Remington Under Fire: CNBC Investigation
Senior Correspondent Scott Cohn examines allegations that the Remington Model 700- series hunting rifle is prone to firing without pulling the trigger, and that its manufacturer, Remington, has been aware of this concern for almost 60 years. Dozens of deaths, scores of injuries, and more than a thousand customer complaints have been linked to the alleged problem. This original documentary aired on Wednesday, October 20th.
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Remington Under Fire: CNBC Investigation
From 1:30 thru 2:00 the reporters finger never left the trigger. Just plain bad gun safety whether loaded or not. CNBC FAIL.
SuperSaltydog77 Remington fail!
Caleb Newton I'm sure Rem's. design could have been done with more safety in mind but likely would have given a more difficult trigger which would have lessened accuracy. To many people not following proper safety by having finger in trigger guard near trigger.
SuperSaltydog77 didnt you get the memo? It was Remington fault
I noticed the newsman with bad handling techniques but seriously always know your target and what is behind and never point it at anything you aren't willing to destroy
Caleb Newton Very true. Guns are simply tools that perform very specific tasks but these tools are extremely dangerous and should be handled as such. There is zero margin for error.
Why is everyone so butthurt about this video’s topic? It’s not anti-gun, its pro-consumer safety! I’m a gun owner and I’m mostly opposed to gun control, but however that doesn’t mean gun manufacturers shouldn’t be held accountable for mechanical failures and defects.
Well said. They should be held accountable for the mechanical problem, but should not be held accountable for resulting deaths. Practicing basic gun safety would have prevented the deaths associated with the problem. ALWAYS know what is behind the intended target and everything in front of the barrel. If either doesn’t apply, don’t point the barrel that direction.
I know it’s strange, but having an unpredictable firearm would teach you a very strict discipline in fire arms handling for sure!
Exactly. There is so such time as a time that you can safely be in front of a gun barrel.. No bullets..Safety on.. Period.. Guns are always to be considered loaded.. Always expected to fire.
I feel horribpe for the family and child though. Its always sad when someone loses a family member.
Bc the guns were tamperd with.
I feel bad for the parents, but the mother had a loaded weapon and pointed it in an unsafe direction. Firearms safety teaches you to always know what is behind what you're pointing at.
Yes, exactly my thoughts! Safety is at first place, especially when kids are around!
Yes, the rifle should have been broke and nothing in the chamber
You are assuming she had It pointed in an unsafe direction. You weren't there to see the situation.
Yes that's an issue. But you know what else is an issue, The gun going off randomly. That should NEVER happen.
What do you mean it was pointed at a trailer with the kids behind them and then Gus snuck away they knew their was nothing behind the trailer until a person walked behind it.
The CNBC guy is talking about its design flaws while he has his finger on the trigger!
I see so much lack of index.....
*stares at his trigger finger while he talks about safety* *(Sweating Bullets)*
What are the chances this guy has never properly handled a firearm in his life
I have two Remington 700's that accidentally discharged. My wife took the safety off hers, it fired. I closed the bolt on one of mine and it fired. I had a buddy whose son shot a deer while his safety was on. We now shoot Browning A-Bolts.
That the first thing I noticed!
Remington should absolutely deal with this issue but people need to be safer with firearms.
If the gun were pointed at the ground . . .
Remington won't. Fixing their 700s WOULD be tantamount to ADMITTING there WAS a problem LEGALLY WISE. It's called Exhibit A. Lawyers WILL ARGUE that if the gun was not damaged, why was it fixed/changed? Those b*llsh*t excuses they are serving about the gun handlers mishandling the gun? THAT WOULD NOT HOLD UP IN COURT if they fix the gun. THEY WOULD LOSE THE SUCCEEDING LAWSUITS. Those that they have won? That can be REOPENED FOR APPEAL. It will be a lawsuit sh*tstorm with them hemorhagging money. They would go bankrupt. I am not their posterboy and I am absolutely NOT SIDING WITH REMINGTON. I AM JUST SAYING their line of reasoning.
There is no problem!! It does not exist!! If any rifle is damaged it has opportunity to malfunction!! I have a 1968 Remington 700 BDL 30-06 and I have never had any problem with any type of malfunction since it was purchased brand new! Neglect, damaged, improperly maintained rifles can possibly malfunction in some way or another but not one that is properly maintained period! Remington is the best!!
@@kevinrollman3101 I've owned a 700R for 10 years. Not a single problem. Check this out. kzhead.info/sun/jM6mf7d5kXammY0/bejne.html
@@kevinrollman3101 I managed to duplicate the issue once. Basically if something was pressing against the safety lever due to dirt or obstruction inside the stock, there have been times when I would engage the safety, pull the trigger (and the firing pin would not fall), but as soon as you disengage the safety the firing pin will fall. It shouldn't happen but fact is guns get put through all kinds of dirty situation, and if some dirt got inside that area around the receiver this could happen. I personally just act like the safety isn't there and treat the gun accordingly (meaning keep it unloaded, never point it at someone, etc.)
