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Eduard Artemiev - Listen to Bach (The Earth)

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2017 ж. 2 Сәу.
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Eduard Artemiev - Listen to Bach (The Earth)
Rocord: Solaris, 1972
Eduard Artemiev Wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eduard_...
Solaris IMDB: www.imdb.com/title/tt0069293/
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  • In my opinion, this is the greatest use of classical music in any film

    @carsonwall2400@carsonwall24002 жыл бұрын

    • This is such a subjective statement, but I have to agree. It is not just the melody/harmony (not to mention hypnotically beautiful rhythm) of piece itself which makes me agree, more-so how it is incorporated into the narrative, how it captures the somber melancholy of memory and days past. It must be said that Artemiev's additions to Bach's original piece absolutely elevates it in my mind. It feels odd to say that Bach can be improved upon in any way, but I feel this arrangement by Artemiev absolutely supersedes the original. The rining bells, the building strings in the back, they compliment the underlying choral notes so so so well, and truly capture a free-floating, fantastical science-fiction tone which I would want to feel in a sci-fi movie.

      @milestiller665@milestiller6652 жыл бұрын

    • Agree. It plumbs the depths and scales the heights and suspends time. Eternity in an art form whose chief characteristic is duration. Paradox. Great art can do the impossible.

      @selwynr@selwynr2 жыл бұрын

    • Could someone let me know which original Bachs’ work is this from?

      @6_feet_underground@6_feet_underground Жыл бұрын

    • I think that the best use of classical music is 2001: A Space Odyssey, those long shoots with the music are just amazing

      @charlyislove6035@charlyislove6035 Жыл бұрын

    • "In my opinion"... The age of self luxuries

      @miguelfreitas8694@miguelfreitas8694 Жыл бұрын

  • One genius from XX century plays music of another genius from XVIII century, all are blessed who listen to that.

    @syberlynx8588@syberlynx85889 ай бұрын

  • RIP, Maestro Artemiev

    @childrenofminervaofficial4316@childrenofminervaofficial4316 Жыл бұрын

  • Millions of miles in space, looking for the answer, only to find ourselves and our human weakness reflected in a mirror.

    @asad2918@asad29182 жыл бұрын

    • The answer he needed! No scientific discoveries just a journey within!

      @nickn8302@nickn83022 жыл бұрын

    • 🫶👍

      @Shaun-dr1mg@Shaun-dr1mg6 ай бұрын

    • "Man doesn't need other worlds. Man needs a mirror. Man... needs man." - Dr. Snaut

      @DelFlo@DelFlo3 ай бұрын

    • 💯

      @Viktor-mz9ii@Viktor-mz9ii2 ай бұрын

  • This song is playing when he "returns" home and suddenly stops when dog comes and greets him. Amazing!

    @kokoro2426@kokoro24263 жыл бұрын

    • The Prodigal son...

      @ryobibattery@ryobibattery10 ай бұрын

  • Eduard Artemiev and Andréi Tarkovski, a rich combination of wit and poetry, music and spirit. Tarvovksi had a unique talent in sculpting time and feelings in each of his fims. Simply a precious piece.

    @MrOswald@MrOswald3 жыл бұрын

    • Tarkovsky's art is still an exceeded summit not only for movie but for all art fields...

      @metafor2796@metafor27963 жыл бұрын

    • @@metafor2796 I would even go as far as to put him next to other almost holy artists like da Vinci or Bach.

      @tamerov2387@tamerov23873 жыл бұрын

    • @@tamerov2387 I agree with this claim...

      @metafor2796@metafor27963 жыл бұрын

    • @@tamerov2387 He certainly represents the peak and an ideal within his field. I didn't think about comparing them before but I'm inclined to agree.

      @Gerguzalbutzelnikoskech@Gerguzalbutzelnikoskech Жыл бұрын

    • А я думал на западе не понимают русскую душу

      @user_52782@user_5278211 ай бұрын

  • No matter how much we try ,our dream just tells us our own perception of them. But in reality they may be completely different. In dream we just want them to be just as ideal. Don't let this inner perception of them consume you. It will only break you . This film really changed my perception of love.

    @rishichandra6833@rishichandra68332 ай бұрын

  • Adamlar uzaya bile felsefik bakmışlar. Müziğin kullanımı inanılmaz. Rüya gibi film.

