The Two Real Viking Sieges of Paris 845 and 885
In this video we will ask which historical events inspired the part of the show Vikings. The Vikings stood at the gates of Paris many times and Paris was attacked by Vikings at least five times. Ragnar, or rather the Viking leader Reginherus, was the first to reach the city, while Rollo was one of the leaders of the last Viking siege of Paris. It was this final assault that inspired many of the epic elements in the series. So, let’s take a look at what the Vikings were actually up to in the Frankish Empire, how they came to advance to Paris, into the heart of the empire, and what role the historical Ragnar and Rollo played in these events.
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Chapters:
00:00 Intro
01:30 Shout-out
03:03 Chapter 1: The Norsemen in the Frankish Empire
06:53 Chapter 2: "Ragnar" The Siege of Paris 845
13:13 Chapter 3: Rolle: The Siege of Paris 885
23:40 Epilogue
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hi, great pronounciation of french cities names, main details to correct are: the S in paris is not pronounced in french and Metz is pronounced like "mess"
Telling the events while comparing it with the series is a very good idea rather than just saying the wrongs of it much more smooth content
One of the best history channels. I’m sure it is difficult dealing with the algorithm but I want to thank you for not giving up. I have been watching you since the beginning. Cheers
Watching this instead of studying for exams
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The Bald wasn't bald and The Fat wasn't fat 😆
He was phat though
And the Simple was no simple
More like slightly bald and slightly fat.
Sounds just like me!@@edgychico9311
The terrible wasn’t terrible, the elder wasn’t old, the pretender wasn’t pretending. These historical nicknames make no sense 😂
I hadn't realised how tiny Paris was back then
William The Conqueror wasn't the only Norman who changed history: another faction of Normans migrated and settled in Southern Italy and, under the leadership of the Hauteville brothers Robert Guiscard and Roger, eventually conquered it from Lombards and Byzantines, defeated Papal and Holy Roman Imperial forces, Roger conquered Sicily from the Arabs, while Robert and his son, Bohemond of Taranto, invaded the Balkans and inflicted some devastating defeats to the Byzantines. And later Bohemond would be one of the main leaders of the First Crusade and due to his previous experience in fighting against the Seljuk Turks (in Byzantine service) he played the decisive role in defeating the Seljuks at Nicaea, Dorylaeum, and Antioch.
I am like Charles The Simple. I see a SandRhoman upload, I click.
*Imagine someone say "I'm like Pepin, the short. As I have a pepin, that is a short one"*
@@GAarcherI think a pepin is a type of bird.
The illustration of Odo, with his period-correct sword, is very nice!
We need a simple video about the simple life of Charles the Simple.
the guy who plays Ragnarr made the tv show so much better. I got hooked on viking history after that
I see SandRhoman I click
Imagine being such a badass people in the future can't believe you even existed.
dumb question: Why did Odo and the Parisians not allow the Vikings to simply pass through and plunder Burgundy? Was it simple moral virtue that made them unwilling to be complicit in the killing and robbing of their neighbors? That's kinda heartwarming
Everyone was raiding each other back then kingdoms would raid ither kingdoms, they did not need proxy armies just a little combat to make themselves worthy of the crown. 👑
Would you trust them, an army in the thousands which likely outnumbers your city, would you trust a group of literal raiders to pass through without doing anything to your kingdom? The Franks had no choice but to fight I say and I guess it was the right choice seeing how well things turned out for Count Odo
Amazing as always. Keep up the great Work!
Small mistake at the timestamp of 23:48. I think that you meant 891, instead of 991. But that's just a nitpick. Great work on the video!
It was a real pleasure to watch this episode. So thank you very much
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this is really good. thanks for presenting this in such detail!
Amazing work as always
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These damn Frankish names Charles the simple, Charles the fat, and let not forget about bozo, it had to be pretty rough for him on the playground.
