Hi-Fi Rush PS5 Review + Xbox Multi-Platform Releases - The Story So Far
Hi-Fi Rush has arrived on PlayStation 5 and it's an excellent port of the original Xbox Series X and PC games... with slightly improved shadows. Tom Morgan reminds us of how great this game is, and examines Xbox's multi-platform record so far. From Ghostwire: Tokyo's Xbox issues to Pentiment receiving 120Hz support on PS5 first, surely Microsoft's flagship console should automatically be the best place to play its games and the first platform to receive new features? Great games get a wider audience now and that's a great thing - but Xbox needs to dot all the Is and cross all the Ts a little more carefully.
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00:00 Introduction
03:02 Hi-Fi Rush: Slightly Improved Visuals on PS5?
05:24 The Multi-Plat Story So Far: Ghostwire Tokyo
06:47 The Multi-Plat Story So Far: Pentiment
08:50 Series X vs PS5: Which Is The More Powerful?
11:13 Hi-Fi Rush Is Exceptional On All Systems
I am here for the mature and objective comments that will surely follow.
Console warriors are like terminators They never get tired. They never sleep. They just show up right away in every tech video ready to meme
Console war children will never be mature, they act like children
poopoo peepee
Yep. Yeeeeeep. Though there's one thing I'll say which is odd: there's an over abundance of coverage on any Xbox drama, like it's some sure fire way to attract viewers. Sony doesn't lack in that department with botched PC ports for instance, but it doesn't seem to reach quite the same fever pitch...
@@Allyouknow5820 its simple , xbox content is lacking and has been since x1, the games released havent been spectactular either. ps and nintendo have flops and flaws as well. but they have been delivering content wise.
PS5 also seems to have better texture filtering, just look at 8:30 the spinning letters on the tower look much better on PS5 than on XSX, hard to believe you didn’t see it right away.
That seems like a difference in TAA ghosting rather than texture filtering?
@@existentialselkath1264 Maybe, the fact is it looks much cleaner on PS5 which is very... concerning coming from a game that was a Microsoft exclusive.
@@cjit26 yeah, I understand all that. Just don't think it's specifically texture filtering
Welcome to mid-range 2016 PC gaming
@@Kubush1 I've been playing on PC ever since 2002, luckily I've been able to own both gaming PCs and consoles, console capabilities lay on their optimization not their hardware unlike PC.
I'm just here to stan hi-fi rush
Good man.
Rare to find an actual gamer who doesn't act like a cry baby when it comes to a plastic box
Bought it on ps5. Couldnt get into it. Movement is so slow and boring. Combat is not good either.
I second this. Incredible game from start to finish.
I think everyone who truly cared about this game is happy it came to PlayStation too, the only ones unhappy about it are those youtube channels dedicated to console elitism, whether it's an Xbox elitism, Sony one or Nintendo one, who in most cases won't even play half the games they cover. Exclusives don't work as they did in the past, these days they feel much more like limiting the audience rather than a reason to own a different console, biggest reason being just how much more expensive consoles became in the last ten years.
It's probably a DirectX issue with Unreal Engine 4. That would explain the strange graphical deficiencies in HFR on Windows and Xbox. The same could be said of Ghost Wire but for Xbox specifically. PlayStation's APIs definitely seems to have less overhead, since this issue keeps showing up in games as early as Control : Ultimate Edition. Having faster hardware means nothing if the software used to issue commands to it is inefficient. Not to say that Direct3D12 is inherently inefficient but, compared to what PlayStation has (GNM and GNMX), it certainly seems less efficient in that regard. DirectX is supposed to be used across a wide range of Windows devices, whereas PlayStation's GNM/GNMX is just for PlayStation devices. I'm not an Xbox or PlayStation developer or a software engineer, so this is just speculation, but I'm inclined to believe that the Windows part of the Xbox's design is basically the issue when compared to PS5. To bring the Xbox to parity here would probably require an extensive overhaul of the development kit, and it's software. I don't see that happening. If it runs, doesn't crash and performance isn't egregious, it will ship. It's not out of laziness or carelessness, but a financial investment issue, I think. Again, not a console developer, I'm just shooting darts at the wall here.
I have no doubt there's at least a grain of truth in that tbh.