    @cirizalid@cirizalid Жыл бұрын

  • Die Harmonie der Musik und der Bühne war wirklich großartig. Es ist wirklich erstaunlich, dass er Menschen dieses Gefühl vermitteln kann. Tarkovski ist ein außergewöhnlicher Filmemacher.

    @doomscneider@doomscneider2 жыл бұрын

  • I just listen to it again and again and again...

    @SALCHEE1@SALCHEE1 Жыл бұрын

  • My absolute favourite film and novel, ever. Wonderfully evocative soundtrack.

    @Ambienfinity@Ambienfinity Жыл бұрын

  • One of my favorite Andrei Tarkovsky’s masterpieces, which is one of the most unique movies of all time

    @SugarK@SugarK4 жыл бұрын

    • Literally a masterpiece...

      @metafor2796@metafor27964 жыл бұрын

    • I agree

      @osvaldogomez9580@osvaldogomez95803 жыл бұрын

    • MetafoR I personally believe it is more than a film, it is a way of life, a religion. I imagine traveling East of Irkutsk on the Trans Siberian or the BAM and entering into an agrarian society in which I like Kris Kelvin burn the remnants of the past. #Соларис

      @Mrbrbusby@Mrbrbusby3 жыл бұрын

    • Why is it unique? Why is it a masterpiece?

      @saxglend9439@saxglend94393 жыл бұрын

    • @@saxglend9439 Does that even need explanation?

      @districtpictures9423@districtpictures94233 жыл бұрын

  • Melody that I want my family to play at my funeral.

    @user-zt2qu2ju2e@user-zt2qu2ju2e3 жыл бұрын

    • I wish you a long and healthy life...

      @metafor2796@metafor27963 жыл бұрын

    • “Erbarme dich“ bei mir

      @olgaerler4111@olgaerler41112 жыл бұрын

    • Same here bro

      @alejandrobarrero4552@alejandrobarrero45522 жыл бұрын

  • Шедевр... Музыка сама как космос

    @user-wi7bb3tq3i@user-wi7bb3tq3i Жыл бұрын

  • Rest in peace, maestro!

    @MultiEvil85@MultiEvil85 Жыл бұрын

  • Исполнение музыки двумя Гениями одновременно великолепность 👍👍👍😇😃😆

    @user-kg1bw4wf1c@user-kg1bw4wf1c Жыл бұрын

  • The Solaris is last movie with my ex bf at cinema so this awesome soundtrack always cry me 💔

    @ozge4703@ozge47033 жыл бұрын

    • burada da mı kezbanlık abi yetmez mi artık

      @potemkin8606@potemkin86063 жыл бұрын

    • I could be your new friend and we could watch Tarkovsky happily together and enjoy their beauty to the fullest

      @aniplug3600@aniplug36002 жыл бұрын

    • @@aniplug3600 edursi

      @eminaliyev4953@eminaliyev49532 жыл бұрын

    • Bach'ın altında kezbanlik yaymak. Neyse

      @jerftecimer9690@jerftecimer96902 жыл бұрын

    • @@aniplug3600 Don't turn a scientific problem into a common love story.

      @exoplanet11@exoplanet11 Жыл бұрын

  • Haven't seen the movie, this just popped up in my recommended. I have seen STALKER and do intend to watch this soon, but man, what a somber piece. Masterful.

    @karhu7581@karhu75813 ай бұрын

  • Such a somber piece, beautifully woven into an incredible film.

    @kasteman1@kasteman13 жыл бұрын

  • Спасибо большое, кажется никто не сказал, что это музыка Э. Артемьева на основе музыки Баха. Он её дополнил в верхнем и нижнем регистре ... и получилось потрясающе. И в Сталкере тоже.

    @aleAl-ye2jg@aleAl-ye2jg Жыл бұрын

    • Вообще-то это музыка Баха, но Бах , думаю, повалил бы Артём Ева за такое прочтение. Удивительно уважительная интерпретация. Редко такое встретишь

      @vitalygubin1148@vitalygubin1148 Жыл бұрын

    • @@vitalygubin1148 уважаемый Виталий, исправьте пожалуйста, я с трудом понял ваш текст. редактор... основа, да Бах. Но это и другая музыка -- другое впечатление. Не настаиваю.

