WORKSHOP WALLS ARE UP - Experimenting with Insulated Panels
My plan ever since thinking up the workshop design was to use SIPs or some form of external insulation like this. It both performs better and gives more internal space while featuring the whole timber frame still. By the time the outside is timber clad it will be a hidden element and less like a commercial freezer! For the time being I will have a clean black canvas to show off the framed but also plenty of plans to create feature panels, shelves and storage between posts in the future. Alternatively you could use like SIPs and plasterboard or overboard internally if it was more of a garden room or office, etc. Future video will go into a few more of the details and costings. 👍
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It appears that I should need to clarify some things which will be covered in the next video anyway. The panel approach is no different from SIPs which often used on timber framed buildings. The idea of insulating externally means that the home frame can be featured in the workshop and avoids the need to use studwork between every post. Externally the building will look no different, it will still be over clad in cedar or larch. So rather than looking like an OSB box for a week or two it looks like a giant chiller, either way it still ends up at the same place and in a much better performing and quicker way. Inside I will likely leave most of the white panels as they will be covered with shelves and units but I will share how you could easily panel or plasterboard the bays in the next video. Hope that clears things up. 👍
Phew. Didn't think you'd be going for the plastic look, not really you, is it? :-)
Seems like a plan to me👍👍👍
All my plans have just been turned on their head by your interesting and inspirational video! I now just need to work out how to build it without the most elegant timber frame internally, namely for the wall sections to carry all loads. I'm sure this can be done: I'm off to the Kingspan website now.....
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Sorry, what are the exterior parts of the panels made of? Steel o some kind of PVC? I thought that one of the main advantage of those panels is that you don't need to add anything on the exterior side (althought they may look as a giant freezer), like over clad with cedar or something. Am I wrong?. Here in Argentina, such panels are called sandwich panels and the external parts are made of steel sheets with an insulator in the middle.
Sad that you have to justify your choices. The right job is the one your happy with and suits your budget. Top job
I thoroughly enjoyed seeing your partner (certainly not "helper"!) in winter gear and you with short sleeves. The build looks great!
My wife and I are the sane way, I grew up tolerating UK "weather" and my wife is used to Arkansas weather which can make rocks melt.
Nice to see you had a sunny day for this part of the build!
This is the best. I hope one day in USA we have this type of construction, here in US is only about money and build the cheapest toilet paper houses possible.
As the workshop ages, those big timbers will look better and better, working inside that space will be amazing...
Oh Tim and Jo, I’m a little envious of this workshop. Lovely to see you both working together too. Open sequence was amusing - “what do you mean assistant”? Love that picture frame view from the window too. And finally, can Tim’s smile get any larger? Keep well ☺️
Super job, so quick to install... you will have a warm workshop for sure 👌
Really enjoying the videos on the new workshop, keep them coming 👍
Fantastic job! Some good advice about the cost compared to other methods. Make a lot of sense 👌
Very interested in the cost comparison with the more typical stud wall etc build. Looking to build a workshop soon and was planning on stud walls, but also fancy a go at timber framing!
Great progress, and so good to see that the dog is still going strong.
I am so excited for you!! I have been waiting forever to see this workshop that you are always talking about 🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩
Personally I love the chunky timber frame, who cares of it is overkill, it looks great!
Those panels are awesome. I might look into the roof panels to put on my workshop as currently it isn’t great and not insulated. Thanks for all the info. Andy UK
Editing as well as the walls have come on a bundle. Channel feels fresher for it.
Using kingspan insulated boards are waaaaaay cheaper than using timber etc!! I recently built a 5.8m x 3.8m mancave using second hand boards for the walls and new for the roof and including a three panel bi-fold door and full plastering the interior I managed to build the room for less than £5K. The beauty is the insulation / noise suppression properties and the fact it will still be standing in 30+ years time.
and for anyone else reading Dazzlers post, i just checked, yeap he has a 93 secs photo slideshow of his own build. very nice man cave indeed.