In a sea of useless fanboyish comments, I thank you for making one of the only valuable comments in this entire section. And to add on your theory, I do think it's an Unreal issue. On PC as on Consoles, UE has always been very poorly threaded and very dependent on single core performance, and would you look at one of the biggest improvements quoted in UE 5.4 "improved renderer performance" which almost certainly means that CPU performance has been somewhat addressed. Indeed since the CPU has to issue the draw calls to the GPU for what is to be rendered, there are no big mysteries : if you want better render performance, you have to optimize CPU time used. Which Epic famously did not. I actually do by the way that a non insignificant amount of games running on UE have poor performance on this current generation because of that engine being so poorly optimized. With custom engines, you get things such as The Witcher 3 on Switch. With Unreal, you get PS5 games that have no choice but to upscale from 720p to 4K. And obviously FSR is then blamed when really, it's not the actual culprit here (even if that answer most certainly would not be pleasant to hear by our Nvidia lover Alex)
Oh and you're absolutely right about devkits, but with rumors (and certification in certain countries that has leaked) of a new devkit for Xbox, Maybe, just MAYBE, there will actually be improvements regarding gamedev on Xbox.
It's also in what you are considering as the less than optimal presentation. They all look good to my eye.
This is likely the reason we get so many bad PC ports too.
8:30 there is a difference in the scrolling text on Hi-Fi Rush there.
Hellblade came out on Switch before Ninja Theory was even bought by Microsoft.
People just forget that Hellblade came out first on PS4 and PC only.
@@denernogueira8829and that Xbox fans made fun of that game relentlessly but now say the ip is amazing and better than everything on ps5.
Im glad this game is on PS5. Looks pretty good!
I picked this up - for the first time - on PS5 and it is of some amazing quality!
Developers should pay DF to do their QA.
You evidently know nothing about QA, which is why you are going straight for them.
@@pixelroutine4609 lol u mad? I did some SW validation in automotive and currently do Mfg Testing, so I do know a bit about QA.
Theyre already in the pockets of MS.
I wish they’d release the Ori games next
Oooo. I love the Ori games. I kid you not Ori 2 is the only game ive played I can genuinely call perfect. It's so freaking good. I hope they port them as well. I really liked most of the games they ported here but Ori would be amazing to spread around more as well.
@@sawdust8691damn I have both on pc and for a while and never played them, maybe I will next.
@@randybobandy9828 Definitely give them a go. They are fairly short. The first is great, around 4 hours long. The second ramps things up a TON. Very similar in design to Hollow Knight, around 9-10 hours long. And on the list of my all time favorite games. And currently at the top of the list for prettiest game I've played.
How is the audio latency?
Waiting for the Stellar Blade demo reviews from this channel
Well John already tweeted that he thought the demo was fantastic and the performance was as smooth as butter on PS5.
@@Packin-Heat.Alex won't like it. He hates the male gaze. Well aimed at women that is.
@@Mopantsu I don't think Alex will do the analysis.
@@Packin-Heat. I wasn't that convinced, it seems to run well on performance mode, but there's a clear hit on resolution/clarity, quality mode solves that issue but the framerate seems to my eyes to be 30fps or even lower sometimes, so not fit for a game like Stellar Blade. Didn't think the balance mode was good enough either, so if the game gets reviewed by DF I'm sure they'll recommend performance mode.
It wouldn't surprise me if some MS exclusive sold MORE on PS5 than on Xbox, especially if they released day 1 on both. PS5 players actually purchase their games instead of wanting everything on game pass and refusing to even consider games not on there.
Great, video, but could you please lock the ps5 and Xbox screens to their sides and not switch it up every time? I got annoyed trying to see the differences only to realize that Xbox gameplay moved to the right and the ps5 moved to the left. It’s annoying
Might be worth mentioning that ports often involve reaping the benefits of further development that are often part of the porting process, particularly for devs only resourced for developing one platform at a time.
seems to be quirks from their respectives dev api's + devs revising the games for the port. I feel it's good while the fixes and updates also get patched on the OG releases.