THATS WHY U POINT THE BARREL IN A SAFE DIRECTION
Amen
vhopper50 the ground
That's why I have a pump Remington and don't point it at people EVER
Not an excuse for dangerous manufacturing defects
yes but keep in mind that this is an old design
The fuckin reporter has his finger on the trigger while he's talking about gun safety???
Just shows that it's another media stunt to take our guns. This is a new approach I haven't seen before. The reporter is probably a liberal who's never shot in his life.
+Mitchell Mitchell The problem is the gun, not all guns.
Spirit Splice Can you elaborate? I don't understand.
+Mitchell Mitchell I don't see any antigun agenda here, just a complaint about a company covering up a problem with a specific gun.
Spirit Splice I suppose
I’ve taught firearm safety for 19 years. There are 4 absolute rules to be followed when handling a firearm. The first rule is the most important of all. 1. always point the muzzle in a safe direction. Always. You’ll never hurt anyone unless you violate this rule. 2. Always treat a firearm as if it’s loaded. That means you check every single time you pick one up, even if you just laid it down. Make it a habit. If someone hands you a gun and you don’t know how that particular gun works , do not accept it. Ask the person to open the chamber and show you it's unloaded and how to safely operate it. 3. Know your target and beyond. Hitting what you shoot at is great but it doesn’t end there. The target is the first thing you want to shoot. But a safe shooter is aware of the last thing it may hit too, and all points in between. 4. Never put you finger in the trigger guard until the moment you intend to shoot. Period.
10-4 dont point loud end at stuff. JK----__--- ALWAYS LOADED +=++=ALWAYS
This should've been the top pinned comment
This happened to me when I was 15. I have a Remington 700 and it went off when I disengaged the safety. I was dear hunting and was getting ready to unload my gun, in order to unload it or take the round out of the chamber I had to take the safety off. I pointed the gun into the woods away from our campsite I clicked the safety off and boom it went off. Everyone insisted that I pulled the trigger, but I knew I did not. For years I thought that some how I touched the trigger but could not figure out how it was possible. After I watched this I got the gun out and tried to replicate it after about 20 minutes it happened. I now know that I did not touch the trigger and the gun did go off when I just disengaged the safety. I'm just glad no one was hurt, and I followed the basic gun safety rules.
Was it 308 ? I have my dad's old 700 but it has a geissele trigger , I have all the old parts and was thinking about restoring it to original to see if it does this .
@westbender 820 I've been shooting much longer than you apparently lol
I had exactly the same experience as Bulldog!
@@mikeanderson3762 it was a 25-06. I would leave the geissele trigger in it.
I had the same thing happened to me 1973 Remington 700 30 06 take saftey off and it accidentally fired
Don't want to sound insensitive but this why there is more than one rule when it comes to safe firearms handling. Its not enough to just take your finger off the trigger you need to make damn sure your loaded rifle isn't pointed at anything you don't intend to destroy finger off the trigger or not.
Something I learned in the Marine Corps, at the range, at the armory, at the guard shack, several places, we had barrels with sand in them to clear our weapons. I have a 5 gallon bucket at home and I use it for that same purpose, point the gun at the bucket where the sand is when charging a round or clearing the weapon. I highly recommend it for anyone who owns a gun.
I use big log stump or ground
Will a Home Depot bucket of sand stop most rifle rounds?
Or as we did put your little finger in the chamber, after opening the breach.
My mom was in the Royal Canadian Mounted Police in the 1970s and '80s. She once said that the problem was disturbingly common.
Semper Fidelis
8:35 quick question, why were the people handling a loaded rifle in a house?
@Zachary Peterson Same here, only load em just before shooting
You ever hear of home defense
never point your weapon at anything that you do not intend to destroy. I'm sad for the mother who shot her son but if the barrel was not pointing at him then he would still be here
Straight facts
Preach. Rule number 1.
He was behind a trailer? He wasnt even in view? The mother last saw her son on a horse behind her? I agree with your first statement however I believe remington is at fault.
@@montesmontage1872 now your target and whats beyond your target is a other rule
Well the mother shot her son and she won’t take responsibility
I like how at beginning while holding the gun his finger is on the trigger the entire time
I have been a gun guy all my life, carry concealed daily, hunt, target shoot, reload etc. I am disgusted reading the in denial posts of some of you ignorants. This is a case where guns did kill and Remington knew it! Wise up jerks! A safety is not supposed to act as a trigger. It did on these guns.
Chris Fiandach there could have been bad milk in their baby bottles as children
Chris Fiandach fully agree with you. Was the reporter unsafe? Yes. Still doesn’t hide the fact Remington should never had allowed this problem to continue without properly acknowledging and requiring a call back and fix it. My family has had guns and hunted since before my time. I currently own firearms. Safety is of the utmost importance at all times. Safety flaws in manufactured firearms that are left unfixed by the manufacture is hurting our firearm rights. Unsafe handling and uses by unsafe firearms is harming our firearm rights as well.
