Riot Brightmoon and Pupulasers talk about Vanguard, bot AI, and skins. Phroxzon reflects on the removal of Preseason, the gameplay changes, and discusses the seeding of new players and negative LP gains in Ranked.
For more info on the bot AI check out the blog: leagueoflegends.com/en-us/new...
For more info on skins check out the blog: leagueoflegends.com/en-us/new...
For a condensed version of this video check out the TL;DW: leagueoflegends.com/en-us/new...
Timestamps:
Intro: 0:00
Gameplay: 0:35
Vanguard: 2:47
Bots: 3:28
Skins: 3:44
Outro: 4:13
I've played this game for 12 Years, and thanks to Vanguard I will not be playing it anymore.
i too
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Played since game launch they do nothing for YEARS about the amount of bots, trolls, etc in general a toxic enviroment espeically for new players then randomly decide this is the year to introduce SPYWARE to try and combat the YEARS of ignoring it? yeah I am with you as long as they require SPYWARE to play a FREAKING VIDEO GAME then I refuse to play it anymore.
Please don't integrate Vanguard into LoL. This program is so aggressive and messes with my PC everytime. So I was forced to stop playing Valorant because of this...
imagine optimizing league for older PC's then putting in Vanguard to get rid of all that effort, crazy.
Older PCs don't have TPM 2.0, so optimizing is not needed - profit XD
Vanguard is literally the reason im never coming back to league tbh i am a rather security and performance focussed person, so I will absolutely NOT run a kernel level software all the time, even if i just want to play one game of league a month. thats a security risk and performance dip i will not accept. I dont think riot will change anything about this, but as long as vanguard has to start with windows all the time and runs even when im not playing league is unacceptable
stop playing on a toaster and buy a real pc, when sth like a little anticheattool gives u performance problems. cheater detected.
sus
I hope u also dont use Iphone, Windows, Google services, meta products if you are a security person
@@wetzlarerjung "cheater detected" this is such a dumb comment given he clearly explained his motivation for leaving. It's obvious it wasn't about him not being able to cheat.
@@wetzlarerjungBe more chill
First I thought Meddler was fired too lol
same
I believe he was going to change to a new position right?
Salty redditor
@@poro3246 They said he was getting married so he's probably on his honeymoon. XD
too good to be true.
Vanguard is nearly maximally intrusive and affecting of people's ability to play. You really expect people to hand over that kind of access to protect the game, when the whole reason there are so many scripters and hackers right now is because you couldn't protect your own data? I'd rather play with a hacker in half of my games than play league with Vanguard. It's arrival will be my permanent deletion of the game unless it's removed. Principal alone is enough justification, let alone all the potential sketchy things it opens the playerbase to.
I am happy so many actually oppose Vanguard.
Vocal minority, maybe 1-2% of the playerbase will quit because of this.
@@kamiz0It is still good many voice their concern.
@@kamiz0 No, many will quit. At least 30% of the player base. Word is getting out quickly on how much control it will have over your personal life.
@@godspeed2145Cope, lol. Valorant has dozens of millions of players, and nobody gives a f*ck about Vanguard. People who watch this videos are already a fringe minority, and those who say they will quit because of Vanguard are even smaller group. Most people will just carry on like nothing happend. Also, what control it will gave over your life?
@@AppleBaron Mosst valorant players are low IQ, of course they don't care.
na fam vangaurd is not touching my pc yall shouldnt need that kinda access for an anti cheat I dont trust it
what dont you trust about it?
@@ares3208 bro it is a software that runs at the deepest level of the pc. ANYTHING and I mean anything is possible to happen at that level. Lets say you trust chinese pple to not put spyware into your pc when they get the chance to (like that will ever happen). Even if they dont access your private data, if they get hacked one day. A hacker could easily get Keyloggers,remote access or anything super dangerous onto your pc. Vanguard is pretty unhackable but will you take the chance?
its chinese spyware for tencent @@ares3208
RIOT is owned by TENCENT which is owned by the CCP (Chinese Communist Party) by installing vanguard you are trusting your data to the Chinese, good luck with that.@@ares3208
@@ares3208 maybe that its made by a chinese state controlled company. anyone who installs vanguard is tencents little b**ch
Skarner is one of the “surprises” right
They can't release him until April, they just can't. They should release it in March
The guy that was working on it got fired so we are not going to see it anytime soon. Samy with Shyvana.
They commented on reddit that he is hitting pbe in a few weeks.
who?
they said mid-year before.. so i guess it's a yes
Just make it so that Vanguard isn't always on when league isn't even open.
Finally a half decent take
@@farmatt6737From a guy who doesn't know what he's talking about. Vanguard is a Ring 0 program, it can't not run and then restart properly without rebooting windows entirely. As much as I despise Vanguard and its concept, the way its designed it can't work differently.
The issue with Valorant is it needs to be on when u play. So u need to restart the pc. But after you close valorant you can right click the icon and turn off Vanguard. But you need to restart pc next time you play. They want to prevent injection or preloaded hacks before you launch the game.
Never going to happen defeats the purpose of it.
Then The cheaters won’t stop cheating and anti cheat is basically useless. Thats how good modern cheaters are. They run their cheats at level 0
Vanguard will be my retirement of LoL, I never used cheats and I'll never will, that's not the reason, but because I will never install any application on my system that runs on kernel level, no matter what it is, it's not happening, period. I had a good time all these years in LoL, it was a fun journey
ain't that deep
same here
@@gs7326 Only when you’re a zoomer who doesn’t care about privacy since you put your life on SM, or a Tencent implant.