Direct X 12 Ultimate is a mess for PC and Xbox. The excuse was that these games were developed for the PS5 in mind but these former "exclusives" show that's not the case. Devs are having a hard time with Stutter Struggle on DX12 on the PC and it seems DX12 has more of an overhead on the Xbox Series consoles than whatever API the PS5 is using.
Linux shines again
The upcoming PS5 Pro: "We will see about that"
Setting aside platform wars for a minute (really), I observe that ports often improve a very small number of things (or way more with Alien: Isolation on Switch) but also often gain some new bugs (especially if a platform-exclusive wasn’t designed with multiple platform APIs in-mind in the first place).
So happy to hear Tom back:)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
Where’s a stellar blade tech video???
Shadows AND LoD is higher and smoother on PS5. Why leave that out?
I really do hope Hi-Fi Rush gets the love it deserves
i hope every xbox gets buried in the desert next to ET. no vr, no gyro, no adaptive triggers, no haptics. TWO machines every dev hates...
@@joejoe2658Ah yes, devs infamously love coding in absolutely useless features into their games.
@@joejoe2658Why list the least important parts of the PS5? You just like the better controller haptics? I like gimmicky fun stuff too, but none of that hardly matters. I do wonder if Sony will continue making VRs in future. I doubt it but maybe. I just hope they give PSVR2 PC support soon so i have more reason to use it.
@@sawdust8691 they need to make them cheaper and success will come
@@joejoe2658are you okay man? tough day?
PS5 API is more efficient. You can’t really gimp software to create parody at such low levels.
Did you mean parity?
good video Tom
I'm just here to read the comments, sadly the most fun of these roundups.
*BRO DO STELLAR BLADE DEMO VIDEO NEXT.* 🙏🏽
I enjoy xbox, but they can't seem to help themselves. Most wounds inflicted upon the brand are self-inflicted. You would think upon porting the game over any improvements made would be transferred over to the xbox series x version. They need to focus on their core consumer first. As an xbox and nintendo player, I am happy to see games ported over to playstation....just take care of your core consumer along with the new playstation players.
I only see inept developers along with equally inept directives, Phil Spencer is very permissive and it shows that there is not much discipline.
Microsoft's 20 percent boost in performance is negated by a 20 percent decrease because of its crap draw calls 😂😂😂
I feel like it comes down to the fact that the Xbox os is just a custom version of windows running dx12, while the ps5 os is custom code, it honestly wouldn't surprise me if ps5 has custom close to metal drivers while Xbox is using modified standard AMD drivers considering how much better rt performance is on ps5 despite the identical architecture and similar spec, either way Microsoft really needs to consider rewriting the Xbox os to some degree, one of the main advantages of consoles has always been the fixed hardware and if the console manufacturer is failing to provide APIs designed specifically for that hardware there's not much developers can do
The PS5 OS is FreeBSD-based, same as PS3 and PS4 OSs. I suspect the parts that count are custom though, given a lot of unusual choices, like extensive use of exfat over a more typical unix filesystem.
No wonder they stopped with their "most power console ever" buzz term
Just like the stopped with existing lmao
Now they just called it "the most powerful Xbox ever". Microsoft flip-flops like fishes.
I gave my brother my series x when he moved. I really don’t miss it, especially since I got the steam deck
I'm glad I never bothered getting one. PC is all im sticking with from now on. I have a modded switch too .
@@randybobandy9828bad thing about PC is ports tend to suck and shader compilation stutter
@@syphonunfiltered PC ports are fine. Many just have problems the first few weeks
How’s the Dolby Atmos audio delay on hifi rush ps5 vs series x? I would assume nothing has changed and the PS5 version has noticeably less audio lag.
I had to switch off Atmos on PS5 because the latency made Hi-Fi Rush unplayable, I couldn't get through the tutorial because my button presses were off the beat. Switching to Linear PCM fixed it. I'm not sure if this is my setup or the PS5 (PS5 > LG OLED C2 > Samsung HW-Q800a via eArc to the TV)
Even if it is just a bug, why in the hell does the competitive platform sees it fixed first? It does not make any sense from Microsoft's perspective.
Literally no one would even notice or care about these differences, lol.
I would guess Microsoft is trying to exit the console market. They have made the worst decisions possible.
@@randybobandy9828Not without taking parts of the gaming industry away with them.
