Top M3 Max vs Base M3 Max 16" MacBook Pro, is the max worth $500 more?
Top M3 Max vs Base M3 Max 16" MacBook Pro, is the max worth $500 more? - Results may surprise you! This is a Pro Photo Workflow Test & comparisons. This is a comprehensive test & comparison of Apple newest M3 SoC inside the 16" MacBook Pro. This review will also include results from previous generation M1, M2, M3, M1 Pro, M2 Pro, M3 Pro, M1 Max, M2 Max, M3 Max, M1 Ultra and M2 Ultra. These tests includes Lightroom Classic, Lightroom, Capture One, Photoshop, Final Cut Pro and After Effects. These are tests done from a perspective of a pro photographers so you can choose the best machines that fits your workflow.
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00:00 Intro
00:09 Preface
01:08 Test System
03:11 Memory Bandwidth
03:46 Retest Everything
04:05 Battery
04:43 Color Calibration
05:11 Single App Test
05:22 Test Configs
06:01 Effect of SSD & RAM Is known
06:30 Reading the Spec
06:42 SSD
07:43 Internal vs External SSD
08:02 Memory - RAM
09:26 Intel Mac advise
09:36 32GB+ for Pro
10:10 Lightroom Classic Preview 1:1
11:11 LRC Export
11:57 LRC HDR
12:34 LRC Panorama Merge
14:07 LRC AI Noise Reduction
14:56 Lightroom CC - LR Export
16:00 Capture 1 - C1 Preview
17:13 C1 Export
18:24 Photoshop
22:06 Video Export FCP
24:05 AfterEffects
25:21 Analysis
29:48 SoC Recommendations
32:13 Upgrade Path
33:09 Conclusion
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Thank you so much!! This is the comparison I've been looking forward to most!!
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Thank you for this video. I’ve been waiting for it. I’m a Software Engineer. But just watching these vids is good for seeing some of the deltas between the two SOCs. Appreciate your hard work and hope the channel continues to grow.
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Great video! The M3 Max 14/30/36 seems like a sweet spot in the lineup, especially considering the price/performance compared to a similarly spec’d M3 Pro 12/18/36.
M3 Max Base, 14", 512GB SSD, 36GB RAM, $2999, is the sweet spot (with of course the Apple tax).
I went with the 14/30/36 1TB space black. I'm coming from a mid 2015 I7, can't wait to see the difference.
Word!
@@benjaminreynolds3659 don't go with 512 even if you plan to connect external sdds, trust me. Once you'll install the apps you will be hitting ceiling when using apps like AE that needs a lot of disk cache to work good.
@@benjaminreynolds3659 There is no 512GB M3 max... 1TB is the base.
Mindblowing amount of tests in one video. Thank you so much!
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Another great video and comparison 🙏. And the best sentence is probably „at one point we have to look behind specs“ - so true 👍
Wish more people do that, so many are specs obsessed
Wow, fantastic review / research. Thanks
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Thanks Art, it’s been an informative watch and I can’t wait to see the M3 Ultra. That configuration looking at the M3 Pro to Max sets things up to be extremely powerful. Hope a new XDR screen is on the horizon too
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Thank you for this informative video it helped me value my M3 base purchase!
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Thank you for this video. This is what I've been waiting for. I bought the 14/30/36 1TB space black. Can't wait until it gets here.
nice!
How it is ? Do you feel need of 48 gb
Great review Art and showing the difference between the versions!! I like your comment on buying M2 version on sale for the difference in performance isn’t worth the investment or if keeping the laptop for a long time buy the higher M3 version. We had talked when I ask for help on M1Max Pro for photography and your numbers do show a good upgrade with M3. I read another review that said M1 to M3 is worth the upgrade on performance. M2 users could wait for the next M4, as you mentioned the upgrades are minimal in going to M3 from the M2. Keep up the great videos and you are the standard on testing!!!😊
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I would first like to say I very much enjoy your channel! it's very detialed and made with a lot of heart. Honestly your channel was the reason why I pulled the trigger on the 14in MBP M3 max. Upgrading from windows i7 11th gen, its fantastic. After owning it for a week, I'm thinking of upgrading further into the 16in MBP m3 MAX justify the extra cost to the larger screen and battery but primarily for the extra ram. (48 GB) and the 40 core vs the current 30 core. While I was on my 14inch MBP, I checked the used ram and just with 6-7 google chrome tab open, (no videos) 1 firefox tab open and Microsoft word document, I was already into 22GB out the 36GB ram. I'm nervous of it will perform with that plus 2-3 hours of zoom (full time online student). I was reading that mac IOS is ram hungry and no matter how much ram available, It would be the same situation. Curious to hear your thoughts on this.
in some sense RAM works differently on Mac. Usage is good to know but more so I would look at the pressure. Mac can rapid compressed unused memory, etc. 32, 36 GB are perfectly fine. If you feel that 48 GB will help go for it, but most most I don't see the justification and also you are forced to upgrade the SoC as well, which cost per performance does not make any sense
These videos are by far the best reviews on Mac, nobody else even comes close!