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Charles the Bald wasn't bald, Charles the Fat wasn't fat, and Charles the Simple wasn't simple? They seemed pretty bad at giving nicknames
Charles the Great was... kinda great. Sort of. One out of four ain't bad.
@@johntitor_ibm5100: Not great either.
Charles the Pretty Good
@@thewhiteknightman It's certainly more efficient than Charles the Shedder of the Blood of 4,000 Saxon Men (it was Actually 4,500)
This is uncommon history. TY
Thanks!
nice video
Wow Paris really was a small town back then almost a village 😮
5000 people "Almost a village"
@@LuanMoura-yr2dt Quite a few villages in the modern day have a population around 5000.
@@someonesilence3731 let me quote him once more: "Back then"
@@LuanMoura-yr2dt It s really pointless to argue over this but imagine that between ,,quite a small town back then" and ,,almost a village" is a comma ( , ). The ,,almost a village " part I said thinking of some rural places having similar populations nowadays.
@@LuanMoura-yr2dt While clearly not a village, 5000 will still surprise people considering Rome, for example, was at around 1 million people during its peak in the roman empire 900 years before. Town were much smaller than they were before during this period of the middle-age.
Really cool video
22:23 French knights sure were easily taunted, even when the Hundred Years War was still half a millenia away.
At least they won that war and in fact Normans were also French for 99%. It was some kind of civil war. Especially with the Burgundians (also French) helping the "English".
@@Leon-bc8hm Yes
Can you do a video on raiding, not just vokings but how other kingdoms would raid each other just to prove how worthy they where to wear the crown. 👑 Back then everyone raided each other and they didnt need a just cause to do so only to weaken their enemy or even neighbors.
I know WIlliam the Conqueror is a very trendy figure for the normand culture but the Hautevilles also left their mark and not only in Europe.
good stuff
nice job guys
yay! good viking history! love it!
The Viking TV-shows siege of Paris is more similar to Björn Ironside and Hasteins siege of Luna in Italy where they supposedly tricked them selves into the city by pretending to be a dying Christian convert, while hiding swords in their robes and sacked the city.
It would be interesting to know how the HRE faired against the Vkings.
The Viking's ability to strike when and where their enemies were the weakest is impressive. Both on a strategic and tactical level.
Who were in paris ?
After a few generations the Norse and Franks where no longer separate but one and the same. They would then be called Narcs.
Indeed. These people where well known to inform the authorities about any illegal activities they came across.
Wow Charles the fat was lamer than I thought. What a sad way to end the carolingean dynasty - they went out just as weak as the merovingians did.
I have never watched vikings.Is the wheel of death in indiana jones style rolling wheel of death
Basically It rolls down a corridor bridge using tracks and a chain to bring it back Crushes and impales a bunch and blocks the way
Reginherus is just written that way because the chronicles are in Latin. -us is nominative. Reginher or something that sounds like that would've the Frankish variant of his actual name, Ragnarr. By the way, that extra -r at the end is that exact same nominative, and is from the same origin has Latin -us. Regin = ruler, her = army.
So please refrain from calling him Reginherus unless you're willing to do your entire video in Latin and call Charlemagne 'Karolus Magnus' etc.
And Charles the Bald as: Karolus Calvus. You see how it makes no sense what you have done? Otherwise, thanks for the entertaining video.
I'm pretty sure that chain thing is what they did in Constantinople against the Ottomans.
It was rather comon and yes constantinople used also chsins, bext to nany otger port cities.
Lindisfarne was not the first Viking raid or attack on British soil btw
This is true. But I think they were not well documented, therefore ignored.
@@Vandelberger They raided the South Coast nr Portland Bill first, in Wessex at that time
Ragnar is a Scandinavian name. Reginherus sound like a latinasion.
rip BOSO
Next video needs to be the many treaties of Paris.