@@gs7326You're addicted to league to the point you give up everything else in your life. just take the L brah
9o
Hey, just letting you know I'm quitting because you're introducing vanguard. Nothing against you all as people, but riot as a company is simply not trustworthy of ring 0. There has been a long history of compromises and indecent behavior from both Riot and partial owner/parent company Tencent. Farewell league of legends
Man its pretty sad, i wanted to come back to the game but the game literally wont run on my rig since of the new tpm requirements lol, ill have to do with my moms or sisters laptops…. 😭
The vanguard implementation was the final reason for me to finally delete LoL form my pc. No way I'm insalling a kernel level anticheat on my pc...
You do you mate
Garuntee you already have games with kernel level & didn't even realize it as a TON of games have it
@@themuffinprincesa21guarantee that i don't. not to mention riot's version runs 24/7 and is owned by the CCP.
you have BattleEye, Easy AntiCheat or anything else like that from any other competitive game? Cause those are all kernel level anticheat softwares aswell
@@SFBMatryx nope, only competitive game I had installed was league, I tend to play more singleplayer games or pve coop like borderlands for example, or monster hunter
As long as vanguard isn't deleted, I'm not playing any riot game. Remember, however many players you lose because of that rootkit, it is your own fault
Not playing isn't enough, uninstall vanguard or it will run when you start your PC
@@nic.h Yup, but I haven't updated the game in months so Ilm good on that front Still going to uninstall
goodbyeeeee
@@nic.h uninstalled vanguard and lol completely ..also checked if the service is still there
Im not letting something as intrusive as vangaurd on my PC, thank you guys for the fun i was able to have with this game its been great
This is where I'm at, sadly. Was just starting to be interested in the direction the game was going in again, too.
Ya'll acting like the government dosen't have all the info on you already and If you own any social media they also have sold ur info.
@@iamgodgg6882 I have a modicum of care for security. Having that level of access is unneeded and avoidable, so I'll avoid it
cheater confirmed
@@iamgodgg6882 Doesn't matter, and it's not about the info. I'm not willing to let someone have that level of control over my computer whenever they want. It's more about the principle of the thing for me.
I have not once encountered someone in league that felt like he cheated. And everything in league needs to be confirmed by the server anyway. Putting Vanguard into League feels wrong.
???? Bait ???
@@ivangranada5299not bait at all. I've also never once dealt with someone that actually seemed like they were cheating. Scripts and such affect a very small percentage of players in this game and I hate that they're shoving this sketchy of an anti cheat solution down everyone's throats just to cater to that small percentage
@@ivangranada5299never got a scripter since 2015
i'm in an group of people that tested scripts in the past and as soon as they opened them (in 2022) they got permabanned, hope this will end at least the bot farming in coop-vs-ai but i could never accept this kernel-level spyware that is vanguard
i have been playing league for 8+ years, and i am master atm, i have seen so freaking many scripters its insane, in urf, ranked, normal drafts, most people just cant see it if you arent really, like really into the game mechanics, its often the reason why low elo players often wont "see" or encounter this, because when they do, they just think that player is very good. Vangaurd is needed, atleast in EUW, where i have seen all this scripting.
I'm quitting in the vanguard update
Who cares about you
@@internetextraordinaire1472 I do
No you are not, stop kidding yourself.
@@moodyblues179 what do you want?
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I ain't playing anymore if vanguard is a requirement.
I would really like to know why, as i've read this quite a few times now
cya!
@@DepressedBenBecause it installs onto your computer as a driver that boots up with your computer and needs to stay on as long as your computer is on even if you're not playing league. If you turn it off, then you have to restart your computer to let it start up again to play league. Other anti cheats will turn on and off with the game but Vanguard wants to be on all the time.
@@DepressedBen some people actually have enough brain cells to recognize, when a company is over reaching into privacy and potentially exposing your PC to RATs and 0days for no reason. Its a VIDEOGAME, you are installing an always-online, from bootup, 100% full hardware access program, that can (and will) disable any drivers, programs, files, and potentially send them back for "analysis", at a whim. And there is nothing you can do, no way for you to know. In Valorant, it disabled mouse drivers, keyboard drivers, removed files, crashed systems, required BIOS setup tinkering, and who knows what else that we were never told about. its a VIDEOGAME guys, its a shooting pew pew game, and you are trading all the security of all your information that is on your PC, in your browser, in your network even. Riot is overreaching with this one, and i am glad many people are recognizing when enough is enough.
@@DepressedBen I don't want it running in the background while league is closed; ruining game/PC performance; invading privacy; affecting the use of harmless mods; or unfairly banning my account out of the blue, as its already been happening in PBE. I get that they want to get rid of cheaters, so does everyone else, but vanguard isn't a good idea. I'd rather they use another system or make it not run while the game is turned off.
Playing late night ARAMs with the boys was fun while it lasted, but I'm not going to be installing Vanguard just to play a game I only half enjoy.
An understandable take, I don't think it's that annoying tho
@@justsomeweebwithamustache2674 it certainly could be in league and has been for people in valorant
Literally playing late-night ARAMs only as well for the last 5-6 seasons. Quitting as well because of Vanguard.