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Thank you very much for these videos! Very informative and full of useful info! I am using Capture One on my M1 Max. Did you try the new Version yet? (With the AI Masking) It uses finally all cores generating previews and runs faster. Also am wondering if the M3 Max will generate the KI Masks quicker.
Yes this is the latest version, it is faster but it does not scale well and still sucks overall regarding system utilization
Awesome comparison. Got the base 14 MBP M3 Max.
nice
How it is going did feel need of 48 gb
Your videos really are a great format and the amount of work you put in is better than any of your competitors especially from a photographers perspective. I’m now wondering how much these figures would skew when considering higher resolution files. 50 megapixel really feels like the average these days, for my use case I’m shooting 100 megapixel (lossless compressed) tethered to capture one on fashion for 2 seasons of the year, with around 300 raw to tiff conversions every 2 days for a month (usually the recipes at output consist of uncompressed 16 bit tif, 30% quick proof JPEG at the same time) I’m running 2 external monitors, Chronosync, google chrome, Egnyte, Elinchrom Studio and capture one running with a style and colour correction applied to each file. I’ve been using a top spec Intel i9 with 32GB of ram since its launch in 2019 but it’s really starting to struggle. I think the amount of Ram swap has degraded the SSD over time. I’m waiting for my M3 Max 16 core with 64GB of ram to arrive, I think the performance upgrade should be very noticeable, judging by these charts alone! Thanks for all the hard work!
Huge leap from intel
Your stats are basically the gold standard. I went with the 14/30 M3 Max, happy that I did after seeing your results.
Good stuff
Best mac comparison channel!
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Thanks again for your work Is there a difference between the Media Engines in m1 vs m2/3 ? Same codec support? Apple shows also m1 with pro res raw e.g. Do I go wrong with m1 ultra for video? Cheers
Ultra is the king and M SoC with in the specific variants, the encoder / decoder engines are the same.
Excellent detailed video as always,,, keep up the good work Art)),,,now,,,my current machine is the M1pro 16gb 1tb,,,at that time this was the machine I could afford, but looking back, I should definitely upgrade the ram in it, because now I feel the lack of it,,,my main usecase is Photoshop & Illustrator (10h a day),,,,I was thinking to upgrade to the m3pro 36gb 1tb for £3199,,,but then the base m3max caught my eye)) but it is £3599 ,,, £400 difference,,,I live in the UK,,,, I'll buy one of them for sure,,but I'm not so sure if that £400 difference is worth it for Photoshop & illustrator,,,, your view on this? Thx man
For what you do the Pro will work just fine. MAX won't benefit you as much. if you do lots of LRC then yes
These videos, including today's, have been invaluable! Thanks for taking your precious time to get us as much information as possible for deciding, based on our workflow, what Mac to purchase! You've mentioned that for you prefer having 64mb of memory because it's not just running PS and LRC, but running several other apps at the same time and having enough memory to do so. I’m the same thinking because when I’m working on a large panorama, I sometimes need to close out PS after stitching the photos in LRC (I’m on an Intel I9 MBP, 32mb). So, if I go with a M3 Max 14/30 with 36gb of memory, I’m wondering if I could run eventually into what I experience that on my Intel MBP or because of the increase in processing power/speed I won’t?
As someone who also does large panorama merges 64GB has been the only amount that will not use swap or hit yellow memory pressure on ANY apple silicone machine. Perhaps it's not a bad thing hitting swap and certainly in terms of speed its prob fine, but I strongly believe that PS and LR try to take as much memory as possible. However it's perfectly possible to use a machine with less ram and just wait, say for 16GB it might use 24gb of swap and hang for a bit, but instead of 1m30s it would be say 3m30.