      @aleAl-ye2jg@aleAl-ye2jg Жыл бұрын

    • Ну конечно "поХвалил"

      @vitalygubin1148@vitalygubin1148 Жыл бұрын

    • @@aleAl-ye2jg конечно "поХвалил"

      @vitalygubin1148@vitalygubin1148 Жыл бұрын

  • Saw this for the first time yesterday. Beautiful score.

    @nickn8302@nickn83023 жыл бұрын

    • Watch the Movie.

      @behelit1288@behelit12883 жыл бұрын

    • @@behelit1288 He said he saw it

      @faustustuus3747@faustustuus37472 жыл бұрын

  • Tarkovsky es un genio tal como lo era Bach en su tiempo.

    @gabrielibarra7281@gabrielibarra72813 жыл бұрын

  • Masterpiece in a masterpiece

    @danmartinazzi@danmartinazzi Жыл бұрын

  • This song also played on a film Nymphomaniac vol 1 dir.Lars Von Trier

    @muhammadomar2343@muhammadomar23432 жыл бұрын

  • Впервые слышу. Спасибо.🥰

    @user-pp2vj7hy1e@user-pp2vj7hy1e3 жыл бұрын

    • You're welcome...

      @metafor2796@metafor27963 жыл бұрын

    • ?

      @olgaerler4111@olgaerler41112 жыл бұрын

  • Блин так плакать хочется,это победная музыка !!

    @stas8119@stas8119 Жыл бұрын

  • В КАКОЙ БЫ ИНТЕРПРИТАЦИИ НЕ ЗВУЧАЛА БЫ МУЗЫКА БАХА ВСЕ РАВНО ЭТО ВЕЧНОСТЬ ВОЗВЫШЕННОСТЬ И ВЕЛИКОЛЕПИЕ. Я СЛУШАЛА ЭТУ ПРЕЛЮДИЮ В ИСПОЛЕНИИ ОРГАНА ФА-НО И ГИТАРЫ И ПРОСТО А КАПЕЛЬНО И ВСЕ РАВНО МЕЛОДИЯ ВОСХИЩАЕТ . БАХ БУДЕТ ТАК ЖЕ СИЛЕН И В 35 ИЛИ 89 ВЕКАХ ЕСЛИ КОНЕЧНО ЧЕЛОВЕЧЕСТВО ДОЖИВЕТ ДО ЭТИХ ВЕКОВ.

    @user-uh1ln4hu4m@user-uh1ln4hu4m4 жыл бұрын

    • Bach perfectly describes an existential melancholy beyond the boundaries separating countries. A time-independent beauty...

      @metafor2796@metafor27964 жыл бұрын

    • В начале идёт как раз орган Баха, потом уже оптический синтезатор АНС Артемьева

      @Pohervant@Pohervant4 жыл бұрын

    • @@Pohervant Это вариации Артемьева на вариации Баха на тему хорала в прелюдии Баха.)))

      @user-be3rt7ky1d@user-be3rt7ky1d4 жыл бұрын

    • Не доживет. 17.3.22

      @olgaerler4111@olgaerler41112 жыл бұрын

    • @@metafor2796 музыка интернациональна... Особенно музыка сфер

      @user-wi7bb3tq3i@user-wi7bb3tq3i Жыл бұрын

  • With the film industry in shambles these days, now, more than ever, we need visionaries like Tarkovsky........

    @vickdisco@vickdisco2 жыл бұрын

    • Таких больше не будет, кругом расчёт, фальшь и потребление

      @user_52782@user_527822 жыл бұрын

    • @@user_52782 У искусства есть способ делать круглые вещи, которые считаются навязчивыми для старых, но новаторскими для новых.

      @thataustriantrain7466@thataustriantrain7466 Жыл бұрын

    • Tarkovsky was a true one-off and not only will there never be another like him, the film industry no longer nurtures artists like him anywhere.

      @childrenofminervaofficial4316@childrenofminervaofficial4316 Жыл бұрын

    • @@childrenofminervaofficial4316 So very true.....