Nice
Charles the Fat .. more like Charles the Flaccid. Just lets them go on their way with the raid despite bringing an army to their face. Can't imagine how the Parisian defenders felt
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Wow thank you for this video and I am actually related to one of the Viking commanders the one that was named rollo and I am related to him because one of my 3rd great grand uncles had an eighth great grandfather and this eighth great grandfather was the 17th in lineal descent from Gundred who was the daughter of the William the conqueror and from William the conqueror to rolo you go to Williams great grandfather Richard the first Duke of Normandy aka Richard the fearless and he was the grandson of rolo and his wife popapa of Bayeux through their son William longsword the second count of Rouen.
Stop LARP:ing lmao
@@ville3932 what’s larping.
lmao stop the cap
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@@chasechristophermurraydola9314 Live Action Role Playing..?
Great video
It's great how you juxtapose the history with the TV series. It helps to legitimize the show, despite its fictional elements, while setting the record straight. Cheers!
No! No! Vikings is real footage from the time. I’m sure of if it. But, yeah, the number 30-40k is a joke. It would have been the largest army ever by far of the age.
Where female warriors tossed large warrior men with no effort 😂 .
"My cousin saw it in a dream, this is how it happened..."
yea
Hold on there ! Ragnar (as played by Travis Fimmel) did just exactly that. I saw him !
Lol
Ragn = war Vald = Power
Charles 'the fat' was not actually fat 🤷♂
He was big boned
No he wasn't but I bet Charles the skinny was.
You should do a video on the Russian strelsty
Yes
This video provides a fascinating insight into the tumultuous period when Paris faced the relentless onslaught of Viking invaders. The meticulous historical narration sheds light on the complex dynamics between the Frankish Empire and the Viking raiders, offering a captivating journey through this pivotal moment in history. Kudos to the creators for their thorough research and engaging storytelling!
There is not yet such a thing as a "knight" in the Carolingian period (defending Odo), that notion belogs to the middle medieval period (11th-13th centuries). The film seems to do the same thing: situating the siege of Paris in a 13th century material context instead of the 9th. Is it due to a lack of documentation of the film makers, or did they just not expect the viewers to recognize a Carolingian environment, so went for a better known one, which is a little like an insult to the viewers?
Vikings is historical fantasy, the problem is viewers who expect entertainment to be education.
@@greyfells2829 Ok but my comment is about the historical analysis in this video not the film which is by the way deplorable...
@@petrapetrakoliou8979 The viewers of the film mostly knew that things were jazzed up for the story, but there was some underlying history. The show has encouraged many to actually learn more about the history.
@@mch2359 Viewers know the story is mostly made up, but I doubt a lot know that the buildings represented are 13th century instead of 9th century. Not much progress had been made in that area since the film "Vikings" with Kirk Douglas, at least there it is was more like 12th century. But of course, it is still good, better than having Napoleonian hussars against Vikings, perhaps I am expecting too much.
@@petrapetrakoliou8979 That is interesting that the buildings were so "modern" for their time. It reminds me of movies about the old west. All the towns were dusty and faded like they were a hundred years old. Seems like Blazing Saddles was the only "western" that got it right with new towns being freshly painted. Anyway, this time of the Viking invaders is interesting, a more fact based telling of the history, like in this video, is a real treat.
No, the Normans were Frankish in 11th century, the Vikings quickly assimilated into the Gallo-Frankish world. In terms of numbers, they were much inferior, and adopted the regional customs already existing before in Neustria. They had regional differences with other regions in France, but no more than the Burgundians, Picards, Angevins, etc...
