This Gun Aint Worth A Crap | Springfield Echelon Review
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Springfield Echelon Review
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I have that gun and it works flawlessly. I don’t know how you manage to have so many problems.
It's because he if slamming the magazines and expecting that to be a correct reloading method, it is not. This is why smith and Wesson redesigned the slide stop on their M&P 2.0 series.
I think the Manufacturing of that new design just isn't quite there yet. Still a pretty new gun being tested on the public basically. I think they will iron it out at Springfield. The prodigy has gotten a lot better it seems out of the box.
I second this, I've owned my for 3 months now, 800+ rounds, no malfunctions or issues.
@marklindner383 so you are suggesting a duty gun that might be used in a life and death situation should only be handled very delicately?
@@paultoth7853here we go…..SLAMMING A MAG IN A GUN CAN CAUSE DAMGE…simple sertain platforms are definitely more sensitive but it’s ignorant to slam mags into guns doing more harm than good just how it is
The echelon I have has probably 5k rounds through it and it’s been 100% reliable. Y’all are the first I’ve seen have any trouble from one besides the magazine extensions but that’s because of incorrect installation
several videos out there of them jamming.... failure to feed... and of course the mags coming apart while firing..... just dig...... Same with the new FN reflex... that thing is a pile of crap also.
It seems when he was doing those drills it was 1 bullet in the magazine in the gun and 1 bullet in the holstered magazine… just a thought but it could have been slamming home the mag with 1 bullet either off set the bullet or the 1 bullet sliding forward a little if it’s the smaller 9mms enough that it’s forward in the mag and not in the normal place and shifted forward enough to cause a small issue with seating.. I would be shocked if the mag he went to in the mag change had more rounds or the bigger size 9mm that it would happen… but maybe he’s conserving ammo lol… lastly whenever someone does a video showing a malfunction and has no clue why it is happening… we’ll mostly it’s a user error other wise anyone with sufficient gun knowledge would understand why it’s occurring and then also try a few different methods to incur the same malfunction… it seems to happen the same way everytime which would indicate it was the user or ammo (size) or in a 1 round mag change which nobody would ever do unless you have no ammo Lastly if you use a magazine as intended and understand how things work you would be able to avoid what you just saw
I have a new Glock 30s with the same type of issue. It’s going back to Glock.
I was about to say the exact same thing
@@AverageGIJoeOutdoors i can't find anything else besides magazine extension issue?
I've ran the hell out of mine . Not one problem
Same here. Bout 1500 rds to date, zero malfunctions.
I’ve seen at least 100 reviews about the Echelon and the only problem that most have been magazine related, and more specifically that 20 round falling apart due to the base plate being assembled incorrectly. This is the first time I have seen this issue. Interesting. Mine has been 100% so far. Will have to research further.
For some reason, the 20 rd mags were sent out with the base plates installed incorrectly. That is a qc issue that springfield needs to fix. After the mag is fixed, the echelon is head and shoulders better than any factory glock.
I have the echelon also. Yes the mag has some issues but I haven’t had any hangups like this video demonstration. Overall, i am pleased with it. Put over 1k rounds through and no problems while operating. The mag though, before operation did have that hang up but i think its the spring inside for sure. Going to order new mags from the mag shack and see if that works?
I’ve owned my Echelon for 3 months. I ve run 1000ish rounds and three 3 hour serious training sessions, and never had your problems or any problems. Sorry you have issues. I love mine. And I’m a Glock fanboy.
I have several hundred rounds through mine and have experienced none of the issues you are referring to.
it's mag related. Installation error.
I’m surprised to see the issues with the Echelon. I have one and I’ve never experienced any issues but I can understand how someone could feel that way if they had issues like that.
I have one as well never had a problem.
Me either The funny thing is if they didn’t have good customer service and warranty(prodigy shows that) folks will trip bout that…yea when u buy something u want it working but it’s a man made item in its first run just send it back free of cost or cry about it n let it collect dust or listen to joe down the roads home remedies and void the warranty 🤷🏾♂️ it’s important for them to get the data from fixing to help make them right and fix returns faster
I have one with issues sent in for warranty. They didn’t fix it now can’t get them to respond to me.
BS
Probably one of the best comments I've seen. I agree, in his case, I wouldn't trust my life to it. I ordered an Echelon today so we'll see how it runs. If I have issues it will find a new home.