It's not about it being annoying or not , Vanguard is an INCREDIBLY invasive and intrusive to your privacy , it runs even when you're not playing league of legends and records EVERY keystroke in your keyboard , colletcs data on your pc and leaves you open to harming malware should a group of hackers have bad intent for tencent (company who owns league of legends) @@justsomeweebwithamustache2674
thank you, me too.
I didn't think the reason why I'd finally stop playing League was introduction of Vanguard, and yet here we are. Having an always-on rootkit is a no-no already. And on top of that with the announced requirement for TPM 2.0, I am just not willing to go out and buy a piece of hardware for my PC to enable it.
same brother. 12 years of playing done with in a single update. Dissapointing
You realize you can just downgrade to windows 10 to play right. The TPM 2.0 requirement only applies to windows 11
@@erikpurdy1930just downgrade to windows 10 bro, TPM 2.0 only applies to windows 11 users
during march while they "fix their bugs" sure but theyll make it compatible with 10.@@highpocrisyy
@@highpocrisyy Right now you can, but *apparently* some time after this summer, they intend on making it a requirement for Vanguard to run. Which will essentially mean it won't run on Win10. (But I will admit that I can't find a hard source on it now, despite seeing it on multiple websites around December)
I don't want kernel level spyware from China on my machine Riot.
So just dual boot with a second partition? Not difficult. If you care about your privacy you should be dual booting regardless
@@RickyRozayyy That is not common know how or knowledge. Not feasible for lots of people.
@@Polaroyce very easy to do. Plus anyone who seriously cares about their privacy will be doing this already so won’t really affect anyone that much
@RickyRozayyy what's a dual boot ?
@@RickyRozayyyI'm not very tech savvy yet I care about my privacy. I didn't know about that and i'm sure almost nobody does. It's easier to just not play league for most people. Including me.
The only thing that really makes me hate Vanguard is the fact, that it disrupts many community-developed eSport broadcast production toolkits (like the one from the Riot Community Volunteers. I am part of eSports Cologne, an eSports club in Germany and we do many community casts of our club teams in the Prime League. Due to Vanguard coming to League, many features like gold graphs, custom scoreboards, objective counters etc will not be working anymore, as they have used passive memory reading. I, and many other esports communities, would really appreciate, if Riot Games could make this data available via the API or cooperates with community developers (like the RCVolus) to find a good solution. Thank you very much for reading and supporting with a like!
All the things you listed are all already in the API?
@@DarkorbitForever12its about showing them live, and that's not in the api
They don't care about the little people.
@@Dragonmist19X dragon quest 9 best game I have ever played
Small price to pay to have 20x less cheaters in this game
hey, listen man. just here to let you know me and my friends have already uninstalled league after the initial vanguard news. we had issues with it in the past and it was the sole reason we are not playing valorant. best wishes, league player since season 2.
Same here, my group have been playing way less since the announcement and will probably uninstall if vanguard does go through. We'll be awaiting the release of Smite 2 as an alternative moba lol
@@Jozzo Pretty much thinking of doing the same, Smite 2 and all
Same here. I've been playing since the end of Season 1.
I've played league on and off for about 8 years now but with the addition of Vanguard I'm quitting with this update. I beta tested Valorant and the version of Vanguard used then caused a boot drive corruption on pc which cost hundreds of pounds to fix. I forwarded this information onto Riot and while I'm sure they've taken that information onboard to make sure it doesn't happen again, I can't afford to risk it. This isn't even considering the other implications of having software running at ring 0, and the security risks involved with that. Even though League is pretty toxic, its been the go-to game that my mates have played for years and we've made some good memories, so for that thanks riot.
keep yourself safe
As someone who had his past with broken PC's. It is really just frustrating and depressing going through a PC-repair. After finally getting a stable PC, I just cannot risk having this experience repeat itself.
u could have fixed that by installing a new windows
@@bence2345 Honestly my guy this was the first thing we tried, the damage was so bad however and that meant we had to replace parts before we could reinstall a clean boot of windows. When it came to data recovery, the SSD I was running was absolutely minced. We ran extra tests because I wanted to know what caused the issue (I work as a video editor and I wanted to know if it was any of my software causing the issue). Reports came back and we forwarded the data logs onto riot after finding out it was vanguard, still it wasn't a fun experience.
@@123hattan I feel you my guy, its not a fun experience.
"That's it?" -Patchy the pirate
Small indie company, remember
Nachos 🚂 choo-choo
9ooooooooo
Vanguard goes in, I'm uninstalling. Finally.
LMFAO okay, see ya scripter
@@4rifr0mthe3nd, so everyone that doesn't feel comfortable with Vanguard is a scripter? lol
@@4rifr0mthe3nd chinese and spyware sounds cool right :) btw cheat devs can easily bypass vanguard anyway (there's a video explain how and how easily it is)
Same. I've been playing since the end of Season 1. Looks like I'm finally quitting.
@@4rifr0mthe3ndThe Tencent implants trying to act like people who don’t want Vanguard are cheaters 😂
The moment Vanguard is necessary to play, I'm quitting League, I'm not giving that type of access to my PC
You do you, not sure we all needed to know it tho
@@justsomeweebwithamustache2674 Because we would like RIOT to understand what introducing this is going to do to the player base. It isn't just one or two people complaining about it.