Thanks for the info. As Art has stated, 32gb is the minimum for pro-workflows and I agree wholeheartedly. Now that Apple has change their memory configuration, the 36mb of memory should be just a bit better. From Ari's testing, it appears 48mb may be enough too, kinda the new '64mb' in the M3's for the increase speed and performance of the chip. A M3 Max with 14/30 is close to the M1 Max in CPU/GPU, so with that configuration, I'd think it would deliver similar performance/speed as the M1 Max. @@midasvancerer
I would say if you can get a Max from the previous gen with more memory and RAM that is worth it for a lower price than the M3 Max. As far as memory goes, I would get more, rather than less and as much as you can afford and think you are going to use. I know these are vague responses but it is extremely difficulty to determine individual workflow. The latest and greatest is nice but and of these machines are going to be leaps and bound better than the intel one :)
@@danmckee4988 yup all going to be very similar but less is still less and more is still more . I’ve tested M3 max machines with 36,48,64 and 96 this week and Lightroom and photoshop still want to use around 60GB in some tests and when that happens the test results take 2 X longer at 36,48. Comparing those tests to the M2M chip with the same memory configs available the results also take 2 X longer for anything below 64. + about 20%. Arts put some hard work in for this testing and not everyone can get hold of all the machines, but I’m concerned the points getting missed and the conclusion that less memory in an M3 is as fast as previous chips is simply incorrect at this time. Something really interesting to me was panning a high res image at 200% zoom on ANY m3 config was incredibly fast to render and essentially instant. All other machines including the M2U would take a second to render the image. No idea why.
Yes, I know that you can’t be specific because everyone’s workflow has differences. I primarily do Landscape, although I can take a lot of pictures, I might will have a couple of “keepers,” sometimes not at all. So, your testing addresses a couple of areas that I do all the time, HDR and Panorama merge. I can tell you from looking at a lot of other KZheadr’s that review MBP with PS and LRC, no one I’ve found gets down to the details like you do! So, vague or not, your testing, charting, comments, etc., are a big help to me, thanks! @@ArtIsRight
It would be great to see the Davinci and Premiere performance for both 4k 8bit 420 and 10bit 422. Puget has some industry respected benchmarks as you probably know. Also, some feeback about timeline performance for 4k footage would be great. Exports are not the most important as many users just set the export and walk away. The timeline experience is far more important IMO.
Btw he mentioned Puget multiple times in the last few videos- he isn’t using it yet as it is still in beta so results may vary
Exactly the ability to do real time editing at 30fps with all effects applied is what I am looking for as well. Although we mostly are not exporting to 8k or 12k but for me I found editing footage in 8K/12k would demand more RAM (64GB is not enough) to be smooth. If these could also be included in video editing tests that’d be very useful for videography and filmmaking audience.
And certainly we are not comparing how well these machines running Words or Pages, are we? 15-30% speed improvement is good but is there anyone who wants their keynote to run faster? Converting image or video format is not really creating any bottleneck for these machines already.
I can’t believe it’s taken me as long as it has to find a comment like yours. Even channels where the creator edits their own content, they never mention things of this sort. It’s mind boggling… I don’t care if it takes 10 minutes to export my video or 15 minutes! IS MY TIMELINE GOING TO STALL OR NOT?!
for future gens, perhaps
Thank you Art for another video with incredible information to help us in our choices or to justify our purchase. So if I understand correctly, you do NOT feel the M3 Max top is worth it for the extra money versus the M3 max base? So being I had two opinions from YOU first time you told me M3 Pro was fine. Second time you told me M3 max base was fine. Need the tiebreaker. Lol If I’m using LRC and some Photoshop with special effects, software, such as Nik, etc. And some video projects possibly as well Do you feel the M3 max base for the four to $500 bump is a better choice in the long run versus the M3 pro 16 inch 36 GB version? You don’t feel the bump from the M3 Max Base is worth it. BUT is the difference from the M3 pro 36gb to the M3 base Max a different beast? And if yes, WHY can you give me a couple of thoughts analysis, and observations on why? not just a one-word answer please? Your feedback is my final choice at this point In Art I trust and I value your choices. Thank you.
Base Max is the best value this gen. Choose the base max in the size that you want and call it the day. You'll be happy with it either way. If you can spare the money. If not choose the pro.
Watching this on my Apple MacBook Pro M3 Max 16 inch, 14 core CPU, 30 core GPU, 36GB Unified Memory with 1TB SSD Storage in Space Black... Mouthful 😂
word!
Great video! Exactly what I was looking for! M3 Max Base is the one for me!
Great to hear!