I'm in my 79's, woman & I just Love this channel. I've learned so much! Been shooting for yrs but never satisfied that I know enough. Great presentation 👍🇺🇲
LOL🤣. Not as old as I posted...60's NOT 79's....I have tears running down my legs!!!!!🤣🤣🤣
Echelon is a wonderful pistol. I have one and it's been excellent. It has the best sights and best grip of any pistol.
I have watched every one of your videos Blake! I appreciate your no nonsense way about you n honest opinion makes a difference with your background. Thank you three of seven.
No nonsense or just plain ignorant.
I have put a lot of rounds through my echelon. Many drills and never a problem. I know several people that had this pistol before I bought mine. I’ve never heard of any of them having problems. One guy has around 5000 rounds through his as an instructor. He said it is the most reliable gun he has ever owned. Not dismissing your issues. I’ve seen berettas, czs, fns, glocks, and others that wouldn’t shoot brand new out of the box. They all have issues from time to time. That’s why you always test them.
It’s a piece of shit that cannot be trusted as anything more than a range toy
I own one and am 600 rounds in about 2 months time I’ve had zero issues.
This is the first video I've seen with so many malfunctions. Great review. I have 500+ rounds out of my Echelon with no issues. Keep it up y'all.
They were forced failures operator error intentionally induced
@@peterbrosseau4458 lol...ok...
Watching this has me intrigued. I pulled my Echelon out and wanted to replicate this issue. What I found is if you have the slide back as chili did and inserted the magazine with normal force it wouldn't chamber a round. When I inserted the magazine with a little force it would chamber a round every time. Could it be that during the mag change he's not inserting it with enough force to click/chamber a round? When you "slap" the mag in with force it is chambered every time.
The slide pulls to chamber looked a little bit like half assing it. I would work on breaking it in a little bit before leveling a verdict. Especially if it's something you're going to carry.
from watching the video, when the rounds didn't chamber, it appeared that you didn't seat the mag. Also, when racking the slide, do it with your palm down, you will get more muscle on the slide and you are able to pull it to the rear fully. Reaching over the top you don't get as much muscle on the slide and can short stroke it.
the first few thousand magazines that came out had a abnormally thick anodizing that hung up the nose of the rounds. springfield has since solved the issue. have north of 8k rounds through my echelon with no hicups. its been a solid pistol. also, if i close my eyes and listen to the video, i couldnt tell it wasnt chads voice!
I couldn't find anything online about this. Did customer service tell you that over the phone? I actually also had this issue on rare occasion in the first 1.2k or so rounds. It only occured when slamming mags in super vigorously. Now, north of 3k the issues cannot be replicated with any of my mags, neither with 115gr or 124gr. Even if I beat it like it owes me money. Overall love the gun. 100% a keeper. I shoot it better than my ported 34. I hope it takes off in popularity. I got the large aggressive grip module and it changed the gun entirely for me.
The nose dive first round is because he is jamming it in there super hard, that causes the magazine to over insert and what happens is that first round literally slams into your ejector and smashes the round down nose first into the magazine then he drops the slide and boom malfunction, watch careful when he doesn't slam it home like a crayon eating marine it works great, this is a people problem not a gun malfunction problem some people are too ignorant to get out of their own way
You, sir, have it correct. The issue becomes exacerbated with longer OAL rounds, like 124gr and especially 147gr. I have 3k in my Echelon and actually did notice this issue after it was very dirty and I was banking on the slide slamming home upon a firm mag insertion. I have personally seen this happen with a couple of Glocks too.
It's also hilariously ironic that the best friend of a navy seal doesn't know this, I'm honestly baffled by this but oh well
A carry or duty pistol should not have weak points like that
@@cyma-zw2ttwhen it clicks it’s seated what’s the point of slamming it? U trying to lift the damn slide off the gun? Gun not gone fail so had to do ignorant tactics to cause issues
@@watchyoutube9553 I don’t slam it. But u might, for whatever reason, be in a situation where your adrenaline is high and you slam the mag in while reloading. Boom malfunction. Never had this problem with a Glock or Canik
That is a lot of problems, I did see the other day one issue people were having was installing a metal clip on the bottom of the mag plate, some were coming from the factory installed backwards, after fixing that issue by turning it it fixed the issues they were having
I don't have a ton of time behind either trigger, after all, ammo ain't free. But both my Hellcat Pro and my XDs Mod2 45 are so far trouble free.
