Villains Too Stupid To Win Ep.16 - The League of Shadows (The Dark Knight Trilogy)
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Whoa whoa whoa!! Hold up. The comic book movie benchmark was set in 1990 by the Ninja Turtles. This is an indisputable fact.
Lmao you say Bane has lost the plot for releasing the crims back into the street and it's literally the blueprint for modern leftism. The crims are just good boys and scholars who need a hug, then they'll stop criminalin'
@@arbhall7572Keaton's 1st Bat romp was just before that and it's long been considered the definitive comic film
No evidence punishment reduces crime look at sinophore vs New York
Welfare causes crime
Bruce: "No, I won't execute this man." (burns down the entire building)
No, no, no. They're not dead. They're just napping. 😅
U miss the fact he refused to kill one man then went on to kill 100’s of people a few seconds later. 😂
This Batman draws a fine line. Directly killing someone is bad, but if people happen to die in wider scale explosions that’s fine.
@@Flaris is this how America justifies killing civilians in middle east? Both are equally terrible, you dont have to be in person for the murder to be "evil"
@@FlarisYeah, you can’t murder someone. But you can leave them on a train that will 100 percent kill them is fine. Batman didn’t kill him, the train did it.
@@Flaris Blowing up a building isn't a case of people just "happening to die" though he absolutely, purposefully murdered them and it's real stupid how the movies never really acknowledge this.
It's wrong if Batman kills them. Its ok if they die off screen far away from him Also hes not going to kill them, neither save them.
The Joker's insanity and pure chaos mindset makes more sense than the League's plans.
The man also thought most of his plans through, and more importantly stuck with them.
@@qwefg3 He also was actually far more effective at bankrupting and destroying Gotham's organized crime than even Batman was.
The Joker had a bunch of plans. He just lied about it.
@@freddogrosso9835 That was his method to the madness.
@@freddogrosso9835his plans may have been well thought through, but his end game was anarchy.
To be completely fair to the "geriatric butler", in most versions of Batman, Alfred is ex-SAS. So while he is definitely older, him taking out henchmen is something is on the table. But yeah, all the other points stand.
If the Dark Knight Trilogy is going by the most common Alfred backstory, Alfred is not only ex-SAS, he's also a veteran of World War II who participated in many clandestine operations against the Germans. In many ways, Alfred is perhaps *more* dangerous than Batman.
Ok, who would win: Prime Alfred or Batman?
@@celldh0825 Alfred every time
@@celldh0825 batman, wolfbane is high
@@wolfbane7497when he whipped superman's ass😂😂😂
Of all the villainous oversights that could prove the undoing of a story’s antagonist, a lack of fire safety is probably one of the weirder ones to come across not once, but twice.
True villains don't have smoke detectors and fire extinguisher
"Oh thank god"
obligatory "if i had a Nickel for every time an Antagonists undoing was a lack of fire safety, I would have two nickels. Which isn't a lot but it's wierd that it happened twice
Do we count Quantum of Solace's mansion fight as number 3?
They never did learn to mind their surroundings.
“He’s basically a high functioning crackhead” 🤣☠️
🤣😭😭
The part that is probably the darkest, yet subtly funniest part of that is that Tom Hardy used to *actually* have a crack problem...
Ironically, Joker and Two-Face did more to wipe out the criminality of Gotham than the League. I like how Dark Knight got basically skipped in this video, not just because the bad guys weren’t League members, but because they clearly weren’t stupid
Yeah, the bombs in the boats was honestly MORE cleaver than League of Shadows plans. And honestly, any person DONE with high rates of criminality(like the old guy from that scene), would have honestly donated the bombs. The thing is knowing Joker, that would have been THEIR OWN boat instead of theirs. No wonder not even the criminals did it at once.
@@hermitcard4494 Joker had only one detonator switch, so I think the bombs were all tuned to go off on both ships if anyone flipped the switch. Anyone who tried to take out either side would blow up both of them.
@@richardarriaga6271 yeah I always just assumed that the detonator were on the same frequency
Two Face and the Joker had their own convoluted plans that only worked due to luck and their opponents' terrible decisions.