@ArtIsRight have you a breakdown of the photoshop processes that are exclusively CPU only? I’d work with multi layered composites and focus stacked images in PS and I’m now looking to move from intel i7, currently there’s great deals to be had on refurbed Mac Studio m1 ultra with 64gb/1TB but your chart suggests the M3 Pro/max yet these are significantly more expensive here in the EU for those models than the m1Ultra and wouldn’t come with as much ram or ssd. Has any one experience with the benefits of M1 Ultra for PS use or is it diminished returns? Perhaps hold off for m3 max studio instead?
For PS not so much, if you do LRC/LR then Ultra yes
Got my self the M3 Max 14/30/36 - its amazing! super fast!
Amazing!
Great videos so far thank you so much for that! I really want to get the Base Max but as I have been looking at my memory pressure like you recommended and it is turning yellow at times...(32GB), so now I need to decide if I upgrade to the top max and go for 64GB or if I should stick with the Base Max and go for 96GB (only 100€ more). My gut is telling me to go for Top & 64. Do you have an opinion on that? Would really appreciate it!
Normally if you have the pressure in yellow with 32gb, with 48go of RAM that is 16 gb more you shouldn't have any worries about the pressure.
@@mathieuceccarini1841 yeah but if I wanted 48 I need to go for the top max. And in that case I also would just pay the 200€ more and get the 64gb. That´s probably what I am going to do but I just noticed that for that price I also could go for the base Max and upgrade to 96gb. And that´s what's on my mind.
@@lauramazurek8735 It all depends on what you use and your workload but I find it pointless to take 96gb of RAM if you ever go beyond 40-50gb of RAM 64gb will be more than enough. I've got two A7 ivs with ps+ lr on m1 pro 32gb and I can't get a swap on the ram for my use, which suits me fine if it doesn't suit me any more in 1 or 2 years I can swap and resell, which isn't a problem because I make my living from photography.
I would choose base SOC and 96GB, the bump is not easy but with the top SoC you won't see much benefit with 48GB, it will not be that much faster as you see in the charts.
Hi and thank you Art I was waiting for your video to see if I'd made a mistake taking the MBP 16' M3 max 14/30 36gb 1to version and finally for a lightroom + photoshop use of 33mpx raw file (A7iv) it will do very very well! I was honestly expecting a bigger difference between the two, I honestly think that if the price difference would have been 300€ I would have taken the M3 max 16/40 but for (600€ is the price in France) it's not worth it.
For A7IV’s 33mp files any M chip mac with 16GB RAM is good to go. My M1 Pro was struggling with A7RVs 61mp files and this base M3 Max performance jump feels amazing in real world, everything is super snappy.
@@2000sidhupunjab You had the m1 pro in 32gb RAM? Now I suppose you have the m3 max 14/30 36gb?
Totally agree!
Thanks! Finally a video that address this. All the other test tech people go for maxed out max only. Now the question: Will you recommend upgrading from the M1 Max 64GB 10/32 to the M3 max base? Will the downgrade in memory bother me? (video/audio/3D work)
Do you want about 10-25% faster or more mem that is question. It will depend on what you do
Seems in any case a small speed bump to pay such a premium price for... Better wait until M4 then... @@ArtIsRight
Thanks!
Welcome!
I am torn between a refurbished m2 max with 64gb ram, and a m3 base max with 36gb ram. Both are priced similarly with 2tb ssd. I'll be mostly using it for lightroom. Will eventually lean into davichi as I learn to make videos. If you had to choose, which would you get?
I would choose 64GB RAM, more is better. Generational improvement in speed is rather small
This is really the breakdown I needed. Appreciate you walking us through it. 14/30/36 here we come!
Nice!
Your videos are always masterpiece! If I use Final Cut Pro and my workflow requires at least 64gb ram What is your recommend? 30c Gpu with 96gb ram or 40c gpu with 128gb ram?
you are not going to see much improvement with 10 extra GPU. so think of it as spending extra money for the 128 vs 96GB ram, the question is do you need that much. If no then 30C with 96GB will do you just fine.
@@ArtIsRight Thank you for the advice and kind reply! You are the always best and professional!!
THANK YOU THIS IS THE VIDEO WE NEEDED, the best M3 pro/base M3M vs max M3M with real world application. thank you for all these vids.
You're very welcome!
Thank you! - Is there a difference in M3 Base Max 14" vs 16" in performance / noise levels? - I am after the 14" Base Max but worried about overheating and battery problems.
Same
Same question, Art! Amazing comparisons. The best on KZhead.
