I am just always so blown away by Bernie’s methodical and yet lighting fast diagnostics, watching Bernie makes me feel inadequate. Thanks Bernie for yet another great educational video..
@davidsinclair50042 жыл бұрын
Every video I’ve seen from you is methodical and fundamentally gold! Thanks for spreading your knowledge, people like you make the whole industry better!
@BigDogDiagnostics Жыл бұрын
One of the best in the game as a young tech definitely following closely
@theblacksheep8473 Жыл бұрын
So passionate about this stuff, the man makes himself cough. Like a peacher about fuel trims. Love it!
@scaracci24 Жыл бұрын
What a great understanding. I enjoyed this one a lot.
@mike-yp1ukАй бұрын
I LOVE THESE PRESENTATIONS. More please!!!
@michaelr6205 Жыл бұрын
Thank you Bernie you have helped me more than you will ever know .
@orville583 жыл бұрын
Great video, great knowledge and great passion!
@swordofthelord71044 жыл бұрын
I watched this during the live webinar. Watched again here. Thanks for the great info. Cheers...
@IAMNOSLEEP4 жыл бұрын
Love the passion, Bernie! Fantastic seminar! Question on VE: the theoretical mass air flow (g/sec) = [inlet air density (g/L) x Displacement (L) x RPM (1/min)/2/60 (sec/min)]. For a 3.4L engine at 800rpm idle I get 9.7g/sec. Why is this not closer to the rule of thumb 3.4g/sec? Inlet air density I assume is 1.28g/L x 1/3 since the intake manifold pressure at idle is roughly 1/3 of atmosphere...
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics3 жыл бұрын
I'm studying this in depth to help diagnose fuel trim/lean problems now. Dry Air density at sea level 77 deg F is 1.184 g/L. (A penny is 2.5g for reference) Density is proportional to absolute pressure (MAP). It also depends on absolute Temperature, and to a lesser extent humidity. (search for Air Density Calculator) Pressure at sea level is 101.325 kpa, so you can think of a kpa MAP reading as a percentage of pressure and therefore density. So at an idle MAP of 26 kpa, air density is 26% of 1.184 = 0.308 g/L You must also take into account Volumetric Efficency (VE) of an engine which also varies greatly with RPM and MAP from about 60% to 90% +/-. (search for VE table) The RPM-VE relationship has to do with resonant frequencies of the intake and exhaust pulses in the manifolds and tuning these (think of playing a trombone). Max VE is always at peak torque RPM where the engine breathes the best. I have been using this info to try to calculate MAF, from speed density and always come up 10-20% more than I am seeing from my MAF sensor...(I don't have a known good/bad MAF sensor). I suppose I could always just unplug the MAF and see what fuel trim tells me, but what fun would that be :-), and besides that won't tell me if i have a vacuum leak or bad MAF. I was surprised at the MAP data when increasing RPM in Park when I graphed MAP, MAF, RPM, and Calculated LOAD, but then after thinking about it, it made sense. 27-->21-->24 Fuel consumption is MAF/14.7 while properly working O2 sensors are switching, and 12.7 under fuel enrichment at max power. Fuel density is 0.75 g/cc (75% of water). There are 231 cubic inches in a gallon, and 2.54^3 cc in a cubic inch.
@kerryb26893 жыл бұрын
Nice Question Ivan! I guess is because we have to consider ground elevation and air temperature into the calculations for proper air density. I recently found this channel, Bernie is awesome! Can't believe is still for free!
@sinegra303 жыл бұрын
@@sinegra30 Yeah Bernie is in a league of his own...the mad scientist of auto diagnostics :)
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics3 жыл бұрын
Ivan, the reason it is not closer to the rule of thumb, is because of the throttle plate, it is closed at idle. An engine at idle has a VE of 20% ish...The down and dirty formula I like is this (RPM/60) X (DISPl./2). So with your 3.4L engine at 800 rpm you get 22.7 g/s, BUT the engine is only 20% efficient therefore 22.7 - (22.7 X 0.8) = 4.5 g/s. But that 20% is also a rule of thumb. Theoretical Airflow for our use in diagnostics is best used at high engine rpms where we expect VE's of 80+%. I know it's been a year, hope this helps.
