good films making actual profits, the theaters are still hurting - the films that do make very good profits relative to the cost of making said films, are not being made by Hollyweird studios.
@EasyHunii that's your opinion most would disagree... everyone has different tastes and every movie effects everyone differently
Frank Herbert and Dune are kinda in the same weird cultural space that J.R.R. Tolkien and The Lord of the Rings are where they were each a work written by an unambiguous conservative of some stripe, being a lifelong hyper-individualist Republican and ultra-traditionalist Tory respectively, but wound up getting first latched onto by the counterculture crowd due in part to their expression of similar concerns even if they are articulated from a very different perspective.
Being a conservative in the early to mid 20th century was very different from being a conservative today
@@Peridactyloptrix Nailed it. Ideas and ideologies change all the time.
It’s astonishing that Ben can watch the Harkonnens destroy Fremen home after home in this movie and not understand that’s exactly what Israel is doing to Gaza.
Must keep the flow of the cash
This is better than star wars hands down. Now that I have read the book and seen both parts of the movie, it is abundantly clear that everything good about star wars is credited to this book. It is common knowledge that frank herbert inspired George lucas. The politics, the force, the "chosen one who would bring balance", its all Dune
Better than the movies? 100% without a doubt. But better as a universe? No. There's a reason Star Wars is the most popular franchise of all time...we unfortunately just haven't seen anyone create something worthy of it's potential.
It's great for older audiences. Star Wars has always been for kids.
Yup! When I read Dune for the first time I was in disbelief at how many concepts were pulled right from it.
@@emperormouse5487thank you. SW achieved a cultural phenomenon with long last rewatchability. will we be quoting dune in 15 -20 years?
@@SunriseArtsCinema11I and many others have been quoting Dune since at least 1984 (when I saw the Lynch movie and then read the books). Dune is not some obscure thing no one has heard of until 2021.🤣
Denis Villeneuve & Christopher Nolan are easily the two best directors working right now. The scope and scale of their movies are unmatched. I'd personally give the visual edge to Villenueve and the thematic edge to Christopher Nolan- but they both make incredibly transformative films. However, my one critique with both of these directors is that their movies can feel a little cold. Less humor and emotion than typical Hollywood blockbusters (which is not necessarily a bad thing) but sometimes makes you crave a rewatch less. And my review for Dune Part 1 & 2 as a whole is a solid 9.5/10. Dune will go down as one of the best franchises of all time if they keep this level of quality and finish the trilogy strong. Can't wait for Part 3: Dune Messiah.
You are completely bang on. Mind you I do contest that Nolan's movies are emotionally cold SOMETIMES, the strongest thematic stories of his elicit the most emotional undertones for characters: Dark Knight, Inception, Interstellar, Oppenheimer. (Inception and Oppenheimer is very hybrid) Then more experiential riveting event cinema but still lukewarm towards emotional heft: Tenet, Prestige, TDKR, Dunkirk Now with Villeneuve, like nolan and im gonna emphasize this point later he also pushes cinema as an "experiential" event and that may or may not contain emotional heft in the movie. His visual style is beautiful very expansive, but I find it very aesthetic leaning and less "visual storytelling" which would behoove him to improve temperature of the emotional investment audiences would have for his characters or themes. Both Blade Runner 2049 and Dune Part 1 did this where the plot was there and it was beautiful to look at but i didnt care about the characters, dune a little bit more but theres something about the writing that you can tell it was buildup but the death Leto and attack on House Atreides felt extremely cold more like plot just playing through. Prisoners is the one movie where you feel the emotion and a big primary driver for that is extremely simple and effective premise of child abduction. BIG CAVEAT: Villeneuve didn't write this movie and it hands down has more emotional heft than any of his other movies including Dune. My concluding note is this; both Nolan and Villeneuve seem to have critical acclaim for warping the storytelling approach to elicit feelings of awe, grandeur or excitement, but their films may not be emotional; right now i still consider this a weak point but it seems its artistic community doesn't think so.
I personally prefer the "cold" approach. Humour is so forced in other movies that it end up sucking. I really don't like comedies and find them cringe. I think cinema is at is best when you are fully immersed and nothing is hindering your immersion. At least in Sci-fi.