Also Same Question
Performance will be about the same, fan will kick in sooner and may run slightly louder but it fine really. I don't mind it as much, I want power and portability on the go
@@ArtIsRight Thanks. I'm just annoyed we can't spec the base Max with 48 or 64 GB RAM. Crazy.
Hello Sir, I’m looking at purchasing my first MacBook. I’m undecided I plan on using FinalCut. The video I would be editing is my drone DJI and iPhone. Looking to keep computer 3-5 years. What’s your thoughts if you’re able to. Thank you
M3M base or look at proviso Gen Max which are not a good value
@@ArtIsRight Thank you
ArtlsRight , mainly use FCPX realtime editing with effects like neat video, film convert and Topaz. Got now M1 Pro 16 1 tera. Got the chance to upgrade on similar price M2 Max 12/38 96ram 2tb or M3 Max 14/30 36ram 1tb. it seems only advantage on m3max would battery life and newer model. I need fast render, exporting time and real life editing performance with effects. Let me know what do you think please. Best!
M2 Max 12/38 96ram 2tb More RAM will go a long way
I bought the base (36 GB) as an upgrade from a sluggish 16 GB M1 Pro MBP. I think it was the best option for me. I still have my M1U base for my main work. Thanks, Art!
The base Max?
M3 max is better than m1ultra😅
@@Tldrx Not quite but it is definitely pushing up on it in many ways.
Nice!
@chupika2918 based on my test, close but not quite beside C1 which is a mess.
Thanks for saving me some $$$ on my MacBook Pro purchase!🙌
Happy to help!
Hi, can you compare the 14" M3 Max 14/30 with the 14" M3 Max 16/40? Apparently the 14" 16/40 version heats up a lot and the fans spin loud.
about the same
I really would be interested in seeing one test with multitasking -- LrC, Messages, Mail, Safari, etc. Right now, have a 14" MBP M1P w/ 16GB. Activity Monitor is showing a steady 14.6GB and 9.53GB swap and I only see green when I first boot up. I am thinking my next upgrade with be a Max w/ 64GB just so I am plenty future proofed. I probably should have got 32GB originally, but oh well. I am where I am now.
If you are going to push the system hard just get more ram
Just the information I was looking for . The base Max it is .👍🏻
awesome
YES!!! The test i was waiting for, thanks so much!!! ❤❤❤❤❤❤ EDIT: Nice, after watching your tests i can order the M3 Max base and spare me some money without a doubt. Would have loved to see a little Logic test, as i am a music producer, but the Max basic should be a killer machine (getting it with 2TB storage).
Remember, you don’t have to pay Apple for the upgrade to a larger SSD you could get a bigger SSD and save some money by buying external hard drive
@@JeffAlanWolf-ij3ls I know, their prices are pretty insane, i just don´t like the idea of taking with me an external SSD all the time, but yeah, it´s hard to pay so much for a bit more storage.
Well, I understand what you’re saying and I agree Apple’s pricing is insane. I just don’t like the thought that if the computer ever crashes at least I have my external drive with all my files safe.
@@adl0815for my machines, I waited to my spec was available on the Apple refurbished store since I find they come with 2 charges battery wise. Or if you can use student discount it should soften the blow somewhat. The pricing is mouth watering for sure
@adl0815 thank you and dm me about logic
Hi Art now have my beloved M3Max Base in the run (I'm still curious how the M3Pro Maxconfig with comparable RAM and Storage will beat if you look at SSD write it seems ther is a difference between 512Gb and 1 TB with Reading its a tigh), regarding RAM e.g. Lightroom classic 1:1 Preview 1K is it due to the CPU or due to the amount of RAM (i assume both), Lightroom classic Export 1K the tigh with the M3P surprises me as CPU and GPU should be better on the M3M and the SSD Write also, ....... I think the 16MBP M3P 12/18 36GB 1TB needs a a run in comparison to the 16 MBP M3M 14/30 36Gb 1 TB
Or if Art could give his observations and thoughts of which one is better?
Still the Max base would perform better. Similar RAM and SSD, can't make up for the core count and CPU core distribution, not to mentioned more GPU, thought it is not used much
@@ArtIsRight Hi Art, so i understand you right that in comparison to the MBP M3Max Base the MPB M3Prox Max with comparable RAM and SSD is not worth the money/the M3Max is the BETTER deal. So in conclusion if you need 32 GB of RAM take the Max instead of an upgraded Pro. If you need less than 32 GB possibly wait for the MBA M3.
I watched your video where you compared studio configuration with 64Gb vs 128Gb, and I did see any reason to take 128, but your opinion for next 5 years it will be needed 128Gb for M3 Max?