@paulpaquette19612 жыл бұрын
This is SOLID GOLD!
@Joe.O_6233 жыл бұрын
Great explanation. I just replaced a MAF on my Toyota, getting code for lean on both banks. I only figured it was the MAF after running a 3 drive cycle procedure based on a Service Bulletin and seeing that the final MAF reading (with ignition on but engine off) was over the spec limit. New MAF did the trick.
@bme74916 ай бұрын
Great video but would love to hear the question and answers as well. Thank you for what you do!
@malibuStroker2 жыл бұрын
Incredible lecture. Thank you
@jeffgoetz7919Ай бұрын
Thank you for making this video. Great education!! Thanks again.
@williamj19693 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing this class Bernie , very informative .
@theautomotivedoctormr.wils92174 жыл бұрын
Great case studies; thank you for sharing.
@thisisausername12653 жыл бұрын
Around the 51 min. mark he speaks of the MAF voltage being low on this KIA. The "rule of thumb" measurement of 2.7v to 2.8v that he uses I 100% agree with, Just to point out this is a good number for a 6 CYLINDER engine... A 4 CYLINDER engine "rule of thumb" in my experience is 2.2V to 2.4V on the MAF testing. Great video as always.
@CartersDiagnostics3 жыл бұрын
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@sunjoomoontube Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much. Interesting!. God bless you
@romanjaspe417211 ай бұрын
Bernie great explanation. Can’t wait to watch the rest of your videos even the ones you have to subscribe to. Thanks so much for sharing your knowledge. Artie
@arthurfricchione81193 жыл бұрын
full comand of the facts. brilliant job.
@linxstudent16824 жыл бұрын
I love this! Thank you for making this video!
@RAVETOR3 жыл бұрын
New subscriber. Thank you.for taking the time to make these videos and share your knowledge.
@royarena62322 жыл бұрын
thank you sooo much for your videos. they are priceless
@frankyv59994 жыл бұрын
Super video :) from Denmark
@carstengotfredsen1604 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much .you are the man
@marvingutierrez12173 жыл бұрын
EXCELLENT PRESENTATION.
@hightttech2 жыл бұрын
Wow so fuel trim is the computer adding a+ or- % air rather than fuel??? I had this wrong for years.
@rdaleyj18 ай бұрын
I love it, thanks!
@Savagetech96 Жыл бұрын
Awesome
@sweetjordan48683 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@juergenscholl28434 жыл бұрын
Automotive Science at its best! 👍🥇🎯🔎💡🔬
@proudofthe32113 жыл бұрын
Bad mechanic = parts changer, good mechanic = reverse engineer.... you have to watch entire video to understand
@magrisers9 ай бұрын
Master class
@victorgonza45282 жыл бұрын
How can I find the teorethical VE? The red line that he uses to compare with the MAF calculation.
@gearstil Жыл бұрын
that's a proprietary algorithm encrypted inside the ats scan tool
@ShitWrangler Жыл бұрын
Actually I just found out Bernie got a lot of his materials from the Bosch Automotive Handbook and just transferred the values into his tool. Smart. Been on a youtube fuel trim rampage and one of the other channels revealed his secrets
@ShitWrangler Жыл бұрын
What would be considered a low VE number? Thanks
@jhauna14 жыл бұрын
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@timm59703 жыл бұрын
Hello,after Iam watching your video now I have a question in my mindthat I would like to ask you..in a 2.4 petrol engine at idle how could I get the right mass air flow (grams/sec) of an engine... Thanks .iam here in Darwin
@nestorsuva67002 жыл бұрын
It’s usually 2.4 Liter engine should be 2.40 grams per second that a rule of thumb to overcome the parasadic loss of the motor any questions feel free to ask
@gustavomartinez3245 ай бұрын
U multiply it by 40 for a wide open throttle give u a estimate of how the engine is breathing VE volumetric efficiency
@gustavomartinez3245 ай бұрын
Thanks for the good information
@nestorsuva67005 ай бұрын
@@nestorsuva6700 no problem 🫡
@gustavomartinez3245 ай бұрын
The video is great, but I don't understand (21:00) the calculation. Let's imagine we have four cylinders engine - each revolution of the engine has TWO intake strokes. So if the engine produces 13,3 RPS, there would be 13,3 times 2 equal 26,6 Intake Strokes Per Second. In video we have 8 cylinders engine and only 3,33 ISPS. May be I haven't understood - English isn't my home language.