I much prefer cold. I'm still on a mirth overload from the superhero genre.
Dennis also had pretty emotional ones to like prisoners, and that middle eastern story one.@@Jang9851
See I can't do cold. Because the cold approach is temporary once the emotions by text definition meaning triggered by stimuli in terms of a movie and Dune in this case its grandeur, excitement, and awe based on visuals and sci fi nature and technology, but when it comes to characters the emotional stimulus is cold very lukewarm its just plot. Those aforementioned emotions tend to fade on repeat viewings unless you feel them to really strong degrees but you need sophisticated human characters and writing for emotions to be deep for it to immersive long term.
They made timmothy look so intimidating regardless of being one of the skinniest men this world has ever seen. (Naturally)
5:28 - they couldn't have attacked earlier. They needed to draw the Emperor to the planet and they needed to build their army.
I think it became “easy” when he unified the Freman along with being in their home planet using the power of the desert. If not for that they wouldn’t have decimated the Emperor so easy.
That... And the atomics blowing up the wall and the false sense of security of the Harkonnen and the foresight of Paul
That's because of it being the sole location of the spice, of course. Otherwise, the Emperor would have simply blown it to smithereens..
been waiting 3 years for this!!!
Well… Paul is only a boy of 15 in the books. So 95 lbs soaking wet is about right…lol
6:00 the third act battle is so easily won because Paul is a male Reverend Mother and the Water of Life allows him to see into the future. Right before the battle he said that he see multiple futures all at once where their enemies prevail but a “narrow path through.” Someone who knows the future, can’t lose.
a bit ironic that he could see multiple futures and pick whatever path he wants, but he lost control of the war.
Ben it’s not always about the weaponry. In the book they keep reiterating that the spice must flow. Every planet every culture every humanoid creature either runs on or is addicted to spice( it’s in all things food, medicine mentats Bene Gesserite the navigators all) The spice can only b produced by the worms on Arrakis. Paul literally holds the one resource no one can live without( spice withdrawal equals death, no space travel no mentats, no navigators ect.)in the palm of his hands. He controls the production and distribution( he takes this control slowly but surely). He could literally destroy all of it. So just killing Paul is not going to work. Also Paul chooses the “Golden” path meaning he has to do X, Y and zed to achieve the outcomes that will lead to this path. Also doing what he did achieves many birds with one stone. He has all his opponents in one place(which took some time being that they are scattered across galaxies). It was more about politics than just winning a war with the side benefit of killing Baron Harkonnen(which Alia has to do to set up for a later possession that occurs in children of dune). Again to serve a Golden path Paul will have to give up the life of his first son victor, his wife(eventually down the line),start a Jihadi to spread his kingdom across galaxies, denounce his kingdom and he will have to denounce himself and his family as a ruling class( after building it up). All to spread people of different scientific backgrounds and beliefs across galaxies to start developing a universal think tank against what essentially turns out to be the same AI that had once before took over earth 1000’s yrs before Arrakis existed. Prequels to Dune mostly revolve around man vs machine, man turning into machine(Agamemnon was an evil Atreides that removed his brain and put it in a machine enslaving mankind who were overly reliant on machines). To counteract the AI humans made certain technologies illegal and started to evolve humans into biological weapons, thinking machines, incubators that can control what diseases u can eradicate or what children u will give birth to(using spice that increases a self conscious that gives u more control over ur body chemistry, movement and enhancing it making them super human). Paul saw every move his opponents were going to make he and those he trained could move with super human strength, deadly accuracy and were trained better than the emperors elites( he and his kingdom were becoming too soft and reliant on one resource). He used worms(weapons worked as well on Godzilla as they did on the naturally armored plated worms)which was the resource they so conveyed(can’t salt the very earth u wish to produce on). The spice itself was explosive when concentrated in certain areas. How well do guns and missiles work against something that can swallow u whole. Also Paul had home advantage. The emperor had limited water, wasn’t prepared for the severe sandstorms and Paul was sitting on the only resource that kept everyone from death. The emperor’s empire was held up by the very people that believed in the prophecy about Paul and were afraid of Paul( doesn’t Paul say fear is the mind killer?)which is on shaky foundation.