Dark knight is the best super hero movie ever made
Finally someone who calls out the utter stupidity of sending the entire police force down the sewers. I still can't believe this isn't consistently mentioned as one of the dumbest moves in any movie ever.
You forgot: “Batman you need to do this boss fight in my contrived sewer boss fight arena that is underneath ur armory.”
And yet I can actually see this happening in real life.
@@NobleRaider At least Bane is nuts, so I can buy him wanting that (up to a point). Gordon is supposed to be smart and rational, or at least the movie wants us to think that he is.
@@randomhourglass5687 All the drugs the hospital has him on, are driving him nuts
I really enjoyed the part where the cops decide to use their guns as melee weapons
I like how Ra's al Ghul was claiming that Gotham was this center of corruption and poverty, and I was like "But it is the way it is because *you* used your connections to make it that way!" They want to stop the corruption that they themselves either started or increased.
"The worse, the better." -V.I. Lenin The idea is to make things so bad that the people realize that there is no point in maintaining the current system and they overthrow the existing order. I'm not saying that works, but that's the idea.
And once their influence was gone virtually, all crime disappeared. It only went bad again because of them.
@@matane2465 Even the Joker is partially their fault since they turned Gotham into a city with lots of criminality *and* released every prisoner onto the streets at the same time they unleashed the nerve gas. Even if the Joker was not one of those criminals, he did either use or recruit a lot of them for his plans.
Plus they attacked gotham before with "economics" as their weapon, this would also increase crimes and poverty.
the corruption of Gotham is because of the court of Owls an organization far more powerful than the league of shadows/assassins
This video is highly warranted. When broken down, the league of shadows plans were ridiculous 😂
If you spend too much time breaking down the plans of pretty much any character in Superhero movies you come to realize none of them are all that smart.
@@Slavesforsale1that might be true if not definitely true BUT I remember even years ago when I watched the first dark knight thinking “wtf”. Their mantra , goal etc just seems laughable
Pitch Meeting nailed it pretty well. "no one took a hot shower or made a cup of tea for weeks?" "Some very stinky citizens."
At this point, Gul Dukat should have been recruited into the league of shadows.
When broken down, and without Hans Zimmer hyping their plans up
Wait wait wait. Is the whole pit thing saying that Talia has the strength and agility of a grown man, or that after all that rehab, Bruce reached the strength level of a 10 year old girl?
You'd also think that if they put such an emphasis on how physically able she was as a child, then more of that would show as an adult.
After being crippled, I wouldn't expect to approach child gymnast levels of fitness. Have you ever seen a cheerleading competition?
I think it's more likely that being smaller and lighter gave her an edge. When I was a kid I used to be able to crank off pullups and climb around like a spider monkey, and it weren't cause I was some athletic prodigy, I just weighed like 90 pounds soaking wet. When you're that small you don't actually have to nearly as fit as you'd think to be able to run and jump and climb like a crazy person.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t the main barrier to him being able to escape the fact that he was using a harness in all his previous attempts and only when he took a leap of faith by not using the harness was he able to finally escape. Talia also wasn’t using a harness when she was able to escape.
1.- Most likely, Thalia was trained by Bane from a very early age, which, combined with the genetic factor of being Ras's daughter, allowed her to achieve significant physical condition. 2.- Bruce's physique was at a very low point both due to his fight with Bane and, mainly, due to his 8 years of retirement in which he atrophyed on a general level. 2.1.- Bruce only had 6 months to rehabilitate himself from those 8 years and the defeat at the hands of Bane. And although it was a rehabilitation, it was not adequate for so much accumulated damage.
At least in the comics, Raz and the League of Assassins are honest about being a terrorist organisation. Also, their goals and tactics are more consistent when you factor in that they are extreme environmentalists rather than claiming to be about justice. Also, it would be a Nightwing movie not a Robin Man movie. But Nolan said he was done with that universe, so I don't think it was meant to set up a movie as much as it was an easter egg for comic fans who knew the first Robin became Nightwing.
add in copious use of the respawn pit which has insanity as a side effect, and it makes sense why Raz and his league can be so extremely delusional with their plans.
"I will find you, and I will train you Batman." ~ Ra's Al Ghul probably
He did "train the boy"
It makes perfect sense to me. The League of Shadows is an organisation exercising Hero syndrome to the extreme. They were always crazy, just that the other qualities went down as the Batman thinned the hordes.