They did some tests on some bones from Normans and they found that most regular Normans were atleast 25% Scandinavian. Viking settelment didnt stop with the first one, vikings from Norway, Iceland and Denmark continued to come to Normandy into the 11th century. Normandy would be literally nothing without the vikings. Who do you think they got their fierce fighting spirit from
@@NoName-qe4yx I didn't say the contrary, but there's more to the story than just DNA. All Norse things were diluted with the Gallo-Frankish world in the region of Neustria, particularly with Marriages. But also the language, trade, the art of war (they became heavy cavalrymen, and knights, where the Vikings fought on foot), castle life, regional customs, feudal politics (vassalage of the king of the Franks), culture (the Song of Roland had been heard during William's conquest), Fashion/Clothing (The Normans shaved short like the Franks), Religion (Entirely Christian), etc... The Scandinavians were massively few in number in term of ratio to maintain their culture, they quickly assimilated. This certainly created a unique region in the Frankish kingdom, but this was the case for all regions of the Kingdom. Each had their own dialects of Old French and customs. In the South of France, they did not even speak in Old French, but in Old Occitan. Which gave more cultural differences. It's like comparing France and Spain today. As such, the Normans were closer to the Northern Franks than of the South.
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12:00 Gee, what a bozo
There are a few mistakes : - Paris was the capital of Francia since Clovis in 508. It remained the capital of the Kingdom of the west Franks after the treaty of Verdun in 843, and then of France until today. - Rollo's defeat at the battle of Chartres was in 911 and not 991* - The Normans (of which i am) are a mix of Vikings and Gallo-Franks, but the latter have in reality always been the largest part of the mix. That's why the language is very similar to other oil languages (which includes French), and the culture is close. And also why they become christians. Also, Normandy has never been independent, and always part of France and technically, the Duke of Normandy was a vassal of the French king. By the time of Hastings, the Normans were basically a French people. They sung the song of Rolland before the battle, used Frankish tactics and half of William's army was not from Normandy but from other regions of northern France. He even had mercenaries from Lombardy. And later, the language of the English court, law and aristocracy was French, for centuries...
Tell that to the English they can't handle the fact. They say Normans were 100% Vikings so they don't feel to bad about themselves. We all know they were 95% more French than Danish.
Paris was not the capital, as one singular capital did not exist at that time. The most important cities were Reims, Aachen, Metz, Soissons and Paris, but there was no single capital until the end of the frankish empire. Only under the centralisation and establishment of the french kingdom under Hugh Capet, Paris became the single main capital.
@@Echoak95 at the time of the Viking raids, the Frankish empire was over. Paris was the capital and main city of the Kingdom of West Francia But sometimes the King spent much time in one of his castles in Soissons, Laon or in later centuries in the Loire, and ruled from there. But the centre of power and institutions were in Paris
@@skiteufr the Frankish Empire was not over yet, as it existed for a short time as an united empire under Charles the fat until 887, when Paris was no residential or royal city at that time. The empire titel even existed to the 920s, but yeah at that time you are right with the importance of Paris and west Francia.
@@Echoak95 stop your bullshit man. You're trying to pinpoint a detail that lasted two years to support an invalid point. The Empire ended in 843 with the treaty of Verdun that split the Empire into 3 parts. The western part become the Kingdom of Francia Occidentalis, then of the Franks and France. Paris was the capital. Even when the royal palace was located in Versailles or elsewhere, the centre of institutions and ambassies remained Paris, always. The temporary and Lucky revivals of the Frankish Empire that happened from 875 to 877 with Charles II of France or from 885 to 887 with Charles III the fat were merely symbolic and did not change the political apparatus and system of the previous entities, who split very quickly anyway and came back to their previous status
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I don't know about any other inaccuracies but your map of Mercia is grossly wrong
Ahhh, Paris! The City of Lice!
Spoiler for vikings fans leif erikson wasn't here 😅. But there's a few books about him, i have a good one with maps and all
hundreds... lol, hunderds
As a French, I am estonished by your good pronunciation of French location
PArce-que l'auteur est Québécois je pense.
thirty years war when will countie
Amazing as usual. Any update on the 30 years war??? I read Wilson's books so to see a series along those lines is amazing, considering it's a difficult read
Shoulda put it in the title that this was a comparison video to a TV show!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I love historians in one Breath they say Ragnar didn't exist and in the other they state that while the Monks account of the numbers in the Siege are obvious exaggerations everything else is accurate. Napoleon was right History is just a lie we all agree to believe.