999ooo
womp womp
@@nic.h well I mean it is an understandable complaint I agree, on my part I do think this will solve a lot of problems, furthermore kernel level anti cheat is bound to become more and more common, Microsoft already has all my info, if some Devs have it too it ain't changing much (plus I do think it's what I like to call a "loud" minority and it won't affect much of the playerbase anyways, witch is up for debate but we'll see soon enough) As for what I think is the real problem with vanguard, it would be the inability for windows softwares prior to 10 to run the game, since lol tends to be the game for potato PC's usually, anyways that was my full point, and people are obviously allowed to disagree, in the meantime I'll wait and see. PS: Rip my Shrek Gragas tho
thank you for no longer allowing me to play the game, that i played without a problem on my pc for the last 6 years.
goodbyeeee
can we skip for that part when you withdraw the vanguard idea ? people cant wait it when the client crash and die because of it
Despite privacy concerns, vanguard also stops people with older pc builds from playing league, since vanguard does not support older builds unfortunately
What do you mean by “old” builds? It’s 2024, any PC made in the past five years or so will have no problems running the game and vanguard
@@Noxlion28You'd be surprised how many people have not upgraded in the last 5 years lol. Probably two thirds of the global playerbase.
@@Noxlion28 You do know one of the biggest reasons of leagues success is that even a potato can run it right
@@skdeathxlife yes, but a “potato” in 2012 is not remotely the same as a “potato” in 2024.
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Don't really want a kernel level spyware on my machine Riot
I'd rather this than cheaters any day. Ruins gaming
@@jaihayes9647 how many cheater you find nowdays in league? No; losing lane and calling the opponent a scripter, dosen't count. Only bots i found out was just in the bot games i did, for easy quests or the related achie points, so they can then sell the accounts. Then again, if you can find a good bunch of cheater on valorant "all the cheaters" you found these days will remain there
@@jaihayes9647and how many actual cheaters have you encountered exactly? People like you are why scam calls, phishing emails, and other malware attacks still run rampant. "Oh this is gonna prevent cheaters I'm just gonna blindly download it and everything will be fine!"
cheater confirmed
@@jaihayes9647 10+ years of playing League and I have maybe encountered a MAXIMUM of 10 cheaters.
Can't play with vanguard running, lag x3
I had similar issues, it turned out Valorant was disabling my CPU overclock before my PC even loaded. So even if I never opened valorant, I still couldn't play my performance intensive games without them lagging. Only solution was to uninstall valorant/vanguard.
Vanguard* disabled overclock sorry, not valorant
I hope enough people quite League for Vanguard to be removed
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This
WHERRES MY SKARNER REWORK
I SECOND THIS COMMENT
Probably arriving in like 14.6 or 14.7
Fr wtf
Skarner's been dead for years...
And Shyvana too!
League was aways a game that I kept going back to no matter how much time it passes after I get tired of it... well, It was. I'll not bow my head like Valorant players accepting Vanguard running in my OS background even when I'm not playing the game, nothing justify that, no other anti-cheat is intrusive like that. Thats where I'm out for good. It was a good ride.
How did OW players bow their heads…?
@@Noxlion28Idk if anyone kept playing after the release of Overwatch 2, they'll play literally anything with no standards.
@@FaryaWolyo_ OW2 is great though. It gets a lot of undue hate. It’s F2P model is decent, it gets a lot of content drops now, the dev team is continuing to experiment with different changes to make the game feel better to play, I still enjoy it quite a lot.
@@Noxlion28Homie they literally lied to your face 3 times
@@FaryaWolyo_ yeah, so has every other company in my entire life. It’s still OW and I enjoyed the original game. I also haven’t spent a dime on it since it went F2P. I had 1000 hours on OW1 and I only paid $40 for it. Life’s short man I’m gonna play what’s fun to me 🤷🏼♂️
I unistalled LOL because of vanguard annoucement, if they end up putting it in sure i will never come back, and i am not the only one
Or just turn off your cheats, play properly and then you'll be fine!
@@cloudjumpergg2057 i'm low elo, what kind of cheats i may be using?
@@cloudjumpergg2057 extremely lame to assume everyone who doesnt want to have a very risky program on their PC is a cheater lol...
@@cloudjumpergg2057it's obviously not about cheats, since league barely has any anyway, use your brain.
@@cloudjumpergg2057such a good boy
Quitting in Vanguard update.
They sneaked in this update Windows 7 no longer being supported (for no reason at all) so I guess I'm excluded now. Would quit on my own in Vanguard update as well.
@@Bramandin bruh
Already uninstalled a while ago, mainly because I don't want the headache that is having to try and uninstall vanguard if I decide I no longer want it on my PC
@@Bramandin League and Riot clients are based on Chromium which is not longer supported in Win7/8.1
Ok bye bye 😂
Bold of the developers to let us know they're installing a trojan horse. Thanks for the heads up!
Devs get the shots for their overlord Tencent.
really disappointed you've chosen to go ahead with a kernel level anti cheat
Any reasonable person will see this is a ticking time bomb. Has Riot been hacked before? Yes. Has a kernel level anti-cheat do shady stuff in the background happend before? Yes. Is riot connected to a shady entity? Yes
Ty Riot for implementing Vanguard and ending hundreds of thousands of players League addiction ❤️
As if, people are way too addicted and have invested way too much money to leave for more than a month.
@@Nigolasyspeak for yourself. i played consistently between s3-s7 and played on and off till s13. this is the final nail on the coffin
legit. finally uninstalled thanks to this decision!