      @vickdisco@vickdisco Жыл бұрын

  • Dos talentos en una gran combinación. Tarkovsky eterno por todo los siglos

    @eduardolacoste8302@eduardolacoste83023 жыл бұрын

    • Es increible lo poco valorado que es este film

      @Fausto-on4jt@Fausto-on4jt3 жыл бұрын

  • Is the scene of Gibarian about to drink milk on film so important to the movie that it becomes the soundtrack cover art? The title when listed this way with the letter A raised above the rest of the letters, becomes the Latin sentence Sol-A-Ris, 'The sun is laughing'

    @williamnajera1173@williamnajera1173 Жыл бұрын

    • Drinking milk should be the only thing allowed to show on film!^^

      @jarnokorhonen3840@jarnokorhonen38405 ай бұрын

  • ich habe den Film das erste mal mit 12 gesehen.....heute bin ich 57 Jahre alt und die Faszination ist ungebrochen. Ich habe eben das erste mal die russische Fassung geschaut....den Text kannte ich ja....smile... Nebenbei...die Clooney Adaption ist nicht schlecht....

    @hackezieher@hackezieher3 жыл бұрын

    • Thanks for comment Guido Stodt...

      @metafor2796@metafor27963 жыл бұрын

    • Erstaunlich, ich bin heute auch 57 Jahre alt und habe den Film zum ersten Mal gesehen, als ich noch ein junger Mann war. Bis heute liebe ich diesen Film, ein Meisterwerk. Grüße aus Brasilien.

      @esromcupti@esromcupti2 жыл бұрын

    • nicht schlecht genau, die adaption ist schrecklich im vergleich zu original

      @KomissarLohmann@KomissarLohmann2 жыл бұрын

    • Ich auch mit 12.

      @olgaerler4111@olgaerler41112 жыл бұрын

  • браво маэстро

    @user-zn2ng9mc3j@user-zn2ng9mc3j Жыл бұрын

  • very relaxing

    @lauraeiriarte@lauraeiriarte6 жыл бұрын

    • Thanks for comment Laura, it's a master job...

      @metafor2796@metafor27966 жыл бұрын

    • quite the opposite, to me

      @EatmeReadme@EatmeReadme4 жыл бұрын

    • @@EatmeReadme I can't even define what feelings come out of me when I hear that. It's meditative ... but somehow ... hmm ... sorry, I'm not able to put it into words.

      @tamerov2387@tamerov23873 жыл бұрын

    • @@tamerov2387 exactly, I can't put it in words, it's beyond.....

      @thatahamoment497@thatahamoment4973 жыл бұрын

  • brilliance

    @LauraLeonTolstoy@LauraLeonTolstoy4 жыл бұрын

  • ❤🙏

    @vazhakentchadze3109@vazhakentchadze31095 ай бұрын

  • Расширяет до бесконечности . адвайта ... суть бытия

    @user-wu9ys8cc7s@user-wu9ys8cc7s8 ай бұрын

  • Pero que wena peli ameo

    @TobalencioSmithsens@TobalencioSmithsens3 жыл бұрын

  • One of my secret music box!!!!

    @jazminrociobaravalle7193@jazminrociobaravalle71934 жыл бұрын

    • Thanks for comment Jazmin :)

      @metafor2796@metafor27964 жыл бұрын

    • Outstanding film with such moving message. Unforgetable soundtrack. Thanks for share it.

      @jazminrociobaravalle7193@jazminrociobaravalle71934 жыл бұрын

    • @@jazminrociobaravalle7193 U're welcome...

      @metafor2796@metafor27964 жыл бұрын

  • metafisica , esoterica... life...

    @metafizikvekuantum@metafizikvekuantum28 күн бұрын

  • 🙏🙏🙏

    @user-sz6tt4tf2x@user-sz6tt4tf2x Жыл бұрын

  • Не будет больше таких как Тарковский

    @user_52782@user_5278210 ай бұрын

  • Just wonder who them dislikes are, like real people, tell me who and why

    @alexskitsky579@alexskitsky5793 жыл бұрын

    • They can't be human and not like this organ peace of Bach.They are monkees with a TV brain and a mask on face...Sorry for them..

      @Siberiaeterna@Siberiaeterna3 жыл бұрын

    • @@Siberiaeterna feel sorry too

      @alexskitsky579@alexskitsky5793 жыл бұрын

  • Gençliğimi boşa harcadıktan sonra dinlemelik.