🇺🇲🚩🚨Former president trump's plan for re-election include league of shadow level fascist infiltration into every facet of American society & government
It was probably the drugs
The leagues MO is to commit mass arson and murder in order to prevent petty pick pocketing, yet it took hiring batman to give them their first 'are we the baddies' moment. They aint too quick.
I think it's so silly how that giant microwave machine heats up the pipeline water, but not people's blood
My copium for this oversight regarding directed energy weapons was that they just have it pointing downwards into the ground or something.
Also, since the fear toxin needs to be vaporized to have any effect, and Crane’s been dumping it into the water supply for months, anyone who took a hot shower or boiled a pot of water would have gone insane and risked exposing the whole scheme long before the League was ready.
or a much more plausable explanation is that it emits very low volumes of microwaves that can only vaporize moisture that is out in the open and not through flesh@@sulphurous2656
@@sulphurous2656but wouldn't everyone under the train literally explode?
@@airplanes_aren.t_real Possibly. And they should have put that in the movie if it wasn't being concerned with being PG-13.
You should do a series called "Heroes too stupid to win, yet win anyway" Most villains lose because the story makes them lose; most heroes win because the story makes them win. Bruce should've lost the moment he tried to take out an entire secret assassins league at their own base
but the villains are always written to be even stupider
Honestly, Bruce said it all in one line: Maybe the slow-knife was a little TOO slow... They gave FAR too many opportunities to thwart them.
All comics and cartoon villains. And Bond villains.
6 months. 6 months waiting for Batman to heal So the plot can continue. They maybe the dumbest villains in all comic book movied and Thats saying somethin
@@1vaultdwellerfr 6 months is crazy
I'll never forget how a man in a hole punched bruce wayne's broken back into working again
It wasn't the video we wanted, it was the video we deserved!
Margret!!!
Yes... but I needed this!
Speak for yourself I wanted it!
Hahahaha nice
And wanted though
When he says "We tried economics." I always assumed he would then go on to explain how he would cause an economical collapse that would somehow destroy Gotham. Instead he explains how he will put crack cocaine in everyone's pipe so they will, hopefully, end up killing themselves in a drug-fuelled binge. If only they had recruited an evil accountant instead of an evil shrink.
Unfortunately, all the evil accountants are already working for the big corrupt corporations that the League claimed to be the cause of the problem. So, they had to settle for an evil shrink. 😂
I agree with most points however training Bruce is not something I would hold against them. I suspect that Ra's wanted a worthy successor and Bruce hit all the boxes a normal League recruit would have while also being insanely rich which would go on to help fund the organization further. Ra's may have just seen Bruce's unwillingness to fully give himself to the cause as just growing pains that he will grow out of later. He was genuinely shocked when Bruce did not buy into the League since Ra's has clearly successfully manipulated thousands of young men to his way of thinking. Ra's fell for his own myth that he was some kind of savior of the world and forgot that he too could err like anyone else. Ra's was a soldier turned cult leader who had big ideas but no way of actually knowing how to accomplish them and no one willing to step up and tell him 'No that's stupid this is how it should be done.' Ra's is the George Lucas of the Nolan Batman films.
That part’s also consistent with the comics. Ra’s wants Batman to marry Talia and take over the League, no matter how many times Batman makes it clear he’s not interested.
Still not the best idea to tell him you're going to destroy his home town before training is over.
@@fightingmedialounge519 Probably not the best move.
You're right except for the George Lucas stuff. George made literally all of the good Star Wars films himself and people did tell him to stop on the prequels just as they'd done with the OT. TPM was supposed to be longer, but his colleagues said they thought it dragged at some points. You're definitely one of those guys that assumes the films are bad without actually watching them
@@TheMoosePadalso, there are literal BTS clips and interviews that outright say that while George was the lead he still regularly asked those working for him for their opinions and much of the visual and musical aspects as well as characters were done by others and approved by him. Key example being Anakins ep3 design taking Hayden and those working on the looks opinions and advice before agreeing that the look we know was good. There are a lot of myths about George, but for some reason nobody actually looks at the evidence and watches the movie while paying the minimum amount of attention and leaving their internet shit throwing bias at the door. SW rant over
Ironically Assassins Creed did the whole secret organization of idealistic murders look much more like what the League pretends to be, and acts in a way that is far more morally believable.