I love video games and i have all 3 consoles, but i legit always forget i have a Series X, i havent turned that thing on in ages
Sell it, save up for a new Nintendo
I bought a PS5 in December 2020 and I've played it a handful of times. You like what you like.
I'm excited that this game coming over means it's getting a physical release, through LRG at least if not retail. I want to own this game on a disc.
I just hate them because they take forever.
@@dapperfan44 i know someone who bought something from them and after 2 years it finally showed up
I'd like to see a DF analysis and compilation of Xbox Series vs PS5 comparison to see and keep the score of which has games that runs better on which system.
Sooooooo.......... what's the resolution? Never mentioned it. Talked more about Xbox than the game itself.
On paper specs and tflops do not always equal real world performance. My guess is that the SX can't create triangles fast enough for all the CU's to be taken advatage of, on the other hand the PS5 can create triangles faster and can utilise it CU's more effectively.
Or the issue is DirectX for Xbox
@@mitchjames9350 DirectX has always been a problematic API, could be both. It also seems that Sony's API is better at shadow rendering in some cases as there are a fair few games that have better shadows on PS when most other settings match between the two, just something I've noticed.
Or , just maybe , Microsoft has the worst engineering and design team in the industry , try using Windows. It literally still has 2 settings , and The X consoles run a modified version of it.
@@miggies8140 I hate using Windows, I literally only use it for the compatibility, once translation layers for Linux get better I'm probably going to move to that. Windows was literally the bane of my Comouter Science Degree.
@@chrismorrison5301 don’t forget the team could of used the opportunity improve graphics etc while porting it to the PS5. It doesn’t mean they couldn’t do the same for Xbox.
What is that game at 9:50?
Monster Hunter Rise
It’s fucking amazing Runs best on PS5 btw
Thanks folks!
@@christonit6895 Monster Hunter Rise. Latest Monster Hunter game. It's pretty fun. It was a Switch exclusive for a while but it got ported to everything else too. I'm currently playing it myself.
Fantastic game, and I’m happy that a bigger audience gets to experience it.
Why whenever the Playstation runs a game better theres a "Bug".
Because 9 out of 10 times that's what it is 💯 should they lie about it to make your fanboy heart feel better?
@milk6765 9 out of 10 huh lol! But I'm the fanboy.
@@FJTabb I mean just kuz I'm stating facts doesn't make me a fanboy 💯 either you can accept that or you continue to be a delusional fanboy your choice 🤷
❤@@milk6765You're the delusional fanboy here, someone who looks at Teraflops and automatically assumes one console is superior
@milk6765 I mean I'm the one that's stating facts. There is a bug everytime the Playstation runs better. Is there a lie in there somewhere? You never heard these guys say that on many of occasions? Only the fanboys would come I'm here and call other people fanboys for pointing out something that can be proven. But hey that's yall only counter I guess 😅
All I know is that xbox has audio delay with atmos. No thanks, lip sync is important
Loved this game. hope for more to come in this ip!
I have both consoles and when games are in motion I can’t tell a difference.
Someone needs to link this video to phill Spencer so he watches it
You think he isn't aware ? 😂
@@Blindsyde5762he really doesn’t come over as an aware person
Microsoft themselves were dumbfounded as to why the PS5, is outperforming their console. There is articles about it on the internet. Maybe DX12 is just garbage.
thank you for continuing to shed light on the topic. Microsoft should do better on their Xbox games performance.
I love this happening. Just bring everything to everywhere and let us decide on what to play (my case being pc, and the console money for the upgrades 😊)
I'm happy they released this on Playstation and Switch as a primarily Xbox player. Wish Sony was a bit more like MS with titles like Forespoken, which would do well on Series consoles. I have PS5 and Xbox. It's not cheap to do that for most, so sharing a bit helps.
It's not on Nintendo Switch...
I feel that microsoft shot themseleves in the foot with the existence of the series s so those that are developing for xbox have 2 consoles to develop instead of 1 like on playstation this means less time for both consoles and the results speak for themselves based on most of digital foundries videos this generation.