The books
the film have all that I assure you. I never read the book and yet all is known.
please use paragraphs! it's so hard to read massive amounts of text without them. interesting read tho
get a life @@Dextronaut1
@avinigotwm6128 excuse me?? Why you gotta be so rude? Nothing better to do than sit around saying 'get a life' to random people?
@5:14 You have to remember, Walken being involved in Dune somehow was foretold when he did the video for "Weapon of Choice" by Fatboy slim. Don't believe me? Look up the lyrics.
Astute comment.
WALK………without rhythm….and you won’t….attract the WORM……….POW.
I wonder what exactly people don’t like about Walken‘s performance in this movie?
@@Puma5 Rumor has it……that Chris……just plays himself……..POW.
@Puma5 he seems too.... himself. Nothing against the man, he's been a legendary actor for so many years, but I feel a Charles Dance or Donald Sutherland would've made a better Emperor. Hell, even a young actor digitally aged would have fit the part slightly better. But what do I know 🤷♂️
In the book the Emperor is suppose to look in his mid-20's more like someone who is 25 or 26, more of the same age as the younger actors in Dune 2, but Dune 1984 made the emperor old, and it stuck. I think they did this because audience might wonder why doesn't the emperor fight Paul, or some other thought along those lines.
The reason the Harkonens had so much trouble stems from a pivotal line in Dune 1 where the Baron is recovering from his near-death in the oil bath. I was a bit disappointed they didn't allude to it in Dune 2. He says "You have no idea what it cost me to bring such a force to bare here" The Emperor's 2-fold plan was to financially weaken the Harkonen while destroying the Atreides. The Harkonen did not have the strength to deal with the unexpected Fremen war.
From memory, Paul in the book was a small, skinny guy
that's right. a teenage kid in the first. Maybe in his 20s here. Plus, he's a pre-cog. Look at the boxers, the runners, soccer players, all super skinny, especially in world cup. Gotta be able to move. Shoot, look at James Stewart, the airman. Skinny.
The ease of the last battle is the point. Paul was resisting going to the south of Arrakis because he knew that if he did, he would become the leader of a MASSIVE and powerful army of fanatics and it would be the opening gambit in a galaxy-spanning holy war. He knew that the Lansdraad, the Emperor, and most of all the Harkonnens drastically underestimate both the number of Fremen on Arrakis and how capable they are. He knows that the only reason the Fremen haven't taken back Arrakis yet is because of the divide between the Northern and Southern tribes. He knows that divide between them exists because the Southern tribes are decidedly more religiously motivated than the Northern tribes. As someone else commented, the Northerners have been resisting, but not actively pushing the offensive, but *even that* resistance has been a cause for concern to the Harkonnens. Meanwhile, the Southern tribes have been doing little to nothing more than waiting for the Lisan al'Gaib before they will act. They are just as fiercely capable as the Northern tribes, but they haven't joined the fight at all. Yet. Paul knew that, if he went south, he not only *could* win the opening gambit of the war, he *would* win, but it would mean that the holy war would then become unstoppable, which is why he hesitates for so long. He ends up being pushed into making that choice by the actions of the Harkonnens and the Emperor, and once he does, the holy war that he forsesaw begins.
Did Ben really not notice the MILES OF ANTI-CAPITALIST SUBTEXT hidden within the movie?
If Ben acknowledged any of the subtext of the movie, he would have to acknowledge how woke it is and that would go against his agenda
Paul is literally 15 in the book and is described as "small for his age"
Dune is the single greatest example in modern cinema as to what all you can achieve if you make a movie that's not woke & centered around appeasing a certain group. What all you can achieve with great writing & passionate filmmaking
This film is woke BTW
@@MaraschinoMary1 Woke "is" undeniably bad..... irrefutably and absolutely and objectively so. Whether you complain about it shows more about your political ideology than anything else.