Awesome - very simple - quick construction also reduces the total cost
Man, this thing is coming together quickly! Nice job, dude!
They go together with a satisfying thud!
I just clicked on to a 8 min video ( another channel) and yours popped up...I waited seven minutes to watch it and should of clicked on straight away ( was practicing patience😂) such progress in 10 hours...I really like the internal look...craftsmanship beams with a more industrial blend ..eclectic ❤️❤️❤️❤️ oh and loving Jo’s overalls! 🙋🏻♀️🇬🇧💕jane
I was hoping for half-timbered wattle and daub.
Amazing job! Great co-worker too. Thumbs up to both of you 👍👍🤠
I like the idea of using those cold room sips. Looks like a really efficient way of insulating and sealing the workshop; and probably better performing! I’m gonna have to look into this! Looking forward to seeing it clad though.. only then will it look more like a work of art than a glorified fridge! Keep em coming matey. Already looking forward to the next one.. cheers 😉
That’s going to be one beautiful shed 👍
This is how we extended our non listed cottage with a two story Oak frame and clad with SIP panels, not metal coated but OSB with plaster board inside. Ended up studying and filling between the beams on the interior for added sound proofing. Generally it's great, just some things I would do different 2nd time around, like there will be a second time 🤣🤣🤣 Great job and enjoy the frame while you work in your workshop.
fantastic work, thank God you have a great boss E&P
Brilliant product.....so easy...if i was to build a workshop I would use it
Ive worked with those type of panels before 150mm thick and about 6m long. Used to build refrigerated buildings inside warehouse spaces.
I love this mix of tradition with timbers and this modernity with panels. Great work !
Not gonna lie, I feel a bit conflicted about it. All that work making a traditional post and beam structure (which I can only dream of making) only to turn it into some sort of prefab hut. I mean, I get you need modern insulation and so on, but I guess I was hoping for wattle and daub :D
i really don't tbh all the effort just goes to waste and now it will just look like any other shed
@@Thatsme849 Not just look like any other shed because from the inside, Tim will be able to contemplate the fruit of his great work. In my opinion, this is the most important
Looks good. I just finished a 30x40 workshop from insulated panels.
Nice frame
NICE VIDEO MATE
Protect not covered foam for rats and mouse. In poland we have some similar sheets named 'Obornicka' and i build my workshop from panels reused from old campings builds in 70'
Very nice.....looks fab ....love your videos ....keep up the great work
great job looks lovely well done
Wow, looks like a great idea. Look forward to seeing the finished job.
Интересный вариант!😊 Девушка помошница молодец!👍✊️👏
Genius. What a wonderful job. Cheers...
I just spent over £1500 on 36x 2x4's and 25x plywood sheets for stabilising the watermill... yeah, these might be expensive but they look well worth it, and very convenient. Doing studding would have taken way longer and i suspect with current pricing be very little difference on material costs.
This is brilliant. Love the idea of a visible timber frame. IMO , a dark stained timber and the contrast of the metal would look really pleasing. I have an open floor plan tiny house design where there are no mechanicals in the exterior walls. I am in Florida USA and wonder if this design with big custom Lexan (Polycorbonate) picture frame windows would pass Florida Building codes (Structural, Fire, Energy, Egress, etc)
Tim is a spirit animal for us all.
Good job, want to use SIPS for my next project .
You are one busy chap. Top work 💪💪💪💪💪👌👌👌👌
BOOM! Looking goooooood!
Very nicely done! Those beams look absolutely gorgeous and are preferable to steel. I wouldn't have OSB or plasterboard in anything I construct as I consider them to be utter garbage! Your workshop will not only be very well constructed, it will be lovely too, and making it a really nice place to be makes all the difference! Interesting people and project, subscribed!
Reminds me of working on food factory sites. Nice work 👍
Reminds me of doing stock takes each week as a chef in walk in chillers! 🥶
@@TheRestorationCouple I’m sure it’ll be nice and warm during winter though 👌
That's a fancy work shop.