Why haven’t you guys done “Banishers “ yet ? It’s been out for awhile now 🤔🤔🤔
Because it runs better on Series X they got to wait for the patches on PS5 to bring it to parity 🤷 I've learned that if their video gets released right away it's a PlayStation advantage 🤷 if it doesn't come out for weeks or even months it's an Xbox advantage 💯
@@milk6765 you’re absolutely right , and that’s why I brought it up and put the thinking faces lol …DF is full of crap
Because it’s a garbage game
Let's get the core fundamentals of the engine before we even consider resourcing more peripheral issues like bass maturity that's like a dlss post-processing pipeline and less of a higher order hardware necessity
FINALLY I can play this game!
The End of Xbox centric channels an Journalists is coming to a end, what they going to do do a comparison vids on Xbox First Parties vs Xbox First Parties Exclusive Games On PS5?
If it's not painfully obvious by now, it is clearly far better and easier to develop for the ps5. It also should destroy the "paid for parity" narrative 😂
I pre-ordered the game as soon as it appeared on the playstation store, I hope many others did as well and we'll see more great xbox games on PS and switch, because as much as I'd love to buy an xbox, my wife would kill me if I'd put another box under the tv
Did Digital Foundry forget about Psychonauts 2 being a previous Xbox release?
being a xbox fan now, it's kinda hard...
Why? Most people just play games and leave the console warring to the children.
They lie all the time
4:15 and you can see the SNAP word sharper on PS5.
DX12 is a problem. Theoretically it's not, but empirically, in practice it is what causes Xbox & PC to always fall behind.
I'll be picking this up as soon as the physical PS5 copy arrives.
Where’s the Tom raider remaster analysis soul patch? Get to work on it 🤘🏻
When a game runs better on PS5 it has to be a bug or oversight. Or maybe, the Sony platform is just as good or better as Xbox.
Game developers just had more time on the Sony site and they do with Xbox
@@danielwilliams3161how so the developer is a owned by microsoft
@@danielwilliams3161you obviously didn’t watch the video 😅
@@danielwilliams3161 that doesn’t hold water at this point. The HiFi devs have had plenty of time with both platforms.
@danielwilliams3161 with all the things you could have said, you choose a vague excuse. If you tell me that unlike Xbox, Sony have a more efficient development environment wich allows developers to extract as much performance as possible from the hardware, it would be a better option.
Why do the console platforms keep switching which side of the screen they're on? That is very irritating.
we love Hi-Fi rush a game made of love. im very happy it's on the PS5
Xbox doesn't even care enough to ensure the version for their own more powerful console is comparable to their competitor.
Bigger buyer market on PlayStation could lead to more development resources applied to those versions (for non-Microsoft studios).
Happy that HiFi rush gets more success. Sad about what Xbox has become. Good job Phil Spencer... oustanding job even !
As someone who plays on Xbox... f*** exclusivity... Everyone should enjoy this masterpiece 😝
I'm not saying it was bad but personally it didn't resonate with me.
You should switch platforms
@@dreadlord2704san why? I have a ps5, xsx and steam deck. Nintendo switch doesn't interest me.
no vr, no gyro, no adaptive triggers, no haptics. TWO machines every dev hates...
@@fishmo_mofish I meant PC
1 week fanboys call DF microsoft fambo u s and the other week they are called sony fanboys. It's hilarious to see fangirls (for any platform)
What
@@ErenTheWarcriminal What what?
I would have liked to hear about load times and the Dualsense implementation.
Jet set radio👀
This shows you that software is more important then hardware :)
This is what 10 years of Phil in charge gets you.
Phil the real gamer Spencer
Wnats that?
@@mileshodge3477Your competitor's console running your software code, better than your own console.
@@ttt22295 Phil drive Xbox into the ground Spencer.
For me, Hi-Fi Rush is one of the best games ever made. So it is amazing that more people can experience it and especially nice to hear that they will have an equally great experience with it
I've played Hi Fi Rush, is a ritm based Devil May Cry basically.. is great!
Mark Cerny is a fucking wizard bro
I mean.. it was obvious streaming would be more important than pure gpu power this gen. PS5 Pro will adress that too though
I mean ultimately, they’re both just Zen 2 systems
Say you know nothing about console hardware/software without saying it...