Whose archenemy, the Templar Oder, ironically acts like the League of Shadows, engineering terrible events throughout history to empower themselves.
How is that irony?
Especially in the early AC games. In AC1 using assassination as a means of effecting political change by removing tyrants and mad men from power, in a sense "policing" the rulers.
Ironically the comics also do it much better as well
That's how the League of Shadows are supposed to operate like a shadowy assassin organization kinda like the Creed from AC just in a more cut throat and brutal fashion. The guys you see in the film are basically frauds lol
I love that someone other than me realizes how pointlessly complicated and STUPID the bad guys in the Nolan Trilogy are. You earned my Subscription.
“And then there’s the genocide.” Had me in stitches.
I don't really care for Superhero movies, but I've seen a few. Are there actually any super villains that aren't woefully incompetent? Only one I can think is Heath Ledger's Joker. He seemed pretty smart, despite being batshit. I really want Media Zealot to do a video on villains/scifi civilizations that he sees as smart enough to actually win/exist.
The Joker was smart because his plans and goals were arranged in a way that he got what he wanted, even if he lost.
@@MachineMan-mj4gj And because the Joker's shtick is to soe chaos. He doesn't care if he wins or losses. Unlike other villains it is not about winning. As long as he soes chaos he is happy. That is why I loved Heath Ledger's Joker so much. The director, writers and actor really captured the essence of the Joker. They also captured what Batman has always said about the Joker, i.e., that unlike other villains even he cannot predict the Joker's plans because the Joker's plans only make sense to the Joker.
That's the thing, bad guys often have the decks stacked in their favor to create tension. And the greater the stack, the greater tension (most) audience members feel. But like any card game, there comes a point where your hand is so good, the only way you can lose is through massive & repetitive displays of incompetence
But seriously, even the Joker's plan is circumstantial at best. The plot really forces it to work, but if you think it through, it's a terrible plan...
The first Thanos was pretty competent considering he actually accomplished his goal and won a war even though he had a useless army
Seriously that's the thing that bothered me in dark knight rises. How did bane get all Bruce's money by just his fingerprint? That's the most unsecured shit ever and also how can they easily have access to all of his money when there's so many processes needed even just for a simple bank goer to get all of their money.
An attack on Gotham stock exchange would have also triggered the feds. How did the SEC decide that was a legitimate trade?
Not only that, it would have still left Bruce’s personal bank accounts alone, meaning his romantic night with Talia (sorry, MIRANDA) in an electricity-less Wayne Manor didn’t need to happen.
same stupid shit happens in the comic in which joker steals all of bruce's money from his personal account than Catwomen steals it back and than instead of putting it back in bruce's bank she transfers it to lucious foxes account who says that "one day i woke up and 10s of billions of dollars was in my account" and than goes onto say he could give it back to bruce but it would look wierd to the government if the money just showed back up in his account. which is the dumbest shit i have ever heard, being that it would also look wierd that the same amount of money stollen from bruce showed up in foxes bank. on top of that what intelligent billionaire would keep 10s of billions in their bank when you can only insure up to 250,000 per bank account which means Bruce would need THOUSANDS of accounts to insure 10s of billions. and than the comic goes onto say that Bruce is no longer a Billionaire just because all of his bank accounts were emptied, which makes no sense because he is still majority shareholder of Wayne Enterprises meaning he is still a billionaire because he owns 51% of Wayne ent shares
it wasn't the power company, we hear the same sound effect as the mini EMP gadget bruce uses to shut off the cameras when he shows up at the charity ball, bruce did it to set the mood for boning @GregJamesMusic
If the Batman Universe was a Twilight Zone episode, it would end with another organization dedicated to destroying crime....destroying the League of Shadows.
In several of the comics and Batman the animated series. Ra's al Ghul believed he was "culling" the human race to a point where the planet could sustain the population. His plan was still stupid, but not as bad as the Dark Knight films.
Sounds similar to Thanos' plans, just on a different scale. I'm not a big comic history buff - did Batman and Ras come before Thanos? I lean towards yes since DC was before Marvel.