Only if your workflow needs it, if not then no
Thank you @ArtIsRight, this is what my OCD brain needed. I would rather have few less cores and max out ram which saves me 700 while future proofing the laptop for many years ahead. My usage is editing 6K videos and 96MPixel raw images, so definitely more ram needed than cpu cores. Thank you.
You are on the right track
I don't understand what you mean at 26 mins when you say the "when you work in video the double encoder is going to save time". What feature of the Max chipsets are you refering to here?
double the encoder / decoder engine in the max vs lower SoC
Hello. I am an Animation Student does 3D rendering/rigging will be using adobes, maya and blender. Do you think Macbook M3 Pro 11/14/36 unified memory with 1TB will be good?
I would be a good start :) You may be able to squeeze a bit more performance out of the MAX. But Pros are good to start with as the baseline
Thank you!!❤
I don’t think I can afford the Max but I will take ur advice getting the pro 14 with the baseline 36 ram 💖
Would you recommend getting the 16” M3 max - 16 core - 64GB? Do a lot of gaming, video editing and photo editing.
Yes but I would tell you to save your money go with the base Max and upped the RAM to 96 GB, that would be a more compelling option to me
@@ArtIsRight why the base 14 core but not the 16 core?
This video helped me a lot! Thank you so much for this amazing work! I will be ordering the base M3 Max 14" with 1TB SSD and 36GB RAM! Again, thanks!!
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Why not 48?
@@Medvedi123 the base M3 Max doesn’t come with 48GB, either 36GB or 96GB. I can get the maxed out M3 Max to get 48GB, but this will cost me 600€ extra where I live, which is for me not really worth it. I bought the exact configuration I wrote above in November, and I‘m super happy with it so far! No issues or what so ever!
@@MohamadHajuj thank for your answer
@@MohamadHajujcan I ask what work you do in that
Thank you fore great, detailed review of the Apple ARM CPUs lineup. I'm just wondering between two options, I'll super glad and grateful if you will help me to decide :) Option A M3 Max - 16‑core CPU, 40‑core GPU with 64GB RAM or Option B M3 MAX - 14‑core CPU, 30‑core GPU but with 96 GB RAM The same price and I'm thinking what to do. My main work is combining Photoshop, Illustrator, Cinema 4D, Indesign, Lightroom, After Effects and Premiere Pro :) and I like heavy files. Thanks 🙏
B more Ram is better, the core count will give you little
Thank you very much for your advice 🙏@@ArtIsRight
Feels like a silly question but I can't find the information. I'm new to Lightroom (only just upgraded from Aperture!). I don't know whether I have Lightroom CC or Lightroom Classic. I go to "about" in the app and it doesn't specific. Just says "Adobe Lightroom" on the app in Mac finder and the dock. It's part of Adobe creative cloud though and most of my photos are stored in the cloud so that makes it CC right? Thanks for any help offered.
Look at the version name, Lightroom CC is v7 and Lightroom Classic is 13.0.1 or higher.
@@ArtIsRight thanks Art! That helped - I was on 6.5 so I guess CC. And didn't know there was a new version so updating now. Thanks for your great videos, helped me to choose a base model M3 Max for my photography. RAM is harder to decide on but sounds like 36GB is enough for me - lots of Lightroom work alongside all the other things like mulptiple tabs, youtube, spotify open etc etc. Looking forward to it!
Is it possible to test AI algorithms for video like the ones on Topaz Video AI those use the GPU heavily
We'll see
The test I'm wanting on is the 14" Max Base compared to top end 14" Max . Not just performance but heat and fan noise.
Same here my friend. I bought a 14" Max base model (14 core, 36GB RAM, 30 GPU Cores, 1TB SSD). Ships Thursday!
@@nottoxicD2 I wanted to upgrade the memory so I ordered the top end 64GB, getting it next week. Will return if it's loud and hot.
Good luck! Hope you like it. My buddy brought over his top-end M3 Pro 14" last week and it was pretty great. I'm coming from an M1 Max Mac Studio base model. Liked the performance jump with M3 and the idea of taking my computer on the go. @@Joe_Brig
@@nottoxicD2 same here, trading in my M1 Studio. It has an annoying whine sound with the always on fan. The MacBook should be silent when not stressed.
Just got my space black base M3 max 1 TB today!!! In stock at 3/4 local apple stores in Houston Tx
I have to immediately click Subscribe and Like buttons for you! Thank you for your video.