Brain rot conservatives mention being woke more than the actual woke
@@ethandalton6480what is your definition of woke? Mine is: Woke - An aggressive push for diversity, equity, and inclusion that is usually based on the belief that outcomes which lack these things are indicative of discrimination and/or unfair social treatment.
its hilarious that you kids let billionaires tell you what the definition of "woke" is. It literally means "NOT ASLEEP" because you're totally aware of something. For example: All of us that believed in Aliens decades ago were always considered WOKE but now you kids think that's a bad word because of the dumb ass right and their stupid agendas to brainwash you into thinking "woke" is a liberal leaning idealogy when all it really means is that your eyes are OPEN fully and you're NOT blinded by nonsense.. but go ahead and keep thinking WOKE is a bad thing as you literally ignore the very definition of what WOKE means even though you know exactly what it has always been
I learned that the movie was filmed digitally, they applied all of the visual effects and then they transferred it to film to make it all cohesive. One of the reasons the VFX look so grounded and real
If that's true how come every movie doesn't do it that way?? That's so simple and so effective
@@benjaminvillarreal1499 VERY expensive and time consuming to do
@@benjaminvillarreal1499 Because it's not the whole truth. Sure you could do that with any film, but it'll still look like shit if your underlying effects weren't given the proper time to be worked on by your CGI artists. You could not take the bad CGI from a marvel movie and apply the above technique to make it look actually good, just a bit better. Dune is what happens when a studio trusts a Director to actually get a movie done, and doesn't interfere, and the director is the best living director of the genre.
“Why didn’t they just do it earlier?” Someone wasn’t paying attention 😂 Here’s a clue, Ben: The Atreides Atomics.
I saw that one on yt. If anyone want to know: He got a ticket for false parking. He drives his special needs son every week to the hospital and on one of those drives he parked wrong to bring his son in who had an hard day. That video was so heart warming.
….Denis didn’t compromise the movie for new viewers. It’s a 50 year old book. Read it. I’m so glad that he didn’t water it down. Nolan and Villanueve are carrying the torch.
HIS NAME IS FRENCH NOT SPANISH VILLE---CITY NEUVE --NEW VILLENEUVE
I disagree a little on this comment. The changes made to Chani's character were for modern audience. In the book, she was completely on Paul's side and as a fremen, everything was for the good of the tribe. In the movie, she got mad at him and they essentially broke up at the end. It's the only change I am mad at
@@lestrada1351same that irritated me
@@lestrada1351 If I recall correctly, I think he said that he did that as a setup for the next movie... Not sure though and either way, we'll see in a few years!
@@dez7800Paul and Chani are happily together by the beginning of the second book. Irulan is wife in name only.
Master oogway said it best “a man often meets his destiny on the road he takes to avoid it”
It would have been funny if Ian McDiarmid had played the emperor.
All the super soldiers that have ever existed are small. Fast, low calorie requirements and skilled.
So, I literally just walked out of Dune part 2, it’s phenomenal. See it, see it in theaters. See it in IMAX if you can, it is worth it just for the visuals and the sound design. That said…I don’t like how it ended. I’m a book purest and I just don’t like what they did to Chani.
Denis V. Talks about this aspect and it makes sense. It goes back to Herbert’s disappointment that when people read Dune, too many saw him as a hero, not as the focus of a cautionary tale. That’s what drove Herbert to write Dune Messiah.
@@xiaobaozha No I get that but again, I feel like this just undermines the Character of Chani for the sank of current year girl boss BS. Chani is devoted to Paul body and soul and stands by him through everything.
@@Volper1 it doesn’t undermine her at all. She was a warrior already before she meets Paul, receiving further training after meeting Paul and her mother. Her reaction at the end is perfectly understandable in the context of what Denis V. was going for in the adaptation.
Yes I agree that it was a natural and more plausible for someone like Chani to react the way she did. The love that they shared in the moment only to be squandered away due to Paul making a more political choice for the sake of asserting a more permanent solution of control to the conflict on Arrakis. Not to mention she’s from the Northern tribes who have great disdain for the prophecies of the fundamentalist tribes of the South. Her belief was in Paul and who he was as a person; not in the prophetic Messiah they pegged him to be. In Chanis POV, I can see how she felt very betrayed by it.
@@joshual7145I don't think she's done associating with Paul though.
He got “pro-life” from a sci-fi, but ignores the fact that the whole Dune series blatantly mocks how easily people can be controlled, manipulated and enslaved by lies, under the guise of appealing to their hope and faith? The whole series heavily warns about the dangers of religion.