@alexlee4573 Жыл бұрын
Wow - amazing example of how to needlessly complicate the explanation of principles, that aren’t nearly as complex as all of this has been made to sound.
@user-qn6yt3zx3w2 жыл бұрын
Subtítulos en español sería grandioso 🔧🔩🔧🔩
@orlandocortes80224 жыл бұрын
Thanks a ron
@shakeelsss4 ай бұрын
As a speaker, I feel he had a 3 hour lecture and was told condense it to one hour, so he just talked as fast as he could.
@molenz19603 жыл бұрын
Estoy interesado,necesitaría subtítulos en español
@orlandocortes80223 жыл бұрын
youtube tiene subtitulos en espanol para ti guey
@timm59703 жыл бұрын
What occurs to me is that if the ALPHA N works, why are MAF sensors and MAP necessary in the first place. The car makers keeps making things more and more complicated every year.
@carlodonnell1462 жыл бұрын
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@robertmcdonald97152 жыл бұрын
Hot rod bullshit -- Burnie Thompson
@screamingflat6 Жыл бұрын
Your math is a little wonky. 1 US gallon (not 1pound) = 3785 cc. 46 lbs./hr. = 7.74 cc/sec. = 464.3 cc/min..
@fascistpedant7582 жыл бұрын
All your injector talk is irrelevant until you put it into an "engine", not a motor! Motor this, motor that, ain't none of ya replaced a windshield wiper engine! have you? How about a power window engine? Did ya replace one yet? No? An engine deals with combustion, regardless of internal or external. A motor is electrical, always! Both can provide a motive force, but only one runs on fuel. I feel we are too far past the time for kindness, it's time you and your kind start to get it right! It's not a motor, it's an engine. It's not an engine, it's a motor..... Learn the difference and teach it correctly!
@Finite-Tuning3 жыл бұрын
do you just regurgitate nonsense you read on facebook and the internet? go look up the actual definition for a motor on google (it'll take you 3 seconds, promise) and get back to us. start thinking for yourself instead of going with whatever fresh meme is circulating. hint: google's definition includes pictures of engines
@MrBeefsnorkel3 жыл бұрын
@@MrBeefsnorkel: Clearly you need to be properly schooled since you were obviously taught by the general ignorant populous. They have it wrong and so do you! Keep on regurgitating a lie if you like, but I'll keep on telling the truth the way it actually is!
@Finite-Tuning3 жыл бұрын
It must kill you when registering your car at the D "M" V. I'll bet you would never buy a "motor"cycle or have any kind of "motor"sports equipment.
@lorenfrank80883 жыл бұрын
Bro, maybe you are not aware that Bernie Thompson is probably one of the most respected and knowledgeable people in the United States at what he does. I just checked out your videos on reheating pizza on the barbecue grill and snowblower review and they kinda sucked.
This man cant stop producing straight FIRE !
I am just always so blown away by Bernie’s methodical and yet lighting fast diagnostics, watching Bernie makes me feel inadequate. Thanks Bernie for yet another great educational video..
Every video I’ve seen from you is methodical and fundamentally gold! Thanks for spreading your knowledge, people like you make the whole industry better!
One of the best in the game as a young tech definitely following closely
So passionate about this stuff, the man makes himself cough. Like a peacher about fuel trims. Love it!
What a great understanding. I enjoyed this one a lot.
I LOVE THESE PRESENTATIONS. More please!!!
Thank you Bernie you have helped me more than you will ever know .
Great video, great knowledge and great passion!
I watched this during the live webinar. Watched again here. Thanks for the great info. Cheers...