    @hakan4676@hakan4676 Жыл бұрын

  • i look up to a being in hope for him to hear my whispers of thanks

    @iamzimz14@iamzimz14 Жыл бұрын

  • хорошо

    @evgenytrezubov342@evgenytrezubov342 Жыл бұрын

  • If anyone knows where I can download this in HD audio please let me know, torrent or paid is fine

    @adia3661@adia366110 ай бұрын

  • Do you know what the original bach's piece called?

    @mohamedhatem2742@mohamedhatem27424 жыл бұрын

    • It's Bach's Choral Prelude No.5, "Ich ruf zu dir Herr Jesu Christ", BWV 639 (transcribed by Feruccio Busoni). This version by Edvard Artemiev for Tarkovsky's Solyaris is just sublime.

      @GrindrProzac@GrindrProzac4 жыл бұрын

    • @@GrindrProzac I've been listening to different versions, and the one I love best is Artemiev's

      @roxykattx@roxykattx4 жыл бұрын

    • @@GrindrProzac This is not Busoni's transcription or Artemiev's version, it's Bach's original organ score until 2:41. It's played by Gari Grodberg IIRC. Busoni's transcription is for the piano.

      @JanPBtest@JanPBtest4 жыл бұрын

    • @@GrindrProzac Ferruccio Busoni transcribed the Bach"s organworks for piano. This choralprelude BWV639 is extracted from orgelbuchlein. It is a prelude composed on lutheran chorale from Joseph Klug 1533 singer melody. I suggest to looking for the organ related work and not the "arranged" version for a correct judgment of these Bach's masterpieces. Only for recognize the Bach genius.

      @vittoriobacchiega9118@vittoriobacchiega91184 жыл бұрын

    • @@roxykattx I think the instrument plays a crucial role in this

      @aloknathsingh4647@aloknathsingh46474 жыл бұрын

  • çok iyi

    @mucahitae@mucahitae2 жыл бұрын

  • Andata - async - ryuichi sakamoto

    @thethinkingroom4532@thethinkingroom45322 жыл бұрын

    • Yeah that piece always reminds me of Bach

      @Ihadtosettleforthis@Ihadtosettleforthis Жыл бұрын

  • Ultrakill

    @Whaijorhujishkomunyk@WhaijorhujishkomunykКүн бұрын

  • "Где Гибарян?"

    @user-yy8jd1vz5l@user-yy8jd1vz5l4 жыл бұрын

    • _"Гибарян умер не от страха. Он умер от стыда."_

      @Vault130@Vault1303 жыл бұрын

    • @@Vault130 "Знай, это не безумие. Здесь скорее что-то с совестью"

      @user-yy8jd1vz5l@user-yy8jd1vz5l3 жыл бұрын

  • I am confused. Is the main theme composed by edward or was that already existing made by Bach.

    @tonyjoseph5197@tonyjoseph51974 жыл бұрын

    • Eduard's work, but inspired by Bach ...

      @metafor2796@metafor27964 жыл бұрын

    • Original from Bach. Ich ruf zu dir, Herr Jesu Christ. BWV 639

      @rcspv@rcspv4 жыл бұрын

    • Thank you for the help.

      @tonyjoseph5197@tonyjoseph51974 жыл бұрын

    • To be more precise: Most of it, actually the whole "fundament" equals the organ part, is Bach's work. Artemiev added some sound effects and a beautiful additional voice that (at least to me) intensifies the already haunting character of the piece. The additional voice can clearly be heard starting from 3:15 (some kind of chimes as it seems to me).

      @DaniloInderWildi@DaniloInderWildi4 жыл бұрын

    • @@DaniloInderWildi In other words, Bach took a coral's theme and made a variation on it in his prelude. Artemiev took Bach's work and made a variation on Bach's prelude.

      @user-be3rt7ky1d@user-be3rt7ky1d4 жыл бұрын

  • Интересно, если бы Бах услышал свою музыку в интерпретации Артемьева, что бы он ему сказал?

    @user-lf2lw3vr4v@user-lf2lw3vr4v Жыл бұрын

    • Меня тоже всегда волнует этот вопрос

      @GenySh-zv2th@GenySh-zv2th7 ай бұрын

  • Norilsk come back!