Not just religion, but politics and ideology aswell. It's core theme is for people to think for themselves
its Ben Shapiro- he misses the mark on every piece of media ever published.
Meh. No. The book might be a warn (not a mockery) about manipulation of any kind. But the movie is not that. It actually conveys the religious aspects very different than the book. In the 60s it was a "new" way to think about religion, but nowdays it's obsolete for a movie. The movie feels fresh and mix both ideas very well. Warning the danger of manipulative leaders and showing the true faith of a culture.
it's because he's a dumbass posing as an intellectual.
@ I guess what you don’t understand you can make mean anything. The Bene Gesserit created the prophecy, and then manipulate the houses to make sure their prophecy is fulfilled. That’s why Paul says something along the lines of, “what your people did to the people of this planet is heartbreaking.” “We gave them something to hope for.” “THAT’S NOT HOPE!” …or Chani’s protest of “…this is how they enslave us!” Sure there are a lot of players, doing a lot of things in the world of Dune via politics, betrayal, and violence, however behind everything is the Bene Gesserit. If you actually read the books, you’d know that things don’t end well for the Fremen. “Our plans are measured in centuries.” -Gaius Helen Mohiam, Reverend Mother, Bene Gesserit *after Paul rejects being the messiah* “The Mahdi is too humble to say he is the Mahdi” -Stilgar, Fremen “You underestimate the power of force.” “You underestimate the power of Faith.” -Princess Irulan to the Emperor
I watched Dune Part 2 last night. It was awesome! My friends and I didn't want it to end. I will definitely go see it again before it leaves the theater.
Dune part two was an absolute masterpiece in my opinion.
All I could think while watching was: "Dances with Worms." I loved it.
Nice catch.
The reason they didn’t attack earlier is not because the didn’t have the weapons but because they didn’t have the numbers. Paul had to take the time to grow his legend so he could get all the fremen to follow him.
The reason they didn't beat them earlier is they had to bait the emperor to come to Dune to have a final push. Plus he needed the nukes to blow the mountains to let the worms come through
The Fremen are incredible fighters. Gurney himself said that they could liberate the planet with just a few thousand troops. With the newly acquired atomic weaponry, not to mention the implacable sandworms, it is no wonder they were able to overtake the Harkonnen and imperial forces with such ease. They did not attack earlier for two main reasons. First, they did not have nuclear missiles, which were said to be game changers. The nukes were responsible for breaking the shields and destabilizing the enemy army. Second, Paul was afraid to become the Lisan al Gaib and lead the forces due to his horrifying visions of suffering. The Atreites fell to the initial invasion because they were taken by surprise from all directions, and they did not have the support of the Fremen. Strategy and coordination matter just as much as the technologies involved. Also, nuclear missiles were not involved, since it would not have made sense to nuke themselves.
I like how you mentioned the one political parallel you agreed with and completely ignored the whole major theme of the movie which is the indigenous fighting the occupiers 😂
Also, the major theme that religion is nothing but a tool of the ruling class to oppress the lower classes
Ben Sharpiro is hardly a beacon of fair and reasoned debate. He's as one sided as they come. So predictable his views turn into white noise.
He views this as a Red Dawn scenario. And believe me if Clint ever does a western again he’d probably do it from the native perspective.
The same "indigenous" launch a galaxy-wide Jihad with 60 billion casualties.
@@kevtb874your tears are blocking your perception of reality
While I agree that this is probably the best movie this year, it did have a few problems that Ben did not even touch on. First, the compressing of the timeline leaves out a few things. Chani and Paul's first child does not exist, and Alia is not born by the end of the movie. So, what was actually a ~5 year period in the books is compressed to less than 9 months. This has effects on 1) who kills the Baron at the end, 2) Chani and Paul's relationship, and 3) Alia's situation later (if they end up making Children of Dune to follow up). Second, Chani running off into the desert at the end never happens in the book, so it will be interesting to see how they try to recover the storyline from that. Because of the loss of their first child (in the book), Chani is not a reluctant participant in the holy war - she wants to burn it all down. With her being resistant to the idea, it changes how their relationship will progress. Third, they leave out the connection between Chani and Liet-Kynes (her father in the books, so presumably her mother in this adaptation).