Chris Fiandach yes is all I can say
And now the Xmark trigger is a huge failure as well too much loctite especially in cold weather ie deer season
@@terrygrossmann6125 they should have fired this engineer in the 40's his so called 5.5 cent fix is a failure also
that’s crazy that they can recreate the issue, while the camera is rolling. I’ve always wanted a 700, our snipers in my old unit used them.
Avoid
What's crazy is that they knew and were familiar enough with that issue, knew it intimately enough to know to hit the bolt sharply and rather than have their Armorer, a Gunsmith, Remington, or even a janitor with some common sense fix the issue they went way out of their way to film it in that unsafe condition multiple times and then sold out to the media. If it ain't working, fix it immediately....don't play with it on purpose and possibly create a real devastating incident. What if while they were hitting that bolt, control was lost and someone got hurt? Knowing the unsafe issue was there then F'ing around with it on purpose to make a candid Kodak moment isn't exactly the mark of average, or above average intelligence. It's akin to millennial kids filming someone on their phone get a beat down and just filming it rather than doing the right thing to rectify the problem. They are lucky no one got hurt! A better question is who was responsible for maintaining, cleaning, and inspecting the rifle? An even better question is why that rifle wasn't in the shop, back at Remington, or at a gunsmith's getting fixed, withdrawn from service, rather than still in service?
Anyone else notice they put the hay ring upside down lol
At 17:34 5.5 cents would be about the equivalent of .90 cents today. From the company's point of view, it probably would be too expensive to fix. Profit over safety.
Bad decision on Remington's part. I don't know any gun enthusiast who, if given the choice, would not spend the extra .90 cents for a safer trigger.
first rule is safe direction, if you remember your safety training then you should know any mechanical device can fail
Don't point the barrel at ANYTHING you don't want to shoot, even if the gun is NOT loaded. I'm sad for those killed and injured.
This is WHY YOU ALWAYS point a gun at the ground in a safe direction amd treat any gun like it is loaded!!!
Rainie Leighla why are people like you so quick to protect some faceless corporation?
AJSSPACEPLACE it’s not protecting anyone except for the handler of the firearm. Failure to follow basic gun safety rules places blame for an accident on the user, mechanical problem or not. “The only effective safety is between your ears”
@@officialengineFAQs However, a software failure can occur between your ears.
I had aRemington 700 for 25 years never once have any of them went off I love Remington guns always will
Gregg Anderson old Remington yes new no
Safety is a mechanical device and can fail! Always keep you gun pointed in a safe direction! However if i was to acquire or owned an older Remington with this trigger i would get a new trigger from an after market supplier.
Exactly.
Interesting article. I used to have a 700, like it very much but sold it when I gave up hunting. I did have an old 25-06 Charles Daily rifle that began firing when the bolt was closed. Had the rifle fixed then traded it off at a gunshow. loved that gun but when it became unsafe it was time to part with it. That said, the first thing dad ever told me before he handed me a rifle was "Never point a gun at anything you do not want to kill" "Always treat a firearm as if it were loaded" and "Never chamber a round until you are ready to fire." I always kept up with all those rules, except the chambered round, when I was on the PD I would have been a fool to carry a firearm without one in the tube.
You guys going to believe a reporter who has his finger on the trigger the entire time?
+fusionstar916 no, but I'm to believe my own experience and a trained army sniper.. !?
+boon eht trained army snipers doesnt mean they know anything about material science or engineering.
+fusionstar916 almost every experience sniper is well above average in knowledge of gun systems and he/she is fairly capable of constructing and altering guns to their use but that was not my point. The point was that THERE IS a problem and if let's say you and me as an average guy can't operate safely a gun and it's our fault, a trained soldier and especially a sniper is beyond capable and to say it's their fault that the rifle shoots on safety release .. its laughable
And pointed it at his foot
Reporter doesn’t know basic firearm safety.
I cut my hand while chopping peppers yesterday.. It was a French Chef's knife. It ends here.
Is that a brand? French Chef?
well I hoped you sued them, no knife should ever cut the user, the safety on it must have failed
@@AJSSPACEPLACE While cutting using proper knife technique with fingers bent parralel to knife, the peppers I was cutting slipped on the cutting board and my finger went under the knife. We should only have access to precut vegetables. Rule number one of gun safety is don't point it at anything you would not shoot. Like a camper, house, pet or human. Even when unloaded with safety on. At a gun shop you will get harshly corrected for just momentarily sweeping a person with the barrel even though they demonstrate that the weapon is unloaded before handing it over. There should be a recall if there is a problem but if someone gets shot it's user error, they broke the rules.
the safety on the knife failed lol
the best safe for any gun is between your ears
are you people not watching the video of the guns going off for no reason?
amen
I owned Remington 700 model since 1994 and have fired thousand rounds ...never had problem....
It happened to my dads gun once and the gun was maintained great shot through the floor of my truck and the front tire and wheel ended up in my shoe. Happened while he was unloading it.