Are you sure the malfunctions weren’t caused by operator error? The reloads looked a little janky to me. I would try just using the slide release or be smoother with the slide.
Yep slide release or slingshot the slide. No pistol I know was intended for the magazine to be slammed into it in order to chamber a round.
Look like he closed the slide at the same time he inserted the magazine, then said the gun didn't chamber the round. Of course it won't , if you do both at the same time you closed the slide before the round was ready to chamber.
Honest Outlaw beat the crap out of his and it was extremely tough and reliable.
I absolutely love my Echelon. I have roughly 750 rounds through it. Super comfortable to shoot and zero reliability issues. I carry mine appendix. I’m 6’3”. That helps .
Wow! I have one as well no operational issues at all. Had it a couple months and About 2000 rounds through it. Flawless. 🤷🏻♂️
That’s crazy. I literally just bought one and just got back from the range and put 200 rounds through it and didn’t have one malfunction. I’m a Glock fan but thought I’d try something else for a change. I like the gun pretty well but it would never replace my Glock.
I'll take that Echelon off your hands.
I know right! maybe user error. oh I get it he is a Glock fan boy!
I appreciate an honest review. Thank you for doing what you do.
This Echelon is one of the best guns I’ve owned. Never had any issues with mine. I tried CZ, Sig, and even HK guns and they were just crap… I picked up the echelon and I was stunned how well this gun holds up. Just as smooth as the Beretta 92 FS and just as good as the Glock 19 or Glock 17.
I know I’m not hearing the CZ is just crap. Have you ever shot a pre pandemic Cz pistol?
@@itsTrixPlays he's never been in the same room with a CZ, clearly...
I have two echelon pistols, neither of which I have had an issue with reliability wise. The way you are doing reloads is you are slamming home the magazine and the slide goes forward. I am a LE firearms instructor and I guarantee that I shoot just as much as you if not more, especially with pistols. If the slide is locked to the rear and you go to reload either use the slide release/slide catch or “slingshot” the slide by pulling back on it and releasing. If you are having issues when you begin using a proper reloading technique then contact Springfield and get the issue fixed.
How would that cause the round to feed with its nose down exactly? There already been other substantiated issues with some of the magazines. He is not operating the slide incorrectly and you can see him sling shot the slide several times even so…
What brand holster are you using on that rig? Thanks ahead of time.
he making this up my echelon runs flawlessly out the box the only youtuber saying it’s bad it was a mag extension that people installed wrong that issue has been fixed don’t slam a company for clickbait springfield is amazing
Thanks for the honest review, Tech Guy
I left my Glocks for the Walther PDP. So far, so good.
Hopefully. Parts are hard to come by.
I got a PD version 🚔 PDP Compact 9mm, 2021. 1.0 version. Excellent gun. No misfires, no feeding issues. Used JHP, +P, FMJ. The newer 2.0 version 2023 era has a different rear optic plate design.
My Echelon is 100%. I love it. Almost sold it just because I have so many Glocks and Sigs, but holding it thus feel is so good.
I would keep your echelon, EVERY other reviewer says it is a good gun and has had no issues with the operation of the pistol. Look at honest outlaw reviews as an example. This kid just does not know how to reload and it shows. Just because you can slam a magazine into the weapon and the slide closes does not mean it was designed to be utilized as such.
So many Glocks and Sigs? Sell some of the extra guns good sir. Echelon is great. It’s modular so that’s a plus.
@@marklindner383 is the new m17 and m18 made to be slamfired?
I have 1200 rounds through mine. I had one light strike around the 1100 round mark. Not sure if it was ammo or the gun. Other than that it's been 100% for me.