I'm quite pleased about Vanguard being added. Hopefully this will eradicate some of the worst humans from playing League of Legends... or at least discourage some of them lmao
I hate Vanguard. It doesn't accept my computer configuration. Literally the reason I could never play Valorant. So long league I guess
I uninstalled League and every Riot game because of Vanguard. I know I'm just one player, but no matter how much I love League, I'm not going to install that malware on my PC.
its a rootkit not malware, judging by your anime profile pic you are the exact person I don't want to see or know. good riddance.
My thought too. My pc is one of my precious items I have, I'd sacrifice League and even riot for it, and ain't no way I'm gonna compromise it to riot bronzies.
You won't be alone
don't worry we're getting more and more on this decision. It's their choice if they don't want to respect people but we won't be forced on something that affects our own pc's
I've been playing League for over a decade, but I'll stop playing entirely if Vanguard becomes a requirement.
Vanguard isn’t worth losing 100k players for 1% high elo scripted every 80 games
I just met a scripting lulu in URF soooo
1%? Biggest cheat provider has 3k active users, imagine 3k users in a game with millions of players hahahahaha
99ooo
It's funny how they could make it optional but you can't queue in ranked if you're master+. It's *that* easy. Scripting is never a problem in low elo, they just want an excuse for history's largest botnet i guess lmao
@@yorik1006 biggest cheating platform has 55k ACTIVE PLAYERS, ive seen it.. it was utterly appalling and dissapointing
WHERE IS THE SCORPION 😭😭
this was the most underwhelming dev update so far
Couldnt have said it better myself, tf is this 4 ahh min shi
One of the few problems with doing frequent dev updates: sometimes, there's just not much to tell.
Either you want frequent communication or you want large updates. Idk why anyone would expect to get both.
More updates means less huge ones.
Agree, but bit too late since the whole game has changed into wild rift
I'll be completely honest, adding Vanguard to League sounds like something good but for a player like me it probably means I'll stop playing. Why? Let me explain. I mainly play ARAM and TFT very casually. I used to play a lot of League but nowadays I don't have the time for those long ranked games. Having said that, if you guys make me have Vanguard ON every time I boot my PC I'll probably just uninstall League. I like to have very little things running on my PC while working, as I do video editing and need every last processing power of my PC and to be honest I just like having a clean system tray. That means I would have to manually quit Vanguard every time I boot up my PC, which is not worth it in my opinion. I'll wait to see how you guys go about Vanguard but if it's the same way as with Valorant, which I'm guessing it will be, I'll be sadly saying goodbye to my casual play sessions of League.
I like League of Legends, I've been playing it for years, but with Vanguard they give me a reason to stop playing it, which is most likely for the best, to finish a cycle and start a new one.
Bye!
999oooooo
You do you I mean I don't rely mind kernel level anti cheat I still have linux on the side xD
@@justsomeweebwithamustache2674 you realize you won't be able to play league on linux when it starts using vanguard right?
same me
Where is Skarner at my boy is still being forgotten even when getting updated
On pbe in a few weeks
For those who don't want to watch the whole video ,yes they will install the spy ware i mean vanguard
Not on my PC brother
9o
In my pc? Not, bye bye forever.
999ooooooooooooooooooooo
Clearly we're going to need a bigger stink about Vanguard to grt them to walk it back. There was basically no opposition to it when it was pitched.
There was opposition but Riot is deleting all threads about vanguard :DDDD
@@Imhighandhungry The vast majority of players will not even notice or not care.
Real @@qb8161
Well I'm gonna be honest most of the playerbase doesn't mind aside from a "loud" minority, what may or may not make them loose players however is the lost of support for older system since league is often the potato pc game
@Imhighandhungry not even close. Most their player base is from gaming arcades in the east. They will install it to keep business & people will continue to play on mass without even thinking since it isnt their pc
So I'm curious. Is it true that Vanguard will grant access to all of our data? That's not something I'm comfortable with.
Yes is it
It is, literally everything, even key strokes, processes and files. Now imagine, WHEN (not if) Riot gets hacked 😂 I'm uninstalling the moment vanguard goes out, no looking back.
Yes. I uninstalled the game and I am so sad.
League of legends can already do that. Any executable on your pc can already do that. Your mouse/keyboard/headset/case rgb drivers are all ring 0 kernel level always on from bootup, and they are much less secure than an anticheat (these companies like razer/asus/logitech take months to fix publicly known security issues).
@@DarkorbitForever12 megacope
So in summary, Meddler is getting married.
And you'll need to put vancrap on your pc for play riots games
Vanguard coming to league was the final nail in the coffin to ignore this time wasting game with one of the worst communities of all time. And Im gonna be honest, the community is 100% your fault for punishing rude people more than actually disruptive people.
Remove the Vanguard implementation. It is disproportional, unjustified and potentially harmful to many people's systems. In 10 years, never have I been this disappointed in Riot's decisions.
I don't think they will but it's their choice, so its ours for stop having this game in our pc's
14 years I've been playing league, going to miss it, but I'm not installing Vanguard. It's far too intrusive, paired with the fact that you have a history of your most sensitive data being leaked, and the companies, and countries you are now essentially tied with, it's definitely a big concern, too big. I understand most people will either be blissfully unaware of what vanguard is capable of, that or simply cope that it's a fair trade to keep feeding their particular video game addiction, but it's absolutely insane the type of data vanguard can harvest, ultimately you are entitled to ZERO privacy when choosing to have League of Legends installed on your computer from now on. Thinking that is in any way acceptable is ridiculous, especially when you factor in that cheating in League Of Legends, when compared to other video games, is such a non issue. It brings even more into question, why then does all my data have to be harvestable in order to play the game? Here's hoping this change will be reverted one day, but if not it's been fun. I definitely advise anyone reading this to look more into the capability of Vanguard, it inarguably harvests more than you would think necessary to prevent cheaters in a video game, seriously question if this is something you are willing to not only accept, but also encourage as a norm moving forward.