H P ok keyboard warrior, he was the only one in the truck I was outside and he was in a a packed neaborhood no place to point the gun but down and that’s what he did. But you seamed fit to commet about something you know nothing about how dumb is that.
1994,it,s not now,i dont want a remington now,not for FIVE CENTS.
This doesn't seem like anti gun it seems more like anti defective parts before you give this a dislike
I was just about to say the same...
I initially thought this would be a documentary about Bloomberg and other Communists trying to blame gun manufacturers for the crimes that Democrats are committing. But you're right. It turned out to be an anti defective part documentary instead.
This is why you buy surplus Mausers.
Mosin nagants are better
Claude Mountain amen, if it ain't broke don't fix it.but btw my dad has Remington 700 in 6 mm that my brother, cousins, and I have used, but none of us have ever had a problem with it.
MLG MIN3CRAFT L3ts pl4ysXXX the 1903 is a Mauser action , learn your history.
m1 garand's bruh
Duh timney trigger
In 1971 my father gave me a Remington 700 BDL Custom Deluxe chambered for .270 Winchester cartridges. As the first centerfire rifle I had ever owned I fell in love with it and became very proficient with it. I owned the rifle for 34 years and remember six specific incidents where it misfired exactly as depicted in this video. I'm lucky to still have both my feet. I just now, due to watching this video, became aware this is an inherent defect in the rifle. The theory I developed while owning the rifle was that old lubricants became gummy over time during storage and caused the firing pin delivery mechanism to stick in a cocked position but not in the proper location that secured its retention. I never gave it more thought than that but I eventually lost my trust in my beloved rifle and when I was at a position where I desired a more powerful caliber I decided to sell it rather than hold on to it. I still own a Remington 870 Wingmaster in 12 gauge and a Remington 7400 in .30-06. The 870 is a great gun and I'm satisfied but not overly thrilled with the 7400.
I watched the entire thing, its scary if its true but I always doubt anything coming from the media nowadays. I remember when I was a kid (many many moons ago) my dad purchased me a single shot bolt action 22 (my first gun) and was teaching me gun safety and when he took the safety off it fired. First lesson he taught me was never trust a safety.
+Calvin Lippert It was the first thing I noticed. This idiot could have shot his cameramen and would then blame the gun. Maybe the gun has a problem. Maybe not. But they should bring a reporter who at the very minimum knows how to handle a firearm properly.
+Calvin Lippert It was the first thing I noticed. This idiot could have shot his cameramen and would then blame the gun. Maybe the gun has a problem. Maybe not. But they should bring a reporter who at the very minimum knows how to handle a firearm properly.
+Calvin Lippert The very very first thing they taught me in the army: there is no such a thing as an unloaded weapon. even if it is in pieces in front of you. it is loaded.
+Calvin Lippert A weapon should not discharge unless trigger is pulled with safety off....What good is safety that's really just a trigger??? You should never point at anything you arnt ready to shoot but what about the woods or unloading weapon causing it to go off allowing bullets to bounce off things till it hits a life? What happens if your in woods ready to shoot a deer and see someone come behind a tree in area your aiming, trying to unload the weapon or put on safety it fires..even pointing up in the air it fires, bringing round down killing someone, even jarring the bolt as you try to turn weapon away from them causes it to fire. or hitting a rock on ground killing your hunting partner as you try to unload weapon after a missed chance at a targeted animal....Weapons should only discharge when trigger is pulled with safety off PERIOD... It would be great if weapons were only fired at ranges, this would not be such a huge problem but its not just shooting range weapon.We have US snipers using it aimed ALWAYS loaded safety on targets 24/7.... If you cant see the harm in that you will never see the harm in anything.....until it happens to YOU..... Folks that choose to ignore no matter how many facts are shown , they are the ones the rest of the world needs saved from..
My old man taught me from a young age as well. I've had a fearful respect for guns ever since, I spare no precautions and I'll teach my children the same. Accidents happen because of a lack of education, same goes for driving.
What was the purpose of showing them buying a gun on some grainy undercover camera?
I think they thought it would show people who’ve never bought a gun how easy it is to buy one and they thought it would show that some how it’s the sellers fault for selling a gun I guess
Why are these evidence videos always grainy/blurry? Looks like they used wax paper over the lens.
I guarantee 90% of the people who had problems never cleaned the trigger assembly and about 99.9% pulled the trigger unknowingly or are too afraid to admit it.
We got atleast 7 rem 700s from adl to cdl and i think a mountian model running around the family from 222 up to 30 06 and none have ever miss fired. Some have been cleaned while other family members never cleaned them and a few are atleast 40 years old then my 270 is a year or two old.love the 700s
sparaco three oh five well, enjoy your pos gun. I'm gonna stick with what they know how to make. .22. No wait those burn like they're filled with dirt. nevermind.
believe me i dont own just rems,i prefer my weatherby mark4 over my 700s and they arent pieces of shit.have you had a 700 shoot out of the blue?i sure havent and there is alot of them where i am that never have when i asked their owners about it.opinions are like assholes and every one has them.
heath wilhite also, why is the gun pointing at a human being ??? and why was their a bullet in the chamber ??? these people sounds stupid too me
Rocky Dang seriously. I mean I understand having a round in the chamber during hunting because putting a round in slow or fast is noisy. People just seem to forget what they're taught
I really wanted a 700 220 Swift when I was looking for a coyote rifle. They were a little more than I could afford so I got a M77 instead, thank God
Wise choice .