Looks like the Gen 1 M&P premature slide release issue. It is why they extended the metal sub frame and added a detent to the 2.0 slide lock. The Gen 1 just had to much flex in the frame. Guys that really had a “positive or tactical” mag seating usually ended up dropping the slide without it picking a round up. As the guns got a higher round count on them they became even more sensitive and you could basically tap them on the side and the slide would drop. You can confirm by locking the slide back on an empty gun and striking the heel of the empty Magwell with your reload palm heel like your reloading. Most guns will drop the slide but you have to hit it just right with some pretty assertive force. If it’s sensitive like an old M&P it won’t take much of a bump. The other thing is the last round hold open on could only be half way engaging because the mag follower. If that’s the case then again your slide will release premature from a slight vibration or movement. Something to note. I’m a gunsmith. If a customer comes in with an issue with a gun I have to troubleshoot the issue or the customer or both. If I told the customer “I have the same gun and it’s ran flawless for 1200 rounds” that wouldn’t really work for them and it would just be awkward…..A single data point yes. It’s dynamic always with guns. Just because your Dodge Ram went 300k doesn’t mean that every Ram is a ringer. Also 4k on a modern full size polymer pistol is about the equivalent to your first oil change. Basically recoil spring replacement time. 40-50k rounds is comparable to 100k mile mark on a car/truck. With good maintenance intervals Glocks will go 80-100k rounds. 2.0 smiths 50-70k Sig’s people usually get rid of them after a year. XD&XDm about 15-20k before they start loosing pins/falling apart.
My Echelon has been flawless so far, and it feels great, is extremely well manufactured, and very accurate.
Whoa. And M&P 2.0 10mm drops mags and produces FTFs. The industry is going to hell in a handbasket.
All manufacturers have lemons but you must have gotten a rare one because the reviews have been pretty positive and I sell out of them as soon as I get them in and have not had any complaints they have very good triggers , great ergos and the optic mounting system is the best of any other that I have personally seen outside of a custom milled slide. I know they had some issues early on with the base plates coming off the mags. As I understand it that problem has been addressed. All the 1000rd reviews and “torture tests “ I’ve seen have been passed with flying colors. I have seen Glocks have bugs or outright failures on many occasions but they are still quality pistols. I’m a CZ fanboy but even they have some issues from time to time. Overall I think the Echelon is a quality pistol that has a lot of promise. We will have to see how it preforms over time.
Now that im living in Ohio i carry a duty sized pistol concealed most of the winter.
In Ohio also. 19 on duty. 19 off duty. Had to switch to a smaller light, but, it has a much better draw that way on both the duty holster and concealed.
you mentioned aim low I know ALL Springfields are sighted to have the top of the front post splitting the bullseye at 25 yards. Top half of bullseye above the front sight post. The dot is not what you put on target. Wondered how low you had to go.
Hey a common problem with speed reloading is letting the slide forward befor the mag is seeted try reloading slower. Make sure the mag is fully seeted and then release the slide.
I believe the slide automatically returns upon magazine insertion, don’t have the pistol so I don’t know for sure but that most likely is still the issue. Also could be a mag/spring issue where the nose of the rounds are angled downwards causing the hang up.
I agree. The way he is used to doing his reloads was the difference, and you can be mad about that, but to make isch bold claims about the firearm off such little shooting is insane in my opinion.
I conceal carry my Glock 19, is it bigger or heavier?
I have about 2500 rounds through mine with zero issues. Trigger is better now than at first but still not my favorite. But it’s accurate, reliable and reasonably priced at less than $500. I’m hoping they add a gray grip module option soon.
Thanks for the review, good information!
Just watched a 2000+ round review w/drops, mud, sand...not one malfunction.
Go back and observe your loading of the mag, also a couple of my friends had trouble with their thumb on slide release, may possibly be the mag lips, always the same mag??
I have the echelon and have had zero problems...
is it a fully loaded mag when youre getting the nose dive problem? if its not then youre probably slapping it in with enough force that the bullets in the mag bounce enough in the mag to cause the problem
I bought the echelon back in August and have put around 300 rounds through it and haven't had any issues. But this video has me curious, and im going to try the exact drill you're doing to see if I have any problems
I’ve had sand in my mags and I’ve had no issues. The Echelon is reliable with having put thousands of rounds through it. Maybe tap your mags to make sure all rounds sit properly?? Human error??