Sounds like exactly the same thing the eugenicists that have a stake in ruling the world in our reality are trying to accomplish.
Yeah, I think his motivations and tactics would have worked better if they had kept him as an eco-terrorist like in the comics.
@@corbin_4738 While I’m not sure if Thanos came first or not, I do know that comic book Thanos is not like MCU Thanos. So yes, the ideology of Ra’s is older than the ideology of the Thanos you are most familiar with.
@@corbin_4738I checked, Ra’s was created a few years before Thanos. And of course Batman is much older than both of them.
I'd love to see some more Star Trek videos. A few ideas I've been hoping for: • Sci-Fi Civilizations To Stupid to Really Exist - The Klingons • Stupid Villains - Khan (from Wrath of Khan, forget Into Darkness) • Stupid Villains - Shinzon (Nemesis) You probably already have an abundance of ideas but if any of those seem appealing I would love to see your take on them.
I'd recommend an SFdebris video on Worf and Klingon Honor. It may shed light on why it isn't.
Yeah I would Ike to see one on Klingons.
The Klingons are a weird one. They are a former slave colony with their prior culture destroyed by their enslavers. Then in an attempt to take to the stars to avoid being enslaved again, they accidentally removed their forehead ridges. They eventually fix this, though The few "evil" Klingons we've seen have generally been seen as foolish douche bags by the rest of Klingon civilisation There does also seem to be a faction of the Temporal Civil War with the goal of keeping humans and Klingons apart. With the Romulans often involved somehow
Did he cover The Borg and The Dominion already?
@louisduarte8763 Yeah, he did The Borg but I don't think there was anything specifically on the Dominion. He did a Villain episode on Gul Dukat where The Dominion were mentioned, but not the main focus. And, then, there is the Seska Voyager episode. I think that is all the Star Trek centric ones so far.
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You should do rings of power. The orcs plan is super stupid and the kicker is that their enemies and the foliage is immune to super heated explosions haha
I still love the joke back then that had people joking that after seeing Avengers... the government would have nuked Gotham to prevent it being held by Bane. Still the League of Shadows is like that one person who gets the best hand in the game... and yet still somehow messes it up even when the deck is rigged in their advantage.
Avenger's made more sense because New York was supposed to be the launchpad for a full takeover of Earth by a malevolent alien race, whereas Bane was only ever threatening Gotham (though the USA, and maybe the world, probably did crack down harder on crime and terrorism following his attack, so arguably the League won offscreen?).
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"He's basically a high functioning crackhead." Bruh....😂😂😂😂
27:28 Dissapointed you didn't mention the fact that bruce somehow found his way back to gotham from the middle of nowhere inside a literal desert with no phone, gps, money, passport, identifying information or a even a vehicle.
If the microwave emitter in Batman Begins vaporizes water, it would kill far faster than any fear toxin related death. Did they forget how much water humans plants and animals carry around?
Yeah that was also really dumb if it could burst pipes far away it should have been popping ppl too.
Imagine the Adam West _Batman_ movie getting that right, but not the “realistic” _Batman Begins…_
It's poetic that a secret society of vigilantes was ruined by arson, when they caused mass arson in the past themselves. Almost like they didn't learn anything from that, or have any foresight whatsoever...
I've always thought that Gotham was more of a Chicago/Detroit analog than a NYC one. Depending on which take on Gotham we're talking about. I mean Metropolis is definitely New York City. They even have the UN there in the DC universe.
New York City used to have 'Gotham' as a nickname
@@fearofowl5973 yeah that's a good point. I've just never felt like it had a NYC vibe (to be clear that's just a personal opinion, from someone whose never lived their). There's just this grittiness too Gotham that makes me think of the rust belt more than NYC. That may also be because Batman comics/shows/movies tend to happen mostly during the nighttime whereas superman is more of a daytime hero.
If it means anything, the 1st 2 Dark Knight Movies were filmed heavily in Chicago And I also never got a NYC type of feeling with Gotham City. The Batman Animated Series in the 90s to me always had a Midwest, Major City feel to it
“3 buttons is kinda 90’s Mr. Wayne.” Then the best edit possible from American psycho! I laughed so fuckin hard! 😂
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Who *_didn't_* read that as Epic Voice Guy? Lol.