Awesome, thank you!
Very thorough review with nearly all the info I was after! Thanks for all the due diligence here. It would be nice to see the performance gap between a binned 14 and binned 16 to see if the thermal issues are as severe as on the full versions.
minor at most
On a different video I saw a 3 degree lower max temp on the 16 compared to the 14
26:07 This is the Answer I'm looking for. Base M3 Max + (14" / 16")? You did it. Thank you.
Thanks!
Nowadays more and more people are engaged in video, could you compare these two models in the Davinci Resolve and Adobe Premiere Pro programs
when it comes to exporting the same, they all use Apple Encoder / Decoder Engine
Coming from a 2016 MacBook Pro i7 that slowes down in some tasks slowly. I want an upgrade. I don’t do heavy graphic things but from time to time I’m using Final Cut to edit 4k60 hdr videoclips or edit pictures for flyers or online content. I don’t know if I should spend extra 500 bucks on the base M3 Max or take just the M3 Pro. I guess the power of the M3 Pro is enough.. but since I use my MacBook for 5 - 6 years, I guess spending the extra bucks isn’t a complete waste of money. Plus the M3 Max doesn’t only have more graphic power but comes with 300 instead of 150gb/s storage bandwidth (but I don’t know if that makes a noticeable difference with the things I do?!). M3 Pro or base M3 Max?
Same question
I was considering the M3 Pro but decided to get the M3 Max. For $500 extra bucks, you get a beast with more performance core CPU, double GPU, RAM and more than double the bandwidth. I intend to use my M3 Max for many years and I believe future apps will be more demanding and requiring better performing Mac.
@@zenscape Thanks for your thoughts. Any thoughts about the batterylife? Do you know the difference between both?
If you don't do this for a living and day in day out then the Pro is more than mighty.
I really like the fact you mention “scrubbing thru the timeline and adding effects” I can care less how long the exports take honestly. Like why do all these KZheadrs focus on the exports
easy to quantify metric
so for software engineering (web dev)and livestreamer (sometimes). It doesn't make a big deal using M3 Max base and it's updated. Am I right?
Yup
Thank you for your instant response. Gonna watch all your previous video. I found them both informative and relaxing@@ArtIsRight
Thank you!
Thanks for this amazing review, you saved me 810 euros :D
Glad I could help!
So happy with my m3max base.
Nice
this was so helpful !! still on the fence between the M3M 14 and M3M 16 tho...C1 all day every day...mostly b/c 36 vs 48GB RAM... "PhaseOne mentions that RAM (not GPU, not CPU) is important in Preview Generation and the results support this. "
also curious if any OS and Software updates makes better use of the infrastructure several months in...
36 vs 48 will do very little in C1
To the second question, no, it was not optimized 4 years ago for the M1 and still is not now
@@ArtIsRight amazing - thanks for getting back, I was going to LIKE your reply, but I kind of dont like that nOTHING has happened in 4 years. that is insane. you're the best !!
@@ArtIsRight obvs not 14 vs 16 inch, I mean m3m 14c vs 16c...sorry...
No one has done an M1 Max vs. M3 Pro yet, do you think you could touch on that specifically? You can get a used/refurb M1 Max for around the same price as an M3 Pro so those looking to upgrade are probably eyeing up those options.
The compilation charts have those numbers in the line up already.
@@ArtIsRight Your breakdown is by far the most comprehensive on KZhead and I am thankful for the time you have taken in producing the video. From what you have said, I gather that you would you go with the M1 Max?
Went from an M2 Pro 14" to an M3 Max 16" Base and it's been quite worth it in my opinion, especially in battery performance.
I'm debating between the 16" M3 Pro, M3 Max 14/30 and the 16/40 but battery life is something playing on my mind. What battery life are you seeing on average between charges? Also, are you pushing the laptop quite a lot or general productivity work? Thanks in advance!
larger battery
This video is simply AMAZING! I went from the top end i9 Macbook pro which I thought was going to be amazing but thanks to the terrible thermals was one of the worse Mac computer I ever bought! I then got the M1 Mac Mini and have been using that since the day it came out and its been a power horse but I noticed after the latest Adobe update that included some of the AI tools my M1 has been having some stuggeling issues and of course the ram is maxed out and paging so I decided to upgrade to the M3 Max base model and mother of God this thing is so darn fast it flys through everything I put at it, In fact I was actually thinking of returning the base model and getting the top tier model to help future proof me as I only upgrade every 3-5 years but I could not find ANYTHING on comparing the 2 Max models until I found this video! You have saved me $500! Its not worth the upgrade for seconds of time saving! Great video and thank you again!