It's neat to see how many firearms experts there are on KZhead. He just demonstrated multiple failures with his Echelon and yet so many people have emotional attachments to theirs because it's been solid for 500 - 1000 rounds. How many have actually been through some honest to goodness firearms training where you're not punching holes in paper at 10 yards? He is a SWAT guy and firearms instructor and his brother is a decorated combat veteran Navy SEAL. They do legitimate training often 🤷♂️
Well, I’ve put mine through multiple firearm qualifications through law enforcement agencies, and about 3,000 rounds of solid drills much like what he’s doing and I’ve never had a problem. I’m not understanding how you can call a gun a piece of crap because of a magazine. Just get a different mag and it solves the entire issue.
@@clayblankenship7505 >be cop >fire 3,000 rounds I don't beleive you.
Nice to see so many people comment on things they have no idea on...do you own one of these guns? Have you put 5,000 rounds through?? No? Then take your own advice and don't get an emotional attachment to what people respond with ;)
Go watch Honest Outlaw's torture test.
Try different mags. @honestoutlaw did a great torture test of this pistol and it did just fine. Anyway, thanks for the review!
I bought the xdm-elite 10mm about 3 weeks ago. after ten rounds, the gun jammed and the magazine was loose. I was able to just pull it out. I loaded another magazine and it would not engage. Turns out the small spring that sits behind the magazine catch plate moved and is now protruding through the magazine catch plate. sent it out under warranty. they are talking 3- 6 weeks before I see it again. poor design on their part. I may take a loss and trade it in. looking at the pricier FN
Have you guys ever gone over the HK VP9SK ?
I wanted to hate mine but so far a good experience, I know mine is a sample size of 1 so good to see all the different experiences
They had problems with the mags. It was clearly a mag problem in the video. I am sure they have since fixed it. Mine works flawless. I would recommend it. But you guys are making good content. Glad I found you.
I found the problem. You were dropping the slide with 1 round in the magazine. There are no other bullets keeping the stack uniform so the mag follower is getting kinked. This was 100% NOT the fault of the gun or the magazine. OR the operator. It was a flawed test. But I think dropping the slide with only 1 round in the magazine is the problem.
I've got an Echelon with several upgrades and 2500rds through it without so much as a hiccup
I saw that T rex had the bullet nose dive in a few mags when doing mag changes. Interesting. Have you compared a PDP SD to a Glock?
An excellent video. I have watched several videos on this weapon and they have all been consistent and there have been issues with the magazines. This video was very well doneThanks for posting it.
I have the Echelon and haven't experienced any of the defects that you were experiencing. I've run about 400 to 500 rounds through it so far. That said, I've seen multiple reviews where defective magazines were an issue. Maybe you have an earlier version? I will say I changed my magazine bases with the NDZ aluminum bases, but that would not affect what was happening in your case. I'm thinking the pistol is fine, but the magazines could definitely use improvement. Hopefully Springfield will step up and correct the issue on any previous versions by offering free returns and replacements.
Seems like it’s not just you. I purchased the prodigy and it was the worst experience Iv ever had with a gun. By the time I got the gun I ended up change half the internals to get anything to fire. Then had to buy staccato mags for it because I was having issues cycling and then battery issues where the slide would never fully drop. Took it to gun smiths and ended up trading it in for a staccato since I had about 2600 into the pos and Springfield wouldn’t look at it because I swapped out the parts I assumed were the issues with atlas. However!!!!!!! I just recently decided to give Springfield their second chance and probably last with the echelon and have yet to have a complaint about it. Would I swap it out for my Glock. Probably not just due to my previous experience with Springfield.
Nice shooting I've noticed in the last 6 years of buying pistol magazines to many have cheap weak springs that cant feed the rounds hard enough and the follower tilts forward i run a full size glock 17 gen 4 with aftermarket glow sights and barrel runs all day
You try some different ammo? Seems that it’s not reciprocating the slide enough to completely strip the new round from the magazine. This can also cause the weird failure where you can’t drop the mag because there is a half way stripped bullet stuck between your slide, frame, and magazine. It seems that may be the issue since when you drop the mag the slide goes forward
His is a sample of one, can't make any opinions about a line of guns except for that single gun. My sample of one echelon has over 1000 trouble free rounds, I'll keep going until it has issues.
I would like to know what belt you using I’m trying to get a good belt that one looks like it can work with me I don’t want a big belt buckle cause im a small guys 5’7 about 167 pounds
Mine is doing the same thing. When dropping the slide or press checking it stays out of battery. I sent it in for warranty they said they didn’t find anything. I got it back same issues. I have sent another message and now they are not responding.