This should be the top comment. While it looked and sounded great, they stripped out so much and made Channi-Sue that the plot hardly makes sense and the motivations are messed up. Paul drinks the Water of Life as a DIRECT RESULT of Leto II getting killed (his son with Chani). The Guild and Guild navigators aren't mentioned so you have no concept of WHY the threat to destroy spice is a good one. AND, nukes?? What happened to the threat to kill the worms with WoL so spice ends? Lazy writing. 6 out of 10 overall.
Guys, it’s a film. You can never adapt that much detail into a cohesive 3 hours. This movie is already long as it is. Denis is trying his best to use the source material as sparingly as possible without sacrificing the telling of the story. A book is a book. It’s a piece of entertainment. A film is a film. This is an adaptation of that story. So he is taking liberties where he can and he cannot. Even if the film did not have Chani have the first child or escape into the desert the premise was just as powerful at the end.
@@johncastle95 I think you are confusing criticism for condemnation. I agree that it is impossible to adapt the book directly to movie with no changes (as is the case with most books - some things just don't work as well on screen as they do on paper). However, when doing a review, it is worth noting the changes and the potential impacts that has on how the story will progress. While Villeneuve tried to stay close to the source material, the changes he made do have some pretty major butterfly effects later on (especially if he ends up making Children of Dune after Dune 3). When you make changes to a character's development (in this case, multiple characters), it changes their motivations (e.g. why Paul decided to take the Water of Life, why Chani was a willing participant in the holy war, why the houses feared Paul eliminating spice, why Alia is haunted by the Baron, why Jessica fears her own daughter, etc.). That can be a problem that is unsolvable (i.e. "The Force Awakens" and "The Last Jedi" put "Rise of Skywalker" into an impossible situation) or it can be a slight divergence that comes back to the story in a logical way ("Harry Potter" did this pretty well). It is too early to tell which this will be, but it is definitely worth noting when doing a review of the movie!
I think the changes work well for the movie. I wouldn’t consider them problems. I also like how he kills the baron and not some little girl
@@KaizenLegacyWirh the condensed nature of the storyline, it makes sense for them to make the changes they did to Chani. There is absolutely still time for them to bring her back into the picture for the set up of Children.
One reason why it was so easy for Paul was that he could see the future, and he could see the easiest way to win.
Ben: "Why didn't they attack before hand." *sound of aquiring the nukes*
I have read the books multiple times. Challenging and intricate, it is difficult to portray on screen. That said, these movies are great. Haven’t seen Dune 2 yet but planning an IMAX field trip soon!
If there is an IMAX Dome within 300 miles of your domicile, see it there. I have seen DUNE II at both formats and the IMAX DOME is about 100X better than the IMAX flat screen. The music is great. Very good and not too loud as some movies have the music so loud that it overwhelms the acting. I saw it Thursday night and then yesterday. Yes, the movie is that good. I will give it 12/10. When the original Star Wars came out in 78, it was a revolutionary/standard setting/adaptation book to movie. DUNEII is in the same class.
@@sjb3460 thanks for the recommendation! I haven’t heard of IMAX DOME but I will be checking it out.
How can you say these movies were great? Everything that made the books great is missing from the movies. Fremen culture's most important aspect is its philosophy and that was barely shown in the movies. Also, why did they even bother with the plot point about Paul seeing the future when they barely make mention of it. I guess Dune really is unadapatable.
@@natediaz1863 Yes, it is unadaptable, Dune would take 6, 3 hour movies to explain everything to those folks that don't know how to read. Yea, it didn't follow the book in such great detail but the other movies really tried hard and failed. The Dune creatures that read the book, and the sequals, know the story and the background and the explanation of everything. I kept waiting for Alia to make her appearence and kill the Baron. My summation: It's as good as it can be made. The Dune story is just too complicated, too entangled, too far beyond the usual science fiction movie. I have to give a lot of credit to Denis for not relying on CGI to carry the movie. The acting will not get an Oscar, an Emmy or a Golden Globe and truth be told, those awards are for dipshits and grifters. Go, see Dune II, enjoy the experience.
I think I'll go again, just to experience the IMAX Dome. I wasn't able to catch Dune I at the Dome, but that's okay, I'll just go again next week or so.