A MISFIRE is a FAILURE TO FIRE, not an accidental discharge.
This is why in 20 years of hunting and shooting, i have never owned a single remington firearm. Even their ammo i have shot is known to be unreliable and even unsafe in certain platforms.
...Because your brain is WAY too small to be able to handle one. You are a joke.
You are not fit to own firearms, so please don't buy any Remington's or others. Go buy a 2x4 at Home Depot, that should be safe enough for you...
I bought a Remington 700 in 2008/09 and within about a year there was a safety recall on the trigger. I took it in to a gun shop in 2011 and they fitted a new trigger. This is the first I have heard about this issue down here in Australia, I will have to test my rifle and see if I can replicate it or if the new trigger is ok
Why its always important to practice proper muzzle discipline. That kid would still be alive if his mother wasn't so careless.
Muffins No, the kid would still be alive if the gun didn't misfire. She couldn't have known he was on the other side of the trailer because he went there without telling her. Proper muzzle discipline has nothing to do with it considering her son was BEHIND her originally, pay attention to the facts next time.
MrOhyeah21 Pointing a gun at your trailer is never a good idea. The gun should have been pointing at the ground. "know your target and whats beyond it' One if the primary principles of gun safety.
I understand that much, in hindsight it was a stupid decision. But I can guarantee you at some point in your life you have accidentally put someone in your line of fire, especially when you have a misconception of where somebody is. She didn't have a telepathic connection with her son, mistakes were made. That can't be denied. The only reason I'm getting frustrated about it is because Remington refuses to admit they have an issue (even if it is only a small percentage of the rifles). Cars are capable of killing, so certain standards are kept to assure a specific threshold of safety. I'm not saying regulate the arms market, all I want to see happen is manufacturers begin to market their products honestly. Don't say something is 100% safe if you know there is a possibility for disaster.
MrOhyeah21 It doesn't matter if she didn't know if her son was behind the trailer or not. She had a loaded the weapon and failed to treat it as a loaded weapon such. She violated the cardinal rule of handling firearms. Don't have the muzzle end pointed and ANYTHING you do not want to shoot. You keep it pointed at the ground when it is loaded, or you are loading or unloading. Now, is Remington at fault ? 100 percent they are at fault for the defect. But she is also because her lack of proper firearms handling got her son killed.
gp556by45 I understand your point and I agree with you on it. I know she was wrong for how she handled the gun, I had gun safety drilled into my head during my scouting career. But I know that woman had no interest in killing her son, she didn't intentionally aim it towards him. But she did end up aiming at him. Human error is so common in life we just overlook it and blame the person. But it was a mistake none the less, she knew how to handle a gun, from what I understand in the video at least, you gotta take everything with a grain of salt, but you know that. I wasn't intending to start a massive argument over this, there are way too many variables in this story to make a logical conclusion from it. All I know for certain was that she was carrying a rifle with the impression that the manufacturer built it with to the highest standards. But it wasn't, not in her case. When Toyota had their brake issues, regardless of the fact that some of the cases were falsely created, they had to recall all of the affected vehicles and fix the problem. Not solely to protect the owner, but everyone around them. If a company is allowed to get away with murder, what set of rules do they abide by? The mother has to live with the fact that she killed her son, Remington just sees it as another number.
5.5 cents per gun and this documentary would have never existed.
I’ve owned a Remington for a while no misfires it’s an old model the thing is if you touch the bolt (while unlocking safety) it could fly forward and fire the gun so that’s why this happened.
A barrel of a gun should never point toward anybody so it doesn’t matter
I felt that way initially, but she didn't point the gun at anyone. She pointed it at a wall. And tragically, the kid ran to exactly where the bullet would come through the wall.
I agree regardless the g should never fire of whenever
I've owned several Rem 700's... from 22-250's to 223's and 204 etc I've never had a trigger issue. Although I always eventually put Jewel triggers in after a while - they're the best.
No gun should go off like this, I understand comments about pointing a gun in a safe direction, but no one should accept such a blatant failure
Agree, I regret i bought remington product. Shouldn't be supporting company like this. There are plenty good gun makers out there
I suppose that's why they say always treat a gun as if its loaded. When in fact it was in all of these cases. Its easier to blame others than to take responsibility for your own weapon and your own bullets. And that includes proper care and maintenance .
***** Same could be said for Toyota and their recalls. I don't see Toyota slowing down. And a lot of the stuck accelerator problems where proven to be a faulty accelerator but also a lack of maintaining them. Not ever sword has a single edge.