    @user-ng4vx8de9g@user-ng4vx8de9g3 жыл бұрын

  • what is name of this song? i will thankful if anyone answer

    @user-qn6sq1nn3q@user-qn6sq1nn3q5 ай бұрын

  • Deficiency will be dominant where esthetic doesn't exist? Where is that from?

    @medasupreme1234@medasupreme12342 ай бұрын

  • Which release of the soundtrack is this copied from?

    @erkembode@erkembode6 жыл бұрын

    • This record has not been released to the market. An error conclusion was in the title of the soundtrack. I changed that. Thank you for the question.

      @metafor2796@metafor27966 жыл бұрын

    • @@metafor2796 www.discogs.com/es/%D0%AD%D0%B4%D1%83%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B4-%D0%90%D1%80%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BC%D1%8C%D0%B5%D0%B2-Andrey-Tarkovsky-Vol-3-Solaris-%E6%83%91%E6%98%9F%E3%82%BD%E3%83%A9%E3%83%AA%E3%82%B9/master/315530

      @juan34466@juan344664 жыл бұрын

  • Natalia Tarnovsky!!!!🏃‍♀️💃💃👱‍♂️👱‍♀️👱‍♀️👱‍♀️👱‍♀️🙋‍♀️🙋‍♂️☻☻☻

    @nataliatarnovsky6997@nataliatarnovsky69974 жыл бұрын

  • Resurgam!

    @richardsilver7206@richardsilver7206 Жыл бұрын

  • Beautiful images and soundscape. Beautiful concept (at first), that there are radically different and powerful forms of life, perhaps intelligent, waiting for us out in the cosmos. However, Soviet Communism (to say nothing of Lem's Polish culture) was not a disciplined progressive party, and had many inherited ideological problems, cultural artefacts from Narodism and Orthodoxy/feudalism, that predisposed the intelligentsia and proletariat to re-feudalization and nihilist stagnancy, and no filmmaker on Earth was more of a paradigm of this utopian luddite mindset than Andrei Tarkovsky. His least nihilistic film was Andrei Rublev, yet even then he primarily sought to induce the audience to tears at the end by showing even a great artistic achievement to be curtailed by transience and mortality without much universal purpose. We get a striving in the mud, and much doubt. In Solaris, however, we have the fullest expression of reactionary peasant nature-worship and its backward impulse to agrarian re-feudalization and religious thinking: that nature is impenetrable and knowledge is vain, that all scientific endeavors are a lost cause, that humanity is 'a problem' and never the solution. In other words, Solaris is about defeat and looking inward for outward answers. Well, the future should be about success, and there is nothing inward besides ancient childish nightmares and excuses for laziness and cowardice. What matters are all the outward positive things we work hard to construct for each other -- progress. Solaris is the quintessential anti-Americanist film. It's the distilled opposite of the pioneer spirit and colonialism, of westerns and Star Trek, of the cosmopolitan entrepreneurial and mercantile organizations that have uplifted our species out of ignorance and stagnation in such a short period of time, for the first time -- i.e. western modernity. Solaris isn't science fiction about a future worth making, because as the peasant believes religiously, there are only endless cycles without direction for us, and anything else is in God's hands. Let the princes rule! Don't revolt! Don't build, don't change! It is the ideology of self-imposed stagnation and submission to oppression. It is the desiccated culture of the Old World summarized in 2 hours and 47 minutes. It's about a suicidal sour grapes attitude instead of optimism. The peasantry is not a progressive class, and it knows it, so it stubbornly resents and will always react against technological efforts to improve life. Yeah, Solaris is quite the tour de force of depressive, defective, ideology. The only redeeming moment is when Kelvin chooses not to return to Earth, but to step into the unknown, but Tarkovsky even takes that away from the audience by showing a sad man marooned on a world with aliens that cannot fully empathize or communicate with him, accidentally torturing him with his fear of mortality by showing him his elderly father. What pain, yet not at all cathartic. Quite the opposite; it's like turning up a pressure cooker of negative emotions. I'm not sure if Solaris was banned in the Soviet Union, but the free market 'banned' it in America automatically, so hostile is its spirit to everything Americans rightly regard as good and healthy. What a hideous, retrogressive masterpiece of psychological sadism. I love it. But not as much as Andrei Rublev.