Big time spoiler fan. Especially nowadays when more movies are crap and you just can not assume it will have a good story. Thanks Ben!
As a book reader I wasn't at all surprised by the way the final battle ended. But my non-book reader friend had a gripe with how short it was and how it ended. Fun to hear that reflected in Ben's take here. So for those that are interested what happened in the book. Here's Paul's insane plan to an easy victory. *The emperor was so confident in victory, he brought with him his troops, his palace, his retainers, his maids, his ships* *A huge mother of all storms was reported in the area. These storms are dangerous enough to wipe flesh from bone and split and strip metal* *The city is protected by a huge mountain called "the shield wall". This keeps out the storm and other dangers* Paul sneakily set up guns on high ground positions far away from the city of Arrakeen where the emperor resided. He pre-aimed all these guns at the noses of the ships. So they would not be able to fly away after their noses were damaged. He planted atomic bombs on the shieldwall then waited for the storm to start. *At this point the huge storm begins. The Baron wonders if Paul will attack but the emperor believes that no attack will come because no one is crazy enough to attack during a storm. Everyone locks up and goes inside* Paul detonates the atomics on the shield wall *a huge shockwave is felt as the protective mountain is blown up and has a huge gap in between. Allowing the mother of all storms inside. The storm ravages the protective shields. Allowing the ships to be vulnerable to gunfire* Paul cannot see where the ships are. Nor can his men see them. But due to the preaiming they just shoot and manage to hit the unshielded noses of the ships. Making it impossible to fly without repairs. He then attacks with his full army DURING THE STORM. *The baron and the emperor are caught completely off guard. The emperor tells Paul's sister (born in the book but not in the movie) about how crazy her brother is and apologizes to the Baron* At this point with the home field advantage and with 0 worries about enemy technology, tanks, missiles or air support. They really do just walk in. Especially the sandworms waltz through armies of sardaukar straight to the palace. All the outside armies can only fight the fremen outside of the palace while Paul enters with an elite fedaykin squad. *The city was guarded and there are barracks and ships, and all kinds of defenses. But the palace itself is not heavily defended other than the palace guards. After easily getting in there are some battles in the palace but Paul and his elite fedaykin squad (which are basically almost bene gesserit trained sardauker at this point) beat the sardauker as there is almost no number advantage* So in summary, yes it was a cakewalk. But a cakewalk due to excellent timing, courage, planetary and atomic assistance, heavily trained men, and the ability to use vehicles (sandworms) during a storm when no one else could use any kind of transport. I don't remember much of the battle outside of the palace or how heavy that was. I just remember it was a complete blitz and there was not really any time for the emperor to plan a counter strategy or react in any significant way.
Not Ben being amazed that the unborn baby, which consumed the magic prescience potion, in fact was prescient.
the fact that he thinks this is how all embryos are 😆😆
Dune Part 2 is an absolute masterpiece in modern filmmaking. The cinematography is breathtaking, the score absolutely captivates you and draws you into the world. I remember when Dune (part 1) came out and I didn't want it to end, like I was living in that world. Dune Part 2 didn't disappoint, not in the least, it took the promise of the first Dune movie and not only delivered, but went above and beyond by bringing the audience into the story. You feel the characters emotions and the crescendo leading up to the final battle. I've never seen the same movie twice in the theater, this one is different, I need to go see it in iMax a second time.
Seeing today at 3pm in imax. This is a long awaited experience
I have seen it 2X.
@@sjb3460 back 2 back showings? I re-watched the 1st installment for the 4th or 5th time the other night just so it’s fresh.
For those interested, this movie covers only about 20% of the first book and there are some major changes that kind of changes everything. This is as much a Denis vision as it is Frank Herberts vision. Foe anyone who’s a fan of this movie - please read the books.
His projecting of Paul and the way we follow through his story his absolute idk pretty close to perfection id say. And Denis has shown that since the beginning of his directing career. We feel so absorbed, so immersed into the character and the world they’re in. You feel like that place is real, you feel like what you’re seeing is real, like I was creaming all over my pants watching Blade Runner, and then the same with part 1 of Dune, and then PART 2 … this man knows how to make my soul jizz.