Love the passion, Bernie! Fantastic seminar! Question on VE: the theoretical mass air flow (g/sec) = [inlet air density (g/L) x Displacement (L) x RPM (1/min)/2/60 (sec/min)]. For a 3.4L engine at 800rpm idle I get 9.7g/sec. Why is this not closer to the rule of thumb 3.4g/sec? Inlet air density I assume is 1.28g/L x 1/3 since the intake manifold pressure at idle is roughly 1/3 of atmosphere...
I'm studying this in depth to help diagnose fuel trim/lean problems now. Dry Air density at sea level 77 deg F is 1.184 g/L. (A penny is 2.5g for reference) Density is proportional to absolute pressure (MAP). It also depends on absolute Temperature, and to a lesser extent humidity. (search for Air Density Calculator) Pressure at sea level is 101.325 kpa, so you can think of a kpa MAP reading as a percentage of pressure and therefore density. So at an idle MAP of 26 kpa, air density is 26% of 1.184 = 0.308 g/L You must also take into account Volumetric Efficency (VE) of an engine which also varies greatly with RPM and MAP from about 60% to 90% +/-. (search for VE table) The RPM-VE relationship has to do with resonant frequencies of the intake and exhaust pulses in the manifolds and tuning these (think of playing a trombone). Max VE is always at peak torque RPM where the engine breathes the best. I have been using this info to try to calculate MAF, from speed density and always come up 10-20% more than I am seeing from my MAF sensor...(I don't have a known good/bad MAF sensor). I suppose I could always just unplug the MAF and see what fuel trim tells me, but what fun would that be :-), and besides that won't tell me if i have a vacuum leak or bad MAF. I was surprised at the MAP data when increasing RPM in Park when I graphed MAP, MAF, RPM, and Calculated LOAD, but then after thinking about it, it made sense. 27-->21-->24 Fuel consumption is MAF/14.7 while properly working O2 sensors are switching, and 12.7 under fuel enrichment at max power. Fuel density is 0.75 g/cc (75% of water). There are 231 cubic inches in a gallon, and 2.54^3 cc in a cubic inch.
Nice Question Ivan! I guess is because we have to consider ground elevation and air temperature into the calculations for proper air density. I recently found this channel, Bernie is awesome! Can't believe is still for free!
@@sinegra30 Yeah Bernie is in a league of his own...the mad scientist of auto diagnostics :)
Ivan, the reason it is not closer to the rule of thumb, is because of the throttle plate, it is closed at idle. An engine at idle has a VE of 20% ish...The down and dirty formula I like is this (RPM/60) X (DISPl./2). So with your 3.4L engine at 800 rpm you get 22.7 g/s, BUT the engine is only 20% efficient therefore 22.7 - (22.7 X 0.8) = 4.5 g/s. But that 20% is also a rule of thumb. Theoretical Airflow for our use in diagnostics is best used at high engine rpms where we expect VE's of 80+%. I know it's been a year, hope this helps.
This is SOLID GOLD!
Great explanation. I just replaced a MAF on my Toyota, getting code for lean on both banks. I only figured it was the MAF after running a 3 drive cycle procedure based on a Service Bulletin and seeing that the final MAF reading (with ignition on but engine off) was over the spec limit. New MAF did the trick.
Great video but would love to hear the question and answers as well. Thank you for what you do!
Incredible lecture. Thank you
Thank you for making this video. Great education!! Thanks again.
Thanks for sharing this class Bernie , very informative .
Great case studies; thank you for sharing.
Around the 51 min. mark he speaks of the MAF voltage being low on this KIA. The "rule of thumb" measurement of 2.7v to 2.8v that he uses I 100% agree with, Just to point out this is a good number for a 6 CYLINDER engine... A 4 CYLINDER engine "rule of thumb" in my experience is 2.2V to 2.4V on the MAF testing. Great video as always.
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Thanks so much. Interesting!. God bless you
Bernie great explanation. Can’t wait to watch the rest of your videos even the ones you have to subscribe to. Thanks so much for sharing your knowledge. Artie
full comand of the facts. brilliant job.