Wish he would use his wizardry to make the OS and store page's not so glitchy. Gotta press the buttons way too many times for it to activate or show what you want it to
I love his glasses
Xbox basically telling you why you shouldn't invest in Xbox hardware to play Xbox games. Clowns. 😂
You're the clown for caring about this debate at all.
@@emporioalnino4670- Xbox purchaser 😂
@@emporioalnino4670Dumb logic, dumber comment.
This game is amazing, it's a shame it is broken on gamepass. After 4 hours in I had to drop the game because the power box minigames are impossible to pass (even after reducing the difficulty and turning accessibility options on).
we need one of these for the new ark ue5 version
To be fair in cyberpunks case Xbox is running the game at a higher res overall so the performance difference there isn’t unexpected
facts.
In performance mode yes but in quality mode PS5 has higher resolution and same FPS as XSX.
In performance mode, you'd want the optimal performance, not res, as that's the entire point of the mode.
You should've tested Hi-Fi Rush for the latency on both consoles, that's what actually matters in this game.
PS has over 90ms latency. Xbox probably triple that.
@@dreadlord2704san That doesn't sound right. Some games (e.g. Rocket League) have latency as low as 33ms. Depends on the game, really.
@@ThePreciseClimberAre you talking about server latency when playing online multiplayer games?
@@dreadlord2704san And you're saying that based on what, exactly?
@@dreadlord2704san no it's already been tested PS5 has far more latency that's why digital foundry didn't talk about it
I played this title over Xcloud. It was really painful to see what I thought was gonna be a calibrator to compensate for input lag, only to have it be a "latency check" that'll just tell you there's an issue but not give a way to offset it. I still played through the whole game like that, but... It was really more frustrating than it should've been, otherwise it's a great game
Vulkan?
I played them on gamepass, but I suppose if I had paid full price for these games individualy id feel a little more emotional about 5fps.
At this point is genuinely feels like Phill Spencer just doesn't care and that is a problem.
Welcome to the digital world
A world without crap box
9:52 what game?
Monster Hunter Rise
Wow as an Xbox gamers , I feel Xbox just doesn’t care at all anymore.
Microsoft does a lot of shit much worse than shadow pixel count being a little lower. Not as bad as Sony but still.
they do have a really powerfull machine, but the API side of things is the issue. Seems like all those years of hard development enviroment (ps3) really helped sony to polish and take the most out of their consoles
They're just cashing checks like landlords off of other people's IP that they put zero work into building themselves. Sony got where they were because they built talent, but Microsoft just buys it after someone else already built it. They might as well be the Chinese making IP theft reverse engineered clone ripoffs after the real pioneers took the risk and built an actual new idea from the ground up. This methodology shows that Microsoft will never innovate with new ideas, only chase trends and data metrics for already-successful ones
@@jeandelafuente1"Just wait for the tools" - Xbots circa 2020 ~ now
Bots down bad.
It’s officially over the truth is finally being told! I have both and it’s no comparison honestly Ps5 is next gen series s/X made Xbox current gen 1.5 Halo and or Gears by the holidays🤷🏾♂️
Not really, we're happy you special persons are willing to finance the gamepass for us. So keep buying our games so we can play them for free.
@@redhunter1535And then when Microsoft cheapens the gaming industry, and then monopolizes/subsidizes it. Cheap customers/gamers like Xbots are going to be paying a high price in the end. Might as well pirate.
@@jayclarke777 Stfu and go finance gamepass
PS5 is a toy for kids and tech illiterate dads. Welcome to mid-range 2016 PC gaming tho @@jayclarke777
Does Hi-Fi rush implement haptics and the trigger on PS5. I feel like this would be a perfect game for those features, pay attention Sony
Slight shadow or 120 fps performance differences hardly qualify as issues, honestly. Both feel like really fringe cases but are minor facisnations nonetheless. If it’s a fun game and performance is mostly the same on a standard mode, then that’s what should matter. It’s nice to see as much parity as we have now, especially considering how generations past felt so staggered going back to Gen 6/7 where Xbox versions looked the best compared to their PS counterparts. That changed with Gen 8 where PS4 looked better than Xbox. Now with Gen 9, both consoles are almost indistinguishable.
Yeah, the fact that the XSX isn’t beating PS5 with 1.8 more tflops. The fact that the Ps5 seems to have some improvements missing on Xbox is strange.