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Over the years I had pointed out all these issues with the Nolen era films to friends and family, and most ignored me, preferring to pretend that they are masterpieces when really they are just flashy. Had Nolen stuck to the original plot and comic origins of these organizations, he would have had far less plot problems.
Good points. Four megatons is nothing to sneeze at, though. That's a big boom. Way bigger than Hiroshima or Nagasaki. But the biggest was the Tsar Bomba, at roughly 50 megatons. Maybe they should have added a zero, if they really wanted to totally melt Gotham and have the blast reach Metropolis. That might wake Superman up. But still, four megatons would have destroyed downtown Gotham and made the rest of city unlivable.
Me then: this is perfect. I never want it to end. Me now: thank God they ended it at 3.
? All 3 of those movies are great. Even rises which is the weakest is still one of the best movies of the 2010s. Begins changed superhero movies, and tdk is a legitimate top movie of all time
@@barkley8285 I agree with you that the first 2 movies were excellent. The last movie felt like the sort of thing that gets made when someone is contractually obligated to make it. I suspect Heath's death threw the initially planned off the rails and that The Joker was supposed to have a significant role in the last movie.
Bane and Catwoman deserved a better movie. Hardy and Hattaway knocked it out of the park (plus they looked so effing hot it hurts)
I should clarify that it's one of my favorite trilogies from my favorite director of all time. I just meant, if Begins came out this year, we'd be looking forward to an expanded cinematic universe with multiple spinoff franchises plus a JGL-as-Robin prequel quintology. Thank God they had the decency *back then* to just let it end.
@@logancade342 For my part, it's the performances I enjoy the most about this movies. Of course, Heath Ledger, but Cyrian Murphy is the freaking best. Super fun and consistent. The movies as a whole, I never enjoy them that much. Nolan is "too slick" for my taste.
The villain tells the hero exactly how to defeat him, but how did Batman get from the Pit to the US again? If his money was all gone, he couldn't have gone to an airport. Did his people send in a plane? If so, why not do that earlier?
Like Batman ain't got secret accounts all over the world.
He probs got out the pit and called Alfred for a lift 🤣
Would have been fun if there was some mention of an "Bow and Arrow guy" helping Bruce to get back to the U.S
Because he’s BATMAN!! (Sorry, couldn’t resist a HISHE reference.)
BECAUSE HE'S BATMAN!
Bruce wasn't exactly using those 'Great Detective' skills in The Dark Knight Rising, either. In his first fight with Bane, the man says that the darkness is not Bruce's ally as he had not seen the Sunlight until he was already a man. Then while imprisoned in the same prison as Bane had been he is told of Ra's' wife and child. That the mother was killed and the child escaped to find Ra's and free the prisoner that had protected them. With this information, Bruce comes to the conclusion that Bane is the child of Ra's al Ghul, if Bane was telling the truth and the person who told Bruce about the child's escape were both true Bane can't have been the child.
The fact that Nolan thought the audience would be stupid enough not to guess that “the child” was Talia instead of Bane actually made me lose a little respect for him as a filmmaker. This despite the fact that: 1. Talia is a huge part of the comics League; 2. Marion Cotillard is too big of a name to just be playing a random love interest; and 3. On-set photos leaked months before the movie came out clearly showed Cotillard in League of Shadows clothing.
@@GregJamesMusic Agree on all part but remember Nolan took other liberties with the source material. His need to pronounce Ra's al Ghul wrong and not to mention in the comics it is the League of Assassins, not Shadows.
@jasonworlock5113 Oh my god, the name thing is such a petpeeve of mine. Its the first thought I had clicking the video 'please say it right'. I've seen entire videos breaking down the root language of his name and comparing it to other similar words and insisting its 'ras'. The literal guy who made the character and picked the name said its 'raysh' and that's it, end of argument. Its like going up to a parent with a bunch of research to prove they're pronouncing their own child's name wrong.
I mean, R'as is supposed to be kind of cra-cra in the comics (resurrection shenanigans from the Lazarus Pit, I think), so I think it's fitting that he and his organization can't come up with and execute a plan competently.