I love how everybody is fearmongered how Vanguard makes their data insecure when there is already ton of other things on your pc or things you use daily where your data are equally as vulnerable. I hate to break it down for you but you already have "ZERO" privacy.
just say you're a stupid scripter and move on, lmao
@@ashreen4330 There was the cope I was talking about, whatever you need to convince yourself of to justify continuing with feeding your addiction, there is nothing on my PC that harvests my data to the extent Vanguard would, not even anywhere close, nor will there ever be because I actually value my privacy, hence quitting the game. Fearmongering would be causing concern for something that there is no need for concern, if all of your data being harvested and any ability for privacy being stripped away so you can play a video game isn't a cause for concern, I would suggest you are very naive, or as I suggested before will tolerate anything to feed your addiction, you would clearly in that case place very little standards on any of these companies for how they should ethically treat their consumers, I don't think that's someone's opinion anyone should really take seriously on the topic of privacy or what is an acceptable way for companies to operate.
@@ashreen4330 Or if they play any other online game that is either competitive or runs on official servers than they already have anti cheats identical to vanguard on their PC. Can guarantee you, most of these people trying to use this as an excuse to not play anymore, will be playing well after vanguards roll out.
@@SS-wh7uo The diference between those and Vanguard is that Vanguard starts at boot time before windows boots and runs after the game is closed. Those don't do that. You are literally giving a key to riot to spy on your computer 24/7
After that hack on facebook, im no trusting kernel level software from riot
Can't wait for vanguard to kill multiple PCs as you need to run it with league lol
The Vanguard patch will be the best change in the history of the game - consider it as a buff for those, who are addicted and will finally have a true reason to stop playing this game and do better stuff outside league.
True I've been playing for 12 years and honestly I don't see myself playing it anymore with vanguard. It's not even because of how intrusive it is like most people. It's just because of all the tools I can't use due to it, along with bios changes and needing virtualization off in order to just get to use it without any errors.
@@chobitsotaku5613it required me to touch the bios anyway with virtualization off... Between LoL / Valorant and bluestacks, sorry riot. You shot yourself in the genitals, not even the foot
@@chobitsotaku5613 Same for me. I've been playing since the end of Season 1.
I am outright uninstalling forever if you make Vanguard mandatory. Not letting that garbage on my PC no matter what you say.
I wish the whole player base would be sane just like you, yet they will not care.
@@toomeowstream3253 Read the comments of any video talking about Vanguard coming on League, 90% of comments are just complaining about it and telling their experiences with the rootkit such as 1. Uninstalling mouse/keyboard drivers without any permission 2. Bricking their computer 3. Massive FPS loss 4. Not compatible with their hardware Most people are against it, us scripters on the other hand, we don't care, we already have a MacOS ready script where Vanguard wont be running, Riot is willingly going to lose profit and players for what? Nothing? Hahahahahahahahahahaha
@@yorik1006 Nice try Rito shill
Never vanguard in lol
riot's gaslighting on Vanguard is something else, acting like there are no issues people have with their anti-cheat and it's completely perfect and needed. The downvotes speak for themselves and many people are going to uninstall League because of Vanguard or run into issues cause of Vanguard.
"We hear you're upset about vanguard but we don't care lmao. Just don't use linux or play games that vanguard will get you banned in."
In my 10 years of playing league I've only met a handful of scripters, don't see the point in vanguard for league tbh
I think it's mostly for botting accounts honestly
fr, it's not really an issue for a majority of the playerbase
tell me you are low without telling me you are low
@@DarthLeopard Could be true, but from a business standpoint doesn't make sense, now I don't have the data, but from what I can gather they will lose more players with vanguard then they would have retained if they didn't get rid of botted accounts.
@@jh8072 Spent most of this time in diamond, but the game shouldn't be designed around 1% of the player base either way, unless their goal is to kill the game.
So as a TFT player I need to download Vanguard now? Cool, guess I'm not a TFT player anymore.
I would really like to know why, as i've read this quite a few times now
cya!
@@DepressedBen because people are dumb and think vanguard is the devil , even tho when allmost all anti cheat software out there works the same way.
Who care ?😊
@@DepressedBenBecause it's basically a rootkit, look up what that is
I hope this comment section makes it abundantly clear that the day League tries to install Vanguard (or anything similar) on my machine is the day League gets uninstalled and is never coming back. There are already industry AI solutions to automate anti-cheat. Vanguard is a violation of privacy with no purpose.
See you in a week
Bad mentality, the biggest reason of why Vanguard isn't needed is that the BIGGEST CHEAT PROVIDER has 3k users which is like 0.00001% of the playerbase!
@@yorik1006 I think theres a lot of players who are using smaller levels of cheats tbh. I can't wait to see what the game will be like with vanguard.
@@elitistninja No, simply because "smaller levels of cheats" barely even exist
@@elitistninja I mean, maybe we could have vanguard disabled for normal games? or only after diamond / masters? Or a split queue?