God bless you brother, in my opinion I will never give Springfield a shot for duty or carry, like you said Glock is a better reliable weapon, in APD we used to carry M& P smith and they were getting mess up by the swat guys, and they went with Glock now, I’m considering the sig p-320 and shooting to see if I get a malfunction so far so good
I've got two consistent carry guns; my Bul Armory Compact Hatchet and my Shadow Systems MR920 Elite. Both are Glock clones and 100% reliable.
I believe it’s magazine issues. Several others have had issues with their magazines. Has a lot to do with the base plates being installed wrong.
that's exactly what this is 100%
Blake what’s your pick Glock 19x or shadow system xr?
Shadow Systems just run it.
Good video. I wonder if the malfunctions have anything to do with dirt getting in the magazines. It seems you are dropping them in the dirt.
I have over 2000 rounds through my Echelon. No issues or any problems.
Well, it's got the best serrations of any gun he's ever "shotten"
You’ll get it right just need to brush up your battery of arms. Definitely could’ve tried using the slide release instead of half racking the slide during mag changes.
Exactly.
I think there was an issue with the mags in the first production versions but I believe that was resolved. I know a few people that have this and they haven’t reported any issues with reloading.
I just did 320 rounds on my new Echelon without any issues, I think you need the sop being cheap and get the Springfield mags to avoid issues by dealing with cheap stuff
Personally I always use the slide stop to release the slide. I also find this much faster by smacking it as I’m bringing my support hand back to the gun. I’m not Special Forces or anything but like Riggs I read the book that came with my first gun.
Think you might of got a 🍋 brother. Got mine on my hip right now. It's been absolutely flawless. Firing pin broke on my 19x so I guess any gun can fail but I've had a great experience with my Echelon so far.
Slamming magazines is your problem. Slide the magazine in more gently and seat it with a soft click. Slamming magazines can damage the foot of the mag and even deform the top round against the bolt if the slide is forward. You are causing the rounds to bounce up and down against the mag spring just as the bolt comes forward. Slow down your reload.
My opinion is it is the mag with the extension on it, is that factory?
Just used mine in a 4hr course class. Went thru about 20 emergency mag changes and not one issue.
I have a echelon with over a 1000 rounds thru it, most shooting IDPA and USPSA not one FTF or FTE, it's been magna-ported, prp trigger and lots of polishing, no problems whats so ever.
It's got a lot of things going for it, but there are some bugs that need to be worked out for sure!!! I'll stick with my S&W M&P until then! Great video, as always guys! I love what yall do! God bless!
me too! My PC shield plus has zero malfunctions about 1500 rounds through it so far and when I change mags the slide always runs forward ready to go! Although I will say I have a friend who owns an Echelon and it runs very well no problems.
M&P is a great glock alternative as is CZ.......
@@AverageGIJoeOutdoors agreed cz is amazing
There can always be ammo issues, are you using ball rounds or HP's? HP's will do that more often, also down load the mag by one round...
I must admit, I've never done that kind of drill where you rely on the fact that slamming the mag in will load the next round. Not that there's any problem with that technique that I'm aware of, however, no matter what gun I'm using when doing magazine reload drills I always put the mag in and hope that it doesn't slam the slide home. I always (Glock, Sig, FN, Spring) have my thumb on the slide release and as soon as the mag seats I release the slide. Never had a problem doing it that way on any of my guns. Every now and then the slide will slam forward on it's own and I haven't had any problems. If I get a gut that's nearly impossible to release the slide with the slide lock, I quickly get rid of it. I have the Echelon but have only put about 200 rounds through it. I'll try to get mine to duplicate what yours was doing and report back. Thanks for the review.
You called it. He relies on slamming the mag instead of loading the pistol like he should. No handgun manufacturer anywhere in the world says "reload our gun by slamming the magazine into place..." If he loaded it correctly, I would almost guarantee zero issues, but then he wouldn't be getting views on "this gun ain't worth a crap." He's gotta look tacticool...
Would the relax fit jeans make my butt look good? I need something that will take attention away from my beer belly
Mine functions flawless. May wanna contact Springfield.
It’s not rocket science take the 20 rounder out of the mix get a couple of 17 round magazines and continue your testing to prove to yourself. It’s just the 20 round magazines not the pistol.