The Joker in the second one kills some of the Shadows people in the mob bank scenes. They're in that one, but really minor characters. He's just so nuts, it doesn't occur to him to join them. He would rather shove a pencil into one of them. Ha.
I love this series, glad we got another instalment of it!
13:30 passed before a proper Tuvoking was administered. This is unacceptable, and yet still kind of worth the wait.
You also forgot that there was no way they'd get the reaction they'd want, as gassing, or blowing up, a major US city after holding it hostage would just lead to the societal focus being on hunting organizations like yours down not the criminals and corruption your organization claims to try and stop.
Aye, my favourite unenthusiastic serialized destruction of silly villains
It's hard to tell if you aren't a native speaker of New Zealand monotone mumblespeak, but there is enthusiasm in there.
I like that this series doesn't generally feel like it's criticizing the writing, it's just a really fun analysis about how a bunch of megalomaniacal idealists are doomed to fail. Sort of highlights the human element of all these fictional and real superpowers
as the sketch comedy mocking DKR quite correctly pointed out about Talia's plan. Batman: If you call that revenge, sign me up for seconds.
Apart from The Dark Knight, the Nolan films haven't really aged that well especially story-wise. As they really destroy the whole driving force behind Bruce Wayne.
Originally there was a scene where Joker was going to be the judge in the mock court, but they cut it out.
Would he even go along with Bane's plans. He'd probably catch on this was a scam.
I doubt this is true since Heath passed away before the 2nd movie came out.
@@jamesbishop8210You’re right. The plot of the third movie would have been completely different if Heath had lived. Nolan’s understandably been pretty tight-lipped about it, but one thing he has said is that Batman would have visited Joker in Arkham for information, in a scene based on the one with Calendar Man in _The Long Halloween._
Even the Joker’s little schemes and insanity make more sense then theirs.
Reminds me of the joke surrounding Marvel's Secret Invasion: "More like damn, obvious assault"
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The League of Shadows is like a lot of anime villians. Their philosophy sounds profound when you first hear it, but it falls apart on closer examination.
Just another reason why Anne Hathaway's Catwoman was the best part of "Rises". She's the only person in that movie with a brain.
I'm sorry, but 'from Bateman to Batman' is such a funny insight. Like I just imagine that Nolan's Bruce Wayne and Pat Bateman are one in the same, just two aspects split over two versions of New York City.
The way they changed Bruce created a lot off the problems with the League of Shadows in the movies creating massively stupid decisions comic Bruce joined as a normal member to learn how to kill the mugger and over time got Razes attention when he maybe hooked up with his daughter and only had a change of heart when he got him in his sight.
Comic Bruce wasn't a member of the League of Shadows at all. Closest he got was either being trained by one or two people who happened to be members (without his knowledge) or later when Ra's tried to recruit him because he'd already become Batman.
@@jonathancampbell5231 It's been along time read them I just knew he was a disposable grunt at best until long after training.
@@rjshadow4321 Bruce travelled the world learning from experts in various different fields he thought would be useful for his mission. At least one was an assassin (David Cain) who secretly served Ra's Al Ghul, but Bruce didn't know much about that at the time- he just wanted to learn about assassination in order to fight it. He never directly studied under the League themselves. "Disposable grunt" does him a disservice. Prior to becoming Batman, he had transformed himself into a brilliant warrior, scientist and detective. He messed up on his first night with some muggers but he survived and eventually took the valuable lesson that using stealth and terror to defeat an enemy before the battle even started would help him win more easily, hence he became the Batman.
Oh Zealot. I missed your videos. Seriously, the League of Shadows are pretty much irrational.
22:30 I think the nuke being less danagerous to outside Gotham is actually a good idea. No danger outside = less likely to intervene.
I know the Fusion Reactor was some special, new, sci-fi tech here, but it would be theoretically impossible to convert it into a bomb. Power-generating reactors work so differently and use such different fuel than bombs, it’s ridiculous. The League is lucky their plan worked simply because the writers said so
Not really, fusion produces ALOT of neutrons that turn everything radioactive, if you remove all the shielding, which bane did, it becomes a omnidirectional deathray. But ofcource the movie presented it as a bomb so whatever...