    @johannpopper1493@johannpopper14932 жыл бұрын

    • We have taken different things from the same book, after reading those same pages, yet it's the fact you gave so much to think on, I really do have to thank you.

      @83j049733rfe4@83j049733rfe42 жыл бұрын

    • I do not remotely understand the sentiments you're expressing in relation to Tarkovsky's Solaris (I haven't read Lem's novel so I can't comment on that). I understand the historical line you trace to justify your reading of Solaris' themes, but the conclusions you draw from the material presented in the film are overblown. Admittedly, in both Solaris, Stalker, and other films, Tarkovsky expressed a markedly anti-futurist sentiment. He is hopelessly humanist, Romantic, caught in the beauty of nature and simple times, childhood, dogs, etc. We all know this. He was a philosopher, his dad was a poet. Keep in mind the reaction of a film like this to the hyper-progressive sentiment which would have pervaded his upbringing. Think of the vestiges of the Russian Futurists, the space race, the premature push for technological and societal development in Soviet Russia. Gone are the days of Dovzhenko's Urga and other peasant idealizing Soviet films. I don't think Solaris is nearly so dogmatic as to reflect an inherently anti-progress or anti-exploration ideology. In fact, the film belies the necessity of ideology in the face of utterly unavoidable human desires for comfort, safety, meaning-finding, connection. Tarkovsky doesn't present these "grounding" aspects of the human condition as ideals to strive towards, but unfortunate conditions of the existence of empathic creatures. Tarkovsky's depiction of the finitude of scientific endeavors feels, to me at least, not so much a movement in any other explicit ideological direction, but a step back from the senseless onward push of humanity, the moore's law of society. His concerns are much more about uncovering hyper-specific emotional scenarios and unearthing character histories than they are about deconstructing ideologies of progress. Even if you take it that these are unconscious elements in Solaris, I don't quite see it. Solaris' set decoration is hopelessly aestheticized, streamlined and styled in such a popular 2001-adjacent, soviet architecture. Even though the station is in disrepair, Tarkovsky never holds back a feast for the eyes, he never strays from the inherent spectacle of space exploration. In my eyes, all of Solaris' push to demonstrate the inability to understand other beings, the necessity of connection, the beauty of the earth and nature, is not so much an anti-exploration sentiment but an acknowledgement and acceptance of the irrevocable characteristics of being human which tie us to where we come from and determine how we move forward. Traits, habits, quirks, desires we can never shed, no matter how far we peer over the horizon. Does this mean that space exploration is, itself, futile? It doesn't seem so from Tarkovsky's view, considering the situation on Solaris progresses toward a definite new understanding between the human characters and the Solaris animas. Your comment is very well-written I will say. If I am missing something please do tell.

      @milestiller665@milestiller6652 жыл бұрын

    • @@milestiller665 Well, thanks for the reply, Miles. You said you didn't understand my sentiments, but then you went on to explain them better than I did in my opinion. It's only a matter of degree that I regard Tarkovsky's traditional rural attitudes in poetic form to be essentially proselytized by the Solaris film, which I do consider to be socially harmful and retrogressive from a historical point of view. In short, I don't believe it is possible to move or change or develop and adopt new technologies too quickly, so numerous are the natural causes of severe human suffering that presently obtain, and I attribute all delay as a direct result of class impositions. There is a concerted effort among the poets who glorify the peasantry (without working as peasants themselves) to model a supposed need for God (self-image, or natural order) as a social method for reducing the value of innovation, even to instill psychological guilt in the innovator or supporter thereof. This technique preserves the technological limitations that necessitate the continuation of a concentration of capital to maintain some kind of class dominance -- i.e. ability inequality. This attitude manifests as nature worship, or scientific-technological denigration, in art. Static knowledge instead of revolutionary praxis. From a science fiction point of view, I felt Tarkovsky wanted me -- the audience -- to feel sadness about progress, that it is vain, that failing to find our reflections (that mirror) out in the cosmos, we ought to believe we ought never to have left the traditional safety of our serf comforts on the imperial estates of our terrestrial lords. In my view, humans aren't looking for a mirror at all. We are making them. Our function is to build happiness, not stumble upon its premade causes. We're not looking for God. Healthy-minded people, in fact, build paradise everywhere possible out of chaotic circumstances. Human beings are reshapers of nature, and success in that respect alone is what makes us happy. Those who don't understand these preconditions of thriving must explain it to themselves superstitiously. They always want to passively go back to paradise, never forward to paradise, which would require great effort. An Americanized capitalist version of Solaris would've been about exactly as you described -- Kelvin optimistically makes contact with the planetary intelligence and begins a processes of productive understanding. It would, therefore, presuppose that if a truly alien entity is not quite a mirror at first, we could still transform it into one, and make it of use to our species without qualms. In other words, how can we make use of the Solaris entity's ability to manifest replicants and entire worlds out of particles and memories? How can we make use of their telepathic method of understanding our minds? For the futurist, what we can learn and invent based on any novel experience makes us curious and happy in a context of rational serenity; for the Tarkovsky-type of humanist, novelty is but an opportunity to reflect upon the myriad ways we have diverged from God's traditional ways, which is scary and torturous and should make us feel nostalgic and ashamed, because what is traditional and natural is the only correct way to live, etc, etc.