427SuperSnake1 uhh..I think the Marine Corps Sniper schools and Police SWAT instructors kinda figured out since forever and still having those incidents SO your statement doesn't hold weight with THIS particular problem
Brought to you by the people that rigged up a GM pickup truck to explode, then did a story on the "hazard."
I need to see this. Link?
@@connorharris-swem3737 kzhead.info/sun/ftipfd5_hWurips/bejne.html
But I always strap model rocket motors to my fuel tank.
Demonized A/Rs now going after bolt action.
5 year old video...
nobody special can’t you say Ar hmm no
its a 5 year old video on a damn near 10 year old issue but is more of a problem of bad gun handling i have a old 700 from 2009-10 and have never found a way to create the problem dropping it or anything else
Either way. Remington issues a recall on remington 700’s because of trigger issues. So since this is such an old video and issue I’m liable to believe this issue has been addressed
And I’m not talking about the recall mentioned in the video
Why is the guys finger in the trigger garb at the beginning
He’s never healed a gun
Quite simple, he wanted to make sure the gun was unloaded, so he kept shooting till it stopped.
I'm truly sorry for that poor father. I can't imagine losing one of my sons. However, to continue to be a "rugged individualist" and fight a fight against a corporation, while defending that corporation against oversight by the Federal Government is just crazy.
31:15 I'm pretty sure it's time to cut back on smoking when your fingers have been permanently discolored
Lol, I'd say it is too late.
Meh...He's 97 .... he got that far smoking.....
Rick Taylor Yes, but pointing the rifle in a safe direction is the last line of safety and it should never come to that point. No modern firearm should accidentally fire during fire-safety selection or other minor handling.
Pointing a loaded rifle should be the first line of safety. No one would have been killed, if the gun was pointed in a safe direction.There's nothing wrong with the Walker trigger.
Rick Taylor a rifle is never pointed in a safe direction 100% of the time. If it isn't triggered it should not fire.
I have a Remington 700 BDL that I bought new in 1981. These rifles had the Walker Safety and some there were reports of unintentional discharges when safety is flipped off. This pre-X mark safety ( Walker safety) required the safety to be flipped off before the cartridge could be extracted from chamber at end of hunting. I had heard about voluntary recall but never had a problem until 2013. While in Africa, my son was carrying this rifle and he flipped off safety so he could extract the round from chamber. Upon flipping safety off, the rifle discharged. His finger was not in the trigger guard. I had engraved gun safety into his soul as a child; he had rifle pointed upward and he had stepped away from the other hunters and guide. The round discharged into the air with no damage done. This was before Remington fully acknowledged the problem with Walker safeties. There was only a voluntary recall offered by Remington at the time. I advised Remington and they replaced Walker safety with new X mark Safety- no charge.... However, on the same hunting trip, I was carrying a newer Remington 700 LSS and learned that the original X Mark safety on my 5 year old rifle was being recalled. Remington paid for shipping both ways and replacement at no cost. Please have your Walker safeties or X Mark safeties checked out. Remington's web page will advises by serial number if your gun needs to be sent back. @t Good hunting to all and be sure to sign up any hunting buddies who are not members of NRA. The only rights we have are those we are willing to defend.
I gave my Rem 700 to my youngest son and he reported its having gone off a few seconds after a trigger pull. I thought it was maybe old hardened oil in the trigger [??] This gives a whole new scenario open to review. So I have my son viewing this now. He is the one best to determine exactly what happened in light of that accidental firing. I shall see what he reports. I thank God it happened on the range and nowhere else! PS A 5.5 cent fix, the old gent who designed the trigger and the fix to be ignored is craziness, also it's ignorance.
I love leaving my weapons loaded while pointing right at me!!!
Clearly its idiots who dont know *PROPER GUN SAFTEY*
This is all the more reason to be aware of the muzzle at all times. There can be no mistakes even with a firearm that should be rendered safe.
this is why you always have to point in a safe direction and always think what's beyond...
winchester had problems with their 3.5 chambered 12gauge shotguns. it happens mainly due to cutting manufacturing costs!!!! enough said.
Now I have 2 things to buy : life insurance on my wife and Remington 700..
Lmaoo
*The FBI would like to know your location*
all of these deaths and injuries could have been avoided if practicing proper gun safety.
Brett Walstead I would like to think so?
There are two issues here:(1) the gun should not fire without the trigger being pulled; and (2) the gun should not be pointed at an unsafe direction. Those two issues should be addressed separately and independently of each other. Thanks.
Well I own 6 Remington's and have never had one go off without pulling the trigger, but people need to point their rifles in a SAFE direction!-Paul
And thats why you buy a model 70
Dylan Castle ....naw....that's why you buy a browning, or something made in sweden or finland
jethro035181 Sako
when you take your test- I would always say point the gun down! - but the test always says in a safe direction! wow, this video is really helpful thank you
I own a Remington 700, I have NEVER had a problem
I recently mailed my Remington 700 .308 for trigger replacement, the Saturday before the 60 Minutes story. I'm told that they are replacing the trigger with the same type trigger (the x mark pro). Gun dealers recommended that I buy a Timney drop-in replacement trigger when or if I get my gun back, because Remington may go bankrupt if they have to pay for all the defective triggers, who knows what happens in bankruptcy!