Well, they sort of hand wave it in the film, by the reactor being a "different" type of sorts.
You mean it would take something like the head designer designing a bomb to look like a power reactor and finding someone to fund it? What was her name again?
Another certified neighborhood classic!
Yeah, Bats gets with Talia way too quickly, without a background check. Also wouldn't he have been told Raz had a daughter? You'd think it would have been mentioned.
Truth and Justice being mentioned in the same sentence as the CIA is peak comedy
Bruce and his parents attend a showing of...... bat? im dying lmfao
Let's face facts: Batman picked up the idiot ball and ran with it hard in the third movie.
I think he might have been referring to the 14th c plague, rather than the 17th c one- the latter of which would actually be the last time plague would come to England, but it lingered on the Continent- but the rest of your points still stand...
“Some days you just can’t get rid of a bomb”
A few suggestions for the future: -The Goa'uld Empire/System Lords from the Stargate franchise -The Nietzscheans from Andromeda TV Series -Marco Inaros from The Expanse series -Christof from The Truman Show
I do have to say that releasing all the criminals from blackgate worked out better for the League than I would have expected. I mean, I figured it was a dice roll not in their favor that more than half those guys are gothamites with families whose neighborhood you just blew up. And then you armed them. Good for you, you made your own insurgence
Weirdest part of the plan was using the fusion reactor as a nuke. A reactor is the polar opposite of a bomb in construction. So the ONLY possible way that reactor could ever have been used as a bomb, is if it was designed to be a bomb from the start lol
You mean if Talia al Ghul was the head designer?
You don't fuck with Alfred Pennyworth. Him taking out a trained henchmen actually makes 100% sense.
"The league sacked Rome" Okay, which of all the sacks? Lol
Man, I love your editing in this one, really stepped things up
I love how he brought in Joker clips alongside his usual Star Trek ones for flavor. I wonder if he's done a video on the Joker, specifically the Heath Ledger version?
Recently watched this movie again while extremely high. It's a lot better when you're high.
This video will make a fine edition to my dinner rotation.
That moment when the most popular of the trilogy has nothing to do with the league of shadows should be enough to tell you how dumb they are
Was starting to wonder if this channel was coming back. Glad to see it!
" I fight crime in a leather suit - really SEALS IN THE FLAVOR. " - Batman
This isn’t the first time nine hard inches has been stabbed up into somebody’s ribs.
36:22 Such an accurate statement. They literally put a scarecrow into the city 😂
A new episode!? Perfect way to relax after work.
Rises was a whimpering ending, but the first 2 are absolutely iconic Also....WONG!
Thank you. This Is a video I will watch a dozen times in the next year with a smile on my face
Great timing. And welcome back man!
let's go Klingon or Romulans next.
To be fair Starfleet also goes on the too stupid list, when nobody ever realized you don't need advanced tech to defeat cloaking, just make a low output phaser scatter gun then fire at the place where the phaser beam prematurely stops. Rule 1 of Stealth "Your still there stupid".
@anvos658 ya, that is a good point. starfleet is pretty stupid for various reasons.
We need a compare/contrast between the nolanverse league of shadows, gotham league of shadows, and arrow league of assassins, with commentary by Saint Tuvok.
I'd definitely watch that
It's funny how Arrow ripped off the Gotham destruction idea.
People kept telling me that these Batman movies were good and I kept telling them that these movies are really stupid. Thanks for making this video and saving me some grief.
OK...this is all great...but one thing they did get wrong is the nuke in Dark Knight Rises. 22:08 There is no fission bomb that can reach 4 megatons of yield, the largest that is possible is about 500 kilotons...to reach 4 megatons of yield you must use a multistage thermonuclear bomb. Also, since the largest nuclear weapons that are deployed nowadays are about 1.6 megatons, a 4 megaton bomb is definitely not small. Granted, the Russians are threatening to deploy 50 megaton or 100 megaton bombs on their near future Poseidon nuclear powered mega torpedoes, but as far as reports indicate that has not happened yet.
Batman should have just set the atopilot to fly straight up as high as possible before the nuke went off. it would have left the city unaffected and saved ocean life...
When he says"Nothing Note Worthy happened" was him saying "There was Perfect Choas"