      @johannpopper1493@johannpopper14932 жыл бұрын

    • Америка давно пережила свой яд! Крестьяне, регрессивны? А разве не крестьяне в СССР первыми полетели в космос, совершили прорыв в будущее, посредством совершения революции? США - это культ торгашества, культ докрестьянского отношения с природой, культ зверя-хищника, культ зародыша человека, крестьянин-первая ступень превращения из зверя, в человека... Как Солярис-зародыш Бога, так американский, регрессивный культ,культ предтечи человека, крестьянина...

      @user-wi7bb3tq3i@user-wi7bb3tq3i Жыл бұрын

    • Иоганн, ты просто дуракккк!

      @gennadyzarubin1508@gennadyzarubin150811 ай бұрын

  • dünya tarkovsky i anlamaya hazır değil

    @omercelikkeser@omercelikkeser Жыл бұрын

    • Надо постараться и поймёшь.

      @ivanmoisak9597@ivanmoisak9597 Жыл бұрын

    • Kuantum fiziğini bile anlayamadılar hala.

      @abdullahaktas1406@abdullahaktas1406 Жыл бұрын

    • Denedim ve artık anlıyorum

      @omercelikkeser@omercelikkeser3 ай бұрын

  • Qulaq dinci, deyə bir şey var...

    @gazanfar_musabayov@gazanfar_musabayov2 жыл бұрын

  • Сочинил это и заставку бесогона-гений

    @Kulakiller@Kulakiller Жыл бұрын

  • I had no idea there was a movie called Solaris. I just found out a couple of weeks ago. Now I know why I got the name Solaris, I am walking in the footsteps of Jesus 😇🙏 2618 thumbs up is Phi² and 135comments is the mirror value to 531, that is an acronym for Jesus fish 153, sum the values you get 135+531=666. JESUS - 45 666

    @solarisnatuson7928@solarisnatuson7928 Жыл бұрын

    • 666 is the devil's mark. Check the back of your head for mark of devil. You have my Omen (1975) :)

      @arnavverma4507@arnavverma4507 Жыл бұрын

  • Русские - лучшие композиторы, потому что у них есть душа. В отличие от бездушных, математических композиторов на Западе.

    @Claude_van_Kloten@Claude_van_Kloten7 ай бұрын

    • Какая-то душа (возможно) у Вас есть. А вот *разума* нет точно. Когда J.-S.Bach (здесь играет: BWV639 / «Ich ruf’ zu dir, Herr Jesu Christ») стал русским композитором??

      @IGRIGVdo@IGRIGVdo7 ай бұрын

    • Это какая-то глупость.Неможно так говорить.

      @GenySh-zv2th@GenySh-zv2th6 ай бұрын

    • Это тупой тролль. Не обращайте на него внимание.

      @user-nu5sd8be8e@user-nu5sd8be8e5 ай бұрын

    • @@user-nu5sd8be8e Вряд-ли. На такое способна только исконная природная тупость естественного происхождения.

      @IGRIGVdo@IGRIGVdo5 ай бұрын

  • хорошо

    @evgenytrezubov342@evgenytrezubov342 Жыл бұрын
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