Awesome!
Is it worthwhile to upgrade to the m3 max with 128Gb of ram from the M1 Max 64Gb when the only app I use most is safari? I still find great safari still runs out of ram regularly even with 64GB of memory.
nope, you don't need to upgrade at all.
@@ArtIsRight I’m guessing the time to upgrade is when safari browsing speed is doubled? Why is it that safari runs out of ram even with 64GB of memory? Pages keep reloading. I will admit that I have as many as 45 or more tabs open at a time. And thank you so much for the very speedy reply!
@@AndrewWong08I think it’s the way Apple considers their ram. It may be not the real use of ram. Sometimes, memory pressure color is a simple useful signal.
0:16 "The more you buy, the more you save" Jensen Huang 😁
one way of looking at it?
I want 64gb with max base for 3d work but there is 96gb do you think we can see that is future
due to SoC combo that is not possible. Not in the M3 generation anyways.
@@ArtIsRight I'm confused between 14inch 36 gb and 48 gb im a 3d sculpting artist what do you think i should go for
I'm running an intel model with 64gb of ram. Photoshop en FCP. Wil the max model with 36gb of ram be enough? Because i don't like the pricetag of 128gb.
Yes.
yes
Thanks
@@BranteImmink In fact, the ram will be more useful for 50+ gb files on photoshop, if not for panorama editing (+200mpx) which is already huge or importing and exporting on lightroom the ram won't matter (in any case 36 gb isn't a bottleneck for these tasks) it's the gpu and cpu that count as the graphs show. I really think that the M3 max 14 cpu 30 gpu 36 gb ram is the best value for money for this use.
Yeah
Should I buy a M3 Pro with 36 gb ram or just get the base M3 Max? Any thoughts?
Same dilemma here
depending on the need. Personally, if you have the budget, I would choose the Base M3 Max, one of the best all round SoC this cycle.
Great review. ArtIsRight is killing it with these product reviews. At this point, he could review a dvd player and I would watch it to enjoy the thoughtful comparisons and pleasant presentation. For myself, I ordered the 14" MBP stock base Max3. When I considered similar specs with the 16", I couldn't justify the $300 increase even if I might salivate over the gorgeous real estate. I can get the same work done with the 14" and I'm usually docked to an external monitor anyway. The Max will give me the better ratio of performance cores I believe will benefit my workflow (e.g., making ample use of virtualization.). I'm not overly concerned with throttling and battery life, but I didn't want to push my luck on the 14", so the two 2 less active cores and 10 less gpu is seen with as a benefit. This tradeoff makes a lot of sense to me as the cost was getting into nose bleed territory and the base Max gets me 95% there what the unbridled Max would provide anyway.
totally
Please add DAVINCI Resolve and premiere Pro 8Bit 420 and 10bit 422
😀
Hey Mr Art? Should I call you Art? Is Art your name? Seem like it Mr Art, can you make a video to explain who need 4K and who might just need to shoot 1080p will be enough? Sometime I feel like companies try to market 4K to sell more latest devices and storages And can you check the Apple Silicons chip scan to count if even the top of each variation are still binned as you said or completely unbinned?
it all depends on the workflow and what the clients wants, who the client is etc
How much faster is the M3 128gb version compared with the 64gb version?
You mean Max? Look at the task that uses RAM, most benefit you'll see is PS. LRC pano merge, you won't see much. Other apps, are going to be nil
thx finally , i was waiting for this comparison VS the 2 M3 max Soc , I wish you would test gaming, and 3D apps like Blender and Maya , cos i feel like differences will be there more ... cos i think Photo apps or video editing apps will not take advantage of the 10 extra GPU Cores of the top end M3 max ...
Glad this helps
I know it would be a lot of work but could you add davinci resolve (video editing) to the tests? It is much more popular than final cut. 100% of films use davinci resolve (at least to colour grade) and given that they have a free version (and the paid version is cheap), most young creators and many established ones are using davinci resolve.
we shall see
To anyone looking at the “Max” chip, really think about if you need it or not. I bought an M1 Max 16 inch MacBook over 2 years ago and it is STILL overkill for my needs. I could have just gotten the 16 with a pro chip, and I would have never noticed. I will say though, if you’re dealing with VM software such as parallels, make sure you get at least 32gb ram. You’ll thank me later
MAX is mostly for video, but photo can benefit as well. This is where one would buy this SoC based on need and workflow.