It could have been Rollo the "Bonerless", who knows.
The glaring historical errors made the Vikings-show unwatchable. I manged only to stomach two episodes.
Had the same feeling when i first tried watching it in 2020, if you treat it like a historical series it's pretty horrible, what worked for me was just treating it like Lotr or Got just treat it like a fantasy story with historical characters and you'll enjoy it alot more.
Same here. I long for the day when we will get historical accuracy as a norm in dramatazations of the past, and not only documentaries. A real looking viking warrior with gambeson, mail and Gjermundbu style helmet. Atleast one can dream. 😅😭
It's not a historical documentation either.
It's tries to make itself seem historical though.. that's an issue@@bayramaktas4135
Yes it was a very weak show.
The stammerer didn’t stutter either, stuttering wasn’t invented for hundreds of years later, we all know so many things KZhead is cool
Not mentioning that Dorestadt was raided in migration era decreased weight of video.
You’re auti$tic
Vikings was such a shitty show both historically and in a vacuum.
Yeah. They made a number of mistakes including overdoing it with the female viking which is why I quickly lost interest.
Season one was pretty good and had many historical accuracies (considering how little we know about iron age Scandinavian culture)
They go so hard into made up crap and showoff they just might as well start puting aliens and spaceships in them
I hate how the characters look, especially the Vikings. Looking like the Sons of Anarchy cast
When will the Thirty Years' War continue to be updated
Are we going to golden corral
I must say, Paris in the 9th century looked nothing like what they show in the series Vikings - it looks like a 13th century town with Gothic architecture. Happy I didn't see the series.
Don't let historical inaccuracies stop you from watching great television. Just immerse
@@ark6768 Impossible, I'm afraid. I'm too a visual person and medieval architecture was with me the whole of my life.
@@petrapetrakoliou8979 : So what? King's Landing is supposed to be on some other world, with continents named Westeros and stuff, not present-day Dubrovnik. And you could still disregard that and watch Game of Thrones. The show Vikings is fiction, just like GoT; it isn't supposed to be a documentary any more than GoT. (Not that it was very _good_ fiction; I didn't watch much of it. But at least I had a valid reason not to, as opposed to the one you espouse.)
@@ChristianConrad I don't know what you are talking about, what is King's Landing and how does Dubrovnik come into the siege of Paris? Westeros sounds like a real place in Sweden (Västerås). And I am sorry, I just can't, if the architecture isn't right than the weapons and the clothing are probably the same and I just can't enjoy it as an archaeologist who sees too much.
@@petrapetrakoliou8979 : 1) I fricking well _mentioned_ GoT and that it is fiction. 2) "If the architecture isn't right" *for what?* No, the series' architecture "isn't right" _for a documentary_ -- but the TV series "Vikings" *isn't supposed* to be a documentary; it's as much fiction as Game of Thrones. There is no canonical truth for fictional architecture, so it pretty much by definition _cannot_ be "wrong".
Charge walls from sea ? PARIS IS ON RIVER
Why not? There were many historical sieges in which the city walls were assaulted from the sea, the most notable probably being when the crusaders besieged Constantinople in 1204 - they did assault the walls from their ships, scaling them with ladders, and were incredibly successful in this regard.
@@andreydragomirov8559: _"There were many historical sieges in which the city walls were assaulted from the sea"_ Not _the city walls of Paris_ -- which is what this video is about -- since *Paris isn't on the sea.*
@@ChristianConrad , semantics. Perhaps I should have said "bodies of water" instead, so that I keep you happy and avoid petty arguments.
Yes, @@andreydragomirov8559, semantics. You seem to be trying to come off all superior, as if semantics were unimportant. They aren't; they're about what the words we use mean. If you don't care about what the words you use mean, there's no need for anyone to take what you have to say seriously, since it could just as likely be meaningless as useful. So, yes: You should. No "perhaps" about it.