I love this! Thank you for making this video!
New subscriber. Thank you.for taking the time to make these videos and share your knowledge.
thank you sooo much for your videos. they are priceless
Super video :) from Denmark
Thank you so much .you are the man
EXCELLENT PRESENTATION.
Wow so fuel trim is the computer adding a+ or- % air rather than fuel??? I had this wrong for years.
I love it, thanks!
Awesome
Thank you!
Automotive Science at its best! 👍🥇🎯🔎💡🔬
Bad mechanic = parts changer, good mechanic = reverse engineer.... you have to watch entire video to understand
Master class
How can I find the teorethical VE? The red line that he uses to compare with the MAF calculation.
that's a proprietary algorithm encrypted inside the ats scan tool
Actually I just found out Bernie got a lot of his materials from the Bosch Automotive Handbook and just transferred the values into his tool. Smart. Been on a youtube fuel trim rampage and one of the other channels revealed his secrets
What would be considered a low VE number? Thanks
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Hello,after Iam watching your video now I have a question in my mindthat I would like to ask you..in a 2.4 petrol engine at idle how could I get the right mass air flow (grams/sec) of an engine... Thanks .iam here in Darwin
It’s usually 2.4 Liter engine should be 2.40 grams per second that a rule of thumb to overcome the parasadic loss of the motor any questions feel free to ask
U multiply it by 40 for a wide open throttle give u a estimate of how the engine is breathing VE volumetric efficiency
Thanks for the good information
@@nestorsuva6700 no problem 🫡
The video is great, but I don't understand (21:00) the calculation. Let's imagine we have four cylinders engine - each revolution of the engine has TWO intake strokes. So if the engine produces 13,3 RPS, there would be 13,3 times 2 equal 26,6 Intake Strokes Per Second. In video we have 8 cylinders engine and only 3,33 ISPS. May be I haven't understood - English isn't my home language.
Wow - amazing example of how to needlessly complicate the explanation of principles, that aren’t nearly as complex as all of this has been made to sound.
Subtítulos en español sería grandioso 🔧🔩🔧🔩
Thanks a ron
As a speaker, I feel he had a 3 hour lecture and was told condense it to one hour, so he just talked as fast as he could.
Estoy interesado,necesitaría subtítulos en español
youtube tiene subtitulos en espanol para ti guey
What occurs to me is that if the ALPHA N works, why are MAF sensors and MAP necessary in the first place. The car makers keeps making things more and more complicated every year.
8>
Hot rod bullshit -- Burnie Thompson
Your math is a little wonky. 1 US gallon (not 1pound) = 3785 cc. 46 lbs./hr. = 7.74 cc/sec. = 464.3 cc/min..
All your injector talk is irrelevant until you put it into an "engine", not a motor! Motor this, motor that, ain't none of ya replaced a windshield wiper engine! have you? How about a power window engine? Did ya replace one yet? No? An engine deals with combustion, regardless of internal or external. A motor is electrical, always! Both can provide a motive force, but only one runs on fuel. I feel we are too far past the time for kindness, it's time you and your kind start to get it right! It's not a motor, it's an engine. It's not an engine, it's a motor..... Learn the difference and teach it correctly!
do you just regurgitate nonsense you read on facebook and the internet? go look up the actual definition for a motor on google (it'll take you 3 seconds, promise) and get back to us. start thinking for yourself instead of going with whatever fresh meme is circulating. hint: google's definition includes pictures of engines
@@MrBeefsnorkel: Clearly you need to be properly schooled since you were obviously taught by the general ignorant populous. They have it wrong and so do you! Keep on regurgitating a lie if you like, but I'll keep on telling the truth the way it actually is!
It must kill you when registering your car at the D "M" V. I'll bet you would never buy a "motor"cycle or have any kind of "motor"sports equipment.
Bro, maybe you are not aware that Bernie Thompson is probably one of the most respected and knowledgeable people in the United States at what he does. I just checked out your videos on reheating pizza on the barbecue grill and snowblower review and they kinda sucked.
@@Joe.O_623 And yet I'm still not wrong!