I've managed to duplicate the issue once, and it was on their "new" X mark pro trigger. Essentially if anything is interfering with the safety mechanism, lever, or what have you, this will happen, and it will happen while you click the safety off. I took an angle grinder to the safety lever and just treated it as though it has no safety. Aftermarket triggers may be safer.
i can testify this as my Rem 700 Police would fire just by taking it off safety. I wasn't expecting it and it recoiled right on my thumb as I was pushing the safety forward. Its been a habit for me not using the safety anymore since that happened. I just got the rifle literally and shot less than 100 rounds so it can't be a maintenance issue. I might have to dish our a couple hundred now to get an aftermarket trigger. I brought it brand new late 2014. Fixing the trigger problem would be a basic due dilligence and that fact that they are a firearms manufacturer puts them at a even higher safety standard for ensuring public safety of their own creation.
I have Remington 700 30.06 ADL Springfield. I have purchased this rifle 2 years ago and I am using for hunting. When I am at range and using for target practice I do not see any problem at all. With Remington 700 bolt action rifle.😃
I have also owned Model 600's and Model 721' and 722's with No discharges at any time !
25:25 "the safety didn't retract the firing pin" Yea, and neither does any other gun I can think of.
Ever heard of a gun called Mauser '98? About 100 million made, retracts firing pins since 120 years. The only way a discharge with engaged safety is possible, is when the rear end of the firing pin brakes off. And these are made really solid!
@@f.h.9606 Yup, the old mausers with the flag safety are pretty bomb proof.
That was my first rifle and I never had any problems
I firmly believe in keep your weapon always in a safe direction. That being said, once Remington knew there was a verified problem with the 700 they had an obligation to take action to correct the problem no matter the cost….PERIOD! I also own a Remington 700.
That's why you never store your rifle loaded.
I've been shopping for a hunting rifle with extreme accuracy.... it's safe to say Remington is out of the pool now
+thesweatleaf It's hard to find a Remington with this trigger ('Walker Trigger') installed unless you buy used. This hit piece is about the older Walker Trigger. The Remington 700's manufactured after 2006 come with the X-Mark Pro trigger. Having said that, if I were in the market for a hunting rifle, I'd look at the Browning X-Bolt.
Tell me why the X-Bolt is preferable to them? I'm looking to stay in 308 caliber.
+thesweatleaf Browning is a well made product (I own several Browning shotguns); Very accurate out of the box, and the safety is a thumb lever, which is easier for me to manipulate, as I shoot long guns left handed (due to left-eye dominance), but prefer right-handed actions because I am right handed. Best thing for you to do is go to a retailer and try multiple manufacturers to see what fits you best. I have many Remington rifles and shotguns as well - they are all good products - but I've had very good luck with Browning.
+thesweatleaf Have to agree...any company that does this type of BS...What else are/have they done and choose to cover up Sorry but they just can not be trusted no matter how much BS they claim is changed. They should have been shut down period and anyone involved allowing this to go on should be prosecuted. Just could never trust a company again that pulled this for so long and gets away with it.My money would never go to pay any employee whom choose to work for them either, just could not ever buy a Remington now or any other gun maker that does this BS..
+thesweatleaf safe to say you will be making a bad decision based on looking for accuracy per $ spent.
I love Remington but, I have noticed this big time. For me it is rare but, my Remington 700 has had problems with random discharge. After seeing this I will be buying that trigger. I almost shot my dog with this trigger. I got one of these when I was 14 and I wanted to buy one for my future children but, with this I think I'll go for something else unless a change is made.
Happened to me over the weekend at an indoor range. Spent the whole weekend concerned that my disicplines arent as good as i thought and it got to me a little. Till now
So I jus purchased another model 700 7mag is the trigger the same in the new ones??
I've had this same exact thing happen, when I switched the safety off
Did you have the gun pointed in a safe direction
The part I love the most about this "investigation" show is how they mention numerous times about alleged incidents involving fatalities blamed on a "faulty trigger" system yet they keep referring back to a video of the shooter wearing woodland camo having a hang fire. You can clearly watch him squeezer the trigger, pause, touch the bolt to open it, and it fires. This was not a mechanical safety malfunction nor a faulty trigger issue but instead a number of other issues like a bad primer or fouled powder. Never did they mention if he was using factory ammo, reloads, the age of the ammo, when the last time he cleaned his weapon or any other pertinent information regarding that incident. Just a simple, repeated video of a hang fire which has nothing to do with their actual "investigation". Media, gotta love it.
Southernkern Vet Good catch. I think you're probably right there. That error doesn't do anything to defend or absolve Remington though.