Thanks... Lots ts of options to upgrade if needed...
Well done mate you can see how excited you was at the start of the video it made me laugh
Handy little helper 😆😆 Hope you’ve got some panels over , you can make a dog house 😆😉
clever how you did the roof angles ............
Glad I did it that way rather than roof first. No tape measure needed. 👌
It's a very amazing job
It is really clever way to build.
I chuckled at your comment that it looks like a freezer , pleased you are cladding it - seems a shame to cover the beautiful frame.
Great idea !
Excellent job
That smile is getting bigger by the day 😎👍
I'd have come and helped Tim but you couldn't have got me in the back of that workshop with a sledgehammer. LOL. Regards Jim
Agreed, you've got the structural element in that amazing frame, so just slap insulation on the outside and avoid some thermal bridging. Where did you get the timbers for £1,200 as that seems crazy cheap.
Damn it’s so nice to see a craftsman work, reminds me of me back in the day…Cheers
Probably directly from the sawmill. Most sawmills in the UK will directly deal with you. And cash is good with a few of the smaller sawmills
I'd look around for smaller, privately owned, sawmills in your area, for starters. Often times, if you can work with "rough cut" lumber, you can source it a lot more reasonably than you'd think. I don't know what type of wood he used, but I have enough pine on my land, I could drop some big, tall, mature, pines, and have them cut into whatever size lumber I'm looking for. If I needed some long, heavy, beams, I'd cut down every pine I had before I paid whatever asinine price they charge at retail stores.
Great video and thanks for the details. I was wondering throughout the video whether the long panels can be used horizontally as I’m sure that would have involved less cutting. Maybe you can’t because of the interlocking system has to be vertical for water drainage/proofing but it would be interesting to know?
Horizontal is the correct way to put these panels actually
IMP panels are goof however scratch and dent fairly easy which makes repair a pain as you have to pull all the panels on the damaged side apart to replace.
Beautiful handmade oak frame hidden ? But I can understand it leaves more space inside and I'm sure once clad it will look the business
Looks excellent
Was surprised you didn't use sealant between wall joints. Was told by contractor that they use rubber and caulking between wall joints on IMP.
I don't understand how sth as great as this can even get "a" dislike not to mention; "90".
Just had a quick look on there website, genuinely surprised.
You’re doing great. Don’t justify yourself to others
interesting material. house i live in has a conservatory that i hate - got me thinking now as a replacement. fully aware the building industry is a cottage industry and hates anyone whom tries to be different.
Thanks for sharing
You put them up easier than the five 'professionals' who just built our new home shopping pod 😂 I wonder if they were the returns from our build, they only went back in January and are the same style and colour 🤔
Hi Tim, really enjoying this series of vids. I wonder if you would take a minute of your precious time to explain how the movement of the main timber beams as they dry might affect the direct fixings of the panels. Won’t they twist or try to pull apart as the post shrinks back. Or is the douglas fir already dry? Would green oak post and beam construction require different fixings? I ask because this method looks like a possible way for me to replace out inherited cheap Wickes conservatory.... 🙂. Thank You
Hello, love the channel
Excellent 👍
Looking deeper into the panels, they look really great except for one thing: they are steel.. Do you have something in mind to cover the cut edges to protect them from rusting? These would be amazing for our rear mudroom/pantry extension to the mill, but I'd be really worried about rusting from the salt spray we have in the air.
If you're in a high corrosion area then it's probably a good idea to treat the cut edges. That goes for any preprinted steel sheet product e.g. corrugated steel roof or siding sheets. Possibly even better to inquire for higher corrosion class product if available.
Very nice
you should install the panels horizontally, with the zippers facing upwards, so that water does not leak inside
Kingspan insulated panels, batons and cladding are the way forward. Did a job using the same features. Top notch! Great vid!!