3:23 Nice, so I get to play league until April? Good to know
Seeing how Vanguard is disassembling this game and the community makes me apprehensive to return to League someday.
In addition to the Phreak-style surveys of “did vanguard improve your experience,” also monitor for “bunch of regular players who just kinda left for seemingly no reason.” Those are the players you pissed off with Vanguard. I know it’s priced into your long term strategy, but a larger playerbase with a smaller fanbase is worse still…
While I love them trying to communicate with us, the fact that this told us absolutely nothing is a bit dissapointing
Just so you all know @Riot , I will be quitting league of legends as soon as you release Vanguard, I dont want any root kits on my computer. No thank you
I love that they said they wanted to shift damage from items to champions then gave every mage the ability to only use items for damage and not rely on their own mechanics whatsoever
Skarner when?
I hate the fact that the Vanguard will be first release in my region 😭
Sorry mate.
They are probably looking at player numbers to see if vanguard will actually negatively effect their income before forcing it upon everyone else. You can stop playing to protest this
They picked one of the regions least likely complain or protest.
@@soysaucebananna that’s definitely the reason cause players here doesn’t really complain any system changes
@@johnsencedric1918 Have you noticed any performance issue, is your computer fried now ? Anything suspicious or annoying ?
Riot games or hackers may literaly collect and modify anithing with a kernel tool like Vanguard and I don't think they will take responsibility for any data or hardware loss.
Allow vanguard to not need virtualization off and secure boot on, along with disrupting a lot of tools people use such as utility tools. Not to mention you shouldn't have the need to have it on at all times on your pc.
Get ready to recive a butt load of "but you can turn it off" comments from the resident league only players. They can't get how annoing can be close and reboot all for just a couple of league games
it requires virtualization off? HAAAHAHA im never playing this game after 10 years that was the only chance
i have hyper-v on, and i can still play, and it was like it since beginning maybe some blue screens were occuring in the early days, but they have fixed it - you must of course have TPM 2.0, UEFI and secure boot to do it the league on linux end is the worst
@@PawlashYeah, problem is the secure boot on part. I know I most likely won't run into problems doing so, but there's a good amount of people that did turning secure boot on (excluding the people that did so without following the proper steps). I got a new pc and it was quite expensive so don't really wanna risk it.
"Virtualization off" Well it was a good 10 years!
Will League's Vanguard be as intrusive as Valorant's?
yes, identical
@@azzwoopinXpress dang that's discouraging : /
It's not "League's" Vanguard, it's just Vanguard. It's the same anti-cheat. Valorant players that also play League don't have to install anything
I hope so
@@thebigidea9659why?
"Funny bugs" The absolute estate of devs
Vanguard should only turn on just before you're launching a game, doesn't need to be on before, Doesn't need to be on after. Certainly doesn't need to be on 24/7.
Ngl I got baited when they said "vs ai", I really had hopes they have made a gamemode PvE, man I miss odyssey.
No Skarner? :(
indie devs plz understan :'(
May riot forge rest is peace there are so many cool genres i would have loved to see the runeterra characters in like imagine a bulders gate with league characters or a metal gear soild like game almost unlimited options.
mgs?💀
Tbh, I wanted to see an 8-bit Arcade game consisting of the Battle Heroes fighting against the Battle Bosses, with Blitzcrank as their tutorial boss, and then until to the end, after multiple series of boss fights, would be Veigar. His final phase should be him shoving you (the player) into something like the core of their universe, that is basically the place for glitches that happens a lot and binary numbers like a bunch of 0s and 1s going on there
Sad that everyone starts defending awesome riot stuff only when it's about to die, a super minority plays gamemodes yet everyone backclashes their removal
99999ooooooo
Who asked you?
YOU DID IT GUYS 🎉 this was the worst one yet ❤
RIP Philippines Server sacrificial lamb for Vanguard experiment
4 minute Dev video? Necrit could get 25 minutes out of that.
that baby could cry about anything, classic weeb
More like separate 10min videos on each topic they discussed. Gotta get that youtube GRIIIIIINNND
Dude knowing necrit.... the guy can get 25 min just out of the nacho/cheese train teaser. Add another 10 to 30 min on top off that with the rest of this video
@@caymanharas9914 if u gonna insult necrit at least use the names right LOL weebs are anime fans.
@@foodiehoodie1754 he literally plays genshit inbredpact wtf are you talking about
what if you made vanguard only mandatory for ranked queue (and perhaps only above a certain rank?) most if not all cheaters are in ranked and the real problematic ones are in masters/challengers in my 8 years of playing league i have encountered 4 cheaters, and all of them could be caught super easily (reksai tunnel script/kayn global W)
No. I am master and I aint playing with china spyware software. + that would destroy league economy. By your logic in a near future there woulf be 30% who are diamond. You can't destroy the alghorithm with some rules. Sorry buddy. Deleting LoL it is
@@Susser911 we already have a boosting problem to diamond and im more trying to save the normals and aram queues with my suggestion
@@CubemasterXD Boosting problem? You are trying to say that this is a problem? Welcome to competitive circle. There is not such a thing as "Boosting issue will be saved by a spyware"
@@Susser911i never said the boosting issue will be saved by spyware you implied only requiring vanguard in masters/challengers would make 30% of the community diamond i said we already have way too many diamonds who dont actually belong there, which is a completely different issue not connected to vanguard. duo boosting will still be possible, even if vanguard shuts down account sharers its w/e anyways, riot wont change their opinion on something like this just because of a youtube comment i wont answer further
@@CubemasterXD Btw you were never that good.