Southernkern Vet Well said, unfortunately hang fires are a "reasonable" problem, however there are other sources than csnbc that can verify the problem, given csbc are over-blowing the numbers for sure
duuuuuu, never point a gun at yourself or anything you don't want killed
I almost guarantee all of these rifles that fire accidentally have been adjusted to lighten trigger pull and have not been re locktited
I purchased one years ago and the first trip to the range, it fired without me even touching the rifle. Almost killed a friend of mine
There's an underlying psychological issue here that is about blame. Blame the gun, blame the company, blame God, but what is lacking is an individual taking responsibility for their careless firearms handling. The most unsafe and dangerous gun in the world can be rendered safe by proper firearms handling...don't put your faith in a machine working 100% perfect 100% of the time, that's just not how physics works.
What most people don't realize is that this isn't a design flaw with the rifle, it has a firing cycle that when the safety is pushed halfway forward, you can pull the trigger and nothing will happen, and you can put the safety back on.Then when you are ready to take the shot, you smoothly push the safety off and it will fire. This firing cycle results in a smoother and more accurate shot. People (who are hunting) are not typically paying attention to their rifle. Take it from me, I've been hunting for six years, and every time I lean my rifle against the corner of the ground blind so I am more aware of my surroundings. The trigger can be accidentally pulled, as most target or hunting triggers are 2-4 pounds, the trigger on my .243 Weatherby Vanguard is set at 1 pound, 10 ounces, which is lighter than most target rifles. This is so I can take accurate shots up and beyond 400 yards, within the size of a baseball. The trigger 'can' be pulled accidentally or purposely when the safety is on, which will result in the latter firing cycle. Ultimately if the rules of safety had never been broken, no one would have died or received serious injury. The way I have been taught is that when the rifle is handed to me I immediately point the muzzle to the ground, and open the bolt or action to see if its loaded, and throughout inspecting the rifle the action should be left open. And never point the rifle at anything you aren't willing to erase from earth.
I packed the Remington away in 2015. It jammed. Only way forward, was to release the safety catch. The gun went off. Trigger was not touched.
When I was younger, I saved up for months to get a 700 the day I turned 18. I want to thank the gun store employee I went into, who talked me out of the Remington due to the issues with the safety, in favor of a Winchester 70. This was many years ago before the internet, and I was unaware of the numerous issues. My brother in law was an LEO, and his department jokingly referred to the safety on a Remington 700 as an 'auxiliary trigger.' Their department sold off their Remingtons in favor of- guess what- Winchester 70s.
That "auxiliary trigger" phrase has been heard on the European side of the Atlantic.
This is why I prefer Weatherby
I've had the same thing happen to me with a Weatherby I took it apart seems the guy I got it from pull on the trigger with the safety on real hard a bunch of times and wore a dent into the trigger mechanism if you touch the trigger with the safety on very little pressure then put the safety on fire it would fire luckily I found this out before I loaded the rifle took it to a gunsmith told me I should change the trigger mechanism as it's made out of Molly a soft cast material metal just so you know
@@zachchurchill6709 That's just called poor maintenance and can happen to any firearm.
The only circumstance in which one can say that a gun killed someone.
wow a whole couple deaths out of +5,000,000 guns i'm more concerned by the fact that the gun wasn't pointed at the ground
4:48. What a stupid generalized comment.
Why was jays dad facing the gun in an unsafe direction
Are the newer variants of the 700’s safer now? I’m planning on buying one.
Redesigned the trigger (which was recalled for unintentional discharges) and agreed to fix literally millions of rifles. But yeah, it's totally safe. It was always totally safe...
they recalled all 700's last year so it must be true.
Remington recalled the X-Mark Pro (XMP) trigger, installed on Remington 700s from ~2006-present. This CNBC hit piece is about the older Walker trigger, installed on Remington 700s from inception until ~2006. Remington never acknowledged an issue with the Walker trigger, but they did acknowledge an issue with the XMP trigger.
to a degree in all fairness to remington thes users a used the gun imost of the cases do not take stupid u tube vedios too seriuos until you have seen remintongs ansaers you be amazed what some people did!!!
Thank you cnbc for exposing Remington. Very dishonest, deceitful and dishonorable. I will NEVER buy anything from this company and will inform my friends and family to do th same.
This does sound like a defective product, and should be corrected, but you still have to point the weapon in an unsafe direction. If you're pointing the rifle towards any part of yourself or anyone else, that's your biggest mistake.
Apparently, Remington has since fixed this problem. I bought a 700 BDL from a neighbor in the summer of 02 that does allow you to open the bolt with the safety on.
The video is a tad grainy so its difficult to tell, but the first talker holding the rifle in the woods looks like he has his finger either in the trigger guard or on the trigger. If you are going to make a editorial about firearms can you please at least have someone who knows how to safely manipulate a firearm.
I will say though that the overall report was well put together.
It would literally cost 5 cents to fix this problem per gun. Thousands of complaints and no change. Don't buy Remington guns.
I have a 700 ..270 no problems 10 + years....awesome rifle....
My hart and prayers are out to all
safe direction unloaded till ready to shoot...…………...