I know a couple people that had mag issues with them and one of the issues the went to reload it and the full mag completely came apart and dumped all the ammo and spring.
Make sure the magazines are put together right. I habe seen this issue before bevause the of something to do with baseplates installed wrong. Not sure just a thought. For me im a no go with glock because of malfuntions.
I’ve seen good and bad reviews. All seem to be the magazines. My 20 round magazine was not assembled correctly out of the box. I currently have around 1200 rounds through my Echelon and have been lucky to not have any of the issues that have been reported other than the one mag. Hopefully it’s something that will be worked out quickly.
I have not had any issues with mine at just over 1,000 rounds. Could be the magazine follower or spring is bad.
Springfield has been selling range packs for some time where a case and several magazines come with a gun. I was wondering how they could justify the expense of including so many magazines but this probably gives us a clue.
…….And that was for the hellcat right and not the only ranger pack I’ve seen from a company 💀 good for both companies for looking out for ppl who can’t or just not paying 600 for a dot 300 for a light and 100 per mag when it took the company way less to make em 🤷🏾♂️
All companies do range packs
@@watchyoutube9553 Who charges $100 per mag? Sig is the worst and even they're only in the $40-$50 range. You can also get a quality dot and light for half the prices you quote.
You are new to firearms huh?
If you wanna change from Glock, who make fine pistols, I still trust a19x often, you could try out a Canik. My two favorite are the Executive for concealment and the Mete sft for duty. I’d like to see you boys test them out.
Well... That ready sucks , I've seen several reviews on this Glock gen 3 clone with a lot of great features. The mags I think are made by Medgar which specializes in mags for many different Manufacturers . I've not seen any review have this problem before with this Echelon . I'd say the follower or spring is hanging up in the mag body somehow, not enough pressure pushing up towards the feed lips so the side can strip off the next round . Take the mag apart, see if something got into it, dirt, or a weak spring maybe. Number the mags see if it's just one or if others are having this same problem .
I’m curious about the PSA Dagger stuff…any chance you could do a review on one of them?
I wonder if the mags are going in to far or not in far enough idk
3,500 plus rounds, with none of the issues. I did put Taran Tactical +5 mag mag plates on it because I didn't care for the factory ones...
Is the 20 round magazine. Most people had problems with that one.
I think its the mags. I have promags for my shield I use at the range that do this. I dont like reloading my mags and shooting the shield you have no choice so I bought some cheap mags to be able to shoot more and reload less, and it was a mistake. Good for training malfunctions i guess😂 shield oem mags and mags with hyve extensions are flawless. Zero malfunctions other than with the promags. Ive considered filing down the front of the mag but I dont really want to. Im not a magazine engineer. Not qualified.
Another reason I’m glad I went with the Glock 19x. Groups are consistently the size of my palm. 10 shot groups. Super accurate and no stoppages or malfunctions. When I went to get some to lay it away, the salesman referred your channel, I just said “why do you think I’m here?” Haha
19x is my favorite. I customized one on my channel it’s pretty dope. Great choice. I love the peanut butter.
Love my 19x as well..
@@HKGunPlayI’ll check it out!!
@@naturecoastprepping2487such a smooth and reliable shooter, for sure!
@@ghulcaster cool thanks it’s the first video on my channel but it’s on several others as well.
My glock mags had the same issue new. Put some lubrication on the inside of the magazine and that fixed the problem for me. Try lubing the mags and then trying the drill again.
Mags shouldn't have to be lubed, especially polymer mags! That's likely to cause even more problems by attracting powder residue,dirt,lent,etc. Take them apart and clean them occasionally and apply a very LIGHT coat of Break Free to the spring and other steel parts to help prevent rust.👍
@@robertlawson698 I agree that it shouñdnt have to be lubed. But sometimes you get lemons and you have to deal with them somehow. Also a mag issue and a gun issue are two very different things. Mags are easily replaced and/or fixed, but a gun isn't. Yeah the mag issue doesn't inspire confidence, but the gun itself has proven short term relaibility through some pretty gnarly testing done by everyone on KZhead, saying that a mag issue means the gun itself is crap is pretty harsh.
@@Mosamania the way you deal with lemons is by sending them back to the manufacturer...not try to cobble together a fix that may or may not work...no need to be the beta tester on your own dime...