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You're kissing the ass of the TV producers far too much. This isn't 'artistic license', it's just lying about history.
And its been taken over by the enemy now and they didn't even have to use weapons
Very interesting History of Charles the Bald, Charles the Fat and not-yet explained one of Charles the Simple! Also Louis III defeated the Vikings at Saucout-en-Vimeu and a poem was written about it, named Ludwislied, ,,the Song of Ludwig" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwigslied
Vikings are equivalent to Mongols. The only difference is that the Vikings raided the sea, whereas the Mongols raided the land. The other difference is that the Mongols had the largest contiguous land empire, whereas the Vikings established colonies across different lands.
Mongolians nomadic steppe horsemen & the Norse are permanent had permanent settlement & set up many kingdoms & settlement in lands that had none. Vikingr from Vík + -ingr means (belong from or came) a vik=bay/inlet. Bay or inlet comer. Vikings were as much merchants, explorers as they were naval raiders. You should look up the Viking expansions as Erik the red & his son Leif Erikson reached the America's in the 10the century founding a settlement in 1021. Norse colonization of North America was a thing. Crossing open Ocean in the 10th century rather then making a contiguous land empire are 2 very different matters. The 2 are both impressive but nothing alike.
Both had a raiding culture But if we’re talking northmen vs mongols I’d say mongols were worse, norsemen had more traders, farmers, nobles and other societal roles I feel most mongols would just be raiders since the tribe travels as a whole and you kind of have to do what your chief is doing Of course both cultures had many jobs/classes for their people, I’m just speaking in higher percentages for certain jobs
@@squidmanfedsfeds5301The Mongols killed 40million which is 10% of the world population in the 13 & 14th century. the Mongolians went beyond raiders to human disaster. The black plague killed between 25 & 50 million for perspective which both events happened at roughly the same time. Great Famine of 1315-1317 caused in decent part by the Mongolians ruining continental trade lead to 10 to 25% of urban occupants to starve to death on a seperate note in the same period. Only a few million but all these event add up which is why the 14th century was hands down the worse period to be alive in in Eurasia & north Africa. This mass death & desperation caused European live to be so rare & highly valued that people were paid real wages doing great personal ventures that formed the bases for the age of enlightenment. People thought god abandoned them so dome even resulted to the pagan European gods for answer but the brightest atheists & deists sort knowledge from the ancients in Greece & Rome being both dead societies. I don't think people understand how truly impressive the destructive force that Mongolia once was. Mind Mongolia fvcked up Asia far worse then Europe. Siege of Baghdad (1258) ended in 800,000 to 2 million dead Muslims alone by Mongolia. Siege of Kiev (1240) lead to shy of 50,000. Europe was slaughtered in the sanguine agros=blood lands in land of eastern Europe. Central Europe managed to survive the Mongolians mainly by terrain & by building high walls with deep trench's in high lands or marshes that the horse could not cross well. Western Europe & central Europe was saved by masons as well a lot of peasant with shovels to dig dirt. The Mongolians mind likely left central Europe as it was not impossible to invade but simply not worth the effort. Why invade a land of vast difficulty for modest riches rather then a rich land with no defence like the middle east, the Indus valley or China? Even the Mongolian must have understood that they expanded their border to a unsustainable reach's to reliably hold.
Vikings lost more battles against the English than they won, fact.
Yes because the English paid off all the fights they knew they would lose. Can't lose a fight if you pay your opponent to leave lol
If you research many of these battles historians are not even sure they took place and it could be famine,disease etc that caused the vikings to leave aereas instead. Vikings were in Britian for over 400 years after all so how badly could have been defeated.
Ragnar Lothbrok is real!
Paris is in France! Like... The only thing you're announcing for all the world to see here is your own previous ignorance. Is that supposed to be good for anything?