Mark Cerny once stated that having less CUs with higher frequencies makes it for devs a bit easier to program. Its easier to fill all the CUs with usefull tasks when there are less of them, and with higher frequency the tasks are done faster. So basicaly if a game runs better on PS5, its because the game uses the same amount of CUs on both PS5, and XBOX. The extra CUs on XBOX arent used because it requires extra time and investment to allocate tasks to then. But because PS5 has higher frequencies on CUs, it outperforms XBOX. Sony screwed up alot with with PS3, and learned from XBOX 360. Microsoft can now learn from Sony.
@@stanmarsh8012 yeah, it feels like the 7800X3D and the 7900X3D CPUs. In most games, the 7800 is more performant despite being a step down technically. It doesn't help that Microsoft has made the optimization challenge two-fold in the sense that devs have to optimize the Series S and then decide if they want to optimize the Series X. Given the numerical advantage of the PS5, I can see them feeling very lackadaisical when it comes to optimizing the Series X on top of the Series S. Maybe if the Series S didn't exist, we'd see more examples of Plague Tale with a 10%+ advantage but, alas, the Series S sealed my Series X's fate😂
It’s a shadow bug. Same as on PC. That’s it
@@stanmarsh8012What could Sony learn from Microsoft when the 360 had a 54% failure rate? 360's 3-core CPU was a repurposed Cell CPU that IBM/Sony worked on together. Even if 360 was easier to develop for, it was at the cost of failing consoles.
It's clear the hardware is better for some games. In my opinion both consoles have their pros and cons.
You know you keep hearing how teraflops don't matter. Maybe numbers don't matter either when ones engineered for gaming and the others not. Lol. It's no secret that the Xbox series X CPU and GPU are a hybrid not specifically built just for Xbox games
Do you think the PS5 processors are any different? They are incredibly similar. Same architecture
Diablo IV could also be a good point of comparison. It is an IP that now belongs to Xbox and before the acquisition it had marketing with Xbox, having a better performance on the Series X compared to the PS5 at launch.
This is a good thing -- much better to buy hardware because it has some interesting or unique feature, not because a game is only available on it.
At this point we need to ask, do Microsoft even trying?
Good question
Microsoft do even trying only to making the money from we
I have to wonder if the S us holding the x back, difficult to add or remove settings?
that makes no f*** sense, that's like saying my 1650MaxQ laptop is holding back the 4090.
The Series S is a big hurdle depending on the game, but not for graphics usually. You can always just lower quality. The main issue with the Series S is RAM. So games with complex simulation systems and more advanced AI struggle noticeably It has the same RAM capacity as an Xbox one, so anything that was too big for that will be too big for the series S. It’s why BG3 took so long to come to Xbox, and why the texture/asset/NPC pop-in is so bad on series S. It’s a necessary sacrifice to achieve advertised frame rate. As for if it’s held anything back, I’m not sure if any developers have thrown out features or ideas because of the technical constraints of the series S.
aside from games like Baldurs Gate 3, I doubt it This is most likely Microsoft and it's development teams not caring enough about their own console. Meaning it'd still be a problem even if the S didn't exist
@@MaxIronsThird well no, we are talking development time here, if you HAVE to developed a version that runs on both, but have limited time, you may not have enough time to optimise for the more powerful hardware. While similar, console and pc development is not the same. Also, how many games on pc run like shit even on that 4090? Kinda proving my point here, thanks.
@@Balasca wait, what games run like shit on the 4090?
I’m so pleased they moved this onto ps5 as it’s the one Xbox game I wanted to play
Why is it never noted that this could actually be down to the fact Sony built a custom SSD bus that transfers uncompressed data lightning quick freeing up the CPU for graphics rather than trying to build a console with horsepower like a PC which is designed to be modular and upgradable. Removing a whole series of compression/ decompression has got to be part of the reason for this 🤔
Runs best on PS5..not a surprise.
PS5 is a toy for kids and tech illiterate dads. Welcome to mid-range 2016 PC gaming btw
@@Kubush1 And yet games run better on PS5 than Series X. How do you explain that, Einstein, if the PS5 is a 2016 PC? What's the Series X, a 2014 PC?