It's been a great 12 years. Thank you for everything.
You can talk about the positives all you want, but I'm never going to install a rootkit from a company that is owned by a big Chinese corporation on my pc. What do I tell my customers that expect their data to be secure? Don't tell me to buy another PC just to play League lol. Also lmao @ all this effort to stop cheaters when ranked games are unplayable due to every game having a player throwing a hissy fit and keeping their team hostage/inting/flaming because they dont get their way. Yeah, done playing this game. There's much more fun ways to spend my time.
You can simply uninstall it 💀
Senator is that you?
@@dannytr556 Exactly what I will be doing. Vanguard=uninstall it's that simple
Just install macOS, the mac version will not require vanguard to play.
9999ooo
Vanguard is honestly the only reason why i can’t run valorant fluidly, hopefully this doesnt happen to league now
"We're adjusting LP gains to make climbing more consistent" - meanwhile people with -36 / +14 right after placements
Been playing since 2013 and with the current anti-cheat, I have not encountered any cheater or "big cheater". Any capable cheating software or hacker themselves already know how to bypass any anti-cheat, including Vanguard. The only ones that get hit are "obvious cheaters", which can be easily detected. In another words, anti-cheats hide actual severe offenders better and make the normal players (majority) suffer for it. Addtionally, it is clear with the original deadline that has been cancled and moved and the extra hesitance after the moved release date, where you will still only test it on only one region, that this new software is not compatible with this game or client. You are struggling too hard. All of that just does not leave me with confidence.
"A more exciting time to play League." Well that's one way of putting it.
3:10 literally said *nothing* of value about Vanguard. Next time just say nothing at all. You keep it planned for league. It *will* still be system intrusive, hardware hungry and overall a detriment to all players. League stays uninstalled.
You had a security breach just in 2023, and now you want COMPLETE access to out pcs? Yea, not happening
I play actively since Season 1. Vanguard scares me :( I dont even understand what it does, but I understand that it can see basically everything on my PC and that Riot is owned by tencent... I play in Master and I would rather play vs cheaters than have Vanguard on my PC. Maybe I buy a cheap pc to play LoL on...
If you have a cellphone already billion of society monitored everything you do. If you are Master you know how Scripter kill the game, stop being selfish.
@@noleg753 L Take. If one has the choice not to be monitored and they say no, that's selfish?
@@noleg753One could say it's selfish to expect others to forfeit basic freedoms so you can see fewer cheaters in a video game.
Not only is it intrusive it also prevents you from using many tools and virtualization (fellow bluestacks (or other emulator) players won't be able to do any of that with vanguard on). It also requires secure boot on, which is a risky thing for certain computers as I see many people having issues with turning it on (some of it due to them missing some points, but even when everything is correct it can still cause issues).
@@noleg753 I´m not master+ to care about scripters
Please remove vanguard changes. I wont play with it enabled
Kernel level anticheat aside, requiring TPM 2.0 is a middle finger to anyone with a PC older than a few years. This game became successful in the first place because it could be played on older PCs and now it's being gated to newer ones. But hey, you guys already got all your money and success, so who cares about the little people, right?
Vanguard literally prevents some of us honest players from running games just because our systems don't allow its level of invasiveness. Please do not punish us because of dishonest players.
It's important to understand that with this coming to LoL, one of the biggest games in the world, the interest for breaching and exploiting it is likely to grow. Also, no matter how much we enjoy League it is important to keep in mind that this is just a computer game. Is this level of intrusion really warranted for something like that? Riot games may not have other intentions, but someone else might in the future. I think steps like these lead to a dangerous philosophy where companies can arbitrairly decide on intrusive actions. Yes, I know a lot of data is being stored already but that does not mean that we should not be careful about how far we allow that to go. This is for sure a step in the wrong direction and laws should be made for this kind of stuff. Children are allowed to install LoL on their home computers, leaving the adults in the house completely unaware that there is a rootkit running in the background that in theory could be used to turn on your microphone, camera, read your keystrokes etc... While many games do use kernel level AC, at lest they run only when the game is on. And there have been incidents with these, such as the one with Genshin Impact. We need to draw a line for where the importance of fair play in video games comes in conflict with more important rights. Use it in tournaments and stuff, sure. But for everyone at all times? No thanks.
Not only is Vanguard actively killing its Linux playerbase, its also killing off anyone who simply DUAL BOOTS on their system, even if they have League on Windows. Dual booting requires that Secure boot is disabled in the bios so it doesnt block non-windows OSs from running, and Vanguard requires Secure boot to be enabled to run. Learned this the hard way with Valorant. On top of the massive security and privacy concerns, I'll most definitely be uninstalling and never looking back once Vanguard is released. And i hope that enough people also do so to the point that riot has to respond.
Nah bro, if they detect dual boot as a cheat then it MUST be a cheat, right? Afterall, Vanguard is an antiCHEAT, it prevents CHEATS, right? Right? Right? Not having TPM 2.0 compatible computer is a cheat too, right?
from a league addict to a league addict, if your gpu is compatible just use macos
It will be a complete mess, we will have to enter BIOS and enable/disable Secure Boot just to play LOL. What a joke!
@@yorik1006 Apparently even using cloud solutions like GeForce Now is cheating as they don't have any way to implement Vanguard in their VM. That's the reason they dont have Valorant in the service but they do League.