I built a 3x3,5m studio for my Wide with these panels start of the first lockdown. Clad the inside with cheap underlayment. It was much cheaper using those b grade panels than a regular shed. I didn’t even need any backing timbers, just used the panels. It did an acceptable job. Although it did get chilly in winter, she had to have a heater in. Will you be adding heating or air on there?
Thank you very much for the amazing video. I have just ordered SIPs panels to build a garden room. A question to you and fellow DIYers: Do you think I could use floor channels/ U channels to fit the panels on the floor rather than hanging them on timber frames? If I could do it, do I still need a timber framing to hold panels and ceiling together?
Should of just used 6x2 framing Waste of oak Oak looked spot on
No oak here?
@@TheRestorationCouple sorry I just thought with the shapes and nice wood work it was oak
Here’s me struggling with 4 metre oak beams and there’s you “Oh the walls are up!” Pft... 😂
🎁 good job
Each to their own and really a question of personal priorities, balancing looks over efficiency. I perhaps would have made the braces nearly full breadth (to the posts) then infilled. Less thermally efficient of course but would keep post and beam look inside and outside by dropping the cladding inside. Thermal efficiency decrease could have been offset partially in the roof.
I agree. I would never cover up that wood. I’m at this phase in a shop and looking for a wall material. The roof was completed first
Super 👍
I expected to see the makita beam saw appear for day 2 cuts to make it thru in one pass
Why the overkill on the wooden structure? The panels were a perfect choice. Well done.
Just a test run before a house build so treated it as practice.
Greettings from Lima Perú
Thanks for the great video. I was planning to do the same. Are those 3" or 4" thick sandwich panel? Do they wobble during windy days? I'm still learning here. Thanks in advanced for the advice.
Nice. Saludos desde España
We’re looking to buy an 8x10 shed for the garden and I’m now wondering if I could use this method instead of buying a thin old prefab from the shops. Smaller scale for sure but I like it a lot and I think it would work.
I've got an 8x6 shed to replace this year. I want it to outlast me, so repairing it next time is someone else's problem. I'm thinking nice timber frame like this and a slate roof. Oh, and a clock tower 😆
Look nice.
wow, those pilars and beams, are you going to park a tank in the roof? indestructible!
I'd like to build a small bike cave in my property and your workshop with wooden frame and panels seems to be a good idea for my project as well. Would you be kind enough to work me thru all process. I need a step-by-step list to follow...thanks !
This is cool
Another good video to watch just watching your latest one. Just something I picked up on because I read the same when looking at rebuilding my garage. The purpose of a garage is to park a car in it there it should be non combustible in the regs when against a boundary. However if you make the doors small enough to not fit a car through it’s not a garage and is no different to the shed or an outside summer house etc non of which people would worry about being non combustible against a fence line because of regs. So I would say get it clad that wall if you prefer it for asthestics.
All classified as outbuildings though and over 15m2 need to account for fire. Smaller stuctures would not be an issue though. Chatted with building control recently and have a video in the pipeline which explains all. 👍
@@TheRestorationCouple cheers for the reply I have learnt something there luckily I got bricks for my garage but I was going to do wooden. I look forward to the video.
@@TheRestorationCouple Hi, did you ever do the video about this? I am thinking of using these panels for a build and would like to go within 1m of boundary to maximise permitted floorspace.
This type of panel is also available in a fireproof form, but of course they cost more.
I have access to some second hand panels rescued from a very large cold room. I also have access to some steel. I was thinking about following your example and build an extention which would include two offices for daughters who have hybrid jobs and a utility room. I will be cladding it like you have done. Do you have any advice on planning permission and building regs?
Best speak with BCO, it is similar approach to SIPs but worth checking. We are using them on our barn conversion soon.
Why did you need the internal wood frame? I've seen videos of these panels just sitting in a channel on the floor and the roof panels spanning the whole length between the walls. Just curious
What type of blade are you using to cut the panels? I've used the carbide tip for out panels here in Australia, colour bond panels (0.6mm sheet steel) but loose a few teeth.